MOVIES: The Lord of the Rings & Related Films

[Obidobi]

I love long movies, and I liked ROTK.
But I must agree with Otis with something.... It never seemed to end... I felt it had several endings, for just to keep on going.
I have read the books, so I knew it would be like that....but anyway...

[goodwije]

I have read somewhere that some other countries require an intermission in films over a certain length. I personally think it is a good idea, although it would mean some changes to American theaters, most are just not set up to re-check ticket stubs after an intermission.

I am also not incontinent.. yet style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif but as a border-line diabetic it is a rare movie i set through without needing a bathroom break. ROTK was no exception to that, especially after the jumbo sized 14 dollar soda i drank in line. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

[DarthSolo]

Originally posted by Otis_Frampton@Dec 25 2003, 07:38 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>so if the regular ROTK was 3 hrs 20 min, how long will the extended edition be???

Longer. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

But at least I'll be able to hit the pause button. Seeing a film in a theater is becoming unbearable for many reasons, but this film was simply too long for a bladder to take. Bring back intermissions, says I.

-Otis [/b][/quote]
hehe, i remember the first time i saw FOTR, i was dumb and drank basically a tub of sprite duringthe movie, and im not one to go to the bathroom during the show, needless to say, i was in pain, and set a personal record...

[Mann]

TMI my friend. TMI.

[Rojo]

Originally posted by T'bone@Dec 26 2003, 01:27 AM
About the wraiths - I think the thing is they cannot be killed but you can like, appear to kill them but they'll come back somehow, etc. Like at the water when they're swept away and all that. They come back somehow. I think you can probably appear to kill the witch king but you know, like tomorrow he'll be back again somehow.
Not wishing to bash the boss, but the WK is dead. Proper.

[T-bone]

Hey I could be wrong but I always thought the wraiths couldn't be killed - just indesposed regularly - and the "woman" thing was just a funny line. Can you provide more info on this?

I'm by no means an Tolkien expert but I read the book and understand all the stuff. Please provide the info that explains this so I know how to explain it to people, thanks.

[Phil Tinajero]

I personally don't understand why a person would go back to see the third installment if they didn't like the previous ones. It baffles me.

But anyway, I think that the endings shouldn't have faded from one to the other, because it just tricks the audience into thinking it's over. Personally, I didn't mind the endings at all, but I could hear several impatient audience members groaning. The length is fine with me, although it's somewhat depressing to me when I enter a theater in the middle of the day and I come out to see it's dark. I think it's kind of exciting to have an intermission, but I don't think ROTK is long enough. Did anybody see "Gods and Generals"? That was 4 hours and some minutes long and had an intermission. It was also a terrible movie. On a side note, I also think they should bring back overtures!

For me, Two Towers seemed the shortest and I'm guessing it's because it was the heat of the story, where all the excitement was going on. FOTR slowed down in certain moments and of course ROTK had to slow down when it ended.

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by T'bone@Dec 26 2003, 03:17 PM
Hey I could be wrong but I always thought the wraiths couldn't be killed - just indesposed regularly - and the "woman" thing was just a funny line. Can you provide more info on this?

I'm by no means an Tolkien expert but I read the book and understand all the stuff. Please provide the info that explains this so I know how to explain it to people, thanks.
my memory of the book is hazy at best - but I think the chic did kill the wraith...although I might be confusing it with the Silmarillion

[Rojo]

Originally posted by T'bone@Dec 26 2003, 03:17 PM
Hey I could be wrong but I always thought the wraiths couldn't be killed - just indesposed regularly - and the "woman" thing was just a funny line. Can you provide more info on this?

I'm by no means an Tolkien expert but I read the book and understand all the stuff. Please provide the info that explains this so I know how to explain it to people, thanks.
From The Tolkien Companion by JEA Tyler:

"Two swords, wielded by a shieldmaiden of Rohan and a Hobbit of the Shire, broke the ancient spell which knitted his sinews together, and he was cast down into the void at last - in fulfillment of the ancient prophecy that he would not fall 'by the hand of man'."

Simply, they ****ed him him up and broke the spell keeping him alive (helped by Merry's Arnorian spell bound weapon).

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I personally don't understand why a person would go back to see the third installment if they didn't like the previous ones. It baffles me.[/b][/quote]

I'm not a fan of the Matrx but I went to see them all in the theaters.

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I could hear several impatient audience members groaning.[/b][/quote]

I did as well but I feel it's due to the short attention spans we now have in this country. I didn't have a problem with it at all - I actually prefer longer films.

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>"Two swords, wielded by a shieldmaiden of Rohan and a Hobbit of the Shire, broke the ancient spell which knitted his sinews together, and he was cast down into the void at last - in fulfillment of the ancient prophecy that he would not fall 'by the hand of man'."[/b][/quote]

That's interesting. Did this person have any access to Tolkien? I would assume that the world of men included women but you know, Hobbits don't so I can see that. Neat stuff, thanks.

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>my memory of the book is hazy at best - but I think the chic did kill the wraith[/b][/quote]

you're off the mark.
i wasn't debating who did it.

[Phil Tinajero]

Originally posted by T'bone@Dec 26 2003, 02:54 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I could hear several impatient audience members groaning.

I did as well but I feel it's due to the short attention spans we now have in this country. I didn't have a problem with it at all - I actually prefer longer films. [/b][/quote]
I agree with that. That's probably why we've done away with overtures. The audiences today just want their movie quick and fun and that's it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not a fan of the Matrx but I went to see them all in the theaters. [/b][/quote]
Not being a fan is different than not enjoying the films altogether. I'm just saying that I hear a lot of guys at school complaining about LOTR and saying they disliked the movies and what not, and the minute the next installment would be released, they'd flock to the theaters. It just bothers me. My brother's the same way. All year round, I'm the geek, the nerd, etc. for liking this stuff and as soon as the movies are released, he sees them after bashing them to no end! -pant pant-

Well, anyway, maybe I just have geeky issues, but it just bothers me.

