R2's Rockets

[Handothrawn]

I finally figured out the reason R2 has those rockets hidden away, they help him move in adverse situations, like if a pilot had to abandone his fighter R2 could rocket to the rescue ship when it picked up the pilot, and in the Dagobah swamp they helped him move under water.

Sorry I've had alot of time on my hands.

[DblDwn]

You can also justify R2 not having rockets in the OT by simply saying that when Captain Antilles purchases he and 3PO, albeit in Episode III or between trilogies, he has the rockets removed because he feels them unnecessary for his intentions for the droid. After all R2 is basically just a mechanic.

[Handothrawn]

R2 does have rockets in the OT, they're what help him move underwater in ESB.

[DblDwn]

You don't know that R2 is using his rockets to get through the swamp. You are assuming that he does.

It is never implied in the movie ESB that R2 is using rockets in that scene and I have the book right here in front of me and it says nothing in that part about R2 using any rockets. What is the basis for your conclusions?

If he were to have rockets in the OT, like in the swamp as you suggest, why doesn't he use them to get off of Jabba's barge in ROTJ or move more quickly through the Tattooine desert?

[Justin]

He doesn't use them in the Original Trilogy because Lucas came up with the idea of R2 having rockets when he was writing Episode I.

If that's not good enough, you can just say that R2 has rockets in the Original Trilogy, but he chooses not to use them.

[Justin]

By the way, DB, you're getting all bent out of shape over people assuming things, but you just made an assumption about Captain Antilles removing R2's rockets.

That's not written anywhere either, so "What is the basis for your conclusions"?

[DblDwn]

1) I never got bent out of shape I simply asked hando where he was getting his information from in case it was anywhere else other than his imagination.

2) I wasn't assuming anything by saying that Captain Antilles removed the rockets I was participating in the discussion. The point of the thread was to come up with ideas about how you can JUSTIFY R2 not having rockets in the OT and that was what I was doing.

Perhaps it is you who have the vendetta against me? If that is the case bring it on because I was a first year law student until I chose a different profession and I love to debate so if you want to turn our ideas and thoughts into some sort of Jets vs. Sharks (that's West Side Story just so you can keep up) battle of the wits then I'm all for it.

Just keep it clean so that the Mods don't have to get involved.

[Senator Theant]

Hey, Ive been waiting for a good fight! It'll certainly beat arguing ethics and morals of trans national corporations with over-zealous delegates in a Model United Nations Developmental Programme for three years.

Seeing as the only description alotted to this discussion is "R2's Rockets", we have to consider all forms of rationalizations.

DblDwn basically sticks one to handothrawn's theory by alluding to the ESB novel. Whats wrong with that? If it doesnt stand up, it doesnt stand up.

That doesnt mean DblDwn is correct in his assumption. We dont know what function R2 may have played in the service of Antilles. Antilles was a pilot, but he was also a member of the Rebel Alliance elite--which includes diplomats and fighters alike. Which explains why R2 was roaming the corridors of the Tantive IV, a diplomatic vessel carrying another member of the Alliance elite: Princess Leia. As far as I see, R2 may have worked in a wide range of environments, conveniencing the many needs of their rag tag group of freedom fighters.

In other words, its a possibility. But slightly more plausible than Justin's theory. He may have simply not chosen to use them.

Personally, I agree with Justin. In Jabba's Throne Room, R2 is seen descending stairs using only two legs and not the retractable third. Reasoning? Ask either Lucas and R2.

I ensure the anwers you will get will be "???" or "beep boop".

[Rogue_0009]

I read on starwars.com that the rockets expire after 20 years and that no one bothered to replace them.

[DblDwn]

And just to stick the final dagger in the idea that R2 uses rockets in the swamp in ESB think of it this way; the rockets are basically an energy source propelled by heat. How would a heat source function under water? In our world anything underwater, i.e. submarines, torpedos, etc, are propelled by a propeller of some sort. Even in the Star Wars world, in TPM, the bongo that Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and Jar Jar take from Otah Gunga is propelled by a propeller. There is no logical reason to assume that R2's rockets would be abe to function in an aquatic environment.

