Epic Confrontations: Round Two

[maddog62]

Dooku tells Obi-Wan about the Sith plot without exposing himself as a LOTS. He is using the link to Qui-Gon to get Obi-Wan to believe that he is really doing the right thing and is possibly the real good guy. By saying the Sith control the Senate he is exposing Palpatine as a Sith, weather Obi-Wan believes him or not . At this point I know dosn't believe Dooku. I think Dooku is trying to stike sympithy for his cause to Obi-Wan. Maybe down the road events will happen that will lead BEN to believe that he was in fact right about the SITH/Republic story and Obi-Wan joins him to defeat Palpatine.
Palpatine being the great DLOTS knows that in fact Dooku/Tyranis is playing both sides by #1 creating war with the Republic to put palptine in power. and #2 following his DARK nature in trying to use Obi-Wan as his apprentice to in fact defeat Palpatine. Palpatine in return is using Anikin as his defence from Dooku and was planning to use him anyway to destroy Dooku and become #2 DLOTS.
Obi-Wan is at first sympithetic to Dooku but under the guidence of Yoda is steared clear of the Darkside and tries to save Anikin at the same time.
What I see is a Anikin vs. Dooku vs. Obi-Wan while Obiwan faces off with Dooku and Palpatine while tring to save Anikin. Palpatine is playing Anikin to face off vs. Dooku and Obi-Wan I think Yoda will try to intervien but will take a final lose to Palpatine loosing Anikin to the Darkside and almost loosing Obi-Wan. Twisted and Evil!!!!!

[LordTyranus]

I also thought Dooku's conversation with Obi Wan was interesting, I think maybe Dooku will get an apprentice, possibly to help him "destroy the sith".

[obi1kenobi]

Maybe Dooku is really on to Palpatine's secret plan, and is genuinely trying to stop him - just look at the sadness on his face when he slices off Anakin's arm. He may be the first to recruit Darth Vader, only to be killed by the Emperor, and have his apprentice stolen (captured?)

[maddog62]

I think that its his nature as the Sith to try to concer his Master to become the Master. Just as vader was trying to recruit LUKE in ESB. Join me and together we will rule the galaxy as Father and Son. There can only be two that means they must destroy Palpatine. It is evident that Vader is Palpatines servant in the OT but he wants to overthrough Palpatine very Bad.

[darth covington]

although this seems wierd i think dooku will join the lightside again after years of being a sith he tries to covince kenobi of the truth but when kenobi doesn't belive him he has no choice but to obey his master(sidious) but as the clone wars grow more intense dooku feels a great remorse as he sees the jedi die and when skywalker and kenobi fight i belive anakin will nearly kill kenobi and dooku will step in and save his life as this happens he(dooku) will explain how he feels so much sadness from the death of qui gon jinn that he feels the only way he feels he can redeem himself is to save jinn's padawan and during the battle it will be dramatic talks of jinn until dooku is killed then kenobi will build on a similair strength of that with maul and he will have the strenghth to knok anakin into the lava pit.
at least i think that would be cool.

[cornixcuror]

Kudos on all the ideas here, I would love to see any and all of them made.

As for my opinion I as to the final duel in Ep III I would like to see the grand melee that Darth C suggested but I think that it would end slightly differently, more along the lines of what Obi1 is thinking. Tyranus has been manipulated into the position that he is in now largely but also I'm sure chose an anti-Jedi take since he has watched the Republic crumble under its own weight. Though he still is a good man when the times are tough so I see him stand up to Darth Sideous when the time comes. Then Sideous strikes him down for his lack of loyalty infront of Anakin. Which would convince a great number of people that Darth Sideous is as evil and powerful as he is in the next three episodes.

or

I would love to see a duel between Obi Wan, Anakin, and Tyranus about half way through the movie where Tyranus puts up the brave fight badly injuring Anakin, aka throwing him into the lava pit but in the end falls before the combined might of the Jedi. This would set up an even greater duel at the end of the movie where the newly forged Darth Vader squares off against his old master in the epic duel that has been so richly imagined by many a fan.

Cheers,

Cornixcuror

[maddog62]

Maybe I came across the with the wrong message that I am trying to get across. Dooku is Sith and Evil. When he tells Obi-Wan that the Sith are controling the senate he is trying to SCREW over Palpatine without giving up that he also is Sith. In everything ever writen about the Sith they are known for destroying each other. He is Sith and is not good and he dosn't mean good. Yoda explains this when he tells LUKE. ( Once you journey down the dark path forever will it dominate you destiny) This is what is believed at this time so Dooku will never be redeamed or Yoda would tell Luke he has the power to free Vader so he dosn't have to kill him.( the second duel ROTJ) Dooku can not turn back he is not powerful enough only Vader only the chosen one can come back with the help of LUKE. The Phantom Menace is the Jedi Code its wrong family and love will only make you stronger amazing things happen when your family members are being killed with Lightning.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by obi1kenobi@July 25 2002 - 01:13
Maybe Dooku is really on to Palpatine's secret plan, and is genuinely trying to stop him - just look at the sadness on his face when he slices off Anakin's arm. He may be the first to recruit Darth Vader, only to be killed by the Emperor, and have his apprentice stolen (captured?)
I was thinking that myself, that Dooku might be trying to stop Sidious. But then look at the expression on his face just before he defeats Kenobi. That's enough for me to reconsider the idea. If there's any good in him, I think it's very little.

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by maddog62@July 25 2002 - 13:46
Dooku can not turn back he is not powerful enough only Vader only the chosen one can come back with the help of LUKE.
Strength in the Force has absolutely nothing to do with being able to return to the side of good. It can happen, but it's extremely difficult. That's why Yoda's warns Luke. It's better to avoid the dark path all together, than to expect that one could always turn away and return to good. The lust for power is just too great.

[maddog62]

Yoda tells him it will dominate his destiny. Meaning once you turn you don't come back. It is possible to say Yoda has seen more than one Jedi turn in his 800+ years. He dosn't tell Luke he could be turned back but its very hard he tells his its impossible.( Broken down shotgun style)

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by maddog62@July 25 2002 - 20:22
Yoda tells him it will dominate his destiny. Meaning once you turn you don't come back.
If one is being dominated, it is difficult to come back, but not impossible. *A football team can destroy their opposition during the first half (like the Saints up 35-0 against the 49ers years ago), but the team that's being dominated can come back (49ers win 38-35 in monstrous comeback). *It's very, very difficult and doesn't happen often, but it does occur. *

People can always make choices. *That's never taken away. *Maul, Sidious, Tyrannus, Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Dromma, Anakin Skywalker, Luke Skywalker...they and others all had choices. *The Dark Side doesn't take that away.

[maddog62]

I think Yoda is convinced that once you go bad you stay bad kind of like friut.

[maddog62]

I also think its obvious that Yoda, and maybe Palpatine are the strongest in the force not Anikin. Anikin has the potentiel to be the strongest and never does untill he throws Palpatine in the vent.

[Martini]

NO WAY!! in TPM, Obi-Wan says Anakin has a higher mideclorian (sp) count then master yoda. So he is better then Yoda but just didnt show it in AOTC cause of his inexperience. We just dont know how powerful Palpatine is but ill say anakin is stronger

[maddog62]

He has the (Potential) to be better than Yoda but with training and experience he should be better, but right now he is not and no were near it. and that is what I said. Michael Jordan during his rookie year was not even close to being better that Majic Johnson but with training and experience hewas way beyond Majic ever was.

[Darth Havok]

I think that Anakin will be the one to fight Dooku and defeat him. This would mirror the same thing that happened in "TESB" and "ROTJ". Luke had to fight Darth Vader twice, and after the first battle, lost his arm only to fight him again the next episode to a different result. Looking at "AOTC", Anakin fought the emporer's apprentice and lost an arm...thus if everything comes full circle...he will fight Dooku again and defeat him... Just a thought ot two to ponder.. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Martini]

Anyone think its possible for Dooku to have a fake arm?

[maddog62]

Darth Havoc, these movie don't mirror the OT. GL said, they will rhyme meaning for example. A rhyme has lines think of a poem. The poem goes like, Humpy dumpty sat on a wall. Humpty dumpty had a great fall. Think as each movie as being a line in a poem. They don't go Humpty dumpty sat on a wall. Humpty dumpty sat on a wall again. That would be rediculous. and so was your post.

[LordTyranus]

Anakin, Anakin was so tall, Anakin, Anakin had a great fall-
Vader, Vader was so bad, Vader, Vader was Luke's dad!

[obi1kenobi]

Originally posted by LordTyranus@July 31 2002 - 00:54
Anakin, Anakin was so tall, Anakin, Anakin had a great fall-
Vader, Vader was so bad, Vader, Vader was Luke's dad!
All of Luke's forces, And all of Han's men
Helped put the force back together again
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[LordTyranus]

Originally posted by obi1kenobi+July 31 2002 - 01:29--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(obi1kenobi @ July 31 2002 - 01:29)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-LordTyranus@July 31 2002 - 00:54
Anakin, Anakin was so tall, Anakin, Anakin had a great fall-
Vader, Vader was so bad, Vader, Vader was Luke's dad!
All of Luke's forces, And all of Han's men
Helped put the force back together again
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/b][/quote]
Leia become the palace dirty little girl, then she killed that mean old Hutt!

