COMICS: Darth Badly's Comic Shack

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 12 2004, 07:45 PM
I heard they put Wolverine and Spider-man in the new line-up. That's just lame, in my opinion, and I don't intend to read it. It sounds like a gimmick to boost sales.
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I agree completely, Justin. The point of the Avengers is that they have history with each other. Giant Man, The Wasp, Wanda, etc etc.

I hope sticking Spidey in is just a short term measure for a few issues before the real team returns.

The Ultimates proves that if you do The Avengers right, then people will buy it.

[Darth Badly]

UNCLE ALAN - future paln NEWS update

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As announced at San Diego's Wildstorm panel, DC Comics, through Wildstorm, has acquired the rights to the IPC library of characters, with Alan and Leah Moore, John Reppion, Shane Oakley and Dave Gibbons already teamed to create the first miniseries, Albion.

Newsarama spoke with DC's VP of Sales & Marketing, Bob Wayne, and Wildstorm Executive Editor Scott Dunbier about how the whole deal worked out, and what got the ball rolling.

Here some excerpts:

"But before starting on the tale, no, you're not in the Twilight Zone - the IPC characters are largely unknown outside of the UK and portions of Europe. "I don't think the awareness in the US and Canada is enough to even be called a cult," Wayne said. "You're talking hardcore Anglophiles when you're talking about American readers who know that much about these characters.

"A couple of years ago, part of Time Warner acquired IPC, which is one of Britain's largest magazine publishers for the entire UK," Wayne said. "When it was announced in the company newsletter telling us what's going on all around the Time Warner divisions, I went to Paul Levitz and told him that IPC had a bunch of comic books that they used to publish and still owned. I asked if it would be okay if I would try and figure out who we'd talk to at IPC. Paul said sure, to go ahead and do it the next time I was in England if I had a few minutes to spare."

For Moore, Wayne admitted…

"…that, in a way, this is another chance for the creator to start from the ground level and build up an entire universe, as he's done before with worlds seen in Watchmen and the America's Best Comics line.

"I think one of the things that seemed to appeal to Alan - he was a big fan of that generation of characters, and now he's going to be able to have the chance to do the next generation's interpretation of them, along with the next generation of Alan Moore, literally," Wayne said. "So there's a nice symmetry on that. I've been a huge fan of Alan's comics since his Warrior days, and of another book by Alan, writing some classic characters - I'm not tired of that yet."


Albion (with interiors by Oakley and covers by Gibbons) is targeted for a summer 2005 release. "Alan did a very inventive plot for the miniseries that the IPC group was very pleased with, and we're going to move ahead from there," Dunbier said. "Alan's story will bring things up to date - it will acknowledge things that happened in the past, and bring it to the modern day."

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Sep 12 2004, 03:24 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Sep 12 2004, 03:24 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Sep 12 2004, 07:06 PM
Hey Badly!*

What do you think of the New Avengers line up?* They are trying to make it more like the JLA, I read somewhere.
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I'm a couple of issues behind so haven't got that far yet.
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The new line up hasn't started yet. I was just talking about the anouncement of who it is. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Sep 12 2004, 03:26 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Sep 12 2004, 03:26 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Sep 12 2004, 07:45 PM
I heard they put Wolverine and Spider-man in the new line-up.* That's just lame, in my opinion, and I don't intend to read it.* It sounds like a gimmick to boost sales.
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I agree completely, Justin. The point of the Avengers is that they have history with each other. Giant Man, The Wasp, Wanda, etc etc.

I hope sticking Spidey in is just a short term measure for a few issues before the real team returns.

The Ultimates proves that if you do The Avengers right, then people will buy it.
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I'm going to hold off my opinion until I read them. I'll give them a chance because I understand the theory of it. JLA is highly succesful and well written with all the major players from DC. I think the new Avengers has potential. I'll guess we'll just have to wait and see. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Justin]

Yeah, but the JLA is different. The JLA was originally about having DC's powerhouses in it, although Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman weren't on the original team (they joined shortly after it started). The JLA is about having the iconic characters together.

The Avengers is about the core Avengers characters; Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, The Wasp, Hawkeye, etc. Characters who are almost exclusively part of the Avengers. Not just every major Marvel Character.

Wolverine is part of his own team, and Spider-Man is a loner. They really don't belong in the Avengers.

[Darth Badly]

What can I add, Justin. I agree completely. Woverine and Spidey are both in two hundred books every month already. Why add them to another where they have no place or history - except to help sales. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 12 2004, 09:02 PM
What can I add, Justin.* I agree completely.* Woverine and Spidey are both in two hundred books every month already.* Why add them to another where they have no place or history - except to help sales.* style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
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I don't know personally, but were sales that bad with the Avengers?

Also, does any one know what they are going to do with Hawkeye? He is my favorite. Maybe he is going back to the ThunderBolts since they are relaunching that book.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 12 2004, 08:17 PM
Yeah, but the JLA is different. The JLA was originally about having DC's powerhouses in it, although Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman weren't on the original team (they joined shortly after it started). The JLA is about having the iconic characters together.

The Avengers is about the core Avengers characters; Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, The Wasp, Hawkeye, etc. Characters who are almost exclusively part of the Avengers. Not just every major Marvel Character.

Wolverine is part of his own team, and Spider-Man is a loner. They really don't belong in the Avengers.
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Batman is basically a loner but he's in the JLA.

I thought the JLA was about having core JLA characters. It's the same to me. I'm sorry, I just don't see the difference besides its o.k. for JLA but not the Avengers. There was also a time when there was various other DC characters in the then Justuce League that excluded all the core JLAers that are there now.

They're trying something new. I give them credit for it. They have been doing the same thing for so long but are willing to try something else. It may not work, but I will still try it being the Avengers fan that I am. I'm mainly glad that Capt. America and Iron man are still in it.

At first I wasn't too thrilled with the idea of Wolverine because he's everywhere but he will add an interesting dynamic. Wolverine is over used, but Superman and Batman are over used too. They both have how many books a peice besides also guest staring in various others. They're everywhere in the DC universe. It definitley goes both ways.

[Darth Badly]

P-Ray

The Avenger sales were not terrible, but they were not up there with X-Men or Batman or The Ultimates either. Usually The Avengers sold between 50,000 and 60,000 per month.

I don't really buy into the comparision (or not) with the JLA becuase I have never read that book - probably for all the reasons you state ie it being full of characters who are already over used. What I like about The Avergers was (is?) characters like The Wasp, Giant Man, Hawkeye, The Vision, The Scarlet Witch etc whose histories and personal lives go hand in hand with the series history.

I'm not against change. The Avengers has always had big mile stone issues where "The Old Order Changeth" and the Avergers membership swapped around. I just think that putting Wolverine & SPidey in it is a really crass Marvel Team Up type idea. Do we really need another Wolverine comic?? I would strongly argue that we do not. Do I want to see characters with absolutely NO history with the Avengers become central to the book? Not really. However, I am pretty sure that this is a temporary state of affairs. Just like when the FF / Avengers etc went into that bloody bubble universe created by Franklin Richards a few years ago. The core characters will return and SPidey etc will leave in about a year when the gimick (which is what it is) wears off.

And that ain't gonna take long.

Grey skies and rain here in London this morning.

DB

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 13 2004, 05:42 AM
P-Ray

The Avenger sales were not terrible, but they were not up there with X-Men or Batman or The Ultimates either.* Usually The Avengers sold between 50,000 and 60,000 per month.

I don't really buy into the comparision (or not) with the JLA becuase I have never read that book - probably for all the reasons you state ie it being full of characters who are already over used.* What I like about The Avergers was (is?) characters like The Wasp, Giant Man, Hawkeye, The Vision, The Scarlet Witch etc whose histories and personal lives go hand in hand with the series history.*

I'm not against change.* The Avengers has always had big mile stone issues where "The Old Order Changeth" and the Avergers membership swapped around.* I just think that putting Wolverine & SPidey in it is a really crass Marvel Team Up type idea.* Do we really need another Wolverine comic??* I would strongly argue that we do not.* Do I want to see characters with absolutely NO history with the Avengers become central to the book?* Not really.* However, I am pretty sure that this is a temporary state of affairs.* Just like when the FF / Avengers etc went into that bloody bubble universe created by Franklin Richards a few years ago.* The core characters will return and SPidey etc will leave in about a year when the gimick (which is what it is) wears off.

And that ain't gonna take long.

Grey skies and rain here in London this morning.

DB
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Very good points! It especially won't last too long if fans don't buy iy.

Another Hurricane heading too close to Florida again this morning style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[cj790]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 12 2004, 06:58 PM
It the penultimate Promethea.

Uncle Alan is not deserting us yet, so fear not, true believer.* Projects already underway include series 3 of League of XG.* And a project called Albion which revives some of Uncle Alan's fav IPC characters from the 50s and 60s.

Also still to come is his sexpot epic LOST GIRLS and several other projects.

