Hayden vs. Mark Hamill [Archive] - The Galactic Senate

Darth Vegas

10-16-2003, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Vibroblade@Oct 16 2003, 06:48 PM
In particular his was good at being bad which I hope means that his performance in Episode III will be stellar. I just didn't care for his romantic portrayl but that could have been the fault of GL. Not that I hated all of the love scenes but I did feel that was where he was the weakest.
I agree with that. I thought he did a good job other than that, especially the Tusken Massacre and the following confession.

Vibroblade

10-17-2003, 12:01 AM

TK-007<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with that. I thought he did a good job other than that, especially the Tusken Massacre and the following confession.[/b][/quote]

Yea, that's my thoughts as well.

Justin

10-17-2003, 12:05 AM

I disagree, I thought his performance in the scene where he told everything to Padme was awful. It was so ridiculously melodramatic. And he would contort his face nad then go back to his standard blank no-expression look.

I saw better performances in my high school drama classes.

Vibroblade

10-17-2003, 12:11 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I saw better performances in my high school drama classes.[/b][/quote]

Private school? j/k

To each his own I guess but I absolutely love that scene.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 12:55 AM

What Justin, were you playing hookey? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Mann

10-17-2003, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by Javen+Oct 17 2003, 12:06 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Javen @ Oct 17 2003, 12:06 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Oct 16 2003, 06:25 PM
Mark Hamill is a good actor, and he did a good job in all of the Star Wars movies.* Hayden Christensen sucked ass as Anakin Skywalker.
How can he suck as Anakin when you have never seen Anakin before. Except as a 10 year old and a spirit in ROTJ. I don't think he sucked at all considering you have nothing to compare him to. [/b][/quote]
So, how can we judge anyone? I mean, I could say Hayden was bad, but its not because he was being compared to anyone, he was just bad. He;s not a bad actor, he just played a bad role.

Mann

10-17-2003, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by Justin@Oct 17 2003, 03:05 AM
I disagree, I thought his performance in the scene where he told everything to Padme was awful. It was so ridiculously melodramatic. And he would contort his face nad then go back to his standard blank no-expression look.

I saw better performances in my high school drama classes.
Justin, we must have the same brain. IT WAS MELODRAMTIC! Its a scene that improbable and entirely plotridden.

And if people think that this movie had good performances besides Ewan, they are living in a fantasy world.

goodwije

10-17-2003, 01:42 AM

Actualy we know all three (Natalie, Hayden, Ewan) are better actors than these movies give them the chance to be. It is meant to be that way somewhat, these are not actor driven movies but story driven movies.

Hamil got lucky in the OT as the best scenes he got to play off of Harrison Ford. The prequels do not really have that laugh in the face of death humor, i am not sure why. They totally lack the Han/Leia type characters. It is that less than any one actors problems that hurt the movies. That and many of the scenes are just not believable, i think that is in how they are written not in the actors.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Mann@Oct 16 2003, 08:14 PM
And if people think that this movie had good performances besides Ewan, they are living in a fantasy world.
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif I must not be a person than.

Justin

10-17-2003, 01:45 AM

I think Mark Hamill's best moments were with Yoda. Especially since he couldn't hear anything Frank Oz was saying.

goodwije

10-17-2003, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by Justin@Oct 16 2003, 11:45 PM
I think Mark Hamill's best moments were with Yoda. Especially since he couldn't hear anything Frank Oz was saying.
I love the Yoda scenes, but not because of Mark Hamil, he is whiney and defeatist through the entire scenario. Again that is what he was supposed to be, how it was written. Yoda is such a strong character and like nothing ever seen before, but your right this is when Hamil really started to come into his own, he was able to convey emotion without over stating and limited dialoge. HEY maybe all this has to do with the director? big shock style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

Justin

10-17-2003, 01:55 AM

None of the dialogue is limiting in ESB. That movie has the best dialogue in the entire saga so far.

goodwije

10-17-2003, 02:01 AM

By limited i meant less. In ANH GL seemed he wanted to speak constantly not trusting the actors or audience to be able to translate the scene on thier own. Kershner stepped back a little and the scenes flowed better because of it, he realized that sometimes a stronger point can be made without saying as much.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 02:22 AM

GL's always been like that, not giving much direction, and the actors have often complained about it, probably learned it from Kershner who was his teacher and mentor in film school.

Justin

10-17-2003, 02:29 AM

Actually, you're wrong, if anything Lucas gives too much direction.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 02:45 AM

Actually I'm not wrong. The actors have said as much about Lucas many times, and I'm not just talking about Star Wars.

I specifically recall Richard Dreyfuss complaining about that.

Ewan's comments about the Prequels have come across like that too.

goodwije

10-17-2003, 02:56 AM

GL doesn't give much direction he wants the movie to be exactly whats on the page.

Irvin doesn't give much direction because he wants to find out how the actor senses the scene.

Both are prolly a pain in the butt for the actors but Kershner get better results.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 03:03 AM

Well, that's all a matter of opinion. I think if I were to say what the best Star Wars film was it's definitely the original.

Lucas' technique would probably work better if it weren't for all the bluescreen and the actors never knowing what to expect, I've heard comments from David Prowse and Peter Mayhew saying they had the same basic problems with the Original Star Wars, they never knew exactly what to expect, alot of it had to do with the secrecy around the set, they didn't want anything leaking, so even the actors didn't always know exactly what was going on, or what the final product was going to be like.

