TheForce.Net and the Jedi Council Forums [Archive]

bluemilk

10-20-2003, 11:28 PM

So my friend that lives one city over from me is into posting gossip and 'news' regarding Star Wars. He's just an average fan like most people. I told him my opinion on TF.N awhile back because he only uses them as a source for news and spoilers. I gave him a couple of sites to try but no luck. Still with the TF.N.

So I posted Fatboy Roberts rant about TF.N. (from sw.com) This was his response.

"I'm really sorry to hear that....
I'm sorry to hear that Fatboy Roberts is a poor, misguided soul, that is...

But like others, he'll learn eventually, if he's smart. Heh heh

Maybe it's true that TF.N is evil, but I don't care about that---I just want my Star Wars news and spoilers, and I don't care how I get them so long as I get them---and TF.N, I've come to realize, is the fastest and easiest way to get the goods.

Long live The Force.Net!!"

so then I asked why it's okay for them to lie and steal if it's convient and he responded back with:

...But even if what he's saying is true, I doubt that I'd become any less indifferent. Sorry, but I obviously don't see this situation with the same level of seriousness that you do. And besides, I'm sure ALL of those unofficial Websites could be accused of similar "crimes" to some degree. Everyone has "some" blood on their hands when it comes to theft of information, even the world's top newspapers. If I'd worry about stuff like that, I'd never even want to open a newspaper or browse the Web at all.

By the way, I doubt even the official site is squeaky clean.

But hey! What do I know?

It seems integrity doesn't matter as long as it's cheap and sleazy

Tovor

10-21-2003, 12:41 AM

Everyone has "some" blood on their hands when it comes to theft of information, even the world's top newspapers. If I'd worry about stuff like that, I'd never even want to open a newspaper or browse the Web at all.

By the way, I doubt even the official site is squeaky clean.
What a funny thing to say. Like the Official SW Site has to steal spoilers from other sites. And, as if they would post spoilers not authorized by Lucasfilm.

Darth Vegas

10-21-2003, 09:48 AM

Well as much as I don't like TFN, I gotta say I do appreciate their review of TUCWS they posted in their newsletter, we gotta lot of hits thanks to them.

Gazelle

10-21-2003, 10:39 AM

Whatever people might say about TF.N we still all go there every day....

goodwije

10-21-2003, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Gazelle@Oct 21 2003, 08:39 AM
Whatever people might say about TF.N we still all go there every day....
I have not been there in several years, before TPM came out was the last time. I remember a time whenever T or Rob or Lee would post spoilers within 2 hours the news would be on TF.N rewritten like it was their own personal scoop. They never gave a link to the original site, they never even mentioned the site it came from or the poster until it was shoved in their face. Infact didn't they repost the Tantive 4 story that T originally put up? That is what i heard anyways, so it looks like it is still going on.

Sure i could go there exclusivly and read all the spoilers and read all the news, but to do so would only hurt the sites i respect, and in the case of newdroid, a site i miss.

JediKeri

10-21-2003, 11:34 AM

Yeah they rip other sites off...one of the reasons I don't go over there. I nearly got banned for speaking my mind, and you guys all know how mild mannered I am...

Gazelle

10-21-2003, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by goodwije@Oct 21 2003, 02:58 PM

Sure i could go there exclusivly and read all the spoilers and read all the news, but to do so would only hurt the sites i respect, and in the case of newdroid, a site i miss.
How would that hurt the sites you respect?

Is T'bone hurt if I go to TFN to read their spoilers/rumours?

Perhaps I am missing something here.

Tovor

10-21-2003, 12:14 PM

In one way, for instance, sites automatically record how many hits they get every day. If you love T for his message board but go to TFN every day for their spoilers which they steal from T or anyone else, then T's hit count remains low while TFN's hit count is huge. So then T starts to feel like nobody visits his site so why bother, and throws in the towel. I'm not saying that is what happened or is happening, because T's site is famous and always getting hits, but that is an example of how going to a sucky stealing site can hurt an honest, superior site.

In addition, TFN can boast, "we get more hits than any other SW site so we are better", and then go on stealing info from the sites who have lower hits than they do.

T-bone

10-21-2003, 12:18 PM

LOL

You guys are really making a big deal out of it.
I don't care where you go.

goodwije

10-21-2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by Gazelle+Oct 21 2003, 09:56 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gazelle @ Oct 21 2003, 09:56 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-goodwije@Oct 21 2003, 02:58 PM

Sure i could go there exclusivly and read all the spoilers and read all the news, but to do so would only hurt the sites i respect, and in the case of newdroid, a site i miss.
How would that hurt the sites you respect?

Is T'bone hurt if I go to TFN to read their spoilers/rumours?

Perhaps I am missing something here. [/b][/quote]
It hurt the smaller sites in that no one would bother to go there. Lets say Jar-Jar over at Jedinet got a juicy spoiler. He would post it and a half hour later it would be stolen and put up on tf.n They didn't put up a link and they did not say they got it from Jar Jar they just posted it like it was their own scoop. So people who visited tf.n would have no reason to visit jedinet.com. Not to mention it is just wrong to steal other peoples hard work and inside information. It is an old argument, some people could care less, i am one of those who does care.

goodwije

10-21-2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@Oct 21 2003, 10:18 AM
LOL

You guys are really making a big deal out of it.
I don't care where you go.
I know you don't T, you have never been the type to say not to go there. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif I is just choose not too... and i like holding grudges, its kinda like a hobby. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

Darth Palpy

10-21-2003, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 21 2003, 01:48 PM
Well as much as I don't like TFN, I gotta say I do appreciate their review of TUCWS they posted in their newsletter, we gotta lot of hits thanks to them.
So, that makes them okay then ?

As for Gazelle's comment about going there every day...I don't, i see most of their crap cut n pasted.

Darth Vegas

10-21-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Emp+Oct 21 2003, 07:49 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Emp @ Oct 21 2003, 07:49 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Oct 21 2003, 01:48 PM
Well as much as I don't like TFN, I gotta say I do appreciate their review of TUCWS they posted in their newsletter, we gotta lot of hits thanks to them.
So, that makes them okay then ? [/b][/quote]
Well, I still don't like the site, but I appreciate the review, it was a very positive review and alot of people saw it.

TF.N's literature forum ain't all that bad though, they got lots of VIP's posting there, that's how we managed to get alot of our interviews.

Gazelle

10-21-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@Oct 21 2003, 04:18 PM

I don't care where you go.
That's what I thought.

Vibroblade

10-21-2003, 02:26 PM

Yeah they rip other sites off...one of the reasons I don't go over there. I nearly got banned for speaking my mind, and you guys all know how mild mannered I am...

I've been banned there....twice...

T-bone

10-21-2003, 02:26 PM

For what?

Darth Vegas

10-21-2003, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Vibroblade@Oct 21 2003, 09:26 AM
Yeah they rip other sites off...one of the reasons I don't go over there. I nearly got banned for speaking my mind, and you guys all know how mild mannered I am...

I've been banned there....twice...
Hey me too (for "foul language")! And I'm glad cause' I wouldn't have found this place had it not happened. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

DarthSikle

10-21-2003, 03:45 PM

What happened to TheFarce.Net??? I went to post there today and wound up here and I had to resign up

Clara

10-24-2003, 09:00 AM

This thread is TheForce.Net, not TheFarce.Net. Let's keep it on track.

I don't mind TheForce.Net Jedi Council that much. I'm on good terms with a couple of the mods and they cut me some slack. Besides, some of the Fan Fics are good, and they gave me a couple of awards for mine. I have a few complaints: its too big, its too tight in rules, some of the mods are power hungry etc, but apart from that, its all good.