As far as the example of R2 descending the stairs in Jabba's throne room there is no reason to believe that he uses rockets there either. In the PT, when we know R2 to have rockets, he is seen descending stairs at various times, an example of which would be in AOTC when he is following Anakin and Padme while departing Corescant, and there is never any use of a rocket in those instances either.

I like what Rogue said about what was read on the official site. It could easily be explained that the rockets have a 20 year 'shelf life' and after that they would need to be replaced. My only question is that if they expired after 20 years and at that time R2 belonged to Captain Antilles, then it would be reasonable to assume that Captain Antilles is the one who failed to have them replaced so, technically, I was close to correct in my original post about him having them removed. By not replacing them he is removing them.........from a certain point of view of course.

Therefore, Justin, it could be concluded that LOGIC was the basis for my conclusions.

[Martini]

you guys are fools, seriously. the hell would you think that R2 is using those rockets under the water. i mean really! all i gotta say to that is, why wouldnt he just fly over the water? DUH

but to get into this conversation, id say he didnt use the rockets in the OT (not because of SFX) but because his were damaged in the Clone Wars or were removed at some point.

[Meche]

Originally posted by Martini@Aug. 16 2002 - 11:26
you guys are fools, seriously. *the hell would you think that R2 is using those rockets under the water. i mean really!
Might want to chill on that kind of talk. Think about snowflakes.

[DblDwn]

Thank you Martini. It is good to see someone agreeing with me on this topic.

[Martini]

haha, wow DblDwn and i agree. wow this is a first. maybe thats why you have mace as a picture and i got vader as a picture. haha

yea i just wish some people wouldnt look into these movies so much. everyone has to realize that there was a 16 year difference between the end of the OT and the beginning of the PT. this is why the story is what is important, not the SFX. so when we do get to see Episodes 1 through 6, we'll love them even more cause of the full storyline rather then watching how the SFX get better and better then go way down, then get slightly better.

[DblDwn]

Well said Martini.

Yeah we do seem to be agreeing more these days than in previous months. Maybe the planets are in some kind of unusual alignment?

Regardless of that it is better to have people who support our ideas as opposed to those who don't.

[Senator Theant]

The Idea of R2 using his rockets under the water in Dagobah has been proven wrong, thank you DblDwn. Im pretty much in agreement with the statement that Lucas doesnt really care about this topic. He's just about leaving this to our own devices. I agree with that.

[MegoHulk]

Are we really that hard up for a decent topic of discussion? I believe the first post had the right idea. Remember in TPM when R2 is outside the ship in space? If he were to lose grip and float off wouldn't he need boosters to return to the ship? I mean it's so painfully obvious. He needs to use them in AOTC because he has NO OTHER WAY to get where he's going. And there hasn't been another circumstance we've seen where he needs them, yet. In Dagobah he fell off the ship...no time to fire his rockets. And he wouldn't waste energy using them to go up stairs either. So theres your explaination....why look further into it? And for the record there can be heat underwater...because you can weld underwater. :rolleyes:

[DblDwn]

Does anyone else think that Megohulk, is that any relation to MegaMaid from Spaceballs, above me here is missing the point of the discussion?

The point we were making is not that R2 has rockets in the PT, we know that, we are proving that he does not have them in the OT.

The correct answer of course, not to ruin our fun here, is that obviously Lucas made up the idea while writing the factory scene in AOTC. It had never previously been mentioned because it had never previously been a feature of the character.

But since we have nothing better to do until 2005 we are having fun with making up ways to justify how things in the OT, that were altered for the PT, came to be so by the time of the OT.

[Senator Theant]

Another misunderstanding:

No one ever suggested that R2 used his rockets to climb a set of stairs. But since we are on the topic of LUcas' inconsistencies, I decided to mention that little fact.

