Star Wars TV News and Rumors

[Morridini]

Interview with Rick McCallum from Celebration IV: http://starwarsblog.wordpress.com/2007/07/14/rick-mccallum-talks-live-action-tv-series-and-star-wars-3-d/

Most important stuff about the live-action show was:

They are currently roaming Earth to find writers, and hope to have some ready by September-December this year.
Each episode will be like a Star wars movie with just as good special effects and production costs.
The show will revolve more around the characters, be a lot darker, and they hope to get around 400 episodes.
They will most likely start the casting in June 2008
They have already had a team of conceptional artists working on the show for seven months.

[empire21]

400 episodes?!?

They sure are confident in themselves.

[Miasmo]

That doesn't seem right at all.


EDIT: I think it's just kind of stupid to make such speculations right now.

[Morridini]

It does seem over the top indeed.
If we assume that one season has 24 episodes that would be more then 16 and a half seasons, one season a year would mean a show that will last 16 years.

[Master Magnus]

400 episodes, uh?

It does seem over the top indeed.
If we assume that one season has 24 episodes that would be more then 16 and a half seasons, one season a year would mean a show that will last 16 years.
Well, McCallum did say that they're multiple series and that some will run simultaneously.

[Miasmo]

Right, it's positive thinking, but it almost sounds boastful or conceited. Then again, I've never liked Rick. Maybe I'm letting that cloud my thoughts.

[Kapit]

400 episodes? That is very, very wishful thinking.

I don't think anyone should go into production thinking "hey, we can do 400 episodes!"

Hell, The Simpsons just passed that mark, and did anyone really think it would be around this long? Somehow I doubt it!

[Miasmo]

Well like he said, multiple series. Probably like DS9 branching off of TNG for Star Trek. So it's a collective 400. But even multiple series is wishful thinking before you even know if fans will like what you've done with the premier.

It just sounds like they're trying to create unnecessary hype.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Well, when I heard the news at CE, I was totally blown away and I am nothing but excited! :happydance:

Currently we have 13 hours of live SW action, within a few years that could be 300! :w00t: I don't think they would come out with such a figure if they were not sure they could do it. As far as I can see there is very little risk, thousands of fans went to the recent 2 conventions, people will buy them on DVD, everyone will want to advertise during the breaks in the show - and more importantly the fans should get what they want - lots of SW! I say bring it on!

[Miasmo]

I don't want lots of Star Wars. I want Star Wars that looks like people have carefully crafted and poured their hearts and souls into it.

And I still want it to feel like Star Wars. Big numbers mean nothing to me.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Oh, I agree totally. But I don't see any reason why a great tv show cannot be made and run for ages with perhaps 4 - 6 major storylines and many subplots within this. It's not like money is an object! I have a good feeling about this. Trust me. :)

[Morridini]

Most people dislike fillers for some reason and when they set themselves up for this many episodes there would surely be a lot of fillers aside from the main plot, but I would actually like to see fillers from the Star Wars universe, there are hundreds of possibilities for fascinating fillers.

[cj790]

I'm worried about this figure too - even assuming they create 3 different time arcs (before during and after the movies, say), then that leaves each arc to have 133 episodes (with a .336 remainder ;) ) - roughly comparable to running ST: TNG, DS9 and Voy all together, and look what happened to the quality of that franchise...
I can't see there being the interest to hold 3 different shows simultaneously; hopefully they'll concentrate on making one quality show, and focus on making it a success rather than making lofty goals too early on.

[Morridini]

Well if they had made the shows very different it could work, a Star Wars series set in KotOR era would be pretty different then a Empire era series. Maybe even let us only follow Imps in one show could be interesting instead of all the Jedi and Force usage we have seen.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

*JMH bans himself from this thread as I'm really excited about it and don't want to consider the thought that it won't just be the greatest thing ever!* :lol:

[RollaFett]

Just remember, there were originally supposed to be 12 friggin' movies as well.

[luke]

I believe in a Star Wars insider magazine that I bought a while back it said something about following the X-wing fighters from the rebellion in this TV series. although i'm not sure of this so I will confirm once I have found the magazine and re-read the article

[cj790]

*JMH bans himself from this thread as I'm really excited about it and don't want to consider the thought that it won't just be the greatest thing ever!* :lol:

:lol:

I'm with you on this, but I'm just hesitant to believe I guess - I got burned by the PT, and I don't want to feel that again... :wink:

[luke]

YA! found the magazine article heres part of it confirmation of what i said (I was kinda half-right) and it says they are making 2 shows. heres the article.

"The upcoming animated series will take place during the clone wars and will further chronicle the exploits and friendship of Jedi heros Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker while depicting epic battles set against a crumbling Republic. However, it will be a radical departure from Genndy Tartakovsky's animated Clone Wars mini-series which came out between Episodes II and III. For starters, episodes will be much longer in length and deeper in narrative depth. According to Steve Sansweet, Director of Fan Relations at Lucasfilm, during his Star Wars presentation at San Diego Comic Con, each episode will essentially be a short animated film. In addition the series will eschew the stylized look of the Tartakovsky series for a sleek, three-dimensional look. 'It's that same time period,' Lucas said of the upcoming series. 'But it's quite a bit more sophisticated, and it's not like anything you've ever seen on television before. The animated series is scheduled to come out in 2008. 'We've got a number of episodes finished now,' Lucas added. 'It looks really good. It's a lot of fun.'

Next Year Lucas will begin work on a live action Star Wars TV series that will bridge the gap between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope during what Obi-Wan Kenobi called the 'dark times' with the Empire exerting its dominance over the galaxy. George Lucas is closly supervising the show and will oversee and entire season of scripts before going into production. The series will shy away from the saga of the skywalker family and instead focus on minor characters, such as Rebel and Imperial pilots. The series offers Limitless potential for stories that explore the galaxy far, far away that cover long periods of time, and that won't burdened with continuity limits. 'None of the Sktwalker story, none of that stuff is in there,' Lucas explained 'It's completely different. The animated series has got all the characters in it. The one that comes after, the live-action one, is with people who were in star wars but they're not the main characters.'"

Hope that clears up everything! ... if anyone wants to read the whole thing.

[Morridini]

It doesn't clear anything up, we have known about the Clone wars series for quite some time and it isn't considered the second series because we are talking about multiple live-action series.

Here's the thread for the CW series: http://www.galacticsenate.com/showthread.php?t=9033

[lovelucas]

Miasmo says:


I don't want lots of Star Wars. I want Star Wars that looks like people have carefully crafted and poured their hearts and souls into it.

Then why don't you like Rick? I think he did just that since 1997.

[Miasmo]

You should have quoted the other part to my post. "And I still want it to feel like Star Wars."

Maybe it's a matter of Rick wanting one thing, and Lucas saying, "No no no, this can't happen without a Jabba's Palace dance number."

