MULTIMEDIA: Spiderman

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">I love Spider-Man. It is awsome. The Movie rocks. Are there any other fans out there?</span></font>

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah I'm a huge fan of the old comics, I have the first 30 issues in mint condition, I loathe the moive, I think it was absolutely horrific, terrible acting, terrible effects, terrible movie props, and they changed way to much of the story, I hated it, but I have faith that the sequels may be better, however, only if someone that know's how to make action films directs it, Sam Raimi had never made anything but chick flicks before, and that is why it wasn't very good.

The only reason it did so well is because people have been waiting for years to see SPidey on the big screen, they wanted whatever they could get.

I was in line opening day, and the funny thing is, all of the kids that were dragged down to the theater with their parents were all talking about how cool Attack of the Clones was going to be, they even continued to do so during the movie.

[Brian]

I will be picking up the Spider-Man DVD tomorrow as soon as Blockbuster opens.

With the anticipation of this DVD out of the way, I get to wait 12 more days for the AOTC and LOTR Extended Edition DVDs!

P.S. Bond, what movie were you watching? The effects for Spider-Man were excellent! They were up there with AOTC, or better.

[Darth Vegas]

No they were not O-B-Gates, they were incredibly cartoonish and absolutely fake and gay. Even the filmmakers were dissapointed. Perhaps you should look more closely next time you see the film.

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[Jedi D'oh]

Dude, what planet are you from Bond? HatestuffIV?

Spider-man was a well done movie. The story only had very minor changes in it, and only 1 scene that I'd say was fake looking.

When MJ was being attacked in the alley and SM came to save her, that part looked as bad as Ani on the back of that beast on Naboo.

[Phantomised Menace]

SM is great. Haven't seen the movie, but they'll release the DVD next week so that solves that....I just hope that Venom would be in the sequels

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by jedi-d'oh@Oct 31 2002, 05:58 AM
Spider-man was a well done movie. The story only had very minor changes in it, and only 1 scene that I'd say was fake looking.

When MJ was being attacked in the alley and SM came to save her, that part looked as bad as Ani on the back of that beast on Naboo.
First off:

They changed a whole lot of the story.

MJ and Goblin Juinor were dating, and he had a drug problem, that wasn't in the movie.

The spider was not a genetically enhanced super spider, it was a radioactive spider, Peter had been on a field trip, he was reporting in the school paper about a new invention, and the spider accidentally went throught the beam and bit Peter, they changed the whole thing.

Peter built artificial web shooters which he wore on his wrists, the webbing was not a part of his anatomy after his accident.

Peter made his costume out of an old swim suit, he did not sit down and make sketches and design it.

The Green Goblin did not have super strength.

The film ruined the comic, when it should have brought the comic to life.

Also the bit when MJ got attacked in the alley was one of the few good effects shots in the movie, simply because it looked so much like what they had in the old comics.

The fake crap was during every stupid run in with the Green Goblin.

[Brian]

When MJ was in the alley and it was raining, that was a good thing...

[Darth Vegas]

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[Jedi D'oh]

OK. I'm not trying to get in a whizzing contest with you, Bond. Know that from the start. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

MJ and Harry WERE dating in the movie, and the drug thing....I don't remember if it was in the movie, but what with D.A.R.E. and all that jazz, no suprise.

Yes, I know the story in the comics, but they just hiteched it for the new times.

On the webshooters, an interview i read stated that the fact Peter took on all other aspects of a spider, why not also the ability to produce his own web, as all spiders do.

The costume is a minor thing, big deal how it took form.

Goblin DID have super strength, got it from the serum he developed, how else could he take a punch from Spidey?

The film stayed fairly true to the comic. Excpet for the Goblin's costume. That was the result of a stormtrooper raping a power ranger.

Not EVERY run in. But I do agree with you about that.

So, in short, apologies for other stuff (you know what I mean)and let's have a nice day! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>On the webshooters, an interview i read stated that the fact Peter took on all other aspects of a spider, why not also the ability to produce his own web, as all spiders do.[/b][/quote]

Yeah, but spiders produce webbing from a gland near their mouth. If they wanted to be accurate in that sense, he would have barfed the webbing up.

They should have stuck with the origianl stroy from the ground up.

You don't take the most popular comic series of all time and butcher it like that, you just don't.

[Vibroblade]

Not a comic reader so that didn't have any impact on me.

Loved the movie. As much or maybe more so than AOTC. Not because it was a better movie, but, face it, SW has not got the wonder it once had. Before you attack me, let me say, it's not because I think that AOTC is inferior to the originals. It's 25 freaking years old! It's impossible to have the whole feeling of discovery that makes an original great in the 5th sequel/prequel. Spidey had that feel and because of that I fear I won't like the sequel nearly as well. Because, if you take away the "wonder" effect, the movie is simply so-so.

The effects in Spidey were adequate but certainly no where near the level of AOTC. Like all SW movies, 90% percent of the effects in SW go completely unnoticed as effects.

I said the same thing when TPM came out. Had the voters for the Oscars really understand just how much different the movie looks without any effects it would have trounced The Matrix. There are 2000+ effects shots in both prequels and what, maybe 10-20 look "fake"? Thats a pretty d@mn good ratio.

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms"> Well I too thought Spiderman was pretty damn kewl and Moo and I will definetely be getting the DVD.

I thought the effects were pretty decent considering the tough job they had to do. There were a few crappy scenes, but for the most part, Spidey moved as spidey is sposed to move.

Well I hope your not a Hulk fan Bond, because if you hate the changes in Spiderman you'll be absolutely disgusted with Hulk. They've completely trashed his origin.

I think Raimi did a good job of updating Spidey without straying too far from his origins. Besides, the comics writers have no qualms mucking about with the character themselves. For instance the explanation as for how Spidey can walk up walls has been tinkered with a couple of times at least. And as for the Goblin death scene being done in by his glider, that was actually TRUE to the comics. I think Raimi blended old and new pretty well and I look forward to the sequel. I haven't enjoyed a film as much as I enjoyed Spidey since I went to see the Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition on the big screen.

Vibro I completely understand what your saying about Spiderman and Ep2. I told Moo after we saw Spiderman that I probably enjoyed seeing that more than I did Ep2!</span></span>

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">I liked the idea of having Spider-Man shoot webs out instead of him building his web shooters. And in Spider-Man 2 Harry will begin to take drugs, also in Spider-Man 2 the Black Cat is suppose to be in it. There is a rumor going on that Venom might be in Spider-Man 3. If there is one.</span></font>

[Phantomised Menace]

I hope that Venom would be in it, he's the best style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[QuigonWindu]

That was a great movie. Great acting, special effects, costumes, story, everything.

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Yea Venom would be awesome! I thought that the bad guy for 2 was gonna be Doc Oc though. Although I heard that Black Cat was gonna be in it too.

Any of you reading the Spiderman Black Cat mini series! Shocking stuff in number 3!!!!!!! Hurry up Spidey you gotta save Cat from being raped!!!!!!!!!!!</span></span>

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Yeah, Venom rocks. I can't wait to see his Ultimate verison. Hey if anyone wants to talk on a Spider-Man Message Board go to my profile and go to that address and it will take you to my Spider-Man Message Board. I just started it yesterday so there is not that many people.</span></font>

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Dr. Octopus is the bad guy for Part 2 so is The Lizard. There is also going to be cameos by other villians.</span></font>

[Brian]

The DVD is out right now! I am going to get it in a few minutes.

[Jedi D'oh]

I will be picking mine up soon as well.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">I'll be getting my soon. I can't wait to watch it again.</span></font>

[Jedi D'oh]

Me neither. Anyone know if the scene with the twin towers that they cut out is on the DVD anywhere?

[Brian]

The special features are cool if you like comics. If you are indifferent, like me, then they can be boring. The movie is cool and that video for the song "Hero" is awesome!

Now the count down is in affect for AOTC on DVD! Only 12 days left!!!

[Jedi D'oh]

ONLY 1DAY LEFT FOR ME!!!! I get the Imax experience tomorrow!!

[QuigonWindu]

I'm gonna get it I just don't know when.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">I have it! I'm about to watch it.</span></font>

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The film stayed fairly true to the comic. Excpet for the Goblin's costume. That was the result of a stormtrooper raping a power ranger.[/b][/quote]

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Bond, apart from the web-slinging aspect, the departures from the comic that you are griping about are miniscule. Also, please tell me what 'chick flicks' that Sam Raimi is known for? C'mon, at least know what you're talking about before you talk, ok?

