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Gazelle
11-18-2003, 11:01 AM
I think that there is a slight difference between fans who grew up with the original trilogy, watching them at the cinema and having to wait three years between each one; and those who picked them up in a video store after 1983 and saw them all in one go.
Those of us old enough to remember the "long wait" between 1980 and 1983 have done this "waiting for the final part after a cliffhanger" thing before. And I wonder if we have much stronger views and/or affection about the original trilogy films; both in terms of the "CGI is great for the films/has ruined the films" debate and our understanding of the plot. Maybe we get mad if we think that George is tampering with the story. I dont know.
I mean this with NO DISREPECT to newer fans (post 1980-1983). I am not saying it is better to be an old fan. I am not suggesting that new fans don't love them as much, or anything to their detrement. But I think there is a difference. I just can't quite put my finger on it.
Anyone else want to agree/disagree?? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
T-bone
11-18-2003, 11:02 AM
I agree.
maddog62
11-18-2003, 02:04 PM
Although I think that the younger fan will never see starwars through my perspertive there can be new fan whom are great fans if they fall in love with the story that we fell in love with 20+ years ago. It depends on the individuel. Its all about the story not the cheese backround charactors, special effects, and CGI, all that is gravey. Its all about the fall and rise of Skywalker and the cilvil wars that catalize them.
Darth Badly
11-18-2003, 02:26 PM
I agree with you guys.
Things were simply different then.
I remember the wait between each film.
There were no internet, video games, LOTR, Matrix films around as competition as there are today.
When I was a kid I f***ing loved the three OT films.
I hung on every word that Obi-Wan & Yoda said because you'd wait three years to see them again and then there was never enough of them.
I remember being stunned by the 'I am your father' scene in ESB. I wasn't spoiled before hand. I was just amazing and blew my 14 year old mind when I saw it in the cinema.
Today (although its still a good moment) people watching the OT for the first time know about it before they even see ANH because it's become such a famous movie moment.
I've had debates with a few of the younger senators like old Bondy - and have tried to explain what it was like with a three year gap between each film, but because of today's 21st century MTV style low-attention, video-game toy shoot 'em up culture it's hard to get across the concept never mind the experience of what it was like. And equally importantly how these films and SW changed everything about cinema forever.
Just my two cents worth.
bluemilk
11-18-2003, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Gazelle@Nov 18 2003, 08:01 AM
And I wonder if we have much stronger views and/or affection about the original trilogy films; both in terms of the "CGI is great for the films/has ruined the films" debate and our understanding of the plot. Maybe we get mad if we think that George is tampering with the story. I dont know.
well it depends. On some levels I think us older OT fans can be more forgiving regarding CGI and the plot.
But somehow even though most of us love the PT (as I do) we separate it from the OT in our minds because it represents a lifetime for us, y'know? To me at least, the OT is the true Star Wars, my favourite and that will never change even if Ep III is incredible. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
but I still love the PT and the EU!
Gazelle
11-18-2003, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 18 2003, 06:26 PM
I remember the wait between each film.
There were no internet, video games, LOTR, Matrix films around as competition as there are today.
There were also no video cassettes in 1977. We didn't have a video player in the house until about 1983 if memory serves.
If you wanted to see a Star Wars movie you saw it at the cinema for the short time the theatre was showing it, and that was it for three years.
Darth Badly
11-18-2003, 08:36 PM
Absolutely.
We had a vedio tape recorder in the house around 1982, I think. But I didn't have any SW on tape - except for the great Luke Skywalker episode of the Muppet Show! (Taped on a repeat showing.)
Gazelle
11-18-2003, 08:41 PM
Yes and I am not sure movies on video were available to buy in those days. If you wanted to see a movie, you had to hire it from the video library.
Darth Badly
11-18-2003, 08:49 PM
My memory is that there weren't that many movies to rent either. Certainly I don't remember renting any of the OT until after ROTJ came out.
When ANH and ESB dissappeared from your local cinema that was it.
Gazelle
11-18-2003, 08:55 PM
If a 1977 Star Wars fan had seen an Attack of the Clones two disc dvd, it would have been like showing a caveman a wrist watch!
