View Full Version : Did George Do It On Purpose?
Ferarri pit droid
08-19-2002, 11:13 AM
I find it very irritating to watch both anakins in EP 1 and 2. They are anoying, whining and spoiled brats (Although he used to be a slave) My question, did GL intended this or are we just looking at poor acting performance.
Any comments? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif
Jedi Master Shaft
08-19-2002, 11:28 AM
I personally don't think they are irritating but it's in Anakin Skywalker's character to whin all the time.
This is everything but poor acting performances. Really. Hayden Christensen is great and Jake Lloyd, well, he was eight.
So to answer to your question, yes, George Lucas did this on purpose.
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Ferarri pit droid
08-19-2002, 11:30 AM
Strange that Lord Vader never whines?! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif
Blizzard
08-19-2002, 11:37 AM
He doesn't have to whine anymore, he always gets his way!
Wild_Huntress
08-19-2002, 01:18 PM
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif :lol: :lol: Ha ha! Right Blizzard! No I think it's supposed to be like this. After all whininess seems to run in the Skywalker family. (Luke: My father has it...... I have it........) And in Ep. 2, we're supposed to see Anakin as a discontented, troubled not to mention irritating young man. Gah, can't stand him. But that's just me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif :saber:
Javen
08-19-2002, 06:10 PM
Jake Lloyd bad acting,Hayden not bad was better than his cahracter in TPM though
JediBendu
08-19-2002, 06:51 PM
There's nothing wrong with Jake Loyd's acting - it's just the 'yippie' parts of the dialogue that ruin it.
Hayden's done a great job. He's going to be pumped for ep3!
I think he did do it on purpose. Anakins supposed to be annoying so we don't like him.
uh, Jake Lloyd is bad. He has little to no facial expressions. when the UT comes out, let's see it George can digitally replace him with another actor with more talent.
Hayden isn't a bad actor. Life as a House is proof he can truly act. his performance was more around the fact that he can be angry really good. And I'm an actor so i know it's hard to act angry without cracking a smile. Especially when it's Natalie Portman you are yelling at. He will be great in the next movie.
Justin
08-19-2002, 09:49 PM
Too bad Attack of the Clones isn't proof that Hayden Christensen can act. And Jake Lloyd did fine, he used the correct facial expressions and had the right intonations in his voice for the lines he was saying.
Hayden Christensen's face would go from super emotional to completely blank everytime he said something "emotional."
Now one thing, Mann...if it's hard for you not to crack a smile when you're acting angry then you aren't a very good actor lol.
I played angry a few times in drama class and some plays I was in, and I never thought it was funny.
Don't worry you can get better though, just focus on what your lines mean and pretend that you're actually feeling the emotions you're trying to project.
Tovor
08-19-2002, 10:42 PM
Strange that Lord Vader never whines?!
Vader doesn't whine...he wheezes.
Justin
08-19-2002, 10:51 PM
lol
Blizzard
08-20-2002, 03:06 AM
LOL Tov.
Angel Starmaster
08-20-2002, 03:49 AM
Well, as both an amatur actor and novelist, I believe that both Jake Loyd and Hayden did what they were required to do according to the script. An Actor can only be as good as his director after all.
I think Natalie is a prime example of that. We all know she's a much more capable actor, and I think it's possible she may have been directed to act in a fairly neutral manner, to make her seem more diplomatic, and political. A constant neutral face, so to speak, but the director failed to bring out her emotions in the required scenes. Thus she comes across to us as being a flat character.
Jake and Hayden were directed to act as spoiled, whiney, annoying brats. They don't want the viewer growing close to him. I think they want us to not like him enough to keep him from become the dominating story. Everyone already knows Anakin becomes an antagonist in the final films. Thus, we're drawn more to see the struggle Obi-wan faces in trying to prevent his fall.
I think the final film will show us either the finale to a true epic, or turn the prequals into a waste of time and money for the cast, crew and the fans as well.
And they have the talent, funding, and fanbase, so the greatness of the final film will rest, in my opinion,....solely on the director. Personally, I hope Big George is listening.
Clara
08-20-2002, 08:58 AM
Here, here. Besides, Hayden is cute. When one is too busy drooling, who cares about the acting!!! :love: :roll: :p :devil:
maddog62
08-20-2002, 09:11 AM
The whining is purposly. They have to show that Anikin has no patients.
cockneyjedi
08-20-2002, 04:15 PM
i think natalie portman is good. I think her character is not supposed to be too emotional, i mean when was the last time you saw the queen of england get emotional, or the prime minister?
jake and hayden arent bad either. How many 8 year old kids do you know who can act like that? Its the script that makes them seem not that good.
Angel Starmaster
08-20-2002, 04:52 PM
Let's put it this way...who would you rather have seen play Anakin in TPM? Perhaps that Hayly Joe Osmett kid or whatever his name is from "Sixth Sense" and "AI"? Or perhaps The kid from "Malcom in the Middle" & "My Dog Skip?"
If I had to choose the Anakin for AotC I would have gone with the fellow from "First Knight" rather than Hayden. I'm not really sure about his name though....
First Knight? Who, Richard Gere? the dude's like 50 years old!
