BOOKS/MOVIES: Harry Potter and the Billion Dollar Franchise

[Senator Amory]

Hey All,

Senator Amory here.
As you all may know, I am a die-hard SW fan, but aren't we all!? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

But not only am I a SW fan, I am also a huge HP fan as well. So, on this thread, I welcome all of my fellow HP fans to drop in and give a little inspiration on what is coming, what might come, or even what you would like to see come, in the future Harry Potter books. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

I would really love to hear your opinions!(and your facts!) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif

[BL-17]

Greetings, Senator Amory

Hopefully, like the first film, all of the upcoming sequels will follow the books. 'Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone' did a great job of that. It was almost exactly like the book with very few discrepancies, in my opinion. I'm quite a fan of the series as well and I just hope we won't be greatly dissapointed.

[Senator Amory]

Well, if Chris stays the director through all of the series, then we can bet that the movies will follow the books as best as possible. His main reason for him getting the job is because he didn't want to change anything. That's why the movie was filmed in Britain with all British and Scotish actors. Even the changes that he had to make, to fit the book on screen, he did not like doing them, as he said. And if he does start to stray from the books, I'm pretty sure Jo will have him done away with. She basically has most, if not all, of the say so in how the movie will go. And that is a realy good thing.

PS: Just think about it, if Steven Spielberg directed HP, guess who would have played the main role? Yep, you guessed it, Haley Jo Osmand. Isn't that pathetic? Why does Stevie like him so much anyways? :eh:

[BL-17]

Hmm... I'm sensing you don't like Osment. Heh. He's all right. I don't think he'd be right for the role of Potter, however.

I heard Columbus was supposed to direct all of them, but that can change easily. Remember what happened with Mortal Kombat? Oh, boy. The first one was pretty good, but when the sequel came out, which was directed by a different person, it tanked. I like Columbus's directing style and I like the way he adapted the film. Hey, if Columbus leaves the job, maybe Lucas could take over. :happy: That would be interesting.

[Senator Amory]

Woooo doggy!! We are in for a ride if Lucas gets a holt to 'em! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif Columbus is going to do all 7 movies, so don't worry. It fells pretty wiered when me and only one other person are posting on my topic. Oh well, this can be our little corner of the Senate I guess. :p

[BL-17]

Well, that's good. I'd hate to see it fall into the wrong hands and get ruined. Actually, this has only happened to me a few times. Sort of like using a chat program, eh?

May as well mention this since I can't think of anything else to say. You know what I recently bought off e-Bay? The Britain Harry Potter DVD set. Not much difference, really. Just the title. "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone". I'm still trying to find a First Edition Lord of the Rings book set. Costs quite a bundle, I'm told.

[Brian]

Sorry to come in hear and ruin your merry chat about HP, but here goes....

I am sure the HP books are entertaining (never read them), but I believe that they promote witch craft to little children which is just wrong! *I don't agree with such atrocities, Halloween included. *I can't believe parents are buying into that stuff. *I was shocked to see kids dressed up as witches at the HP movie premier and parents were just okay with it. *Witch craft and those that act as witches are evil, not a fun hobby for kids. *Sure there are worse things on the television, in movies, and on radio, but most parents recognize on those mediums what is inappropriate for children. *My problem is that parents are embracing this idea because it is a dressed up, "fun" way of promoting witch craft (which is evil, IMHO, and according the the Holy Bible). *I know I am in the minority (with the exception of some Christian groups), but parents really should be more careful of what they let their children read. *Feel free to ream me with complaints, but my opinion stands! (and no, I am not going to read the books nor watch the movie). *I am not perfect, but no one is. *I just can't support, nor embrace the HP phenominon.


This is not to attack those that read and enjoy the HP books and movie, but a warning to parents that HP may not be what their children should be reading (the responsibilty falls on the parents to police what their 9 year old child reads). *Hey, I can't tell parents how to raise their children, but I can say my piece whether they agree or disagree with me. *If you are old enough to realize what you are reading, then by all means, read on. *I am not trying to stop people from reading what they want, but letting you know how I feel.

[DanielSkywalker]

Hi, Gates, whereas I don't necessarily condem Harry Potter, I can see where you're coming from, and do agree that parents should be very mindful of what their children are watching. The television is so full of crap these days, and the majority of it shouldn't be viewed by little children. Have you visited the "In the Light" thread? Perhaps you should check it out; it seems to me like you would be right at home.

[Brian]

I have been considering the "In the Light" thread for sometime, but my spiritual life is kind of at a standstill right now. I feel bad about that, but I can still see when something is obviously wrong (HP). I suppose I will go over there one day. It may be what I need. Heck, I will go say hello right now.

P.S. Harry Potter is evil! :devil:

[Darth Mount]

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hey gates, I personally love hp, and I can't *entirely disagree with your opinion, but hp is not evil. *It depends on the family you're raised in. *I was raised in a family where I learn the right things, and I have not been effected by the hp books. *If you are not well parented, or older than 9 though.......any thing can have an influence on you. *so......it depends style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif

p.s. how do you get those cool pictures?[CODE] style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif [CODE]

[Handothrawn]

When will the Order of the Pheonix be out? She put it off nearly five times now.

[Brian]

Darth Mount, of course it depends, but the fact that it is out there is still a 'disturbance in the force.' I see it as just another vessel to keep children (or people in general) away from God. I don't know the author's religious beliefs, but her novels ARE promoting evil to kids (IMHO). Stephen King writes horror (evil) novels, but they are by no means reading material for children. I could get frightened from his books.

I am glad that people understand where I am coming from. I see the HP phenomenon as 'potential' danger to kids, not 'emminent' danger (at least not yet). I just won't allow my children to read them (and try to convince my young family members to not read them). Outside of that, it is up to parents to make informed decisions about that sort of thing.

[Meche]

Speaking of the Force, I always thought that Harry Potter's school of magic and witches is just the like the Jedi in SW. It's potentially harmful, but they're okay if they're disciplined and use their knowledge and powers for good only. In fact this can be applied anywhere in life.

[Senator Amory]

If you say Harry Potter is evil, then you have to say that StarWars is evil, Practical Magic is evil, Wizard of Oz is evil, Lord of the Rings is evil, and the list could go on and on! If you think that HP is teaching witchcraft, then you might as well say that SW teaches that God does not exist, that only a mysterious Force exist, not a God. I can argue this all day long if I need to, but I hope you get my point. I go to the Church of Christ, and I plan to be a preacher some day, and I do not think that Harry Potter teaches witchcraft. Harry Potter is only a series of books and a movie that are there to entertain the imagination of children and adults alike. It is not telling children to go out there and practice witchcraft and wizardry. Children who are reading the books need to be old enough to realize the difference between what is real, and what is fantasy. And if people still try to do witchcraft, then they are doing it of their own free will, not because they were told, or influenced to do it, by the Harry Potter books.

People are always encouraging children to read, but when they finally find something that strikes their interest and imagination, someone always has to find something wrong with it. When will people realize that this world is not perfect, and will not bend to their every whim every time they find something wrong? Goodness!

And for HandoThrawn,

I have no idea when it will be out. First it was supposed to be out in July of last year, then they kept it off till Thanksgiving, then HP's theatrical release, then it's release onto video, but I still have no Order of the Phoenix in my hands though. I'm getting very impatient about it too. I have even contacted David Colbert, author of The Magical Worlds of Harry Potter, and he doesn't even know when it will be out. How much you wanna bet that they will come out and say that it will not come out till CoS movie? I wouldn't doubt it. :hmmm:

[Tyranus]

<span style="color:red">Yeah I love the Harry Potter books, I own two of them. I found it interesting that Harry Potter books were actually for adults thats what I heard weird eh? But it's a great book to read. I haven't seen the movie yet, but my friend's brother watches it everyday Wow!</span>

[Brian]

Originally posted by Senator Amory@June 24 2002 - 15:49
If you say Harry Potter is evil, then you have to say that StarWars is evil, Practical Magic is evil, Wizard of Oz is evil, Lord of the Rings is evil, and the list could go on and on! If you think that HP is teaching witchcraft, then you might as well say that SW teaches that God does not exist, that only a mysterious Force exist, not a God. I can argue this all day long if I need to, but I hope you get my point. I go to the Church of Christ, and I plan to be a preacher some day, and I do not think that Harry Potter teaches witchcraft. Harry Potter is only a series of books and a movie that are there to entertain the imagination of children and adults alike. It is not telling children to go out there and practice witchcraft and wizardry. Children who are reading the books need to be old enough to realize the difference between what is real, and what is fantasy. And if people still try to do witchcraft, then they are doing it of their own free will, not because they were told, or influenced to do it, by the Harry Potter books.

People are always encouraging children to read, but when they finally find something that strikes their interest and imagination, someone always has to find something wrong with it. When will people realize that this world is not perfect, and will not bend to their every whim every time they find something wrong? Goodness!
I do get you point and I have considerd that very thing that you bring up. *Here is my rebuttle:

Everyone is entitled to opinions. *Mine is the HP is promotting witch craft to little children (intentionally or unintentionally). *I have not read the novels nor seen the film nor do I have a desire to. *As I said earlier, there are other things out there that are way worse than HP, but I do not agree with it masquarading around as a fun children's tale. *Sure, the stories may be entertaining, but that doesn't make them appropriate for children. *That is my main objection, HP is influential to children and could have children believing that witch craft is a "cool" thing. *It is not cool, it is evil!