I hope that they stick to just one villian in the sequel. Multiple villians lead to horrendous films like the Batman sequels. UGH! That said, I say they should go with the Lizard. They already mentioned Dr. Connors in the first film, so why not? Then again, it's already established that Harry Osborn and Peter Parker will have to clash at some point.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">I don't think they need to stick with just one villian. That would be boring. They need to have Doctor Octopus and The Lizard in part 2. It was different with part 1 because that was the Green Goblin.</span></font>

[Darth Drew]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:limegreen">I havn't seen the movie yet. I have the game and it's great, I beated it in a week.</span></font>

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Yeah, The Spider-Man Game is awsome. I'm beat Spider-Man for PS2 in 3 days. I'm getting an Xbox for Christmas, so I'm going to buy Spider-Man for the Xbox cause it has extra levels. You get to battle Kraven The Hunter.</span></font>

[Darth Vegas]

The sequel needs to be right after the first film.

Villians I'd like to see in other sequels:

King Pin

Mysterio

Scorpion

Doc Oc

The Lizard

Shocker

Venom

Carnage

Spidey had some great villians.

After veiwing the film for the second time recently, I'll say that it isn't as bad as I previously made it out to be, but I'd still rather watch the first two Superman and Batman movies, and X-Men any day over Spiderman.

Gollafett, Raimi had never made an action film before Spiderman, that's what I meant, the chick flick commment is something that I heard from a friend, I never looked into it.

But the fact remains, that Goblin looked completely fake everytime he was in flight, and the mask was retarded.

It would have been better if Goblin just wore the little goggles and face covering that the guy testing the suit out at the beggining of the film wore.

It was the mask that ruined it for me, and the whole webbing thing.

I geuss the point was to suggest that since Peter had all the other spider abilities, why not make webbing on his own, instead of some device?

But an anatomically correct Spiderman would have the webbing coming out of his butt.

[Admiral Piett]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=green)'>I've been watching it religiously since I got it last friday</font>

[CuppaJoe]

<span style="color:blue">Hey I like Spider-Man, not much of a fan, don't like the comics that much, but I like the movie.</span>

<span style="color:green">You Can Stand Me Up At The Gates Of Hell But I Won't Back Down.</span>

[Shoma Barad]

I'm a big time Spidey fan. I read the comics (just spent $50 today on them actually), and I adore the movie. There's nothing like actually seeing Spidey web-slinging through the NY skyline... it's awesome.

The changes to the story make the film film better suited to a modern audience, IMHO. Radiation was a hot topic when Spidey was created- ot it's genetics and cloning. It allows people a good, solid, relevant entry point, that doesn't stray too far from the 'real' story.

I would have preferred something that stuck closer to the books in terms of Peters love interests (Gwen, Liz and MJ). The Goblin story around Gwen and the bridge is way more powerful, i think.

Personally, I don't want to see Venom in the next film. And I don't want two villains- not yet anyway. Doc Ock would be kewl to see... personally, not a big fan of the Lizard.

Also, they got brand new writers for the sequel- the guys who write 'Smallville'. The reports of Ock and Lizard being in the next film come from the first draft- and the indication is that they've scrapped alot of that draft and started fresh.

~~Shoma

[Brian]

Whoa! You've been M.I.A. for a while. Good to see you back (even thought I don't know you that well). Hehe.

[Shoma Barad]

Lets just say I took a few pages out of a fantastic EU book, "Traitor", and did a bit of a Jacen Solo for a while.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif lol

~~Shoma

[Tovor]

Bump. Title has been changed by request, so everyone take notice.
Never mind, title has been changed back. Carry on, go about your business, there is nothing to see in this message.

[Shoma Barad]

LOL... Tovor... ever efficient, as always!!!

I'd like to see them do a HUGE cross over in a few years... do a Daredevil Trilogy, the X-Men Trilogy, Spidey Trilogy, finish the Hulk, do a Captain America film (which is like the new comic), an Avengers movie (like "The Ultimates" series)... then, bring them all together in one film for a HUGE super battle.

THAT would be incredible.

King Pin probably won't show up in a Spidey flick, because he's in the Daredevil film. And I've always viewd Venom as being a bit like Boba Fett- hes the fan-boys favourite Spidey villain (no offence). The Green Goblin is the ultimate villain- and Harry Osborn is next in line to don the mask, er, armour now, i guess... lol

Bring on Heather Graham as Gwen Stacey... grrrrowlll...

~~Shoma

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

I have to agree about having two villains, I think one is much better. I'd be happy with just Doc Ock.

Hehe yea Bond, I'd have words with your bud I wouldn't exactly call the EVIL DEAD series chick flicks. I'm sure Bruce Campbell would disagree with that term. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

LOL Shoma, Moo was more than happy with MJ especially of course the wet alleyway scene! </span></span>

[Streen]

I'm a big Spider-Man fan. Of the comics I mean, not that triffling film adaption. F/X aside, the movie was mediocre at best.

1. Kristen Dunce as Mary Jane. Not only does her cigarette stained duck-toothed smile disgust me,but she bears no semblance to the Mary Jane of the comic. Real Mary had attitude and spunk. Kristen Dunce.......you can pratically make a snack tray out of the cheesiness of her performance. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif Sarah Michelle Gellar or Alicia Witt should have got the role.

2. No Gwen Stacy....I can understand that 30 years of events can't be captured in 2 hours, but it would have been better if she was in it.

3. Tobey MCguire.....was ok, but that's it.

I saw it 3 times in theartres as opposed to the 15 times I saw the summer's real movie (take a wild guess). I got AOTC on DVD, but I wouldn't touch Spider-Man '02 with a 10 foot pole! Bleh

-Streen

[Justin]

I thought Joseph Gordon-Levitt (3rd Rock From the Sun) would have been a good Spiderman. Tobey McGuire is kind of...eh.

I also thought a lot of the Spider-man movie was cool, but a lot of it was really lame. Mostly lame dialogue, like the Green Goblin singing "the itsy bitsy spider."

I was telling my sister that it would have been cooler if instead of wearing a cheesy mask, the Green Goblin would physically transform when he got angry or was seized by psychosis. Like it was a side effect of the chemicals he injected himself with and the gas he inhaled.

That way you could actually see his expressions. Where did he get that mask anyway?

[Phantomised Menace]

Originally posted by Justin@Nov 15 2002, 03:55 AM
Where did he get that mask anyway?
From a serial box ? :look:

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Justin that is how Ultimate Spider-Man is. Instead of Norman putting on a costume he injects himself with OZ and he transforms into a large Goblin. I love the Ultimate Spider-Man comics it's the coolest Spider-Man Comic ever! I have alot of the issues. December 18 Venom gets Ultimate.</span></font>

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Going up!</span></font>

[Queen 'Onna]

<span style="color:darkblue">I like the movie all the way untill the end.</span>

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Up! It's been confirmed! Venom and Carnage will be the villians in Spider-Man III! Jake Gyllenhall will be playing Carnage!</span></font>

[RollaFett]

Who the hell is Jake Gyllenhall?

I could do without those villians, I'm a big HobGoblin fan, but oh well.
I wonder now, though, if they're going to go ahead and intrduce the black Spidey costume in the next film? That led to the creation of Venom, which led to the creation of Carnage.

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

I LOVE the Black Spidey suit! </span></span>

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=bue)'><span style="color:white">The black costume will not be in Spider-Man 2. Part 2 is only going to deal with Doc Ock and Lizard. The black costume and all that will be in part 3.</span></font>

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

I know, I was just saying I like the black costume. My hubby loves the Alex Ross costume too. I think its pretty nifty myself.</span></span>

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Yeah the Alex Ross costume rocks!</span></font>

[Whisper]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Oct 31 2002, 04:44 AM
Yeah I'm a huge fan of the old comics, I have the first 30 issues in mint condition,





only if someone that know's how to make action films directs it, Sam Raimi had never made anything but chick flicks before, and that is why it wasn't very good.

Dude...you're a millionaire! The First 30 Issues of The Amazing Spider Man in MINT Condition?

Spidey One is 25,500 dollars in Near Mint...prolly double for Mint.

So...could I borrow a couple thousand? Have some stuff I need to take care of ya see...