Vibroblade

10-24-2003, 02:37 PM

Once I was banned temporarily for no apparent reason other than Chyren ( sp? one of the mods ) didn't like me.

The last time I was banned was for making fun of Scott. I probably deserved that one. It was around the time that we were going round and round with the TFN moderators on the old Council. I actually think you were a party to the discussion T.

T-bone

10-24-2003, 02:42 PM

Really? I don't remember! LOL
honest.

Vibroblade

10-26-2003, 10:08 PM

I think it was right about the time Teek said something to you for a post you made in the TFN sucks thread.....

Leiafan

11-04-2003, 04:15 PM

I loathe TheForce.net and their double/triple/quadruple standards. I loathe how they promote hatred of the prequels and coddle bashers, even giving them their own "Sanctuary," as if they aren't free to spread their hatred all over the boards -- though if by some miracle one of them gets a light tap on the wrist, they screech about how persecuted they are.

Their news items promote enmity between SW fans and fans of other series, such as LOTR and Matrix. The whole site promotes hatred toward the prequels, Lucas, Rick McCallum, and all the actors but Harrison Ford. It allows bashers to post outright lies to keep their hatred going and start trouble. Meanwhile, fans are banned for idiotic non-reasons such as "excessively asking for proof."

EU Defense Force members are allowed to tyrannize the whole site, and harass anyone who dares criticize their precious EU. They are allowed to ignore an explicit directive not to discuss other posters or there will be bannings -- and receive not the promised bannings, but second warnings. Mara Jade fans are allowed to harass people who dislike her, and ask PPOR (post proof or retract) nonstop with no disciplinary action. You're supposed to not handle matters yourself but go to moderators, but when you go to moderators and ask them to do their job, they say, "Stop being so petty. You're not helping your case." Moderators are also allowed to say, "Whatever you say, chick. Enjoy that ban, now." Such moderators are kept on despite many complaints about their unfair banning practices and lack of professionalism, because the EU fans, who apparently must be kept happy at all times, like them.

It is not allowed to slam real people. "Real people" is a fairly exclusive club, whose members belong to one or more of the following categories:

EU authors who post on TF.N
PT bashers
EU fans

It's okay to say vicious things about Lucas, call his daughters "arguments for abortion," say Carrie Fisher is ugly, Hayden Christensen is a dork, Mark Hamill is a no-talent loser (TF.N posted nasty articles about him around the same time it gushed that it wants to promote his upcoming Comic Book movie), and Rick McCallum is the most despicable person ever to live. It is okay for EUDFers to say they are going to shoot anti-EU people and that anti-EU people should be dragged out into the street and beaten to death with baseball bats. But a fan can be banned for six months for saying, "TPM was attacked with a fury usually reserved for those who rape small children."

You are expected to treat the EU as canon on the EU boards, and if you dislike the EU, you are a "guest" on the EU boards. Meanwhile on the prequel forums, it is permitted to say that the prequels are not canon, and the anti-prequel people own those forums -- it's the fans who are treated as "guests," and they are banned for offenses that bashers are rarely even warned for.

You cannot protest the double/triple/quadruple standards; if you try, your threads are instantly locked by a mod, who says that there is no double standard and the EU forums have "different needs" from the movie forums.

Fans are told to stay out of the Bashers Sanctuary, for fear of banning. But bashers can invade any thread that is specifically for fans of the PT, and derail/ruin them. The moderators sit by and twiddle their thumbs, until a fan gets fed up and tells off the basher, at which point the moderators swoop in and issue warnings to the fan, but not the basher. Redundant threads are not allowed, except when they're basher threads. Bashers can post as many threads as they like about why they hate this or that about the prequels.

TF.N chased away a bona fide SW celebrity, Ian (Palpatine) McDiarmid, but kowtows to people who are quasi-celebrities at best, like EU authors, and demand that posters respect them even when they behave in a manner that is not worthy of respect.

Is it any wonder that increasing numbers of people hate TF.N? That just about all the decent mods have quit in disgust?

T-bone

11-04-2003, 04:21 PM

Send Ian over here style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

JediJaina

11-04-2003, 04:22 PM

Oh just so everybody knows..if you see someone named JediJaina over there it's not me.

DarthSikle

11-04-2003, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Clara@Oct 24 2003, 07:00 AM
This thread is TheForce.Net, not TheFarce.Net. Let's keep it on track.
then where the heck should i post it????

Anywho, what happened to TheFarce.Net??

Luvinna

11-04-2003, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by DarthSikle+Nov 4 2003, 01:34 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DarthSikle @ Nov 4 2003, 01:34 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Clara@Oct 24 2003, 07:00 AM
This thread is TheForce.Net, not TheFarce.Net. Let's keep it on track.
then where the heck should i post it????

Anywho, what happened to TheFarce.Net??[/b][/quote]
Seems to be right here:

http://www.thefarce.net/

Vibroblade

11-04-2003, 10:02 PM

LeiaFan,

In the words of Vader, " Impressive, most impressive."

You have achieved a level of hatred of TFN that most of us can only dream of....I bow before you in awe....

Jedi Scoke Faofa

11-13-2003, 08:20 PM

Hmm...
Doesn't look like a lot of people like The Force.Net. I haven't had any problems there, and most of the people I talk too in the STL Arch Vader Society and the specific threads I post to are pretty cool.

It's way better than the Official Boards though. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Darth Vegas

11-13-2003, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@Nov 4 2003, 12:21 PM
Send Ian over here style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Yes please do Leiafan, TUCWS wants to interview him, and the letter we sent either never got to him or he just didn't reply. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

YodaJeff

11-30-2003, 03:41 PM

Okay, I feel like I probably should say a few things here.

First off, I'm not about to defend or discuss TFN's news sections, because I really don't know what goes on with that part of the site.

However, I am willing and able to discuss the JC forums. As some of you may know, I was a moderator there for around 10 months. Please don't judge me by that alone. Trust me - not all of the mods there are bad. A lot of them are fans like everyone here, and most of them don't deserve all the criticism that they have to put up with.

"I loathe TheForce.net and their double/triple/quadruple standards. I loathe how they promote hatred of the prequels and coddle bashers, even giving them their own "Sanctuary," as if they aren't free to spread their hatred all over the boards -- though if by some miracle one of them gets a light tap on the wrist, they screech about how persecuted they are."

I'll agree with you on at least one thing - I don't like the "Sanctuary" and its "Defense Force" counterpart either, and I always spoke up about it when the topic came up (whether or not I was listened to is an entirely different story).

As for the Ian McDiarmid incident, it never was confirmed whether or not that actually was Ian. From what I've heard, they were able to trace the IP back to the UK, but the user left before they were able to confirm his identity.

By the way, Leiafan, I think I've heard some of those complaints before, and I'm pretty sure I've discussed some of them with you at the JC before too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

By no means am I defending everything that has gone on or does go on over there. I like to think of TFN and the JC as two separate entities, and the JC probably would be better off if that were true. Most of the mods at the JC have absolutely nothing to do with the rest of TFN, and those who are responsible for the rest of TFN typically have little to do with the JC.

scribe88

12-01-2003, 01:08 AM

TF.N chased away a bona fide SW celebrity, Ian (Palpatine) McDiarmid

What happened???

From what I understand, Ian McDiarmid is pretty reclusive when it comes to fans. He even runs from autograph seekers in the subway. I can't imagine he'd EVER try to post on ANY SW fan site. EVER.