Luckily for Episode 3 the actors have video animatics readily available when they shot their scenes so they'll have a much better sense of what the final product will look like, I think it'll work out better this time for them.

goodwije

10-17-2003, 03:14 AM

Oh i love ANH don't get me wrong. It was also made in the late 70's though. The right move, IMO of course, would have been to bring in someone else to direct the PT. Movie making has changed and evolved so much in the last 20 years. I dont hate any of the movies, i just feel they could have been more. And i agree that GL and technology are both getting so much better that this movie will be easier on the actors and therefore a better final product.

Mann

10-17-2003, 04:48 AM

Originally posted by Justin@Oct 17 2003, 05:29 AM
Actually, you're wrong, if anything Lucas gives too much direction.
actually, looking at the scenes, he directs more in the editing rom and visual effects departemnt then during shooting.

so in a way Javen's right. Look at the extraneous CGI. The director obviously consents to it.

as an actor on film, directors usually go ino long detailed rehearsals abot what the scenes will be like and how to play them. This isn't Star Wars, which is written 5 days before shooting and begins and results are obvious.

that was primarliy Hayden's problem. No adequate time for preparation. He had no idea what was coming. Portman probably was bored stiff most of the time. Ewan just rethread his character from episode 1, but added spice. Christopher Lee played Christopher Lee.

Javen

10-17-2003, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Mann@Oct 16 2003, 11:14 PM
And if people think that this movie had good performances besides Ewan, they are living in a fantasy world.
hmmm...kind of fitting isn't it? I mean it was a fantasy world. I think Hayden did a good job for his part. It wasn't oscar worty but who cares. It wasn't suppose to be.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 10:40 AM

Neither has any other part in Star Wars been, not even Alec's, even though he was nominated. He was nominated cause' he's Alec, not because it was a really exceptional role for him.

du365

10-17-2003, 11:02 AM

HAydeN sucks very hard.He can't act and now he actually thinks he's an actor.You don't win Razzies because your good by the way.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by du365@Oct 17 2003, 06:02 AM
HAydeN sucks very hard.
Please, don't tell us how you know about that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif

Just kidding.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

BTW, people don't always get an Oscar cause' they're good either.

Mann

10-17-2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 17 2003, 01:40 PM
Neither has any other part in Star Wars been, not even Alec's, even though he was nominated. He was nominated cause' he's Alec, not because it was a really exceptional role for him.
its never the role that gets the actor nominated, its how they portray the role. True, i guess that Alec Guiness' presence in the film speaks alot about it, but How he handled the role with such ease and grace and precision is why he got nominated.

Another Oscarworthy role is James Earl Jones. It is his voice, but he had to mold it to fit the character and so you can tell the dictintion between his voice and Vader's.

Mann

10-17-2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by TK-007+Oct 17 2003, 02:07 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Oct 17 2003, 02:07 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-du365@Oct 17 2003, 06:02 AM
HAydeN sucks very hard.
Please, don't tell us how you know about that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif

Just kidding.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

BTW, people don't always get an Oscar cause' they're good either. [/b][/quote]
name 5.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Mann+Oct 17 2003, 06:11 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Oct 17 2003, 06:11 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 17 2003, 02:07 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-du365@Oct 17 2003, 06:02 AM
HAydeN sucks very hard.
Please, don't tell us how you know about that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif

Just kidding.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

BTW, people don't always get an Oscar cause' they're good either.
name 5. [/b][/quote]
Why stop there?

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Mann@Oct 17 2003, 06:10 AM
Another Oscarworthy role is James Earl Jones. It is his voice, but he had to mold it to fit the character and so you can tell the dictintion between his voice and Vader's.
I think that has more to do with Ben Burtt's added effects after JEJ recorded the dialogue.

Javen

10-17-2003, 11:17 AM

The oscar's are rigged. Uless you're Jack Nicholson or Meryl Streep or even Tom Hanks no one will ever win. I mean look at About Scmidt, my god what a terrible unworthy of an oscar movie, yet people win some oscars.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Javen@Oct 17 2003, 06:17 AM
The oscar's are rigged. Uless you're Jack Nicholson or Meryl Streep or even Tom Hanks no one will ever win. I mean look at About Scmidt, my god what a terrible unworthy of an oscar movie, yet people win some oscars.
I've agreed with alot of Oscar winners, but it's just alot of them were really crap IMO. Like Michael Moore's so called "documentary" and Titanic and alot of other Oscar winners from the past couple decades.

goodwije

10-17-2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by du365@Oct 17 2003, 09:02 AM
HAydeN sucks very hard.He can't act and now he actually thinks he's an actor.You don't win Razzies because your good by the way.
Lawrence Oliviea (sp?)
Arnold Schwartzanegger
Sylvester Stallone
Micheal Cane
Marlon Brando
Will Smith
Adam Sandler

They have all received Razzies (or been nominated)

Greta Garbo
Alfred Hitchcock
Stanley Kubrick
Peter O"toole (although he got an honorary one i think)
Charley Chapman

Never received Oscars, there are lots of modern actors/directers that probably deserve them, but who knows maybe they will receive them someday.