[Rojo]

Originally posted by T'bone@Dec 26 2003, 07:55 PM
That's interesting. Did this person have any access to Tolkien?
Yeah, I think. Certainly he had access to Tolkien's son, Cristopher.

[Mann]

I think the way it is phrased in the book and film is that "No man can kill him" this would be said that no male human can kill him. Females weren't exactly recognized as fighters remember.

[T-bone]

I was thinking in the terms of the world of men. If they said no elf could kill him, it would be presumed that elves - female or male - couldn't.

Anyhow, I'll have to look up some of these source books and check it out too. I'm going to reread KING soon anyhow - just finishing up TOWERS once again now which has parts of KING the film in it. Neat to pick up all the changes and such.

[Mann]

T,

I think that's how it is supposed to be phrased. It leads the people to believe that no human can kill the Wraith. Its a play on words.

[Otis_Frampton]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I personally don't understand why a person would go back to see the third installment if they didn't like the previous ones. It baffles me. [/b][/quote]

I've said it before and I'll say it again . .

I liked the first one and didn't like the second one. I thought the third would be more to my liking. I was wrong. I'm not impatient, I don't have a short attention span, and I love long, engaging films.

As for this . .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I could hear several impatient audience members groaning.[/b][/quote]

I did too. During the half hour ending, as the screen kept going black, the groans got louder and louder. I've never heard anything like it in a theater (well, not since "Batman & Robin", anyway). It was like the theater was ready to revolt. Which is one reason why I'm shocked that the film has received such universal approval . . I did not feel alone in my assessment, at least not in that theater. I guess it's the reverse of the Episode I phenomenon, where you had cheering and elation after the film, and a week later had hateful derision because the film was deemed to be uncool by those "in the know".

-Otis

[Mann]

Don't shoot the messenger:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>In an interview with Christopher Lee

Do you think that the Academy will recognise Lord of the Rings this time?
They'll give it to the trilogy, to the Lord Of The Rings, and to Peter Jackson as director. I remember when I was working for George Lucas not all that long ago, and George said to me "I couldn't have done that."
[/b][/quote]

[Rojo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I guess it's the reverse of the Episode I phenomenon, where you had cheering and elation after the film, and a week later had hateful derision because the film was deemed to be uncool by those "in the know".[/b][/quote]

For me Ep.1 was more of an age thing. I liked it when I was younger, but not now. I remember it not getting good reviews. And I personally believe I have my own opinion on things.

[Otis_Frampton]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>George said to me "I couldn't have done that." [/b][/quote]

Oh good. Now we'll have a debate on every Star Wars board about what "that" is.

-Otis

[Phil Tinajero]

Well, I've always felt that the Prequels lacked one thing that LOTR had and that was true depth and emotion portrayed through the characters. That's my only want for SW that was not given.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Otis_Frampton@Dec 27 2003, 12:56 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>George said to me "I couldn't have done that."

Oh good. Now we'll have a debate on every Star Wars board about what "that" is.

-Otis [/b][/quote]
Its in reference to the LOTR trilogy's sheer scope and adaptation.

[Otis_Frampton]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Its in reference to the LOTR trilogy's sheer scope and adaptation. [/b][/quote]

And so it begins . . style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

-Otis

[Mann]

Originally posted by Otis_Frampton@Dec 27 2003, 01:28 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Its in reference to the LOTR trilogy's sheer scope and adaptation.

And so it begins . . style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

-Otis [/b][/quote]
For someone who didn't like the sequel, you seem to quote it.

[Otis_Frampton]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>For someone who didn't like the sequel, you seem to quote it. [/b][/quote]

Coincidence, I assure you.

-Otis

[Mann]

Originally posted by Otis_Frampton@Dec 27 2003, 02:08 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>For someone who didn't like the sequel, you seem to quote it.

Coincidence, I assure you.

-Otis [/b][/quote]
liar style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Phil Tinajero]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>For someone who didn't like the sequel, you seem to quote it. [/b][/quote]
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[Leia]

Originally posted by Otis_Frampton@Dec 25 2003, 09:38 PM
this film was simply too long for a bladder to take.
I peed beforehand, drank a coke in the middle of the movie and had no problems at all. I wasn't rushing for the bathroom as soon as the lights went up. I think the solution is just going right before the movie starts. If you can't wait 3 and a half hours to go to the bathroom again, there's something wrong with you style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif . Now, when I saw FOTR, I forgot to go and I was rather uncomfortable before it ended... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

I liked the ending. I really hate it when you don't know what happened to the characters

[Justin]

Well we still don't. What became of Frodo and all after they left Middle-Earth?

By the way, regarding Eowyn killing the Witch King, when I read that in the book I wanted to cheer, and I have never had that kind of reaction to anything I have ever read in a book before. I thought it was pretty cool.

[Leia]

Well obviously Frodo lives happily ever after.

I hadn't read the book before going into the movie, but when the ringwraith said "I can be killed by no man!" or whatever the heck he says... I was like, heh heh, good thing Eowyn's a woman then... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Phil Tinajero]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, regarding Eowyn killing the Witch King, when I read that in the book I wanted to cheer, and I have never had that kind of reaction to anything I have ever read in a book before. I thought it was pretty cool. [/b][/quote]
There you go! I like when people enjoy themselves proper. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well we still don't. What became of Frodo and all after they left Middle-Earth?[/b][/quote]
It's sort of like the Great Beyond. No one really knows what you experience when you reach, all you know that it's an undying paradise. Actually, I've never fully understood where the Elves go when they leave Middle-Earth.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Dec 26 2003, 10:36 PM
Actually, I've never fully understood where the Elves go when they leave Middle-Earth.
Read about all that stuff in The Silmarillion. In short, they went back to their homeland.