Obidobi
11-18-2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Gazelle@Nov 18 2003, 04:01 PM
Anyone else want to agree/disagree?? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
I agree....
maddog62
11-18-2003, 09:50 PM
I remember that my friend had a Boba Fett song. I don't know if it was some kind of offical song or he just made it up. We use to play Star Wars in the snow like it was Hoth. He told me all about the Boba Fett bak story and I was like WOW. In 1990 somebody told me thy were making the prequels and the excitment was back. 1998 I went to see a movie and saw the Ep1 trailor I was like No way they are making more Star Wars film and now I relive it again.
bluemilk
11-18-2003, 10:05 PM
most definitly. Going to the movies was an event and Star Wars was THE big deal. I remember that ET on VHS didn't come out until 1988 which was 6 years after the movie was released. Now movies go to DVD within a few months.
back then we actually played with our star wars toys instead of hording them to sell on ebay. sure some of us collected by it wasn't a business that it is today. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
maddog62
11-18-2003, 10:20 PM
I was in the Marine Corps when Ep1 came out. I can remember whole groups pf people talking in my work shop the day before it came out. We were all excited and a group of us drove out to the 29 Palms, CA Movie thearter to see it. Funny how Big Marines were fighting with young kids to get a seat in a movie thearter. I had LT's from other companies coming into my shop who drove to LA the first night to stand in line. I was jelous.
Ah, the good old days of wayback.
In those times you could watch a movie and not knowing much beforehand.
There was some info in the newspaper but it was possible to go to a theatre without knowing that Vader was Luke's father (except if you went in after Homer Simpson style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif ).
Buying the toys and then playing your own adventures was just as great.
And you knew that there would be at least another six and possibly even nine films. (too bad that it turns out that there'll only be six).
So, like Bluemilk the OT will always have a special place in my heart too, I love the PT, I love EU but the OT is the real deal.
Gazelle
11-19-2003, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by bous@Nov 19 2003, 08:32 AM
I love the PT, I love EU but the OT is the real deal.
Yes. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Gazelle
11-19-2003, 07:12 AM
Of course, there was also the issue of the "B" movie. I saw Star Wars at least ten times at the cinema in 1977 and this also involved watching the "B" movie as well. In the UK this was called "Heaven can Wait" and was about a guy who died before he was "supposed" to, and had to come back to earth.
You wonder how I remember this 26 years later? I saw it ten times didn't I! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
Sith1977
11-19-2003, 02:32 PM
I guess a big difference between the OT and the PT is the fact that back in the 70´s and 80´s, Star Wars was THE movie. There weren´t so many movies who could compete against the saga of the Skywalkers. Regardless if it came to special effects, sound, costumes etc.
Nowadays, there´s a big special effects-movie every 3 weeks. Everybody get´s used to this kind of movies, there´s no real thrill in special effects any more. Every movie tops the one before.
The OT wasn't about Special Effects, it was about the story, it was an universal story evrybody could relate to.
With the PT I'm not so sure.
Gazelle
11-22-2003, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Sith1977@Nov 19 2003, 06:32 PM
Back in the 70´s and 80´s, Star Wars was THE movie. There weren´t so many movies who could compete against the saga of the Skywalkers. Regardless if it came to special effects, sound, costumes etc.
Well, there was "Batman the Movie" with Adam West.
I for one believed that the shark was real and I was more than relieved to see that the dynamic duo had a "shark repellant bat spray" to hand. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
RollaFett
11-22-2003, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by Sith1977@Nov 19 2003, 01:32 PM
I guess a big difference between the OT and the PT is the fact that back in the 70´s and 80´s, Star Wars was THE movie. There weren´t so many movies who could compete against the saga of the Skywalkers. Regardless if it came to special effects, sound, costumes etc.
Nowadays, there´s a big special effects-movie every 3 weeks. Everybody get´s used to this kind of movies, there´s no real thrill in special effects any more. Every movie tops the one before.
You couldn't be more right!
Aurra Sing
11-23-2003, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by bous@Nov 19 2003, 06:44 PM
The OT wasn't about Special Effects, it was about the story, it was an universal story evrybody could relate to.
With the PT I'm not so sure.
I totally agree.
But see, I'm a younger fan. I was not born to see the OT in theatres. I watched them with my dad at a young age and fell in love with them. It will always be the original Star Wars for me. I complained when TPM came out. That they focused on too much the effects. Don't get me wrong, I still love them.