Mann

10-17-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Javen@Oct 17 2003, 02:17 PM
The oscar's are rigged. Uless you're Jack Nicholson or Meryl Streep or even Tom Hanks no one will ever win. I mean look at About Scmidt, my god what a terrible unworthy of an oscar movie, yet people win some oscars.
About Schmidt didn't win any oscars. It actaully only got two nominations.

Mann

10-17-2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by TK-007+Oct 17 2003, 02:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Oct 17 2003, 02:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Oct 17 2003, 06:10 AM
Another Oscarworthy role is James Earl Jones. It is his voice, but he had to mold it to fit the character and so you can tell the dictintion between his voice and Vader's.
I think that has more to do with Ben Burtt's added effects after JEJ recorded the dialogue. [/b][/quote]
alright, that's crap. James Earl Jones is known for his voice, why try and change that? He is talented enough to change his voice, and he probably did that.

Mann

10-17-2003, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by goodwije+Oct 17 2003, 02:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(goodwije @ Oct 17 2003, 02:47 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-du365@Oct 17 2003, 09:02 AM
HAydeN sucks very hard.He can't act and now he actually thinks he's an actor.You don't win Razzies because your good by the way.
Lawrence Oliviea (sp?)
Arnold Schwartzanegger
Sylvester Stallone
Micheal Cane
Marlon Brando
Will Smith
Adam Sandler

They have all received Razzies (or been nominated)

Greta Garbo
Alfred Hitchcock
Stanley Kubrick
Peter O"toole (although he got an honorary one i think)
Charley Chapman

Never received Oscars, there are lots of modern actors/directers that probably deserve them, but who knows maybe they will receive them someday. [/b][/quote]
alright, for one thing Stallone isn't that great. Neither is arnold for that matter.

second, Yeah Kubrick should have won at least won, maybe two. Hitchcock won a special won i think. O'toole did win an honorary last year. Chapman received a special one and refused the rest.

Javen

10-17-2003, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Mann+Oct 17 2003, 09:51 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Oct 17 2003, 09:51 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Javen@Oct 17 2003, 02:17 PM
The oscar's are rigged. Uless you're Jack Nicholson or Meryl Streep or even Tom Hanks no one will ever win. I mean look at About Scmidt, my god what a terrible unworthy of an oscar movie, yet people win some oscars.
About Schmidt didn't win any oscars. It actaully only got two nominations. [/b][/quote]
Whoops, my fault it was the even worse Chicago.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 12:03 PM

About Shmidt didn't even deserve the nominations.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by Mann+Oct 17 2003, 06:52 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Oct 17 2003, 06:52 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 17 2003, 02:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Oct 17 2003, 06:10 AM
Another Oscarworthy role is James Earl Jones. It is his voice, but he had to mold it to fit the character and so you can tell the dictintion between his voice and Vader's.
I think that has more to do with Ben Burtt's added effects after JEJ recorded the dialogue.
alright, that's crap. James Earl Jones is known for his voice, why try and change that? He is talented enough to change his voice, and he probably did that. [/b][/quote]
Mann, it should be plainly obvious due to the slight echo in his vioce, the bit of electronic sound to it and the fact that it sounds muffled by a mask that Ben Burtt added effects to his vioce after he recorded the dialogue.

Just as he did with the stormtroopers, 3po and other masked characters.

Mann

10-17-2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by TK-007+Oct 17 2003, 03:07 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Oct 17 2003, 03:07 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Mann@Oct 17 2003, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 17 2003, 02:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Oct 17 2003, 06:10 AM
Another Oscarworthy role is James Earl Jones. It is his voice, but he had to mold it to fit the character and so you can tell the dictintion between his voice and Vader's.
I think that has more to do with Ben Burtt's added effects after JEJ recorded the dialogue.
alright, that's crap. James Earl Jones is known for his voice, why try and change that? He is talented enough to change his voice, and he probably did that.
Mann, it should be plainly obvious due to the slight echo in his vioce, the bit of electronic sound to it and the fact that it sounds muffled by a mask that Ben Burtt added effects to his vioce after he recorded the dialogue.

Just as he did with the stormtroopers, 3po and other masked characters. [/b][/quote]
they recorded the voice that way. They added later on the breathing (which is out of synch with everything) Other than that, they recorded the voice of Vader as it appears in the film. They rerecorded 3PO in a studio, but not much in the way of effects were needed for those specific voices. Those actors are trained to do what they did. If you could alter their voices, why hire them?

Mann

10-17-2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Javen+Oct 17 2003, 02:59 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Javen @ Oct 17 2003, 02:59 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Mann@Oct 17 2003, 09:51 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Javen@Oct 17 2003, 02:17 PM
The oscar's are rigged.* Uless you're Jack Nicholson or Meryl Streep or even Tom Hanks no one will ever win.* I mean look at About Scmidt, my god what a terrible unworthy of an oscar movie, yet people win some oscars.
About Schmidt didn't win any oscars. It actaully only got two nominations.
Whoops, my fault it was the even worse Chicago. [/b][/quote]
Chicago was fantastic. I don't know why you don't think so.

About Schmidt was good because of Nicholson and Kathy Bates.

The Best movie last year was Adaptation.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 12:37 PM

I'm sorry Mann, but on the vioces, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

It's completely silly to think that those actors could make their vioce echo and sounds electronic on their own, get a grip on reality dude.

