CLONE WARS - CHAPTER 1 [Archive] - The Galactic Senate

goodwije

11-07-2003, 09:58 PM

I quite enjoyed this first chapter by way of introduction, i am looking forward to the others now, when we get more into the story line.

I do find it a little hard to have that feeling of awe when it is attached to cartoons. But i did have the right sound effects, the classic SW swipe, and some cool visuals.

I noticed all the Jedi Fighters had different color patterns, seems each pilot gets to decorate their own craft.. ok how fanboy was that? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

Gazelle

11-07-2003, 09:58 PM

Is it supposed to be streaming or downloading?

Either way, it ain't do nothing! Shame I've waited up 'til 2am for this.

Darth Darthy

11-07-2003, 10:02 PM

I feel your pain Gazelle. Mines not getting past the bit where Yoda whips out his saber. Stoopid 'puters.

T-bone

11-07-2003, 10:04 PM

Weird! Mine was slow loading up at first but then played right through and i also played the commentary version right after it with no trouble.

Darth Darthy

11-07-2003, 10:06 PM

Yeah, I guess every Tom, Dick and Bob is trying to download it right now and the servers are having heart attacks.

Gazelle

11-07-2003, 10:06 PM

Thats not much comfort T ole boy! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Perhaps you could play it for me and I'll watch it on T'Cam?

Gazelle

11-07-2003, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@Nov 8 2003, 02:06 AM
Yeah, I guess every Tom, Dick and Bob is trying to download it right now and the servers are having heart attacks.
Couldn't American fans just put it on VHS?

goodwije

11-07-2003, 10:10 PM

patience.. you must learn patience!!!

Gazelle

11-07-2003, 10:12 PM

Yeah that's true. And I must learn to get fed up and go to bed. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Javen

11-07-2003, 10:13 PM

I liked the part where Obi Wan, Yoda, Anakin and Palpitine are in his office. I like the way Yoda gets this nasty mad look on his face when Palpitine suuggest and overrides somethings about Anakin.

bluemilk

11-07-2003, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@Nov 7 2003, 07:02 PM
I feel your pain Gazelle. Mines not getting past the bit where Yoda whips out his saber. Stoopid 'puters.
ha! same here. I can't get any further than that scene either damnit style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

Gazelle

11-07-2003, 10:21 PM

The messageboards over at the OS are filling up with complaints style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Ali Arikan

11-07-2003, 10:25 PM

I can't get the commentary to play; and the normal version was also hell to play all the way through.

But DAMN! That was awesome! It seriously kicked ass! I don't know why; I just really dug it.

Darth Darthy

11-07-2003, 10:25 PM

Ha! Guess we'll have to wait tilll tomorrow.

Gazelle

11-07-2003, 10:26 PM

Goodnight Darthy. Its 2.26 am and Gaz is off to bed. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

Frendon

11-07-2003, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Gazelle@Nov 7 2003, 09:21 PM
The messageboards over at the OS are filling up with complaints style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
And I'm the one filling them!! lol style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

du365

11-07-2003, 10:58 PM

I saw Episode 1 of the cartoon and it reeked badly!

Darth Darthy

11-07-2003, 11:03 PM

So you keep pointing out. So far all you've said is that the style ain't to your taste. Doesn't mean it's crap. The first 10 seconds (which is all I can see at the moment) looked good...

bluemilk

11-07-2003, 11:12 PM

okay I saw it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif it was really cool!! except it had no sound which is like getting the mac'n'cheese version. bah!

oh well it was still cool style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

Darth Vegas

11-08-2003, 12:06 AM

That was COOOOOL!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

Darth Darthy

11-08-2003, 12:09 AM

Dang. I tried being naughty and connecting Getright to aol ftp. The file is there but the servers to busy to let me download it. Ahhh, I quit. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

Lost-Jedi-Of-The-Republic

11-08-2003, 01:07 AM

it was cool, but Palapatine looked like Mr. Burns on The Simpsons..... and it was still cool, can't wait til Monday for the next style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

Frendon

11-08-2003, 12:07 PM

It's working fine now on Hyperspace, finnally after all the complaints, the made it non-streaming, now my only complain is, there is nooo way, 480x320 it's "Super SIZE" "High QUALITY", I thought we were going to get a lot more than that crappy resolution.

Well now concerning the episode, I liked it but damn it's short, you just start getting on it and then bam it's over, I guess since this one is the intro that's why we didn't get that much dialogue, one thing I didn't like was Obi-Wan and Yoda just stay there with a mad face and have to accept what palpatine says?? c'mon I'm sure Yoda would try to get his point across. Well overall it's looking good, i'm looking forward to the others.

T-bone

11-08-2003, 12:20 PM

Well I'm not sure why everyone expected them to be longer - they've never said anything about them NOT being a "micro" series and only a few minutes each.

