Does Obi-Wan have Alzheimer?

[Ferarri pit droid]

I find it strange that Ben doesn't recognise R2-D2 or 3PO in A new Hope. Any thoughts? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[JediBendu]

There'd be some threads on this over in Classic Trilogy - but 3p0 has different coverings and astromech droids are a dime a dozen in the SW universe.

'Hello there. Come here my little friend.'

So he may in fact recognise him, and

'I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid'


I started a thread on this a while back, saying the Yoda will wipe Obi's memory as with the droids - it didn't go down too well :p

[Rinc]

Am i right in saying that Obi-Wan hasn't even met Threepio yet? Threepio IMO would be easily remembered because of his camp voice and also human characteristics. R2 though does seem like a very common droid and Obi-Wan never actually owns R2 so that would help fill the plot hole.

[Justin]

Obi-Wan never owned R2-D2. R2 belonged to Padme.

Maybe Obi-Wan did recognize the droids and just didn't say anything about it. What would be the point of him saying "oh yeah, I remember you!!"

As far as we've seen, Obi-Wan hasn't even met C-3PO and barely notices R2. Since all protocol droids and R2 units look similar, there isn't much he would notice about them.

And also, when George Lucas wrote
Star Wars in 1975, he didn't plan on there being any past history between Obi-Wan and the droids.

[Kit]

Well, when it comes to the thing about Obi-Wan owning R2, I can explain that. *I did in some thread... somewhere...

Anyway, R2 calls him Master Obi-Wan Kenobi, but machines, as everbody on the face of the earth knows can have all the knowledge in the world but they don't have wisdom! *So 3PO misinterpreted and said to Luke instead of Obi-Wan being Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi, he thought it was one of R2's old masters, Obi-Wan.

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[Obi-Stu]

I had never thought of it like that, kit. I'm sure Obi-Wan will have to come across 3PO at some stage in Ep 3. The
question is does Owen recognise 3PO in ANH.

[Darth Badly]

I agree with the original poster.

I think that somewhere between Ep III and ANH Obi-Wan loses his marbles and becomes insane like most old people.

I think he lets Vader win and fight on the Death Star because Obi-Wan realisies that he need to go to the toilet.

It's sad, but his sand dwelling out in the badlands probably smells of piss and left-over food because he can't chew very well anymore.

[Tarkheki JD]

obi doens't go bonkers IMO.

the explination of KIT makes great sence, and i think also a little logic comes to play here.. obi won't outright go and TELL luke he knows the droid and what's this all about.. he didn't tell luke about vader bein' his father also... it was one of those things that needs a time and a place to tell (if any) becuase it wasn't really important at the time, and it was more importan to remain conceled and under a different identity.

but that's just the ramblings of another crazy hermit! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Badly]

Naw, he's bonkers and probably smells pretty bad too.

Still at least he dies before he has the chance to bore the s**t out of Luke by telling him a load of stories like most old people would.


Notice also how when Obi-Wan dies, Vader just prods his cloak instead of picking it up - further proof that Obi-Wan smelt of piss like most old folks.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Justin@Aug 19 2002, 05:19 PM
Maybe Obi-Wan did recognize the droids and just didn't say anything about it. *What would be the point of him saying "oh yeah, I remember you!!" *
I feel the same way about Chewie.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by TK-007+Aug 27 2003, 02:14 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Aug 27 2003, 02:14 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Aug 19 2002, 05:19 PM
Maybe Obi-Wan did recognize the droids and just didn't say anything about it. What would be the point of him saying "oh yeah, I remember you!!"
I feel the same way about Chewie. [/b][/quote]

You're right. In human years, Chewie is pretty old, although I doubt even he would smell as bad as obi-Wan after 20 years in the desert.

There's just something about the wiff of old people that's hard to beat for stomach-turning badness.