Regarding Star Wars, LOTR, Wizard or Oz; I actually enjoyed them as a child and do not see them as evil. *Star Wars has the Force, but there are times that characters in SW make comments like "I pray that that day never comes" - Padme[paraphrased]. *Pray to whom, the Force or God? *I don't think SW is evil because of the nature of the story. *It is set in an environment that is not realistic (in our reality) and it is a tale of change, good vs. evil, and love (with a plethora of special effects to appease us). *The Wizard of Oz's antagonist was the Wicked Witch of the East and there was no question that she was meant to be evil. *It was virtually a tale of friendship, accepting people (or beings) as they are, and good vs. evil. *I don't see that as being purely evil. *It taught some type of lesson. *Now, when I began to think that HP was indeed an evil phenomenon, I looked at LOTR and asked myself, "is there a difference?" *The only evil in LOTR was from Sauron and his minions. *Okay, okay, Gandalf is a wizard, not much different from a witch or sorceror, but I don't think his character warrents that the entire series be pegged as evil. *He was PART of a larger story that was about good vs. evil. *(-=insert ream here=-) *I have not seen practical magic because I figured it was about a bunch of witches. *That just doesn't interest me at all. *I would not be able to make an informed decision on that movie.

Almost forgot this quote: "Children who are reading the books need to be old enough to realize the difference between what is real, and what is fantasy."

Well, that is up to parents and I don't believe parents are doing that. *Nine year olds are not ALWAYS old enough to know the difference. *Why do you think we have so many teenagers worshiping the devil and all that stuff? Of course there are way too many factors to consider (music, television, peers, etc.), but this is just one thing that could lead to a path down the "dark side."

Funny thing is, I may enjoy the HP novels if I read them, but I just cannot embrace witch craft that is promotted towards children. *For those that read and enjoy HP, keep on doing what you do. *I do not condem HP to all, but AGAIN, parents should be careful of what their young children read.

I am not perfect, nor is my argument perfect, but I think it is still a valid one.

[Senator Amory]

Harry Potter is the tale of a young boy who's parents, when he was only one year old, were both killed by an evil wizard named Voooo(we dare not speak his name, okay, Voldemort) who's real name is Thomas (Tom) Riddle. After he killed Harry's parents, who were ginuinly good and kind-hearted people, he turned to kill Harry. But the curse back-fired in some way, and depleted him to actually nothing. The story goes on to tell about Harry's life, and his run-ins with wizards who are in league, or who practically are the evil He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. The Harry Potter series is actually a genuine tale of good versus evil, even though, yes witchcraft is evil.

But O-B-Gates,
in your mind, you are speculating that if the main character was helped by a good wizard,(Gandalf), then the story is not evil. Well, Harry might be a good wizard, but he is also helped by good wizards and witches,(Pro. McGonagall, Mr. Weasly, Mrs. Weasly, Hagrid, and so on and so forth) and is constantly fighting against an evil one. Gandalf is a wizard, therefore, would be considered evil in the Bible. The good Witch of the North, Glinda, is a witch, but she is still depicted as a "good" witch. So why, may I ask, can you find nothing wrong with this, but yet you still find Harry Potter to be evil? The story of Harry Potter doesn't take place in this world either. It takes place at Hogwarts. A school in the wizarding world, completely different than this world all together, well in some aspects. In Hogwarts, they even teach a class call Defense Against the Dark Arts. They do not want their children growing up delving into evil witchery, so they teach them to protect themselves against it. Yoda teaches Jedi to use the Force against the Sith, Dumbledore teaches his pupils to use their powers against the DarkSide as well. Against evil wizards and witches. Lord Sidious uses his dark powers to abolish good Jedi and anyone who does not follow him. And Vold, You-Know-Who uses his powers to abolish good witches and wizards, and even Muggles(non-magic folk). Practically anyone who doesn't follow him. Harry Potter is no more evil than StarWars, or Lord of the Rings. In every children's movie, you will probably see them doing a spell, a sauonce(is that how you spell it?), or something, and they seem to display it to be okay. I believe that as long as you know right from wrong, and know not to do it yourself, then there is no problem with Harry Potter.

Okay, now HP fans, lets get on into discussing our speculations for the future books. I'll start it off;

I think Dumbledore is really evil and behind the whole plot against Harry Potter. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/butbut.gif

I know, I know. Ask me why, and I'll give you my reasons later. I don't want to make this post longer than it already is. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif

[Meche]

Well, there is some indication that the people in the Harry Potter story believe in God; in fact are Christians. *They celebrate Christmas after all. *
And I don't see the difference between kids pretending to be Jedi and waving their hand around, and pretending to be wizards and waving their wands. *Nothing happens for real in either case; they just imagine.

[Senator Amory]

Thank you Meche!!!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

There is after all the Hufflepuff House Ghost, the Fat Friar. And if anyone doesn't know, a friar is a priest or a monk of oldendays. Dumbledore himself told Harry that,"such and such is not a sin Harry," but by the life of me, I cannot find where he said that at, or what he was talking about. I'll find it later and put it on here when I have the time. And good point about Christmas.

PS: I just cannot type today! I have gone through every post I have posted and probably corrected about a thousand mistakes in each one! Errrrr! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hmmm.gif

But it's all good. ;)

[Brian]

That's just my opinion. *It still stands. *I did say my argument was not perfect, even biased at times, but "I have a strange feeling about this" Harry Potter.

Read on! *After all, "reading IS fundamental".

I won't bug you guys anymore with my HP bashing. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[wagnike2]

hey gates, I don't really see a problem with harry potter I mean most kids seem to know that it's fictional and that there aren't really wizards and stuff but yea, the best thing is though parents should just moniter their kids

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkblue">Bump back to the 1st page.

And all Harry Potter fans,

Please post what you would like to discuss about HP here, as this thread was originally intended for.

Chancellor Amory style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif</span>

[Rebel Astromech Droid]

Nice to see I;m not the only one who like Harry Potter. My friends at school think I'm insane but they love me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[queenamadila]

i love Harry Potter. maybe it does promote witchcraft a little bit but if you were going to say that about everything then lord of the rings puts wrong thaughts into peoples heads (e.g. rings are magical, or, gnomes really do excist)
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anyways, i sooo cant wait till the 5th book comes out.
what do you guys think will happen in it? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkblue">Well, I'm fixin' to tell you what I think is going to happen.

I think the title,"Order of the Phoenix", is the name of the "old group" mentioned by Dumbledore in "Goblet". And it has been confirmed, by Ms. Rowling herself, the Mrs. Arabella Figg, also mentioned by Dumbledore in "Goblet" is the same Mrs. Figg, the one with all those cats, that kept Harry when he wasn't allowed to go to Dudley's parties. And she has also stated that someone least expected to do so, will do magic in "Phoenix". And I, for some reason, believe that to be Aunt Petunia. Here's why I think so.

In the movie, Petunia's jealousy over her sister stood out eminsly, and probably for good purpose. Ms. Rowling worked with the film alot. I believe that Aunt Petunia also went to Hogwarts, but was overshadowed by her sister's success, so she probably dropped out, and became the "least of these" in her family, and probably also in the Wizarding World. Therefore, she turns away from the wizarding ways, and marry's a "great muggle", Vernon, and tries to forget about her past, until Harry shows up on her door step. But she, for some reason, kept her wand and "equiptment"(well hidden against Vernon, of course. Or maybe he even knows.), and since Voldemort rose in "Goblet", she finds it deep within herself to once again do magic to protect her nephew whom she, truly and deep down inside, loves with all her heart. But of course, this is just what I think, and might not even happen. Or it might be her, but not happen the way I think it might. But now I am just rambling along, and I really hope to hear your comments on this.

Senator Amory</span>

[GaViN28x]

I just got in to HP and i for think you are way off the path, i really don't think Harrys aunt was ever a witch, but then that your opinion so thats ok, I have no real speculation for the next book but i do hope we see a lot more of Sirius (hope i spelled that right) cause i love his character.

[Senator Amory]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>...i for think you are way off the path, i really don't think Harrys aunt was ever a witch...[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:darkblue">Ah hah, see, you least expect her to be the one to do magic! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Plus, while I was reading the Harry Potter books, I just got alot of suspicion about Aunt Petunia, and then while I read what Ms. Rowling said, I then came to believe that Aunt Petunia would be the one. There are alot of things in all the HP books that lead me to think that Petunia is the one, but I can not find them right now. I strickly remember reading them, but I can't remember what they said or where they are. maybe if I re-read some of the books, I can find them again. Well, talk to yaw later. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif

Senator Amory</span>

[Senator_Tiffany_Skywalker]

Ok... Here's what I know..
-Professor Lupin will be brought back into the story in book five b/c if you remember, in Goblet of Fire at th end, Sirius was told by Dumbledore to hide out at Lupin's house..
-Harry and Hermione, of coarse, are going to end up together, probabnly in 6 or 7.. What's weird is this-- Harry's mother was 1/2 muggle, so is hermione. James was a quiddich player while lily was top of her class, like Harry and Hermione.. And I figure that harry and Hermione are going to be head boy and girl in 7 b/c that just fits doesnt it?
-Voldemort will slowly kill off more and more important characters ending with a main one like Ron or someone.. Or he might try to kill Hermione when Harry manages to rescue her and thats when they decide to get together or something...
-Snape will be gone alot in 5 b/c he's out spying
-Aunt Petunia is a witch with no powers..?
-Harry will be quiddich captain
-Alot will be revealed about Hagrid's heritage...
-Hagrid's mom will show up as a good guy in one of the books
-The weasley's will still have alot left over from the 10,000 galleons they got in 4...

Now a question.. What ever happened to Harry's grandparents????

[GaViN28x]

That is a question i would like answered also, where are his grandparents in all this. if they were alive he should have gone to them cause they are ok with the wisard thing. But I seem to remeber dumbledor saying that the Dursleys were his only family alive or something, so i am guessing they are dead or this could be one of those spcefic point of view things that we see so often in Starwars. hmmmm i wounder..... guess we will just have to wait for the release, by the way any body know when that is.