However - starting it on a Friday was a bad idea. I mean, come on...

Frendon

11-08-2003, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@Nov 8 2003, 11:20 AM
Well I'm not sure why everyone expected them to be longer - they've never said anything about them NOT being a "micro" series and only a few minutes each.

However - starting it on a Friday was a bad idea. I mean, come on...
Yes I knew they were around 3 minutes each, but somehow in my mind I thought there could be more in 3 minutes lol, i don't know how to explain it, I guess i didn't realize how short 3 minutes are.

Darth Drew

11-08-2003, 02:06 PM

I didn't think it was all that bad, but it wasn't not too good either. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Darth Darthy

11-08-2003, 02:36 PM

Yay! They fixed it! And it's downloadable too. Ooooohh. The start appears to be a sneak preview from each of the characters different episodes which looked nice.
I think this'll turn out to be a rather good mini saga in it's own right.
Did ya notice the CG?!? Hmm? Didja?

Darth Vegas

11-08-2003, 02:43 PM

I wouldn't have had Genndy and Paul not told us where to look. The ships are all cg.

bluemilk

11-08-2003, 03:01 PM

It's interesting how strong fighting the clone wars is making Anakin. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

Javen

11-08-2003, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by du365@Nov 7 2003, 09:58 PM
I saw Episode 1 of the cartoon and it reeked badly!
It looked just fine.

Gazelle

11-08-2003, 04:30 PM

Not bad - quite creative "camera work" and Obi Wan's voice is excellent.

Mr "Palpatine" Burns twiddling his skeletal hands like he was a witch from the Wizard of Oz may not have been my first choice.

But I can't complain! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

EDIT: Oh yes, and I like the "Darth Vader" silhouette they gave Anakin just before he got into his ship. Clever, clever.

brookie

11-09-2003, 02:42 AM

i still havent seen them.. i had to work but where can i download them? i went to the site but when i click on the episode it doesnt do anything. can someone pwease help me out? thanks!

PadmeQte

11-09-2003, 09:38 AM

I just watched it, and I liked it very much.

I don't see how it was so bad, I mean it is a cartoon, so of course it looked like....a cartoon. I think some of us are too used to computer animation.

I really hope that they dig deeper into the Obi-Wan/Anakin relationship.

Padme did look a bit....wierd. Like a little girl perhaps, but Anakin seemed pained to leave her. I thought his face showed a lot.

I'll watch part 2 and give more input. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

Darth Badly

11-09-2003, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by du365@Nov 8 2003, 03:58 AM
I saw Episode 1 of the cartoon and it reeked badly!

I haven't seen it yet but I hope to soon.

Frendon

11-09-2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 7 2003, 08:54 PM
So who saw it then?

And what was it like?
Does it really matter? Just tell yourself it was a 3 minute toy commercial and you'll feel good. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Justin

11-09-2003, 04:53 PM

I just watched it. There were a couple cool moments, but on the whole I thought it was pretty cheesy. Especially the way Anakin threw his cloak off before he got in his fighter, and the whole deal with Anakin putting his hand on the canopy and Padme putting hers on her window. How trite can you get.

Who did the voices? They sound pretty close to the original actors, even though the sound quality was pretty bad.

Does anyone know why the picture quality is so poor? You'd think that it would be better on the official site.

Nathan Butler

11-09-2003, 05:11 PM

Y'know, I must be one of the only people on the bloody planet that enjoyed Clone Wars #1 without any major complaints.

That's it. Time to write a "Fair and Balanced" Fox News-style review for T'Bone.

T-bone

11-09-2003, 05:26 PM

Cool.

For the record, I did enjoy it. It was "neat."

I mean, not much to it yet but it was better than I thought it would be.

Nathan Butler

11-09-2003, 06:42 PM

T, the first installment of the review micro-series (ba dum bum) has been sent.

bluemilk

11-09-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by NathanButlerSWT@Nov 9 2003, 02:11 PM
Y'know, I must be one of the only people on the bloody planet that enjoyed Clone Wars #1 without any major complaints.

nope *raises hand* I thought it was fricken fantasic style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Darth Palpy

11-09-2003, 07:40 PM

I enjoyed it...liked the Vader-esque silhouette (sp?) as Anakin walked towards his starfighter and actually laughed as he removed his cloak and it smothered Threepio (very funny).

A nice introduction to the series.

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P-Ray

11-09-2003, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by NathanButlerSWT@Nov 9 2003, 04:11 PM
Y'know, I must be one of the only people on the bloody planet that enjoyed Clone Wars #1 without any major complaints.

That's it. Time to write a "Fair and Balanced" Fox News-style review for T'Bone.
Nope, I loved it too. Maybe it's just the 2 of us. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Phil Tinajero

11-09-2003, 07:54 PM

I thought it should have been 30 minutes long, that's my main gripe. I was never fond of the idea of making it 5 minutes. There's no point to it.