[conron_montyn23]

There's just something about the wiff of old people that's hard to beat for stomach-turning badness.

that's mean! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

well, anyway I think GL is gonna have alot of explaining to do about the Obi-wan droids deal.

[Tarkheki JD]

wow, you have one BAD issue with old poeple!
i guess you weren't that close to your grandparents eh?

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Tarkheki JD@Aug 28 2003, 12:36 AM
wow, you have one BAD issue with old poeple!
i guess you weren't that close to your grandparents eh?

I loved my grandma plenty.

But you've only gotta ride on any downtown bus once to know what I say is true.

[Tarkheki JD]

admitedly, i volonteer at an OLD HOME and i never encountered what you said! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Greedo Boy]

I went to this old lady's house once, and I had to step outside almost instantly, it smelled so bad. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Greedo Boy@Aug 28 2003, 04:05 PM
I went to this old lady's house once, and I had to step outside almost instantly, it smelled so bad. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

Probably she is related to Obi-Wan.

[Tovor]

But you've only gotta ride on any downtown bus once to know what I say is true.
England has them double decker buses. Why don't government officials pass a law stating that all old people have to ride in the top section so that the bottom section will remain safe from foul odors? It it because they are afraid they would offend the Queen if they proposed such a law, considering how old he is herself? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Tarkheki JD]

not that i mind all this OT, but it's gettin' places slightly offensive to some (well, at least me), so why not go back OT please?
obi-wan and his reasons for not "remembering" the droids.

[Darth Vegas]

We don't know that he didn't, he just didn't acknowledge that he did, and had no reason to, every reason not to on the contrary.

The real question should be why he doesn't remember owning a droid.

[Gazelle]

er... the reason is because it is a continuity blooper..... Dear old Mr L, making it all up as he goes along.

For the final analysis on this subject, we might have to wait until we have seen Ep III. Perhaps it will all become clear.

[RollaFett]

Also, I haven't seen any evidence that he, in fact, ever did own a droid.

[Seanakin]

I think the attempted prequel connection here is to show the young Obi-Wan as someone who views droids as tools with no personality of their own. Thus the line "Well, if droids could think, there'd be none of us here, would there?" Yes, he uses a droid or two, but they're on loan from the Jedi Order for the purposes of his mission.

That's why it can be set up that he remembers Chewie from way back but not the droids. He'll remember Chewie because he cares to.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Aug 30 2003, 01:10 PM
Also, I haven't seen any evidence that he, in fact, ever did own a droid.
In the same sense that 3po and R2 didn't really belong to Leia, but they were property of the royal house of Alderaan, R4-P17 was no doubt for Obi-Wan's own personnal usage, even if he didn't technically own it.

[Tarkheki JD]

jedi arne't supposed to have belongings no? so that could also explain the "never OWNING a droid". style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Tarkheki JD@Aug 30 2003, 05:51 PM
jedi arne't supposed to have belongings no?
Yeah but a Jedi's lightsaber is his own, his clothing is his own... Jedi get paid for what they do (as seen by the 10000 credits Qui-Gon Jinn carries around in TPM)...

For the average moviegoer there will always be a inconsistency here.

[Tarkheki JD]

for the avergae... "non-believer", you mean. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Tovor@Aug 30 2003, 04:33 AM
But you've only gotta ride on any downtown bus once to know what I say is true.
England has them double decker buses. Why don't government officials pass a law stating that all old people have to ride in the top section so that the bottom section will remain safe from foul odors?

Because they can't climb stairs anymore.

[AndyWanKenobi]

Jedi most certaintly do not get paid. The credits he was carrying was either a standard amount of currency all jedi carry, just in case of certain emergencies or it was the queens money he was going to use. About the Obi wan situation........ Obi wan hasnt seen those 2 droids in 20 years AND there all like 5 billion R2 units and protocal droids in the galaxy. Do you actually expect us to believe he remembers them? It makes more sense that he doesnt.

[Gazelle]

What were you doing on this day exactly 20 years ago?