Mann

10-17-2003, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 17 2003, 03:37 PM
I'm sorry Mann, but on the vioces, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

It's completely silly to think that those actors could make their vioce echo and sounds electronic on their own, get a grip on reality dude.
I said they can change their voices, but they can be recorded in a room where their voices are changed. not after effects or anything, just a room that echoes.

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 01:06 PM

Mann, let me give you a bit of advice: you might just wanna stick with the Oscar trivia buddy, cause it would appear you don't know much about sound design.

All of those characters vioces , Vader, Boba Fett, 3po, stromtroopers, etc. etc. where modified by Ben Burtt.

Gazelle

10-17-2003, 01:44 PM

Mark Hamill any day over Hayden, although to be fair, Mark had the better director, story and script to work from IMO style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Vibroblade

10-17-2003, 01:48 PM

easy....

Darth Vegas

10-17-2003, 01:54 PM

Sorry not trying to start a flame war or anyhting, just trying to set him straight.

du365

10-17-2003, 02:14 PM

HAydeN Razzies was well-deserved and his career will only get worse.My God he terrible.

goodwije

10-17-2003, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by du365@Oct 17 2003, 12:14 PM
HAydeN Razzies was well-deserved and his career will only get worse.My God he terrible.
You stated that already i am just curous as to what it is you didn't like about his peformance?

Mann

10-17-2003, 04:51 PM

alright Genius,

Show me where it says Ben Burtt designed the voice for Vader. I need a site that flat out says it. Actors CAN do other voices. On the Star Wars site it says he detailed the Sound designe for R2 D2, but i didn't see actors voices being designed.

du365

10-17-2003, 06:52 PM

He was wooden and dry.He look like he was looking at blue screens instead of looking like he was looking at real humans.HAydeN romantic scene with Portman are laughable.HAydeN is a really bad actor.

Obidobi

10-17-2003, 07:51 PM

*AHEM*

PadmeQte

10-24-2003, 03:38 AM

I think Mark was an ok actor. Hayden did ok in this one, but I'm more biased, because Hayden is way hotter than Mark at that age! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif

spaceman2386

10-24-2003, 04:04 AM

Mark did a better job<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">.</span>

Leia

10-24-2003, 09:24 PM

^^hotness doesn't make up for acting skills style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

PadmeQte

10-26-2003, 11:24 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>^^hotness doesn't make up for acting skills style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/b][/quote]

No, but he had my full attention and that's what matters. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Greedo Boy

10-26-2003, 01:07 PM

If that's so, then you should have seen all the flaws in his performance. Mark Hamill is a WAY better actor. Hayden just seems like a melodramatic creep to me. Especially with all that leering and screaming about how he slaughters villagers, hates his mentor, so on and so forth. Mark is the best, hands down. No refutations.

du365

10-27-2003, 01:58 PM

I couldn't argee with you more.HAydeN is a hack "actor" and I use that term loosely.

Mann

10-28-2003, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by Greedo Boy@Oct 26 2003, 05:07 PM
If that's so, then you should have seen all the flaws in his performance. Mark Hamill is a WAY better actor. Hayden just seems like a melodramatic creep to me. Especially with all that leering and screaming about how he slaughters villagers, hates his mentor, so on and so forth. Mark is the best, hands down. No refutations.
Its all depending on Shattered Glass this year to determine whether or not Hayden is a true actor. He doesn't need an oscar or anything (Peter Sarsgaard has the potential though) but he just needs to impress that he isn't just Anakin.

PadmeQte

10-29-2003, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Greedo Boy@Oct 26 2003, 12:07 PM
If that's so, then you should have seen all the flaws in his performance. Mark Hamill is a WAY better actor. Hayden just seems like a melodramatic creep to me. Especially with all that leering and screaming about how he slaughters villagers, hates his mentor, so on and so forth. Mark is the best, hands down. No refutations.
Sorry, but I was too busy focusing on Hayden's smile and lost all train of thought. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

True, his acting needs to be improved, but when he delivered the quote in my siggy, it went into my top 10 romantic things to say to a woman of all time(even if I do think he's going to lose his mind in E III)

Leia

10-29-2003, 11:15 PM

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif You thought that was romantic? I just thought it was creepy and rehearsed sounding...

Justin

10-30-2003, 12:17 AM

Yes, it was very creepy. I think if I said that to a girl she would never ever talk to me again.

PadmeQte

10-30-2003, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by Leia@Oct 29 2003, 10:15 PM
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif You thought that was romantic? I just thought it was creepy and rehearsed sounding...
If it would of been a crazy stalker, then yeah, but just how heartfelt it was said at the time impressed me, and yet, I still think that he's going to lose his mind by EIII over her death, I just have a hunch*shrug*

PadmeQte

10-30-2003, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by Justin@Oct 29 2003, 11:17 PM
Yes, it was very creepy.* I think if I said that to a girl she would never ever talk to me again.
Probably because you'd be on the phone breathing hard or hiding behind a bush while you were saying it, totally different situation. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Gendi

10-30-2003, 08:08 PM

When I watch ANH now, I try not to notice the acting too much. Some is rather funny. BUT, staying to the topic (and this may have been said) Mark Hamill may have been a bit better because he had a brand new character to portray. Hayden has had to become a character that is already well known and (in a strange way) loved. It's like when a new person takes over a role on a TV show. You can't help but notice the differences. Hayden had to become the third (or forth or fifith if you want to be technical) to play this character. I am no actor, but that seems like it would be rather difficult.

du365

11-03-2003, 05:48 AM

That no excuse to turn out a garbage performance.HAydeN just can't cut it.