[Tovor]

Seems ironic, that they were so concerned about protecting Middle Earth from Sauron, then to leave it when he was defeated.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Dec 23 2003, 10:37 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Well in my opinion they shouldn't give it to any one of them because they were all great.
They were all great, but Astin stood out above everyone else. I definetely think he should win for Best Supporting Actor. And I think Elijah should get a nomination for Best Actor as well. [/b][/quote]
I'm thinking in terms of the entire trilogy, the whole cast has had their moments - Astin had his in ROTK whereas his role was kinda downplayed in the other films - I think Ian Mckellan gave the best performance of the trilogy in The Fellowship of the Ring and he didn't win, so I don't think it would be a good idea to give an award to anyone else - I kinda doubt if any of them were nominated they would win anyway.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Tovor@Dec 26 2003, 11:11 PM
Seems ironic, that they were so concerned about protecting Middle Earth from Sauron, then to leave it when he was defeated.
I don't think they were so certain that they would be able to conquer Sauron, and actually, by this time many had already left Middle-Earth I believe, and during the war for the Ring they were fighting battles in Lorien and Rivendell, they weren't just sitting back and letting everyone else face Sauron and his forces along - I think they probably thought they'd have to call in the Valar (read The Silmarillion for more on that....) and that would pretty much mean the end of Middle-Earth, the last time they called for the Valar the west coast of Middle-Earth was destroyed.

The Elves did not originate in Middle-Earth, they went their from Valinor to take back the Silmarils who were stolen by the first Dark Lord, Morgoth, who was Sauron's master.

They had already suffered alot, it was their right to leave, as I understand when Elves die they don't have a heaven to go to they just cease to exsist, so escaping Middle-Earth was their one chance to live a good longer happy life.

It wasn't really the Elves task to see to the end of Sauron, that task was appointed to the 5 Istari (Gandalf, Saruman, and the three other wizards which are not seen on screen) who were sent as counselors and to watch over Middle-Earth. The time of the Elves was over, it was time for men to have dominion. And it all worked out in the end.

[Phil Tinajero]

Originally posted by TK-007@Dec 27 2003, 02:30 AM
I'm thinking in terms of the entire trilogy, the whole cast has had their moments - Astin had his in ROTK whereas his role was kinda downplayed in the other films - I think Ian Mckellan gave the best performance of the trilogy in The Fellowship of the Ring and he didn't win, so I don't think it would be a good idea to give an award to anyone else - I kinda doubt if any of them were nominated they would win anyway.
Yeah, but Ian McKellen doesn't represent the entire cast. And yes, the entire cast was good but within a cast there are main characters and there are sub-characters. Sean Astin played a main character and his role in this film was more developed than other characters. He's displayed his acting skills with great strength these past three films, even with the little material he was given at first. So, I think he deserves the Oscar.

[Mann]

Its well known however, that sean astin's Sam is the main character of ROTK, book wise anyway. he dominates that bok, and the reason behind him being the last character in the film is because its clear HE is the hero, not Frodo who succumbs to the ring, Sam kept frodo going for so long. Be that as it were, Sam is the all out best and most rounded out character in the film. Sean Astin should be nominated for conveying it. The delivery of "I can carry you" was just heartbreaking.

[Phil Tinajero]

The "I can carry you" scene was the emotional peak of the entire trilogy from Frodo and Sam's standpoint. And IMO, that's the scene that should get Sean Astin and ROTK the awards deserved.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Dec 27 2003, 06:09 PM
The "I can carry you" scene was the emotional peak of the entire trilogy from Frodo and Sam's standpoint. And IMO, that's the scene that should get Sean Astin and ROTK the awards deserved.
Can you say "Oscar Clip" I hope they bring those back. that scene, you are correct, is the emotional peak of the trilogy. It symbolizes sam's entire role, that he had to carry Frodo all the way, even at the end. without sam, Frodo "wouldn't have gotten far" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Phil Tinajero]

^Exactly. And what did happen to the Oscar clips? I missed them last year. But you can always tell who is gonna win from those clips. They make the winner's performance look as if it stands above the rest. With McKellen they played the scene where Gandalf scolds Bilbo at Bag End and grows tall and powerful. That scene was great, but for me, McKellen's "Oscar moment" was when Gandalf was counseling Frodo in the Mines of Moria.

The same with Astin's "I can carry you" scene. If they don't show that (if they do show Oscar clips at all) then he's probably not the winnner.

[goodwije]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Dec 27 2003, 01:50 PM
^Exactly. And what did happen to the Oscar clips? I missed them last year.
Well the show is already way too long, i think removing the clips was an attempt to shorten it, of course it didnt work so maybe they will bring them back.

[Darth Whaler]

Forgot to post this earlier. I think my favorite line of the movie was when the Hobbits bowed down to Aragorn and he said something like:

"No my friends. You bow to no one."

I just loved that line.

And I have to agree with the previous posts about the "I can carry you" scene. Definitely the emotional peak and definitely worthy of accolades.

[bluemilk]

that was a great line style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Mann]

I liked the "bow to no one" scene. the music for the Hobbits was rousing and feel good. I think that was where editin took place, cause the fade out to the map, while great, seemed like a way out of extraneous scenes.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 27 2003, 07:51 PM
I liked the "bow to no one" scene. the music for the Hobbits was rousing and feel good. I think that was where editin took place, cause the fade out to the map, while great, seemed like a way out of extraneous scenes.
There might be some more scenes to take place after that, but I don't think the Hobbit's return journey was even filmed - in the book it involves going back to Bree, meeting Treebeard again and so forth just alot of stuff we didn't need to see, so that map was there to represent all of that, and it worked just fine.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf+Dec 27 2003, 09:33 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jedi Master Gandalf @ Dec 27 2003, 09:33 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Dec 27 2003, 02:30 AM
I'm thinking in terms of the entire trilogy, the whole cast has had their moments - Astin had his in ROTK whereas his role was kinda downplayed in the other films - I think Ian Mckellan gave the best performance of the trilogy in The Fellowship of the Ring and he didn't win, so I don't think it would be a good idea to give an award to anyone else - I kinda doubt if any of them were nominated they would win anyway.
Yeah, but Ian McKellen doesn't represent the entire cast. And yes, the entire cast was good but within a cast there are main characters and there are sub-characters. Sean Astin played a main character and his role in this film was more developed than other characters. He's displayed his acting skills with great strength these past three films, even with the little material he was given at first. So, I think he deserves the Oscar. [/b][/quote]
Well I didn't say he didn't. But so do others, and some of those others didn't win, and because of that I don't really think it would be fair to give him the award, and I kinda doubt he'll be getting it anyway. Just my opinion.