Anyway, Natalie is great in her earlier films. she's also got more interesting parts coming later. Watch the Proffessional, she was 12 years old and she was so good it was creepy.
Padem is a character who has to be devoid of emotions except in a political issue. I liked her in TPM because she could dawn the deep voice and act regal. In AotC we don't see that, so we are less thrilled.
Oh btw, Jake is reallly bad with emotions. if you see his face in the Podracer scene, it never changes. he acts like nothing happens. that's why he got the Razzie nomination for worst supporting actor. That's why he's done nothing since the last movie.
Hayden's acting ability hasn't shown his range yet. give him time. I think he's good at being a mad person, he'll be a good pre-Vader.
Angel Starmaster
08-21-2002, 01:08 AM
ARRRGGGHH!!!
Not "First Knight." Nonononoononoooooo... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif
I meant "A Knight's Tale."
That's embarassing. I can't beleive I did that.
I'll shut up now. *:dunce:
cockneyjedi
08-21-2002, 11:51 AM
you mean Heath ledger from 'a knights tale'. I think he'd be a rubbish anakin. I like Hayden much more. but maybe you're right about Jake lloyd he was cute but not really that good at acting when it came to the best scenes in the movie.
Ferarri pit droid
08-21-2002, 02:16 PM
Why didn't they cast The young indiana jones guy for the part, he would be perfect. I think he's a liuttle too short to portray Vader style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif
Justin
08-21-2002, 11:44 PM
I used to think that Sean Patrick Flannery would be a good Anakin as well, Ferarri.
Now that it's been mentioned, I think Heath Ledger would have been a kick-ass Anakin. He's a really good actor and has a really intense presence. I think he'd have probably sounded less whiny, even with the whiny dialog.
But then, I think I'd have been the best Anakin, lol.
Master Jason
08-22-2002, 12:08 PM
I think Heath Ledger would have made an excellent Anakin, but I think George wanted to stay with the "unknown" actors for the main characters. Every time I see Sam Jackson I think of Pulp Fiction. As for Jake Lloyd what do expect to get from a ten year old? I think he would have been better if George had let someone else write the script using his storyline. GL's writing skills are definitely not as good as those of the men who wrote the OT.
Justin
08-23-2002, 12:11 AM
I think Heath Ledger is more of an unknown than Natalie Portman. She's actually pretty famous.
Darth Vegas
08-23-2002, 04:20 AM
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Master Jason, George wrote the OT just as he conceived the entire saga.
Though others wrote the screenplay, he conceived the script, and the original story, which included most of the dialogue we see in the movies.
If you want to bash Lucas, why don't you do it on another site, like one for those who hate Star Wars.
It does not make sense for anyone to claim to be such a fan of the saga, but suggest that its maker, its creator, its father if you will, is not a good writer.
I think ANH proves how good GL can be, and Episode 3, as AOTC has already, will prove that he can do even better.
There would be no Star Wars if it wasn't for GL, and the only reason other people did ESB and ROTJ is because he was busy, not because he felt that he did not have the skill.
I'm more than sure that ROTJ, which I think is the worst of all the films so far, would have been much better, if GL had played a bigger part in their making.
You should all be thankful for all the countless hours of solid entertainment that he has provided.
Hayden was great, he acted just as Luke in ANH, which I think was the point, it was supposed to be that way. No one else could have pulled it off as good in that sense.
Darth Vegas
08-23-2002, 04:30 AM
As for Heath Ledger, he's about as well known as Portman, and he looks nothing like Jake Lloyd, it would have been terrible after TPM to put him in there.
Jake Lloyd was picked from hundreds of young actors, because he was unknown, and because they wanted someone that looke kinda like Mark Hamill.
I didn't mind him that much, I only wish we had seen him with a Lightsabre, like playing around with Qui-Gon's or a training lightsabre, like those used by the younglings in AOTC, with Qui-Gon training him. It should have happened either before they left Coruscant, or on their way back to Naboo Qui-Gon yet again defying the Council.
GL wanted a regular kid in the movie, and that's what we got.
I'm so glad fans don't make the movies, myself included. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
JediBendu
08-23-2002, 06:14 AM
actually Heath would be a great Jedi cameo for ep3 - I'll bet his agent's already on the case.
Every Australian actor would be trying to get a part - let's face it - there aint that much work over here :p
Darth Vegas
08-23-2002, 06:24 AM
If Heath is gonna have a cameo as a Jedi, why not Mel Gibson?
Or Danny Glover, or Arnold Shawrzennegar, or Richard Gere, or Sly Stallone, or Wesley Snipes, the list goes on and on.
Personnally, I think GL himself should play a cameo Jedi that Vader kills, that would be great.
JediBendu
08-23-2002, 06:30 AM
Actually there's a poll on who you want as a cameo - I think GL should include himself somehow.
Mel? He's not even ozi!
sweetani
08-23-2002, 03:06 PM
whinning could be part of anakin's character...but i don't think it was suppose to make him unlikable. I think it's actually suppose to make you relate to him more and like him. I mean...how many people do you know that doesn't whine? Especially in his/her late teens ant probably and haven't matured all yet. personally i like characters with flaws because they are more realistic...
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