[Senator Amory]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Now *a question.. What ever happened to Harry's grandparents?[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:darkblue">That is a very good question. If you remember, unlike the movie, the book had many more people in the "Mirror of Erised". And remember, the conversation Dumbledore and McGonagall had in "Stone",

This next quote is copyrighted material:
Text Copyright © 1997 by J.K. Rowling;
All Rights Reserved</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> *"Yes," said Professor McGonagall. "And I don't suppose you're going to tell me why you're here, of all places?"
*"I've come to bring Harry to his aunt and uncle. They're the only family he has left now."[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:darkblue">Since Harry saw his "Potter" side of the family, I'm speculating, in the Mirror, then I am going to suggest that they were also either killed my Voldemort, or they just died before Lily and James were murdered. I don't know, and it could get a little complicated. But I do believe that Godric Gryffindor is Harry's ancestor. Remember that red and gold sparks flew out of Harry's wand(in the book) when he was finding one to buy. And in "Chamber", Dumbledore told Harry that only a true Gryffindor could have pulled that sword from the hat, then Harry turned it over and it had "Godric Gryffindor" written on it. And last but certainly not least, Harry's parent's lived in "Godric's Hollow" when Harry was a baby. I believe this will all tie in to something greater in the future books, and also have a huge clue of Harry defeating Voldemort in the very end, if it is Voldemort that is truly after him.(I suspect, Professor Dumbledore)</span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>-Aunt Petunia is a witch with no powers..?[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:darkblue">I don't think she is a witch with no powers, I think that she does have powers, but does not use them, because she is trying to get over her insulting past. Because of her jealousy and being overshadowed by her sister, Lily. Although I do not think Lily meant for Petunia to fell this way. Lily, more than likely, loved her sister deeply.

And another thing, Ms. Rowling also said that we will also learn what Harry's parents did for a living. I think she was refering to "Phoenix", but I'm not certain. But probably so. And if so, we will finally learn where they got all that money from! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif</span>

[Senator Amory]

Bump back to the 1st page. Errrrrrr. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[GaViN28x]

What do u mean back to the first page Amory.

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkblue">Well, when a topic is not posted on for a while, it gets pushed back to further pages like 2,3,4 by other topics that recently got posted on. So, since no one hardly ever checks those "2,3,4"pages, I put that there to put it on the first page so I could possibly get someone here to post and bring up a good discussion. Which no one has done so far. It's been about a full week that no one has posted here. So I'm thinking about just giving up on it.</span> ???

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkred">Okay, are people just too scared, or embarrased, to admit that they like Harry Potter, or what? I'm just curious. I just thought that this might be a good place to get some good HP discussion going. But maybe I was wrong. Who knows.</span> :bored:

[Rinc]

What i think will happen and i apologise if i get anything wrong because i have forgotten all the details:

- The old gang - Lupin, Sirius and others, fight against Voldemort. These people all seemed quite powerful and it didn't seem as if the ministry of magic was going to do anything.
- I think Ron and Hermione will get together. If you remember they both seemed quite jealous of the other when there was the prom thingy.
- Hagrid and the head of that other school have gone off to see the giants and stop them joining Voldemort - possible romance between the two as well.
- Ron will be head prefect and captain of the quidditch team. It was in the mirror that they see their deepest desires and so i think Ron will follow this through.
- Not sure who the person will be using powers when we didn't expect it. Maybe Rowling was referring to Figg because i can't think of anyone else. I really don't think Petunia would.

Anymore anyone?

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkblue">I think that you are right about the Ministry of Magic not doing anything. Because Dumbledore practically was the Minister of Magic, through Cornelius. So, without Dumbledore working with him, he will practically be out on a limb, and will be too scared to do anything.

* And as for Ron and Hermione getting together, I think your right. Jo has already said that there might actually be something between them in the future.

* And I would like to see Hagrid settle down with Madam Maxime, Headmistress of Beauxbatons.(Maybe she can give him a diploma from her school so he can use magic, legally, since he was expelled from Hogwarts in his second years.) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

* Anyways, about Ron. If Ron's not in Quidditch , then he couldn't be Captain. Well, I guess he could always start Quidditch any year. But Dumbledore did say that the Mirror of Erised neither gives us knowledge, nor truth. It only shows us the deepest desires of our hearts. And Ron only saw those things, because deep down inside, he felt over-shadowed by his older brothers, and their accomplishments. But that's just my thoughts.

* I'd like to hear all your thoughts on these and other things as well. Thanks for replying, Rinc. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif</span>

[Rinc]

I think Ron also feels overshadowed by Harry. Harry is the real hero, Ron just a helper. Harry is the quidditch star, the one who gets all the attention and fame. I think Ron, because of this, will eventually have a lot of success at Hogwarts. Hermione is the brainy one, Harry the star, so i expect Ron to shine in other ways, ie. head prefect and eventually quidditch captain. I think the current quidditch captain was in his final year in Goblet of Fire so i suppose that does open a door for Ron. He'll get Hermione as well because Harry seems to have his heart set on wots-her-name Choo.

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkgreen">But didn't Wood graduate in Azkaban, (aka. Harry's 3rd Year at Hogwarts to people who don't know)? Plus, there was no Quidditch in Goblet because of the Triwizard Tournament. And I found that very dissappointing because I like to read the Quidditch parts.

I was pretty sad about what happened to Cedric. It was completely unexpected! But that's all I'm going to say about that because it would be major spoilers to those who haven't read yet.

Oh, and I think that the Dementors will eventually be won over to Dumbledore's side.( If that's a good thing! ) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif</span>

[Javen]

I think Harry Potter who is really Marylan Mansons illigitamate
son grows up and stops playing with broomsticks and becomes a car salesman.

[Mann]

I have a question. If people are so concerned about witchcraft being taught to younger kids, Why are you so worried? isn't witchcraft sort of fake! It isn't real. You say that some kids don't know waht is real and waht is not, but how can they practice something that isn't real. I agree with earlier statements, that if you say harry POtter is bad, than all films dealing with fantasy and supernatural forces are bad. so basically 30-40% of films out there are promoting evil teachings? No, they are from the imagination of people like J.K. Rowling who want to make some money and kids happy. And If you haven'tread the stories, don't be so quick to judge them. They are fun and like a Roah Dahl(sp?) book.

[Senator Amory]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And If you haven'tread the stories, don't be so quick to judge them.[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:darkred">Thanks Mann,

You stole the word right out of my mouth! It's nice to have another person who agrees with me.</span>


<span style="color:darkblue">Mann,

The practice of witchcraft is a sin, according to the Bible. Even if you can't really do anything with it. Just as you can't really shoot lightning from you fingers with the Force of the SW galaxy. The practice itself isn't real and cannot really do anything. The only thing wrong about it is the disobeying of God's Word, when you try and practice it.

I even plan to be a preacher someday, and I still read Harry Potter, thoughrouly enjoy it, and find nothing wrong with it. Just as long as I don't try to actually do a fake spell from these fantasy books, or try to ride a broomstick, I am alright.</span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Rogue_0009]

My amazing predictions are..

Dumbledore will be killed by You-Know-Whom(it is whom and it bugs me when ppl say Who) similar to the way Obi died(without the dissapearing)

Snape and Mcgonigal will hook up

You-Know-Whom is Harry's real father(here I refer back to CoS when Riddle and Harry are talking riddle says " we even sort of look alike" while he was disscusing their similarities.

and I did catch the Ms Figg ref. in Goblet but when mentioning this to my sister she said I was dumb and that I was wrong. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

And this is my freverent hope that Dean Thomas(the muggle-born dude in Harry's dorm) or Hermione will make a reference to Star Wars.

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkblue">Hey guys, this is where I got some of my information from. But most of the other stuff is just what I think will happen. For instance, the whole "Dumbledore behind the whole thing"...thing. Well, she touches-up on that a little bit too. Here's the link;

Transcript of J.K. Rowling's live interview on Scholastic.com (October 16, 2000) (http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/author/transcript2.htm)

Enjoy!</span>

[Mann]

Harry Potter isn't asking kids to practice witchcraft of any kind. It is asking kids to use there Imagination. If I saw star wars, do you think I would go home and try to move things with my mind? Harry Potter is fun, it talks about some boy's journey through j.K. Rowling's mind of a Fantasy World.

[Rogue_0009]

I totally agree Mann

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:orange">I totally agree with you too. I didn't say anything about it actually asking kids or persuading kids to go home and practice witchcraft. And I only used StarWars as an example to bring my point across. I totally agree with you on the point that is only a journey through the imagination of a really briliant author. As all sci.fi/fantaysbooks are, if there good. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif </span>

[Senator Amory]

The following information is from;

The Leaky Cauldron (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/)

Alfonso Cuaron has been signed to direct Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, the third movie in the Harry Potter series for Warner Bros. Pictures, it was announced today by Lorenzo di Bonaventura, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Motion Pictures, Warner Bros. Cuaron is best known for directing the critically acclaimed Y Tu Mama Tambien as well as the enchanting children's classic A Little Princess. Production is scheduled to begin in England in the first quarter of 2003.

&

The film will be produced by David Heyman, Chris Columbus and Mark Radcliffe for release by Warner Bros. Pictures in the summer of 2004.

[Mann]

Oh god, it's set to come out in 2004! what the heck? Now the kids are gonna be way too old to play 13 year olds. Why can't they start earlier.

Oh, and thank god Chris Columbus isn't directing!

[Senator Amory]

Why do you say that about Chris? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif

Oh, and they have said that it is because they want to give the leading actors(Daniel, Rupert, and Emma) a short break before they start shooting again. It won't be too long though because it takes more than a whole year(or more) to make a Harry Potter movie(with "digitality" and including the longer book), and 2002 is almost over. So they will have to begin shooting the first sceens of the movie either late next spring or early summer. And I might need to warn WB, that's not too far off. So, I guess it might turn out alright.