Just for your info, in Jabba's Throne Room, I believe, 3Po and R2 descend a few steps to enter. R2 uses only his two legs, and not the retractable third leg that we saw him use ascending stairs in AOTC. A weak example, I admit, but still illustrates that somethings are left unexplained in the movies, and left for fans to have fun with. ;)

[MegoHulk]

No I understand the point of this thread but what I'm hinting at is that it's pointless. I mean come on guys....its 3 years till the next movie and already you've run out of good topic ideas. And when the real spoilers do start coming you ruin the movie for your selves by reading the script 3 weeks before you see the movie. I'm not saying your losers because I stop in here once in awhile myself, but come on...theres more to do out there than come up with ridiculous theories about things that'll never happen. You build up this image about how Star Wars SHOULD be in your minds. And then it doesn't live up to the expectations. I for one am not going to spoil Ep 3 for myself...I did it with TPM and and I tried not to with AOTC. I wonder what will become of you when Ep3 is over...Go out and live a little then come back to SW, it'll still be here for you, I promise. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[Ferarri pit droid]

I agree Megahulk style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[DblDwn]

Of course it is pointless..........the whole site is pointless if you think about it. We have who nows how many different people saying who knows how many different things about who knows how many different topics. The name is extremely accurate because it is just like the US Senate in that everyone has different ideas about how different things should go. The great thing about the site is that it is like the Senate because we all have the opportunity to voice our thoughts/ideas/theories/opinions/etc and listen to what others have to say about them.

I don't build up any ideas in my mind about how it should go because that is for Lucas and only Lucas to decide. I merely toss out thoughts and random ideas to other people that are obviously interested enough in the topic to read what I have to say and then respond by letting me know what they think and vice versa.

I'm sorry if you know all about me and have concluded that I need to live a little. That is a bold statement for someone who has never met me. Hell for all you know I am Lucas and I'm just having fun with my fans (I'm not however), but the point is that you don't know. I come to this site and have fun. It helps me to pass the time when there is nothing else to do. I can only read ESPN.com so many times a day after all.

I apologize if my being a Star Wars fan labels me in your eyes but in my eyes it just makes me simply a fan. You tell me what the difference is between someone who likes to discuss Star Wars on this site and the person who spends thousands of dollars a year on season tickets for their favorite basketball team? There really is none because we are all just fans and in the end that is all that is important to me.

By the way, regarding this thread in general, I actually don't think of it as a pointless thread because if it really were pointless, and no one cared to discuss it, then there would have been no responses in the first place. To call the thread pointless is to degrade the individual who began it. Somebody sitting around one day with nothing to do has a random thought about something from the movies and decides to start a thread to get some feedback. At least he had the stones to start a thread because I've never seen a thread that you have began. All you do is go into other peoples threads and basically call their initial thoughts pointless. That is apparently what it takes to be a real man who lives a little huh?

This is not meant to be confrontational and I don't feel like starting an argument. This is just my opinion on the matter and is not intended to offend you.

[obi1kenobi]

Originally posted by MegoHulk@Aug. 18 2002 - 16:46
And for the record there can be heat underwater...because you can weld underwater. *
Of course there can be heat under water, there are geothermal vents and volcanoes at the bottom of our oceans. But welding doesn't prove anything, because, correct me if I'm wrong (bored deep sea welders out there) but that's arc welding, using electric current. If it was some sort of propulsion, it would blow the welder away from their work, would it not style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif

[MegoHulk]

Alright..apparently some of you got your panties in a twist. I my self am I big SW fan but when I come here it just seems like there is such a thing as being too much of a fan. I'm all for discussing things about or concerning the movies but when you start throwing around ridiculous theories about trivial parts of the movie it becomes pointless. I mean the answer to the original question is pretty obvious as I stated in my first post. Some of you dig too deeply into a rather shallow concept. And yes, some people go nuts for sport teams...a friend of mine watches 5 TVs at a time during football season. I think you CAN have too much of a good thing though, it becomes obsessive behavior. If you have these grand ideas and theories why not channel your energy into writing a book? I'm not calling any of you losers or telling you to get a life...I'm saying live a little. Star Wars should be a distraction from life...not life itself. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this post but so be it...it needs to be said. I'm curious, how many of you hate the Star Trek fans? Just wondering. When you watch these movies your supposed to suspend belief for a little while...so R2 has rockets now....theres nothing deep about this...GL added it cause it fit into the movie. Theres no deep secret about a 20yr life span and his former master not wanting to keep up repairs on him, etc. I guess I'm sorry if this has offened anyone but thats how I see things. MTFBWY style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/y.gif

[Senator Theant]

Go out and live a little then come back to SW, it'll still be here for you, I promise.