And I'm sure there's a lot of footage of Rick at work that I haven't seen, but from what I have, he just seems out of place. It's probably mostly his personality.

[Master Magnus]

Speculative, but are Disney and Fox in talks with Lucasfilm (http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2007/08/17/are-george-lucas-and-the-walt-disney-company-getting-ready-to-expand-their-rebel-alliance.aspx) about the new live-action series?

[cj790]

I hope not.

[P-Ray]

Lucas interview!

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=37518

[Zedekk]

I'm gonna take a left turn on 10th street and LIVE there.

[Master Magnus]

You're taking an awful risk, Lucas. This had better work. :P

[Morridini]

Whast are you refering to MM?

[Master Magnus]

Whast are you refering to MM?
The risk Lucas is taking. He hasn't got the backing of a network and if LFL strikes a deal with a network with 60+ episodes already finished or nearing completion and the series gets poor ratings, then it's very likely that other networks will become very hesitant to pick it up. It's true what he says in the interview, that he could end up stuck with a "library product".

[Miasmo]

I doubt either show will get poor ratings. Less then stellar? Possibly. Less than great? Could be. Poor? Never. This is still Star Wars.

[P-Ray]

Yeah but people absolutely love Indiana ones as well but how long did the The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles last? 2 or 3 seasons?

[Miasmo]

People do love Indy, but I think SW has a more dedicated fan base.

[Zedekk]

the fact is they have Star Wars Conventions not Indy ones...

[Morridini]

And lots of people have just never bothered watching Young Indiana Jones because they hate the concept. Never even giving it a chance. Myself included, I find the notion of Indy running around on adventures as a kid so stupid so I have not bothered watching a single episode.

However I doubt anything like this will happen with the Star Wars shows.

[Zedekk]

And lots of people have just never bothered watching Young Indiana Jones because they hate the concept. Never even giving it a chance. Myself included, I find the notion of Indy running around on adventures as a kid so stupid so I have not bothered watching a single episode.

However I doubt anything like this will happen with the Star Wars shows.
Ditto I did the same with the young Indy show. Same reasons.

[P-Ray]

I'm just sayin!

I love Star Wars just as much as anyone but I don't think it is guaranteed.

I doubt it, but people may just not connect with it. You never know.

[empire21]

I love Star Wars just as much as anyone but I don't think it is guaranteed.

I doubt it, but people may just not connect with it. You never know.

I agree.

As much as I love SW, going on TV is an entirely different medium with a different budget per episode, the possibility of it not working is very strong.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

I'd like to think that they would learn from the 'mistakes' of the prequels, I'm pretty hopeful that it will work really well. *crosses fingers*

[RollaFett]

I, for one, cannot wait for this to air.
I have no doubts that some network will pick it up. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see a bidding war for it.

[P-Ray]

I, for one, cannot wait for this to air.
I have no doubts that some network will pick it up. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see a bidding war for it.
Trust me...I can't wait either!

I'm also really looking forward to The Clone Wars!

[Master Magnus]

Yep, make no mistake, I'm hyped for both the Clone Wars and the live-action series.

[Kapit]

I agree.

As much as I love SW, going on TV is an entirely different medium with a different budget per episode, the possibility of it not working is very strong.

Just cause the budget is smaller doesn't mean a thing. Look at shows like House and BSG and Firefly: TV nowadays is becoming a lot more cinematic, and I think Lucas can make it work on a small budget, especially considering so much of it will be done in-house.

As to the Clone Wars series, I wouldn't be surprised if that hit FOX Sunday nights, with all the other animated shows :lol:

[DarthSolo]

I think, though really hope not, that either one of these shows could tank. First, there is probably a large portion of the Star Wars fan base that is opposed to the franchise in television format, even if the production concept is nothing like Young Indy was. Second, though the Prequels made a lot of money, they didn't necessarily put the Star Wars franchise in the good graces of the general population. I think people are a little more negative towards Star Wars than they were in the 80s and 90s. Not that I was there or anything, but that's just the feeling I get. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like being a fan of SW has been more and more pushed into the "weird geek" category than the "everyone's a fan" category, like Harry Potter seems to be. Am I inaccurate in my observations? (I honestly could be, I rarely claim to be in the mainstream currents of society.) So, I somehow don't see a whole bunch of casual "fans" or "regular" people from the general population watching these shows week in and week out. Science Fiction isn't really on the upswing, at this point. We all saw how fast Firefly tanked. Of course, SW isn't really SF, and Fantasy does have a bit more of an appeal right now, so you never know. Third, how many people are going to look for pirated copies of these shows on the internet? I, for one, might, though I'd still buy the DVDs when they came out. I don't have the time or schedule usually to set aside a time slot for TV. And I sure as hell am not going to pay an online fee to get this stuff legitimately. So, how will they make money off of people like that? And that is what a lot of "geeks" do, I think. So, I think it's possible these shows don't do as well as they could. I really hope that's not the case, though!

[empire21]

Just cause the budget is smaller doesn't mean a thing. Look at shows like House and BSG and Firefly: TV nowadays is becoming a lot more cinematic, and I think Lucas can make it work on a small budget, especially considering so much of it will be done in-house.

I understand that, but it may be noticeable with the CGI, we're use to a certain standard for CGI in SW, if they cut that too much in the live action series, it may hurt the show. Just sayin'.

As to the Clone Wars series, I wouldn't be surprised if that hit FOX Sunday nights, with all the other animated shows :lol:

That would be great! The Simpsons and Star Wars in one night every week, I would be the most content man alive. :)

[Zedekk]

Well here is the danger with making the Clone Wars and the live action series, we already know what's going to happen to the main characters everyone is already interested in. And some might say who cares about the "in between time" so it really put the success of the show on the character development of not so well known or well loved characters. which could be bad for Lucas if he believes he can write it himself, again. which I know he's not doing, so there is still hope.

[lovelucas]

I find the notion of Indy running around on adventures as a kid so stupid so I have not bothered watching a single episode.

You guys missed a great and unique concept....the curious child that is Indy interacting with real historical figures and in the process we all learned something ..... a whole lot of something. It was very, very entertaining, had fantastic production values, extremely well-researched and was shot on location around the world. I can't wait until next month when the first batch of stories are released on DVD.

and do a little research to discover the stellar directors/writers who all signed on.