But it was said that the real reason why their waiting is because next year, in the fall, the final movie of the Matrix trilogy will be released, and since Warner Bros. does both movies, they don't want them both competing against each other in the box-office. Since they would be released around the same time. Always in the fall(usually November).

[Senator Amory]

PS: Daniel is younger than his character. So it might not be so bad. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Mann]

The first Harry potter came out like four days before they statred shooting the sequel. It doesn't take longer than a year to make the movie, it takes them about four months to shoot it. Then they edit it withthe F/X which aren't superb but competent. They should have shot the two movies back to back.

Why don't I like Chris? He just isn't a good director. I dislike him for not really doing anything in his films. Maybe Home Alone, but nothing else really.

[Senator Amory]

I personaly thought that he did a pretty good job with Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's(Philosopher's) Stone. And probably with Chamber of Secrets as well, but I did not like the second book that much. It is my least favorite in the whole lot. So far. And, I thought he did a real good job with Mrs. Doubtfire too. But that is only opinion.

It might have taken these two movies that short of time, but now we are going into the further books in the HP trilogy. Azkaban will do doubtly take longer to film. And Goblet will most definitly take longer, and to fit a lot of it on screen, Goblet will have to be a little over 3 hours. And it will take about a whole year or a little over a year to film, edit, f/x, and do what ever else to it, since it is a rather large book. And the f/x in Stone were kinda funky(especially the troll sceen), so I hope they take more time on this area and make them better for the later movies.

[Handothrawn]

[quote=Senator Amory,June 29 2002 - 21:43]But I do believe that Godric Gryffindor is Harry's ancestor. Remember that red and gold sparks flew out of Harry's wand(in the book) when he was finding one to buy. And in "Chamber", Dumbledore told Harry that only a true Gryffindor could have pulled that sword from the hat, then Harry turned it over and it had "Godric Gryffindor" written on it. And last but certainly not least, Harry's parent's lived in "Godric's Hollow" when Harry was a baby. I believe this will all tie in to something greater in the future books, and also have a huge clue of Harry defeating Voldemort in the very end, if it is Voldemort that is truly after him.(I suspect, Professor Dumbledore)



I just don't see the whole "Harry is Gryffindor's Heir" thing happening at all.

The Harry Potter books have the recurring theme, which is also present in the SW films I might add, that it is not to whom you are born, and the purity of your blood, but what you grow to be that truly defines a person. Thats just my opinion, that and a nickel can buy you a cup of coffee.

[Mann]

You really think they can afford to do Goblet of Fire? It would take way too long, and the book is twice as long as any of the others.

Filming a movie takes about 3 months. Not alot of time. The f/x and editing take about as much time as is needed for the film. Harry Potter doesn't pride itself on special f/x like star wars which takes years to make (podracer scene took two years alone). They should have done like the Lord of the Rings and just made two back to back. then they could have waited for Goblet of fire, cause they'd have two years to make it. By the way, the possibility that they will do a fourth isn't certain. I don't think the kids want to.

The Chamber of Secrets could actually be better than the first. The whole hype about it being much darker and scarrier than the Philosopher's Stone is neat. Harry Potter just keeps getting darker. that is cool. Chamber has no real plot revelations or suprises (minus the Heir to Slytherin). That is why it could be good, it tread the same area and gets better.

Here's a question: Who thought the actors were good? I thought that Rupert Grint and Emma Watson were excellent but Radcliffe was okay. I never really liked Harry, he isn't very interesting. The acting is what makes the movie work.

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkblue">* * I thought they picked the perfect actors for the perfect charatcers. All the characters in the movies are exactly how I pictured them in my head. I, for one, think the cast is great. Even though Radcliff could do a little work.

* * As for the Chamber of Secrets movie, I just saw clips of it today on Entertainment Tonight(ET), and I must say, it looks very promising. As for the book, Chamber of Secrets, I did not like it that much. I don't think it followed the "line" too well, but it looks as though the movie version will be better than the first movie.

* * And as for Goblet of Fire movie, if they don't finish the HP series, by goodness I will do it! I will even act all the parts if I need to. That triliogy shouldn't have been put on film in the first place if they didn't ever plan on finishing it! Plus, I think Jo has said that WarnerBros. had bought the rights to all seven books. And why wouldn't they be able to make Goblet into a movie? A production company made Titanic which was a three hour movie, and I don't think Goblet would be that much different. Only, I would like for it to be all on the same tape. I hate the "seperate-tapes" concept.

* * And I agree with you on the books getting darker. I love that. Have you read all the books yet? If not, you really need to.

* * And I think you are right about the "back-to-back" concept that Lord of the Rings took. Because it is going to take considerable time film Goblet, and now here they are taking a break between Chamber and Azkaban. What's up with that. But, like I said, I don't think the break will be too long. I think shooting wil begin in the fall or winter...maybe. But, if it takes such a short time to film a HP movie, why don't they just go ahead and finish it, and release it before Matrix III comes out.

* * But hey, here's the puch-line. They did get a new director for Azkaban, so maybe he wants the f/x and everything else to be perfect before it is released. maybe that is the reason they are going to wait...supposedly.(They might not be waiting at all, but that's just what they told the public. So we can be suprised.) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif</span>

[Mann]

They said they wont start filming till 2003. The new director hasn't worked much with f/x, his credits aren't that amazing. Y tu Mama tambien is good, but no real advance in sf/x. This but hey, Sam Rami did Spiderman so you never know...

Oh, and I have read all the books. I read the first in 3 days, the second in 2, the third in 2, and the fourth in three.

[glorfindel]

Sorry, going back to the whole"Harry Potter encourages Witchcraft" thing, I dont mean to offend anyone but It's my opinion that it is the duty of the parent's not the government to watch out for their kid's. if you happen to believe that it's a "sin" to pretend witchcraft etc, dont let you're kid's watch it! I'm not arguing with cencorship law's, they are important bet to try and have something banned just because of supernatural element's is stupid. It's hard to get anyone to read in today's world of TV, VCR, Cable and DVD so I see anything that encourages reading as being just what the world need's

I get given a bit of a hard time about being a Harry fan, probably because I'm 18 but I dont care HP is a brilliant series. I read more than alot, not just SF and fantasy but just about everything (except for crime fiction and anything by Bryce Courtny which I hate)

I was REALLY happy to see English and Scotish actors in the movie, I was a bit woried about it being Americanised (no offence) but was relieved to hear the distinct lack of US accents. The actors were prety-much all perfect to their roles, specially Snape I love Allan Rickman in everything but he was brilliant in the role of Snape.

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkblue">* * I think it is stupid for some HP-hating-parents trying to run the way other parents raise their own children. I will garauntee you that if they spend some time actually reading a HP book, they will more than likely come to like it. It is just so stupid that they judge a book because of what it has in it. Well, Wizard of Oz had witchcraft in it, but you don't see them trying to bann it do you? That is just so stupid. A lot of parents are so ignorant in today's world. Like not sapnking their children. Well, not spanking your children is just as bad as practicing witchcraft. God himself said, "Spare the rod, you spoil the child." And God made it clear that you are not suppose to spoil your child. You are suppose to make your child mind and respect you as his/her parent.

* * Alright, enough of my rambling.

* * Mann,
I'm not a speed reader like a lot of other people. The fastest that I've ever read a novel was when I read Chamber of Secrets in two days. And that's it. But I have read a good bit of books though. And I have even started writing a book. Which I plan to follow-up on it and make it into a series. I plan on making it about a world-kingdom on a magical world.(It's a fantasy novel 'hopeful', similar to the magical worlds in LoTR and what not). It's hopefully going to be about the kingdom's creation, peaceful times, hardships, it's fall, and eventually it's rise again.
* * If I wrote it and got it published, would you guys buy it and read it? Just curious.</span>

[Mann]

If you published it, I'd buy it. I like Fantasy ans Science fiction books.

[Handothrawn]

I have come to think that Harry isn't going to make it after the last book :tears: . I think Harry will sacrifice himself in order to invoke an ancient form of magic that keeps someone from returning after death.

And another thing, Dumbledore has said, several times, that no magic can bring someone back from the dead, but Voldemort came back, but then again was he ever really dead? i don't know I just ramble from time to time. :dunce:

[Senator Amory]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If you published it, I'd buy it.[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:darkblue">* * Awww, I'm touched. *:dunce:

* * Voldemort never really died. He was only depleted from his power and was placed kinda "lower-than-his-mortality". But not dead. And you can't kill that which was never truly alive. Which was why why Harry couldn't really kill him in any of the book until book four. Cause in book 4, Voldemort came back, and is a living person now. He's so stupid for doing that. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/joystick.gif</span>

[Rinc]

Originally posted by Mann@July 26 2002 - 10:28
Here's a question: Who thought the actors were good? I thought that Rupert Grint and Emma Watson were excellent but Radcliffe was okay. I never really liked Harry, he isn't very interesting. The acting is what makes the movie work.
I thought Rupert was brilliant, Emma overracted a bit but that should be sorted. I have to say i think Daniel Radcliffe is crap. Hopefully he'll have got better because he was wooden and there was no trace of any emotion in his voice. It was as if he was reading the lines for the first time.

[Mann]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif -this is the coolest Icon!

I wouldn't say Daniel Radcliffe was wooden, I would say that he didn't have alot of interesting character to work with. Harry's the lead character. He is not very exciting and he is just learning about the Wizarding world, so he's like "Whoa, ooo aww" all the time. Radcliffe was good in the TV movie David Copperfield, so he isn't like this in every movie.