You know between my summer football practice and job at Togo's, I was beginning to think I had a life! Apparently since I commit the crime of premeditated Star Wars posting I am at fault, hence I dont have a life. What the f*ck? What did I miss? Why do you feel as though you can tell us a topic is pointless and expect us to, just, disappear?

I post on here because of one main reason: I dont have too many friends who get as hyped as I do over Star Wars. Where's my fault? Where am I losing touch with the real world? You say obsession is a bad thing, and I totally agree with you. West Coasters like me have a tendency to get obsessed with their pro sports teams. I came into this world with red and gold flowing in my veins. Dont beleive me? Check out the "NFL" thread I started in the COmmunications forum. Have my escapes insulted in any way? Maybe its just cuz Im a rebellious teenager or whatever, but I get pretty pissed off when people start shooting off stereotypes like they were my f*ckin nanny.

Next time you get rejected in your sorry life, dont feel obliged to lash out on people you dont know, it makes for bad reputation.

Who wants to talk Star Wars?

[MegoHulk]

Well you obviously didn't read the posts...I give up...your only reading what you want.

[Jedi D'oh]

Originally posted by Senator Theant@Aug. 21 2002 - 04:27
Go out and live a little then come back to SW, it'll still be here for you, I promise.

You know between my summer football practice and job at Togo's, I was beginning to think I had a life! Apparently since I commit the crime of premeditated Star Wars posting I am at fault, hence I dont have a life. What the f*ck? What did I miss? Why do you feel as though you can tell us a topic is pointless and expect us to, just, disappear?

I post on here because of one main reason: I dont have too many friends who get as hyped as I do over Star Wars. Where's my fault? Where am I losing touch with the real world? You say obsession is a bad thing, and I totally agree with you. West Coasters like me have a tendency to get obsessed with their pro *sports teams. I came into this world with red and gold flowing in my veins. Dont beleive me? Check out the "NFL" thread I started in the COmmunications forum. Have my escapes insulted in any way? Maybe its just cuz Im a rebellious teenager or whatever, but I get pretty pissed off when people start shooting off stereotypes like they were my f*ckin nanny.

Next time you get rejected in your sorry life, dont feel obliged to lash out on people you dont know, it makes for bad reputation.
Who wants to talk Star Wars?

i do! i do! dont know if you people have heard this, but the idea of the rockets goes back to TPM when artoo was looking over the edge of the platform just before the all boarded the queens ship back to naboo. (during that horrible midiclorian jive). originally, he was to falll over the edge(sort of a comedy break cause artoo is so dammed curious), and use his rockets to fly back to the platform.

the idea was just not used so lucas was able to work it into AOTC. as far as having them in the OT, i never saw a point that they would have been useful, hence GL can make up the rocket factor without it conflicting with the PT/OT storyline.

[Martini]

(during that horrible midiclorian jive)

what is wrong with the midiclorian idea? i liked it, it wasnt the best but it did explain why some people have the force and others dont. i just dont think many people caught what qui-gon was talking about, thats all. most average movie-goers dont catch all of these SW facts and lines

[obi1kenobi]

What isn't wrong with the midichlorian idea? It spoils the mythology of the force. It's not like GL ever explained how anything else works, so why bother starting to spout unrealistic science jargon about something so central as the force?

[jbird669]

The official site has stated that the warranty on the rockets only lasts for 20 years, that is why we never see them in the OT.

[Darth Vegas]

Simply put, rockets need fuel, rockets ran out of fuel, no one replaced fuel, R2 having rockets was not conceived until GL began writing the PT.

On the "midi-chlorian jive", GL said it was always in his mind since he first began writing the original Star Wars, but he never had an opportunity in the OT to discuss them.

[Rebel Astromech Droid]

ahhhhh!!!!! They're not rockets they're anti-grav boosters.

[Sgt_Jedi]

R2's rockets are a good and a bad idea. Hmph! i hope they come out with the R2 with rockets toy soon.

As for the midichlorians, I hope that they will reappear a bit in ep. 3, otherwise, we will feel as if something important was brought up but never really explained.