T-bone

11-03-2003, 03:44 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/....markhamill.ap/ (http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/03/theater.markhamill.ap/)

Gazelle

11-03-2003, 06:04 PM

For me, Mark Hamill can do no wrong. He's a brilliant guy and was the face of Star Wars for over 20 years.

Gendi

11-03-2003, 07:46 PM

I don't know why one has to be better than the other. I think Hayden was ok, I think Hamill was probably better. But I still think it's more difficult to take over a role that's been known for so long. I don't think Star Wars are the type of movies going for Shakespearean type acting...which is fine with me b/c I don't like most Shakespeare.

Leia

11-03-2003, 08:07 PM

Shakespeare is cool. I don't quite get your analogy. I mean, anyone filling a Shakespearean role has to take on a character that's been known for hundreds of years! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif And alot of Shakespearean acting is kind of stiff which is how Hayden came across style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Gendi

11-03-2003, 10:57 PM

I didn't mean to relate the Shakespearean thing to Hayden exactly...but to Star Wars in general. Just that while the actors themselves are typically good (and I know some probably have some Shakespearean or similar exp.), I don't want to watch Star Wars and feel like I am listening to Hamlet. Does that make sense? Probably not. I know what I am trying to say but it's not coming out right style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif.
Basically, I know all the actors put their all into it, I don't think I could do it, and I respect all of them for at least trying.

Justin

11-03-2003, 11:31 PM

For one thing, I don't think there is such a thing as "Shakespeareean acting," but I've seen fantastic acting to Shakespeare's plays, there was nothing "stiff" about it.

Gendi

11-03-2003, 11:55 PM

Well I've always heard things like "He's a trained Shakesperean actor" and such...but I've no idea where it first came from.

Leia

11-04-2003, 08:04 PM

Justin, I didn't say always! But sometimes the language makes it that way

PadmeQte

11-06-2003, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Gazelle@Nov 3 2003, 05:04 PM
For me, Mark Hamill can do no wrong. He's a brilliant guy and was the face of Star Wars for over 20 years.
I agree with that. It's kinda sad when I see him doing parodies of Luke or whatever on film or shows, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do.

I do believe that Hayden deserves a break, like someone said earlier, he took on a role that even if he had said every line perfect, he was going to get blasted. But I do think that he will be better in E III.

Leia

11-06-2003, 04:16 PM

He had better be style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

Justin

11-06-2003, 05:31 PM

You said it, sistah.

Leia

11-06-2003, 07:53 PM

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Mark Skywalker

04-09-2005, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by du365@Oct 16 2003, 10:33 AM
Who did a better job acting in the Star Wars saga.
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Revan

04-10-2005, 06:41 PM

I disagree with most of you.I think Mark Hamill sucked because he seemed not being in his place for the first 2 ep.His acting improved progresively,but in ANH he was awful.Because of his acting I don't like Luke very much.I didn't expect him to compare with Harrison Ford,but not that gap between them...
Hayden did a good performance,if you ask me.He seemed troubled all the time,at a step of falling to the dark side.I see Anakin at this stage of his life being very insecure(afterall,in ep.2 he takes the decisive step that will lead him to the dark side,eventually).And Hayden's acting showed someone who thaught he was handling the situation just fine,but who,for everyone else,was failing not in training,but in life.I have to agree that he sucked in the romantic scenes,but those sucked entirely,not just him.

borgmatrix

04-10-2005, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Revan@Apr 10 2005, 09:41 PM
I disagree with most of you.I think Mark Hamill sucked because he seemed not being in his place for the first 2 ep.His acting improved progresively,but in ANH he was awful.Because of his acting I don't like Luke very much.I didn't expect him to compare with Harrison Ford,but not that gap between them...
I don't think Hamill sucked, but I did find him kind of bland and uninteresting in the first two movies. In ROTJ, we saw a much more confident Luke. And, there was a bit of arrogance in him. That made Luke more interesting to watch and I think gave Hamill something to work with.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Hayden did a good performance,if you ask me.He seemed troubled all the time,at a step of falling to the dark side.I see Anakin at this stage of his life being very insecure(afterall,in ep.2 he takes the decisive step that will lead him to the dark side,eventually).And Hayden's acting showed someone who thaught he was handling the situation just fine,but who,for everyone else,was failing not in training,but in life.* [/b][/quote]
I thought Hayden did a great job with the barely contained rage of the character. I also appreciated that he limited his vocal range, which fits with what we hear from Vader in the OT. This is what I think is misinterpreted as stiffness or wooden-ness. IMO, he made a conscious decision to play it that way. And I'm positive I remember him saying as much in an interview. Vader wasn't charismatic vocally. I'm not going to say he was monotone exactly, but he didn't display much range. That's what Hayden was going for. And I think it fits with the character.

My only complaint is the whininess that came up at times ("It's all Obi-wan's fault!"). That, though, is more of an issue with the dialogue. And I think it's also the overriding issue with the romantic scenes as well, as opposed to problems with Hayden or Natalie.

I expect that Hayden will do a solid job in ROTS, and if so, I'd pick him over Mark. And really, it's not due to Mark being bad, but Anakin being a more interesting character and Hayden having more to work with.