SmokemDeathsticks

12-28-2003, 12:06 PM

Ahh wow, SW boards that aren't dead and empty! I thought TF.N LLC LLC cornered the market 'till I found this place. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif I'm glad to have some variety, I'm getting kind of tired of the same-old same-old at TF.N LLC LLC. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

Cripes, there's so many smilies, how am I supposed to pick??

Edit: Er, what's that "LLC" thing?

T-bone

12-28-2003, 02:10 PM

LOL

Kent

12-29-2003, 05:51 AM

Ok I just got banned on the TF.N LLC forums. Any others from the elite club? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

BTWwhat do you think of their famous "Virtual sequels"? I hope no one leaks too many spoilers from that. Imagine if those stoyboards leaked!

James T. Skywalker

12-29-2003, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Kent@Dec 29 2003, 01:51 AM
BTWwhat do you think of their famous "Virtual sequels"? I hope no one leaks too many spoilers from that. Imagine if those stoyboards leaked!
I can see the headlines on StarWars.com now:

"Illegal Virtual Sequel script/storyboards leaked to Lucasfilm; Lucas further cements his view that Sequel Trilogy will never happen"

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

~JTS

Leiafan

12-30-2003, 06:49 AM

Okay, I feel like I probably should say a few things here.

First off, I'm not about to defend or discuss TFN LLC LLC's news sections, because I really don't know what goes on with that part of the site.

However, I am willing and able to discuss the JC forums.* As some of you may know, I was a moderator there for around 10 months.* Please don't judge me by that alone.* Trust me - not all of the mods there are bad.* A lot of them are fans like everyone here, and most of them don't deserve all the criticism that they have to put up with.

I agree, not all of them are bad, but there are some who get drunk on power and are given way too much deference by other mods.

I'll agree with you on at least one thing - I don't like the "Sanctuary" and its "Defense Force" counterpart either, and I always spoke up about it when the topic came up (whether or not I was listened to is an entirely different story).

Yes, I know.

The Bashers Sanctuary is basically a place where people congregate to say the most unbelievably vicious things about George Lucas, slobber all over their god, Peter Jackson, and claim he's taken Lucas's place, etc. The moderator of that particular forum is a basher himself, and seldom, if ever, issues anything more than a light tap on the wrist to bashers for the same TOS violations that fans get lengthy bans for. Bashers, despite having their own sanctuary which is to be kept free of fans, can still derail any and all positive threads, poisoning them with their hatred, and complaints by fans are ignored.

As for the Ian McDiarmid incident, it never was confirmed whether or not that actually was Ian.* From what I've heard, they were able to trace the IP back to the UK, but the user left before they were able to confirm his identity.

Maybe it wasn't Ian. But I wonder why, if TF.N LLC is so hungry for "prestigious, celebrity" posters, it allows the most unbelievably cruel, vicious, and often untrue things to be said about SW celebrities, ranging from George Lucas to Rick McCallum to Carrie Fisher to Hayden Christensen to Mark Hamill. Their reasoning is, "Those people do not post here. Therefore they are fair game, unlike the SW celebrities who do post here." Does it occur to them that those people might not want to post at a site which allows, if not encourages, people to bash them horribly? I know from a person who is in contact with Hamill that he is well aware of the cruel things that are said about him on the site, both the message boards and the news section. Should it really come as a surprise that Hamill didn't leap at TF.N LLC's offer to help publicize his comic book movie?

It also interests me how bashers are permitted to openly mock and insult fans of the prequels, say they have no taste, don't know what a good movie is, and, as one poster is currently doing, refer to them derisively as "homers" (as in Homer Simpson). Is that not bashing real people who post on the boards? And there's a double standard as well: if one dared question the taste or intelligence of EU fans, they would be banned instantly and probably permanently. Meanwhile EU fans can threaten to shoot anti-EU people and say they should be dragged out in the street and beaten to death with baseball bats, and receive only the lightest of disciplinary action, if they receive any at all.

By the way, Leiafan, I think I've heard some of those complaints before, and I'm pretty sure I've discussed some of them with you at the JC before too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

That you have.

By no means am I defending everything that has gone on or does go on over there.* I like to think of TFN LLC LLC and the JC as two separate entities, and the JC probably would be better off if that were true.* Most of the mods at the JC have absolutely nothing to do with the rest of TFN LLC LLC, and those who are responsible for the rest of TFN LLC LLC typically have little to do with the JC.

True, but they seem to carry on the anti-prequel, anti-Lucas biases of the rest of TF.N LLC.

SmokemDeathsticks

01-04-2004, 04:18 PM

:withstupid:

I love that smiley but really, can't it be changed to say "I'm with you" or something else? "Stupid" is not always the case style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

Anyway...

Bashers, despite having their own sanctuary which is to be kept free of fans, can still derail any and all positive threads, poisoning them with their hatred, and complaints by fans are ignored.

I agree. I'm all for basher threads as long as they are tended to properly and bashers are actually *directed* there. If there's no Bashers Sanctuary, they'll overrun the boards, which honestly, is what they do anyway 'cause the BS isnt' taken care of properly. What I mean is, say there's bashing going on in another thread. Mods should see this and say "ok, you're starting to bash, please do that HERE, and give a link to the BS. That's what the damn thread is for. But it's not taken care of, bashers still go into other threads and trample everywhere they please. G*d forbid somebody actually likes the love story or Hayden Christensen's portrayal of Anakin! Most of the time you get a textual beating for actually saying you like either of those things.

Honestly, IMHO there's no way to take care of TF.N LLC very strictly simply because of it's size. It's just too damn big. I haven't been here that long but as soon as I found this place I liked it. Usually I lurk for weeks or even months before I join a board. I've seen plenty of civility here, and when people get out of line or off topic, mods step in right away to bring things back into line.

True, but they seem to carry on the anti-prequel, anti-Lucas biases of the rest of TF.N LLC LLC.
Right, I see that too.

And that's all I'm going to say about this, cause I really did not join this board to b!tch about another board. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/innocent.gif

Manowan

01-09-2004, 03:37 PM

I'm in the "elite club", they banned me recently. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

This jerk Stackpole_the_Hobbit presses one of my buttons and we go at it and he starts making false accusations. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif So I post the pic that he had in his bio. He apparently is ashamed of how he looks because he goes crying to the mods and removes the pic from his bio. Then they ban me.

They let so many people bash and flame and get away with all kinds of crap, but other people...oh boy. Zap! No fair play. :yinyang:

I wish they had T'bones warning system. That would be so much more fair.
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unhappy.gif

Darth Badly

01-13-2004, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Manowan@Jan 9 2004, 08:37 PM

This jerk Stackpole_the_Hobbit presses one of my buttons and we go at it and he starts making false accusations. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif So I post the pic that he had in his bio. He apparently is ashamed of how he looks because he goes crying to the mods and removes the pic from his bio.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Man, that's weird.

Katsu Ma'roy

01-15-2004, 10:46 PM

DOh...never mind

Meche

01-18-2004, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by SmokemDeathsticks@Jan 4 2004, 08:18 PM
G*d forbid somebody actually likes the love story or Hayden Christensen's portrayal of Anakin! Most of the time you get a textual beating for actually saying you like either of those things.
Or for saying you don't like them.

I looked for examples of getting bashed for liking or not liking them and I found a lot of both. Honestly, no side of any argument has a monopoly on bashing the other side. I've also found "bashers of bashers," people who seem to look out for threads where people bash something they like, and attack. It's weird. I've seen a group, I think called "Defenders," who will bash anyone who says anything negative about Hayden Christensen or the love story, and refer to those people as illogical and whatnot. I guess no one's safe.