[RollaFett]

I think, though really hope not, that either one of these shows could tank. First, there is probably a large portion of the Star Wars fan base that is opposed to the franchise in television format, even if the production concept is nothing like Young Indy was. Second, though the Prequels made a lot of money, they didn't necessarily put the Star Wars franchise in the good graces of the general population. I think people are a little more negative towards Star Wars than they were in the 80s and 90s. Not that I was there or anything, but that's just the feeling I get. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like being a fan of SW has been more and more pushed into the "weird geek" category than the "everyone's a fan" category, like Harry Potter seems to be. Am I inaccurate in my observations? (I honestly could be, I rarely claim to be in the mainstream currents of society.) So, I somehow don't see a whole bunch of casual "fans" or "regular" people from the general population watching these shows week in and week out. Science Fiction isn't really on the upswing, at this point. We all saw how fast Firefly tanked. Of course, SW isn't really SF, and Fantasy does have a bit more of an appeal right now, so you never know. Third, how many people are going to look for pirated copies of these shows on the internet? I, for one, might, though I'd still buy the DVDs when they came out. I don't have the time or schedule usually to set aside a time slot for TV. And I sure as hell am not going to pay an online fee to get this stuff legitimately. So, how will they make money off of people like that? And that is what a lot of "geeks" do, I think. So, I think it's possible these shows don't do as well as they could. I really hope that's not the case, though!


I can't really argue against most of your points.
Since TPM, I think that SW has suffered a bit of a public backlash. There was so much negative criticism of most of the PT and a lot of people may simply be sick of anything SW at this point.
That said, with the success of "Battlestar Gallatica", "Heroes", and other niche "fantasy" type shows, I also believe that there could be enough of a fanbase, aside from regular SW fans, who would be very interested in the shows.
As far as some die-hard SW fans who may not be accepting of the saga on the small screen, well...I could see that. But they have to put it in perspective. It's not as if Lucas plans to retell the film's storyline in a TV format.

[Coyote850]

I don't know. I guess being a member of the 501st I see things from a differant perspective than some of you guys. When we attend an event I see alot of people that really enjoy Star Wars. The Prequels while not as popular as the OT has revived Star Wars and there are now alot of new and younger fans out there. I see many young people in the 7-17 age bracket that are serious SW fans, just as alot of us were back soon after the OT came out. What it comes down to is if Geogre writes a good story, if he does that it will be more than successful.

[P-Ray]

I don't know. I guess being a member of the 501st I see things from a differant perspective than some of you guys. When we attend an event I see alot of people that really enjoy Star Wars. The Prequels while not as popular as the OT has revived Star Wars and there are now alot of new and younger fans out there. I see many young people in the 7-17 age bracket that are serious SW fans, just as alot of us were back soon after the OT came out. What it comes down to is if Geogre writes a good story, if he does that it will be more than successful.
I agree and I think (and hope) you are right!:wink:

[TuskenRaider1]

Link to a EW news story on the show!

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/10/star-wars-the-s.html

[RollaFett]

Yeah, yeah, yeah...wake me when something has actually been filmed, ok?

And that's not directed at you, TuskenRaider. Just frustrated that this has been such a slooowwww process. Y'know, maybe it's not been slow. Maybe the SW withdraw sucks just that much, and having nothing new since ROTS...well, sucks.

[cj790]

Personally, I'd like to see a show not set between eps 3/4 - we know (thematically) about the period, and I think that SW needs a new direction after the negative associations of the prequels that so many people have. Besides, do we really want a 'Young Adventures of Luke' series? Or a 'Vader gets a little bit darker with each episode' series?
Not me.
A series focusing on the Jedi fleeing the purge might work, but I still think a change might be better still.


If the series ever gets made ;)

[Morridini]

I would love to see a show built up like the Imperial issues of Empire, where you follow Stormtrooper Joe and Imperial Officer Joe. A new side of the entire conflict.

[RollaFett]

Well, wasn't that supposed to be where this series was headed? Wasn't it supposed to focus on fringe characters and the like?

[Kapit]

yes, but from what's been advertised it seems to be pointing toward Boba Fett

[Zedekk]

they could have the fringe characters and have Boba be the thread that weaves em all together, but that just sounds lame as I wrote it out somehow...

[Master Magnus]

McCallum has indicated that there will be several plots, so one thing doesn't exclude the other. We just have to wait and see what happens.

Oh, and according to Entertainment Weekly, George Lucas is set to meet writers this week who will then start writing the first thirteen episodes of the series:
Article at EW (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/10/star-wars-the-s.html?xid=rss-cnn-todayslatest-20071012)

However, as one commenter to the article noted, there are a few things which doesn't jive with George Lucas's own words in the TV Guide interview (http://www.tvguide.com/news/lucas-wars-TV/070920-01) (such as the setting of the series).

[Brian]

McCallum has indicated that there will be several plots, so one thing doesn't exclude the other. We just have to wait and see what happens.

Oh, and according to Entertainment Weekly, George Lucas is set to meet writers this week who will then start writing the first thirteen episodes of the series:
Article at EW (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/10/star-wars-the-s.html?xid=rss-cnn-todayslatest-20071012)

However, as one commenter to the article noted, there are a few things which doesn't jive with George Lucas's own words in the TV Guide interview (http://www.tvguide.com/news/lucas-wars-TV/070920-01) (such as the setting of the series).
Lucas contradict himself? No!

[flo fett]

yes, but from what's been advertised it seems to be pointing toward Boba Fett

It bloody better not be! I love Boba, and I'd like to see the odd episode with him in it but really...I don't need any more mystery ripped away from him. Leave him some dignity george! Please!!!

they could have the fringe characters and have Boba be the thread that weaves em all together, but that just sounds lame as I wrote it out somehow...
:lol:

[Kapit]

Hello, amazingly juicy Live Action rumors!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34451

[Master Magnus]

Hello, amazingly juicy Live Action rumors!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34451
Hmm... Quite difficult to assess. Extremely exciting nonetheless!

[DarthSolo]

Hello, amazingly juicy Live Action rumors!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34451
That was some high quality rumorage!

[flo fett]

Oooh
*loves rumours*

[Darth Darthy]

Let the spoiler games begin! Not sure how well the whole thing will work without John Williams. Nothing like the cheap midi music that seems to feature in all television. Well, apart from the BBC, they have their own orchestra. And might I be the first in this thread to point out what ****s the AICN 'talkbackers' are.

[Kapit]

AICN talkbackers are very jaded and annoying people.

I used to read them to see what people think, but it's all so negative and stupid that it's not even worth it

[Darth Octavious]

It can be worse. How about FOXNEWS.com finally reporting on something we knew about for a long time. That Lucas is coming out with a Star Wars Live Action "TV Show". (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302517,00.html)

[Morridini]

Great "news" Fox...