If you're a fan of Uncle Alan have you heard his spoken word Egyptican Theare of Grand Marvel CDs?* If not I can do a copy for you.*

DB
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I'm a BIG Uncle Alan fan, esp. his Swampy, V for Vendetta, From Hell, Promethea, etc. etc.

So glad to hear of LXG 3!!! Wasn't sure he'd go back to it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I'm very interested in the CD! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Badly]

PM me your address then, matey.

[Justin]

So what did you think of "Who Killed Retro Girl"?

I think all the POWERS TPBs are great, especially "Little Deaths," "Supergroup" and "The Sellouts." But the others are very good too, in my opinion.

[Darth Badly]

Haven't had the chance to read it yet, Justin. I'm a little backed up on the comics front - but I will get to it ASAP!

[Darth Badly]

Just this minute returned from my much promised trip to F.P. with:


This week's 2000AD

Avengers #501

Strange #1 by Straczynski etc

Iron Man #433 (part of Disassembled)

Thor #586 (part of Disassembled)

Ultimate Nightmare by Ellis #1 & #2

Astonishing X-Men #4 by Whedon etc

Plus ESSENTIAL AVENGERS Vol #4 - featuring reprints of Avengers #69 to 97 - mostly written by Roy Thomas and including art by Neal Adams. (B&W but a lot of comic for your buck. And includes the Harlan Ellison story for Hulk #140.)

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 16 2004, 07:10 PM
Just this minute returned from my much promised trip to F.P. with:
Avengers #501
Ultimate Nightmare by Ellis #1 & #2
Astonishing X-Men #4 by Whedon etc

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Hey Badly, can you give me your run down of these after you read them?


I didn't pick up the Ultimate Nightmare series and I was wondering how they are.

[BobPalpatine]

Nightmare series is starting off pretty good for me. Ellis can do no wrong. His writing is always smart and pretty humorous at times (nothing will ever be as good as Transmet though).

I'm kind of disappointed with Astonishing though. Whedon is a great writer for the most part but this series does not live up to his standards. Although my opinion might be flawed by the fact that every single X book out right now is changing every important story line from Morrison's run on New X-men.

Me I've become more of a DC fanboy as of late. Green Arrow, the majority of the Bat titles, Fallen Angel, Flash, and Green Lantern all keep me entertained week to week. Not to mention DC's Vertigo line. I think Fables is the best running title at the moment. If you haven't picked it up, please do. Y the Last man is also keeping me pretty entertained.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Sep 17 2004, 03:01 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Sep 17 2004, 03:01 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Darth Badly@Sep 16 2004, 07:10 PM
Just this minute returned from my much promised trip to F.P. with:
Avengers #501
Ultimate Nightmare by Ellis #1 & #2
Astonishing X-Men #4 by Whedon etc

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Hey Badly, can you give me your run down of these after you read them?


I didn't pick up the Ultimate Nightmare series and I was wondering how they are.
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Hi P-Ray:

Yeah, of course I'll post my thoughts. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Ultimate Nightmare was a close call I nearly waited for the tpb. And might still do so but I'll let you know how the first two issues are.

And hello Bob and welcome to the thread.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Sep 17 2004, 03:01 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Sep 17 2004, 03:01 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Darth Badly@Sep 16 2004, 07:10 PM
Just this minute returned from my much promised trip to F.P. with:
Avengers #501
Ultimate Nightmare by Ellis #1 & #2
Astonishing X-Men #4 by Whedon etc

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Hey Badly, can you give me your run down of these after you read them?


I didn't pick up the Ultimate Nightmare series and I was wondering how they are.
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Just read Avengers #501. I was a little dissappointed. I kinda enjoyed it, but I would have liked to see the team move forward a bit more and start working out who was behind all the attacks in the previous issue. It was a nice looking splash page with all the old Avengers turning up, but I would rather have had a bit more story. I read the recent Avengers/ JLA team up series and so have probably had enough of splashs featuring everyone and their aunt for a while. I felt the team were a bit rough on Tony Stark too, although I understand when it was plotted that way.

I'm worried about the next issue. The cover proclaims that one of the following Avengers (shown on the cover) will die. (I'm not giving away anything that isn't on the actual cover.)

The Avengers on the Death List are:
The Wasp
Hawk Pym
Hawkeye (Clint)
Scarlett Witch.

Now if they do kill any of those off I am going to be mighty pissed off. I don't mind them bringing in Spidey and Wolverine for a year long stint, but they should throw long term characters out of the window just for a quick splash.

I don't know who gets it (and I don't wanna). If I had to guess then I would say maybe Wanda because surely the Scarlett Witch would be the most easy to bring back from being dead with her weird probability powers (plus she's already done that with Wonder Man.) Anyway, we'll see, but I hope it's good.

What did you think of #501, P-Ray??

DB

[Darth Badly]

And here is that cover to Avengers #502. Out soon.

[BobPalpatine]

I've already read Avengers 502. I know who dies. They do it pretty well though. I read the advance copy of this a couple of weeks ago at my comic shop.

I'm going today to pick up my pull list from yesterday. I didn't get to get them because I was working all day yesterday. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

Picking up:
BATGIRL #56
CATWOMAN #35
EX MACHINA #4 (MR)
FLASH #214
ROBIN #130
TEEN TITANS #16
BLACK WIDOW #1 (Of 6)
MYSTIQUE #19
NIGHTCRAWLER #1
RUNAWAYS #18
ULTIMATE ELEKTRA #2
ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR #11

A lot of good stuff out this week. If you want to check out this weeks list it's here. (http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/shipping_092204.txt)

[Darth Badly]

Thanks Bob. And thanks for not spoiling who dies. We can all discuss shortly.

DB

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Sep 23 2004, 06:28 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Sep 23 2004, 06:28 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by P-Ray@Sep 17 2004, 03:01 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Darth Badly@Sep 16 2004, 07:10 PM
Just this minute returned from my much promised trip to F.P. with:
Avengers #501
Ultimate Nightmare by Ellis #1 & #2
Astonishing X-Men #4 by Whedon etc

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Hey Badly, can you give me your run down of these after you read them?


I didn't pick up the Ultimate Nightmare series and I was wondering how they are.
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Just read Avengers #501. I was a little dissappointed. I kinda enjoyed it, but I would have liked to see the team move forward a bit more and start working out who was behind all the attacks in the previous issue. It was a nice looking splash page with all the old Avengers turning up, but I would rather have had a bit more story. I read the recent Avengers/ JLA team up series and so have probably had enough of splashs featuring everyone and their aunt for a while. I felt the team were a bit rough on Tony Stark too, although I understand when it was plotted that way.

I'm worried about the next issue. The cover proclaims that one of the following Avengers (shown on the cover) will die. (I'm not giving away anything that isn't on the actual cover.)

The Avengers on the Death List are:
The Wasp
Hawk Pym
Hawkeye (Clint)
Scarlett Witch.

Now if they do kill any of those off I am going to be mighty pissed off. I don't mind them bringing in Spidey and Wolverine for a year long stint, but they should throw long term characters out of the window just for a quick splash.

I don't know who gets it (and I don't wanna). If I had to guess then I would say maybe Wanda because surely the Scarlett Witch would be the most easy to bring back from being dead with her weird probability powers (plus she's already done that with Wonder Man.) Anyway, we'll see, but I hope it's good.

What did you think of #501, P-Ray??

DB
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Hey DB!

501 was pretty good. I also didn't like how the team immediately thought Iron Man was guilty. It seems in the past(and now with all these other things coincidently happening at the same time) that they would side with him or give him the benifit of the doubt. And like you, I understand it's neccessary for where they are going with the story. The art for these are incredible!

I just picked up #502 but I haven't read it yet. I guess that it's either Wasp,Hank Pym or Hawkeye that gets killed. My reason is because we haven't heard what the're doing with these characters yet. I thought Hawkeye might go back to Thunderbolts but no word as of yet. BTW, Hawkeye is my favorite. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif so I'm sure it'll prabably be him. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

I also picked up Nightcrawler,Astonishing,Uncanny, Weapon X and Excaliber today.

Hey Badly, what did you think of the Ultimate Nightmare series so far?

[Justin]

I bet it will be Hank Pym. I'm not reading the series because I thought Avengers 500 was too much up front and I don't have any interest in reading Spidey and Wolverine outside their other books, but I'm interested to know who they kill off.

It sucks that they are killing off some people's favorite characters, but at least they aren't turning them into homicidal maniacs who commit mass murder and try to destroy the universe, a la Hal Jordan in 1994.

[BobPalpatine]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 23 2004, 12:37 PM
It sucks that they are killing off some people's favorite characters, but at least they aren't turning them into homicidal maniacs who commit mass murder and try to destroy the universe, a la Hal Jordan in 1994.
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Yea Hal Jordan will be tainted as a character forever after that incident. With Rebirth DC is finally trying to appease Jordan fans. I like Hal, but I think I like Kyle just as much. I really hope they don't push Kyle out of the picture. Oh well, we will see what happens when Rebirth comes out.

[Darth Badly]

Justin - Can you in summary tell us WHY DC did that with Hal Jordan back in 1994??