[Senator Amory]

Yeah, that would probably be why he wasn't too inthusiastic in the first movie. Or "wooden" as Rince would say. :roll:

[Mann]

The difference between writing an original screenplay and a Screenplay on a story milions have read is that you can cut out more from the original screenplay, because that will be the audiences idea of what the sotry is. An Adapted movie is something that everybody knows about, so you can't cut out very many parts.

This is to the quote about Titanic and Harry POtter. When the Producers made Titanic, did they really know it would be three hours? They just edited it to be three hours. So the prodeucers know that Harry Potter 4 will be longer than the others, and they are almost three hours anyway. The kids have had doubts about doing even a third Harry Potter movie anyway. Only the director has been signed. My guess, they will make the fourth harry Potter into two films. :pacattack:

[Rinc]

Originally posted by Senator Amory@July 29 2002 - 18:02
Or "wooden" as Rince would say. :roll:
I still think hes about as wooden as his broomstick. Theres no conviction in his voice when he's asking Hagrid about his past and although the actual character is quite boring, there is still scope to actually put a trace of emotion into the character.

And if i was being picky i'd remind you my name is Rinc. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkblue">I did put "Rinc" in the post. And that is what it said even after I added my reply. I have no idea where the "e" came in at. :eh:

Well, they will probably make number four into 2 seperate videos, but two seperate films would just be stupid. If the actors never planned on finishing the complete series, then they had no buisness even starting in the first place. That's how I see it. And the thing about Titanic, I meant that since they could make a movie so long, and even longer before editing, then they can no doubtly makle book four into a movie. Anyways, Ms. Rowling had said that that is more than likely going to be the longest out of the whole series. And Warner Bros. more than likely put all this in prospective before they bought the film rights to the books. If they bought the rights to all seven books, then they will more than likely do book four. Plus, the screenwriter works with Rowling to see what should go in, and what should saty out to better fit the screen. So, they will most possibly have an idea of how long the movies will be. And then, after the filming, they go through and edit it. So that will also cut time from the original screen time. So, it's not that comlicated to fit a book to screen. As long as they work with the author. I like it when they stay true to the book because when you don't, it just ruins the whole lot. And I don't think anyone has the right to screw up an authors work like that by messing up the whole story when bringing it from paper to film. It's just not right. And that is why I like the HP movie. It stayed very well to the book.</span>

[Rinc]

Originally posted by Senator Amory@July 30 2002 - 19:46
<span style="color:darkblue">I did put "Rinc" in the post. And that is what it said even after I added my reply. I have no idea where the "e" came in at. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif</span>
Stranger and stranger. Do you not find it weird we are talking about wizards and witches and then that happens. Maybe i'm being punished for calling Radcliffe wooden.

I agree that all the films have to be done, especially the fourth one in one part. Millions of kids seemed to be able to sit through a 3 hour Harry Potter film and i'm sure one a bit longer would still make a massive profit such is the popularity of HP. Somebody told me before i read Goblet of Fire that it was very long and they didn't see how it could be made into a film. But when i read it i was going through it thinking certain parts could be cut out because they weren't important enough. Can't think of them now but there were a few.

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkblue">* * I have a question for all of you who have read the fourth HP book, "Goblet of Fire".

* * Did any of you realize the "look of triumph" on Dumbledore's face when Harry told him what Vollll...He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named did? What is that about?
* * And then there is, on page 672, when it says, and I quote;</span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Dumbledore bent down, and with extraordinary strength for a man so old and thin, raised Harry from the ground and set him on his feet.[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:darkblue">* * What is this about, too? Is Dumbledore really the one behind it all? Is that the reason why Voldemort has always feared one wizard, and one wizard only. And that being Dumbledore himself. And is that why Voldemort has never tried to do anything to Hogwarts after he rose to power? Or is the Dumbledore that we know, not the real Dumbledore? As you know, the Mad-Eyed Moody that we thought we knew, wasn't him at all. And also, the Dumbledore we say in the Pensieve was stern and strong looking, who had the capabilities do destroy the DarkWizard Grindelwald. While the Dumbledore we know is seemingly kind-hearted and a father figure who would much rather have a thick pair of woolen socks for Christmas. While others prefer to give him books instead.(Doesn't that remind you of Palpatine in Ep. I?) And last but not least, why did Dumbledore stammer when Harry asked him that question about the Mirror of Erised? It couldn't have been that personal. Or was the "woolen socks" deal just to be the wool over our eyes pulled by none other than Ms. J.K. Rowling herself?

* * Just some thoughts.</span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Rinc]

I think i'll have to look back on GOF because i've heard quite a bit about Dumbledore maybe being the one behind it all. He doesn't seem to be evil and IMO there haven't been any obvious clues that hes not the lovable old goat hes portrayed to be (or maybe i'm just not reading carefully enough). There has to be a few twists in the last three books but the two sides of Dumbledore we seem to have seen (the kind-hearted teacher and the stern serious and very powerful wizard) are believable. Just look at Yoda. He was having a laugh with the kids in AOTC but was serious beyond belief in the council and when fighting Dooku.

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:orange">* * Hey guys,

* * I just found this today. And I think you should check it out. Lucas' Idustrial Light & Magic bought out Sony Pictures' Imagineworks for the sf/x of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. More than likely, they saw how cheap the f/x for the first movie were, so they felt sorry enough to help us fans out. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif *Anyways, here is the link for more information.

ILM Doing 'The Hulk' & 'Harry Potter 2' F/X (http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/archive/fullnews.cgi?newsid1002715692,78445),

It is very interesting.</span>

[Rogue_0009]

Yeah, finally the best sf/x in the biz to do what could one of the best movies of the year.

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:orange">I just hope that Industrial Light & Magic do the special effects for the other Harry Potter movies as well. Because If they do the QuidditchWorldCup effects in Goblet of Fire, that would be the best f/x so far. Accept for the CloneBattle in Episode II. That just rocked!

PS: I am going to start a "Zelda" thread for those of us Zelda fans. Be looking for it if you are a fan.</span>

[BlueSaber]

I would like point some stuff out. The remarks made by O-B-Gates at the start of this thread have really hurt me. I am a witch, and I would really appreciate it if people would get their facts straight before saying we are evil. Christians think we are devil worshipers. We are not. We believe the devil does not exist. In fact, we do not have an entirely evil deity. Wicca is older than Christianity and even Judeasim (sp?) and since "Satan" is antirely a Christain/Jewish thing, we do not believe in him. I would also like to point out that in the Burning Times (What we call the period between the 1300's and thw 1800's) an estimated 9 000 000 men, women and children (even babies) were murdered in cold blood by Christains who just couldn't accept a religeon that they didn't understand.

We do not try to convert people to Wicca, and we do not want to be converted. Please just let us get on with our lives, and learn about who we are before passing judgement.

Merry Part

-Blue

[Meche]

Originally posted by BlueSaber@Aug. 16 2002 - 03:53
Christians think we are devil worshipers.
No, not all Christians.

[BlueSaber]

Yeah, that's the threefold law. Basically whatever you send out into the world comes back to you times 3. That's why we try and only do good things so only good will happen to us. Did that make sense?

In the Burning Times, anyone caught practising witchcraft, and even if they were only suspected of doing it, were thought to be devil worshipers and were given an unfair trial and then drowned or burned.

-Blue

[Senator Amory]

In the book of Exodus, it clearly explains that witchcraft, Wicca, is practiced outside of the laws of God.

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
(Exodus 22: 18)

But please realize that that was said in the Old Testamemt. And that was done away with once Christ was crucified and his new covenant, The New Testament, was placed into effect. But, all throughout the Bible, witchcraft is spoken against. It might be a religion in some sorts, but it is not in accordance with the Law of God. Anyother religion for that mater is. And no, wicca was not around longer than the Christian based religions were. The Bible is split into three dispensations, Patriarchal, Jewish, and Christian.

Patriarchal: From the time of creation, to the time of the establishment of the Jewish laws by Moses. This was a time where the head male of the family, patriarch, was spoken directly to by God. Each house ruled itself in accordance with God's command. What might have been commanded to one family, might not have been commanded to another. For instance, Noah building the Ark. Abraham being commanded to make preperations to slay his own son to prove devotion to God.(The slaying was stopped of course before it happened.)

Jewish: Dispensation in which the Jewish Law was in motion. Began with Moses and continued till the death of Christ.

Christian: Dispensation in which was activated on the death of Christ and is still in effect to this day, and will continue to exist till his coming again to take us all to judgment.

In each dispensation, even the Christian, it has been stated that witchcraft is not in a ccordance with the will of God, and therefore is against it. So, it must be "evil", in some sorts. Wicca is condemend in the Bible, but our laws have changed since Exodus, and we are not commanded to kill anyone who is outside our religion, but mearly speak against it and preach truth. And since these "christian-based-religions" have been in effect since the beginning of time, it is impossible for the Wicca religion to be much older that it. That was a lie.

[Senator Amory]

And the witchhunts that were carried out, were in motion under the Catholic Church, Anglican Church, and the Puritans.
The were heritics themselves and should have also been burned at the stake. many of those who were killed were not even proven to practice witchcraft, but they were all only suspected of such treachery. I personaly do not care for witchcraft, and do not believe in it, but I do not want to go around and kill people for practicing it. If you want to do it, it is your thing and I can't stop you. All I can do it tell you the truth and hope you take my words with an open heart.

I even have a wiccan friend as well. And from talking with him, I have come to know much about the Wiccan religion. And I also know that you do worship God. It's just you do not believe that the devil exist, and that there is no evil. And that God has a wife, the Goddess, mother of all. But, if you believe in God, why do you not respect the Bible, and go by it? In the Bible, it is plain to see that God even recognizes the Devil's existance, and the existance of evil. And it states in the creation stories that everything was created by the Word. And without the Word, was not anything made that was made. And that "Word" is in referance to God the Son. Jesus Christ. He was the creater of all, and he created everything perfectly in their image, the Trinity(God the Fater, Son, & Holy Ghost.) So, if that be true, and you believe in the existance of God, why not believe that he created everything in his own image. There is no Goddess, there is no Mother of All.