[empire21]

It can be worse. How about FOXNEWS.com finally reporting on something we knew about for a long time. That Lucas is coming out with a Star Wars Live Action "TV Show". (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302517,00.html)

No freaking way! :P

[Master Magnus]

Apparently, Rick McCallum visited France this week and talked about among other things the live-action television series. One problem though: Does anyone here speak French? (http://www.starwars-universe.com/fiche_actu2.php?ac_id=6264) :nahnah:

[Jedi Master Harrison]

I can't understand every word, so apologies for any errors (no flaming me if I lead you astray by my misunderstanding of tense or vocabulary!), it's been 10 years since I used French but the gist of it is:

Animated series:

- the trailer was shown on a big screen Saturday & Sunday.
- series to start Autumn 2008
- 1st series will consist of 21 episodes
- the series will be shown at the same time in many countries

Live action series
- it will be between episodes 3 & 4
- He said the words Boba Fett which is taken to be confirmation that he will be the central character in the series
- (I think) that 6 different series scripts are being worked on. 100 episodes is the first target, 400 is their dream.
-no EU characters will be involved other than Boba Fett
- it is hoped that Daniel Logan will play Fett
- He hopes that John Williams will compose the music for the series but he is still in discussions with him
- each episode will have an original musical score so it will be like a new film every week

Not much that we didn't know I guess, unless of course my translating has missed something important!

[Master Magnus]

^No worries, JMH, although I do believe that the info regarding the trailer, the date (Autumn 2008) and the number of episodes of the 1st season relates to Clone Wars 2008.

[Zedekk]

No other EU characters? That seems shortsighted in a way IMO.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

^No worries, JMH, although I do believe that the info regarding the trailer, the date (Autumn 2008) and the number of episodes of the 1st season relates to Clone Wars 2008.

Just re-read it, yeah, I missed the obvious bit! :lol: :ohwell:

No other EU characters? That seems shortsighted in a way IMO.

I think that they don't want to 'tarnish' any characters that are already known. However, IMO, it would be cool to have at least some references or brief appearances of characters we are already aware of.

[flo fett]

I think that they don't want to 'tarnish' any characters that are already known. However, IMO, it would be cool to have at least some references or brief appearances of characters we are already aware of.

yeah they only want to tarnish Boba :glare:

[Zedekk]

yeah they only want to tarnish Boba
:lol: ...:blink: I mean :( and :mad:

I liked having less info about that guy than more. If Boba is the focuse will they call it the adventures of Young Boba Fett?

[Jedi Master Harrison]

He's a clone Flo, deal with it! :nahnah: :lol: Actually, I think that this could be the opportunity to really do some interesting stuff with his character (bear in mind I haven't got round to reading the EU stuff about him yet), I'm very hopeful. It may ruin his mystery, but I for one always prefer to know too much about characters than not enough.

[Zedekk]

way off topic, but look at Yoda. what we know: He's a great Jedi Master; trained Jedi for 800; years dies around 900 years old; went into exile to live on Dagobah after failing to kill the Emperor; trained the new hope; and is short and green with pointy ears.

What we don't know: Homeworld name; species name; what he did during his first 800 years of life(old republic times anyone?); family, did he have any Yoda juniors out there? Was he always a Jedi? 900 years is a long time...

In comperison with what we know about Mr. Boba Fett, we have far more info on Boba than Yoda. Even in the movies let alone the EU.

I'd like to see Yoda make an appearance here and there as well I can dream...

[Jedi Master Harrison]

^ I concur. :yes:

[Morridini]

I bet he was a smugler before becoming a Jedi...

[thepepgal]

I bet he was a smugler before becoming a Jedi...

Jedi only like to train padawan from when they are very young, Yoda would have had to been taken not long birth, or else he may have been like a joey (baby kangaroo) who are born too small to be separate from their mother. Yoda could have then hung around his mum for say 50 years or so (depending on growth patterns).

[RollaFett]

That's great that he went to France to talk about the show, but why the hell hasn't anyone done an interview or revealed any real info to the mass public? I don't know how reputable that report even is. It's not that I'm doubting it, but why can't we get fool-proof solid info?!

[Zedekk]

Hellooo... let me intorduce you to Mr. Lucas, or George, as we know him. Doesn't like giving out info because of the massive fan base that follows his every word takes it literally as gospel and then he dissapoints when things change. Things change because its the Entertainment Biz and he wants to have some mystery about plot lines and story content. I can't really say that I blame him though. It's one of those supply and demand dynamics. The more he holds back on the more we want to know what it's all about.

[P-Ray]

Official anouncement of Family Guy episode on DVD!


http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Family-Guy-Blue-Harvest-Press-Release/8385

[RollaFett]

^^Yeah, yeah, yeah...gimme a break.
Listen, I'm not actually clamoring for info on the show. I try to be spoiler-free whenever possible despite my perceived whining from my previous post (and yes, I have re-read it and it does look like major whining on my part).
That said, either tell us something we can look upon as solid fact or don't. We know the time period the show is supposed to be set in, and frankly, that's good enough for me. But if you're gonna reveal more info, then do it the right way, dammit. I'm sick of games.

[VADERGOTH]

if any more movies were to be made they would be of the same calibre as the originals and prequal trilogy i shouldnt inagine lucus letting someone else continue his saga but it wont happen cos lucus feels he has all ready told the story he wanted to tell about anakin (i heard this in an interveiw ages back )plus star wars is probably driving him nuts by now lol

[Horse_Head]

More like driving his bank account...

[Annikin_Starkiller]

Well, I heard about the TV show coming out in 2009, but it's not really going to focus on Skywalker or any of the main characters.

Spielberg doing a Star Wars flick? I just can't see that happen. I could see it, but I wouldn't believe it. I wouldn't be able to.

[Jestyr]

Well, I heard about the TV show coming out in 2009, but it's not really going to focus on Skywalker or any of the main characters.

Spielberg doing a Star Wars flick? I just can't see that happen. I could see it, but I wouldn't believe it. I wouldn't be able to.

:w00t:

You're joking right? Didn't one of the OT video commentaries mention that Steven (uncredited) shot second unit on at least one of the OT films?

[Morridini]

Didn't he do the Palps vs Yoda scene?

[Kapit]

Didn't he do the Palps vs Yoda scene?


He did a bit of that, as well as the whole high-wire lightsaber battle on Mustafar

[Darth Octavious]

Well, I heard about the TV show coming out in 2009, but it's not really going to focus on Skywalker or any of the main characters.
Really?! I didn't know that?! Did you hear that a 3-D cartoon is in the works, and its coming out in the fall 2008.

[P-Ray]

Episode of Star Wars Robot Chicken coming to DVD!

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Robot-Chicken-Star-Wars/8772

[Kapit]

Woo! About time we got a good Star Wars special on DVD!

[DarthSolo]

Boba confirmed for live actions series!!!

http://tv.ign.com/articles/845/845437p1.html

[Horse_Head]

Good to have that confirmed... since the advertising for the show has an image of Boba's helmet it was pretty likely.

[flo fett]

YAY! :w00t:

*and then worried that they might balls it up and ruin the character forever*

Yay! :mellow:

[Kapit]

So...who's gonna play Boba Fett, then?

[RollaFett]

The story didn't have that info, but proposed that perhaps both Daniel Logan and Temura Morrison could play him, depending on whether the show had a timeline that moved around.