[maddog62]

OK TERRIFIC

[LordTyranus]

Originally posted by maddog62@July 31 2002 - 07:54
OK TERRIFIC
LOL! We're just having some fun, you can ignore us. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[obi1kenobi]

Anakin, Anakin was so tall, Anakin, Anakin had a great fall-
Vader, Vader was so bad, Vader, Vader was Luke's dad!
All of Luke's forces, And all of Han's men
Helped put the force back together again
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/quote]
Leia become the palace dirty little girl, then she killed that mean old Hutt![/quote]
Lando became an okay guy, then he blew the new death star out of the sky style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[LordTyranus]

Anakin, Anakin was so tall, Anakin, Anakin had a great fall-
Vader, Vader was so bad, Vader, Vader was Luke's dad!
All of Luke's forces, And all of Han's men
Helped put the force back together again
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Leia become the palace dirty little girl, then she killed that mean old Hutt![/quote]
Lando became an okay guy, then he blew the new death star out of the sky style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/quote]
I think C3PO was gay, but Chewie fixed him okay :roll:

[obi1kenobi]

Originally posted by LordTyranus@Aug. 01 2002 - 00:55
Anakin, Anakin was so tall, Anakin, Anakin had a great fall-
Vader, Vader was so bad, Vader, Vader was Luke's dad!
All of Luke's forces, And all of Han's men
Helped put the force back together again
Leia became the palace dirty little girl, then she killed that mean old Hutt!
Lando became an okay guy, then he blew the new death star out of the sky
I think C3PO was gay, but Chewie fixed him okay
Padme had the cutest bum, (before she was Luke & Leia's Mum)

[VIR Jedi]

I am thinking perhaps Dooku will start out bad, fighting against Obiwan and Anakin again, with Palpy in attendance, rooting Dooku on....sometime during the battle, with Obi and Ani near defeat, Palpy will say something that doesn't sit well with Dooku, and he stops to think....here is where Obi takes Dooku back....they debate what Palpy just said, and with Palpy trying to defend himself with words, Dooku realises he's an expendable pawn in Palpy's plan, and turns on him. Palpy blasts him with force lightning and kills him....this leaves Obi and Ani vs Palpy....who brings in the now turned Mace to face them....Mace falls to Ani during the battle, and Ani thinks Obi is behind all the trouble he's been through and even blames him for the death of his mother....Ani turns on Obi, much to Palpy's delight, and the fight continues to the "death" of Ani as he falls into some sort of molten pit. Palpy saves Ani and Obi gets away. Ani is reborn from the fire as Vader and vows his allegance to Palpy and the Sith.

IMHO :skull:

[maddog62]

I don't like the point that everyone thinks that Dooku will turn back because up untill ROTJ its is believed that you can't come back. I know somebody will say they never said they couldn't come back. When Yoda says his, DOMINATE YOUR DESTINY LINE, it convices me that they think you can not come back becase a dominated destiny sounds preaty perminate to me.

[Martini]

i TOTALLY agree with maddog on this one. Dooku cant change sides cause then it will show how the dark side of the force is somewhat weak at times. and this will make the finale in ROTJ so much better when darth vader turns good again and kills the emporer. also be kind of nice though to see Sidious kill someone, even some runt with the force so we know how powerful he really is

[Angel_Blue]

I thought it might be in the Jedi Council Room after anikin gets :censored:ed up. between him yoda and Obi Wan, he would slaughter the other 11 easily and who knows mace could be dead by then so it may only be 10 members he has to take care of, but yoda would be left cause hes da bomb style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif. Obi Wan would sence some thing and run into the council room and see Yoda fighting with Anikan and the rest of the council in many diffrent peaces lying all over the floor.....And then Obi Wan helps Yoda while u see star destroyers come through the evening clouds and tie fighters blowing buildigs up and stuff(see all this through those windows in council room). Next thing we know the power goes out and its kinda dark but we can still see the battle. It would then make its way out onto a balcony and the top of the jedi temple would get blasted off over head. The rubble falls and Obi Wan and Yoda jump of the ledge and on a speeder and take off in it while Anikan/Vader busts out from under some ruble. He thinks them both dead and boards a shuttle and leave..............WHEW!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif :tie:

[Angel_Blue]

I know there was a load of mistakes in that post but dont make fun of me :dunce:

[LordTyranus]

Originally posted by TheOneCalled_Angel_Blue@Aug. 02 2002 - 16:12
And then Obi Wan helps Yoda while u see star destroyers come through the evening clouds and tie fighters blowing buildigs up and stuff(see all this through those windows in council room).
I deriously doubt Palpatine will have his own forces destroy his city, especially when he'll probably need the support of the people when he first takes power.

[LordTyranus]

Oh and for Obi- R2 had rocket jets, Watto made lots of bets! :roll:

[obi1kenobi]

Shmi married a man called Cliegg, the sandpeople cut off his leg! :roll:

Luke never did tell uncle Owen, where him and the droids were goin'

[obi1kenobi]

I think this piece of literature needs editing, and maybe put in a new post, what d'ya think Lord Tyranus??

[LordTyranus]

Originally posted by obi1kenobi@Aug. 04 2002 - 23:10
I think this piece of literature needs editing, and maybe put in a new post, what d'ya think Lord Tyranus??
Sure, the star wars story post!
Yoda lived in a slimy mud hole, Vader sure knew his role!

[maddog62]

Vader, Vader will through a lightsaber at you.
In episode 6 they knocked down his statue.

[LordTyranus]

Nice rhyme but wasn't that a statue of Palpatine?
Palpy, Palpy had force lightning, Darth Maul was oh so frightening!

[maddog62]

Good one but it looked like vader to me.

[LordTyranus]

Originally posted by maddog62@Aug. 05 2002 - 01:14
Good one but it looked like vader to me.
Man now I'm going to have to go and watch the movie!
Maul had tatoos all over his face, young Ani won the race!
Jar-Jar was really dumb, C3P0 liked to swallow :censored:
Was that too bad?

[maddog62]

3POis a saber swallower. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pacman.gif :saber:

[obi1kenobi]

To keep him focussed on the prize, Obi Wan fed Luke on lies
Luke did not know it when he kissed 'er, the princess was in fact his sister! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[maddog62]

Luke had secretly enjoyed the kiss. Later got into chicks that p style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif ss.

[obi1kenobi]

all rhyming contributors, check the new topic - the ballad of the star wars saga :roll:

[Angel_Blue]

The fight could take place on Sullust like people have said,but GL only made up the name Sullust not the terain for the planet,EU made up the terain and land forms. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[maddog62]

Yes he does because he owns Lucas Art who made the Game Rouge Squadron. I am sure he has a say.

[T-bone]

We've been waiting for it since the early days and it's going to hit the screen in 2005 - Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Anakin Skywalker in the ultimate Padawan/Jedi Knight grudge match. Discuss! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Seanakin]

Gee, what more is there to say but...

About damn time! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[JediBendu]

isn't the ultimate grudge match in anh where anakin does indeed have his revenge on his former master?

[Obi-Stu]

Only from a certain point of view... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Ali Arikan]

I have a feeling that Anakin uses both a blue and a red lıghtsabre in the duel. I have heard from very reliable people that he does indeed use a red sabre during the duel though the new Lucas quote seems to suggest otherwise. Maybe Anakin uses his blue one earlier on in the duel and then loses it. Obi Wan tells him that it is over and that Anakin should comeback with Kenobi and face the consequences of his actions. Suddenly, Anakin ignites his newly constructed red lightsabre and the duel resumes.

[primus]

Originally posted by Ali Arikan@Dec 30 2003, 07:30 AM
. Suddenly, Anakin ignites his newly constructed red lightsabre and the duel resumes.
Very interesting style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

[frootylupes]

i really like the idea of anakin using both the blue and red light sabers in the duel. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Manowan]

You know, the ROTK Mt. Doom scene is going to make the end of the Duel look like a total LOTR rip-off.

[goodwije]

Well the idea that Ani and Ben dueled and Ani fell into lava has been around a long long time. (But not nearly so long as the end of LotR) There are even concept scetches made before the script for ANH was finalized of a Castle Vader occupied that was black and menacing and on a planet with lava flows etc.

Your right though, i hope it is not so simular that people are reminded too much of LotR.

[T-bone]

Well yea, we all remember that big lightsaber duel they had on Mount Doom, right?

[goodwije]

Maybe Yoda wil bite off Ani's big toe or something style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Manowan@Dec 31 2003, 11:52 AM
You know, the ROTK Mt. Doom scene is going to make the end of the Duel look like a total LOTR rip-off.
Well it wouldn't be the first time Lucas borrowed some ideas from LOTR *cough*Willow*cough* style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

But I don't really think that is the case here - though some people will try to say it is (probably the same people that think Shelob is a rip-off of Harry Potter) - it's not as if Tolkien invented the volcanic landscape is it?

[Siamese Sith]

Well I'm not concerned what Joe-movie-goer thinks, cause for me this is just sooooooo kewl that a SW rumor from waaaaaay back in the 70's is gonna come to fruition! Plus there won't be two exhausted hobbits laying on a island of rock surrounded by flowing magma, there's gonna be two legendary Jedi fighting the good fight in Hades in that galaxy far far away!

[Obi-Stu]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well yea, we all remember that big lightsaber duel they had on Mount Doom, right?[/b][/quote]

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[Javen]

Natalie Portman has seen the duel and has said no stuntman did the duel. Just Hayden and Ewen only. You can read it Here (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1484030/01052004/id_0.jhtml)

[DarthSolo]

im psyched!