[Phil Tinajero]

Originally posted by TK-007@Dec 28 2003, 02:57 AM
There might be some more scenes to take place after that, but I don't think the Hobbit's return journey was even filmed - in the book it involves going back to Bree, meeting Treebeard again and so forth just alot of stuff we didn't need to see, so that map was there to represent all of that, and it worked just fine.
I agree. It worked just fine in showing how far they've gone and what they've experience throughout the trilogy.

[jom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The Elves did not originate in Middle-Earth, they went their from Valinor to take back the Silmarils who were stolen by the first Dark Lord, Morgoth, who was Sauron's master. [/b][/quote]

(Geek mode on)

I don't think this is correct. The Elves DID originate in Middle Earth. They were brought to Valinor by one of the Valar (don't remember which) in three groups: Noldor, Vanyar and Teleri. They traveled west across ME, some fell behind, others skipped out etc etc. Eventually some took the sea to Valinor and some didn't. The reason for the trip, I think, was that the Valar were afraid Morgoth (Melkor) would hurt or destroy them...something like that.

Later, after the Morgoth was captured and taken back to Valinor he escaped again and took the Silmarils. A bunch of the Noldor (led by Feanor..who made the Silmarils) went back to ME (followed Morgoth) to kick Morgoth's arse. The Valar did not want them to do this but they did it anyway...etc etc.

(Geek mode off)

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jom

[Rojo]

Yeah that's right. They were lead by Orome the Great, putting my geek hat on.

[Rogue_0009]

<span style="color:red">I finally saw it! I swear it has been sold out for since it opened this is the only time in the history of this one horse town this has happened.


PS: my first thought when I saw the oliphants [and I am not making this up], "Attack patern delta. Use your harpoons and tow cables, go for the legs!]</span>

[Justin]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 28 2003, 03:51 AM
I liked the "bow to no one" scene. the music for the Hobbits was rousing and feel good.
I think the movie probably could have ended there, for the theatrical cut at least.

[Phil Tinajero]

Well, it seemed as though it could have, but that's just because of the way it was shot and edited.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by jom@Dec 28 2003, 04:24 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The Elves did not originate in Middle-Earth, they went their from Valinor to take back the Silmarils who were stolen by the first Dark Lord, Morgoth, who was Sauron's master.

(Geek mode on)

I don't think this is correct. The Elves DID originate in Middle Earth. They were brought to Valinor by one of the Valar (don't remember which) in three groups: Noldor, Vanyar and Teleri. They traveled west across ME, some fell behind, others skipped out etc etc. Eventually some took the sea to Valinor and some didn't. The reason for the trip, I think, was that the Valar were afraid Morgoth (Melkor) would hurt or destroy them...something like that.

Later, after the Morgoth was captured and taken back to Valinor he escaped again and took the Silmarils. A bunch of the Noldor (led by Feanor..who made the Silmarils) went back to ME (followed Morgoth) to kick Morgoth's arse. The Valar did not want them to do this but they did it anyway...etc etc.

(Geek mode off)

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jom [/b][/quote]
Yeah I was a bit off on that I suppose, but to be technical they originated in the waters of Cuiviénen; the place of the Awakening of the Elves on the shores of the inland sea of Helcar, and from there they made their journey to Beleriand. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Anyway, they didn't originate in Middle-Earth as it was at the end of the thrid age, it was a much different landscape, and the lands where they came from were long since destroyed, yack yack yack...

[Darth Vegas]

The Captains Of The West Debate The Completion Of The Film Epic (http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_44853.asp) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

And hey, look everybody! Denethor on Fire!!! (http://www.pbase.com/image/24420076.jpg)

[Master Cephus]

If you want to know what happened to the Elves and the beginnings of them and of ME really, read The Similarian. Great book.

[jom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Anyway, they didn't originate in Middle-Earth as it was at the end of the thrid age, it was a much different landscape, and the lands where they came from were long since destroyed, yack yack yack... [/b][/quote]

True! But some of the landscape was the same. In fact, what was the western most mountain range (Blue Mountains?) in ME in Frodo's time was actually the eastern part of Beleriand in the First Age.

Also, Helcar (I think) was located in the far far east of ME in the First Age. Later on that area was not only dried up (no water) part of it was in what was later called Mordor...not exactly but fairly close.

Part of the road taken by the Elves while on their journey to the sea was the same road that goes by The Shire (forgot the name) but it exsisted for many years.

bla bla bla

I can say one of the reason I like the Silmarillion so much is that there is some connection between it and the later books (and Ages). Although most of the "action" from it takes place in a land that was later under water in Frodo's time it DID exsists at one time AND there are still land formations (and places) that exsisted prior to the Third Age.

jom

[T-bone]

I liked reading the Silmarillion and it was fun when they told the story of Ungoliant the spider creature and how one of its offspring is Shelob. I remember thinking that was way cool when reading it. That and the connection to the phial of Galadriel that Sam and Frodo use. Neat stuff in there.

[brookie]

so for thoose who know elvish what did aragon say to leolas at the end of ROTK when he was crowned king? anyone..? anyone all..

[T-bone]

"I'm king now. If I catch you looking at my Numenorian a$$ again that way, I'll have your head, fairy elf."

[brookie]

Originally posted by T'bone@Dec 29 2003, 10:51 PM
"I'm king now. If I catch you looking at my Numenorian a$$ again that way, I'll have your head, fairy elf."
hahhahahahhahah style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[goodwije]

How did they get up there anyways? they flew of course.. all fairies can fly style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[jom]

Originally posted by T'bone@Dec 29 2003, 05:27 PM
I liked reading the Silmarillion and it was fun when they told the story of Ungoliant the spider creature and how one of its offspring is Shelob. I remember thinking that was way cool when reading it. That and the connection to the phial of Galadriel that Sam and Frodo use. Neat stuff in there.
I actually like the story of Turin Turmabar (SP?). The guy never really could catch a break and pretty much everyone around him ends up dying. He even "married" his own sister (yuck!).