[Master Magnus]

With so little news on the series, this indeed sounds promising! And now that the writer's strike is nearly over, they should start typing soon...

[Morridini]

They use writers who are in the strike? I thought GL didn't go into those kinda organizations etc.

[Kapit]

That's a good question. He's not part of the DGA, so I don't imagine he'd be in the WGA either. And since he's completely financing everything himself (I assume) I don't see why he'd have to hire WGA writers.

But, the overwhelming majority of GOOD writers are WGA licensed, and they can't write a single word down until the strike is over. Hell, Jay Leno got in trouble for possibly writing down his monologue one night. The rules for the strike are very heavily enforced

[Morridini]

They can't write, but can they record their voices saying what they would have written....:P

[Kapit]

LMAO, that's a good question that I can't answer!

[cj790]

Hmm... Would have preferred something different, but there we go. Hope it's good!

[Morridini]

What are you talking about?

[Coyote850]

Daniel Logan is too short to play a full grown Boba. Jeremy Bulloch was about 5' 10 - 5' 11, and around 155-160 pounds. They need someone about that size. And in fact as long as they keep the helmet on anyone can play Boba as long as they are the right size. Hmmmmmm I know someone who is that size and he already has a Fett costume.............:innocent:

[flo fett]

^ :lol:

I don't want them to take his helmet off during the TV series! We already know what's under there. I hope they leave it on and let Boba have the personality he was supposed to, instead of whipping it off every two seconds and ruining him. Giving him a human side. *rolls eyes*

[cj790]

What are you talking about?

The SW TV series, about Boba Fett :wink:

[RollaFett]

^ :lol:

I don't want them to take his helmet off during the TV series! We already know what's under there. I hope they leave it on and let Boba have the personality he was supposed to, instead of whipping it off every two seconds and ruining him. Giving him a human side. *rolls eyes*

I agree, but I don't think we'll get that. It's gonna be like the Spider-man movies where they just can't help themselves and they constantly find ways to get rid of Spidey's mask for the vast majority of his scenes. ARRGGHHHH!!! I hate that.

[Talcy]

Nah, I have a feeling that when we see him, he'll be Boba Fett proper. Just so long as they get the voice right. They'll probably get Temeura Morrison or Bodi Taylor for that. But I think that we'll be seeing Full on Fett.

[RollaFett]

Daniel Logan is too short to play a full grown Boba. Jeremy Bulloch was about 5' 10 - 5' 11, and around 155-160 pounds. They need someone about that size. And in fact as long as they keep the helmet on anyone can play Boba as long as they are the right size. Hmmmmmm I know someone who is that size and he already has a Fett costume.............:innocent:

Actually, the height I found for Bulloch is 6'1". Logan is 5'8". That said, I don't think that's a big concern as filmmakers can easily work around a height issue.
Remember that Hayden Christensen was only 6'1" when he played Vader, while David Prowse was at least 6'6".

[Morridini]

The SW TV series, about Boba Fett :wink:

Ok, nothing new you were refering to then.

[Coyote850]

Actually, the height I found for Bulloch is 6'1". Logan is 5'8". That said, I don't think that's a big concern as filmmakers can easily work around a height issue.
Remember that Hayden Christensen was only 6'1" when he played Vader, while David Prowse was at least 6'6".

About a year and a half ago Jeremy was at a small convention here in Ohio and I asked him about his height when he played Boba. I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was around 5'11. I'm pretty sure Dave Prowse was almost 7 ft. Can't say for sure, every time I have met him he was sitting down. But he is a big man.
Yes the film makers could work around the height issue with Logan, but why bother. It would be much easier to find someone that matches Bullochs build.
Here's a pic of myself, Jeremy and his wife. I'm 5'11, and as you can see Jeremy and I are the same height.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/Coyote850/bulloch.jpg

[Lord Tesla]

Actually, the height I found for Bulloch is 6'1". Logan is 5'8". That said, I don't think that's a big concern as filmmakers can easily work around a height issue.

That's a good five inches to make up. Is he supposed to do all his bounty hunting in Tiny Town? Shoot every episode standing on a box? Get a digital lift from ILM?

Remember that Hayden Christensen was only 6'1" when he played Vader, while David Prowse was at least 6'6".


But in that situation, there were two factors that wouldn't apply in this situation, if I understand it correctly:

1. Anakin didn't have to be as tall before the armor as after (from early days, it was part of the backstory that the armor, etc., added as much as foot to Vader's height).


2. Not only did the armor give a rationale for the height differential, it also made it easier to hide lifts and other heighteners, which only had to be effective during two brief scenes in one film, not over the course of an entire series television run. (To say nothing of the Fett costume being less concealing.)

[RollaFett]

About a year and a half ago Jeremy was at a small convention here in Ohio and I asked him about his height when he played Boba. I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was around 5'11. I'm pretty sure Dave Prowse was almost 7 ft. Can't say for sure, every time I have met him he was sitting down. But he is a big man.
Yes the film makers could work around the height issue with Logan, but why bother. It would be much easier to find someone that matches Bullochs build.


Why bother? For the simple reason of it not really being bothersome to begin with. Let's say that Bulloch is 5'11", and Logan is 5'8". So what?
It's not as if Logan is gonna be trying to post up Bulloch in the paint during a basketball game. Or, more importantly, appearing in the same scene together during the show.
Seriously, who cares if Logan is 3 inches shorter? Hell, or 4 inches, or 5 inches, or 6 inches? I'm sorry, but that is easily disguised during filming, if it's considered a problem. When watching Rocky, how often do you think, "Boy, Stallone sure is tiny"? For the record, he's 5'10".

That's a good five inches to make up. Is he supposed to do all his bounty hunting in Tiny Town? Shoot every episode standing on a box? Get a digital lift from ILM?

Oh, gimme a break. And why does he have to make up the five inches? Are fans going to be watching ESB/ROTJ at the same time as the show and iguring out a way to measure Logan's height? Well, being SW fans, they very well might. ;)
Seriously though, many actors aren't exactly giants and they manage to portray powerful beings all the time. Why is this situation any different? Aside from the "short for a stormtrooper" joke in ANH, was Mark Hamill's height ever really thought of as being a hinderence? For the record, he's only 5'9".




But in that situation, there were two factors that wouldn't apply in this situation, if I understand it correctly:

1. Anakin didn't have to be as tall before the armor as after (from early days, it was part of the backstory that the armor, etc., added as much as foot to Vader's height).


2. Not only did the armor give a rationale for the height differential, it also made it easier to hide lifts and other heighteners, which only had to be effective during two brief scenes in one film, not over the course of an entire series television run. (To say nothing of the Fett costume being less concealing.)

Right, Anakin (pre-suit) didn't need to be as tall, but in the suit, could you really tell that he was so much shorter than Prowse in the suit? I don't care how many scenes he had, because the fact remains that he looked fine even though he was considerably shorter than the Vader we knew from before.