[Seanakin]

I'm not worried about the volcano comparisons, the release of Episode III will have been a long enough time after RotK to elude the casual moviegoer.

[Obi-Stu]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Natalie Portman has seen the duel and has said no stuntman did the duel. Just Hayden and Ewen only. You can read it Here [/b][/quote]

I saw the article yesterday, it's looking good...

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not worried about the volcano comparisons, the release of Episode III will have been a long enough time after RotK to elude the casual moviegoer. [/b][/quote]

Tis kinda true - but the extended LOTR DVD won't be out til around Nov of 2004 if they time it the same...

HOWEVER - I think anyone that needs to compare the two should have their head examined.

[Off topic] I wasn't all that happy with the effect of Gollum falling into the lava and his sinking...looked bad to me. [Back on topic]

[Ewok Hater]

I know everyone's all excited about the duel between Obi Wan & Anakin in Episode 3. However, should it really be very long & spectacular? Think about this for a second. In Episode IV, Obi Wan & Anakin/Vader fight again and let's face it, as emotionally important and plot driven the duel was, it really wasn't breathtaking. Yes I know GL didn't have the technology or money at the time to have Obi Wan flipping around or have Vader force throwing anything. However, if watching these in sequence, a lot of people are gonna go, "Hey how come these guys were killing each other & doing everything possible to each other in Episode 3 for over 10 minutes but are just going through the motions in Episode 4?" My point is that if the duel in Episode 3 is jaw dropping with both Obi & Ani going all out on each other, it will overshadow the rematch in Episode 4 and make it seem less than what it really is. True you can make a case that when Vader first connects with Obi Wan's saber, he says, "Your powers are weak old man" and senses that he could beat him at any time & is just toying with him. However, the Episode 4 duel is only 18 years after the Episode 3 one & I doubt Obi Wan's abilities could really have diminished that much in a relatively short time frame. Yoda & Dooku were both old but could still fight very well and Obi Wan is way younger than both of them. Plus Obi Wan was still strong with the force, (going unseen throughout the Death Star to dismantle the tractor beam) & still knew how to handle a lightsaber, as seen in the cantina scene.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE for this duel to be incredible with plenty of action and emotion. However, if it's too incredible, it weakens the Episode 4 duel which is arguably the more important of the 2.

[Gazelle]

I don't agree.

[kerouac777]

I think it adds to Obi's character to have the first duel so huge and the second so short. I mean, the fact is, Obi gave up for a very good reason the second time.

It shows that Obi knows something that Vader doesn't.

[bluemilk]

I wish people would use line breaks instead of writing in one massive paragraph *sigh*

[jedijaybird]

After 18 year of seclusion, I think Obi Wan was a little rusty and weak with his skills.

Perhaps after losing Anakin to the dark side, he vowed not to practice the ways
of the force. He kind of eludes to it in A New Hope when he says:

"I was once a Jedi Knight same as your father…"

Stating he used to be a Jedi but went into hiding, changed his name to Ben
and didn't play with the force anymore.


just speculating…

[maddog62]

Although I do agree with the ANH fight being somewhat less impressive duel to the lack of FX and Nick G to some degree. I feel that it was more important in OW's role in the "Plan of the Force" to recruit Luke. OW in his peek of his fighting ability could not defeat Vader physically (ep3), but through the force we see how long OW's arm streches. In ANH Vader is far stronger (physically) in the darkside of the force than he was in E3 (will be).

One thing you do forget GL now has great special effects (CG) and Nick G. It is also rumored that the OT will rerelease on DVD in November of 2004 making it quite possible for them to polish up some of the ANH fighting scenes using CG and stunt doubles. (like the Dooku fight in E2) they may also do this with space battles and other OT duels.(he did give us the special edition)

Star Wars is GL's work of art and he has been working on it for over 20 years he will not be done untill it is a Masterpiece.

[Siamese Sith]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. The PT is a completely different animal. As long as the fight doesn't become rediculous, have at it Obi Wan & Anakin!

[maddog62]

Originally posted by Siamese Sith@Jan 27 2004, 07:21 PM
I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. The PT is a completely different animal. As long as the fight doesn't become rediculous, have at it Obi Wan & Anakin!
Who officially are you disagreeing with?

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

I beleive it was the interviews on the THX Re-Masters, where Lucas said something to the effect of "In the OT, you only get to see two old Jedi, and one who is not fully trained. In the new ones, the Jedi will be full force, in their prime"

I think this is the answer to your query....... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[cGt 2099]

NIGHTTRAVELLER, you wouldn't happen to be a KISS fan would ya? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Ewok Hater@Jan 27 2004, 09:41 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE for this duel to be incredible with plenty of action and emotion. However, if it's too incredible, it weakens the Episode 4 duel which is arguably the more important of the 2.
The Episode 4 duel has appeared to be weak ever since Episode 4. This doesn't hurt it any more at all.

[ToxicBob]

The way I see it.

I like the ep4 fight, more the conversation between the two rather than the fight.

Obi-Wan knew what was going to happen. It was his destiney.

Obi-Wan was quite powerful but compaired with Vader he was weak. I also think he might have sacarficed himself so Vader didn't catch up with Luke in the Death star.


TB

[Gazelle]

Originally posted by jedijaybird@Jan 27 2004, 06:26 PM
After 18 year of seclusion, I think Obi Wan was a little rusty and weak with his skills. Perhaps after losing Anakin to the dark side, he vowed not to practice the ways of the force. He kind of eludes to it in A New Hope when he says:

"I was once a Jedi Knight same as your father…"

Stating he used to be a Jedi but went into hiding, changed his name to Ben and didn't play with the force anymore. Just speculating…
That is an excellent observation.

[bous]

Obi Wan wasn't really trying to defeat Vader on the DS IMO, he was just stalling Vader, when he noticed that Luke could see them duel he let Vader strike him down in front of young Luke.
In this duel Obi Wan was thinking about a way to beat Vader in the future (by the hands of Luke) Vader only looked for the victory then and there, not knowing that another force-user was present, one who was younger than him and given enough time to practice could beat him someday.

So i guess it was Obi Wan's choice to beat Vader in another way than a direct duel.

[maddog62]

I think in ANH OW is much more powerful with the force spirtually that is why he is able to help Luke. (he was physically weak due to his old human age)

I also don't think the title of being a Jedi makes a difference to the force. You are either strong or weak. The force doesn't care about political and social titles.

[Gazelle]

In the movies, the training that Luke and others are seen to receive suggests that the ways of the Force can be learned and developed. There is a need for "training." Therefore, Ben's use of the force weakening could be an option.

Other than moving cups of coffee around his hut and doing the odd mind trick on a jawa to get a cheap vacuum cleaner, it is possible that Ben Kenobi rarely "used" the force in between Episodes 3 and 4.

He may well have gone a bit stale.

If nothing else, it is an interesting idea.

[jedijaybird]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Jan 28 2004, 11:57 AM
Other than moving cups of coffee around his hut and doing the odd mind trick on a jawa to get a cheap vacuum cleaner…
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif Funny

[frootylupes]

i agree that OW prolly didnt use the force much inbetween ep III and ep IV. he was an old man, and tho wise in the force, not physically strong.

[Jabba the Hutt on a tricycle]

He got rusty, using the force is a bit like riding a bike, you don't forget, but you have to keep it up to stay in the game. Vader hadn't met his match in years so that was his excuse, while OW wasn't fighting any Sith so that is his excuse. I hope the duel will be cool, i think i read something from McCallum that it would be the best in cinema history, that is a big thing to say, i hope it is isn't as comical as Yoda's (puts on helmet for protection from blunt objects from fanboys) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/innocent.gif

[frootylupes]

the duel is going to be famous no matter what. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[cj790]

Isn't the ANh duel a bit more like Kurosawa's fight scenes - short and tense, because the tension is between the characters, not the fact there are sharp swords between them.

Besides, it is more a case of striking at the right time rather than striking constantly - I see it as both combatants as being older and wiser, and understanding the foolishness of futile swings. The pair are measuring each other up a lot more in the ANH duel.

[badjedi]

cj790 you make an excellent point. i have thought this to be true for a while myself now. i thought perhaps they were fighting more conservatively because neither of them wanted to make the first mistake. remember, even though vader is more powerful than kenobi in ep.4 he apparently takes a whoopin in ep.3. that could've been in the back of his helmet. hehe. maybe he didnt feel like losing anymore body parts, if there were anymore to lose. btw if anakin/vader is losing body parts does that mean he's losing midichlorians with them? perhaps he's not the spry youth he was back in ep.3, and not as naturally talented in the ways of the force either, although he would have had many years of practice by ep.4.

[frootylupes]

[QUOTE]btw if anakin/vader is losing body parts does that mean he's losing midichlorians with them?





good point, never thought of that.

[RebelRoss0587]

I don't know about the midichlorians thing, but I thought that the midichlorian count measured how many midichlorians were in each individual cell, so it wouldn't affect his force ability, but I don't know for sure. Oh, and the duel will definitely be one of the most memorable in cinema history. Also, I'm glad that someone is worried about it being too good. That's a sign that people are starting to become pretty optimistic about this film. As far as the super DVDs, I am so hopeful that a lot of things do get fixed and added in like longer battles and special affects and stuff. I thought that they weren't coming out until after Episode III and there would just be one huge finalized 10 DVD set. If anyone knows anything about this, please share. Oh yeah, and just a side note. I have Rouge Squadron III for Gamecube and there are a bunch of OT cut scenes in the game. That wouldn't be anything special, but the scenes are totally awesome quality. I think when we see the totally finished Star Wars series all together, we will be amazed even more than we can imagine.