Although not exactly the same thing, it did remind me a little of the Anakin character.....and maybe a bit of Luke/Leia thrown in there too...lol

jom

[Agent Sith]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Dec 26 2003, 08:08 PM
Well, I've always felt that the Prequels lacked one thing that LOTR had and that was true depth and emotion portrayed through the characters. That's my only want for SW that was not given.
you know one thing that LOTRs doesnt even come close to SW........the music. Lord of the Rings music I think is crap and doesnt fit in with the movie. It also repeats itself wayyyyy too much. SW wins

[Lord Chaos]

The music has it's own importance. If you read the Silmarillion, you'd understand what I mean. For an example, when Gandalf rides out against the Nazgul, you'll notice a change in the music. It may not be of John Williams' style, but I think it serves the films well.

[Leia]

What do you mean it doesn't fit the movies? It fits them perfectly well! The score is really outstanding! It's perhaps not got as many hummable melodies as the original Star Wars movies, but it serves the mood and the atmosphere of the movies very well. You don't like the shire music or the Rohan music? Or the fellowship theme?? And anything to do with the elves is absolutely beautiful!

[Phil Tinajero]

Yeah, the LOTR music is way better than the music of the Prequels (I hate comparing LOTR and SW). Howard Shore is really a musical genius and really matches each culture extremely well. He pays attention to the importance of the story and he rhymes many things with music (like when Gandalf speaks to the moth atop Orthanc, the little "nature" theme pops on, and then in Two Towers the same theme switches into battle mode when the Ents, another part of nature are attacking Isengard. It kind of shows that Nature is fighting back against Industry). John Williams, as much as I love the man, couldn't have done as well as Shore did with these films.

Plus, the music of the Prequels isn't unified and there is no profound emotion in the music, except in the Love Theme. The music doesn't rhyme with itself at all.

As much as I love SW, I have to admit that I enjoy the LOTR films more than the Prequels. They're just better films. I say this with a heavy heart, and I still LOVE the Prequels.

[Leia]

Yeah the music in the prequels is, enh, so so. I just can't understand why Williams didn't continue with the lietmotif tradition!

[Phil Tinajero]

The music in the Prequels sounds a little childish at times with all the Harry Potter-ish jingles he uses in some places. I hope for Episode 3 he goes for a darker tone.

[Lord Chaos]

I'm going to have to rewatch the Prequels to get a feel for the music and reform my opinion of it.

and "lietmotif tradition"? O_o style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

On LotR, I think they did an excellent job of putting these films together. They're very well researched. With the aforementioned Gandalf vs. flying Nazgul scene, I was marvelling at how they made sure the music played an important role. I've been reading The Silmarillion lately and I still need to finish, so those first chapters sprang to mind while I was watching. It really opened things up for me.

[Phil Tinajero]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>and "lietmotif tradition"? O_o [/b][/quote]
Yeah I'm not sure what you mean by that either. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

As for The Silmarillion, I haven't read it but I'd like to. I've heard it's difficult to read but I'd like to learn the history of the Elves, so I'll probably pick it up. And for those of us who haven't read it, can you elaborate on the Gandalf vs. the Nazgul scene and how it relates to the Silmarillion?

[Phil Tinajero]

Oh, and Happy New Year everybody! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Leia]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Jan 1 2004, 04:01 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>and "lietmotif tradition"? O_o
Yeah I'm not sure what you mean by that either. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif
[/b][/quote]
You uncultured slobs!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif That's when you assign a certain theme for one person/event or whatever and bring it back to refer to that person. Princess Leia's theme, Luke and Leia, Han and Leia, Yoda, the Imperial March, the Emperor's theme... you know?

[Phil Tinajero]

Oh, okay. I was going to say the same thing....except without the big words. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif

But I do know what you mean. It seems like every track on the Prequel soundtracks just consist of music to accompany the film, there's nothing to get inside the character's moods or minds. Howard Shore concentrates on emotion and feeling more than the action. John Williams handled that perfectly in the Classics, but he seems to have lost it in the Prequels.

[Lord Chaos]

Leia: Ah, I see now. Sorry, but I cannot be familiar with every aspect of everything, as much as I try. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

JMG: Well, in the beginning of The Silmarillion, it starts with the beginning of the world, and how Eru, the one, created the Ainur (the Valar), and how he had them make music. Eru revealed musical themes to them that from what I gathered had something to do with showing the future of Middle Earth. I believe music had great importance for Tolkien, and you can see it's presence in each volume of LotR when you read as well as in The Hobbit. There are often mentions of various songs and singing through it all. I believe Peter Jackson and crew did a great job of researching all of these seemingly insignificant details and incorporating them into the films. That's why I mention the Gandalf scene as an example...it displays the great attention to detail these people gave.

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>But I do know what you mean. It seems like every track on the Prequel soundtracks just consist of music to accompany the film, there's nothing to get inside the character's moods or minds. Howard Shore concentrates on emotion and feeling more than the action. John Williams handled that perfectly in the Classics, but he seems to have lost it in the Prequels.[/b][/quote]
I respectfully disagree, 'Anakin's theme' is a prime example of a character-based theme which we find slowly evolving into the Darth Vader theme (plus 'Across the stars'), while LOTR doesn't have very many character-centric themes at all but rather more broad themes that represent the different races and aliances - the themes in lotr are like 'The Fellowship theme' 'Minas Tirith theme' 'The Shire' and so forth...

I think JW did a fine job on the TPM score, I think he faltered a bit on the AOTC score other than with the Love Theme, I think he'll nail it with Episode 3 though.

But that being said - I do find Howard Shore's LOTR scores more enjoyable than JW's stuff for the prequels.

[Phil Tinajero]

^I know what you mean. I'm hoping that the Episode 3 score will be great.