Plus, let's not forget that this series is supposed to be taking place with characters that we mostly don't know anything about. That would make it very easy for them to cast people that still make Logan (as Boba) look relatively taller.

In the end, I cannot believe you guys think his height is going to be a major issue.

[Lord Tesla]

Oh, gimme a break. And why does he have to make up the five inches? Are fans going to be watching ESB/ROTJ at the same time as the show and iguring out a way to measure Logan's height? Well, being SW fans, they very well might. ;)

The topic is already under discussion, and there isn't even anything to compare to the OT Fett yet. You know they will.

Seriously though, many actors aren't exactly giants and they manage to portray powerful beings all the time. Why is this situation any different? Aside from the "short for a stormtrooper" joke in ANH, was Mark Hamill's height ever really thought of as being a hinderence? For the record, he's only 5'9".

Why different? We know what Fett is supposed to look like. A Fett who is noticeably different is going to go against established facts. If Fett were a new character, you could cast him any size you pleased, and develop his powerfulness through any characteristic you liked. But he's not new.

I never really thought about Mark Hamill's height (except in ROTJ, where standing close to Vader, he did look like a very small kid), but, then, he was always on the...lower end...of the Heroic Stature Scale. Of course, I always thought of Luke as a pathetic loser, rather than a hero, and short doesn't stand out as strange on pathetic loser characters.


Right, Anakin (pre-suit) didn't need to be as tall, but in the suit, could you really tell that he was so much shorter than Prowse in the suit? I don't care how many scenes he had, because the fact remains that he looked fine even though he was considerably shorter than the Vader we knew from before.

I submit that the duration of the...imposture...was directly related to its success. The longer you have to observe something like that, the more apt you are to see any tricks involved, and the more likely something is going to happen which will show up any, for lack of a better term, shortcomings in the illusion.

For the brief scenes we were given in ROTS, you couldn't tell much about the height. But the difference in mass was obvious.

Plus, let's not forget that this series is supposed to be taking place with characters that we mostly don't know anything about. That would make it very easy for them to cast people that still make Logan (as Boba) look relatively taller.

Hmmm. Perhaps they could, but that seems a lot more convoluted and limiting than simply casting the lead with an actor of the proper dimensions.

It also brings to mind the stories of GL's early thoughts of casting ANH with all Little People (is that still the approved PC terminology?), and his fascination with the extremely diminutive. Nothing good has ever come of that...

In the end, I cannot believe you guys think his height is going to be a major issue.

We're Star Wars fans. Everything within that scope is major issue to us, isn't it? Or have I missed something these last thirty-some years?

[Orandhite]

It also brings to mind the stories of GL's early thoughts of casting ANH with all Little People (is that still the approved PC terminology?), and his fascination with the extremely diminutive. Nothing good has ever come of that...

Willow. 'Nuff said. :wink:

[Talcy]

Not all Star Wars fans have these issues. Personally, I think it's a bit nitpicky. And folks shouldn't really have issues with height - so being short is ok for a pathetic loser but not a hero? :hmmm:

Fett doesn't look terribly tall to me in the films. Most of the time he's standing next to Vader.

And as for Little People. Well, I know some don't care; I once heard that Rusty Goffe called Verne Troyer (followed bvy his entourage and tall blonde girlfriend) a "short arse" on the Harry Potter set. Made me smile no end.

[RollaFett]

Why different? We know what Fett is supposed to look like. A Fett who is noticeably different is going to go against established facts. If Fett were a new character, you could cast him any size you pleased, and develop his powerfulness through any characteristic you liked. But he's not new.

Yes, we know what Fett is suppose to look like, but until it was mentioned in this thread, I never had a clue to how tall was. Nor did I care. There is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING wrong with casting someone shorter than Bulloch in the role. Even if it's 5 inches. We, as an audience, will be watching this on-screen, not in person. The height difference will not, I repeat, WILL NOT be noticable.


I submit that the duration of the...imposture...was directly related to its success. The longer you have to observe something like that, the more apt you are to see any tricks involved, and the more likely something is going to happen which will show up any, for lack of a better term, shortcomings in the illusion.

For the brief scenes we were given in ROTS, you couldn't tell much about the height. But the difference in mass was obvious.

Fine. Perhaps had he been on-screen much longer, we would have freaked out about the height difference. Perhaps. Remember, however, that illusions are a cornerstone of filmmaking, and Lucas is one of it's masters. Why are you so convinced this is something that cannot be accomplished? Througout the LOTR films, the Hobbits were dwarfed by everyone else, and that illusion stood up rather well, don't you think? Also, it was on-screen far longer than Christensen in the Vader suit was.
(God, I can't believe I just referenced LOTR, without bashing it, in a positive light.)


Hmmm. Perhaps they could, but that seems a lot more convoluted and limiting than simply casting the lead with an actor of the proper dimensions.

Why is that convulted and limiting? The average height of a typical male is around 5'9" anyway. You give Logan some lifts, factor in the helmet, and he's closer to 6' already. Really, it seems as though you're inventing ways to make this difficult. He's 5'8", not 4'8". Now that would be a major problem.

We're Star Wars fans. Everything within that scope is major issue to us, isn't it? Or have I missed something these last thirty-some years?

Oh, not at all. It's why I'm vigorously defending my stance as well.

[RollaFett]

Fett doesn't look terribly tall to me in the films. Most of the time he's standing next to Vader.


Right! I was going to include that point as well, but forgot. Thanks.

[Lord Tesla]

And folks shouldn't really have issues with height - so being short is ok for a pathetic loser but not a hero? :hmmm:

I got carried away in taking a gratuitous swipe at that pathetic loser Luke Skywalker, whose size is largely irrelevant. He'd be as a big a loser at twice the height.

But, for all the Yodas and the Húrin Thalions in fiction notwithstanding, heroes do tend to be portrayed as larger than life, physically, mentally, generally. Doesn't make everyone shorter a pathetic loser--like I said, I got carried away.:ohwell:

[Talcy]

Well, I'm still confused about the whole Luke being a loser thing. But there we are.

[Lord Tesla]

Yes, we know what Fett is suppose to look like, but until it was mentioned in this thread, I never had a clue to how tall was. Nor did I care. There is nothing, I repeat, NOTHING wrong with casting someone shorter than Bulloch in the role. Even if it's 5 inches. We, as an audience, will be watching this on-screen, not in person. The height difference will not, I repeat, WILL NOT be noticable.

Not noticeable, even if it were as much as five inches? Perhaps. But certainly there's a limit to what can be compensated for? I think five inches is probably the limit.


Fine. Perhaps had he been on-screen much longer, we would have freaked out about the height difference. Perhaps. Remember, however, that illusions are a cornerstone of filmmaking, and Lucas is one of it's masters. Why are you so convinced this is something that cannot be accomplished? Througout the LOTR films, the Hobbits were dwarfed by everyone else, and that illusion stood up rather well, don't you think? Also, it was on-screen far longer than Christensen in the Vader suit was.