Overall, it was good and the action was really fun to behold. The animation looks grand and whimsical in a way. The moment between Obi-Wan, Yoda and Palpatine sets up the personal conflicts of EP3 flawlessly.

The Anakin and Padme scene was a little cheesy and childish for my tastes. But I still can't wait for Chapter 2.

Nathan Butler

11-09-2003, 08:09 PM

Personally, I don't think it would have the same appeal if it were 30 minutes. Most cartoons these days, particularly those on CN, have a tendency to be, well, crappy. They drag on and seem to be aimed at an even younger age group than the old Transformers and G.I.Joe toons were. I mean, just look at Transformers from the 1980s compared to Transformers Armada.

At 3 minutes (no, not 5), or 3:44 in this episode's case, you get a nice thump forward each time, storytelling without a lot of excess, and the sort of "serialized" feel of the programs that Lucas originally said he based SW on in the first place.

As for the Anakin / Padme bit, for me, that was the best moment. The build-up was well done, with Anakin's ship lifting off alongside the tower, and the resigned looks on their faces were true to the characters' nature in how they're dealing with their "forbidden love," while having Anakin be the one to turn away with the overtly sad look plays well into his "grew up too fast" maturity issues, as seen in AOTC.

I, for one, am going to be very happy when I can take the files of all of the episodes and connect them in QT Pro for one, nice, hour-long viewing.

Justin

11-09-2003, 08:58 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>As for the Anakin / Padme bit, for me, that was the best moment. The build-up was well done, with Anakin's ship lifting off alongside the tower, and the resigned looks on their faces were true to the characters' nature in how they're dealing with their "forbidden love," while having Anakin be the one to turn away with the overtly sad look plays well into his "grew up too fast" maturity issues, as seen in AOTC.[/b][/quote]

But come on, you have to admit that the "hand on the canopy/hand on the window" thing was a real obvious cliche.

Darth Drew

11-09-2003, 09:15 PM

It was very corny

Nathan Butler

11-09-2003, 09:44 PM

There's a difference between an effectively-used cliche and an ineffectively-used cliche. That one was used effectively, and it's also something that has very little precedent in SW. Something that subtle, cliche or not, is not usually the SW style. The only truly obvious part about it was that once one hand went up, the other would. Stylistically, the use of action without words in that instance was fairly surprising, given Tartakovsky's style and that of SW in general.

bluemilk

11-09-2003, 09:46 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>But come on, you have to admit that the "hand on the canopy/hand on the window" thing was a real obvious cliche. [/b][/quote]
cliches are cliches for a reason. It was a simple gesture and considering the time of the cartoon, it worked perfect because the meaning was obvious. The cartoon is highly stylized, no need to add complicated gestures and hidden meanings.

Justin

11-09-2003, 09:50 PM

I think that scene could very well had the same (or greater) impact if they had just looked meaningfully at each other without putting their hands up like that. I think that is one of the dumbest movie cliches out there.

It will be neat if they do delve deeper into the romance than what we saw in the movie, as long as they don't include anymore cheesy bits like the hand-on-the-glass thing.

Darth Darthy

11-09-2003, 09:52 PM

I think it could've worked being longer as long as it was an ongoing saga like it is right now. Once it does finish airing though I wouldn't be surprised to see a crappy 30 minute toy advert like Nathan said.

Justin

11-09-2003, 10:26 PM

I did like how it ended the same way ESB did. That was kind of nifty.

James T. Skywalker

11-09-2003, 10:41 PM

Good episode, through and through.

~JTS

T-bone

11-09-2003, 10:48 PM

Review posted.

Darth Drew

11-09-2003, 10:59 PM

Nice reveiw.

T-bone

11-09-2003, 11:03 PM

give nathan a shout and tell him.

Nathan Butler

11-09-2003, 11:50 PM

Thanks. ::bows::

"AAAAAH! MOTHALAND!"

Long story.

Matev Kenas

11-09-2003, 11:56 PM

OK. My thoughts on the cartoon was... <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%"> It was too freaking short!</span>. They're tormenting me, the Average Luke™ fanboy by feeding us these short snippets.

<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"> Damn you Lucas! Damn you to Hell!</span>

Queen 'Onna

11-10-2003, 12:00 AM

It was good.The ending was just corny.

maddog62

11-10-2003, 12:03 AM

They just need to forget the miniseries crap and go with 1/2 hour shows, we will support it.

Justin

11-10-2003, 12:05 AM

I think the ending was the best part. Not because it was the end, but the way it ended.

I think they should have made it ten minutes.

Darth Darthy

11-10-2003, 12:11 AM

Let's stop this "it should have been X times longer" business. It should have been 3 hours long and then cut in half and released as two parts. On payperview. That would've pissed you off. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

maddog62

11-10-2003, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@Nov 10 2003, 04:11 AM
Let's stop this "it should have been X times longer" business. It should have been 3 hours long and then cut in half and released as two parts. On payperview. That would've pissed you off. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Good point.