Also, well, we're on the ourth page or so so this has prolly been commented on but have you ever heard of Army of Darkness? Sam Raimi films...definately not "Chick Flicks"

[Mann]

how does Obi-Wan know about the villains? Where was this annouced?

[Justin]

I know they're calling the next one The Amazing Spider-Man just like the comics. I think that should have been the title for the first one.

They should call the next ones after that The Spectacular Spider-Man and Web of Spider-Man like the comic book titles.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Obi-Wan@Feb 9 2003, 06:50 AM
<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Up! It's been confirmed! Venom and Carnage will be the villians in Spider-Man III! Jake Gyllenhall will be playing Carnage!</span></font>
No offense Obi-Wan, but that's BS. I don't know where you heard it.

Sam Raimi said it will be Doctor Octopus, and the Lizard to a lesser degree.

I hope they don't do like the Batman sequels and have multiple villains that all dominate the movies.

[Padme]

I can't wait to see Spider-Man 2.

[Mann]

ok, heard that they were making Doc Oc the villain, and then the lizard as well.

I heard Jake Gyllennhal will be in the sequel as a cameo. He will be set up for the next film. though, I've always imagined Carnage as a pure bent psychotic, laughing crazy and stuff. But I like Jake, he is good.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Justin pay attention to what I said in that post. "Spider-Man III" Not part 2 which comes out on May 7. Everything I said comes from the director himself.</span></font>

[Mann]

I agree with Justin about the Villains. I hope they don't dominate the film. I think Tobey MAguire handled his own in the first one.

Say, does anyone know who will play the villains? I know the Lizard will probably be CGI, but what about Doc Oc?

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Some dude in a S.O. was asked to play Doc Conners a.k.a. The Lizard. He hasn't said yes or no yet. And Alfred Molina has been asked to play Doc Ock.</span></font>

[Javen]

SpiderMan 2 will be the worst movie ever. The great Javen has spoken.

[Mann]

Spiderman 1 got an oscar nomination for Visual Effects BTW, you all must be pissed.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">What must we all be?</span></font>

[Mann]

For one, Spiderman beat out the more deserving Minority Report. Second, the effects for Spiderman weren't all that great as many have noticed.

[Javen]

Originally posted by Mann@Feb 12 2003, 10:16 AM
For one, Spiderman beat out the more deserving Minority Report. Second, the effects for Spiderman weren't all that great as many have noticed.
No kidding, they sucked. I have been saying that for oh I don't know since it came out.

[Justin]

Yeah, they were all just a CGI guy doing flips around a city. They do that kind of thing all the time.

And as for Carnage being a villain in one of the movies, I have to say: why??

Carnage is basically just a spin-off of Venom, because Venom became a good guy and Marvel wanted a Venom-like bad guy.

Why can't Venom just be the bad guy?

[RollaFett]

Yeah, I agree. Carnage is totally useless to the movies. Why not have Harry Osborn become the Hobgoblin or something, instead? The seed has already been planted that Harry has it in for Spidey.

[Whisper]

Venom was never really a Good Guy. And he's bad now as well.

As for why Carnage, it's not exactly cuz Venom became an Anti-hero, it's also cuz he's a LOT more powerful than Venom.

Stronger, and is not weak to Sound Waves. And Cletus Kassidy is down right INSANE.

And Carnage is almost Mr. Fantastic of the Symbiots. Carnage is a true Supervillian. I mean Maximum Carnage had that guy out to kill the world...not take it over...KILL THE WORLD...starting with NYC.

[RollaFett]

Ok, but if you have Carnage, then you would have to explain the origin of the costume, which means that you have to see Spidey wearing as well. Then it would go to Eddie Brock, who becomes Venom. Spidey and Venom have to fight for while, then Carnage has to come around at some point as well.
Basically, what I'm saying is that if you have both of those villians in the 3rd film, then it's going to become another, Batman and Robin. And that will suck.

[Justin]

There are so many other Spidey villains to choose from, why do they have to use a Venom knock-off?

[Whisper]

You obviously don't read too well Justin. Carnage is far superior a bad guy than Venom.

However as Gollafett said it would be too complicated for one movie. Especially since Venom and Carnage would never work together. They hate each other.

Now personally I like one major villian (No 2 Doc Ock) and perhaps a minor one as a tease, or cover for the Major (No2 The Lizard). I didn't like Batman Returns. Batman Forever handled the Two Villains a bit better, and then...then...Batman and Robin came...ugh.

If anything

SM2-Doc Ock (with a side story about him and Aunt May), and The Lizard. Perhaps have Kraven be a bad guy in the very begining, as a lead in to the true story.
SM3-Venom, Apperance by Hobgoblin
SM4- Electro, and The Sandman (They usually work together anyway) Appearance by Hobgoblin. Ends with Harry discovering Peter is Spidey
SM5- Peter and Mary Jane Marry. Harry as Green Goblin, Hobgoblin Appearance.
SM6- Hobgoblin. Infects Spiderman with a Virus before 'dieing'.
SM7- Mysterio, Chameleon. Doc Ock escapes The Vault, and after Spidey beats Mysterio and Chameleon to a pulp captures and cures Spidey of the Virus (this all happened...altered though of course)

Not exactly good on current but it could go on. I'd say with these you'd be able to go totally original (perhaps even an original bad guy) as of the 10th.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">I can't wait to see Venom and Carnage in Spider-Man III! Those two were always my fave Spider-Man villians! I can't wait to see them on the big screen! That's a good choice for Part 3. They don't need to bring back Green Goblin so early in the saga.</span></font>

[Whisper]

Having Venom and Carnage in the same movie would make for a very confusing movie to people that aren't avid Spidey fans.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">It won't be confusing. What's to be confused about? Venom and Carnage were in the comic together. Of course they weren't a team. It's gonna rock! I wonder if the Director will change the way Venom looks any?</span></font>

[Darth Vegas]

I hope he does.

Anyone seen Resident Evil? You know the creature at the end of the film? Remember how stupid (and how much like Venom and Carnage) it looked?

That just might be what we are in store for.

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[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Haven't seen the movie. It looks boring.</span></font>

[Whisper]

In order to show Carnage and Venom you'd have to show the origin of Venom, THEN the Origin of Carnage. Since Carnage was created MUCH later than Venom we'd have to cut inthe middle of a movie to do an origin of a guy that was used MUCH later than Venom and Spidey.

Sure it'd be easy FOR ME to follow, I have the orgins of Carnage in my collection...I have the First Venom. I KNOW this. My sister, or someone else that doesnt' know the comics will have no clue.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">The director has also read the comics. He knows how to do it. Or else he wouldn't have them in part 3.</span></font>

[Javen]

Originally posted by Obi-Wan@Feb 14 2003, 01:51 AM
<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Haven't seen the movie. It looks boring.</span></font>
You saw Spider-Man and thats boring.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">I thought Spider-Man rocked. Everyone has a right to think what they want to about a movie.</span></font>

[Javen]

Exactly right and Spider-Man was boring.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">If Spider-Man was boring why are you talking here?</span></font>

[Javen]

Because I can, just like you can post in every thread.

[Whisper]

Obi...you need to read people's post. It doesn't MATTER if the Director knows the stories. In fact Sam Raimi is not a Spider Man Fanatic. He's read some, but he's not an avid Comic reader.

The point I was making is that not all the people that see the movie are Avid Readers. Ask Joe Shmoe from Idaho who Carnage, or even Venom is, and you'd get very different answers.

The movies have to appeal to the gen4eral audience, and the general audience doesn't like to be confused.

This would confuse.

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

I agree with Moo and they need to only have one villain per movie or they'll end up going the sucky route of Batman.

If they are gonna have Venom in the next movie then they just need to have Venom they can save Carnage for the next one.

Apparantly the outline for Amazing is detailed enough for them to start filming. Filming has already taken place in Chicago for a scene where Spidey fights Doc Ock on top of a moving El-train.

Raimi had considered putting in the romance with May and Ock but opted not to so he could go for a younger actor to play Ock.

Also he has said there may be a scene in the sequel where Peter has to reveal his identity to Mary Jane.</span></span>

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by nerfer@Feb 14 2003, 07:39 PM
<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">I agree with Moo and they need to only have one villain per movie or they'll end up going the sucky route of Batman.</span></span>
Batman Returns rings a bell, as well as Batman Forever, both great films, both with two villians. Nuff' said.

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

On their own Penguin and Catwoman were great, but the movie suffered trying to split time between the two.