I think it would have been noticeable. Even Darth Plaid, with ILM as his ally, can't achieve perfection, and I would expect a lot less than perfection in an ongoing series where they were trying to make up half a foot of height on the lead character. Time and money limit what can be done, don't forget: production schedules, the production budgets, deadlines for airing, etc. Ultimately, they could generate him digitally, and be done with the whole problem--but I think that's unlikely, due to the constraints already cited.

And I thought the effects in LOTR were dreadful, no less the height-trickery than the rest of them. Not very convincing at all.

(God, I can't believe I just referenced LOTR without bashing it in a positive light.)

Bashing LOTR (cinema version)? Must resist...temptation... Must resist...


Why is that convultedand limiting? The average height of a typical male is around 5'9" anyway. You give Logan some lifts, factor in the helmet, and he's closer to 6' already. Really, it seems as though you're inventing ways to make this difficult. He's 5'8", not 4'8". Now that would be a major problem.

1. Okay, so we see that perhaps there is minimum height requirement for the role.

2. It is more convoluted and limiting because it would have to be done for many actors, many times, in the course of series, if other casting were orchestrated to make Fett look the right size, which was one of your proposed solutions. Whereas casting a Fett-sized actor in the Fett role would only have to be done once, for one actor. Much simpler that way.

Oh, not at all. It's why I'm vigorously defending my stance as well.

Excellent! (I'd hate to think I'd been off in the weeds since '77.)

[RollaFett]

And I thought the effects in LOTR were dreadful, no less the height-trickery than the rest of them. Not very convincing at all.

Well, I refuse to compliment LOTR any further, but I will say that the camera trickery for the height difference was well done, IMO.



Bashing LOTR (cinema version)? Must resist...temptation... Must resist...

Heh, heh...then I'll resist bashing.




1. Okay, so we see that perhaps there is minimum height requirement for the role.

Uhhh...yeah. 4'8" wouldn't cut it at all.

2. It is more convoluted and limiting because it would have to be done for many actors, many times, in the course of series, if other casting were orchestrated to make Fett look the right size, which was one of your proposed solutions. Whereas casting a Fett-sized actor in the Fett role would only have to be done once, for one actor. Much simpler that way.

I disagree. I do not see any difficulty in casting Logan in the role and then casting around him due to his height, IF it's even necessary! I still say that it wouldn't be noticed on-screen. Sorry, but that is a part of filmmaking. You are simply making too much of the height non-issue.



Excellent! (I'd hate to think I'd been off in the weeds since '77.)

Weeds, you say?

[Lord Tesla]

Well, I'm still confused about the whole Luke being a loser thing. But there we are.


I'm always surprised that people don't see Luke's Loserdom. Let's see if I can clarify the matter. Just look at his curriculum vitae:

Flunky on the Lars Moisture Farm.

First trip to Mos Eisley, P.O.s the locals, has to be rescued by a little old man from beyond the Dune Sea.

Masterminds suicide rescue attempt aboard first Death Star. Rescued by his rescuee, with a little assist from the droids.

Flies in the assault on the first Death Star. Though hailed as the best pilot in the Outer Rim Territories, flies straight down the trench, relying on speed as a defense. Saved by Han Solo and Chewbacca, whose timely intervention allows him to destroy the Death Star, with a little help from the Force, and the ghost of the little old man from beyond the Dune Sea.

Goes sightseeing on Hoth, ends up suffering the double indignity of being stashed in a Wampa's fridge, and being immersed in the guts of a Taun Taun. Rescued by Han Solo, again.

Flies against the AT-ATs, crashes.

Flies to Dagobah, crashes.

Completely flunks every test administered Yoda. Also appears to neglect personal hygiene.

Quits training and flies to Bespin to rescue his friends. Ends up losing X-wing, hand, and duel. Discovers Vader is Daddie Darkest. Whines about it to little old man from beyond the Dune Sea, who isn't listening. Again is rescued by the rescuees.

Flies to Dagobah, watches Yoda croak. Talks to ghost of little old man from beyond the Dune Sea. Gets P.O.ed. Declares he can't kill Darth Vader. Learns his best girl is, in fact, his twin sister.

Joins the assault team going to the Forest Moon of Endor. Loses sister while playing bike tag in the trees. Misleads the Ewoks by encouraging their sad delusion that Threepio is a god.

In a brilliant tactical maneuver, turns himself in to the Empire, so he can refuse to kill his father in person.

Duels and almost kills father. Remembers he isn't going to kill him, and quits. Forgets that he can still kill the Emperor, no questions asked. Gets toasted with Force Lightning by the Emperor.

Gets saved by father he almost killed but whom he intended to save. His father croaks.

Flies a corpse around while the second Death Star is being destroyed. Lights a funeral pyre for Dear Old Darth later, in a forest. Leaves it untended to attend the Country Ewok Jamboree.

Loser, thy name is Skywalker. Luke Skywalker.

[Kapit]

Flunky on the Lars Moisture Farm.

I suck at farming too, am I a loser? Some people are destined to do different things with their lives

First trip to Mos Eisley, P.O.s the locals, has to be rescued by a little old man from beyond the Dune Sea.He's lived a sheltered life! Did you do nothing stupid as a teenager?

Masterminds suicide rescue attempt aboard first Death Star. Rescued by his rescuee, with a little assist from the droids.3 humans, 2 droids, and a Wookiee against a space station full of Imperial troops? No matter how good a plan you have, it'll turn into a clusterf**k in an instant.

Flies in the assault on the first Death Star. Though hailed as the best pilot in the Outer Rim Territories, flies straight down the trench, relying on speed as a defense.So what was Red Leader doing? Just dickin around?

Saved by Han Solo and Chewbacca, whose timely intervention allows him to destroy the Death Star, with a little help from the Force, and the ghost of the little old man from beyond the Dune Sea.Oh noes, Luke needs help! He's such a loser for needing assistance!

Goes sightseeing on Hoth, ends up suffering the double indignity of being stashed in a Wampa's fridge, and being immersed in the guts of a Taun Taun. Rescued by Han Solo, again.

Flies against the AT-ATs, crashes.

Flies to Dagobah, crashes.So are you saying you're perfect then, Tesla? Cause I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that absolutely no one is perfect

Completely flunks every test administered Yoda. Also appears to neglect personal hygiene.Hey, I got an idea! I'm gonna go take a bath in a lake where there's a giant snake-thing that could swallow a droid whole!

Quits training and flies to Bespin to rescue his friends. Ends up losing X-wing, hand, and duel. Discovers Vader is Daddie Darkest. Whines about it to little old man from beyond the Dune Sea, who isn't listening. Again is rescued by the rescuees.