[Darth Badly]

Meanwhile disturbing news...

I have just retirned from FP London with Astonishing X-Men #5, Grant Morrison's WE3, and Avengers #502.

Just read Avengers #502. I am not a happy bunny.

Let me know when you're read it P-Ray and we can discuss.

DB

[brookie]

Originally posted by BobPalpatine@Sep 16 2004, 10:03 PM
Nightmare series is starting off pretty good for me. Ellis can do no wrong. His writing is always smart and pretty humorous at times (nothing will ever be as good as Transmet though).
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amen to that ! i havent been posting much in theis thread as of late, because i havent been able to afford my usual load, but im making a trip tommrow, and ill report back!

my book recommendation of the month : the new bullseye book, i forget what its caled and im too lazy to go look, but it totally kicks ass! i love bullseye, he is so flippin nuts! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[K-Man]

I think Wanted & Identity Crisis are the two best comics out there right now. Anyone else reading them?

[Darth Badly]

No, I'm not reading them. But others probably are...

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 23 2004, 07:40 PM
Meanwhile disturbing news...

I have just retirned from FP London with Astonishing X-Men #5, Grant Morrison's WE3, and Avengers #502.

Just read Avengers #502. I am not a happy bunny.

Let me know when you're read it P-Ray and we can discuss.

DB
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Ut Oh! This doesn't sound good. I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but I'll let you know.

[BobPalpatine]

Originally posted by K-Man@Sep 23 2004, 07:43 PM
I think Wanted & Identity Crisis are the two best comics out there right now. Anyone else reading them?
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Wanted I haven't tried yet. I've heard both good and bad things about it so far. I'll probably read it in tpb form later.

Identity Crisis is pretty good, but I was a little disappointed by the death at the beginning of the series. DC made it out to be a big hero. When it was not I was disappointed. I do like how they did it though. Targeting not just the heroes makes it a whole new ballgame.

If you like Identity Crisis check out the newest Flash (214 I think) It is an Identity Crisis tie-in.

I'm really into War Games at the moment. I'm a batfreak. I read almost all of the Bat family titles. It gets pretty expensive.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 23 2004, 08:38 PM
Justin - Can you in summary tell us WHY DC did that with Hal Jordan back in 1994??
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Even though then-editor of Green Lantern Kevin Dooley denies it, it is an obviously desperate attempt to boost sales.

At that time, the Green Lantern stories had become kind of stale and unimaginative, most likely because the writer, Gerard Jones, was writing too many different books at the same time and had probably just burned out on Green Lantern. He had written some very good GL stories, but the quality of the writing had dropped dramatically in in 1993 and because of that sales had dived.

Then, in an obviously short-minded decision, Kevin Dooley decided that the problems laid with the character and not the quality of the writing. He even said that Hal Jordan was a stagnant character who had no depth and all writers basically had a hard time writing stories about him because he was so shallow and never developed.

This is completely untrue, because Hal had undergone some very interesting developments and had one of the coolest origins in comics ever, and his day job as a test pilot was really nifty.

And really, if he was such a shallow character and writers had a hard time coming up with interesting stories for him, how did he last for thirty years? And how much has Superman, Batman or Spider-Man developed? Definitely they have and in interesting ways, but really the core of the characters are the same.

So they decided that they needed to have some big shocking event similar to the Death of Superman and Knightfall, and they made Hal go crazy and destroy the Green Lantern Corps, severly beating and even killing his friends. He then became a major villain in the DC universe.

This was extremely out of character. It's like having Superman become a rapist, or Spider-man a child molester. It was a complete betrayal of everything he stood for.

And then, in what they called a "forward direction" or whatever, they replaced Hal with a young Peter Parker/Wally West clone who was basically just another Earth-bound superhero.

Anyway, this alienated and angered many readers (myself included) and even most comic book writers like John Byrne, Mark Waid and Alex Ross.

It was essentially a cheap trick to boost sales.

Instead of getting a new, talented writer to improve the quality of the title (which was really what it needed), they destroyed one of their best and most original concepts (the space police style Corps made up of hundreds of Green Lanterns from all corners of the galaxy) by betraying an interesting character who broke the mold that most heroes come from, in favor of a cookie-cutter superhero.

Thankfully the current management at DC realized how big of a mistake they made ten years ago and have a talented writer (Geoff Johns) who is passionate about the character to rectify it and make it right.

[Darth Badly]

Thanks for the summary Justin. It does seem crazy thinking to blame the character for poor writing!

Can you just say - did they have him totally destroy the Green Lantern Corps then? Completely? What was Hal's name as a villain?

And finally what is the (basic) idea of the new series. To rewrite history? Have a character go back in time and change it or what?

DB

[P-Ray]

A friend of mine has a great theory of who the trader is going to be for the Identity Crisis. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[Darth Badly]

P-Ray - stop posting and go read Avengers #502, my friend.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 25 2004, 10:36 AM
P-Ray - stop posting and go read Avengers #502, my friend.
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Sorry! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif I've been running in here to post while getting ready for Hurricane Jeanne. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif Yes, I am far from over the Hurricanes.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 25 2004, 10:36 AM
P-Ray - stop posting and go read Avengers #502, my friend.
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I just read it! No it's not true...it can't be. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

I'm not that upset because we are talking about Marvel. In a few months, I'm sure we'll find out that they flew through the ship and out the other side before it blew. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Or maybe I'm just in denial. They better of not gotten rid of my favorite character forever style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

[Justin]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 25 2004, 09:12 AM
Thanks for the summary Justin.* It does seem crazy thinking to blame the character for poor writing!

Can you just say - did they have him totally destroy the Green Lantern Corps then?* Completely?* What was Hal's name as a villain?*

And finally what is the (basic) idea of the new series.* To rewrite history?* Have a character go back in time and change it or what?

DB
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Yes, he completely destroyed the Green Lantern Corps by destroying its power source and absorbing it all into himself, allowing thousands of Green Lanterns who were out in space to die. He even murdered a friend who tried to stop him.

After that, there was only one ring left, which was just given to this guy at a rave for no other reason than the last Guardian (the guys who created the GL Corps) running into him by chance and saying "you will do."

It was a poor, poor decision and a weak story.

Hal's name as a villain was Parallax, which was meant to be that he thought he was doing what was right even though others saw it differently, which was kind of cheesy. The new costume they made for him was pretty cool though, lol.

In another genius move, DC made Hal become the new Spectre, and thereby redeeming himself or whatever.

The storyline for Rebirth is top secret, but I think the idea behind the new series is that Hal and Parallax weren't actually the same person or something. The rumor going around is that the "evil Hal" was in actuality a rogue Guardian who had featured in a previous storyline and had been banished to some sector or something like that.

Anyway, whatever happens, they need to make it so that Hal wasn't really the one who destroyed the GL Corps, because they can't just take a mass murderer (no matter how out of character it was) and suddenly say "ok, all is forgiven and you can be a superhero again."

But the bottom line is that Hal was always THE Green Lantern and everything is going to be made right. I can't wait. It's the best comics news I've heard in ten years.

[Justin]

Sorry for the huge posts guys, lol.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 26 2004, 07:47 AM
Sorry for the huge posts guys, lol.
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Don't apologise. I appreciate you taking the time to explain things. Please let us know how the new series shapes up and perhsps give us a summary of how they work it out?

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Sep 26 2004, 12:57 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Sep 26 2004, 12:57 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Darth Badly@Sep 25 2004, 10:36 AM
P-Ray - stop posting and go read Avengers #502, my friend.
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I just read it! No it's not true...it can't be. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

I'm not that upset because we are talking about Marvel. In a few months, I'm sure we'll find out that they flew through the ship and out the other side before it blew. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Or maybe I'm just in denial. They better of not gotten rid of my favorite character forever style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif
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SPOILER for Avengers #502 below.









I wasn't happy. I am assuming the Hawkeye thought that now his arrow pack was on fire that some or all of the arrows were gonna blow? (Is that what you guys thought?) In which case, why for the love of God didn't he try and take the arrow pack off? It struck me as a pretty contrived piece of writing just to get him to die in a heroic way. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif


I also didn't like the way that the Avengers have been under attack for three issues now (four if you count the double sized #500 as two) and other than explosions the story hasn't advanced much since page ten of the first part. And the Earth's mightest heroes need Dr Strange to pop up and tell them who is doing this rather than working it out for themselves.

Only a few issues until Spidey and Wolverine join the team. Oh great.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Sep 26 2004, 01:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Sep 26 2004, 01:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Sep 26 2004, 07:47 AM
Sorry for the huge posts guys, lol.
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Don't apologise. I appreciate you taking the time to explain things. Please let us know how the new series shapes up and perhsps give us a summary of how they work it out?
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LOL why not buy it for yourself and see? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Justin]

I kind of figured Hawkeye would die. But then, that spaceship wasn't really there, or at least was made of paper or something, so he probably didn't actually die but was whisked away to never never land or wherever.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 26 2004, 12:31 PM
I kind of figured Hawkeye would die.* But then, that spaceship wasn't really there, or at least was made of paper or something, so he probably didn't actually die but was whisked away to never never land or wherever.
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It's kinda like how they have brought Colossus back. I think they should have used the Colossus who was in the Exiles for a short bit. He was the one from our timeline and everything. The only problem would be that he wouldn't have cured the Legacy Virus because I think the Exiles story took place just prior(but I'm not sure).