My parents bought ANH and ESB on video but we had to rent ROTJ. I've been searching for the original cover one that matched my old ones, but ended up having to purchase the one digitally remastered. I'll never forgive them for that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
I'm one of the younger fans that may feel like an older fan in some ways, I guess. But I agree it is the different times and everything and we are different.
Aurra Sing
11-23-2003, 06:27 PM
Hey, Thanks! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
PadmeQte
11-25-2003, 06:25 AM
It seems like there is kind of a resentment against the other movies out today. Back then, Star Wars was THE thing, it had no competition. But now it does with other movies, the biggest one being LOTR. Fans are counting down until the 3rd installment in December, and I really do feel that same excitement that I did back then as a child. Folks are paying 35 dollars and up to see all 3 movies at once for goodness sake. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
Regardless, it shouldn't matter if there is competition or not, if the films are as good as the originals, Star Wars will come out on top, if not, the movie will get lost in the fray.*shrug*
darth dru
12-09-2003, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by Gazelle@Nov 18 2003, 10:01 AM
I think that there is a slight difference between fans who grew up with the original trilogy, watching them at the cinema and having to wait three years between each one; and those who picked them up in a video store after 1983 and saw them all in one go.
Those of us old enough to remember the "long wait" between 1980 and 1983 have done this "waiting for the final part after a cliffhanger" thing before. And I wonder if we have much stronger views and/or affection about the original trilogy films; both in terms of the "CGI is great for the films/has ruined the films" debate and our understanding of the plot. Maybe we get mad if we think that George is tampering with the story. I dont know.
I mean this with NO DISREPECT to newer fans (post 1980-1983). I am not saying it is better to be an old fan. I am not suggesting that new fans don't love them as much, or anything to their detrement. But I think there is a difference. I just can't quite put my finger on it.
Anyone else want to agree/disagree?? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
You are so right in so many ways!
Handothrawn
12-10-2003, 08:34 AM
The main difference I have been able to see is that the older generation that grew up with theatre-SW, often has a bit of hostility towards the Prequels, and the Special Editions. But the ones that grew up with SW on video are more accepting of the newer branches of the saga.
Miasmo
12-10-2003, 09:15 AM
True. And the difference in style can really draw a thick line between the two trilogies. When I watch the OT, I see fewer characters and they have more personality to them. Kids of the OT ran around pretending they were saving the princess, fighting of stormtroopers, fighting darth vader, or chilling in a cantina, smuggling spice, etc. It seems like a lot of the PT kids care more about being uberjedi and ubersith, but that's the style of the PT.
Rogue_0009
12-12-2003, 09:28 AM
I think I have to agree that there is difference kinda like how I see post '99 fans.
dorkette
12-12-2003, 04:32 PM
I saw ESB and ROTJ in the theater.. Jedi being the only one I saw in it's first run. That counts, doesn't it? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif
As far as the waiting game goes.. I'm not sure if my anticipation is any higher or lower for Ep. III than it was for VI. But I know that we had to use our imaginations much more back then to fill the gap. There was no internet to spoil us or connect us. For myself and my friends it was a lot of, "Wouldn't it be cool if..?" and then acting out the scenes with our figures, etc..
When all is said and done, I think I'll still see two trilogies not one saga. I've enjoyed the PT, for the most part. Most of my criticism lies with TPM.. I actually like AOTC the more I watch it and I have high hopes for Ep. III. But it's just not the same.
I think a big reason, for me, is the lack of time spent in space. The OT earned the name "Star Wars". Space travel was a bigger theme and part of the atmosphere. Not so much in the PT. I think I miss that most of all. I felt like I was in a galaxy far, far away. In the PT you have the annoying SportsCenter announcers in the pod race, Dex's diner, the Outlander Club, etc.. that pull you right back to Earth. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif
The one theory, though, that I refuse to accept is that older fans don't appreciate the PT because we're not kids anymore. There were several scenes that gave me goosebumps and made me want to squeal in both Eps. I and II. And I'm sure the last installment will have the same effect x10. But they will remain two separate trilogies to me.
Clara
12-15-2003, 07:26 AM
<span style='color:#7000CC'>Unfortunatly, I was born in '84, so the trilogy is older than me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
I regret not having been brought up in the OT, because with the PT we already know what's going to happen. I've had to go through the long wait with the Matrix movies, and I'd hate to think what it would have been like with Star Wars.