I've just never understood, or believed, the Wiccan religion because it has so many contridictions in it, that there is nowhere to start naming them. So I will not. I have only named the few I can think of right now. Many religions today, other than that of Christianity, has contradictions. And then, you have the sects in Christianity, that also place contradictions on the Bible. So I can understand why people would be controversial into joining the religion. But all I can say to anyone who looks to join is to look at and study the different beliefs. And apply them to the Bible, completely. And even search on the things not mentioned by one, but metioned by the other. Then, after you have found the one the most true and faithfull to the teachings of the Bible, feel safe in joining them. because, without a doubt, they will more than likely be true to the Word of God.

But on a final note, I do not agree at all with the WitchHunts and WitchTrials. It was wrong, and untterly distastfull. There was no sense in them whatsoever. And God will surely punish those who went against his very words to fit them to fit their own beliefs. And he will get all of those who have gone against his supreme commands.

[GaViN28x]

Hmmmm....Ummmm.. did anyone else feel that some things were left unsaid in the first Hp movie. Like on the train to Hogwarts when Herminoi (sp) was asking if ron was doing magic, and ther were other times this happened, it was like another actor was suppoesed to say something but didn't.

[Meche]

Actually certain forms of Christianity are contradictory to me. It's not all da bomb.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>But, if you believe in God, why do you not respect the Bible, and go by it?[/b][/quote]

I guess because they don't have to. I don't know much about the Wiccan religion, but I gather that they worship a different God and have different views of him than you do?

This thread is hilarious. You're pretty damn set and arrogant in your views. Plus you make long, involved posts about Christianity and tell us that we cannot do that here. You're too sad.

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkgreen"> No, I don't believe Ron answered her question. She just kept rambling on. She said, "Oh, are you doing magic, let's see then." And Ron clears his throat...again, and continues with his fake spell to turn Scabbers yellow. hehe.

And from what I have gathered, they do, suppoesedly, worship the same God. And if they did want to respect him and his ways, they would worship him in spirit and in truth, and under the quidelines that his Son, Jesus Chrsit layed out for us in the New Testament. And if you believe in God, you just can't worship him very well anyway you felel like it. You've got to respect him and believe him at his word, or your worship to him will be in practiced in vain, and you would pay for it on that Day of Judgment. So yes, you do need to follow the Bible and believe it and study it, to show yourself approved unto God. "Rightly dividing the Word of God". Your worship should not be based on your own beliefs, or the beliefs of men, but only on those things metioned in the Bible. Because the men who wrote the Bible were men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Everything they wrote was not what they thought, but what the Holy Spirit was inspiring them to write. So, their own personal beliefs are not going to be found in there at all. Unless they actualy did say so, like Paul said, "Not of the Lord, but I say unto you." He stated his own belief, but again, he was still inspired by the Holy Ghost, so what he said did not go against the doctrine of the Bible.

Mere men did not write the Word of God. Only men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit wrote it.</span>

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:red"> All religious discussion on this thread needs to be diverted to the "In the Light" thread from here on out.
This needs to be done to keep any mod from coming in here and locking this thread for having religious topics in it, since the "in the Light" thread is supposed to be the one and only "religious thread".

I appreciate everyone's participation in this thread, and look forward to more discussion.

Thank you,
Senator Amory</span>

[Handothrawn]

Originally posted by BlueSaber@Aug. 16 2002 - 03:53
I would like point some stuff out. The remarks made by O-B-Gates at the start of this thread have really hurt me. I am a witch, and I would really appreciate it if people would get their facts straight before saying we are evil. Christians think we are devil worshipers. We are not. We believe the devil does not exist. In fact, we do not have an entirely evil deity. Wicca is older than Christianity and even Judeasim (sp?) and since "Satan" is antirely a Christain/Jewish thing, we do not believe in him. I would also like to point out that in the Burning Times (What we call the period between the 1300's and thw 1800's) an estimated 9 000 000 men, women and children (even babies) were murdered in cold blood by Christains who just couldn't accept a religeon that they didn't understand.

We do not try to convert people to Wicca, and we do not want to be converted. Please just let us get on with our lives, and learn about who we are before passing judgement.

Merry Part

-Blue
While I myself do not take part in Wicca, my aunt is in terms a witch, she changed to that about ten years before I was born. And I agree with everything you said, except the Christians statement. I think people of that era just used witchcraft as a way to explain away the bad things that happened or things that they didn't understand, and if you can pass judgement on people just because you don't understand them, is just as evil as anything Hitler ever did.

[Obidobi]

???
I thought this topic was about Harry Potter, but amazingly it is not. ???

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:darkred"> From this point forth, everyone has had their chance to state their vie-points of the Wicca religion"witchcraft", but now, let's get back to discussing Harry Potter again. No more posting on religion or "real-witches". If you feel that you have something more to contribute to that topic, please PM that person you are making the statement too. Otherwise, please, from no on, keep the certain points of view to yourself so we can get back on topic.

I do not wish to soun rude or arrogant. But those of you who have seen post that have been locked must see that they wound-up this way before getting locked. By verging into topics of other threads. And I would like to continue with our Harry Potter thread, so that it doesn't get locked. I hope you all understand this.

PS: Okay Obidobi, it's safe to talk about Harry Potter again. You can come on out. hehe style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif</span>

[Luvinna.]

One of my friends said she saw on the internet that the release date for HP5 is sometime in October. She couldn't remember the date, nor the site she found it on, and I can't find it myself.

Has anyone else heard a release date for the fifth book? ???

[Senator Amory]

<span style="color:blue"> Good-news,

Yesterday, I mailed a letter to Scholastic Press Inc., to find out some answers. The mailing address I got was refered to me by someone at Berryville Graphics, the company who printed and bound books I and III, so I know it was more than likely correct. And I also enterd my e-mail address in it. So, if they get it and deside to reply back with the answers, I should know pretty soon.(The earliest date being in about 3-4 days.)</span>

[Brian]

Some sad Harry Potter news.

Richard Harris, the actor that played Professor Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone, died on October 25.

Source: SciFi.com (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2002-10/28/11.00.film)

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Yea I saw that. Its really sad, Richard Harris was a fantastic actor and not to diss Harry Potter but this is what he'll be remembered for.

An English Newspaper had the headline DUMBLEDORE DEAD! It just seems wrong ya know</span></span>

[Jedi D'oh]

I agree. Just like Raul Julia. His last film was that dumb Addam's Family movie, and that's what he's remembered for.

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Oh Jedi D'oh poor Raul Julia was worse off his last film was that awful Streetfighter movie! The anime version was much better than that piece of trash. </span></span>

[Jedi D'oh]

That's right! I forgot about that movie, and now I remember why! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP!

[Brian]

I have recently seen Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone and I was mildly impressed. The movie had a good story and visual effects and as always, John Williams was simply masterful with the score.

As a former HP hater, I have jumped ship and now I am a fan. I will be at the theatre this Friday to see Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.

~OBG

[JediKeri.]

Richard Harris passed away?!?!?!?! When??? Why hadn't I heard this?!?!? :tears:

[Brian]

Originally posted by JediKeri@Nov 11 2002, 11:05 AM
Richard Harris passed away?!?!?!?! When??? Why hadn't I heard this?!?!? :tears:
See my post above...

[JediKeri.]

Oops, didn't see the link...

[Mann]

dude,
whose gonna replace him for film #3?

I wouldn't mind being remembered for Harry Potter as my last film. Raul Julia did better with movies like Kiss of the Spider Woman and his tv movie Th Burning Season.

[Martini]

i think their making way too many movies on this story. its gonna turn into crap. i guess its a good movie now, ive never seen it and dont care to. maybe i will someday. but i think it looks too childish and too british for my liking

[Jedi D'oh]

I thought the same thing, but when I saw the first one it was better than I thought. It wasn't played down. An adult could enjoy it as well as a child, but it had intellegence to it.

[Brian]

Originally posted by Martini@Nov 11 2002, 12:16 PM
i think their making way too many movies on this story. its gonna turn into crap. i guess its a good movie now, ive never seen it and dont care to. maybe i will someday. but i think it looks too childish and too british for my liking
Dude, why are you so cantankerous? You don't seem to like anything, except maybe Star Wars.

[Luvinna.]

For all you Harry Potter fans (myself included), I thought you might be interested in this announcement:
The fifth book is being released in June!! (http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20030115/D7OIS2S00.html)http://64.207.13.28/mysmilies/otn/blobs/boldyellow.gif

Yes, folks, that is a link. Click on it for the whole article. Here are some tidbits:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>- Much anticipated, and somewhat delayed, "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" is 768 pages long, and by word count one-third longer than its predecessor, "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire," published in 2000.

- The plot remains a mystery, but the publisher did reveal how the book begins: "The hottest day of the summer so far was drawing to a close and a drowsy silence lay over the large, square houses of Privet Drive. ...The only person left outside was a teenage boy who was lying flat on his back in a flowerbed outside number four."

- And youngsters will have a few months to ponder what Hogwarts headmaster Albus Dumbledore means when he tells Harry, some pages on, "It is time ... for me to tell you what I should have told you five years ago, Harry. Please sit down. I am going to tell you everything."[/b][/quote]

[kopernikuz]

They've also made an offer and are in negotiations to replace Harris as Dumbledore. From Entertainment Weekly this week:

"Gosford Park star Michael Gambon is negotiating to play Dumbledore in Warner Bros. Harry Potter franchise. "They've offered and he wants to do it," says his agent. Gambon would replace Richard Harris who died in October. The third film in the series, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, is due in theaters June 2004."