[JediKeri]

Stay on Topic style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

This linky might interest you Pippin fans style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Billiy Boyd Bio (http://entertainment.msn.com/celebs/celeb.aspx?mp=b&c=137687)

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>After multiple viewings of George Lucas' Star Wars, Boyd reasoned that if he could not truly be a Jedi Knight, he might as well be an actor.[/b][/quote]

I could just imagine a certain someone taking that quote and saying "Take that Saint Peter the Great/LOTR worshipers! No GL = No Pippin." style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

I get the feeling that Dom Monaghen and Billy Boyd might live the rest of their lives on conventions and other LOTR-related appearances...

[Phil Tinajero]

Originally posted by TK-007@Jan 1 2004, 12:34 PM
I get the feeling that Dom Monaghen and Billy Boyd might live the rest of their lives on conventions and other LOTR-related appearances...
Hopefully not. Maybe LOTR will open new doors for them. They seem like a bunch of nice guys. I hear that Dom and Elijah Wood live in Hollywood, so maybe I'll see them around Ameoba Records sometime.

[Agent Sith]

I love these movies and just like SW, I cant wait to have them all on DVD for myself to watch and enjoy with my friends. But, does anyone else kinda see how people almost forced themselves to love TTT and ROTK? Like they are suppose to enjoy these movies and that they are flawless. Just seems like people are faking it. Just goto www.movies.com and check out all of the reviews for the 3 LOTR movies and see how the positive ratings go up and the negative ones disappear from Fellowship to ROTK.

[Rojo]

Originally posted by Agent Sith@Jan 1 2004, 07:59 PM
I love these movies and just like SW, I cant wait to have them all on DVD for myself to watch and enjoy with my friends. But, does anyone else kinda see how people almost forced themselves to love TTT and ROTK? Like they are suppose to enjoy these movies and that they are flawless. Just seems like people are faking it. Just goto www.movies.com and check out all of the reviews for the 3 LOTR movies and see how the positive ratings go up and the negative ones disappear from Fellowship to ROTK.
Ever considered these movies might actually impress people more than Fellowship? Or that, looking at the series as a whole they might forgive or forget its (minor) flaws?

[Rojo]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Jan 1 2004, 09:01 AM
As for The Silmarillion, I haven't read it but I'd like to. I've heard it's difficult to read
I read it and I didn't find it dificult, in fact I thought it was beautifully written. For a while I liked it more than LOTR.

[T-bone]

It's not really that difficult to read, there's just a lot in there and lots of little stories, etc. It's like backstory really...starting from creation, learning where all the characters came from like Morgoth, Sauron, the elves and dwarves, etc. I love the story of the creation of the dwarves. Great stuff.

[goodwije]

I have never read The Silmarillion, i have "Further Tales" and found that hard to read however.

[Rojo]

Originally posted by goodwije@Jan 1 2004, 08:17 PM
I have never read The Silmarillion, i have "Further Tales" and found that hard to read however.
Unfinihed tales? I agree. It was interesting though, in parts.

[Agent Sith]

Originally posted by Rojo+Jan 1 2004, 03:06 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rojo @ Jan 1 2004, 03:06 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Agent Sith@Jan 1 2004, 07:59 PM
I love these movies and just like SW, I cant wait to have them all on DVD for myself to watch and enjoy with my friends. But, does anyone else kinda see how people almost forced themselves to love TTT and ROTK? Like they are suppose to enjoy these movies and that they are flawless. Just seems like people are faking it. Just goto www.movies.com and check out all of the reviews for the 3 LOTR movies and see how the positive ratings go up and the negative ones disappear from Fellowship to ROTK.
Ever considered these movies might actually impress people more than Fellowship? Or that, looking at the series as a whole they might forgive or forget its (minor) flaws? [/b][/quote]
Yea I've considered that....but people just seem to jump on the ban-wagon on this and are forcing themselves to enjoy it. Even people I know that HATE 3+ hour films. I personally love them. Same goes for SW movies, at least the original trilogy. Same goes for Indy trilogy. If Temple of Doom was the first of the three, the series would have died. But people forced themselves to enjoy it.

[Rojo]

Originally posted by Agent Sith@Jan 1 2004, 08:27 PM
Yea I've considered that....but people just seem to jump on the ban-wagon on this and are forcing themselves to enjoy it. Even people I know that HATE 3+ hour films. I personally love them. Same goes for SW movies, at least the original trilogy. Same goes for Indy trilogy. If Temple of Doom was the first of the three, the series would have died. But people forced themselves to enjoy it.
How do you know that? Everyone has their own opinion, just because you didn't like something doesn't mean everyone else likes it because they're forcing themselves to. Personally I love Temple of Doom at least as much as Last Crusdade. Your comment about 3 hour films seems a bit pointless, ROTK didn't seem like 3+ hours to me when I watched it and I certainly wasn't forcing myself to like it.

[Agent Sith]

Originally posted by Rojo@Jan 1 2004, 03:32 PM
How do you know that? Everyone has their own opinion, just because you didn't like something doesn't mean everyone else likes it because they're forcing themselves to. Personally I love Temple of Doom at least as much as Last Crusdade. Your comment about 3 hour films seems a bit pointless, ROTK didn't seem like 3+ hours to me when I watched it and I certainly wasn't forcing myself to like it.
And how do you know that I have talked with alot of people? So don't judge me. And thats fine what YOU liked, but your not the majority of the people and thats what I'm trying to state here. Cause I have talked with alot of people and they all agree that the majority of this country tends to be brainwashed by one good movie paving the way for mediocre movies in their eyes. Lemme name another group of movies where the same effect happened....Back to the Future, the third one was crap to most people but they accepted it cause of how great the first two were. Same goes with the Rocky movies, same goes with Star Trek, same goes with all of the Batman movies.....shall I continue? So read what I'm trying to say instead of bashing me or my views.