Whitesaber

01-18-2004, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Meche+Jan 18 2004, 12:44 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Meche @ Jan 18 2004, 12:44 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-SmokemDeathsticks@Jan 4 2004, 08:18 PM
G*d forbid somebody actually likes the love story or Hayden Christensen's portrayal of Anakin! Most of the time you get a textual beating for actually saying you like either of those things.
Or for saying you don't like them.

I looked for examples of getting bashed for liking or not liking them and I found a lot of both. Honestly, no side of any argument has a monopoly on bashing the other side. I've also found "bashers of bashers," people who seem to look out for threads where people bash something they like, and attack. It's weird. I've seen a group, I think called "Defenders," who will bash anyone who says anything negative about Hayden Christensen or the love story, and refer to those people as illogical and whatnot. I guess no one's safe. [/b][/quote]
In the not so famous reproduced words of some monkey in the hideous remake of Planet of the Apes: "Can't we all just get along?"

Tovor

01-18-2004, 08:57 PM

I should start posting there and get myself banned. However, it would take too long to wade through their volumes of threads to find something worth posting about.

Vibroblade

01-19-2004, 02:07 PM

Hello Meche!, long time no see.

Meche

01-19-2004, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Whitesaber@Jan 18 2004, 09:47 PM
In the not so famous reproduced words of some monkey in the hideous remake of Planet of the Apes: "Can't we all just get along?"
I don't think so. A lot of people aren't out to "just get along." They can be out to show off how superior they are, and to teach others their own way of thinking and tell off anyone who doesn't agree. Or at least, that seems to be one of the problems. I'm not too interested in looking further right now.

Hi Vibro.

Whitesaber

01-19-2004, 07:02 PM

I don't think so. A lot of people aren't out to "just get along." They can be out to show off how superior they are, and to teach others their own way of thinking and tell off anyone who doesn't agree. Or at least, that seems to be one of the problems. I'm not too interested in looking further right now.

And therefore, like what happens to the monkey in the movie... eh. We can't get along...

Personally, I agree with your statement. I believe that's the case everywhere, not only TF.N LLC. It's a universal problem that cannot be resolved.

SmokemDeathsticks

01-21-2004, 07:34 PM

Or for saying you don't like them.
True
Honestly, no side of any argument has a monopoly on bashing the other side.
I guess because I'm on one side of the fence I see my side more. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif But I also see what you are saying about the gushers bashing the bashers.
I've seen a group, I think called "Defenders," who will bash anyone who says anything negative about Hayden Christensen or the love story, and refer to those people as illogical and whatnot.
Yea, I know which one you are talking about. They do come on strong, even to the point of fighting amongst themselves.

I think it's like fighting fire with fire...everything burns that way, nobody can get a sensible word in edgewise and don't even think about having a decent discussion. I've had good discussions with 1 or 2 posters in some threads where we were on opposite sides yet didn't resort to "you're an idiot because of suchandsuch". Those discussions are very few and far between over there. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
It's a universal problem that cannot be resolved.
I never see such insanity in any "classic trilogy" boards. Who argues over the OT? Honestly, I think the PT brings out the worst in people. They are either very strongly for it or very strongly against it. On the other hand, I've yet to come across discussions that end up with the posters bashing eachother here. Maybe I'm reading the wrong threads? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Leiafan

01-22-2004, 04:23 PM

The PT forums encourage bashing and set aside a thread specifically so the bashers, some of whom outright say that they aren't even SW fans anymore because LOTR has taken its place, can wallow in their hatred uninterrupted, spreading half-true or completely untrue stuff about Lucas to justify their hatred of him.

The bashers are permitted to be as vile and hateful as they want, and if you stand up to them, you are banned. It's kind of strange how the people who actually like the movies that the site is about have to watch their step, but the bashers have carte blanche.

When the OT came out, there were plenty of people who didn't like it either. But back then there was no Internet to congregate at and complain and bash and spread misinformation. People actually moved on instead of saying they would but still hanging around spreading their venom. Many of the bashers claim to like the OT but never post about it. They're always posting about the movies they hate: the prequels.

They insult those who like the prequels and get away with it. They say that it would've made for a better story for Anakin to have raped Padme and that's how she gets pregnant with the children, and get away with it. They say the most insulting things imaginable about Lucas, Hayden Christensen, Mark Hamill, etc. and get away with it.

Maybe that's why the "Defenders" are so, well, defensive. They have put up with unchecked extreme bashing for years now and are sick of it.

Meche

01-23-2004, 08:52 PM

I guess because I'm on one side of the fence I see my side more. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

That's true of most people as far as I know... true of me, for sure. That's why each side thinks of itself as more persecuted than any other, I suppose.

I've had good discussions with 1 or 2 posters in some threads where we were on opposite sides yet didn't resort to "you're an idiot because of suchandsuch".

At TFN LLC? I think I'd like to see it, if so. I haven't looked in the OT threads.

Maybe that's why the "Defenders" are so, well, defensive. They have put up with unchecked extreme bashing for years now and are sick of it.

I'm sure that both they and the people who disagree with them have had to put up with a lot. That doesn't excuse them from the rules and allow them to thus become bashers of anyone who disagrees. It's that kind of attitude that, well, makes the message board as unpleasant as you find it. It is indeed a problem that won't be resolved.

SmokemDeathsticks

01-24-2004, 12:37 PM

some of whom outright say that they aren't even SW fans anymore because LOTR has taken its place,

Honestly though, who in their right mind believes that? I fell off the SW bandwagon after TPM because I was so disappointed in it. I was really crushed. I got into another fandom which was actually quite fortuitous because it kept me completely and utterly spoiler-free for AotC. But did I go around posting at a Star Wars board that Farscape was better?? Of course not! I went to Farscape boards and talked Farscape! I mean, c'mon, it's insane. I'm never going to dump SW and I'm never going to dump Farscape. Unless either of them turn to pure, utter crap (EPIII or the soon-to-be FS mini-series)...and even then, I will still have fond memories of the movies/shows I did like, and will continue to re-watch them and enjoy them whenever I feel like it. People who do otherwise are completely bonkers. I just don't get it.

put up with unchecked extreme bashing for years now and are sick of it.

Right! I agree completely. It's backlash against the horsecrap that's been going on for so long. Not that it's right, mind you; that's the fire/fire thing. But it is inevitable I suppose. One can only take so much.

The only thing one can do is wade through the tons of crap at those boards to find something you like, someplace where your ideas fit, or you can go to different boards where people discuss things rationally and sanely.

At TFN LLC LLC? I think I'd like to see it, if so

TF.N LLC boards are down for over 1/2 hour now, but even so, that thread has sunken down to the pits and I'm way too lazy to find it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif. Needle in a haystack.

Er...didn't I say I wasn't gonna talk about this anymore?? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif Somebody spank me!

Meche

01-24-2004, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by SmokemDeathsticks@Jan 24 2004, 04:37 PM
It's backlash against the horsecrap that's been going on for so long. Not that it's right, mind you; that's the fire/fire thing. But it is inevitable I suppose. One can only take so much.
Actually no, it's not inevitable. If someone reaches the point where he's incapable of respecting other people, he can just walk away. It's a just message board; it's not like people are forced to post and make a backlash.