Matev Kenas

11-10-2003, 12:34 AM

Very true, but a half hour shows would've kept me satisfied.

Hemingway

11-10-2003, 01:13 AM

I seriously dug it.

Phil Tinajero

11-10-2003, 01:21 AM

I just don't see any logic in making it 3 minutes. There's really no point to it. I don't understand why that was the decision.

Anyway, I thought it was really cool but it did seem to be aimed towards the kiddies. I mean that's okay but that'd be great if they made a really serious SW cartoon with great animation that was meant for teens and adults. I'd love it.

Hemingway

11-10-2003, 01:47 AM

Seems to me that SW is for the kiddies.

But, yeah, in a perfect world they could have been a bit longer.

Leia

11-10-2003, 03:56 AM

I think it would appeal to the "kiddies" more if it were a bit longer, actually...

Darth Darthy

11-10-2003, 04:50 AM

Noooooooooooooo!!!! They've cast Matt Lucas as Anakin! He did the voice for Anakin in the Clone Wars game and although he sounds a bit like him he's the flattest, dullest voice actor since...since... oh I dunno.

Darth Vegas

11-10-2003, 06:02 AM

Well thankfully dialogue is down to a minimum in this series.

Darth Vegas

11-10-2003, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Nov 9 2003, 09:21 PM
I just don't see any logic in making it 3 minutes. There's really no point to it. I don't understand why that was the decision.
Because there's never really been a succesful SW cartoon. I think for the most part this is just a test, to see how good it can be, and it's a little something to hold the fans over for Episode 3.

T-bone

11-10-2003, 10:40 AM

As far as the length goes...a theory.

I think this is just sort of a "test" thing they're doing. To see if people are into the idea of the show and possibly other shows. Technically it is one big story in little 3 minute segments. If they work well, they'll probably do something more or something else on a bigger scale but why take the chance, spend ALL that money and make a cartoon that bombs? Perhaps those scars of Radioland Murders and Howard the Duck, etc are still fresh in the mind? He's not above failure of course but I think these cartoons are a test but not JUST a test, much like how the Special Editions doubled as both an upgrade for the old versions and a test for the Prequel effects to see how they worked, how people responded, and what to change.

maddog62

11-10-2003, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by T'bone@Nov 10 2003, 02:40 PM
As far as the length goes...a theory.

I think this is just sort of a "test" thing they're doing. To see if people are into the idea of the show and possibly other shows. Technically it is one big story in little 3 minute segments. If they work well, they'll probably do something more or something else on a bigger scale but why take the chance, spend ALL that money and make a cartoon that bombs? Perhaps those scars of Radioland Murders and Howard the Duck, etc are still fresh in the mind? He's not above failure of course but I think these cartoons are a test but not JUST a test, much like how the Special Editions doubled as both an upgrade for the old versions and a test for the Prequel effects to see how they worked, how people responded, and what to change.
I see your point. Cartoons are big right now and I think they could make Clone Wars, Jedi purge, and Luke's Jedi Academy interesting to Non-SW fans as long as they stay away from the Slap-stick style cartoon.(driods and ewoks) GT has great arttistic style(Modern) and Hundreds of stories can be told about wars. If this does good enough you can dam bet we will see a regular show. Lets just hope they don't over do it. When bevis and butthead were on Liquid Television they kept you wanting more. 3 years later you could't turn to Mtv without seeing the same BS B&B episode. Mtv knows how to wear something out. I still have bad dreams of Puck and Pedro.

Nathan Butler

11-10-2003, 11:30 AM

"I just don't see any logic in making it 3 minutes. There's really no point to it. I don't understand why that was the decision."

Another issue was marketing. CN has been floundering in its prime time slots for a while now, ever since soon after the Armada and MOTU premiere fuss blew over. They need something to draw people to their REGULAR programming, rather than dropping programming. For CN, little snippets to draw in SW fans is something they could ill afford to pass up.

Gazelle

11-10-2003, 05:44 PM

CLONE WARS on British TV
Just in case you Brits don't know, satellite/cable channel Toonami are showing "Clone Wars" several times a day, usually on the hour. The series started today so we are behind our American cousins by one day.

Darth Vegas

11-15-2003, 06:42 PM

http://www.starwarz.com/clonewarseu/featur...st_chapter1.htm (http://www.starwarz.com/clonewarseu/features/reviews/quest_chapter1.htm)

JediSenshi

11-24-2003, 12:30 AM

I apologize if this has been asked before. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif I live in Canada so I don't get cartoon network. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif And when I tried to watch it on the net I was informed that I had to be in or living in the States to see it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif What can I do to watch them. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hmmm.gif

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