I saw some pics, and with the beard, he would have the look pretty well down. Not exactly the same, but good enough. And he's a very talented actor.

[Mann]

Gary Oldman is to place Sirius Black.

Oh and get this, Ewan McGregor is in consideration for The defense against the dark arts teacher Lupin.

[Tonin]

I'm so happy that the next book will be here soon!!!

As far as who is to replace Richard Harris in the role of Dumbldore, there was an article sometime during the holidays in the Atlanta paper saying that the Harry Potter folks were talking to Sir Ian McKellen about the part. But as I said that was a few weeks ago, so who knows whats going on. If anybody finds out for sure then let me know.

[kopernikuz]

Well according to EW they made an offer and he wants it... chances are it's a done deal unless for some reason the terms aren't to his liking... but that's not likely. I bet he does it.

[kopernikuz]

Well here you go from E! Online:


Meet Harry's New Dumbledore

by Anderson Jones and Marcus Errico
Dec 30, 2002, 1:45 PM PT
http://cache.eonline.com/News/Photos/g/gambon.123002.jpg
Harry Potter's getting a brand new headmaster--and his name isn't Ian McKellen.

Contrary to rampant tabloid reports over the past several days claiming the current Gandalf portrayer would pull double wizard duty as Hogwarts' Professor Albus Dumbledore, E! Online has learned that another acclaimed British thespian has in fact been tapped for the role vacated by the death of Richard Harris.

Michael Gambon, who picked up Emmy and Golden Globe nominations for his virtuoso performance as Lyndon Johnson in HBO's Path to War, will be donning the robes as Dumbledore for the upcoming Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, according to a source familiar with the production.

Following Harris' death from cancer in October, there had been much speculation over who would take over the role, with leading candidates supposedly including McKellen and even Harris' stand-in. But McKellen never seriously considered the role (he's already done the franchise thing with The Lord of the Rings and X-Men) and producers ultimately went with Gambon, a classically trained actor who studied with Laurence Olivier and whose credits include Gosford Park, The Insider and the lead in the British miniseries The Singing Detective.

Although the exact terms of Gambon's deal are not known, he'll presumably play Dumbledore in the remaining Potter films. Aside from Prisoner of Azkaban, Warner Bros. is committed to turning Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire into a film. J.K. Rowling's still-in-the-works Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and the two planned but untitled final installments are also likely destined for celluloid, but no timetable is in place.

With Warners closed for the holidays, no one was immediately available to comment on the casting.

Considering the millions of dollars at stake (the first Potter, Sorcerer's Stone, made more than $1 billion worldwide, and the current release, Chamber of Secrets, has made more than $240 million in North America alone), filmmakers had to act quickly on the casting choice.

Shooting is slated to begin on Prisoner of Azkaban in early 2003 for a proposed summer 2004 release. Alfonso Cuaron (Y Tu Mama Tambien) will direct, with Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint set to reprise their roles as Harry, Hermione and Ron.

Meanwhile, in related news, Potter mastermind Rowling ranked as the wealthiest woman in England, according a survey released by Britain's Mail on Sunday newspaper. With more than $77 million in income in 2002, Rowling out-earned the transplanted Madonna ($43 million) for the title.

[Darth Insightful]

Am I the only person who thinks that the Harry Potter series is a rip-off of Star Wars? Granted, I've never read the books and I've only seen the first movie once, but I think there were too many similarities in the story to be just coincidence. I may be a little off on some of the finer points, but here goes:

1. There's the whole "Chosen One" theme going. Granted, that appears in other films, but it's just the first in a line of "coincidences."

2. Harry (Luke) is an orphan who is taken to live with his closest relatives (Owen and Beru).

3. Harry has two mentors that help guide him along the way in Dumbledore and whatever Maggie Smith's character's name is (Obi-Wan and Yoda).

4. The three main characters are two guys and a girl (Han, Luke and Leia), and from what I understand from hearing about the other books, the two of them like each other, but neither one wants to admit it (again, Han and Leia).

5. The bad guy practices "black magic" (dark side of the force) and has operatives who carry out his bidding (a very Emporer and his multiple apprentices sort of relationship).

6. After being identified as having magical powers (the force), the children are sent away to be trained at Hogwarts (Jedi Temple).

Now, these next few may be somewhat of a reach, but bear with me.

7. Haggred (sp?) is sort of a comic relief/helper type who always seems to be around somewhere (combination of C-3PO, R2, and Chewie).

8. The first time I saw the Quidditch match all I could think is that this was podracing with some sort of flying ball.

9. The blonde kid (can't remember his name) that is Harry's foil has some Landoish quailities. He's not a bad guy, but he's sneaky, and you get the sense that he'd betray his friends if he could profit from it.

10. Gringotts remind me of ugnaughts.

[Darth Whaler]

Well, I'm excited about the 5th book. I love the series so far but was a little disappointed with the Goblet of Fire.

This 5th book is supposed to be 1/3 longer than the last book! Wow! It's release date is coincidentally the first official day of summer. It'll give students and us teachers something good to read this summer!

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Am I the only person who thinks that the Harry Potter series is a rip-off of Star Wars? Granted, I've never read the books and I've only seen the first movie once, but I think there were too many similarities in the story to be just coincidence. I may be a little off on some of the finer points, but here goes:

1. There's the whole "Chosen One" theme going. Granted, that appears in other films, but it's just the first in a line of "coincidences."[/b][/quote]

Harry Potter came out in 1996, three years before TPM, so no, that is bullox. And the Chosen one theme was ripped off by Star Wars anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>2. Harry (Luke) is an orphan who is taken to live with his closest relatives (Owen and Beru).[/b][/quote]
The difference is that they don't like him. They also are major characters unlike Owen and Beru.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>3. Harry has two mentors that help guide him along the way in Dumbledore and whatever Maggie Smith's character's name is (Obi-Wan and Yoda).[/b][/quote]
Maggie Smith's character is little help along the way. Harry is learning at a school and has many people help him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>4. The three main characters are two guys and a girl (Han, Luke and Leia), and from what I understand from hearing about the other books, there's some sexual tension between Ron and Herimone (again, Han and Leia). [/b][/quote]
That's disgusting. Sexual tension? They are kids, they aren't thinking about that yet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>5. The bad guy practices "black magic" (dark side of the force) and has operatives who carry out his bidding (a very Emporer and his multiple apprentices sort of relationship). [/b][/quote]
Every bad guy in any fantasy uses magic of a bad kind.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>6. After being identified as having magical powers (the force), the children are sent away to be trained at Hogwarts (Jedi Temple).[/b][/quote]
Once again, before Episode 1.

Now, these next few may be somewhat of a reach, but bear with me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>7. Haggred (sp?) is sort of a comic relief/helper type who always seems to be around somewhere (combination of C-3PO, R2, and Chewie). [/b][/quote]
only difference- Hagrid is GOOD comic relief and doesn;t complain. Ron actually provides the whining.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>8. The first time I saw the Quidditch match all I could think is that this was podracing with some sort of flying ball. [/b][/quote]
Podracing? Give me a break. Once again before Episode 1.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>9. The blonde kid (can't remember his name) that is Harry's foil has some Landoish quailities. He's not a bad guy, but he's sneaky, and you get the sense that he'd betray his friends if he could profit from it.
Malfoy IS a bad guy. He is evil, and he is there to show what Harry could one day become.[/b][/quote]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>10. Gringotts remind me of ugnaughts. [/b][/quote]
Gringotts is a place.

all these show is that Star Wars could have ripped off Harry Potter's Ideas.

[kopernikuz]

Yeah, I think "sexual" tension is a bit much to apply to a kids movie, but they do have romantic tension... like a crush... but like young kids they pick at each other when deep down they like each other.

[Darth Insightful]

First off, yeah, the podrace one is out there, more of a joke than anything. As is the ugnaught comparison. I thought Gringotts refered to the actual species and not the place. My mistake.

The rest of the points, except for the Jedi Temple-Hogwarts one, all come from the Original Trilogy, which was well before Harry Potter.

As for the sexual tension comparison, I didn't mean it in an adult sort of fashion, but in the way kids act when they like each other in an innocent way, but neither of them wants to admit it because they still think of the opposite sex as "weird." I only used sexual tension becasue I lacked a better term. I'll fix it.

[Mann]

cough:chosenone:cough

um, alot of them are out there anyway. Besides, two gusy and a girl has been in films since the beginning.

[kopernikuz]

Yeah, to be honest... you can compare most stories in similar ways... all you have really proven is that J.K. Rowling and George Lucas have both tapped into the classic mythical storytelling that has been done since ancient times.

[Mann]

all of these things come form the Bible. All good literature and films somehow tap into the bible as a source.

[Luvinna.]

Not to beat a dead hippogriff into the ground, but I'm going to pick on something that Mann didn't:
Originally posted by Darth Insightful@Jan 15 2003, 06:07 PM
9. The blonde kid (can't remember his name) that is Harry's foil has some Landoish quailities. He's not a bad guy, but he's sneaky, and you get the sense that he'd betray his friends if he could profit from it.
Draco isn't exactly Harry's friend, and I would probably say he is a bad guy, just in the fledgling stages. His father used to be one of Voldemort's minions, and in fact, in Goblet of Fire -- Oh, wait. I don't want to give anything away to people who haven't read the books.

If you want to read a SW take-off, try the Exiles books by Melanie Rawn. Yeah, it even has the whole "father of the main character turns over to the 'dark side' and then is redeemed by one of his kids (the Luke character) after he kills the emperor character to keep the emperor character from killing the Luke character" thing going. Oh, and then there's the "Vader character captures the Han character and that's when the Leia character realizes she loves the Han character" thing, too. That series has got it all, including a rebellion. I've been waiting for the third book for about 6 years now, and I keep telling my friends the author is waiting to find out what happens in SW so she can use it.