BTW, Justin, I heard some possible news about Kyle Rayner's future(if you're interested or don't know yet) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif Let me know if you want it. It's just a possibility at this point.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Sep 26 2004, 12:16 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Sep 26 2004, 12:16 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by P-Ray@Sep 26 2004, 12:57 AM
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P-Ray - stop posting and go read Avengers #502, my friend.
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I just read it! No it's not true...it can't be. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

I'm not that upset because we are talking about Marvel. In a few months, I'm sure we'll find out that they flew through the ship and out the other side before it blew. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Or maybe I'm just in denial. They better of not gotten rid of my favorite character forever style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif
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SPOILER for Avengers #502 below.









I wasn't happy. I am assuming the Hawkeye thought that now his arrow pack was on fire that some or all of the arrows were gonna blow? (Is that what you guys thought?) In which case, why for the love of God didn't he try and take the arrow pack off? It struck me as a pretty contrived piece of writing just to get him to die in a heroic way. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif


I also didn't like the way that the Avengers have been under attack for three issues now (four if you count the double sized #500 as two) and other than explosions the story hasn't advanced much since page ten of the first part. And the Earth's mightest heroes need Dr Strange to pop up and tell them who is doing this rather than working it out for themselves.

Only a few issues until Spidey and Wolverine join the team. Oh great.
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Also, I know it's for the benefit of the story, but again I say, everyone was sure quick to persucute Tony Stark especially with all the peculiar things going on at the same to to the Avengers.

Hey Badly! who do you think they will reveal who the traitor is in #504? Do you have any guesses?

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Justin+Sep 26 2004, 06:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ Sep 26 2004, 06:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 26 2004, 01:10 PM
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Sorry for the huge posts guys, lol.
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Don't apologise. I appreciate you taking the time to explain things. Please let us know how the new series shapes up and perhsps give us a summary of how they work it out?
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LOL why not buy it for yourself and see? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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I've never followed Green Lantern so it would mean much less to me than you - but I'm interested to know what happens.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Justin@Sep 26 2004, 06:31 PM
I kind of figured Hawkeye would die. But then, that spaceship wasn't really there, or at least was made of paper or something, so he probably didn't actually die but was whisked away to never never land or wherever.
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Certainly possible.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Sep 26 2004, 06:45 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Sep 26 2004, 06:45 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 26 2004, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by P-Ray@Sep 26 2004, 12:57 AM
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P-Ray - stop posting and go read Avengers #502, my friend.
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I just read it! No it's not true...it can't be. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

I'm not that upset because we are talking about Marvel. In a few months, I'm sure we'll find out that they flew through the ship and out the other side before it blew. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Or maybe I'm just in denial. They better of not gotten rid of my favorite character forever style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif
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Only a few issues until Spidey and Wolverine join the team. Oh great.
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Also, I know it's for the benefit of the story, but again I say, everyone was sure quick to persucute Tony Stark especially with all the peculiar things going on at the same to to the Avengers.

Hey Badly! who do you think they will reveal who the traitor is in #504? Do you have any guesses?
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I agree with you about the Tony Stark angle. 1/ He has done enough good to be given the benifit of the doubt. 2/ Avengers are being attacked in all kinda ways - and yet none of their big brains wonders if the Stark episode could be related - when it is bloody obvious to any 12 year-old reading that it is.

As for the traitor? I didn't know there was going to be a traitor. (!) Also I thought this stortyline ended in a double sized #303.

DB

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Sep 26 2004, 06:48 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Sep 26 2004, 06:48 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by P-Ray@Sep 26 2004, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Darth Badly@Sep 26 2004, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by P-Ray@Sep 26 2004, 12:57 AM
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P-Ray - stop posting and go read Avengers #502, my friend.
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I just read it! No it's not true...it can't be. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

I'm not that upset because we are talking about Marvel. In a few months, I'm sure we'll find out that they flew through the ship and out the other side before it blew. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Or maybe I'm just in denial. They better of not gotten rid of my favorite character forever style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif
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Only a few issues until Spidey and Wolverine join the team. Oh great.
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Also, I know it's for the benefit of the story, but again I say, everyone was sure quick to persucute Tony Stark especially with all the peculiar things going on at the same to to the Avengers.

Hey Badly! who do you think they will reveal who the traitor is in #504? Do you have any guesses?
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I agree with you about the Tony Stark angle. 1/ He has done enough good to be given the benifit of the doubt. 2/ Avengers are being attacked in all kinda ways - and yet none of their big brains wonders if the Stark episode could be related - when it is bloody obvious to any 12 year-old reading that it is.

As for the traitor? I didn't know there was going to be a traitor. (!) Also I thought this stortyline ended in a double sized #303.

DB
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I could be mistaken but I thought I read somewhere (possibly Marvel.com) that there was going to be a traitor revealed in issue #504.

[P-Ray]

I just went to marvel.com and I guess I was wrong. It says "disassembled" will be concluded in #503 but just says the person behind it all will be revealed. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif Sorry!

[Darth Badly]

Below is a quote from an interview with current Avengers writer Bendis talking about issue #502 and its impact.



"The next issue of the series, issue #502 coming later this month, promises the death of one core Avenger- Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Yellowjacket or Wasp, a promise that has upset many fans. But is Bendis, with his new "language" for the Avengers, simply trying to redefine the core- and core members- of the Avengers? "No, they're two different things," he answers. "The story that's being told now is about the Avengers as they exist now- the mistakes they've made and problems that they've had when they're playing a game so dramatic, that's so high stakes and those stakes will cost them everything. This is a very dangerous game, which is a given for all superhero comics, and we're showing how that backfires. I think a lot of people realize that what's happening is happening, no dream or fake out story, and it's a little upsetting. This isn't some hollow event. Things are happening. But we're not doing it to shock, though there are certainly shocking parts to it. Something like this doesn't often happen on this level."

[Darth Badly]

And here's the cover of the next issue Avengers #503.

[P-Ray]

^Great cover,IMO!

[Darth Badly]

Yeah, it's nice.

[Justin]

Badly, I'm pretty sure that everything you need to know about GL will be presented to the readers in Rebirth because they are hoping to attract new readers who haven't followed Green Lantern.

It will probably be a great story. Get it get it!! I'm reading Avengers for you!

[BobPalpatine]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Sep 26 2004, 11:41 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Sep 26 2004, 11:41 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Sep 26 2004, 12:31 PM
I kind of figured Hawkeye would die. But then, that spaceship wasn't really there, or at least was made of paper or something, so he probably didn't actually die but was whisked away to never never land or wherever.
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It's kinda like how they have brought Colossus back. I think they should have used the Colossus who was in the Exiles for a short bit. He was the one from our timeline and everything. The only problem would be that he wouldn't have cured the Legacy Virus because I think the Exiles story took place just prior(but I'm not sure).

BTW, Justin, I heard some possible news about Kyle Rayner's future(if you're interested or don't know yet) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif Let me know if you want it. It's just a possibility at this point.
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Are you talking about that stupid rumor of him being the villian in Identity Crisis? There are a handful reasons that I find this rumor kind of stupid.

#1 Meltzer is focusing on the B-team heros and rogues. GL is not a B-team member.
#2 This also has a lot to do with the old team. Kyle is not part of the old team.
#3 I highly doubt (knock on wood) that DC would stupid enough to kill off Kyle by having him go crazy ala Hal Jordan. DC received enough backlash with Hal. Having ANOTHER GL go crazy would be too cliched. First Sinestro, then Hal, and now Kyle too much if you ask me.
#4 I believe that Kyle appeared in a recent Superman comic that takes place one year in the future. So he should still be around for another year. Although this wouldn't be the first time there was a continuity issue in comics. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif
#5 In issue 4 Batman drops a HUGE hint at who it might be by asking "Who would benifit?" This looks like a pretty obvious foreshadow. Most books that involve the JLA Batman is used as a character who can see things quite far ahead. He isn't the world's greatest detective for anything.

I'm guessing this is the Kyle Rayner news you heard about or am I talking out of my ass?

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by BobPalpatine+Sep 27 2004, 12:22 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BobPalpatine @ Sep 27 2004, 12:22 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by P-Ray@Sep 26 2004, 11:41 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Sep 26 2004, 12:31 PM
I kind of figured Hawkeye would die.* But then, that spaceship wasn't really there, or at least was made of paper or something, so he probably didn't actually die but was whisked away to never never land or wherever.
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It's kinda like how they have brought Colossus back. I think they should have used the Colossus who was in the Exiles for a short bit. He was the one from our timeline and everything. The only problem would be that he wouldn't have cured the Legacy Virus because I think the Exiles story took place just prior(but I'm not sure).