One problem I've seen with thinking that something gives you a right to attack pepole is where a few people try to start a conversation without making any personal attacks, but they do disagree and don't like Hayden Christensen, and that's enough to get them attacked (simply for having the same opinion as those people who did give the Defenders crap). Completely unfair, no matter how "righteous" they think it is, and so that's the kind of forum you get. If the people resemble the people who weren't nice to you, bash them?

As for the thread you can't find, it's okay. I'm not *that* jumpy to look through the threads.

Darth Darthy

01-26-2004, 02:50 PM

Episode 3 FICTIONAL Review (http://www.theforce.net/episode3/index.shtml#23096)

What the hell?!? Why, just why would somebody waste part of their life doing this? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

Darth Vegas

01-26-2004, 03:30 PM

I'm just returning from something Lucasfilm has never done before and quite frankly something I never thought they would do.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

T-bone

01-26-2004, 09:29 PM

:roll:

T-bone

01-26-2004, 09:41 PM

http://boards.theforce.net/Episode_III_(Sp...331/14702368/p2 (http://boards.theforce.net/Episode_III_(Spoilers_Allowed)/b10331/14702368/p2)

Vibroblade

01-29-2004, 01:34 PM

That "review" was the dumbest thing ever posted on TFN LLC...and that's saying a lot.

frootylupes

01-29-2004, 02:55 PM

/\ agreed

T-bone

01-29-2004, 08:19 PM

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/innocent.gif

refrains from comment.

Kent

02-02-2004, 03:13 AM

The Title of the "Virtual Sequels" of TF.N LLC LLC is finally revealed !!!!!!!!!!

Episode VII : Escape from Peril

Impressive! But the bigger question is , how do we mortals escape from the Virtual Sequels????

frootylupes

02-03-2004, 11:27 AM

hmm, things get gayer and gayer every day

Darth_Vortex

02-03-2004, 03:24 PM

JC is a joke. They have no respect for users. They often will side with trouble makers and those that harass (flaming) if their numbers are too high. Then because they expect you to read every page in the Administrations section they will “entrap” posters. They also can ban you with out warning (so everyone here knows) if a certain moderator doesn’t like you. And they do. The E3S mods are the worst. If you are funny and bring humor they will tolerate you till they are sick of you.

Then they will let their little group of what I like to call “bulldogs” engage in *lite* baiting, taunts, spam, derailment, trolling and any other salacious behavior. It all rests on if a mod likes or doesn’t like you, more so than if you do wrong. Then higher up mods will make promises that you will be unbanned (and if you sit out your time) they will do a 180! Very inappropriate, unprofessional and dishonest!

Mostly beware of the some (the key word is some) of the Episode III Spoilers allowed moderators. They will stick up and support a fellow moderator even if he more or less uses “personal” judgment to give a greater ban. They also exaggerate and have little tolerance for “due process.”

I thought that I would share that with everyone. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Jabba the Hutt on a tricycle

02-03-2004, 08:20 PM

I get my news from it, its pretty good, as it updates all the time. Episode-x.com is also good, but they dont have any news for ages. Havent used the forum so cant really comment on that.

Darth Darthy

02-03-2004, 11:03 PM

They got this link (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/profiles/rank/jedi.asp) with the complied data from the 2001 census in the UK. I'm one of the proud Jedis too I might add. Heh.

Kent

02-03-2004, 11:07 PM

i didnt understand that survey

Emperor

02-10-2004, 05:54 AM

I got banned for posting a picture of myself kissing a picture of Leia. I was told by the moderators that if Carrie Fisher ever visited the site and saw that she would be offended.

T-bone

02-10-2004, 08:31 AM

Man, that's hilarious.

Dutch

02-21-2004, 12:47 PM

As of yesterday and the incredible backlash a certain ANIMATED CEL of an ep 3 character produced over there, I will no longer go to TFN LLC or the JC for any reason.

All the SW news I need I can find here and at the official site now that I have joined Hyperspace.

These message boards are much more positive.

T-bone

02-21-2004, 12:56 PM

These message boards are much more positive.

We really try to keep it that way yea - but that's another thread style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Edgeomatic

02-21-2004, 12:58 PM

i dont mind tf.net

Ripley the Warmaster

02-24-2004, 11:19 PM

TheForce.Net First message board I signed up for. Used to be pretty good in my opinion, i got over 15,000 posts there. Despite some of the earlier posts, there are some good mods and good users, I've become good friends with them. However, it's gone down in quality A LOT. A good number of the mods have double-standards, and i believe a few even got made because of being friends of former mods. Plus I echo how some have power go to their head. Expanded Universe Community, the board I go to the most there, clearly needs a mod just for EUC to monitor the mass spamming going on, but the mod won't look for a full-time mod, he considers it a personal insult when people try to get a new mod, and the big whigs don't care for it that much. However, the FanForce part of the boards are a lot different than the JC part, lot nicer. Quite a few people post just there. Plus the rudeness, espically in Your Jedi Council Community, is way too overboard. I understand there is going to be some people who are always like that, but for some of the older people, the mods there do jack to them, when the new persond does it and get banned. Another problem is some of the anti-Mara people on there, that hijack almost every Mara thread there, and act like she's the devil incarnate. Plus the EUDF there, while doing an honourable cause, are soemitmes not that better than the bashers themselfs. This goes over to the Prequel Bashers/Gushers.
However, now being on this board for a month, that it's a much friendlier enviroment than the JC has ever been, and plan on being here more than the JC.

Justin

02-24-2004, 11:28 PM

Well we're glad to have you. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Now go tell all your friends to come here too.

Ripley the Warmaster

02-24-2004, 11:59 PM

thanks. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif yeah, I'm not the only one there who is just as fed up as me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

T-bone

03-01-2004, 11:57 AM

http://boards.theforce.net/Communications/.../15063626/?1032 (http://boards.theforce.net/Communications/b10006/15063626/?1032)

"More machine now than fan..."

GrandAdmiralThrawn

03-01-2004, 12:24 PM

Can't access the boards at school

Darth Darthy

03-01-2004, 12:33 PM

What an odd bloke. I wonder how many actually gave him their real name and addess? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

Dutch

03-01-2004, 01:38 PM

Has anyone been to TFN LLC main today? Are they gushing about how LOTR swept the oscars, subtly bashing Lucas, and posting exerpts of newspaper articles that praise LOTR while taking swipes a SW?

Just wondering.

T-bone

03-01-2004, 01:48 PM

Has anyone been to TFN LLC LLC main today? Are they gushing about how LOTR swept the oscars, subtly bashing Lucas, and posting exerpts of newspaper articles that praise LOTR while taking swipes a SW?

Just wondering.

That would be the usual policy but I don't visit that site anymore really. I can get the National Enquirer at the grocery store. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Jans_Walker

03-01-2004, 05:34 PM

Visit yourself and find out.

About the whole Phillip vs. The Mod Squad thing... you know something's wrong when one of the administration says that he's willing to demote a bunch of mods if they don't surrender their home address to him, and related to that to close the JC, one of the largest fan boards on the net, if it's more trouble than its worth (Page 5 of 7). style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif

May I post the URL? If not, T'bone, edit this post:
http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmods...mailToYou01.htm (http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmodsquad2004_MouthOfPhilip_MyEmailToYou01.htm)

http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmods...mailToYou02.htm (http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmodsquad2004_MouthOfPhilip_MyEmailToYou02.htm)

http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmods...mailToYou03.htm (http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmodsquad2004_MouthOfPhilip_MyEmailToYou03.htm)

http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmods...mailToYou04.htm (http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmodsquad2004_MouthOfPhilip_MyEmailToYou04.htm)

http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmods...mailToYou05.htm (http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmodsquad2004_MouthOfPhilip_MyEmailToYou05.htm)

http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmods...mailToYou06.htm (http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmodsquad2004_MouthOfPhilip_MyEmailToYou06.htm)

http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmods...mailToYou07.htm (http://rebelscum.reallysucksass.com/jcmodsquad2004_MouthOfPhilip_MyEmailToYou07.htm)

T-bone

03-01-2004, 05:40 PM

Funky stuff.