As for Batman Forever, I think it would have been better with just the Riddler, I didn't really care much for Two-face.

Amazing how in the first film Harvey Dent was black and then ended up white aint it.

I hope very much that if the Lizard is in it, its a reduced role.</span></span>

[RollaFett]

I could live with Venom, but please spare us the notion of Carnage! Have you considered the amount of backstory neccessary to have both of those villians?

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">It would probably be easy to do it. He could have Venom and Carnage both come at the same time.</span></font>

[RollaFett]

But why?!

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Why what? Why have Venom and Carnage in a movie? Because they are Spider-Man's coolest villians!</span></font>

[RollaFett]

Says you.

[Mann]

I agree, just one of the villians is good enough. Venom is the best villian by himself. If they try to make it both characters, then it won't work as well. Venom's origins take at least a whole movie. Carnage is a continuation of that.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Sam can have Carnage and Venom split up before Spider-Man finds his black costume. Than when Venom comes out, Carnage shows himself.</span></font>

[Mann]

Not to mention the other villain they need, the other green Goblin. They;ve hinted it so much in the last movie.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Green Goblin doesn't need to be back so early. There's going to be six movies.</span></font>

[Mann]

six movies? I've only yheard of three confirmed. At least with Tobey. Three is enough, or it will turn out like Batman and Superman.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">No there is going to be six. The first three will have Tobey in it, but after part 3 his contract is done, if he wants to come back he'll have to sign on for the final three. So will everyone else.</span></font>

[Mann]

like who would be spiderman after Tobey? I got it, let's get bad actors like Hayden Christensen




(just kidding)

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">I think Tobey and the rest of them will sign up for the final three. But there is something else that's weird. Willem Dafoe is also signed up.</span></font>

[Javen]

Originally posted by Mann@Feb 16 2003, 12:22 AM
six movies? I've only yheard of three confirmed. At least with Tobey. Three is enough, or it will turn out like Batman and Superman.
Speaking of Superman, Josh Hartnett will play the next Superman.

[Justin]

If that's true, then I will not go see that. That's just ridiculous.

[Mann]

Not JOsh! I heard it was that guy from the show Mutant X who was in serious consideration. Josh Hartnett doesn't even look like Superman.

[Mann]

you wanna know why Willem signed up? Because he originates the voice of the Green Goblin. When Harry gets haunted by him, it's the mask and voice that haunts him.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">I think Josh will be a good Superman, but I've never cared for Superman so I won't be seeing the movie.</span></font>

[Mann]

JOsh looks nothing like Superman.

[Whisper]

Josh is to..um...low key so to speak to be a superhero.

He'd be a great 'Alterego' type thing. Perhaps Rick Jones and Captain Marvel. Josh would play Rick, while some other guy played his 'other' self, aided by CG. I'm talkign the current Captain Marvel.

[Mann]

after his action stint in Pearl Harbor, I can't think of Making Josh anything but a pretty boy actor.

[Whisper]

Haven't seen Blackhawk Down huh?

[Mann]

Saw Black Hawk Down, Loved it. JOsh Hartnett was nothing in it. It was all Ridley Scott.

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms"> Yea I'd rather see a Batman movie done right! Don't let Joel Shumacher near Batman ever AGAIN!

They were gonna do Batman versus Superman, but Moo checked on it the other day and apparantly the studio thinks Superman is a better bet and are going ahead with the Superman movie. If that does well then we'll get Superman V Batman.

I'd prefer they skip Supes and just bring on the Batman!</span></span>

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">There are two Batman movies planned for release! Batman: The Frightening and Batman: Year One! I can't wait to see both of them! They have both been confirmed! So we'll be seeing two Batman movies! I can't wait!</span></font>

[Mann]

they killed year one. they only are going with one movie.

[Justin]

I think a Superman vs. Batman movie would have sucked.

I'd like to see another Batman movie done by somebody who takes it seriously, realizes the responsibility to the fans, and makes it as realistic as possible.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">No it was said a few days ago by WB that Year One is still being made!</span></font>

[Mann]

no, I saw on the Web that Year One was scrapped. They didn't want it. I heard they wanted only one movie, since the last one was baaaaaad.

I heard Guy Pearce is batman for one movies.

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">Fine. But I know what I read. And it was right from WB.</span></font>

[Justin]

Guy Pearce? What the hell? I heard Colin Ferril was going to be Batman, that would be kind of cool.

I think they should go with someone who isn't famous.

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

I think Moo checked on Batman Year One on Sunday and the site he checked said it had been scrapped in favour of a Superman movie.

I dunno Justin, the Batman V Superman comic was pretty good! But I would rather see a good Batman movie than Superman too.</span></span>

[The Prism]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">SPIDER-MAN SUCKED!!!!</span>

[Obi-Wan]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">I read that the director for Batman: Year One wants Kevin Conroy. As for Batman: The Frightening they should go with whoever is in Year One. They need to stick with just one actor.</span></font>

[Obi-Wan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Aronofsky is still attached to write and direct "Batman: Year One" for Warners.[/b][/quote]

<font style='width=80%; filter:glow(color=blue)'><span style="color:white">^That is what WB said! So Batman: Year One is being done. I found the quote on a Superhero movie website.</span></font>

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Batman Year One (http://www.batman-on-film.com/b5news.html)

Check out this link Obi Wan. Whilst WB are saying that they are still going ahead with the project, Aronfonsky's own site says he is no longer affiliated with the project and if it does go ahead it will not be with him as the director, so it currently looks like plans for Year One have been but on the back burner. Whilst that doesn't mean technically they aren't doing it, it means it won't be done anytime soon.</span></span>

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:blue">COLUMBIA PICTURES CATCHES ALFRED MOLINA AS VILLAINOUS "DOC OCK"

CULVER CITY, CA, February 19, 2003 - Alfred Molina (Frida, Identity) will join Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst and James Franco in Columbia Pictures' highly anticipated sequel to Spider-Man, it was announced today by Amy Pascal, Chairman of Columbia Pictures.

Molina will portray Spider-Man's new archenemy "Doc Ock" in the second installment to Columbia Pictures' 2002 worldwide phenomenon Spider-Man, which grossed more than $820 million worldwide and became the fifth highest grossing movie in U.S. history. Spider-Man is based on the classic Marvel Comic book series.

The sequel will reunite the cast and filmmakers from the original blockbuster, including Maguire, Dunst, and Franco along with director Sam Raimi, and producers Laura Ziskin and Avi Arad. Columbia Pictures co-president of production Matt Tolmach is overseeing development of the project for the studio.

Raimi will begin principal photography in April and the new film will be released in 2004.

"Alfred Molina has a remarkable facility for everything from classic drama to mainstream comedy and he is the ideal choice for 'Doc Ock,'" said Pascal. "We wanted an actor that would bring irresistible depth and dimension to this role and we are all tremendously excited to be working with Alfred."

We now know who is playing Doc Ock!</span>

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:blue">Here is the latest news update on Spider-Man II: They have spoke with Avi Arad and Lizard will not be in Spider-Man II. He won't even be mentioned. Only Doc Ock will be the villian! But we can except to see Venom and Carnage in Spider-Man III! Also Spider-Man II is no longer being called "The Amazing Spider-Man' They have dropped that idea. It's either going to be "Spider-Man II" or "Spider-Man II: something that connects with Doc Ock". I hope everyone enjoys this info. Look for more as the release of Spider-Man II gets closer.</span>

[RollaFett]

BBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The Amazing Spider-Man" was a great title! Dumba$$es.

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:blue">How's this for a scoop the day before Spider-Man 2 officially starts filming in New York? We're just received word from 'Farrah's Panties' (dig the name), what the rest of the cast looks like. There's some surprises waiting for you...

From the cast listing:
Dylan Baker has been cast as Curt Connors.
Donna Murphy has been cast as Rosalie Octavius.
Christina Della Rose and Susie Park are unnamed nurses.
Ted Raimi is back as Hoffman.
Willem Dafoe is listed as Norman Osborn.
Cliff Robertson is listed as Uncle Ben.

The "Head of State" star is an interesting choice for Curt Connors, aka The Lizard. Who is Rosalie, and how will Dafoe and Robertson appear in the sequel? Guess we'll soon find out.</span>

[Mann]

My guess is Dafoe and Robertson will appear in flashbacks or voiceovers. the Green Goblin voice is always the same, so Dafoe will have to do a few recordings for Harry's descent into insanity. Uncle Ben will be a flashback deal, I'm sure.