BTW, Justin, I heard some possible news about Kyle Rayner's future(if you're interested or don't know yet) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif Let me know if you want it. It's just a possibility at this point.
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Are you talking about that stupid rumor of him being the villian in Identity Crisis? There are a handful reasons that I find this rumor kind of stupid.

#1 Meltzer is focusing on the B-team heros and rogues. GL is not a B-team member.
#2 This also has a lot to do with the old team. Kyle is not part of the old team.
#3 I highly doubt (knock on wood) that DC would stupid enough to kill off Kyle by having him go crazy ala Hal Jordan. DC received enough backlash with Hal. Having ANOTHER GL go crazy would be too cliched. First Sinestro, then Hal, and now Kyle too much if you ask me.
#4 I believe that Kyle appeared in a recent Superman comic that takes place one year in the future. So he should still be around for another year. Although this wouldn't be the first time there was a continuity issue in comics. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif
#5 In issue 4 Batman drops a HUGE hint at who it might be by asking "Who would benifit?" This looks like a pretty obvious foreshadow. Most books that involve the JLA Batman is used as a character who can see things quite far ahead. He isn't the world's greatest detective for anything.

I'm guessing this is the Kyle Rayner news you heard about or am I talking out of my ass?
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What I'm talking about is that Kyle may be this new character (maybe villian) called Black Hand. A buddy of mine who owns a comic store says there is a new DC character who has a black hand as if a ring blew up on his finger. He had some other examples of why he thought the Black Hand would be Kyle, but I was just wondering if you heard that?

[brookie]

so what are you guys planning on picking up this week?

here is what i plan on

DAREDEVIL #65 ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL

ELEKTRA THE HAND #2

MARVEL KNIGHTS 2099 BLACK PANTHER #1

MARVEL KNIGHTS 2099 DAREDEVIL #1

MARVEL KNIGHTS 2099 MUTANT #1

MARVEL KNIGHTS 2099 PUNISHER #1

OFFICIAL HANDBOOK MARVEL UNIVERSE DAREDEVIL ELEKTRA 2004

CAT WOMAN:WHEN IN ROME#1

and my boo recomendation for this week is Black widow #1- freakin great! great art and great dialogue, great ! great! great!

WHAT did you guys think of the new astonishing x men? isnt it freaking fanatastic?

[brookie]

http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18243 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[James T. Skywalker]

I got around to reading Ultimate Spider-Man #65 today. Good read, liked the "Breakfast Club" dynamic (and how it all fell apart in the middle style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif), and finally finding out what Flash had wanted to talk to Peter about for so long was good to know.

~JTS

[Darth Badly]

I don't buy anything in that long list of yours, Brookie, but I'm sure there will be other stuff which will cost be bucks. (Well, quids.)

I had a flick through Black Widow #1 last week and decided that I'd wait for the tpb instead of buying the series. So let me know if it's worth it in the coming months.

[Justin]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Sep 27 2004, 04:02 PM
What I'm talking about is that Kyle may be this new character (maybe villian) called Black Hand. A buddy of mine who owns a comic store says there is a new DC character who has a black hand as if a ring blew up on his finger. He had some other examples of why he thought the Black Hand would be Kyle, but I was just wondering if you heard that?
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Black Hand is not a new character, he's a villain from the Silver Age.

[cj790]

Just popped in to say I got the parcel DB!
Wow, Cheers!!!
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Can't wait to have a listen; going to sit back with a beer or two tonight style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Thanks mate!

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin+Sep 27 2004, 08:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ Sep 27 2004, 08:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Sep 27 2004, 04:02 PM
What I'm talking about is that Kyle may be this new character (maybe villian) called Black Hand.* A buddy of mine who owns a comic store says there is a new DC character who has a black hand as if a ring blew up on his finger.* He had some other examples of why he thought the Black Hand would be Kyle, but I was just wondering if you heard that?
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Black Hand is not a new character, he's a villain from the Silver Age.
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True, but my buddy says that events are starting to happen that might prove Black Hands reemergence. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin+Sep 27 2004, 08:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ Sep 27 2004, 08:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Sep 27 2004, 04:02 PM
What I'm talking about is that Kyle may be this new character (maybe villian) called Black Hand.* A buddy of mine who owns a comic store says there is a new DC character who has a black hand as if a ring blew up on his finger.* He had some other examples of why he thought the Black Hand would be Kyle, but I was just wondering if you heard that?
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Black Hand is not a new character, he's a villain from the Silver Age.
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Sorry! I just found out that now, Kyle is just going to go out in space style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by cj790@Sep 30 2004, 10:44 AM
Just popped in to say I got the parcel DB!
Wow, Cheers!!!
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Can't wait to have a listen; going to sit back with a beer or two tonight style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Thanks mate!
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No worries, my friend.

Let me know what you think.

DB

[BobaFreak77]

I mostly read old comics mostly 1960s spiderman comics

[Darth Badly]

Humm this guy looks a lot like JTS??? !

[P-Ray]

BTW, I'm still very bored and disappointed with the Jim Lee Superman comic.

People keep talking me into staying with it but it's not helping. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[Darth Badly]

I don't read (never have) Superman myself.

[brookie]

my recommendation for this week is... DAREDEVIL 2099, IT WAS REALLY GREAT!

[Justin]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Oct 1 2004, 05:07 PM
BTW, I'm still very bored and disappointed with the Jim Lee Superman comic.

People keep talking me into staying with it but it's not helping. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif
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What Greg Rucka's doing on Aventures of Superman is pretty good though. Lois just got shot, lol.

I didn't like Brian Azzarello's run on Batman so I'm not surprised his Superman arc has sucked.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Justin+Oct 2 2004, 01:19 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ Oct 2 2004, 01:19 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Oct 1 2004, 05:07 PM
BTW, I'm still very bored and disappointed with the Jim Lee Superman comic.

People keep talking me into staying with it but it's not helping. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif
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What Greg Rucka's doing on Aventures of Superman is pretty good though. Lois just got shot, lol.

I didn't like Brian Azzarello's run on Batman so I'm not surprised his Superman arc has sucked.
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Yea, my buddy has said that Adventure and action(I think) is pretty good right now.

BTW, I just picked up all the Identity Crisis comics. I'm looking forward to them especially if the twist that's possibly supposed to happen does.

Also, can anyone tell me if they are enjoying Ultimate Nightmare and/or the new Batman crossover "War Games"? I skipped them for financial reasons and am wondering if I was missing anything good.

[Darth Badly]

I have the first two issues of Ultimate Nightmare - but haven't had time to read 'em yet. Will report when I do. I'd at least hold off for the tpb now if I were you.

[brookie]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Oct 2 2004, 12:59 PM
I have the first two issues of Ultimate Nightmare - but haven't had time to read 'em yet. Will report when I do. I'd at least hold off for the tpb now if I were you.
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i agree, they are def tpb material , i read the first two as well, let me know when youre done badly then we can discuss.

i just got the 1st trade of the fantastic four , 4! it is awsome! i couldnt put it down! i really enjoyed the art.

oh yes, punisher 2099 blew chunks, DD 2099 was well worth the read though! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[BobPalpatine]

I didn't really enjoy any of the 2099s that just came out. Although I only read DD 2099, Punisher 2099, and Inhumans 2099. I hear Mutant 2099 is actually pretty good. I might check it out later. The writing and the art seemed very bland to me. Oh well I'll wait for the rest of them in tpb format and if the first one isn't very good I'll just stop reading it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Anybody reading Powerless? It's a pretty good read so far. It will be interesting to see what happens to our Marvel heros without their powers. Right now things are looking too good for most of them. Although I have a feeling they'll pull through.

[brookie]

i think the 2099 are just one shots. the art was bad, but the dd story blew mw away. common, the end? that was the bees knees!

[Darth Badly]

Anyone else reading Grant morrison's we3?

I just finished the first issue and thought it was great. But then I am a sucker for animals with eletrodes in their brains stories.

Here's sneak preview of the cover for issue two - out at the end of Oct.

[Darth Badly]

Here are a few covers of stuff out this week.

Iron Man and Captain America are both Part 4 of 4 part stories tieing into the Avengers Disassembled storyline.

She Hulk is included because I love the look on Howard's face. (Trapped in a lift he never made.)

Milkman Murders ~ 4 is also featured. hey didn't one of you lot tell me that was a three part series?

[Darth Badly]

Iron Man

[Darth Badly]

Cap

[Darth Badly]

Milkman Murders - cover minus logo

[brookie]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Oct 8 2004, 07:39 PM
Here are a few covers of stuff out this week.

Iron Man and Captain America are both Part 4 of 4 part stories tieing into the Avengers Disassembled storyline.

She Hulk is included because I love the look on Howard's face. (Trapped in a lift he never made.)

Milkman Murders ~ 4 is also featured. hey didn't one of you lot tell me that was a three part series?
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wow! i swear it was only a 3 parter (milkman murders) maybe becouse it was such a hit, they decided to do another? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif
WE3 is great, i liked seeing the animals kick ass, i was hesitant at first, becouse i get so emotional when it comes to animals, animal abuse and animal testing, but im gald i read it

i have always enjoyed she hulk- its a guilty pleasure, and the cover art is just fantastic!