Jans_Walker

03-01-2004, 05:46 PM

Well I am concerned that since this is internal discussion that's not really meant for our eyes, I'll give the offer to any mod from theforce.net (I don't like key words being automatically suffixed with LLC, btw), out of respect for them, that if they want me to remove the link they can PM me and I'll do so.

Chris

T-bone

03-01-2004, 05:55 PM

(I don't like key words being automatically suffixed with LLC, btw)

Why not. They are an LLC, no?

Dutch

03-01-2004, 06:03 PM

pardon my ignorance, but what does LLC stand for?

Ripley the Warmaster

03-01-2004, 06:18 PM

As a person who posts there a lot (but now I've found a better board, here. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ) I find it sick and childish how a bunch of users are bashing the admin for doing his action. Not debating, but flat out acting like five year olds.

Jans_Walker

03-01-2004, 06:23 PM

Tacking the 'LLC' onto the end of every mention I make of Theforce.net adds a bit of condescension to the meaning of my message that I didn't originally intend.

Nathan Butler

03-01-2004, 07:03 PM

"As a person who posts there a lot (but now I've found a better board, here. ) I find it sick and childish how a bunch of users are bashing the admin for doing his action. Not debating, but flat out acting like five year olds. "

You're kidding, right? The owners refuse to answer questions, then when they do, their response is to insult those with concerns rather than addressing them, then they threaten with demotion in the same breath as the insult.

And, word has it, they do it in prelude to some, to say the least, bad juju that's coming down the pike?

And you're worried that those being insulted, having the rules changed under them, and otherwise being disrespected or having their concerns ingored by the admins are returning that treatment in kind?

Read the link Jans_Walker provided. Somehow I think you'll re-evaluate.

And, yes, Jans, I agree on the LLC, mainly because if you edit a post, the LLC becomes LLC LLC, which then becomes LLC LLC LLC and so on, each time you edit. It's a pain in the butt, true or not.

T-bone

03-01-2004, 08:19 PM

Tacking the 'LLC' onto the end of every mention I make of Theforce.net adds a bit of condescension to the meaning of my message that I didn't originally intend.

Cool. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

T-bone

03-01-2004, 08:20 PM

And, yes, Jans, I agree on the LLC, mainly because if you edit a post, the LLC becomes LLC LLC, which then becomes LLC LLC LLC and so on, each time you edit. It's a pain in the butt, true or not.

Awesome style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

SmokemDeathsticks

03-01-2004, 10:32 PM

Whoa! I have to say that dude Wise was really condescending. Thanks muchly for the link, Jans_Walker, pretty interesting stuff.

Darth Darthy

03-02-2004, 05:49 PM

He doesn't really look like your average SW fan either... He's got one hell of a home cinema though. Distinct lack of a popcorn machine though.

T-bone

03-02-2004, 11:26 PM

http://boards.theforce.net/Communications/...006/14867279/p2 (http://boards.theforce.net/Communications/b10006/14867279/p2)

Interesting.

Tovor

03-03-2004, 01:11 AM

Great Scott! The callous nature of the TFN conglomerate amazes me.

bluemilk

03-03-2004, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by T'bone@Mar 2 2004, 08:26 PM
http://boards.theforce.net/Communications/...006/14867279/p2 (http://boards.theforce.net/Communications/b10006/14867279/p2)

Interesting.
not sure why? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif it seems like just chit-chat

T-bone

03-03-2004, 08:56 AM

Hey - people send me the links, I post em.

I just think it's funny that no one knows where all the scratch goes.

Dutch

03-03-2004, 10:20 AM

Scratch......

LOL

Haven't heard that in a long time.

Tovor

03-03-2004, 11:12 AM

"Scratch"?

T-bone

03-03-2004, 11:17 AM

Bread

Tovor

03-03-2004, 11:26 AM

I see. The moola-cashola.

Darth Darthy

03-03-2004, 12:55 PM

Into Philip Wises next home cinema project?

Brian

03-03-2004, 03:06 PM

Why should anyone care where the money goes? Just asking. I mean it's not free to run TFN or the JC.

And about VIP colors: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif What's the big deal? Who cares?

T-bone

03-03-2004, 03:12 PM

Why should anyone care where the money goes? Just asking. I mean it's not free to run TFN or the JC.

* Logs that comment for future use style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Brian

03-03-2004, 03:19 PM

I hear ya. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Darth Vegas

03-10-2004, 06:03 PM

These guys are idiots:

http://www.theforce.net/episode3/index.shtml#23382

That interview with Genndy Tartkovsky was posted over 3 weeks ago at TOS.

Frickin' morons.

T-bone

03-10-2004, 06:49 PM

better late than never style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
i haven't been too timely lately with my news either - you know, that real life stuff is a pain in the rear.

just mind the flaming, peeps.

Darth Vegas

03-10-2004, 06:51 PM

I know, but still, it's almost a MONTH old. Boggles the mind I tell ya'. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

T-bone

03-10-2004, 06:54 PM

that's why we have your site.

Darth Vegas

03-10-2004, 06:57 PM

Yeah I suppose so. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/trooper.gif

Truth be known though I was slightly late posting that bit too, though not nearly that late.

It just struck me as kinda odd that they would even bother posting that thing up now. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/notify.gif

Meche

03-18-2004, 12:57 PM

(Someone sent me this link.)

http://boards.theforce.net/The_Senate_Floo...0/11044421/?260 (http://boards.theforce.net/The_Senate_Floor/b10320/11044421/?260)

"If you are healthy, no asthma or anything like that, second hand smoke is harmless."

?

Blizzard

03-18-2004, 01:14 PM

And a man recently dropped dead after saying that. I don't remember if it was in front of Congress or the Senate, or where.

To quote Meche...

?

*shakes head*

goodwije

03-18-2004, 11:07 PM

*lights up a cigarette and blows smoke at the screen*

You know one thing that really gets me is when people have children and they are to selfish to either go outside or go to a ventilated room to smoke away from them. I have no problem going into a restaurant or bar and taking my smokes outside as opposed to bothering the people around me. But a "street ban" to me is absolutely ridiculous.

Dutch

03-29-2004, 12:36 PM

Just went to theforce.net main yesterday for $hit$ and giggles and the first two episode III tidbits they had posted were:

1) Some english actor that I never heard of and who is not even in Episode III commenting on the recent title rumor saying how stupid it sounds and how the other PT titles are just as stupid

2) A link to a Toronto Star articlle bashing Lucas and Ep III

They aren't even subtle anymore with their PT hatred. It's an incredible stance for a website devoted to SW. It is an insult to most fans who actually well, you know.......like the PT (gasp) that they call themselves a fan site.

DarthAnakin

04-07-2004, 07:59 PM

Now that StarWars.Com makes you pay for almost all the information on there, TheForce.Net is gotta be up there as one of the best sites. Especially for epIII updates and spoilers!!!

Ripley the Warmaster

04-07-2004, 11:49 PM

but the boards are likely to die on ya.