[cj790]

My perfect image of the battle would be if it lasted about 4 minutes:

All silent.
The first 3minutes 50seconds would be shots of Anakin and Ob1 standing, shifting weight, sizing each other up, adjusting their stance and how they are holding their lightsabers.
Then they run toward each other, once, and slash.
Anakin crumples.

But then I just like samurai films style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[goodwije]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> i hope it is isn't as comical as Yoda's (puts on helmet for protection from blunt objects from fanboys)[/b][/quote]

The beginning of the Yoda Duel was supposed to be comical, people were like yeah right, and then he jumped into the action. At every show i saw there were literally people standing and cheering after the scene.

[Javen]

I just read the duel between Anakin and Obi Wan will be 12 minutes and that Ewan learned over 1,000 moves. I bet the 12 minutes doesn't make it in the final cut.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen@Jan 29 2004, 07:28 AM
I just read the duel between Anakin and Obi Wan will be 12 minutes and that Ewan learned over 1,000 moves. I bet the 12 minutes doesn't make it in the final cut.
Yeah I read that too.

But actually Nick Gillard also said in Hyperspace the fight does clock in at over 10 minutes, and he doesn't believe they'll be cutting it down any shorter than that, so I see no reason not to expect just that.

[frootylupes]

as much as i want a long fight, doesnt 12 minutes of uncut fighting seem a little long? maybe if it is intercut with other scenes, but 12 minutes straight just seems long to me. (cant wait to see it tho) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[RebelRoss0587]

If it's 12 minutes long, it probably won't be 12 straight minutes of uncut fighting. Episode III has to do so many other things, it will probably shift between scenes, and besides, I heard the fight will be in a lot of different places. They will be moving around alot in the factory/volcano or whatever.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by RebelRoss0587@Jan 29 2004, 12:12 PM
If it's 12 minutes long, it probably won't be 12 straight minutes of uncut fighting.
Actually that's exactly what it's supposed to be.

In fact the as the script reads, there is no intercutting with other scenes at all.

This could change during editing, but as of right now that's how the duel is.

[frootylupes]

thats what i thought too. just seems a little long, especially with all the other things GL has to cram into a 2 hour movie.

[kerouac777]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>In fact the as the script reads, there is no intercutting with other scenes at all.
[/b][/quote]

You've seen the script or is this based on something someone said?

[Jabba the Hutt on a tricycle]

I expect this to be cut to perhaps half as long, even 6 minutes of a fight is a long time, i think the fight with Neo against the 100+ agent smiths in Reloaded, seems long but isnt very long (anyone got a count). I would love a long fight scene. McCallum has said it will be the best ever seen, that is a big thing to say. Could it be better than Neo in reloaded....

I hope so style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[frootylupes]

Originally posted by Jabba the Hutt on a tricycle@Jan 30 2004, 10:03 AM
I expect this to be cut to perhaps half as long, even 6 minutes of a fight is a long time, i think the fight with Neo against the 100+ agent smiths in Reloaded, seems long but isnt very long (anyone got a count). I would love a long fight scene. McCallum has said it will be the best ever seen, that is a big thing to say. Could it be better than Neo in reloaded....

I hope so style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
^ totally agree jabba

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif In the OT duel between the two, there was quite a bit of dialog between the characters. I would expect there to be a verbal battle going on along with the saber duel in the PT. Anakin will most likely be venting his frustrations on Obi, verbally, as Obi tries to convince Anakin that he is making a bad choice.

That being said, I dont think that 12 minutes would be too long for the fight. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[ToxicBob]

I think it really needs to be a hefty battle. When two friends fight it's always pretty intense.


FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

[jadesaber86]

Originally posted by NIGHTTRAVELER@Jan 30 2004, 11:05 AM
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif In the OT duel between the two, there was quite a bit of dialog between the characters. I would expect there to be a verbal battle going on along with the saber duel in the PT. Anakin will most likely be venting his frustrations on Obi, verbally, as Obi tries to convince Anakin that he is making a bad choice.

That being said, I dont think that 12 minutes would be too long for the fight. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif
i agree with him, but i hope to expect some pretty intense stunts as well.

[kerouac777]

GL described a scene between Obi and Padme as "the scene that explains it all."

I think/hope that the duel is what explains "it all," or at least what I want explained. I want Annie's motivation for turning from Annie's POV. I want to know from what POV he evolved to believing he "must obey [his] master" and that Luke didn't fully understand the power of the DS.

I wanna know THAT. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[DblDwn]

Gazelle said this in his Saber Color Thread:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>In the celebrity chat with Paul Ens today, Paul let slip that Anakin will not be fighting Obi Wan with a red lightsabre.[/b][/quote]

If that is the case then how come in the latest Insider there is an Episode III photo of Hayden, that says he is resting in between takes of the Obi-Wan duel, in which he is holding a red lightsaber? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Gazelle]

Dunno. Given that sabre colour is added in post production, I would have thought the situation was open to change anyway.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Gazelle@May 1 2004, 09:25 AM
Given that sabre colour is added in post production, I would have thought the situation was open to change anyway.
I was under the impression that the color of the 'blade' during filming is the same color that is added, effects wise, in post production. In the picture the 'blade' in Hayden's hand is red so I would take that to mean that he is wielding a red saber in that scene.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Gazelle@May 1 2004, 08:25 AM
Dunno. Given that sabre colour is added in post production, I would have thought the situation was open to change anyway.
And since ILM hasn't even touched the duel, it still is. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DarthSilly]

lets not go down the "Colour of prop indicate colour in film" because it doesn't. How many times do you see a blue stick in the photos before addition of visual effects? How many Jedi have blue lightsabres in the films?

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Javen@Jan 29 2004, 10:28 AM
I just read the duel between Anakin and Obi Wan will be 12 minutes and that Ewan learned over 1,000 moves. I bet the 12 minutes doesn't make it in the final cut.
I wan't to see a great Lightsaber Duel but 12 minutes seems a little too long. Maybe it can be 12 minutes with a few pauses in between for some dialogue.

[pastacasa]

Hey guys,

Did you ever think that Obi-Wan, when he encounters Vader, ages more quickly because perhaps he is exposed to some Force Lightning, or some sort of Dark Side torture? That could make up for the age difference, and the weakening of his abilities. I'm sure Vader isn't the only one who goes through the duel getting hurt.

Also, if Yoda's power to use the force has diminished, Obi-Wan's has, too, and they aren't getting any younger, and the dark side of the Force is growing.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by pastacasa@May 1 2004, 04:28 PM
Also, if Yoda's power to use the force has diminished, Obi-Wan's has, too, and they aren't getting any younger, and the dark side of the Force is growing.
Perfectly stated.

[pastacasa]

Obi-Wan: "...and your senses aren't that attuned, my young apprentice.

Anakin: "And yours are?"

Obi-Wan: "Possibly"

I think that the duel between Ani and Obi is going to involve this same struggle. Anakin is going to keep thinking he is better than Obi, but Obi will beat him down each time. Obi-Wan never reveals his true powers, until the very last minute, and when in need; whereas Anakin is always 'flexing his muscles' and using his powers, not exercising restraint. Obi is definately going to be only defending himself in the beginning, but something will trigger him and he'll start pounding on Anakin, perhaps much in the same way Luke did in ROTJ. Anakin will probably begin to despair at Obi's hidden strength, and this will perhaps force him to start taking cheap shots (i.e. Force Lightning, lifting Obi, Force throwing, etc.).

"Your powers are weak, old man."

Now, finally, Vader knows he will have the upper hand; but Obi has one more trick up his sleeve, always showing he is one step ahead of Anakin.

[DarthAnakin]

Honestly, I believe the Obi-Wan vs Anakin duel will be the greatest of all time surpassing Luke vs Vader in ROTJ.

[Darth_Oracle]

I should have known, now i have read it all, people actually hoping the last lightsaber fight we will ever see on the big screen is shorter rather than longer... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif


I for one do not share this opinion, the longer the better!

Oh wait i get it, you want it shorter so that GL can add it to the deleted scenes section so he can, all together now, MAKE MORE MONEY..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[Darth Palpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Oh wait i get it, you want it shorter so that GL can add it to the deleted scenes section so he can, all together now, MAKE MORE MONEY.....[/b][/quote]

Bit like Peter Jackson and New Line Cinema then !

There hasn't been a deleted scene yet that was a longer version of wht we already have seen, not on a SW DVD anyway.

[Obidobi]

No..?
What about the 2nd round of the pod-race.. That was a extended scene added into the movie....

But that is way off topic...

[Javen]

Originally posted by pastacasa@May 1 2004, 08:33 PM
I think that the duel between Ani and Obi is going to involve this same struggle. Anakin is going to keep thinking he is better than Obi, but Obi will beat him down each time.
Anakin already thinks he is. And he thinks he rivals Yoda with the saber.

The duel is obviusly going to start over something simple.