Dylan Baker is a very very good actor. I admit he wasn't the first choice, but looking back, he seems like the right choice. I mean, he plays the doctor part, not the CGI lizard.

Rosalie is Octavius' wife. PLayed by Donna Murphy of Star Trek: Insurrection (i hate it btw) fame (she was the chic Patrick Stewart liked).

[Darth Vegas]

New on set pics from the set of Spiderman 2, looks just as bad as the first.

http://us.imdb.com/Gallery?0316654

[Darth Coil]

Of all the movies that are to be released in the future this is one I'm looking the least forward to watching. They really should have gotten better actors. I mean, that little boy that plays Spiderman really can't act all that well!!!

And the special effects are kind of bad too compared to other movies that were released at around the same time.

This movie will probably suck just as much as the first one!!!

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Darth Coil@Apr 22 2003, 11:47 PM
And the special effects are kind of bad too compared to other movies that were released at around the same time.
The special effects were worst than movies released long before it too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

The worst thing was Green Goblin's design, just awful, I don't think there's any hope for the sequel being better.

[Darth Coil]

Yeah, I think so too but I'm trying to not offend anybody too much, because some people somehow found this movie great and awesome. I really can't understand why but they do. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Darth Coil@Apr 22 2003, 11:55 PM
Yeah, I think so too but I'm trying to not offend anybody too much, because some people somehow found this movie great and awesome.
Well you aren't bashing them, you're bashing the movie.

[Darth Coil]

Alrighty then.

The movie was a really big disappointment!!! I was looking forward to a movie of this animated series but they really screwed it up, it was horrible!!!

X-men is a great example of how it should be done, that movie was awesome!!!

This was the last thing I've said about it.

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:blue">Brooke Adams, who is cast in Spider-Man 2 and 'may' be playing the role of Felicia Hardy (though that's not confirmed yet). Oh, and Sony Pictures refers to the movie as Spider-Man II: The Amazing Spider-Man? Hmmm...</span>

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The worst thing was Green Goblin's design, just awful, I don't think there's any hope for the sequel being better. [/b][/quote]

check out green goblin, the costume is a metallic version of the suit he wears in the comics.

[Darth Vegas]

Uh Mann, what he's wears in the comics is not nearly as retarded looking, it was an awful design, period.

[Darth Insightful]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Apr 24 2003, 08:55 PM
Uh Mann, what he's wears in the comics is not nearly as retarded looking, it was an awful design, period.
How does a man in a green metallic suit of armor and a giant fin on his head not look retarded?

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:blue">I thought Green Goblin's movie costume rocked!</span>

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Obi-Wan@Apr 24 2003, 06:19 PM
<span style="color:blue">I thought Green Goblin's movie costume rocked!</span>
Well you thought the movie rocked too, and it really didn't, IMO. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:blue">I guess you don't know a good movie when you see one.</span>

[Darth Vegas]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[Darth Fabulous]

You have to admit Bond, you are kind of biased, you don't like anything.

[Darth Vegas]

Uh I don't think I've ever given that impression. I like alot of things, I just don't like the Spiderman movie.

[Darth Fabulous]

I know, I was kidding Bond. You do criticize a lot of stuff though, especially films.

[RollaFett]

Has anyone heard any updated news on the whether or not Toby Maguire is still doing Spidey 2? Last I heard, there was a chance he might have to bow out because of a bad back suffered while filming 'Seabiscuit'. Anyone hear anything lately?

[Mann]

He's shooting the movie, I've seen the clips

[JediJaina]

http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,...--16927,00.html (http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---16927,00.html)

Revealed the truth about Tobey Maguire's delaying Spidey

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

I feel really sorry for the guy! I mean its not like he wanted to delay filming because he wanted to go out drinking or partying.

He actually hurt himself!!!!!!! Boy the studio execs are butt wipes.</span></span>

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:darkblue">The only news I've heard is that Sony may lose the rights to Spider-Man! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif They will continue with Spider-Man II, but if this isn't settled then we won't be seeing a Spider-Man III!</span>

[JediJaina]

That would suck. I really enjoyed the first one.

[RollaFett]

JediJaina- Thanks for the info.
I can't believe they almost fired him! Although I really enjoyed the first film, it would've suffered greatly without Maguire's stellar performance. Thank goodness that he didn't get canned!
As for the Sony news, well, even if they lost the rights, I'm sure another studio will step up to take advantage of that money cow.

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:darkblue">Yeah, but still it might not be the same.</span>

[Mann]

well, if another studio gets the rights, I'm sure that Raimi will come with the deal, same with Maguire and Dunst. their contracts bind them to the films.

[JediJaina]

I'm so glad you said that. I think the casting has been perfect all the way through and I would hate another studio to tinker with it.

[Justin]

Originally they were thinking of casting Joseph Gordon-Levitt (from 3rd Rock from the Sun) as Peter Parker, but the studip wanted someone famous. I think he would have made a better Peter Parker/Spider-Man.

[Mann]

Ugh, no. He doesn't have the look. Peter Parker is exactly how tobey played him. I can't imagine anyone else.

[Jedi Killer]

he needs Tobey back cause this aint no Batman movies.

and if Dr Octopus is the villian, WATCH OUT cause this movie will rock. where i think the first one sucked and was too cheesy.

i dont know how the hell that movie made the most ever in its opening weekend. eh, the american public wouldnt know a good movie if it bit them square in the .....hey hey! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:darkblue">Yeah Tobey is the best Peter Parker/Spider-Man! No one can replace him! The first one rocked and no one has topped it yet! Spider-Man II will probably be even better!</span>

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Obi-Wan@May 16 2003, 10:08 PM
<span style="color:darkblue">The first one rocked and no one has topped it yet! Spider-Man II will probably be even better!</span>
Forgive me while I laugh... :roll:

Okay I'm done. :look:

[Mann]

ok, i forgive you for your lack of liking any movies. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Oh, and He's right, no one has topped it since.

[Darth Vegas]

Oh please, this is one of very few movies that I complain about.

As far as upening weekend dollars, no one has topped it yet, but I don't think Obi-Wan was only talking about dollars.

[Darth Vegas]

BTW, Reloaded beat Spidey's opening day record.

http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/archive/...053106056,79979 (http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/archive/fullnews.cgi?newsid1053106056,79979),

[Javen]

Yeah it was in the morning paper. 42 million or something.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@May 17 2003, 10:30 PM
Oh please, this is one of very few movies that I complain about.

As far as upening weekend dollars, no one has topped it yet, but I don't think Obi-Wan was only talking about dollars.
Excuse me while i laugh style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif okay, sorry but saying that this is just one of the few is ridiculous, you comaplin about everything.

and he was talking dollars, if you read it better.

[Darth Vegas]

What's there to read better? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The first one rocked and no one has topped it yet! Spider-Man II will probably be even better! [/b][/quote]

I don't think you even heard me right, read the bold lettering:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>As far as upening weekend dollars, no one has topped it yet, but I don't think Obi-Wan was only talking about dollars. [/b][/quote]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>you comaplin about everything.[/b][/quote]

If you say so.

[Mann]

But it's true. Everyone says you do.

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:darkblue">Spider-Man II is set to release on July 2, 2004. That's only 385 days 06:08:46 till Spider-Man II! I can't wait!</span>

[Mann]

They pushed it back two months.

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:darkblue">Here is an article put up by MTV:

— by Robert Mancini, interviews by Ryan Kroft


For Tobey Maguire, home is where the spandex is.

"It was great putting on the Spider-Man suit again. It was like coming home," Maguire said during a break on the Los Angeles soundstage where he and his colleagues are putting together the eagerly awaited sequel to 2002's "Spider-Man."

Happy as he may be, home has to be a scary place these days. If it's true that nothing, not even the smallest of actions, occurs in a vacuum, then the crafting of the sequel to one of Hollywood's biggest hits of all time must surely happen in a whirlwind. So, as Maguire, Kirsten Dunst and director Sam Raimi return to the business of making Spider-Man magic, the still-billowing winds of two other major action franchises are undoubtedly whipping through the set.