Sluggo

04-08-2004, 06:29 AM

I used to do the TFN, heck they even hosted some of my stuff, ie:
http://www.theforce.net/episode1/hidden/hi...f_page_02.shtml (http://www.theforce.net/episode1/hidden/hidden_stuff_page_02.shtml)
but now it is JediNet and T-bone. Somethings justwrong over at TF.N A great disturbance perhaps.

sidious618

04-12-2004, 01:59 PM

I go there so I can post my fan fiction. That's mostly it. I don't like the people that run it but not all of the people that post are bad.

Commander Andersen

04-14-2004, 09:59 AM

not bad, but a bit crowded

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif

Blizzard

04-14-2004, 10:07 AM

I have tried to join there three times, they have deleted me every time.

T-bone

04-14-2004, 04:23 PM

Well, you are a troublemaker.

Blizzard

04-14-2004, 04:46 PM

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

kopernikuz

04-14-2004, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Meche@Mar 18 2004, 11:57 AM
(Someone sent me this link.)

http://boards.theforce.net/The_Senate_Floo...0/11044421/?260 (http://boards.theforce.net/The_Senate_Floor/b10320/11044421/?260)

"If you are healthy, no asthma or anything like that, second hand smoke is harmless."

?
Harmless or no, I don't want to smell it when I'm eating my dinner... and it DOES make me short of breath when in close proximity... I'm mildly asthmatic, but not to the point of needing an inhaler.

Best quote on the smoking issue ever:

"Do you mind if I smoke?"

"Why no, do you mind if I fart?"

-Steve Martin

DarthAnakin

04-16-2004, 01:56 AM

I like how theforce.net updates absolutely everything star wars related. From Star Wars action figures, coventions, video game updates, epIII updates, to fan art, the force.net has it all!!!

PessemistPanaka

04-19-2004, 11:13 PM

You know, that site just conitnues to be the Martin Prince of the Star Wars community. All the honor and glory goes to this man right here's site. Never see him posting pics way back of Grievous looking like a Darth Vader rip off toy from Guam. They will report anything and their message boards are BOARD-ING. Seems like a few pinheads posting the same topics re-stated. I post one asking if we will see Grievous smoking cigarettes and the pansies go crazy. Anyone else notice the white-breadedness of TFN or am I crazy or are both true?

Like I sez...YAWN.

Keep up the good work T'Bone. You're a Sonny, not a Fredo.

T-bone

04-19-2004, 11:28 PM

LOL!!!

I think we gotta move this to the current TFN thread though.

Thanks for the good words.
Just always be respectful here and there'll never be a prob.
Welcome.

PessemistPanaka

04-19-2004, 11:38 PM

Word. I've been a reader sice 98. Not a big poster. I used to use the handle Stanley Swerliss, but he died in an unfortunate hand-truck accident.

JediBendu

04-20-2004, 04:16 AM

Originally posted by PessemistPanaka@Apr 20 2004, 02:13 AM
I post one asking if we will see Grievous smoking cigarettes and the pansies go crazy.
you should have a chat to Darth Darthy about finding the 'source' for that style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Darth Darthy

04-20-2004, 07:41 AM

I believe this is 100% proof that Grievous is a heavy smoker. Eat that for an exclusive scoop TFN!

Kent

04-22-2004, 10:32 PM

Today's headline news-

Dennis Lawson talks Star Wars

SWen Direct talk Clone Wars

Rena Owen talks Taun We

TFN talks sense

Kent

04-23-2004, 12:18 PM

there's something i haven't understood about TF.N

I notice there are several VIPs. with red names. Some are famous authors/film personalities like Stackpole or Anthony Daniels

But there are others whom i dont recognize. Are they also
film/tvpersonalities/politicians in real life behind that screen name or are they ordinary people?

T-bone

04-23-2004, 12:46 PM

probably mods.

Ripley the Warmaster

04-24-2004, 08:04 PM

most old mods are VIPs, except for ones who ask to be made normal users.

T-bone

06-07-2004, 05:17 PM

http://boards.theforce.net/Episode_III_(Sp...31/16076044/?68 (http://boards.theforce.net/Episode_III_(Spoilers_Allowed)/b10331/16076044/?68)

Notice how no one brings up the possibility that perhaps they don't HAVE any more info?

Ripley the Warmaster

06-08-2004, 12:01 AM

Good commentary on that T'bone. Plus in YJCC there have been a bunch of liberal bashing threads lately.

T-bone

06-08-2004, 12:49 AM

YJCC

eh?
I love how people think everyone knows all the fanboy acronyms style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Clara

06-08-2004, 08:46 AM

<span style='color:#7000CC'>So T, you don't understand KAJSU? Or KDDF? Or VicFF? I thought everyone knew them. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

They certainly don't cater for those who aren't in the know, that's for sure. Takes a while to work out what everything is. They need a list of what every acronym is over there.

By the way, what is the YJCC?</span>

Ripley the Warmaster

06-08-2004, 01:29 PM

<span style='color:orange'>My mistake. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif It's Your Jedi Council Community, the largest forum there. Basically their version of the Life Forum here, except it's way more spammy.</span>

T-bone

06-09-2004, 04:19 PM

http://boards.theforce.net/Episode_III_(Sp...076044/p18/?448 (http://boards.theforce.net/Episode_III_(Spoilers_Allowed)/b10331/16076044/p18/?448)

I'm diassapointed in the new direction TFN has had to take because of Lucasfilm - the OS has essentially become the old TFN + $. Which I guess, means we should actually be flattered, but for some reason, I'm frustrated.

Is FanForce next?

Josh

Um....wow.

Luvinna

06-09-2004, 04:46 PM

Is that guy really comparing TFN to sw.com? Saying that sw.com copied TFN? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

T-bone

06-09-2004, 04:46 PM

Yes.

"That guy" is also Josh, one of the main staff members.

I don't know about you but I've never ever thought of those two sites as anything similar. The amount of ego dripping off that post could turn Coruscant into Kamino.

Amazing.

Luvinna

06-09-2004, 05:01 PM

Yeah, I realized who that was when I clicked the link after making my post. I used to go to TFN, way back in the day before there was sw.com. But, come on. You can't compare the two sites now. TFN is a rumor/fan site gone corporate while sw.com is the SW site; the only place to get official information about the Saga.

Darth Holmes

06-09-2004, 07:11 PM

The amount of ego dripping off that post could turn Coruscant into Kamino.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

I never could stand the message boards over there. Page after page of off-topic banter and mostly unintelligent remarks.

And TF.N isn't even that great of a source for information anymore. Unless you like the fact that they report every single lame rumor that no-life fan boys e-mail them with or the updates about the off Broadway careers of little known star wars extras. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

T-bone

06-09-2004, 07:18 PM

I dunno - maybe I'm just at a loss for words when I think that these guys have the stones to think that sw.com is a clone of themselves...plus a pricetag.

I mean - what??

Darth Holmes

06-09-2004, 07:43 PM

No kidding. I think a little reality check might be in order.

Ripley the Warmaster

06-09-2004, 08:12 PM

I've never thought TFN was like the offical site. That makes no sense to say TOS copied TFN.

Jjm3233

06-09-2004, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Darth Holmes@Jun 9 2004, 04:43 PM
No kidding. I think a little reality check might be in order.
A little reality check? I wonder if the nice guys in white coats aren't in order.

Clara

06-15-2004, 09:13 AM

Sniper Wolf the WarmasterMy mistake. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif It's Your Jedi Council Community, the largest forum there. Basically their version of the Life Forum here, except it's way more spammy.