Flies to Dagobah, watches Yoda croak. Talks to ghost of little old man from beyond the Dune Sea. Gets P.O.ed. Declares he can't kill Darth Vader. Learns his best girl is, in fact, his twin sister.

Joins the assault team going to the Forest Moon of Endor. Loses sister while playing bike tag in the trees. Misleads the Ewoks by encouraging their sad delusion that Threepio is a god.

In a brilliant tactical maneuver, turns himself in to the Empire, so he can refuse to kill his father in person.

Duels and almost kills father. Remembers he isn't going to kill him, and quits. Forgets that he can still kill the Emperor, no questions asked. Gets toasted with Force Lightning by the Emperor.

Gets saved by father he almost killed but whom he intended to save. His father croaks.

Flies a corpse around while the second Death Star is being destroyed. Lights a funeral pyre for Dear Old Darth later, in a forest. Leaves it untended to attend the Country Ewok Jamboree.

Loser, thy name is Skywalker. Luke Skywalker.
This whole post just looks like silly nitpicking. Like you wanted to come up with some reason to dislike Luke. Honestly, I just...my laughter isn't stopping, this is too ridiculously entertaining.

[Talcy]

Is an innocent.

makes a brave decision when faced with guardians' deaths.

Destroys a battle station without a targeting computer in the face of insurmountable odds.

Never wields a lightsabre in a kick ass manner.

Never makes decisions based on his humanity, especially to save friends.

Is prepared to sacrifice himself to save his father's soul.


Why have I even replied to this tosh?

[Lord Tesla]

Is an innocent.

makes a brave decision when faced with guardians' deaths.

Destroys a battle station without a targeting computer in the face of insurmountable odds.

Never wields a lightsabre in a kick ass manner.

Never makes decisions based on his humanity, especially to save friends.

Is prepared to sacrifice himself to save his father's soul.


Some of this is true. I wouldn't attempt to refute the first item, at any rate. Two and three are matters of interpretation: in the first case, he hadn't many options; in the second, if the odds were insurmountable, how did he surmount them?

Some of this I don't quite get. What is the definition of "kick ass manner"? I'll grant he wasn't much of a duelist. And what does it mean to never make a decision based on his humanity?

Why have I even replied to this tosh?

Tosh? Hmmm. Rubbish? Nonsense? Heh, no. My irreverent humor this is! Lighten up! Feel the Farce!

Or, if you prefer it straight-faced: While I stand by my assertion that Luke is a loser, or at least can be seen as such, I tried to make that point with humor. Let's face it, he blundered a lot. He had an unpleasant life, in many respects. He was unhappy a lot. A lot of what he did or tried to do went awry. (Much the same can be said of his father.)

Now, my humor might not be to all tastes--no one's obliged to enjoy it--but I don't think it rises, or sinks, quite to the level of "tosh"; neither does the original point, for which the supporting evidence is in the films themselves.

Maybe I need to use more smilies...

[Jedi Master Harrison]

I'm always surprised that people don't see Luke's Loserdom. Let's see if I can clarify the matter. Just look at his curriculum vitae:

Flunky on the Lars Moisture Farm.

First trip to Mos Eisley, P.O.s the locals, has to be rescued by a little old man from beyond the Dune Sea.

Masterminds suicide rescue attempt aboard first Death Star. Rescued by his rescuee, with a little assist from the droids.

Flies in the assault on the first Death Star. Though hailed as the best pilot in the Outer Rim Territories, flies straight down the trench, relying on speed as a defense. Saved by Han Solo and Chewbacca, whose timely intervention allows him to destroy the Death Star, with a little help from the Force, and the ghost of the little old man from beyond the Dune Sea.

Goes sightseeing on Hoth, ends up suffering the double indignity of being stashed in a Wampa's fridge, and being immersed in the guts of a Taun Taun. Rescued by Han Solo, again.

Flies against the AT-ATs, crashes.

Flies to Dagobah, crashes.

Completely flunks every test administered Yoda. Also appears to neglect personal hygiene.

Quits training and flies to Bespin to rescue his friends. Ends up losing X-wing, hand, and duel. Discovers Vader is Daddie Darkest. Whines about it to little old man from beyond the Dune Sea, who isn't listening. Again is rescued by the rescuees.

Flies to Dagobah, watches Yoda croak. Talks to ghost of little old man from beyond the Dune Sea. Gets P.O.ed. Declares he can't kill Darth Vader. Learns his best girl is, in fact, his twin sister.

Joins the assault team going to the Forest Moon of Endor. Loses sister while playing bike tag in the trees. Misleads the Ewoks by encouraging their sad delusion that Threepio is a god.

In a brilliant tactical maneuver, turns himself in to the Empire, so he can refuse to kill his father in person.

Duels and almost kills father. Remembers he isn't going to kill him, and quits. Forgets that he can still kill the Emperor, no questions asked. Gets toasted with Force Lightning by the Emperor.

Gets saved by father he almost killed but whom he intended to save. His father croaks.

Flies a corpse around while the second Death Star is being destroyed. Lights a funeral pyre for Dear Old Darth later, in a forest. Leaves it untended to attend the Country Ewok Jamboree.

Loser, thy name is Skywalker. Luke Skywalker.

You need to go home and re-think your life. :wink: Luke actually won, he didn't lose.

[flo fett]

Everybody behave and get back onto the subject of the TV series and not whether Luke was a loser or not.

Or I will crush you all...

[Talcy]

Is suitably crushed.

[Lord Tesla]

Well, I refuse to compliment LOTR any further, but I will say that the camera trickery for the height difference was well done, IMO.

Oh...kay. We'll have to disagree on that one.





Uhhh...yeah. 4'8" wouldn't cut it at all.

Excellent. We agree!


I disagree. I do not see any difficulty in casting Logan in the role and then casting around him due to his height, IF it's even necessary! I still say that it wouldn't be noticed on-screen. Sorry, but that is a part of filmmaking. You are simply making too much of the height non-issue.

Well, strictly speaking, I don't think I really see any problems with it, either. I think, and after so long (at least it seems it's been a while: it's been one of those weekends) I could be wrong, but I think what I contested was that it would be easy to cover over the height difference effectively. They can probably pretty much ignore the difference, if it's a matter of a couple of inches. The can pretty much cover it up if it's more than that, if they choose to, but I'm still not convinced it will be easy.

And I do suspect that fans with strong feelings about it will make a lot of noise about it, if it comes to pass. But I'm not one of them, so....I'm cool with it.



Weeds, you say?

Yes, I believe I did say that. An expression my father used years ago (in the days of punched cards and punched tape for program storage) when computers he programmed did things they were not supposed to do. "It went to weeds," he'd say; or, "It's off in the weeds." I have often used it in that sense, "not functioning nominally," or to mean "mistaken, or confused, in error generally."