[Phil Tinajero]

Originally posted by Rojo+Jan 1 2004, 03:07 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rojo @ Jan 1 2004, 03:07 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Jedi Master Gandalf@Jan 1 2004, 09:01 AM
As for The Silmarillion, I haven't read it but I'd like to. I've heard it's difficult to read
I read it and I didn't find it dificult, in fact I thought it was beautifully written. For a while I liked it more than LOTR. [/b][/quote]
Then I'll probably pick it up soon.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I love these movies and just like SW, I cant wait to have them all on DVD for myself to watch and enjoy with my friends. But, does anyone else kinda see how people almost forced themselves to love TTT and ROTK? Like they are suppose to enjoy these movies and that they are flawless. Just seems like people are faking it. Just goto www.movies.com and check out all of the reviews for the 3 LOTR movies and see how the positive ratings go up and the negative ones disappear from Fellowship to ROTK. [/b][/quote]
Well, I suppose I know what you mean, but it seems that everybody likes LOTR. There are some cases where these kids go to see the movie just because everyone else is doing it, but all in all it looks like LOTR is well-loved.

If I'm not mistaken, Agent Sith, didn't you have a lot of criticisms for LOTR? I never would've known that you "love" these movies. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif

[Marbleman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>but people just seem to jump on the ban-wagon on this and are forcing themselves to enjoy it.[/b][/quote]
It cuts both ways - there will be those who embrace or abhor the film because of peer pressure or media influence. I don't know any people like that on this board, though, so it is sort of a pointless thing to say IMO. It would be better to discuss the content (and problems) with the film rather than speculate on why people like or dislike it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Unfinihed tales? I agree. It was interesting though, in parts. [/b][/quote]

You got to love the parts with Saruman and Gandalf in that book, with Saruman always jealous of Gandalf and secretly mimicing him. Until I read that I hadn't realized that Saruman was always a bit crooked. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Rojo]

Originally posted by Agent Sith@Jan 1 2004, 08:42 PM
So read what I'm trying to say instead of bashing me or my views.
I apologise, I know what you're tryng to say but I think you're generalising. Personally (my opinion), I liked most of the Star Trek Movies (it was the first one which was the worst), all of the Back to the Future movies, all of the Indianan Jones movies and so on.

[T-bone]

I didn't mind the first Trek film style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
It's better than any of those Next Generation movies - ugh.

Anyhow, just got back again from the film and man all I keep thinking is I can't wait to see the rest of it. Damn.

[jom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>It's better than any of those Next Generation movies - ugh.
[/b][/quote]

Bah! Most of the ST movies are pretty good. The one Shatner directed sucked and the most recent TNG blew but most of the others are fun to watch. But remember all the ST movies are nothing more than "glorified" TV shows...

Originally posted by T'bone@Jan 1 2004, 12:14 PM
It's not really that difficult to read, there's just a lot in there and lots of little stories, etc. It's like backstory really...starting from creation, learning where all the characters came from like Morgoth, Sauron, the elves and dwarves, etc.* I love the story of the creation of the dwarves.* Great stuff.
Agreed. At first I was troubled with all the different names, most of which were multiple names for the same place/person or thing. Of course, you could have that trouble reading LotR too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I have never read The Silmarillion, i have "Further Tales" and found that hard to read however. [/b][/quote]

By "further tales" I assume you mean "Lost Tales". Yeah, again, if might have trouble with it but it sure would be worse if you didn't read The Silmarillion first. I've finished the "1st Age" section of "Lost Tales" and all it really is is an extention of some of the stories from The Silmarillion. It fills in gaps and skips over other section. Kind of interesting actually.

As to the SW music. I disagree with the feeling JW has lost his way. I do admit the AotC soundtrack lacked good material, with the exception of the Love Theme, which is every bit as good as any there has been in SW including "Luke and Leia" and "Han and Leia".

The TPM soundtrack on the other hand was great. Just as good as any from the OT. That small little section of music from Qui-Gon's funeral was, IMO, the single most gorgeous peice of music in SW. The one with the combo of the Force theme and the background choir. Unfortunately, it lasts only 10 sec. or so. That needs to be extended to a full-up section of music, IMO. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

jom

EDIT: Just a note: There is some books called "Unfinished Tales" which are different from the "Lost Tales". The UT, although I've never read them, seems to be Chris Tolkein's attempt to do some revisited history on the writing of the books by his dad. Different versions and the like. "Lost Tales" seems to be just some added stuff that JRR originally left out. I'm not sure if I've got this right but that was my quick impression glancing at the UT recently in the book store.

[goodwije]

Its called "Unfinished Tales" The Lost Lore of Middle-Earth.. sorry i flubbed earlier. Yeah it is the same book though. Split into First, Second, and Third age, with some notes at the end. I will have to get the Silmarillion, maybe that will make this one easier.

[jom]

Originally posted by goodwije@Jan 1 2004, 10:13 PM
Its called "Unfinished Tales" The Lost Lore of Middle-Earth.. sorry i flubbed earlier. Yeah it is the same book though. Split into First, Second, and Third age, with some notes at the end. I will have to get the Silmarillion, maybe that will make this one easier.
Maybe but they ARE two different books. Lost Tales is NOT the same thing. The Unfinished Tales are books that came later that are part of the "History of Middle Earth" series. Lost Tales was the FIRST in that series.

jom

Note: I think UT is actually TWO books whereas LT is only one.

[jom]

Damn it! I screwed up! Above I got the set of books BACKWARDS. Argh!

Where I said Lost Tales I meant Unfinished Tales (which is the one I'm reading presently). Lost Tales is actually two books.

D'oh!

jom

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf+Jan 1 2004, 11:28 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jedi Master Gandalf @ Jan 1 2004, 11:28 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Jan 1 2004, 12:34 PM
I get the feeling that Dom Monaghen and Billy Boyd might live the rest of their lives on conventions and other LOTR-related appearances...
Hopefully not. Maybe LOTR will open new doors for them. They seem like a bunch of nice guys. I hear that Dom and Elijah Wood live in Hollywood, so maybe I'll see them around Ameoba Records sometime. [/b][/quote]
Yeah I wouldn't hope for that either, but out of all the actors in LOTR, I think they have the highest chance of that happening to them . I don't think they'll ever do anything bigger than LOTR, they'll always be known as Merry and Pippin I think - nothing wrong with that though (I'll probably always be known as a fat-ass geek who never did anything with his life style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ).