Greedo Boy

04-10-2005, 07:00 PM

Mark Hamill's a better actor by far.

metalhead

04-10-2005, 08:26 PM

mark was fairly bad in ANH but got better as the movies went on and he expanded the character
hayden isnt up to par w/ portman or ewan ....but i think theyre 2 of the best "new" actors out there. hayden does understand the character well and i like him as ani ...some parts that fall short arnt haydens fault like the dialouge or the love story that seemed rushed. i still think he did an ok job

Sanae

04-10-2005, 08:29 PM

I think any comparison is unfair. They are two very different people with different roles and very different acting styles.

Mark Hamill's work in SW kept increasing its quality as the caracther developed. I think that Mr Hamill's acting grew stronger very much the same way that Luke's control of the Force kept improving. Both the actor and the character became gradually more confident and IMO, Mr Hamill delivered very well indeed.

Hayden Christensen, however, had a very difficult role. He was repraising the role of a 10 year old kid and had a handful of minutes for us to see how much he had changed and how much he had grown up. Very much the same time-frame that he himself had to prove to Padmé that he was no longer the little boy she used to know. Then he had to remind us of the whinnying kid Luke was when we first meet him just to change into a more mature man in love with a woman and facing a huge dilemma of choosing between love and duty. IMO, Hayden did a good job taking in consideration how difficult it was for him to go through so many changes...

I expect him to be even better in EpIII...by now, he's probably a lot more comfortable with the character.

But hey, that's only my opinion! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

isabelle

04-10-2005, 08:47 PM

Mark Hammil is a lot better, IMO.

borgmatrix

04-10-2005, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Sanae@Apr 10 2005, 11:29 PM
But hey, that's only my opinion! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
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I agree with it. Good points. I never really thought a lot about how much was handed to him to pull off.

Javen

04-10-2005, 10:41 PM

They both have done just fine to me.

StarDestroyer

04-10-2005, 11:08 PM

ok, in ANH, hamill is all young and whinney, and ROTJ, hes very quite and very annoying/ugly. but in ESB, i think he is awesome. of course, hayden sucks in AOTC. BIG TIME.

RebelRoss0587

04-11-2005, 03:21 PM

You always gotta go with Vader.

Leiafan

04-11-2005, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by StarDestroyer@Apr 10 2005, 09:08 PM
ok, in ANH, hamill is all young and whinney, and ROTJ, hes very quite and very annoying/ugly. but in ESB, i think he is awesome.

Never mind that he's about twice as whiny in ESB as he is in ANH.

But we're not supposed to notice that, because the holy ESB is perfect in every respect.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>of course, hayden sucks in AOTC. BIG TIME.
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I completely disagree. I think Hayden was terrific in AOTC, especially considering everything he had to do. He wasn't perfect by any means, and had some awkward moments, but he really tried, and he really cared about the part.

jamaica81

04-12-2005, 01:09 AM

I recently watched AOTC and thought that Hayden did a great job doing exactly what GL wanted him to do...i just don't like young Anakin too much...young whiny Luke is amusing to me for some reason...maybe because he was sooo bad...it crossed the line into humorous tolerance on my part...and Hayden was good enough to grate my nerves...

Tony

04-12-2005, 04:42 AM

I'd just like to add my voice to the Hayden appreciation brigade.

It has been clear to me from the start that people's criticisms of Christensen's performance had more to do with the fact that they were looking to see a young Darth Vader not a frustrated, troubled and yes, petulant Anakin Skywalker.

Christensen played the roll as he was directed to play it, as GL wanted the character portrayed at that stage in his life. If the character doesn't appeal to you, or indeed if it doesn't parse with how you imagined him thats fine. But lets stop havin' a go at the actor, he done a terrific job. And don't worry the petulance and whininess will be all but gone in EP III and the young Darth Vader will finally emerge.

As to who is better Hammil or Christensen!? Truthfully I think Christensen has a far greater range as an actor than Hammil does. Which is not to say that Mark is bad, I always felt that the criticisms which he recieved were harsh and, for the most part, unfounded. Mark Hammil like Hayden Christensen plays the roll he's given very well.

Thank You!

empire21

04-12-2005, 11:26 AM

There both good

GeneralDirection

04-12-2005, 11:52 AM

Hmm ... I'm going to reserve judgement on this until I've seen RotS, I think. I was very impressed with Hayden in AotC, he really threw himself into it and he's incredible at acting with his eyes. I think Mark Hamill is never given enough credit for taking Luke on the character arc that he does, from whiny teenager to conflicted young man to mature Jedi Knight. He's terrific in RotJ - in that movie I find Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher to be generally very disappointing, but Hamill really carries that episode. I'll wait until after RotS before deciding. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

lordmakalpine

04-12-2005, 07:33 PM

Hayden style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif

Leiafan

04-13-2005, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by GeneralDirection@Apr 12 2005, 09:52 AM
Hmm ... I'm going to reserve judgement on this until I've seen RotS, I think. I was very impressed with Hayden in AotC, he really threw himself into it and he's incredible at acting with his eyes. I think Mark Hamill is never given enough credit for taking Luke on the character arc that he does, from whiny teenager to conflicted young man to mature Jedi Knight. He's terrific in RotJ - in that movie I find Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher to be generally very disappointing, but Hamill really carries that episode. I'll wait until after RotS before deciding. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
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Agreed totally. I think Mark gave a very good performance in ROTJ, while his two co-stars didn't even care anymore.