If there was a way I could go back in time and live the experience, trust me, I would.</span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
SmokemDeathsticks
12-31-2003, 10:38 PM
And I wonder if we have much stronger views and/or affection about the original trilogy films; both in terms of the "CGI is great for the films/has ruined the films" debate and our understanding of the plot. Maybe we get mad if we think that George is tampering with the story.
I've seen the OT countless times in the theater when they originally ran. I've never been a big ANH fan but I've loved ESB and RotJ (although the latter does have its faults IMHO) since I first saw them.
About the PT, I don't care so much about the CGI. I think if that's the way GL wants to show different planets, characters, etc...then more power to him. I don't find it distracting at all; really the only thing I like a wee bit better is OT puppet-Yoda. There was something "alive" about him that just isn't there for me in the PT. But other than that I couldn't care less if a creature like JarJar or the Kaminoans are CG.
About "tampering with the story", I think it's more "evolution" than tampering. I think GL fits things in, like the Boba/Jango angle. It's better than having a "mystery donor" I suppose, for the clones, since Fett is a well known/well loved character. Mind you, the Fett thing is something I never understood or liked (honestly, I just can't stand the character), but I can definitely see where it makes sense story wise...it's a built-in kind of thing. What would have happened if Fett never caught on with the fans? Maybe the clones would have had a completely different donor.
There were no internet, video games, LOTR, Matrix films around as competition as there are today.
When I was a kid I f***ing loved the three OT films.
Amen! The biggest difference for me is the internet. Yea, I can remember the only way to spoil oneself was to read the novel ahead of time, a few weeks before the movie came out (I did this with RotJ...stupid stupid!). But it just goes to show how much I anticipated that film. *Nothing* for 3 years to tide me over, I grabbed the first thing I saw that would give me a hint of what was to come.
The internet is great because I can now converse with and read the thoughts of people who love SW just as much as I do...and I don't feel like such a freak! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif Before the internet, I didn't know a blessed soul who loved SW like me. My family and friends know how much I love it, but they don't really care one way or the other for it. With the 'net, I'm no longer alone! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Unfortunately, the flip side is I have to guard against every little thing...I have a very hard time keeping myself away from spoilers...I'm trying to be mega-spoiler free for EPIII and it's awful. But I want to see it without any previous interference. I've fallen off the wagon in little ways, but I never go to spoiler sites and I stay out of spoiler threads in any SW forums I frequent.
Obi-Stu
01-02-2004, 03:55 AM
I remember the wait between ESB & ROTJ. but as has been said the internet has heightened my anticipation for the PT films.
WalkerofSky
01-02-2004, 05:15 PM
That's an interesting question. Even though I saw JEDI in the theatre as a young lad, my SW love came through many repeated viewings on tape. Then when the Special Editions came out I was in heaven, seeing all three of those movies on the big screen was fantastic! Especially at the end of JEDI, knowing that two years later there would be the start of a brand new trilogy! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
As for the CGI taking over the story in the prequels argument, I don't buy it. If anything else the prequels are much more complex and wider in scope than the OT films were. The effects have been nothing but extraordinary in my opinion. Seeing Yoda showing us why he's a Jedi Master in EPISODE II was an amazing treat.
Lucas is utilizing CG to enhance the story, the effects are NOT the story.
The wait between these films is killing me, but thank god for the EU and other distractions. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
-WoS-
Gazelle
01-02-2004, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by WalkerofSky@Jan 2 2004, 09:15 PM
As for the CGI taking over the story in the prequels argument, I don't buy it. If anything else the prequels are much more complex and wider in scope than the OT films were. Seeing Yoda showing us why he's a Jedi Master in EPISODE II was an amazing treat.
Actually that has always been my criticism of the prequels - they seem to exist to "show" things. When some moan about stuff like young Anakin, or the lengthy exposition in some of the scenes, the argument always seems to be "Yes, but its important to show this..." A good movie can't spend its time showing you things IMO. I guess I am off topic!