First "X2: X-Men United" arrived, heralded by many as far superior to its predecessor, and certainly a bigger box-office draw. Then "The Matrix Reloaded" unloaded, bringing a big opening but ultimately a collective shrug from moviegoers, who felt that the second act didn't measure up to the opener. So as the challenge of living up to both fan expectations and business expectations looms over the filming of "Spider-Man 2," those involved are doing everything possible to deliver a tighter, stronger and all-around better film and are finding comfort in the familiar faces and easy feelings that rule the set.

"It's nice because you come back to the same old family," Dunst said of the shoot. "It's like an old hat that you're putting on again. It just feels good, and it's a very mellow, relaxed set. I'm actually having much more fun on this one."

"It's good to be working on something I'm excited about." — Tobey Maguire

"I really love the script, and I like the team of people who are making the movie," Maguire said. "We get along very well, and it's a great atmosphere. Sam's a very funny guy and fun to work with and also very intelligent and has a great vision for this film. I love working with him, and he sets the tone for the whole set. ... It's good to be working on something I'm excited about."

The cast and crew of "Spider-Man 2" may be one big happy family, but it's one with some major secrets. To maximize the impact of their would-be blockbuster, the cast and crew are keeping details about "Spider-Man 2" under wraps. Cast members have been given personalized scripts with their names emblazoned on each page and are urged to shred discarded pages.

"We're trying to keep as many elements of the story secret as possible because we really want to surprise the audience," Raimi explained. "I want to entertain them on the day [it opens]. I want them to come in and see the movie and not really know anything about it. Nowadays, movie theatrical trailers give away so much and TV commercials give away so much. If there's anything left I can save for the audience to really give them the experience of the movie when they see it, that is what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to save that for them."

Here's what the gang is willing to divulge: it's two years later and Peter Parker is settling into his photography career (when he isn't wall-crawling) while Mary Jane Watson is finding some degree of fame as an actress. Each has grown, but in varying degrees. "She's a much stronger woman in this one," Dunst said of her Mary Jane. "She's, like, independent. She's doing her own thing. And she's waking Peter up in this one because she's becoming a woman and he's still kind of a little boy."

NEXT: Peter Parker is crushed by the weight of his responsibilities...</span>

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:darkblue">Spider-Man 2: Even More Amazing Part 2 of MTV article:

"[At the end of the last film], we left Peter Parker walking away from Mary Jane Watson, deciding that he would live his life in a responsible way," director Raimi explained. "So part two is really watching Peter Parker travel down that road of responsibility, and the weight of the responsibility really weighs down upon him. I think we'll see him crumble beneath the weight in this story, and sometimes we'll see him overcome that burden and persevere. It's really a journey toward responsibility."

That's all you'll get for now. Press harder and the Spidey crew retreats, saying they can't tell you what exactly what happens but that it's damn good.

"In my opinion, we're making a better film than the first one."" — Tobey Maguire

"I think it's a great story," Maguire teased. "It's a very good, complete story, so it'll be a satisfying movie unto itself. I think, in my opinion, we're making a better film than the first one."

Alas, in the world of big Hollywood blockbusters it takes more than a compelling story and a well-crafted script to reach the promised land. Raimi and company know this and have a few new tricks up their sleeves for "Spider-Man 2." Everything from the costumes to the sets to the special effects are being rethought this time around as the filmmakers try to build on the foundation of the first film. That means more location shoots in New York (to better capture the city), more intense effects work and a new type of Hong Kong wire work for Spider-Man's fight sequences.

"I've seen what they plan to do," Maguire said. "I'm not sure how they are going to do all of it, but it's pretty ambitious and pretty cool."

Even Spidey's blue and red suit gets an upgrade, to a degree. Don't expect a major-league makeover, but the suit's hues are darker and richer, its lenses are set flush against the rest of the mask (leaving behind the bulging eyes of the first film), and the black spider emblem on the chest is larger and more in line with Spidey's other bold features.

Much of this fine tuning, however, may have been lost on the few who have actually seen the new suit. "The changes were so subtle that there wasn't really an overall reaction from the crew," Raimi said. "Most of the crew didn't even know that the costume had changed. But those of us who deal with it on an intimate basis every day realized that we had been quite successful."

In addition to the new toys are some new faces, at least behind the camera. Returning to the Raimi fold is old friend Bill Pope, who worked on Raimi's 1993 cult classic "Army of Darkness" before going on to handle cinematography on the "Matrix" trilogy. "He's bringing a great visual style to the film that I think will be a great leap upward for us," Raimi said. Production designer Neil Spisak, who worked with Raimi on the first Spider-Man film as well as "Face/Off" and "Heat," is also back with the director.

"I think the scope of the picture will be a lot bigger," Raimi said.

Of course, Spidey's return to the screen also brings a new villain.

NEXT: Dr. Octopus puts his robot tentacles all over Spider-Man's girl...</span>

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:darkblue">It was pushed back so that it could not mess with the other movie Tobie had to do. Sam thought it was a good idea anyway, cuz it's the weekend of the fourth of July.</span>

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:darkblue">Spider-Man 2: Even More Amazing Part 3 of MTV article:

Our hero's new rival is Dr. Octopus, a man known to Spider-Man fans for his penchant for accessorizing with robotic tentacles. Stepping into the role is Alfred Molina, a richly talented thespian with a host of art-house gems on his résumé ("Chocolat," "Frida" and "Boogie Nights" among them), but whose big-budget bad guy experience is limited to playing Snidely Whiplash in 1999's "Dudley Do-Right."

"It really is an interdepartmental challenge to bring this villain to life." — Sam Raimi

"Fred's doing a fantastic job, really bringing this man to life, and I think it will be a great imposing villain that Peter Parker will have to face," Rami said. "He's one of the Spider-man favorite villains, at least one of my favorite villains. John Dykstra, our visual effects wizard, along with the help of Sony Pictures Imageworks, are really creating a fantastic vision of what Doc Ock could be.

"He was designed in this film by [production designer] Neil Spisak and [costume designer] James Acheson and by John and a number of artists. But all of the departments were working together toward bringing him to life on screen. Dykstra really had to accept that challenge with his visual effects, but also we've got a great team that's working the puppets that will be creating some of the motions of the arms. And wardrobe has a lot to do with the illusion of bringing Ock to life, so there really is an incredible amount of people that have to pull this off, obviously guided by the actor Alfred Molina. It really is an interdepartmental challenge to bring this villain to life."

So far the teamwork seems to be paying off. "He looks pretty cool," Maguire said of his onscreen nemesis.

"Whatever you can think of with all those hands is what he's doing to me," — Kirsten Dunst

Of course, the curtain of secrecy tumbles back down as soon as you try to unearth exactly what brand of evil the not-so-good doctor will deliver in the upcoming film, but Dunst is willing to offer at least a hint. "Whatever you can think of with all those hands is what he's doing to me," she said.

And when the wall-crawler swings his way through Manhattan in pursuit of Doc Ock, he won't be alone; Raimi's Spidey-cam has also been whipping through New York's concrete canyons. The unique rig may be one of Spider-Man 2's niftiest tricks: cranes perched on rooftops send a camera careening through New York's streets, replicating the moves of Spidey himself.

"Through using this device, John Dykstra and myself are able to get these fantastic swooping shots that we're going to be putting Spider-Man into," Raimi said of the rig, an early version of which was used for the famous last shot of Spidey's first flick. "We can control the pan from a remote head, and we can dip the camera down into traffic. It really is the first time we've got a device that can create for the audience the feeling of Spider-Man soaring through the city. We're really trying to up the ante, giving the audience the experience of being Spider-Man on a much more firsthand basis."

The early footage from the Spidey-cam is breathtaking, and when you throw in a new Spidey suit, a new villain and what insiders say is an especially strong script, Spider-Man's second round looks like it's shaping up to top the first. Of course, the true test won't come until the film hits theaters on July 4 of next year.

"I know what we're doing, and I can't wait to see it," Maguire said.

That was the final part of the article. More info as it comes in!</span>

[Mann]

I give you the best looking Villain on a poster:

http://www.superherohype.com/news/jul03/docockposter.jpg

[RollaFett]

Changed the costume, eh? I don't like the sound of that.

[Mann]

that pic of Doc Ock is outstanding. Spidey's costume didn't look too different in the pics of shooting.

[Justin]

I don't like the little lights on the ends of Doctor Octopus' tentacles. Otherwise that picture looks pretty cool.

[RollaFett]

Could someone provide a link, please?