Mark is a better actor than he generally gets credit for, though IMO his strength is in comedy, not drama. He was terrific as the Joker in the Batman Animated Series, and I've seen comedic bits here and there where he's been very funny.

IMO both Mark and Hayden have been unfairly dissed.

Bretsch

04-13-2005, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by RebelRoss0587@Apr 11 2005, 01:21 PM
You always gotta go with Vader.
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stylo

04-13-2005, 11:54 AM

I think they both did what they were supposed to do. A lot of people think Hayden's performance in AOTC was quite wooden, but I could really feel the anger and hate building up in his performance, especially from the look in his eyes. Don't worry, there will be people who will probably dislike his performance in ROTS as well, but it's all opinion anyway. I just happen to like his portrayal of Anakin, however nobody touches Ewan and Ian in my opinion. I feel that they are the two best actors in the PT. Oh yeah, and SLJ. But anyway, back on topic. Mark Hamill's performance was also fine with me. I think it's a tie.

lovelucas

04-13-2005, 06:42 PM

HAYDEN even before Rots -

i thought mark was pretty amateur (which he was) in ANH but his skills grew with each episode. the visuals and music behind his big moments in ANH helped his performance quite a bit.

hayden came to the prequels with experience and it showed. there's just a lot going on there that we didn't even know about when AotC was first viewed...still had major impact with me. and from what i've seen of RotS hayden is going to be remembered as THE consummate darth vader before and after the turn.

sure wish he was going to be at C3. and where the heck are mark, carrie and anthony? can't fit us on their dance card?

Mark Skywalker

04-13-2005, 10:22 PM

Ok, I liked Hayden he's a good actor, And he looked cool as Anakin Skywalker in AOTC, But the lines they gave him in AOTC made me dislike him, He was such a winy Brat That I couldn't stand watching him complain about not being a Jedi Kinght. And how Obi-Wan & the Jedi are unfair to him And his secret crush on Padme etc.... I read The novel of Episode III, And Anakin has improved, So I believe
Hayden will be good.

Mark in ANH was a bit winy too in the begining , but was prefect the rest of the movie. Mark just Is Luke Skywalker he played the role well, In EBS He was great and a very stong leader, But in ROTJ He was unbelievable both he and Luke showed sgins of maturity. That he became my Favorite in The STAR WARS universe.

So I like Luke more than Anakin, And I always will. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

THE SON RULES. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/victory.gif

Leiafan

04-14-2005, 01:51 AM

I like Luke better too, but then I think we're supposed to like Luke better. He's the hero, the one who turns away from the Dark Side, the unselfish one. Anakin is the one who turns to the Dark Side, who throws away everything in his quest for power.

stylo

04-14-2005, 09:32 AM

I gotta give Hayden props for all the hard work he's done for the saber duels too. They are a lot more intense than the OT.

Master Magnus

04-14-2005, 10:03 AM

I must say, that based on his performance in AOTC, that Hayden did a really, really good job. I can't decide which one the best, so I'll call it a draw. Hamill was very good in TESB, but was a bit flat in ROTJ.

AMG

04-14-2005, 01:50 PM

I can't really give an honest answer until I see Ep3.

Leiafan

04-14-2005, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Master Magnus@Apr 14 2005, 08:03 AM
I must say, that based on his performance in AOTC, that Hayden did a really, really good job. I can't decide which one the best, so I'll call it a draw. Hamill was very good in TESB, but was a bit flat in ROTJ.

I actually thought he was better in ROTJ than in ESB.

borgmatrix

04-14-2005, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Leiafan@Apr 14 2005, 06:48 PM
I actually thought he was better in ROTJ than in ESB.
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Same here. Or perhaps it was just a case of the character being more interested. Luke, in ROTJ, was confident, skilled, authoritative. He seemed much stronger as an individual and enjoyed watching that. In ANH and ESB he seemed a little wimpy, naive, unsure of himself. He'd come a long way in ROTJ and I preferred that representation.

Darth Octavious

04-23-2005, 03:37 AM

Hayden, no question. Mark can't even hold a candle to Hayden.

spaceman2386

04-23-2005, 06:46 AM

Hamil
This isn't even a thinker.

Suzanne (ex CoS Leia)

04-23-2005, 09:19 AM

I think that they both did a very good job at presenting their characters in exactly the way that GL wanted them to be seen.

They both had their wooden moments, but I think that was what was asked of them.

tenorsaxgirl93

04-13-2006, 10:41 PM

HAYDEN ALL THE WAY!!!! :happydance:
he was awesome doing the dark side, i mean just look at his eyes and see the anger flowing through them! :cheers:

mark did a good job too.....but not as good AS HAYDEN!!!
k...so maybe i'm a LITTLE baised... :nahnah:

thepepgal

04-14-2006, 09:18 AM

They both had their wooden moments, but I think that was what was asked of them.

Like father like son. Lucas had to tie the story somehow.

Mark had the harder job acting beside a puppet in ESB. At least Hayden got to stare at Natalie. They both did a good job.

starwarsfreak444

04-14-2006, 11:48 AM

i'd choose both! cause mark was a great actor and so was hayden!