Lord Chaos
01-02-2004, 09:34 PM
I believe there is a definate difference between the fans based on their age. I don't mean it offensively, but I can tell it exists. I just happen to be a fan caught between two extremes: the fans who saw the original version of the original trilogy in theaters, the fans who came into being with the Special Edition, and the fans that are being created from the Prequel Trilogy. I, by sheer chance, was fortunate enough to learn (or relearn..since the films did seem oddly familiar) of Star Wars by watching the original OT on TV (in '94, I think) after a friend asked me if I liked Star Wars. Since then I fell in love with the saga and got into the EU, even though I don't consider it canon. So, when the SE came out, I was skeptical..very skeptical of the retouched films, but eventually I gave in when I saw that Lucas wanted to go back and do some of the things he couldn't do originally and how in some places things were improved (like the opacity problem in the Hoth battle). When the Prequels were on the verge of coming out, I became excited. I remember commenting on how I wanted to see the Clone Wars. TPM was a disappointment in many ways, but the years have passed, I've become more forgiving of some of it because I see it tried to retain some of the feel of the OT. With AotC, I was awestruck.
I agree the two trilogies are not the same, but I feel a lot of the reason so many don't enjoy the PT is because filmmaking has changed. The very way in which one can present a story is completely different from how it had to be done in 1977 when Lucas had to create the effects we see now as a staple of modern films that is becoming seemingly obsolete to the new CGI effects.
I'm a relatively new fan, and I do like the overall saga, but the OT is first in my heart. There's just something special about it the PT can't touch on because of the nature of the story and the way it's filmed.
Seanakin
01-06-2004, 09:08 PM
I must agree here as well.
While I was blown away at the ages of 5 and 6 with Episode IV, in retrospect, I'd have to say the defining moment in my childhood was seeing Episode V for the first time at the age of 8. For some reason, I was hardly aware that a new SW movie was coming, in spite of the pre-promotional tie-in involving Boba Fett in 1979. So it was a case of my folks taking me to the theater and letting me watch the whole story unfold before my unspoiled eyes. Today, the only thing I remember from that was the unfolding shocker concerning Luke and his father. I'm still surprised I could recall what little was said about the matter in Episode IV, but there I was following along until Vader dropped the bomb. *SIGH* style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif
And while I'll agree that SW had little competition back in those days, there were other movies to keep me occupied in those agonizing years before Episode VI: Raiders and Clash of the Titans in '81, ET in '82 (I guess I should include Stripes even though it wasn't exactly for ten year-olds), and so forth. One thing for which I'm still thankful is that I was at the right age to enjoy the full OT before adolescence started butting in the next year at the age of 12. (20 years ago, almost...it's enough to depress me.)
gallandro
01-06-2004, 09:32 PM
Hello all, one-time board member loooong ago, and now I’m back. I saw this thread and just had to put in my two cents. I agree, overall there is a difference among fans (for the most part), but let’s put some things in perspective here:
1) We (Old…. I mean old-er fans) grew up in an era where big budget spectacular summer films were not the norm… they were the exception. In the early 70’s, besides Rocky, Jaws, and the last couple of Apes flix we really didn’t have typical summer type fare to watch… unless you wanted to watch one of the Witch Mountain films, or Gus, or other Disney fare. Remember, the 50’s/60’s era of the big budget epic spectacles was over. Today, kids are inundated with big summer fare… frankly the advent of CGI has really changed the way we look at films today. Now everybody has big SFX with big armies, big chase scenes, big explosions, etc. Even back in 1997 when the SE’s came out, there were few EVENT films each year. Now it seems every summer and Christmas-time has two or three EVENT films. Star Wars has become one of only a number of big summer event movies available each year… but still, even after 5 movies the Star Wars films do big business.
2) Today we live in a cynical world… much more cynical than the world of the 70’s. Yes we had Watergate, and we had Vietnam, society was turning on it’s head, but back in the 70’s the world was a lot more black and white than it is presented today. When we were kids we watched cop shows like “Adam-12,” “Starsky & Hutch,” “SWAT,” and rescue shows like “Emergency”, the police were the good guys, the robbers, murderers, drug dealers, etc., were the bad guys. Today kids can watch shows like “The Shield,” and “NYPD Blue” where the line delineating good guys and bad guys is very fuzzy… and let’s not go anywhere near politics.