[Mann]

This design of a villian is definatley an improvment since the green goblin costume was a disasterous take on trying to make him scary. Willem Dafoe is scary enough by himself. Alfred Molina will prove how underrated he isand he doesn't need a mask.

[Marbleman]

Look at this Trailer (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sony/spiderman2/)

Well, there is probably another thread for this but I'm not going to dig it up. So there. Is this movie going to be any good? What do you think?

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[Mann]

OMG YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!

The car in the window looked amazing!

Alfred molina is going to be the best villian!

[Marbleman]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 15 2003, 01:37 AM
OMG YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!

The car in the window looked amazing!

Alfred molina is going to be the best villian!
I believe it. Better than the Green Goblin anyway.

[Darth Vegas]

At least he looks alot better than Gobby.

Not really looking forward to seeing this, didn't like the first one much at all, I'll see this if someone else pays - and hopefully it'll be better than the first.

BTW - the trailer premieres in theaters in front of ROTK.

[Darth Darthy]

Yeah, the first one was alright but nothing special - the end is very, very bad.

This one looks like it'll be better though.

[Gazelle]

The trailer hasn't excited me particularly.

[Siri Ruane]

That sucked.

[Whitesaber]

I'm avoiding this Spiderman movie because 1) the first one sucked and 2) the first one tried to take the spotlight from AOTC. That's just wrong.

Of course, I'm paranoid.

[Gazelle]

Actually, it did take the spotlight from AOTC. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vaderxmas.gif

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Actually, it did take the spotlight from AOTC.[/b][/quote]

Oh hardly, Spiderman made a few more bucks than AOTC because it opened on many more screens than AOTC ever played on, Lucas would only allow theaters with his specifications to play the film.

I particularly remember standing in line for Spiderman, and the kids were all talking about Star Wars. Some were even talking about it while the movie was playing...

Also I might add, for 2002, AOTC was the highest selling toyline, and was one of the highest selling pre-ordered dvds in history.

[Darth Darthy]

Who cares though? AOTC was a better movie without a dodgey ending where the bad guy kills himself.

[Gazelle]

What I meant was (in Britain at least) the publicity and "awareness" of the new "Spiderman" movie was huge. "Spiderman" was on breakfast cereal boxes, magazine covers, special programmes on tv, etc. It all seemed a lot bigger than for AOTC.

[Darth Vegas]

Tru dat. :yodaxmas:

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Dec 15 2003, 07:34 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Actually, it did take the spotlight from AOTC.

Oh hardly, Spiderman made a few more bucks than AOTC because it opened on many more screens than AOTC ever played on, Lucas would only allow theaters with his specifications to play the film.

I particularly remember standing in line for Spiderman, and the kids were all talking about Star Wars. Some were even talking about it while the movie was playing...

Also I might add, for 2002, AOTC was the highest selling toyline, and was one of the highest selling pre-ordered dvds in history. [/b][/quote]
Spiderman stole the BO from SW, I think no one can argue that...

I haven't seen the #'s to compare where Spiderman stands on the DVD count. I heard it was huge.

I remember some people talking about SW also in Spiderman...but that they were going to see it the next weekend. Spiderman was a love hate film.

HOwever, the sequel looks very promising. The car scene and how it is shot, it looks like a comicbook drawing. I loved it.

Doc Ock is the best Spiderman villian I think.

[Marbleman]

Well I will see it anyway, but I had a mixed feeling about the trailer. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif

[Seanakin]

Had Episode II been better, maybe I'd be indignant at the timing of Spiderman.

Ultimately, both films are rather forgettable, except that Episode II has a more cemeted place in film history because of its part in the SW Saga.

X-Men aside, I'm a lot more skeptical about comicbook movies than when I actually SAW Spiderman.

And I'm a lot less forgiving of overdone CGI.

[Justin]

That was kind of cheesy, and the effects looked crappy. Maybe that's just because it was online though.

Although, Peter and Mary Jane shouldn't have gotten up when they did. The car hadn't even finished falling and they were already on their feet. That's bad filmmaking right there.

The music was cool though, lol.

[brookie]

i can't wait for this movie ! the 1st one was not my favorite, but i have faith that this one will be better, i always seem to like the second movies, i like getting past the introduction crap.

[Darth Darthy]

It's a teaser trailer folks. The effects aren't even near completion. It won't be a great film though although people will claim it's great just as you all did when the first came out.

[Justin]

I didn't say it was great. I said it was ok but it often descended into cheesiness.

[Mann]

I think every comicbook movie has descended into the realm of the cheesy, aminly because they are just popcorn ficks.

I loved the car through the window. Its actually very well done. Also give Mary Jane a hint into Peter being Spidey.

I think by the end of the film, she'll know.

Doc Ock's got a new motivation i guess...Work for Harry Osborne.

[Miasmo]

I liked the first spiderman, at first. But that's just because it had an old classic comic book feel to it, and that was something that, at the time, I really didn't mind. I didn't love it, it wasn't top-notch story, but there was nothing in it that made me want to throw my popcorn at the screen. Then again, I hadn't really read any of the comic books so that could be the difference.

I haven't checked out the trailer yet, since I'm still living in the dial-up age. I'll let you know what I think when I see it.


EDIT: Ok, I just checked it out. I really wasn't impressed, at all. It looks like it's gonna have the same feel as the first one, but I'll probably see it anyways. Maybe it would've had a bigger impact had I been able to view it without a pause every 5 seconds.

[Handothrawn]

I thought it looked cool, and just as good as the first, IMO, but I don't like the idea of Doc Ock working for Harry, Doc Ock takes orders from no man.

[Justin]

Working for Harry? That makes Harry a bad guy already? Give me a break.

[Agent Sith]

Dr Octopus looks great but the movie will probably be ruined by poor writing. But I got faith in it, even though I didnt like the first one.

[maddog62]

The first one was entertaining but I didn't expect so much from it. AOTC is IMO a great movie but I was expecting alot more. So in a way it does seam second to Spiderman. Nobody ever complains about the wooden acting in Spiderman and I think Toby is Horrible.

[Handothrawn]

Well, Harry kinda is already a bad guy, he finds his dad's old Goblin stuff in this one, and he is after Spidey's blood, so he is a bad guy.

[maddog62]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 16 2003, 04:03 AM
That was kind of cheesy, and the effects looked crappy. Maybe that's just because it was online though.

Although, Peter and Mary Jane shouldn't have gotten up when they did. The car hadn't even finished falling and they were already on their feet. That's bad filmmaking right there.

The music was cool though, lol.
Just came back from LOTR and it looked bad in a THX certified theater also.

[Javen]

Originally posted by maddog62+Dec 17 2003, 02:32 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(maddog62 @ Dec 17 2003, 02:32 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Dec 16 2003, 04:03 AM
That was kind of cheesy, and the effects looked crappy. Maybe that's just because it was online though.

Although, Peter and Mary Jane shouldn't have gotten up when they did. The car hadn't even finished falling and they were already on their feet. That's bad filmmaking right there.

The music was cool though, lol.
Just came back from LOTR and it looked bad in a THX certified theater also. [/b][/quote]
Well, I mean, it is7 months away until the final cut. And it is a teaser trailer. You shouldn't expect perfection in a teaser trailer.

[maddog62]

Originally posted by Javen+Dec 18 2003, 01:26 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Javen @ Dec 18 2003, 01:26 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by maddog62@Dec 17 2003, 02:32 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Dec 16 2003, 04:03 AM
That was kind of cheesy, and the effects looked crappy.* Maybe that's just because it was online though.

Although, Peter and Mary Jane shouldn't have gotten up when they did.* The car hadn't even finished falling and they were already on their feet. That's bad filmmaking right there.

The music was cool though, lol.
Just came back from LOTR and it looked bad in a THX certified theater also.
Well, I mean, it is7 months away until the final cut. And it is a teaser trailer. You shouldn't expect perfection in a teaser trailer. [/b][/quote]
Why not they want us to go see it right?

[Mann]

I remember how bad the Hulk looked 6 months prior, and how much of an improvement it was. I didn't like it a whole lot, but the f/x weren't terrible.

[maddog62]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 18 2003, 02:12 AM
I remember how bad the Hulk looked 6 months prior, and how much of an improvement it was. I didn't like it a whole lot, but the f/x weren't terrible.
I haven't seen the Hulk yet. Probably will not.

[Otis_Frampton]

Spider-Man 2 looks like a huge improvement over the original.

