Idealistic Crusade

[Seminole Jedi]

Recall that Owen was afraid that Luke would follow ObiWon on a "damned fool idealistic crusade" like Anakin did. I wonder what that crusade was and whether we'll see it in E3? Here are some possibilities:

1. Perhaps at some point in E3 the Clone Wars all but end, however Palpatine refuses to give up power. Owen might think that the political situation isn't ideal, but at least the war is over and order will soon be restored. ObiWon, however, insists on confronting Palpatine to force him to restore the Republic and gets Anakin to join him.

2. I really liked Baxter's idea of Palpatine trying to extract a loyalty oath from the Jedi. Maybe ObiWon and Anakin go off to rally the Jedi to refuse the demand on the idealistic grounds that their loyalty is to the Republic, not to any one person. Owen may think such oaths are meaningless and that they should take the oath to stay on the inside of the power structure, waiting for the right time to make their move.

3. Perhaps the Clone Wars rage throughout the film, but at some point ObiWon and Bail Organa realize they and the Jedi are on the wrong side. ObiWon and Anakin leave to convince the other Jedi to back the separatists (soon to be the rebels). Owen is the type who favors whomever can restore order -- most likely Palpatine's forces, even if Palpatine is not very, well, palettable. We saw in AOTC that Anakin admires Palpatine, so maybe there comes a point when the Jedi must commit to one side or the other -- the Jedi go with Organa and the rebels, while Anakin sides with Palpatine. This sets up an ObiWon-Anakin duel nicely because there are both personal and political frictions between them.

[Justin]

Lucas probably forgot about that line when he was writing Episode II.

[Shadow Jedi Rhyro]

Idea #2 seems the most interesting to me. Especially seeing how ROTJ ends how ironic would it be to see Anakin defy but eventually have to consent to a loyalty oath. The foreboding is almost too much to handle. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tie.gif

[Senator Theant]

Out of the three, I would have to say that I thought 3 the most interesting. The Separatists become the rebels. Thats pretty interesting. Although I think I cant imagine how the Separatists will continue to fight when Dooku is killed. And I dont think the rebellion led by Organa and Mothma in EP III was inherited from Dooku and Gunray, both are obviously opposed to each other in AOTC.

[Jedi Master Shaft]

Your thories are good, but I have my own:

In Episode III, Anakin Skywalker discover some interesting news that could help to Jedi to find Dooku. He arrives somehow on Tatooine and go to the Lars Farm, there, he meets again Owen and Beru ( Cliegg died ). Later, Master Kenobi arrives and discuss with Skywalker. He learns about the news and tell Anakin they have to leave Tatooine now to destroy Dooku with the help of these news. Owen, thinking that it is an idealistic fool crusade wants Anakin to stay at the farm. ( Anakin is now the only family Owen has with his parents and Shmi dead ) But Anakin believes Obi-Wan is right and the Jedi leave Tatooine.

This way, Obi-Wan could meet the Lars, explaining why he later gives them Luke, the fool crusade would exist, and the hate of Owen for Obi-Wan would be explained too ( with Obi-Wan leading Owen's last family toward death ).


Maybe I'm thinking too much. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

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[Obi-Stu]

What you say makes sense, Master Shaft. I have always wondered how Ben and Uncle Owen come in to bad favour with one another. For some reason Owen doesn't like Ben and doesn't like Anakin. There wasn't much reason in EpII for
this to come out so they should feature rather prominatly in
Ep III.

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[Jedi D'oh]

hi there. all of these theorys are good, but i have a suggestion....

the "damned fool idealistic crusade" IS the clone wars. sure tatooine is a backwater world, but owen knows anakin and knows OF kenobi, so he sort of knows about the goings on of the clone wars. remember ani and obi are heroes of the war.

when obi comes back with baby luke and tells the lars' what happened to ani, that is the dislike factor. thats why in ep IV when beru says luke has to much of his father in him, owen says "thats what im afraid of."

even if its not said in the movie(ep III) surely ani tells obi of the lars' existence cause they are the last ties to family he has, so obi knows of them.

anyway, just an idea!

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[Zane Marit]

I think D'oh wrapped that one up rather nicely...I think that we are all getting a little too carried away with all of this, and taking things way too literal. All will be answered in 2.5 years.

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[Darth Whaler]

I also agree with Jedi-D'oh. Also, considering that screen time will be so precious in Episode III, there may not be time for a scene like that. However, I'd also like to add that Seminole Jedi's third idea is a very good one but I'm still convinced the Clone Wars will end within the first half of the film.