[Darth Palpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>No..?[/b][/quote]

Erm, yes...but that was reinserted back into the film ! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[The Prism]

I personally hope Anakin DOESN'T use a red lightsaber for the duel. I would very much like to see two blue lightsabers against each other, 1) because we've never seen it before and 2) because it would give such a sense of betrayal! It would be AWESOME with a capital AWESOME! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

You know as a sidenote it just adds to Obi-Wan's general coolness factor that we know he at least comes out surviving the duel and physically intact.

Obi-Wan has soooooooooo much inner strength. I think Lucas may have goofed slightly in Obi-Wans character though. We are to accept that the Skywalker line are the chosen and whatnot. But Obi-Wan is AT LEAST on par. It's an error in Obi-Wan's favor thoug. lol And in favor to all the Obiphiles out there.

As for this duel... I heard the 12 minute thing, and the arguments for and against. I agree that 12 minutes may seem too much,that the scene will get redundant and all, however I also think that this more than likely being the last sabre duel ever on the big screen (please don't start the episodes VII VIII IX arguments style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif ) that it deserves a rather lengthy scene. Either way, it is pretty much assured we are in for a treat.

I'd also like to see Anakin with his blue sabre through most of the movie however I do want to see him using a red sabre prior to donning the Vader suit. Though I like the idea of him fighting Obi-Wan with his blue sabre because as someone stated before, blue on blue has not been done before, and it almost seems taboo which just adds to the excitement.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by The Prism@May 2 2004, 08:31 PM
I personally hope Anakin DOESN'T use a red lightsaber for the duel. I would very much like to see two blue lightsabers against each other, 1) because we've never seen it before and 2) because it would give such a sense of betrayal! It would be AWESOME with a capital AWESOME! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif
Yeah I hope when Anakin kills all the Jedi he will have a Red Lightsaber but a Blue one in the duel vs Obi-Wan, but it probably won't happen.

[pastacasa]

But it would add a sense of betrayal if he used his Jedi saber to kill the Jedi. Its a bit too simple and one-dimensional with the red saber, not to mention obvious. GL said it would be dark...

12 minutes? 1 minute? An hour? Does it matter? As long as it is good, who cares how long it is? They could have it be ten seconds if it was good that way.

[Gazelle]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@May 3 2004, 09:20 PM
Yeah I hope when Anakin kills all the Jedi he will have a Red Lightsaber but a Blue one in the duel vs Obi-Wan, but it probably won't happen.
Not a totally unlikely scenario, if Paul Ens' comments are to be relied upon.

[Darth Holmes]

Originally posted by pastacasa@May 3 2004, 02:46 PM

12 minutes? 1 minute? An hour? Does it matter? As long as it is good, who cares how long it is? They could have it be ten seconds if it was good that way.
Lets not get carried away. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

I agree time is not as important as quality. But this duel will basically shape the events of the OT. It has to establish the drama of events to come and can not be short lived in doing so.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Around 10 mins would be fine.

[Darth_Oracle]

Around 10 minutes PLUS! would be fine! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

oh and about the whole color of anakin's ls in THE DUEL, if it is blue, then he probably just didn't have time to go make a new saber, or at least get different crystals. And i think he is vader at THE DUEL, at least for all intents and purposes. I mean, killing the leader of the jedi council, there's no coming back from that, and if that is the deciding factor (ie if he kills mace, he is with palps/sith, if he kills palpatine then he is a jedi) and he chooses to kill mace, then that is when he becomes sith/vader. Same in ROTJ when he kills the emperor, he returns to the light and the jedi.

imho

[DarthAnakin]

yeah no matter what color of lightsaber Anakin uses, it's going to be an amazing duel.

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

Does anyone know where the lava rumor got its start? It's the oldest Star Wars rumor around (and thankfully it seems to gain more and more substance as time goes by). It's been around since before the OT finished in 1983. I know some of us weren't born yet (I'm as old as ROTJ lol). I have brothers who are considerably older than me with which the OT is to them what the prequils are becoming to the majority of us and I remember one of them years ago saying something about the lava thing, before anyone ever thought Lucas would do episodes I-III.

[Darth Palpy]

It was never a rumour, it was mentioned in Official merchandise and magazines in 1978.

[Darth Holmes]

Originally posted by The_Senator_from_Terra@May 4 2004, 07:54 AM
Does anyone know where the lava rumor got its start? It's the oldest Star Wars rumor around (and thankfully it seems to gain more and more substance as time goes by). It's been around since before the OT finished in 1983. I know some of us weren't born yet (I'm as old as ROTJ lol). I have brothers who are considerably older than me with which the OT is to them what the prequils are becoming to the majority of us and I remember one of them years ago saying something about the lava thing, before anyone ever thought Lucas would do episodes I-III.
It came mostly from the ROTJ novel as far as I know.

In the novel, Obi Wan had some dialogue with Luke about his fathers turn to the dark side after Yoda died on Dagobah. It was very similar to the movie dialogue only Obi Wan went into more detail. He told him about how they fought and Anakin fell into a "molten pit".

Most fans took "molten" to mean "lava", which now actualy appears to be accurate.


To be honest, I always thought the notion of Anakin falling into molten lava and surviving was pretty stupid. But now that Episode 3 is upon us, it seems that is exactly what will happen.

I just hope its done believably. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Darth LeeHaas]

It wasnt a rumor.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>"I didn't have a very specific idea about what Vader might look like underneath the mask. I knew that he had been in a lot of battles, and at one point I thought that he had had a confrontation with Ben and Ben had sent him into a volcano. But he was all but dead, and basically he was manufactured back together even though there was very little left of him. So he is kind of this three-quarter mechanical man and one-quarter human, and the suit he wears is like a walking iron lung. By the time we got to the third film, we were able to articulate what Vader looked like underneath the mask, but until then I just knew that he was pretty messed up simply because he could barely breathe or speak."
[/b][/quote]
A quote from George Lucas straight from T Bonz' site.

[DarthAnakin]

^ When did GL say all this?

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

I knew it wasn't a simple "rumor" I just used "rumor" for lack of a better term. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Speaking of rumors, the rumor going around now is that Anakin actually dies after the duel and that he's resurrected by the Dark Side.

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif

for some reason I like the near death thing as opposed to the total death and resurrection.

OH NO! I KNOW! ANAKIN GETS CLONED!!!! lol someone had to say it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

no I don't mean that for real lol style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[bous]

Well actually he's a shapeshifter, he changes from some lava-melted body to the baddest mothershutyourmouth in the galaxy style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Link Skywalker]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif He's not.
He uses what Force Powers he has left in his no doubt scarred body to claw his way out of the pit. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

Yeah that would make the most sense, I was thinking that myself.

[Midknight]

He probobly had to completly turn himself evil in order to come out of that volcano in return for his life. Hey, I wonder where the battle is gonna take place?

[DarthAnakin]

Sidious uses the force to lift Anakin out of the lava.

[Midknight]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@May 5 2004, 04:39 PM
Sidious uses the force to lift Anakin out of the lava.
possible, but why would Sidious be there?

[DarthAnakin]

^ He senses Anakin and Obi-Wan dueling, and he senses Anakin will be defeated. Possibly.

[Darth Holmes]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@May 5 2004, 02:44 PM
^ He senses Anakin and Obi-Wan dueling, and he senses Anakin will be defeated. Possibly.
That sounds like a bit of a reach.

Keep in mind that Anakin is supposedly sent there by Sidious to clean up the separatist leaders. So Sidious wont be there. If Sidious does somehow sense that Anakin is losing a duel, he still has to travel from where ever he is first.

I don't think Anakin can wait around doing the back stroke in lava while Sidious gets there. Anakin has to get out fairly quickly to survive.

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[DarthAnakin]

^ Well how do you think he gets out?

[Darth Holmes]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@May 5 2004, 03:23 PM
^ Well how do you think he gets out?
More importantly, how does he get out and stay alive? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

Perhaps clone troopers come to break up the party. Obi Wan and Padme flee and the troopers rescue Anakin.

Its hard to say since there have been like zero spoilers on the whole lava thing. In fact, I'm not even sure its been said that Anakin actually falls in the lava. He may fall onto a ledge or crevasse near lava which seriously burns him but doesn't incinerate him like if he were actually in the stuff, which of course makes more sense.

[DarthAnakin]

^ I hope he falls in though.

[Ewok Hater]

Maybe he's wearing some body armor (like he wears in ANH) that protects his chest, heart & other vital organs temporarily long enough for him to claw his way out. Maybe not long enough for some lava to seep through & start to burn his lungs but enough to buy him some time & get out of the lava pool.

BTW, anyone know what actually provokes Anakin & Obi Wan TO start the duel with each other? Anakin simply saying, "I'm on the dark side now & I must serve Palpatine" isn't really a good cause for a continuous 10 minute battle to the death using lightsabers over a lava pit. It sounds more like a political debate. All that's missing are the podiums.

[Darth Holmes]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@May 5 2004, 06:52 PM
^ I hope he falls in though.
I don't see how anyone can survive taking a bath in molten lava, even if it is Star Wars.

I mean come on, you would be instantly incinerated.

[JKRich]

Ewok I think what provokes it is that Anakin hunts down the Jedi.Something of this magnitude is needed in order for these two to battle(IMO)

[Obidobi]

Originally posted by Ewok Hater@May 6 2004, 04:07 AM
Maybe he's wearing some body armor (like he wears in ANH) that protects his chest, heart & other vital organs temporarily long enough for him to claw his way out.
Not according to the pics in Hyperspace....Ref: BTH..