I can't believe they actually cast Alfred Molina as Doc Ock. He's an amazing actor, but not well known. The studio could have insisted on a star.

-Otis

[Mann]

Originally posted by Otis_Frampton@Dec 18 2003, 06:45 AM
Spider-Man 2 looks like a huge improvement over the original.

I can't believe they actually cast Alfred Molina as Doc Ock. He's an amazing actor, but not well known. The studio could have insisted on a star.

-Otis
And maybe, just maybe they think that alfred molina is the perfect actor for the role. The guy almost got nominated for an Oscar last year, cut him some slack!

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Otis_Frampton@Dec 17 2003, 10:45 PM
I can't believe they actually cast Alfred Molina as Doc Ock.* He's an amazing actor, but not well known.* The studio could have insisted on a star.
That's excellent casting there. With these films you really don't need big star power, the title character is the star, and much of the time he has no face that you can see.

Bad casting: Kirsten Dunst

Having seen the trail in quicktime and with ROTK now, I gotta say, other then Doc Oc, I'm not all that impressed. I just don't understand why there's such massive hyperbole around the net over this trailer.

[T-bone]

Adios Sapito.

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:red">*Warning spouiler dialogue from the film*

"Hey! Spiderman stole that kid's pizzas!"</span>

[Otis_Frampton]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And maybe, just maybe they think that alfred molina is the perfect actor for the role. The guy almost got nominated for an Oscar last year, cut him some slack![/b][/quote]

You completely missed the point of my post.

-Otis

[bluemilk]

Originally posted by Mann+Dec 18 2003, 02:03 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Dec 18 2003, 02:03 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Otis_Frampton@Dec 18 2003, 06:45 AM
Spider-Man 2 looks like a huge improvement over the original.

I can't believe they actually cast Alfred Molina as Doc Ock.* He's an amazing actor, but not well known.* The studio could have insisted on a star.

-Otis
And maybe, just maybe they think that alfred molina is the perfect actor for the role. The guy almost got nominated for an Oscar last year, cut him some slack! [/b][/quote]
I think Otis meant that instead of insisting that they have a star to help sell the film, the studio instead decided to use Alfred Molina, hence you both in agreement about the casting style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

err substance over style.. well just a guess

[Otis_Frampton]

That's exactly what I meant.

Alfred Molina is a great choice, and he's the type of actor who would usually be nixed in favor of a star who can "sell" the picture. "Batman & Robin" leaps immediately to mind when considering this type of casting.

-Otis

[bluemilk]

Originally posted by Otis_Frampton@Dec 18 2003, 08:57 PM
That's exactly what I meant.
can you hear me now?

[Justin]

I hated 'Batman & Robin.' Joel Shumacher has made some pretty good films, so why did he have to rape the Batman name? What an idiot.

Even if Spider-Man 2 really sucks, it will suck nowhere near as horribly as 'Batman & Robin.' Death to Shumacher!

I bet the new Batman film will be good though. Thank God it doesn't exist in the same continuity as the last one. Let's hope there isn't a latex costume this time around.

[Otis_Frampton]

"Batman & Robin" is truly horrible.

But . .

I do think that, in a good Batman film, George Clooney would make an amazing Bruce Wayne.

-Otis

[spaceman2386]

If u go saw that preveiw when I saw Return of the King :yodaxmas: the preveiw is better in the theater

[goodwije]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 19 2003, 12:45 AM
Let's hope there isn't a latex costume this time around.
You want to change the costume? Well i am not a huge Spidey fan so i really have no problem with is. I am a pretty big Superman fan however, and some people get really, really ticked when some people talk about changing the Superman costume (which i agree with by the way, i think its time for the red external underwear to go). The movie is not all that old, i don't expect the costume to change much.

[Otis_Frampton]

Superman is better without the costume.

No, not that way, sickos . .

I was referring to "Smallville".

-Otis

[goodwije]

I love Samllville, but i was referring more to Superman 5 when and if they ever make it.

[Darth Vegas]

They'll never make it, especially after the awful Superman 4. No one is interested in seeing that Superman story continue.

They're making a brand new set of Superman films, just as they're starting fresh with Chris Nolan's Batman film(s).

I like Smallville, but it gets a little repetitive and the story arch is pretty slow (for me some storylines gets brushed aside to no satisfaction only to maybe pick up again later on - such as the case with Lex's suspicion of Clark) - and here we are in the 3rd season already, I would've thought they'd have dealed with most of this stuff a little sooner. Maybe it's just because I know the Superman story and I want it to move on already.

[Otis_Frampton]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>They'll never make it.[/b][/quote]

Never say never when there is money to be made at Warner Brothers.

-Otis

[Darth Vegas]

They MUST NOT make it.

Better? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[goodwije]

Originally posted by TK-007@Dec 19 2003, 04:56 PM
They'll never make it, especially after the awful Superman 4. No one is interested in seeing that Superman story continue.

They're making a brand new set of Superman films, just as they're starting fresh with Chris Nolan's Batman film(s).
OMG..

When i said Superman 5 i meant whatver new film they are going to make. New story line, same storyline, whatever. I do not know what it will be called so i just said S5. Okay?

Anywho.. Spiderman.. i am not to crazy about Doc Oc, never was my favorite villian. I would have liked to see them go with someone else.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by goodwije+Dec 19 2003, 02:01 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(goodwije @ Dec 19 2003, 02:01 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Dec 19 2003, 04:56 PM
They'll never make it, especially after the awful Superman 4. No one is interested in seeing that Superman story continue.

They're making a brand new set of Superman films, just as they're starting fresh with Chris Nolan's Batman film(s).
OMG..

When i said Superman 5 i meant whatver new film they are going to make. New story line, same storyline, whatever. I do not know what it will be called so i just said S5. Okay?
[/b][/quote]
Yeah I kinda figured that, wasn't erally sure though, for a minute there I thought you meant a literal Superman 5.

And that would be atrocious.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Anywho.. Spiderman.. i am not to crazy about Doc Oc, never was my favorite villian. I would have liked to see them go with someone else.[/b][/quote]

He's better than Gobby, that's for certain, alot better.

Who would you prefer?

Luckily this film also introduced Docter Conners. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Otis_Frampton]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>When i said Superman 5 i meant whatver new film they are going to make. New story line, same storyline, whatever. I do not know what it will be called so i just said S5. Okay?[/b][/quote]

I knew what you meant. And I believe there will be another Superman movie.

I've never really been a Spider-Man fan. But the casting of Alred Molina has raised my interest level.

-Otis

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Otis_Frampton@Dec 19 2003, 02:07 PM
I've never really been a Spider-Man fan. But the casting of Alred Molina has raised my interest level.
Same here, I liked the comics growing up and the cartoon, but the first film did nothing for me, and I wasn't looking forward to this film at all.

Alfred Molina as Doc Oc is for now at least, the only reason why I'm looking forward to seeing.

[goodwije]

Originally posted by TK-007@Dec 19 2003, 05:04 PM
Who would you prefer?

Luckily this film also introduced Docter Conners. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif I really have no idea, i am not enough of a Spidey fan to really know which villian would work.

[masterplan]

Originally posted by goodwije+Dec 19 2003, 05:14 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(goodwije @ Dec 19 2003, 05:14 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Dec 19 2003, 05:04 PM
Who would you prefer?

Luckily this film also introduced Docter Conners. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif I really have no idea, i am not enough of a Spidey fan to really know which villian would work. [/b][/quote]
Harry should become the Hobgoblin to avenge Norman's death which he believes is at the hands of Spider-man. I say Hobgoblin, not Green Goblin II, because I don't think there's any way they'll make another movie with the same villian.
Plus Hobby's my fav style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Dec 19 2003, 10:00 PM
They MUST NOT make it.

Better? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
After Batman 4, I thought they were done...I guess I was wrong then!

Superman 5 will happen. Just wait...I think Hayden christensen will factor into playing the Man of Steel sometime soon. after Shattered Glass, he plays nerdish guys well.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Otis_Frampton@Dec 19 2003, 10:07 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>When i said Superman 5 i meant whatver new film they are going to make. New story line, same storyline, whatever. I do not know what it will be called so i just said S5. Okay?

I knew what you meant. And I believe there will be another Superman movie.

I've never really been a Spider-Man fan. But the casting of Alred Molina has raised my interest level.

-Otis [/b][/quote]
Finally though, Molina will get some star power thrown h