I really hope they do make the last three HP movies. After rereading the fourth book recently, I can't imagine they'd leave the movie-going public hanging like that. And it'd ruin the movie to change it enough to put closure to the series in that one.

[Javen]

Don't know if anyone has heard this, but they just said on CNN that the 5th book of Harry Potter has been written.

[Mann]

saw it today Javen, It said the book has been ready for awhile, but wont be out til June. This has taken the longest to write, since the others were published once a year.

The movie is set for June 2004 (yep it's a summer movie)

[Mann]

I did know that about Malfoy, I just didn't elaborate on that.

Interesting fact about Harry Potter- Voldemort is baed on hilter and the nazis. All his loyal minions are blonde and "pure blood", while Voldemort himself is non pure blood and has brown hair.

[Luvinna.]

I hadn't thought about it like that, Mann, but you're right. Though I do remember thinking it was interesting that the heir of Slytherin had a muggle father when Salazar Slytherin was the one wanting to limit the school to pure-bloods.

[JediKeri.]

I already ordered the next book style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I hadn't thought about it like that, Mann, but you're right. Though I do remember thinking it was interesting that the heir of Slytherin had a muggle father when Salazar Slytherin was the one wanting to limit the school to pure-bloods. [/b][/quote]

It's JK Rowling screaming Hilter. And basically he was. Harry Potter is what would happen if Hitler(Voldemort) met Jesus(Harry).

[James]

You porbably know this already.

HP #5 will be released on 21 June. Are you gonna get it???

I definitely will!! It's supposed to be 700-something pages long! And there was me thinking #4 would be the biggest!! :0

~James style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

[Mann]

The final book is the longest supposedly. Something like twice as long as the fourth. Which means a long long book.

[James]

Originally posted by Mann@May 10 2003, 03:14 PM
The final book is the longest supposedly. Something like twice as long as the fourth. Which means a long long book.
YAY! I want to read as much HP as possible

[Mann]

But what about the movies? Now that they want to make all 7 into films, how do you make 700 pages into a kids movie of 2 1/2 hours?

[bodegage]

Split it up.

There is already talk about having to do that for the 4th book so no doubt it will go the same way for #5.

On the matter of buying the book. Maybe. I heard it was like $45. A tad expensive?

[Mann]

Not really. Hardcover books usually are.

and splitting up movies based on books is crazy.

[bodegage]

The idea is crazy but that's what I heard. Go HERE (http://movies.go.com/movies/H/harrypotterandthegobletoffire_2004/index.html) to find out my source. Look to the right in "We Heard...The pre-release buzz".

And $40, although not that expensive for most hardcover books, is more than the others in the series. Libraries are having to order less copies because of the price. This could hurt sales.

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:red">I'm gonna get as soon as I can. Then I'll read it all in one sitting cuz I'm a freak, yes I'm well aware that it's 700 pages but it can be done!</span>

[JediKeri.]

You bet I am! Amazon is saying I'll get it the day it comes out. They're rushing me the book with no extra charge... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Luvinna.]

Originally posted by Mann@May 9 2003, 09:47 PM
and splitting up movies based on books is crazy.
Not really. It's been done before. Okay, granted the movies weren't blockbusters (I'm refering to The Neverending Story 1 & 2 (not 3), and neither was the book (which is good - I recommend it), but that's essentially what they did. The first half of the book is the first movie, and the second half is the second movie. No idea what they used for the third, cuz I've not seen it and I really have no desire to since they hashed the book for the second movie. I'm sure JK Rowling won't let that happen to her books.

Of course I'm going to be getting the book! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif I'm waiting to see if my book club offers it before I order it elsewhere though. They'd be stupid not to, but they had already offered pre-ordering by this time for the fourth book... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif

[JediKeri.]

I ordered back in January!

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Not really. It's been done before. Okay, granted the movies weren't blockbusters (I'm refering to The Neverending Story 1 & 2 (not 3), and neither was the book (which is good - I recommend it), but that's essentially what they did. [/b][/quote]

Well, I know they;ve done it before, though the Neverending Story has different actors portraying the parts. However, if they do this movie, Then they will film it all the way through, and then split it up. Sort of like the Matrix Films.

[mtilden]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The final book is the longest supposedly. Something like twice as long as the fourth. Which means a long long book. [/b][/quote]

That is exaggerated, it is only about 1/3 longer than book 4, which is still pretty darn long for a children's book, but not nearly as long as you have been led to believe. I am not a huge Harry Potter fan, but I am extremely happy that these books have made reading 'hip' for youngsters again. Any kid who has read the first 4 HP books, will have no difficulty finishing this one, even as long as it is. And, as soon as they are done, they will (hopefully) move on from there to read Lloyd Alexander's "Chronicles of Pyrdain', JRR Tolkein, CS Lewis "Chronicles of Narnia" and so on and so forth, and be reading Shakespeare, Dickens and Dostoyevsky in high school and college. Setting themselves up to develop a lifetime habit of reading and learning.

[Mann]

Originally posted by mtilden@May 10 2003, 04:38 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The final book is the longest supposedly. Something like twice as long as the fourth. Which means a long long book.

That is exaggerated, it is only about 1/3 longer than book 4, which is still pretty darn long for a children's book, but not nearly as long as you have been led to believe. I am not a huge Harry Potter fan, but I am extremely happy that these books have made reading 'hip' for youngsters again. Any kid who has read the first 4 HP books, will have no difficulty finishing this one, even as long as it is. And, as soon as they are done, they will (hopefully) move on from there to read Lloyd Alexander's "Chronicles of Pyrdain', JRR Tolkein, CS Lewis "Chronicles of Narnia" and so on and so forth, and be reading Shakespeare, Dickens and Dostoyevsky in high school and college. Setting themselves up to develop a lifetime habit of reading and learning. [/b][/quote]
where did you hear that it was only 1/3 longer? That's the 5th book my friend, I'm talking about the FINAL one.

[mtilden]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>where did you hear that it was only 1/3 longer? That's the 5th book my friend, I'm talking about the FINAL one.[/b][/quote]

Sorry, I guess that I didn't notice that part.... or I just figured that since we were all discussing book 5 that you were too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

Anyway, whatever you may have heard about book 7, ignore. No one knows how long that book will be, since it ain't been written yet, except, supposedly, for the ending paragraph. I think that books 6 and 7 will probably be pretty long though.

[Lord Rocha]

I will get it, but its going to be kind of long for a book made for children.

[Saeth]

OF COURSE I"M GETTING IT!

I've been looking forward to the damn thing since I was fourteen!

*Works out in head* OK, $40 at about 7 Rand to the dollar...that makes...about R280...Ooookaaaay...maybe I can get my dad to swindel it out of Exclusive Books on the pretence of reviewing it...

But ja. I'm definitely getting it. You can only read so much fanfiction.

[bodegage]

Ok, as crazy as it sounds it's what I heard. Rowan Atkinson (YES, Mr. Bean) may play Voldemort in the HP & Goblet of Fire adaptation. I know this thread is about HP 5 but I figured might as well post this info here as well!

[Mann]

the best actor to play Voldemort, with aged make up and such:

Jude Law.

Ewan needs to be in the movies too!

[James]

I think it's cool that HP5 will be really long.

There's more HP to read then, that's cool!!

[Lord Rocha]

Originally posted by bodegage@May 16 2003, 05:26 PM
Ok, as crazy as it sounds it's what I heard. Rowan Atkinson (YES, Mr. Bean) may play Voldemort in the HP & Goblet of Fire adaptation. I know this thread is about HP 5 but I figured might as well post this info here as well!
That would be very funny. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[James]

Originally posted by Saeth@May 11 2003, 04:02 PM
You can only read so much fanfiction.
I know how you feel, saeth.

I hate all the speculation for HP. It's all based on tiny little glitches in the book, so that anyone who drools over HP will think "Ok that's gonna happen" adn then they get disappointed when it doesn't.

[bodegage]

Originally posted by Lord Rocha+May 16 2003, 10:29 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lord Rocha @ May 16 2003, 10:29 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-bodegage@May 16 2003, 05:26 PM
Ok, as crazy as it sounds it's what I heard. Rowan Atkinson (YES, Mr. Bean) may play Voldemort in the HP & Goblet of Fire adaptation. I know this thread is about HP 5 but I figured might as well post this info here as well!
That would be very funny. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif [/b][/quote]
Yes! And just a little gay.

[bodegage]

Originally posted by Mann@May 16 2003, 10:22 PM
the best actor to play Voldemort, with aged make up and such:

Jude Law.

Ewan needs to be in the movies too!
Jude Law is creepy so he might be cool. Ewan may be abled to get a part in the adaptations of the upcoming books. But I don't think he NEEDS to be in the movies.

[Mann]

Ewan was one of the three choices for being Lupin in the upcoming film. However they gave that role to david Thewlis (a very good actor).

Law looks alot like how Voldemort would be described in the book. And he has to bear a little resemblence to the actor in the 2nd film who played his younger self.

[James]

Rowling says;

"I had rewritten the death, rewritten it and rewritten it and that was it - it was definitve. I walked into the kitchen crying and Neil said to me 'What on earth is wrong?' and I said 'Well, I have just killed the person".

[Handothrawn]

Its Hagrid.

[James]

It wont be either Ron, Hermione or Hagrid I think

I think its Neville.

[Marbleman]

james you should make a poll on this. my money is on dumbledore. . . style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/butbut.gif

[James]

I found out who it is, I've bought the book style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I won't spoil it for everyone, unless you PM me

[DarthFlip]

It's the really big dude with the beard...the character played by robbie coltrane in the movies!

[Handothrawn]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif Man, that part was truly sad. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif

[Jango]

yep