[Darth Holmes]

Originally posted by Ewok Hater@May 5 2004, 07:07 PM
BTW, anyone know what actually provokes Anakin & Obi Wan TO start the duel with each other? Anakin simply saying, "I'm on the dark side now & I must serve Palpatine" isn't really a good cause for a continuous 10 minute battle to the death using lightsabers over a lava pit. It sounds more like a political debate. All that's missing are the podiums.
Supposedly Padme is there with Obi Wan to talk some sense into Anakin. Anakin becomes enraged at her being there and blames Obi Wan for her betrayal.

[JKRich]

I think the armor is part of what keeps him alive in the OT.

[JKRich]

So that wouldnt be a part of his attire yet.(Part of last post)ooops

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

maybe in a fit of anger Anakin lashes out at Padme, OBi-Wan intervenes to prtoect her and try to get anakin to settle down, but Anakin just lets all the anger and sadness and bitterness and pain in him out at that moment in his his fit of all of that engages Obi-Wan in a fight and Obi-Wanquickly realizes that there's no way to get Anakin to come to his senses now...

[bous]

I've read somewhere that some clonetroopers will take his remains and bring this to good old Palpy, he'll heal (or resurrect) Anakin (Vader now).

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

as a sidenote about the clonetroopers, it'll be cool to see them turn one instant from fighting with the Jedi and taking their orders to all of a sudden going buck wild on them if that rumor turns out to be true which it probably will. I've read some spoiler script bits where some of them like the one Obi-Wan befriends, all of a sudden visibily stiffen and you can see a sudden change in them and they start talking weird and turn to the closest Jedi, spout off their name like "Target, Jedi MAster Obi-Wan Kenobi" and attack as if their is something in them that will make them succeptible to an outside influential force that makes them turn. I would love to see this I hope this is one of those things that turn out to be true. We already know Obi-Wan befriends a clonetrooper who likes some other clonetrooper is developing his own individual personality due to prolonged service and thuis exposure to many different things. the script say Obi-Wan strikes him down right away because he can tell nothing could be done otherwise. The script says Cody calls him Obi-Wan when he is about to deisgnate him as a target, and after Obi-Wan strikes him down he qietly says "it was always Ben to you, friend."

wow did I go off topic or what lol.

[Streen]

Has anyone considered that Anakin survives simply because of him being the Chosen One, (ie his super-high Midichlorian count)? I think that at least has something to do with it.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Thats so simple, it might even be correct.

[pastacasa]

Hey yo guys!

Think about Gollum. He was toast in seconds. It would be rediculous to believe Anakin falls straight in, like Ripley in Alien 3. Even if he did, the time it would take him to be rescued would be too long and he'd be even more toasted than Gollum.

Also, the Emperor will definately be present at this duel, as DUUUH it is in his private lava chambers. You think he'd miss this for the world, er, I mean Universe?

Here's what I think: Obi-Wan and/or Yoda discover Palps' secret chamber and investigate. There they/he finds Anakin with Palps, proving all suspicions to be right. This is where EVERYTHING is going to come together, the story, the questions, EVERYTHING. Anakin and Obi-Wan will begin to argue. It may possibly mirror ROTJ where Palps is egging Luke on and Vader just stands back and watches, even participated. I think they will try to convert Obi-Wan to the Dark Side, like Luke. Then Palps will prey upon Anakin's feelings for Obi-Wan (set up perfectly in Episode II), turning him against Obi-Wan right in front of him. But Obi-Wan isn't powerful enough for the both of them. Thus enters Yoda, who takes on Palpatine while Anakin and Obi-Wan go at it.

Now heres where I think it changes. I think due to the rediculous amount of Force Tension in that one big lava chamber, it will start to erupt or splash up everywhere, and that is how Anakin will get injured. Maybe for some reason it will contiually splash him, but not a way that will kill him, just injure him. Seeing this, and the fact that the Lava is rising and they will all die, Obi-Wan and Yoda must escape, leaving the Emperor and Anakin undealt with, probably knowing it is futile to try and beat them. So they put their faith in the future, in something like Luke.

Wow, that was pretty good. I didn't know it was in me.

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

Quite right Streen! Perhaps though the whole deal about him being the Chosen One is that he always receives exactly the aid he needs at exactly the right time. Him being the Chosen One can serve to facilitate and demand any circumstance that causes him to survive.

For example if I'm destined for 1,000 dollars today, it's not going to just appear in my wallet or my bank account. Something will have to happen to facilitate that destiny, perhaps an armored car turns over and a nice wad of cash rolls my way LOL or I win some sort of contest.

By the way if you ever happen across money spilled all over the road from an overturned armored car just leave it there lol trust me if the authorities were to find out you took some, even if it seems like a one in a thousand chance they could, you're in some serious sh*t lol... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

pastacasa Iwas reading your post and came across where you talked about ridiculous amounts of force tension. LOL it got me to thinking just how insane the force levels in one centralized area given off by Palpatine, Anakin, Yoda, and Obi-Wan all together in that place at the same time, all exerting themselves lol I wouldn't wanna be in that room lol could you imagine?! Like some sorta sand storm you walk into it and your skin is torn off your muscle and skeleton lol. I'd hate to be a vornskyr (if anyone knows what that is from the EU) their brains would explode or something lol... (animals from the planet Mrkyr who are etremely sensitive to the force, not in that they can weild it LOL but in that they can literally feel it's presence as like a sixth sense)

[pudooku]

Originally posted by Darth Holmes+May 5 2004, 06:31 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Holmes @ May 5 2004, 06:31 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-DarthAnakin@May 5 2004, 03:23 PM
^ Well how do you think he gets out?
More importantly, how does he get out and stay alive? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

Perhaps clone troopers come to break up the party. Obi Wan and Padme flee and the troopers rescue Anakin.

Its hard to say since there have been like zero spoilers on the whole lava thing. In fact, I'm not even sure its been said that Anakin actually falls in the lava. He may fall onto a ledge or crevasse near lava which seriously burns him but doesn't incinerate him like if he were actually in the stuff, which of course makes more sense. [/b][/quote]
T'Bone has Ali's Whole Lava Love article on his site - it's one of the Spoiler Season series I think... There's plenty there.

I'll bet Anakin doesn't fall into the Lava - but Obi-Wan thinks he does. He'll fall onto a plateau and get burned there - saved by clone troopers and taken to Palpy. Like you say Holmes.

Pudooku

[Darth LeeHaas]

Lucas said Skywalker was hurt in his dual with Obi-Wan after falling in a Volcano, not necessarily a pool of lava.

[pastacasa]

The Senator from Terra,

I can see it now. A shot from the Lava Cave entrance. There is Force Lightning all around, wind is blowing papers and sand everywhere, and you can see two lightsabers going at it through the mist. with silhouettes of Yoda and Palpatine. Palps shoots some lightning at Yoda, misses, hits a garbage can, and you hear a cat meow or something, like in cartoons. *ROWR!* LoL

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

LMAO

by the way does anyone like my new avatar and tagline? lol DarthAnakin I'm looknig in your direction

[DarthAnakin]

^ Yeah actually I love your new avatar, deathsticks&cigarettes, I love them all! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Master_Mams]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Think about Gollum. He was toast in seconds. It would be rediculous to believe Anakin falls straight in, like Ripley in Alien 3. Even if he did, the time it would take him to be rescued would be too long and he'd be even more toasted than Gollum.[/b][/quote]

Absolutely right, and I do have a theory about it too.
Do you people remember that a long time ago back in tatooine anakin was a slave? Yes you do?
Ok so here is my catch: what the hell happenned to his slave bomb?
I came with that theory long ago, but think about it.
Why mention the bomb in the first place, if not to use it in a way or another?
Im sure that some of you will answer that the bomb was pulled of anakin when Qui gon won his bet with Watoo, but then again: why mention it then?
Lucas is a very clever screenwriter. I don't see him bring such a thing and not use it.
And by the way, anakin being the chosen one, obi wan could never beat him in a duel, maybe match him, but not beat him, not after 2 years of clone wars. Don't get me wrong: Kenobi is a jedi master yes, and very skilled with a lightsaber, but hes getting old, anakin on the other hand will be at the top of his craft, and the darkside is stronger.
What I believe is that someone will trigger the bomb during the duel, and then he will fall into the volcano pit.
But of course its just a theory....

[maddog62]

If that is the case then Yoda shouldn't be able to duel the broad side of a barn.

[jbird669]

Originally posted by Master_Mams@May 19 2004, 03:58 PM
Do you people remember that a long time ago back in tatooine anakin was a slave? Yes you do?
Ok so here is my catch: what the hell happenned to his slave bomb?
I came with that theory long ago, but think about it.
Why mention the bomb in the first place, if not to use it in a way or another?
Im sure that some of you will answer that the bomb was pulled of anakin when Qui gon won his bet with Watoo, but then again: why mention it then?
Lucas is a* very clever screenwriter. I don't see him bring such a thing and not use it.
And by the way, anakin being the chosen one, obi wan could never beat him in a duel, maybe match him, but not beat him, not after 2 years of clone wars. Don't get me wrong: Kenobi is a jedi master yes, and very skilled with a lightsaber, but hes getting old, anakin on the other hand will be at the top of his craft, and the darkside is stronger.
What I believe is that someone will trigger the bomb during the duel, and then he will fall into the volcano pit.
But of course its just a theory....
the slave bom thing was put in the film to show what kind of kid he was, good with machines and fixing things; that he was special.
That's all the midichlorians were for: to show that he was, very powerful with the Force. That was the only purpose.