James

04-14-2006, 09:04 PM

Hayden was a terrible actor in AOTC he was so wooden like a doll. the way he stared at Natalie was just a little...creepy...

mark was cool he can actually act and he did a good job at delivering wooden dialog believably...hayden just splurted it out and made wooden lines sound thousands of time worse.

The White Tuxedo

04-15-2006, 06:52 PM

For me, I say Mark Hamill. He had more life in his performance, but his movies were better written and better directed anyway.

I think the whole "wooden, 30's acting" thing is total bunk. Hayden Christensen looks like he has some talent, but he wasn't able to really give a good performance. For one, I don't think his part was written very well in either movie. Then you have Lucas wanting his actors to be bad on purpose. If he wanted that, he should have hired bad actors to begin with. :rolleyes:

Poor Hayden, though. I think he was the right guy for the job. It's just that the job wasn't done well.

Anyway. I have to say about Mark Hamill that his performance is part of what makes Yoda work. He believes that his little green muppet is a wizened, 800 year-old, Jedi Master, and so do we.

Darth Strange

04-18-2006, 10:01 AM

I think Mark Hamill did a better job than Hayden

STar war spUNK

04-18-2006, 05:10 PM

mark way times better. but hayden is hot so who cares.

:)

tenorsaxgirl93

04-18-2006, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by STar war spUNK@Apr 18 2006, 01:10 PM
mark way times better. but hayden is hot so who cares.

:)
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HOTNESS!!! who care about bad acting just as long as the dude is hot :happydance: :cheers:

thepepgal

04-24-2006, 09:53 AM

HOTNESS!!! who care about bad acting just as long as the dude is hot

I prefer Mark on that account also

MasterMickKenobi

04-27-2006, 03:29 AM

I didn't like him but I don't know if it was Hayden or Anakin generaly.

The White Tuxedo

04-27-2006, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by tenorsaxgirl93+Apr 18 2006, 01:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tenorsaxgirl93 @ Apr 18 2006, 01:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-STar war spUNK@Apr 18 2006, 01:10 PM
mark way times better.* but hayden is hot so who cares.

:)
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HOTNESS!!! who care about bad acting just as long as the dude is hot :happydance: :cheers:
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Well, as a dude, I care. :nahnah:

Darth Octavious

04-28-2006, 05:37 PM

Hayden. Mark was great but Hayden was better.

Darth Octavious

04-28-2006, 05:40 PM

BTW are we just talking about SW movies or all movies?

James

04-30-2006, 07:47 PM

Just SW I think.

nea200pl

04-04-2007, 06:15 PM

It's hard to tell which one was better as they played characters not very much alike.
I think they both did great job in their own way: I like how Hayden acted helpless in love and feeling unappriciated young man, then twisted dark lord and Mark portraiting slowly maturing hero; from Tatooine boy to Jedi Master and Vader's son.
They both played assigned emotions well so I can't make my definite choice. Thumbs up for both of them.

lovelucas

04-12-2007, 05:46 PM

we could let their success in films be the determining factor....
Hayden was nominated for a Golden Globe..
I think he was the Anakin George always wanted.
He has several films coming out this year - and "Jumper" would appear to be a winner. (due 2008).

Mark has won some awards - mostly for his really good voice work.
I think his best performance was RotJ.
I like his candid moments too. He seems more comfortable at public events.

Sarah-Leia

05-04-2007, 06:46 PM

I don't like the acting of either of them, but I have to give props to Mark for acting alongside a green puppet so believably for so long.

nefertiti

05-04-2007, 08:31 PM

I've got to go with Mark as well...but I think it's more a generation thing...he was around my age...it was easier to daydream. Christensen always seems like a boy ...even in RotS...it never quite makes it for me. Oh, he did a good job...what he was told. I don't think I could ever see anyone else as Anakin...but I'm gonna stick with Mark. :like:

Balnazzar

05-06-2007, 11:50 AM

I've got to go with Mark as well...but I think it's more a generation thing...
True. But he's still a better actor. More sincere and unique I mean,...
But again,...epoch does its job... that what is old always seems somehow irreplaceable.

BigBadDaddyVader

05-07-2007, 10:30 PM

I dont really think it is open to much debate that Mark did a better job overall.His performances as Luke particularly in ESB and ROTJ were outstanding.A lot was expected of Hayden in AOTC and at points he did not live up to it.He was most convincing when alongside Ewan.However I loved Hayden in ROTS and thought he was fantastic.His best performances were brought out by Ewan but particularly Ian McDiarmid who is a stellar actor.The opera scene remains one of my favourite scenes throughout the saga.

RollaFett

05-09-2007, 12:49 PM

^I agree with that last statement. Everytime I watch ROTS I get very excited when that scene begins. I remember just being blown away in the theater when I first saw that scene. Plus, you're right, McDiarmid is steller and stole every scene he was in. He should've been at least nominated that year.

BigBadDaddyVader

05-09-2007, 12:59 PM

McDiarmid is simply chilling in ROTS.His performance in the opera scene would turn your blood cold.It is the subtle touches of his performance that sell it.For instance there is a moment just before he tells Anakin the legend of Darth Plagueis where he pauses,looks at Anakin who is watching the opera turns away and pauses,takes a breath and then begins.You can see that this is the moment he has been awaiting for for ten years.The moment when he knows he will hook Anakin.His performance is breath-taking in that scene in particular however he also adds touches such as this throughout ROTS that make his turn as Palpatine just unforgettable.