[Darth Badly]

I thought you'd like the She Hulk cover.

And hey! It was you that told me MM was three parts. Well, it's more now - so that's good news.

we3 really made me sad too. Those poor dumb brutes.

[brookie]

wait, i just went to the darkhorse web site and it said milkman murders #4 of 4! no way! a month ago it said #3 of 3! i swear, wierd... but im not complaining, i looooove this book!

[Darth Badly]

And next month 5 of #5.

That's how Spidey and the FF got started.


LOL

[brookie]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Oct 8 2004, 07:50 PM
I thought you'd like the She Hulk cover.

And hey! It was you that told me MM was three parts. Well, it's more now - so that's good news.

we3 really made me sad too. Those poor dumb brutes.
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HURRAY!!!! thanks badly. youre right! i do love that cover!

[Darth Badly]

Would you let me know if Howard is actually inside? And what he does in the story (if anything).

[brookie]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Oct 8 2004, 07:54 PM
Would you let me know if Howard is actually inside? And what he does in the story (if anything).
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sure style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/jangofett.gif

[Justin]

The current arc in Ultimate Spider-Man is Peter Parker and Logan (wolverine) swithcing bodies. It is HILARIOUS.

And Y the Last Man is amazing, one of the best comics I've ever read.

And please please PLEASE people, buy Green Lantern: Rebirth on the 20th. I'm sure it will be good, Green Lantern is one of the coolest superheroes and I desperately want the new series to do well so it won't get cancelled.

[Darth Badly]

Page 42 of this thread has some covers for new stuff out this week.

[BobPalpatine]

Originally posted by Justin@Oct 9 2004, 01:48 AM
And Y the Last Man is amazing, one of the best comics I've ever read.

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Y the Last Man and Fables are my favorite books out at the moment. Y got a little slow for about 5 issues in the middle of its run but now the book is back on track and I'm loving it again. It was my book of the week for last week. This issue has me wanting to speed up time so I can catch the next issue.

Anyone reading Fables though? If you aren't pick up the first tpb. You won't be disappointed.

[brookie]

ditto on that , i love y the last man and fables, the third trade comes out at the end of the month(27th) and boy am i excited! when i go to the comic store, i avoid looking at the covers to avoid spoilers!

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Justin@Oct 9 2004, 08:48 AM
And please please PLEASE people, buy Green Lantern: Rebirth on the 20th. I'm sure it will be good, Green Lantern is one of the coolest superheroes and I desperately want the new series to do well so it won't get cancelled.
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Here's the cover of the first issue of REBIRTH just for you, Justn.

And don't worry, it can't get cancelled, it's a six issue mini-series.

[Darth Badly]

HA - had a lucky escape at FP today. Went in and emerged without spending any money!

P-Ray - I saw the Director's Cut of Avengers issue #500 - do you have this or know what the difference / extras are?

Justin - I read Ultimate Marvel Team Up (in the shop - shame on me). Highlights were: 1/ The look on "Wolvie's" face when Mary Jane walks in. 2/ "Just gimme the phone, lady."

Waiting on the next Avengers.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Oct 13 2004, 06:23 PM
P-Ray - I saw the Director's Cut of Avengers issue #500 - do you have this or know what the difference / extras are?

Waiting on the next Avengers.
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No! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif I didn't even know about it and I even spoke to someone at the comic store today who loves Avengers.

Mmmmeeee too! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[brookie]

im going to go sell my Loki#1 tommorow, comic book dude said it was worth 20 bucks! s**t man! ill take that, didnt like it anyway.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Oct 11 2004, 12:44 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Oct 11 2004, 12:44 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Oct 9 2004, 08:48 AM


And please please PLEASE people, buy Green Lantern: Rebirth on the 20th.* I'm sure it will be good, Green Lantern is one of the coolest superheroes and I desperately want the new series to do well so it won't get cancelled.
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Here's the cover of the first issue of REBIRTH just for you, Justn.

And don't worry, it can't get cancelled, it's a six issue mini-series.
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I know...but there is going to be an ongoing monthly series after Rebirth concludes.

[brookie]

i am reading identity crisis!! it is the BEST!!! im not a huge dc fan (as you guys know) but i picked it up on a recommendation and boy am i glad!

anyone read #5? lets discuss! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wave.gif

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by brookie@Oct 24 2004, 06:10 PM
i am reading identity crisis!! it is the BEST!!! im not a huge dc fan (as you guys know) but i picked it up on a recommendation and boy am i glad!

anyone read #5? lets discuss! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wave.gif
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The same for me Brookie. I don't read much DC anymore but on a recommendation I started reading Identity Crisis. It is fantastic! The art is really good and the story is incredible. I had a "inside scoop" that Robin's dad had a part in the story. Someone also told me that Nightwing may be responsible but I just don't know about that. Great book though. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif

[brookie]

*SPOILERS* for those who havent read identity crisis #5:

what do you think was up with the dude with the boomerang?(sp?) is his name boomerang? i forget. who do you think sent him he gun? obvioulsy it had to be someone who knew that the boomerange was comming?
you think Robins dad will survive or die?
think that one of the leagues mind sweeps didnt work on someone?


*end SPOILER*

[cj790]

Has anyone read Star Wars Republic #69?
One fo the few comics I've managed to get recently; thought it was very good - nice to see the Quinlan Vos saga coming to a tense end!

[Darth Badly]

I'm gonna get Identity Crisis when the tpb comes out so gratful for SPOILER warnings etc.

[brookie]

Originally posted by cj790@Oct 25 2004, 04:29 AM
Has anyone read Star Wars Republic #69?
One fo the few comics I've managed to get recently; thought it was very good - nice to see the Quinlan Vos saga coming to a tense end!
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yes, thats the 2 parter wih obi wan right? i am curious to see how it ends.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by cj790@Oct 25 2004, 04:29 AM
Has anyone read Star Wars Republic #69?
One fo the few comics I've managed to get recently; thought it was very good - nice to see the Quinlan Vos saga coming to a tense end!
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I have. It was real good! I like how they made Anakin a Jedi Knight.

[Justin]

Originally posted by brookie@Oct 24 2004, 08:39 PM
*SPOILERS* for those who havent read identity crisis #5:

what do you think was up with the dude with the boomerang?(sp?) is his name boomerang? i forget. who do you think sent him he gun? obvioulsy it had to be someone who knew that the boomerange was comming?
you think Robins dad will survive or die?
think that one of the leagues mind sweeps didnt work on someone?


*end SPOILER*
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*SPOILERS*

They guy is Captain Boomerang, an old Flash villain from the Silver Age. And I think he and Robin's father are both dead.

I didn't like how Robin screamed and cried. I'm sure he would have cried, there's nothing wrong with that, but he wouldn't have gone DAAAAAD!!!

It's strange reading Identity Crisis and Wargames at the same time, because Identity Crisis obvioulsy takes place some time after Wargames.

And Brookie, I don't think the JLA did any more whiping of people's minds beyond erasing Dr. Light's memory of raping Sue.

One thing about #5 that kind of confused me...it looked to me like Green Lantern got shot in the face, but he was just complaining that he couldn't see but he was ok. So were they saying there that Deadshot missed?

[brookie]

Originally posted by Justin+Oct 25 2004, 06:18 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ Oct 25 2004, 06:18 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-brookie@Oct 24 2004, 08:39 PM
*SPOILERS* for those who havent read identity crisis #5:

what do you think was up with the dude with the boomerang?(sp?) is his name boomerang? i forget. who do you think sent him he gun? obvioulsy it had to be someone who knew that the boomerange was comming?
you think Robins dad will survive or die?
think that one of* the leagues mind sweeps didnt work on someone?


*end SPOILER*
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*SPOILERS*

They guy is Captain Boomerang, an old Flash villain from the Silver Age. And I think he and Robin's father are both dead.

I didn't like how Robin screamed and cried. I'm sure he would have cried, there's nothing wrong with that, but he wouldn't have gone DAAAAAD!!!

It's strange reading Identity Crisis and Wargames at the same time, because Identity Crisis obvioulsy takes place some time after Wargames.

And Brookie, I don't think the JLA did any more whiping of people's minds beyond erasing Dr. Light's memory of raping Sue.