Can't remember, eh? Well, then, let's give Ben a break!

[Tarkheki JD]

A-MEN! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Sep 1 2003, 06:22 PM
What were you doing on this day exactly 20 years ago?

Can't remember, eh? Well, then, let's give Ben a break!

It's not about remembering one day is it?

It's about remembering a droid that you spent three films travelling with and who saved the lives of people close to you, and who's best friend droid was built by your deadly friend/foe Lord Vader himself.

Kinda hard to forget???

[Gazelle]

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Sep 1 2003, 07:29 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Sep 1 2003, 07:29 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Gazelle@Sep 1 2003, 06:22 PM
What were you doing on this day exactly 20 years ago?

Can't remember, eh? Well, then, let's give Ben a break!

It's not about remembering one day is it?

It's about remembering a droid that you spent three films travelling with and who saved the lives of people close to you, and who's best friend droid was built by your deadly friend/foe Lord Vader himself.

Kinda hard to forget??? [/b][/quote]
Here is my response:

1. If Obi has had a droid, its been R4.

2. Quite cleverly, Lucas has arranged it so that Kenobi and R2/C3PO have bearly shared a second of screen time.

3. There is no sense at all that he is aware of C3PO's origins.

4. Even if he and the drioids have one significant scene in Ep III, it can still be called "a day" so my comparison still stands.

5. As many others have said, he never did "own" a droid. It is unlikely that Obi Wan saw himself as "owning" his starfighter or the droid R4.

6. Given that Ben has lived on Tatooine for 20 years in the company of droid selling jawas, among farmers who "owned droids" because of labour shortage, he would assume that R2D2 was from his Tatooine life not from his clone war days.

7. Finally, lets not forget that Ben Kenobi in Ep IV is an old man. "I'm getting too old for these sorts of things," he says, and later bumbles his way through to a lightsabre defeat and death. He is not the sharp minded, quick moving Kenobi that slays Maul. His mind is not what it was.

No, he's not ill, and he's not lying. He doesn't remember.

Period.

[Darth Vegas]

Besdies, there are thousands and thousands of protocal and astromech droids all over the Galaxy, nothing special about 3po and R2, in Ben's eyes.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Sep 1 2003, 09:06 PM

7. Finally, lets not forget that Ben Kenobi in Ep IV is an old man. "I'm getting too old for these sorts of things," he says, and later bumbles his way through to a lightsabre defeat and death. He is not the sharp minded, quick moving Kenobi that slays Maul. His mind is not what it was.

No, he's not ill, and he's not lying. He doesn't remember.

Period.

So you think he probably is losing his marbles - a bit at least?

[Gazelle]

Have a fading loss of the long term memory is not losing one's marbles.

Its more... mislaying one's marbles...

[Obi-Stu]

I can see now, Old Ben sitting on the bench on board the Falcon, "R2D2....That name....OMG that's the bloody droid that repaired the shield generator, while were running the blackade. well, I'll be..."

[Gazelle]

Does Ben ever call him R2D2 in ANH? I am sure he doesn't. To him, they are "the droids."

If there is to be a continuity blooper it may occur in Episode III if Obi Wan and Threepio get too well acquainted. R2D2, as others have said, is just another whistling astromech droid, but Threepio has a distinctive personality, not necessarily shared by other protocol droids; eg, TC14 is NOT C3PO. However, Kenobi and C3PO haven't even met yet in the prequels, and may not.

On a final note, the involvement of R2D2 in the PT makes sense to ANH where the droid searches for his former master. R2 will not feel the passage of time, and his memory chips will be intact, making the searching out of Obi Wan Kenobi.

[Jedi_of_the_North]

Yeah...keep in mind his only master we've seen thus far has been Padme and well, she's kinda dead so R2 would seek out someone else from his past and Anakin's gone AWOL as Darth and thus would consider Obi-Wan the next closest thing to a former master.