Ah, okay. I rarely venture out of my normal areas on the JC, which are Fan Fiction, the EU Community, and the Victorian Fan Force. I really need to look around more there. Problem is, that site takes forever to load when you're on a 56k modem.

Ripley the Warmaster

06-15-2004, 03:33 PM

<span style='color:blue'>You post at EU Community? Odd, that's the forum I post there the most. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif</span>

Clara

06-17-2004, 09:12 AM

I usually stick to the KDFU though, that's it.

Ripley the Warmaster

06-24-2004, 11:40 AM

<span style='color:blue'>So TFN has very much crediblity? (http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/tfn.cgi?storyID=24240) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif Good work for posting this.</span>

T-bone

06-24-2004, 11:46 AM

like i said - they make it a habit of just blindly posting things with no homework.
hey, whatever sells, man.

Ripley the Warmaster

07-23-2004, 01:55 AM

Should I laugh or puke? (http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/16469270/?37) I don't get how a Star Wars fan can hate Lucas.

Dutch

09-06-2004, 08:40 AM

I was just reading back through this thread and saw a reference to that initial drawing of Grevious that they posted way back when. Remember the one that looked exactly like Vader with white stormtrooper armor? Looking back now that is probably the most ridiculous thing they ever posted.

That just goes to show you how trustworthy their reports are.

Ripley the Warmaster

09-13-2004, 01:41 AM

<span style='color:blue'>I have entered the group of "I hate TFN and will not go to their site under any reasons" people. I notice my stress is down a bit from not posting there. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif</span>

James

09-30-2004, 03:14 AM

Yea I haven't been there for months.

The forum's way too big, there are gajillions of redundant threads, they encourage you to believe something they've made up and the mods have huge egos about the size of Death Stars.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

Ripley the Warmaster

10-01-2004, 06:42 PM

<span style='color:blue'>I was reading on a site about how their's this big argument over a person not getting his icons loaded, and he's making a big deal out of it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif </span>

bluemilk

10-01-2004, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@Jun 9 2004, 12:19 PM
http://boards.theforce.net/Episode_III_(Sp...076044/p18/?448 (http://boards.theforce.net/Episode_III_(Spoilers_Allowed)/b10331/16076044/p18/?448)

I'm diassapointed in the new direction TFN has had to take because of Lucasfilm - the OS has essentially become the old TFN + $. Which I guess, means we should actually be flattered, but for some reason, I'm frustrated.

Is FanForce next?

Josh

Um....wow.
Quoted post

*LMFAO* style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/chortle.gif holy crap! I almost spit coffee all over my computer screen! I cannot believe that he would say that and mean it!

Ripley the Warmaster

10-02-2004, 11:55 PM

Bluemilk, he does. I don't know why anyone posts there anymore.

James

10-04-2004, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Jul 23 2004, 04:55 PM
Should I laugh or puke? (http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/16469270/?37) I don't get how a Star Wars fan can hate Lucas.
Quoted post

I hate it when so called SW fans start bashing GL. OK there are some things I don't like about SW, especially TPM and AOTC but that doesn't mean I absolutely hate him. I can barely comprehend to think what life would be like without the GS to fall back on.
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wave.gif

Sabre

10-05-2004, 05:59 AM

What I was going to say about TF.N, Leiafan said it best....Heaven Bless Leiafan.

"I don't see how a Star Wars fan can hate Lucas"

Most threw a fit when NSync had a chance of being in AOTC....they flipped and went out of their minds, and practically sent the poor man death threats.

"WTF was George Lucas thinking?"

Probably the possibility of showing the real world, generally, what men really should stand for? Honor, truth, sensitivity, courage, morality, decency and love for humanity, which NSync has always done?

T-bone

10-05-2004, 10:31 AM

Dissent is ok and healthy - I'm sure no one over there "hates" Lucas and nor do I. I do however challenge some of his decisions at times and am free to express my disappointment with some things, as you'll see in my upcoming DVD review.

TFN however seem to have something else going on...they've always felt that the official site has basically stolen everything from them somehow or copied them or something.

*shrug*

Sabre

10-05-2004, 06:39 PM

All in all, I believe the place seems to be a mindless clique...

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grouphug.gif

Pretty tight knit, hypocritical, airheaded, egotistical, talking gibberish....

Heaven forbid anyone come into their world who's deep, sensitive, insightful, has a gifted insight, and has an impeccable talent for speculation.

Dark Spork

11-02-2004, 01:34 PM

So Josh Griffin has officialy resigned (http://www.theforce.net/episode3/index.shtml#25096)... Thoughts? Comments? Mockery?

James T. Skywalker

11-02-2004, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Dark Spork@Nov 2 2004, 10:34 AM
So Josh Griffin has officialy resigned (http://www.theforce.net/episode3/index.shtml#25096)... Thoughts? Comments? Mockery?
Quoted post

Good ridance? No, that's a little harsh.

I think that T'bone's latest blog sums up quite a few of my feelings on the "inestimable" Joshua Griffin.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

~JTS

JediJaina

11-02-2004, 02:24 PM

Until I read that today, I hadn't been to TFN in about 2-3 years.

Same ol'...same 'ol

Ripley the Warmaster

11-21-2004, 02:08 AM

I love T's blog on Josh. Too true.

DarthAnakin

11-24-2004, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by JediJaina@Nov 2 2004, 01:24 PM
Until I read that today, I hadn't been to TFN in about 2-3 years.

Same ol'...same 'ol
Quoted post

I hadn't been to tf.n for about 18 months, hmmmm maybe I should check out whats new.

Bryan

12-03-2004, 07:33 PM

Haha. I like how TFN reveals their new site design and everyone thinks it's crap. And it is.

The Bandit

12-03-2004, 08:33 PM

Fugly.

bluemilk

12-03-2004, 09:54 PM

^you stole my word! shameless! *gasp*

The Bandit

12-04-2004, 03:53 AM

^

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

-- 2bq

Ripley the Warmaster

12-04-2004, 09:35 PM

<span style='color:red'>That site design is the biggest piece of crap I've seen. Despite the quality of the site, I liked how it was set up. Now, style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/barf.gif </span>

bluemilk

12-04-2004, 10:05 PM

the site isn't bad, it's just full of junk. the design is actually well thought out. I hate TF.N but I'm not going to dog the effort. better than what I can do that's 'fersure.

Darth Rebelo

12-04-2004, 11:26 PM

I must say that, despite my um misgivings about TF.N, I think the new layout is pretty cool. It's definitly better than the drab layout that they had before.

T-bone

12-30-2004, 12:22 PM

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/R..._Peek_88634.asp (http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/Return_of_Pink_Five_Sneak_Peek_88634.asp)

Ooooh - get a TFN shirt!

Darth Darthy

12-30-2004, 01:46 PM

No thanks. Who would want one of them anyway?

Dark Spork

01-03-2005, 01:05 AM

I like the new design. It's not the great thing ever, but it's a definite step up from the last one. Face it, no one looks to SW fandom, or TFN, for cutting edge design. And lord, did I hate those fugly banners they used to have.

IF TFN was really smart they could have gone to some of the web design / standards bloggers and started up some kind of design contest. A lot of those folks would do it for free, just for exposure and the sake of getting web standards out and about. Hell, I'd do it, if I had the time to bother with standards and didn't have a site of my own to redesign.

But still... the new TFN is an improvment. I can't believe how much whining there is on their forum about it being fixed-width, though. Plenty of pro-run sites do. (http://www.stylegala.com/) And the main thing is that the content is neatly arranged and doesn't make your eyes bleed, like some sites (http://www.aintitcoolnews.com) I could mention.