One thing about #5 that kind of confused me...it looked to me like Green Lantern got shot in the face, but he was just complaining that he couldn't see but he was ok. So were they saying there that Deadshot missed?
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yes, i think the JLA did do some more mind erasing , remember when green arrow told the Flash that the Sue incident wasnt the only time, he said something to the effect of " how do you think some of us keep our identities secret?" something like that.

i guess deadshot did miss style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif i don know style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Badly]

*averts eyes from I. C. spoilers *

[cj790]

Originally posted by brookie+Oct 25 2004, 09:00 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brookie @ Oct 25 2004, 09:00 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-cj790@Oct 25 2004, 04:29 AM
Has anyone read Star Wars Republic #69?
One fo the few comics I've managed to get recently; thought it was very good - nice to see the Quinlan Vos saga coming to a tense end!
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yes, thats the 2 parter wih obi wan right? i am curious to see how it ends.
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Yeah, it's Ob1 and Quinlan stuck on a drifting hulk with Skorr and Ventress chasing them. Fun!
And I love the cliffhanger ending - I have a very good feeling about this... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Badly]

ULTIMATE NIGHTMARE - The Badly view

P-Ray I think you asked a while back for my views on issues #1 & #2 of this. I read 'em last night and enjoyed them. I'm not giving much away by saying that there's a great new Ultimate Line's version of Cap's mainstream partner The Falcon introduced into the series. He works well.

Having read 2 of 6 though, I'm gonna wait for the trade paperback for the rest. Worth reading for sure, but not something that I can't wait for.

The characters featured most strongly so far are nick Fury, Cap, Black Widow, and the new Falcon. The Ultimates versions of these all are great.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Oct 26 2004, 05:49 PM
ULTIMATE NIGHTMARE - The Badly view

P-Ray I think you asked a while back for my views on issues #1 & #2 of this. I read 'em last night and enjoyed them. I'm not giving much away by saying that there's a great new Ultimate Line's version of Cap's mainstream partner The Falcon introduced into the series. He works well.

Having read 2 of 6 though, I'm gonna wait for the trade paperback for the rest. Worth reading for sure, but not something that I can't wait for.

The characters featured most strongly so far are nick Fury, Cap, Black Widow, and the new Falcon. The Ultimates versions of these all are great.
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Thanx Badly!

I sure had to wait long enough style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif Just teasin'

I might go and get it because the Ultimates are the only ultimate series comic I get any more. Someone else told me that nothing has really happened in the 2 issues.

I know the second wave of the Ultimates is starting up soon too. Very good series, IMO.

[Darth Badly]

Just for you, Justin. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif


GREEN LANTERN: REBIRTH BACK TO PRESS

With the first issue of the mini-series Green Lantern: Rebirth sold out at DC Comics days before its in store date of Oct. 27, the publisher has rushed the issue back to press.

Written by Geoff Johns with art and cover by Ethan Van Sciver, Green Lantern: Rebirth #1 Second Printing is scheduled to arrive in stores on Nov. 17 with a new cover by Van Sciver.

"I couldn't be more proud of the work we've all done on Hal Jordan's return," Johns said. "Ethan Van Sciver is about to be the artist everyone is talking about. Thanks to everyone at DC and the retailers for their support!"

Green Lantern: Rebirth #1 Second Printing will cost $2.95. The second issue of the mini-series will be in stores on Nov. 24.

[Darth Badly]

P-Ray.

The first two issues of Ultimate Nightmare have been slow plotwise, but plenty of nice character stuff. Reads like a spin off of The Ultimates really.

The second vol starts in December, here's the cover of the first issue...

[brookie]

I Like ultimate nightmare well enough, i just think i should have waited for the TPB, cause, like badly said, it is slow.

[P-Ray]

I have a couple questions.

I really don't collect an DC except Superman and Batman however I am really enjoying Identity Crisis a lot. Is there a good DC book out there to collect that you just can't wait to read each month. One of the several reasons why I like IC so much is because I like seeing all the different and various characters together.

Also, does anyone read the outsiders (with Nightwing) in it and is it any good?

I'm looking for an awesome DC comic that I could really look forward to read each month (like the Avengers right now).

[Justin]

Superman/Batman. It's one of the best comics I'm reading right now, and it just can't come out fast enough. You can get part one in a collected edition right now about how Batman and Superman take down President Luthor.

Plus, the new Green Lantern series comes out tomorrow, try that.

And then there's always JLA.

[Darth Badly]

Grant Morrison has a new JLA story about to come out in a new JLA monthly.

[brookie]

Originally posted by Justin@Oct 26 2004, 09:55 PM
Superman/Batman. It's one of the best comics I'm reading right now, and it just can't come out fast enough. You can get part one in a collected edition right now about how Batman and Superman take down President Luthor.

Plus, the new Green Lantern series comes out tomorrow, try that.

And then there's always JLA.
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ohhh i think i shall..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Justin]

I just read Green Lantern: Rebirth #1, and it's shaping up to be pretty cool. The first part seems to be mostly a set up, where a bunch of questions are being raised.

I also read part of the new Star Wars Tales, it wasn't that great. The cover is pretty crappy, hopefully it won't be the standard look for the title in the future.

[brookie]

Originally posted by Justin@Oct 27 2004, 10:09 PM
I just read Green Lantern: Rebirth #1, and it's shaping up to be pretty cool. The first part seems to be mostly a set up, where a bunch of questions are being raised.

I also read part of the new Star Wars Tales, it wasn't that great. The cover is pretty crappy, hopefully it won't be the standard look for the title in the future.
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which cover did you get of Tales? and i disagree, i thought the tales were great esp, the second story.

heres what i got today,

Fables the 3rd TPB

FLASH- the one with the identity crisis tie in

the new Star wars REPUBLIC

Green lantern- rebirth

black widow-#2 ( i really like this one)

WE 3- #2

ultimate Elektra- #3

Elektra the HAND- #3

[Justin]

I only read one of the stories so far in Star Wars Tales 21, and I thought it was a little cheesy. The cover is of Moff Jerjerrod and some star destroyers. It looks like a news magazine.

Anyway, I too got Ultimate Elektra #3 and I read part of it, still haven't finished it. I liked the first two issues, it's a pretty good series so far. Is it a miniseries or an ongoing title?

[Sabrina Fried]

I picked up the new issues of Republic and Hellblazer yesternight, and I'll be getting the new issue of Usagi Yojimbo over the weekend.

Really liked Hellblazer, but I thought that Repblic was a bit well, off, compared to the really good stories we've been getting in recent months.

Sabrina

[cj790]

Can you keep me informed on what's happening in Hellblazer please!
I haven't been able to get any comics since the beginning of the summer, and Hellblazer was one of my favourites style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[brookie]

Originally posted by Sabrina Fried@Oct 28 2004, 07:51 AM
I picked up the new issues of Republic and Hellblazer yesternight, and I'll be getting the new issue of Usagi Yojimbo over the weekend.

Really liked Hellblazer, but I thought that Repblic was a bit well, off, compared to the really good stories we've been getting in recent months.

Sabrina
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i agree i thought #69 (republic) was quite good, but this issue really dissapointed me.

[brookie]

Originally posted by Justin@Oct 28 2004, 01:11 AM
I only read one of the stories so far in Star Wars Tales 21, and I thought it was a little cheesy. The cover is of Moff Jerjerrod and some star destroyers. It looks like a news magazine.

Anyway, I too got Ultimate Elektra #3 and I read part of it, still haven't finished it. I liked the first two issues, it's a pretty good series so far. Is it a miniseries or an ongoing title?
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oh you got the bad cover, they always come out with two covers, one with the art(the best one) and a live action one, sometimes, the store runs out of he the art one so youre forced to get the live action. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

i dont know if Ultimate Elektra is a mini series or not.

[Darth Badly]

I returned from FP today with we3 issue #2 by Grant Morrison. Looking forward to it.

[brookie]

so i dont think that i will continue to collect the Ultimate Elektra its reeeeeeaaaaallllllllyyyyyyy ssssssslllllloooooowwwwwww.
perhaps ill pick it up a few issues down the road.


the 4th TPB of Fables is sooo great! i NEEDS the next one!!!!!!!! Im joansin! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/chortle.gif

and WE3 IS AWSOME, i wonder how it will end, it touches my heart style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[Sabrina Fried]

Originally posted by cj790@Oct 28 2004, 10:47 AM
Can you keep me informed on what's happening in Hellblazer please!
I haven't been able to get any comics since the beginning of the summer, and Hellblazer was one of my favourites style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
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Um, Ill have to type something up for you...give me a few hrs to go over the last arc at home.

But if you can, pick up issue #200, its the first issue in about 5 years that really icked me out!

Sabrina

[Darth Badly]

we3 #2 was great. Read it last night - I'll probably buy the tpb when it appears as well.


Two big issues appearing this week.

AVENGERS # 304 - which completes the Avengers Dissassembled storyline and promises some surprises.

And the last part (part #6) of the first Astonishing X-Men storyline. We've had the cover to Avengers #304 before, but here the X-Men cover.

[Justin]

Did that come out on the 27th? Because it wasn't at my comic shop.

[Darth Badly]

No, Justin, those two are out this coming week - 3rd November. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[brookie]

www.diamondcomics.com

this is where i go to see what is shipping every week.

[Sabrina Fried]

Apparently we're getting a SW comic for the third week in a row!

I think this is a record for DHC.

Sabrina

[P-Ray]

I read the newest SUPERMAN (with Jim Lee). It still sucks,IMO. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif Great art. Hopefully the story will be picking up next month with Wonder Woman.