The problem with a lot of the theories that are unbelievable is that GL has made this thing exceedingly simple. All of these theories, some of which are MAD creative, are just too complex.

[pastacasa]

Great idea, Master Mams! I hadn't even thought of that. I suppose the question is 'who COULD trigger it?' I would hate to think that Wato is the one responsible for the downfall of the Jedi ;-)

How could GL play that, how could he bring it into the movie. He didn't mention it in AOTC, so perhaps he is hoping we will just forget about it. But you could have something there...

[T-bone]

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/e...ing_the_bug.htm (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/ep1/removing_the_bug.htm)

[Darth Holmes]

Originally posted by T'bone@May 19 2004, 12:31 PM
http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/e...ing_the_bug.htm (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/ep1/removing_the_bug.htm)
Its has also been stated officially, I believe by Pablo hidalgo, that the "bug" WAS removed in TPM, it just wasn't shown on camera. He said it was left to the audience to figure out it was gone when Anakin left Tatooine (or something to that effect).

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[Obidobi]

Originally posted by Darth Holmes+May 19 2004, 11:01 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Holmes @ May 19 2004, 11:01 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-T'bone@May 19 2004, 12:31 PM
http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/e...ing_the_bug.htm (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/ep1/removing_the_bug.htm)
Its has also been stated officially, I believe by Pablo hidalgo, that the "bug" WAS removed in TPM, it just wasn't shown on camera. He said it was left to the audience to figure out it was gone when Anakin left Tatooine (or something to that effect).

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif [/b][/quote]
He did...!
Look in the Q&A thread at the hyperspace section of the OS board!

[Master_Mams]

Well, I've got to say that I wasn't aware of this. Nevertheless, I still can not believe that Kenobi is going to win the duel...lol

[JKRich]

Originally posted by Master_Mams@May 21 2004, 10:43 PM
Well, I've got to say that I wasn't aware of this. Nevertheless, I still can not believe that Kenobi is going to win the duel...lol
Cant believe what.Obi Wan is a much better Jedi than anakin.I dont care if he is the chosen one he has many faults and i am sure they are what causes him to lose this duel.If it weren't for Palpatine intervening(saving his burnt a**) there would be no more "chosen one" thanks to Obi Wan style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[JKRich]

Plus Anakin was less than adequate against Dooku.Atleast Obi Wan held his own for awhile and dealt with the force lightning a whole lot better than Ani.

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by JKRich@May 21 2004, 11:20 PM
Plus Anakin was less than adequate against Dooku.Atleast Obi Wan held his own for awhile and dealt with the force lightning a whole lot better than Ani.
^ I guess Anakin has gotten alot more powerful during the Clone Wars.

[JKRich]

From what ive seen and heard i cant wait to see this battle. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

[DarthAnakin]

^ Yeah I hope it's not 12 mins of non-stop dueling though, there is so much to cover in epIII I hope they don't spend too long on the duel.

[JKRich]

^ I think there is going to be alot of important dialogue between these two.The duel will probably go back and forth with other action sequences as in the past.

[DarthAnakin]

^ That's what im hoping for.

[Master_Mams]

Originally posted by JKRich@May 24 2004, 09:19 PM
The duel will probably go back and forth with other action sequences as in the past.
One of the many stylistic storytelling rule of the Starwars movies is that there is never, ever, at all any flashbacks.
As a matter of fact the narrative mode represents the present.
As did the 30's & 40's tv serials that Lucas watched (and loved) back when he was a kid.
It is the same way with other Lucas scripts, like the Indiana Jones trilogy.
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[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by jbird669@May 19 2004, 06:47 PM
That's all the midichlorians were for: to show that he was, very powerful with the Force. That was the only purpose.
Wouldn't his power with the Force be the explanation for why he could survive falling in? I don't understand why it would be problematic for Anakin to survive that when he's one of the most powerful force users ever.

[JKRich]

Originally posted by Master_Mams+May 25 2004, 04:41 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Master_Mams @ May 25 2004, 04:41 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-JKRich@May 24 2004, 09:19 PM
The duel will probably go back and forth with other action sequences as in the past.
One of the many stylistic storytelling rule of the Starwars movies is that there is never, ever, at all any flashbacks.
As a matter of fact the narrative mode represents the present.
As did the 30's & 40's tv serials that Lucas watched (and loved) back when he was a kid.
It is the same way with other Lucas scripts, like the Indiana Jones trilogy.
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif [/b][/quote]
What i meant my back and forth was not a flashback.I meant like in AOTC You see Obi vs Dooku then Clones vs Droids etc. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[borgmatrix]

Originally posted by JKRich@May 25 2004, 10:27 PM
What i meant my back and forth was not a flashback.I meant like in AOTC You see Obi vs Dooku then Clones vs Droids etc. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
In AOTC, they only cut away from the lightsaber stuff once and that was to show what happened to Padme, which I thought was preferrable to how TPM and ROTJ were filmed. I hope epIII will be similar to AOTC and that they'll stick with the fight pretty much from start to finish. Given the intensity that'll likely be involved, I'd hate to lose that by switching to other scenes and back.

[DarthAnakin]

^ I would like to see the fight interupted a bit like in TPM.

[JKRich]

Originally posted by borgmatrix+May 25 2004, 07:16 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ May 25 2004, 07:16 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-JKRich@May 25 2004, 10:27 PM
What i meant my back and forth was not a flashback.I meant like in AOTC You see Obi vs Dooku then Clones vs Droids etc. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
In AOTC, they only cut away from the lightsaber stuff once and that was to show what happened to Padme, which I thought was preferrable to how TPM and ROTJ were filmed. I hope epIII will be similar to AOTC and that they'll stick with the fight pretty much from start to finish. Given the intensity that'll likely be involved, I'd hate to lose that by switching to other scenes and back. [/b][/quote]
Unless those scenes include another duel involving Yoda,Sidious,Windu,Grievous etc. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

[T-bone]

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[Ewok Hater]

But to the average movie viewer, Anakin & Obi-Wan are friends & fighting on the same side. I don't think we'll see any of the DUEL in the early trailers; otherwise, they'll have to explain or add Anakin turning on Obi-Wan, which I don't think they'll add.

By the way, and word on HOW exactly Anakin falls into the lava? Does he slip? Does Obi Wan cut off his leg, making him fall? Do some of the rock near Ani explode due to the lava, causing him to fall in? Any ideas?

[Darth Holmes]

Originally posted by Ewok Hater@Jun 4 2004, 09:26 AM
But to the average movie viewer, Anakin & Obi-Wan are friends & fighting on the same side. I don't think we'll see any of the DUEL in the early trailers; otherwise, they'll have to explain or add Anakin turning on Obi-Wan, which I don't think they'll add.

By the way, and word on HOW exactly Anakin falls into the lava? Does he slip? Does Obi Wan cut off his leg, making him fall? Do some of the rock near Ani explode due to the lava, causing him to fall in? Any ideas?
Its still unknown exactly how he gets burned.

Personally, I'm not even sure he actually falls in the lava itself.

[RustyMuffler]

He falls off his hoverboard! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif Hilarity ensues.

-- Rusty

[Jacen Solo]

It's too bad Natalie Portman couldn't tell us, or rather, was reluctant to tell us more about the epic duel.

[JEDI mind trick]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

[RustyMuffler]

I agree with JEDI mind trick. I think he has a hell of a point and it's about time that someone brought this up in the Star Wars community.

Here, here good man!

-- Rusty

[JKRich]

Originally posted by Darth Holmes@Jun 4 2004, 11:34 AM


Its still unknown exactly how he gets burned.

Personally, I'm not even sure he actually falls in the lava itself.
However he gets burned by the lava i'd have to think it is quite a bit to do such extensive damage.

[Grakkel]

New footage of this epic confrontation on the Star Wars DVD trailer on Hyperspace...

[Obidobi]

Merged with the topic: "The duel"

[Sith_Mikeximus]

Originally posted by Ewok Hater@Jun 4 2004, 11:26 AM
But to the average movie viewer, Anakin & Obi-Wan are friends & fighting on the same side. I don't think we'll see any of the DUEL in the early trailers; otherwise, they'll have to explain or add Anakin turning on Obi-Wan, which I don't think they'll add.

By the way, and word on HOW exactly Anakin falls into the lava? Does he slip? Does Obi Wan cut off his leg, making him fall? Do some of the rock near Ani explode due to the lava, causing him to fall in? Any ideas?
Actually, showing parts of Anakin and Obi Wan dueling in a trailer would be a great way to stir interest in the average movie goer. If the average movie person, does not fully know of Anakins transformation yet, then when they see the trailer, they would want to know to why they were dueling. It would peek a little interest in that people, would want to see the explanation as to what they saw in the trailer. So if it is done smartly, the Anakin/Obi Wan duel could be a smart marketing tool, not only to further tease the the Star Wars fans that will definitely be there, but to get others interested who normally are not that aware with the story...

[Sith_Mikeximus]

Originally posted by Ewok Hater@Jan 27 2004, 12:41 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE for this duel to be incredible with plenty of action and emotion. However, if it's too incredible, it weakens the Episode 4 duel which is arguably the more important of the 2.
I am reading through this topic, and noticed your post. GL has been asked before as to why all the prequel duels are so spectacular, and the OT duels are very very slow compared to the PT, and his answer has been that because of the fact that Vader never had anyone to fight, his skills diminished over time. Same with Obi Wan, and Luke was basically still learning, that was his answer to why the duels look different between trilogies....