In our day, smart-ass cartoon characters were exemplified by Bugs Bunny and the other “irreverent” Warner Bros, or Tex Avery cartoon characters. Today kids get “South Park” or any one of a number of cartoons on Nickelodeon or the Cartoon Network. In our day kids were a lot more insulated from the problems of adults… today, with our 24-7, news-obsessed society; kids are inundated with adult problems and issues, kids have a hard time just being kids. I mean there’s a reason why the re-issue of “ET” (including the DVD release) in 2002 was a huge monetary bomb for Universal. It’s not because the movie suddenly sucked, and God knows it’s not because Universal didn’t put enough money into it… it’s because the audience changed.
I’m not trying to sound like my father, or some fed up old fart, but society has changed a lot since 1977… and I’m not here to judge or to say things were a lot better back then. But to expect audiences to react to Star Wars films the same way today as we did back then is just silly. Just go to a screening of Gone With the Wind, or Casablanca, people laugh at the hokey dialogue, and the way the slightly larger than life style acting from the era.
3) Frankly, I think a lot of us old-timers view the OT with rose-colored glasses. I hear so many of us whine about how Lucas didn’t do this, or the terrible acting, or the cheesy dialogue, or the CG… “ohhh, it’s not dark enough TESB was dark, why can’t the Prequels be dark like that?” I’m sorry people, but get a grip, the Prequel Trilogy is fine.
I’ll let you in on a little secret…. Waaaayyyy back in May 1983 I was in my final semester in my Sophomore year in high school. Unfortunately final exams were on opening day of ROTJ…. Well, needless to say I buzzed through my exams, practically broke every traffic law in the books just to make it to the first showing of ROTJ (Mom and Dad put their foot down on going to the 12:01 AM show). I got a great seat, and for some two plus hours I was once again transported to that galaxy far, far, away… I loved every minute.
Then a really bad thing happened, I grew up and became a pretentious college student. I came to realize that I knew better than Lucas. Drat if only Lucas had let Kershner direct ROTJ, man that would have been great… aggghhhh those stupid teddy bears. I began to really dislike ROTJ. I kept saying to myself why couldn’t ROTJ be more like TESB.
Then another funny thing happened, I became an adult and had kids. I still remember the first time I took my girls to see the SE’s on the big screen, and boy did they have a blast. We all sat an enjoyed ANH and TESB together. Finally, we went to ROTJ, while my feelings about ROTJ had tempered over the years I was still waiting for the let down…it never came. I began to see this movie through my children’s eyes. I began to remember those long ago days in 1983 when I saw ROTJ. I fell in love with ROTJ all over again.
Then came the Prequels, again I took the wife and kids, and again we were all transported to that galaxy far, far away. We have loved both of the Prequel films, and frankly my daughters both find AOTC to be their favorite Star Wars film. Honestly, I have been a little surprised at the vitriol directed at these films. It shouldn’t surprise me though… older fans had some 16 years to brood over their own ideas on the direction the prequels should take; of course Lucas was bound to come up short. Also, I really feel one of the main reasons some fans despise these new films is that the prequels are less boy-oriented. While you could find many a female fan of Star Wars, it was still largely the domain of boys and their childhood fantasies. Of course, since Lucas has two girls his ideas about the saga have morphed somewhat. Padme is certainly a much better developed female character than Leia, and a great role model for girls.
Finally, I have to relate a funny story. This past summer we had a special charity screening of ANH to celebrate the re-opening of the Cine Capri here in Phoenix. I was really looking forward to this, and so were the kids (who were now older and could really appreciate it). We had not seen ANH on the big screen since the Special Editions. Well the film rolls and boy was I shocked… Maybe the audience (including myself) has become spoiled by the Prequels, but I saw many a stifled yawn. No one laughed at the jokes. It really wasn’t until Han shows up that the audience started to get into the film. In the first 45 minutes I saw every example of every complaint leveled at the Prequels (with the exception of Jar Jar)… After an explosive opening the film slows down to a crawl… again until Han shows up. There is some truly clunky dialogue “but I was going to Tosche station to pick up some power converters” and some awful acting (Hamill in the same scene). Don’t get me wrong, I loved watching ANH, but looking at it objectively I had to admit that ANH suffered from many of the same faults as the Prequels…
In closing, I am a Star Wars fanatic. George Lucas hasn’t let me down so far, and I doubt he will come May 2005. I can’t wait to sit down with my wife and kids in a darkened theater, watch those famous words flash across the screen, hear the opening strains of the Star Wars Theme, and be transported across the galaxy….
Yancy
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