[Darth Badly]

I'm looking forward to the last part of Avengers Disassembled this week. I'm hoping it'll pick up and make the rest of it worthwhile.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 2 2004, 05:15 PM
I'm looking forward to the last part of Avengers Disassembled this week. I'm hoping it'll pick up and make the rest of it worthwhile.
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I'm a little worried because a friend of mine (who manages a comic store) said he already read it and was a little disappointed. I guess he was saying it was anti-climactic.

I hope not! I'm still looking forward to it. He also told me that Daredevil is in the New Avengers. I did not know that.

Again, I would like to know what you think of it after you read it Badly. PLLLLLEEEAAASSSEEE! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Badly]

I don't think DD is in the New Avengers actually. (I could be wrong.)

I read the last issue of Daredevil BTW (the 40th ann special) and really enjoyed it.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 2 2004, 08:33 PM
I don't think DD is in the New Avengers actually. (I could be wrong.)

I read the last issue of Daredevil BTW (the 40th ann special) and really enjoyed it.
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Hey Badly! I asked again today(several people) who confirmed that the New Avengers are IronMan, Capt. America, Spiderman, Wolverine, Spider woman, Luke Cage, Daredevil and Century.

[P-Ray]

BTW, has anyone mentioned GL:Rebirth yet?

I thought that it was really good. Great art. It really has good potential.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Nov 3 2004, 09:48 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Nov 3 2004, 09:48 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Darth Badly@Nov 2 2004, 08:33 PM
I don't think DD is in the New Avengers actually.* (I could be wrong.)

I read the last issue of Daredevil BTW (the 40th ann special) and really enjoyed it.
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Hey Badly! I asked again today(several people) who confirmed that the New Avengers are IronMan, Capt. America, Spiderman, Wolverine, Spider woman, Luke Cage, Daredevil and Century.
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[/b][/quote]

Most of that list is right, but it's Sentry, not Century.

I haven't heard that old DD was in the team. Maybe he's a late addition?

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Nov 3 2004, 09:50 PM
BTW, has anyone mentioned GL:Rebirth yet?

I thought that it was really good. Great art. It really has good potential.
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Yeah, Justin what did you think??

Can you post a review & summary?

DB

[Darth Badly]

Read the first three issues of MILKMAN MURDERS yesterday - loved it. Really well written. Steve Parkhouse's art is perfect for the story.

I recommend it highly - as I know Brookie did too.

[brookie]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 4 2004, 08:17 AM
Read the first three issues of MILKMAN MURDERS yesterday - loved it. Really well written. Steve Parkhouse's art is perfect for the story.

I recommend it highly - as I know Brookie did too.
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yes badly, except the 4th one, i dont know why they made a 4th issue! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Darth Badly]

I haven't got issue #4 yet.

Brookie - am I right in thinking that that weird Milkman just turned up out of the blue at the end of issue #1 or am I missing something?

[brookie]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 4 2004, 02:08 PM
I haven't got issue #4 yet.

Brookie - am I right in thinking that that weird Milkman just turned up out of the blue at the end of issue #1 or am I missing something?
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yes youre right, he raped her. he is the one that changed everything.

have you goten issue 4? as you know i dont like it , but it explains a lot, the milkman makes another apperance.

[Darth Badly]

No, I don't have issue #4 yet.

Will buy ASAP.

[Justin]

I thought Green Lantern: Rebirth #1 was a cool set up for the rest of the story. Big things are obviously in the works.

It's hard to make a recap of what happened because so much was going on in that issue. And not in the way that most comics go where it's "they go to the secret base and fight."

It was mostly character-driven stuff, some interesting things with the Justice League. Hal Jordan is struggling against the Spirit of Vengeance half of the Spectre to keep his identity. Parallax, Hal's "evil" alter-ego looks like he will be returning.

It was great, the beginnings of a complex story. There was so much happening in the first issue, which is rare nowadays it seems. I can't wait for issue #2.

I really recommend you guys pick it up, at least to try it out.

[Darth Badly]

Justin - I general terms - is Rebirth a rewriting of history like someone goes back in time to change things, but a continuation of all that has gone before? Any clues (yet) about how they are going to make Hal a hero again?

[brookie]

Originally posted by Justin@Nov 5 2004, 12:57 AM
I thought Green Lantern: Rebirth #1 was a cool set up for the rest of the story. Big things are obviously in the works.

It's hard to make a recap of what happened because so much was going on in that issue. And not in the way that most comics go where it's "they go to the secret base and fight."

It was mostly character-driven stuff, some interesting things with the Justice League. Hal Jordan is struggling against the Spirit of Vengeance half of the Spectre to keep his identity. Parallax, Hal's "evil" alter-ego looks like he will be returning.

It was great, the beginnings of a complex story. There was so much happening in the first issue, which is rare nowadays it seems. I can't wait for issue #2.

I really recommend you guys pick it up, at least to try it out.
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i read it, but i confess, i didnt understand vary much of it, how many green lanterns were there? i know hal was the first and best!?

[Justin]

There were 3, 600 Green Lanterns at one time, because there are 3,600 sectors of space. There were only something like 12 Green Lanterns when the Corps was destroyed ten years ago, because it had been disbanded and Hal had been rebuilding it.

Hal wasn't the first Green Lantern of Earth, there was another guy named Alan Scott from the Golden Age. He's the guy who says he's thirsty and talks to the green chick (who is his daughter).

The Green Lanterns from Earth who appear in Rebirth #1, are John Stewart, who is in the Justice League now; Guy Gardner, a former Green Lantern, who "explodes" and is taken to JLA headquarters; Kyle Rayner, who has been the main GL for the past ten years, was the guy in the spaceship in the beginning; and Alan Scott appears briefly with the JSA.

But you're right that Hal's the best, lol.

[Darth Badly]

Why were the Lanterns disbanded - from 3600 members?

[P-Ray]

My son and I are regular viewers of Teen Titans. A friend told me about the comics so I picked up the first 2 trades.

Does anyone here collect Teen Titans? If so, why do you like them?

[Darth Badly]

I read Teen Titans for a few yeras when it first started in (???) 1985 or so. Not read it for ages.

Hey p-Ray did you get Avengers #304 yet? I don't have it yet.

[Darth Badly]

NEWS OF GRANT MORRISON SPRING 2005 DC PROJECT


Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers epic will stretch out over 30 comics.

"Only Grant Morrison could pull off something like this," DC Comics' Dan DiDio said during the DC Universe Saturday at Wizard World Texas.

The event begins in February with Seven Soldiers #0, with art by J.H. Williams. The special leads into seven four-part mini-series and a second stand-alone special.

Featuring Zatanna, Mr. Miracle, the Guardian and others, Seven Soldiers focuses on seven people with unusual talents and powers who hold the keys to the world's survival.

Artists will include Ryan Sook, Pascual Ferry, Doug Mahnke, Yannick Paquette and Cameron Stewart.

[Darth Badly]

Hey P-Ray - Heads up as well as Avengers #304 (the one with Cap kneeling on the ground on the cover) which was out last week - this week there's another (numberless) Avengers out which is the Epilogue to the final story and indeed the last 500 issues.

Here's the cover...

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 7 2004, 07:40 PM
Hey p-Ray did you get Avengers #304 yet? I don't have it yet.
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Yes, I already read #304 and I'm really curious as to what you think. Do you know who's behind it all yet?

That Avengers Finale comes out next week already. I already looked at it. It has several different artists in it.


I still can't positively confirm Daredevil for the Avengers yet.

[Darth Badly]

No, I don't have #304 yet.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 7 2004, 07:51 PM
Why were the Lanterns disbanded - from 3600 members?
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Well I don't know about why originally, it was some big huge event where most of them were wiped out and the Corps had to start from scratch, with Hal leading it.

As for the second time they got rid of the Corps, it was all a big marketing thing. They wanted to make Green Lantern fit the superhero paradigm, where he was the only one with his powers, and therefore unique.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 7 2004, 10:24 PM
No, I don't have #304 yet.
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I thought that you may have already heard. I'm still not really sure of what to think of it.

[Darth Badly]

P-Ray - no I am staying spoiler free (I hope) I plan to buy it in the next couple of days.

[Darth Badly]

P-Ray - just read Avengers #303 a few minutes ago. No, I'm not quite sure what to make of it either. Not great storytelling - the while issue was a massive speech by Dr Strange. The Avenegrs do naff all. The final big fight scene doesn't really make sense (beyond the obvious.)

And most importantly - what is it the end of the Avengers? Now the villain is out in the open (and beaten) they could simply rebuild as they have many time in the past.

I'm dissappointed in the story as a whole. Too many explosions in the first part, not enough plot or story in any of the issues, the Avenegrs act like a bunch of dullards and need to have Dr Strange spell (haha) everything out for them.

And is Hawkeye dead? (I hope not) Were those real alien ships or an illusion of some kind? (Even if that illusion did have physical form.)

More thoughts anon (More thoughts such as how did everyone not expect you-know-who to find out about the kids if everyone else knew about them - including presumably the world's press etc. Wouldn't someone have mentioned them to you-know-who like ages and ages ago).

DB

DB