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sith_Mikeximus+Jun 5 2004, 04:01 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sith_Mikeximus @ Jun 5 2004, 04:01 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ewok Hater@Jan 27 2004, 12:41 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE for this duel to be incredible with plenty of action and emotion. However, if it's too incredible, it weakens the Episode 4 duel which is arguably the more important of the 2.
I am reading through this topic, and noticed your post. GL has been asked before as to why all the prequel duels are so spectacular, and the OT duels are very very slow compared to the PT, and his answer has been that because of the fact that Vader never had anyone to fight, his skills diminished over time. Same with Obi Wan, and Luke was basically still learning, that was his answer to why the duels look different between trilogies.... [/b][/quote]
Yea, Lucas has said that the duels in the PT are showing the Jedi in their prime. If you think about, it makes sense because by the time OB1 and Vader fight in ANH, their much older and it's been so long since either of them have fought anyone using a Lightsaber.

[Master_Mams]

I agree, as Ben kenobi said, Vader is more a machine than a man now, and also think about the lack of movement allowed from the suit.
Instead of using a quick form of lightsabre combat as Anakin does in the prequels, in the original trilogy Vader uses a slow and powerful saberstyle, reminiscent of the samurai's Katana style.

(If you are interrested by the Forms Of Lightsabre Combat, check this great reference thread! HERE!! (http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=9676667&replies=56) )

I believe that the episode 3 duel & the episode 4 duel are going to be different, the first one being wild, trashy and reckless while the second one is slow and wise like a chess game.
Keep in mind that GL loves that ying and yang/balance thing in starwars.

[bous]

Your powers are weak old man

It's like the guy in black said, he wasn't the guy anymore he was during their climactic battle in EP.III. He had some other surprises up in his sleeve though.

[StarWarsFan1]

EP3 will have the most and the best duels ever. I think we will also see, mace fight sidious(palpe) and anakin fight dooku at the same time. That would be Fin great.

[T-bone]

Bump: Anakin vs. Obi-Wan

[JediBendu]

he's a rumour posted over at AICN about how the duel could start -

'It's either him or me'

The Sh*t hits the fan when Natalie Portman walks in and confronts Anakin in room reminiscent of the Death Star in the original movie, only more worn and weathered looking. Her and Hayden start arguing about Ian McDiarmid's character (palpatine) and the power that he will not relinquish. Hayden is pretty pissed that she is not supporting him by supporting Palpatine, and Natalie is adamant that Hayden help her in opposing him. She basically tells Anakin 'It's either him or me'. They argue for a bit until he totally loses his cool and pulls a Vader force-choke on here. and at this moment, Obi-Wan walks in, rushes Anakin (causing him to lose his grip on Natalie) and the fight is on.


style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif does have a ring of truth to it I suppose

[Lord Ulic]

If he chokes her I really want Obi-Wan to give him the beating of his life. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[JediBendu]

Obi-Wan could walk in to see padme dead on the ground with anakin standing over her style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif

[bendu]

I dunno, I don't care how far gone Anakin is at that point in the movie. Padme is the one that keeps him sane and he loves her dammit. I would hate for him to be given the abusive husband role. Despite the fact that he becomes evil, he supposed to still be a sympathetic character I think. By having him harm or even kill Padme tarnishes his character too much. Good story telling would be to have the audience hate what is happening to Anakin, but allow them to still feel for him. It is only when he is the faceless monster of Darth Vader that he should be a full fledged villain.

[DarthSolo]

I think it would fit the character turning, if the story was told right, when he chokes her. Sometimes, in anger, people lash out the hardest on those closest to them. That is very likely what the duel is about, too, obi-wan and anakin, best friends, fighting to near death!

[coulter]

How hard will Kenobi try to convince Anakin to return to the light side? I'm guessing pretty hard at the point in the trailer where it looks like Old Ben is about to get head his cut off by a lightsaber. But it looks like, also from the trailer, and the "eyes" scene of Ani is apparently not totally confirmed to be a dream, like he looks really damn evil.
So, if it is a dream, will we see his eyes looking yellow and evil in EP3. I'm just chillin watching the end of Jedi and decided to ask you guys this.
Another thing- I notice how cocky and confident Luke speeks, kinda like his old dad did back in the younger days. Peace.

P.S. - not a hyperspace member, what did the Clone War preview pics of whatever, look like? I heard they were cool but no specific details. Dont give me a hard time i'm a college kid how doesn't want to spend the 40 /year... but christmas is coming.

[coulter]

and "how" is supposed to be "who" duh..

[DarthSolo]

http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?sh...pic=12265&st=20 (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?showtopic=12265&st=20)
in that link i describe some of the preview clone war images.

as far as the main question, id say Obi-Wan is trying pretty freakin' hard the whole time. I think i heard there was alot of dialogue during the duel, and i imagine it will be alot of Obi trying to talk sense, and angry anakin rejecting it and complaining about the Jedi etc...

[Yoda-in-meditation]

The duel sounds cool!
Can't wait till the movie comes out!

[T-bone]

mods - merge this with the correct epic confrontations thread.

[Darth Palpy]

AS requested Masterrrrrr !

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[T-bone]

T-bump

[dFett]

Most of all in the Anakin/Obi-wan duel i want to see dissaray. I don't want it all to be graceful swondmanship. I want some of that but I want it to be, well violent. I want to see anakin loose composure and swing wildly a few times. I love for example that we already know they use their fists. I have this image in my head of Anakin swinging harder than he even has to but Obi wan ducks and anakins lightsaber completely sears through some huge structure. I want to see Anakin's strength, I want to see his rage. I think the duel will deliver

[Xee Thot]

Originally posted by Master_Mams@Jun 7 2004, 12:56 AM
I agree, as Ben kenobi said, Vader is more a machine than a man now, and also think about the lack of movement allowed from the suit.
Instead of using a quick form of lightsabre combat as Anakin does in the prequels, in the original trilogy Vader uses a slow and powerful saberstyle, reminiscent of the samurai's Katana style.

(If you are interrested by the Forms Of Lightsabre Combat, check this great reference thread! HERE!! (http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=9676667&replies=56) )

I believe that the episode 3 duel & the episode 4 duel are going to be different, the first one being wild, trashy and reckless while the second one is slow and wise like a chess game.
Keep in mind that GL loves that ying and yang/balance thing in starwars.
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As for "defining forms" or putting similar lightsaber styles on groups, that thread and it's source is something one can rely upon on a categorization. However lightsaber master of the real world Nick Gillard pointed out in one of his hyperspace chats that there isn't any of that in reality. What he does is create a style that reflects the character's personality on it.

And as he said, Mace's style is unique and mostly developed by the mean motherwatchyourmouth that Samuel Jackson is and Mace's rank as second best to Yoda. Paraphrasing Nick (adapted from the top of my mind) "Mace's style, well, I mean it's Samuel Jackson, he's got to be deadly, he attacks to kill. Doesn't waste energy on being flashy and the such. And SLJ has his own style as he is a big fan of samurai movies..."

So, to each character and actor, it's own style. I'm not saying that it can be categorized on the 7 forms, but one has to have in mind that it is a categorization like one in a library, a genre of movie, a generalization, putting things that look alike on a group.

[PanickinSkywalker]

Hi All,
I think the main reason the OT fights are slower is because it's impossible to see out of the Vader mask. The sets in ESB and ROTS are very dark and Prowse should be commended for delivering what he did. Just after ROTJ Prowse did a tour (in the Vader suit) of toy shops to raise money for childrens cancer charities. I was 13 in a well lit toy shop and someone had to hold his arm and place his pen on the pad because he couldnt see it. As a result I obtained an Autograph 'Darth Vader' that resembled the scrawl of a bum on acid. Was still amazed at the size of the guy though. Even though I knew it was a costume, being led into a private area and coming face to face with DV was scary. Good job there was an assistant to save me in case he got the urge to choke the living daylights outa me.

[Master_Mams]

Originally posted by Xee Thot+Jan 15 2005, 06:44 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xee Thot @ Jan 15 2005, 06:44 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Master_Mams@Jun 7 2004, 12:56 AM
I agree, as Ben kenobi said, Vader is more a machine than a man now, and also think about the lack of movement allowed from the suit.
Instead of using a quick form of lightsabre combat as Anakin does in the prequels, in the original trilogy Vader uses a slow and powerful saberstyle, reminiscent of the samurai's Katana style.

(If you are interrested by the Forms Of Lightsabre Combat, check this great reference thread! HERE!! (http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=9676667&replies=56) )

I believe that the episode 3 duel & the episode 4 duel are going to be different, the first one being wild, trashy and reckless while the second one is slow and wise like a chess game.
Keep in mind that GL loves that ying and yang/balance thing in starwars.
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As for "defining forms" or putting similar lightsaber styles on groups, that thread and it's source is something one can rely upon on a categorization. However lightsaber master of the real world Nick Gillard pointed out in one of his hyperspace chats that there isn't any of that in reality. What he does is create a style that reflects the character's personality on it.

And as he said, Mace's style is unique and mostly developed by the mean motherwatchyourmouth that Samuel Jackson is and Mace's rank as second best to Yoda. Paraphrasing Nick (adapted from the top of my mind) "Mace's style, w