[LordTyranus]

I also agree, I think Anakin already left in Episode 2 for the damned fool idealistic crusade, when he left to save Obi-Wan.

[Jedi Master Shaft]

Something else which I think is important; at no point in Clones Owen Lars or Beru Whitesun learns really something about Master Kenobi.

Only C-3PO -if my memory is good- says the name of Obi-Wan Kenobi in Clones and I do not believe Anakin Skywalker gives his step-brother enough explanations about Obi-Wan and the message from Geonosis when he leaves Tatooine.

I know George Lucas doesn't really watch the OT every day to see if the Prequels match with it, but Obi-Wan doesn't know the Lars and the Lars do not know Obi-Wan !!!

And I do not believe that Master Kenobi would deliver Luke Skywalker, the son of the Chosen One and the Galaxy's last hope to two farmers he barely knows. Obi-Wan HAS to meet the Lars.

Unfortunately, with George Lucas saying that the only Tatooine shot he needed for Episode III was indeed shot during the filming of Clones ( I guess that this shot shows a hooded Jedi ( Master Kenobi ) walking to the Lars farm ), there is little chance that the Lars and Tatooine will be really back in Episode III.

So, no idealistic fool crusade other than Clones', no Owen-Obi-Wan meeting before the delivery of Luke, and no explanations on Owen's 'hate' for the old Master Kenobi.

Strange, indeed. If the Lars are not shown in Episode III then Lucas will have to put a scene with Anakin talking about them to Kenobi, so the audience can understand why the bearded Master chooses them to raise Luke, don't you think ?


The Force is with George Lucas. Episode III will be great.

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[Patrick]

The only OUTDOOR Tatooine scene needed for Episode III has been shot. George didn't want to haul ass back to Tunisia for Episode III, so he got what basic outdoor shots he needed while they were there for Episode II. There's still plenty of reason to believe that they'd have a scene inside the Lars homestead as Obi Wan gives Luke to Owen and Beru, which could obviously be filmed on a set somewhere.

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

All interesting theories on the same outcome, but I dont quite understand why everyone thinks that the happenings in A New Hope mean that Owen has to hate Obi-Wan?

I always took the "thats what I'm afraid of", and "that mans just a crazy old wizard" remarks as Owen protecting Luke, not hating Obi-Wan. :saber: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif

[LordTyranus]

Originally posted by NIGHTTRAVELER@Aug. 13 2002 - 16:58
All interesting theories on the same outcome, but I dont quite understand why everyone thinks that the happenings in A New Hope mean that Owen has to hate Obi-Wan? *

* * I always took the "thats what I'm afraid of", and "that mans just a crazy old wizard" remarks as Owen protecting Luke, not hating Obi-Wan. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif * style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif
I agree, I didn't sense much hatred, instead just a desire to protect Luke from his destiny.

[Darth Vegas]

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I think this was already explained in AOTC, when Anakin left Tatooine with Padme to rescue Obi-Wan.

Also I heard we will see a deleted scene in AOTC when Owen begs Anakin not to go. Not sure though.

Anybody else considered this? *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Jedi Master Shaft]

Thanks Patrick, I feel much better now I know only the outdoors were shot. There is still a hope.

Your idea is good, Bond, but I have never heard such a scene was shot for Clones. If a scene like that exists, it must have been kept very secret. But it's a nice idea. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif


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[Darth Vegas]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/alien.gif Thank ya Master Shaft.

[T-bone]

Also I heard we will see a deleted scene in AOTC when Owen begs Anakin not to go. Not sure though.

He doesn't "beg" but offers his speeder.

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/e...ers_speeder.htm (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/ep2/owen_offers_speeder.htm)

[rocky6_32]

I think Owen is trying to keep luke away from Ben, ie the force, perhaps with ben behind it because he needs to keep luke safe, no matter the cost, if it means not training him in the jedi ways until it was neccesary.

[T-bone]

Plus he saw what happened to Anakin.

[rocky6_32]

Very True

[Darth Barrister]

The Crusade is that Owen knows that Ben, at one time, was opposed to the Empire and that he may try to use Luke to defeat that Empire (which, from a certain point of view, he did).

He didn't want luke to follow him on any crusade. I don't think he means a direct parallel to Anakin, only an implied one.

[jbird669]

When on Tatooine, @ his mom's funeral, Anakin is interrupted by R2, who comes out with a message from an Obi-Wan Kenobi, and 3PO asks if Anakin knows him. He sends his message and gets captured. Anakin goes after him, and the Clone Wars start. He followed Obi-Wan to Geonosis to save him, and got caught in the Clone Wars, then becames Vader. Voila, instant damned-fool idealistic crusade.