[JediKeri]

Originally posted by T'bone@Jan 2 2004, 12:05 AM
I didn't mind the first Trek film style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
It's better than any of those Next Generation movies - ugh.

Anyhow, just got back again from the film and man all I keep thinking is I can't wait to see the rest of it. Damn.
There's always the books T style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[T-bone]

read them many times, dear.

[The Prism]

Hopefully not. Maybe LOTR will open new doors for them. They seem like a bunch of nice guys. I hear that Dom and Elijah Wood live in Hollywood, so maybe I'll see them around Ameoba Records sometime.
Yeah I wouldn't hope for that either, but out of all the actors in LOTR, I think they have the highest chance of that happening to them . I don't think they'll ever do anything bigger than LOTR, they'll always be known as Merry and Pippin I think - nothing wrong with that though (I'll probably always be known as a fat-ass geek who never did anything with his life style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ). [/quote]
Well, hey, Billy Boyd had a small part in Master & Commander. So after that...maybe...he'll.....Aw, screw it. He'll never outdo being a hobbit.

[JediKeri]

Originally posted by T'bone@Jan 2 2004, 11:11 AM
read them many times, dear.
Oh...well...I knew that...I think style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

I'm reading the books for the second time style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[Rojo]

I need to get History of Middle Earth, anyone know where I can get it cheap?

[JediKeri]

Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com)

Wally World (http://walmart.com)

Two cheepest places I know...

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Rojo@Jan 2 2004, 09:23 AM
I need to get History of Middle Earth, anyone know where I can get it cheap?
The cheapest you can get it is if you get the boxed set paperbacks of volumes 1-5 - try a local book store and see if they have those (if not they're on Amazon), there are 5 or more other volumes not available in that set.

There's also a hardcover set you can get, but that's very expensive...

[Rojo]

Cool. I think I'm gonna have to buy them one at a time unless my friend who works at the book warehouse can get me a discount on that box set.

[masterplan]

If you're re-reading LOTR now that you've seen the last chapter on film, is it completely changing the way you're visualizing things in the book? It certainly is for me. And I have a hard time thinking at least some stuff won't creep in for most people.

Personally I'm enjoying reading the books more by visualizing New Zealand's landscapes and hearing the actor's voices when I read their lines.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by masterplan@Jan 2 2004, 12:36 PM
If you're re-reading LOTR now that you've seen the last chapter on film, is it completely changing the way you're visualizing things in the book?
It's helping in that regard, yes. Before I invisioned things mostly like the paintings by The Brothers Hildebrant, Alan Lee, and John Howe - now that I've seen the films, it is alot easier to invision the landscapes, the characters, the weapons, armor, houses, etc. etc.

[jom]

If you are looking for the HOME books you might want to try:

Half.com (http://half.ebay.com/index.jsp)

You can find used ones there also.

BTW, from what I can tell there are 12 books in that series....

jom

[James T. Skywalker]

What I want to see is someone incorporate the images from the films into a map of Middle-Earth; the maps I've found are all very nice, but wouldn't it be cool to see the stuff in more detail? To see a picture for the locations in the films (and even those for some we didn't see) would be very cool, I'm surprised there aren't any fan-made maps like that on the net anywhere yet...

~JTS

[Soontir Solo]

I want to see that too, especially of places we didn't see in the movie. Like Mirkwood, The Lonely Mountain, Dol Amroth, and Dol Guldur.

[Erick Landrider]

Hopefully we'll see them in 'The Hobbit' if and when it ever gets of the ground.

[bluemilk]

I've trying to go watch ROTK again but it's -21 C and snowy with more snow expected style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

good thing I got the books

[Justin]

So does anyone know its current box office standing?

[Javen]

Last time I checked it was $677 million world wide.

[Justin]

How about domestic? And how does that stand against Titanic? I hope this movie surpasses Titanic as the highest grossing film of all time.

[Javen]

Originally posted by Justin@Jan 4 2004, 11:46 PM
How about domestic? And how does that stand against Titanic? I hope this movie surpasses Titanic as the highest grossing film of all time.
In 19 days it has made $292 milliion. Which is about to beat Spiderman with the fastest to $300 m.

And I do hope it rips Titanic to pieces.

[Justin]

That's incredible. Think of how much they would have made if the movie had been shorter and could have played more times.

[Javen]

True. I wish they would have cut the first part about Smeogal. They could have left that for the Extened version. Not that I don't like the scene, it just could have been left out of theatre version.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Javen@Jan 5 2004, 04:56 AM
True. I wish they would have cut the first part about Smeogal. They could have left that for the Extened version. Not that I don't like the scene, it just could have been left out of theatre version.
I think its purpose was to make his "ending" have much more meaning the ring ruled his life for over 500 years, and then afterwards *spoiler* you notice how he doesn't care that he is dieing, but that the ring might be damaged. I thinkthe beginning was put in because Gollum had been so well received by the public.

Also I played the ROTK game (beat it in two days) and the Mouth of Sauron is in it, which is awesome. one thing to note is that clips in the game aren't in the movie, so we can look forward to seeing 1 hour and 40 minutes of more ROTK love!

[Blizzard]

I finally saw the movie, but don't have time to read back 82 pages.

Two noticable scenes left out are when Sam has to leave his pots and pans. And the fact that Faramir and Eowyn get married.

And they "movied" up two more scenes, one by not showing Sam had taken the ring until later. And when they sprung Arwen on Aragorn. That is not how it happened in the book.

I hope Sean Astin gets an Oscar nom.

[Lord Chaos]

Yeah. There were many changes. They left out the Nazgul sickness that afflicted both Eowyn and Faramir, and altered Aragorn not allowing himself to enter the city except to heal the two, which I felt would've been nice to see.

As for Oscar nominations...I would be hard pressed to pick a single person. IMO each of the cast members did a wonderful job of portraying their characters.

[Javen]

Originally posted by Mann+Jan 5 2004, 12:25 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Jan 5 2004, 12:25 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Javen@Jan 5 2004, 04:56 AM
True. I wish they would have cut the first part about Smeogal. They could have left that for the Extened version. Not that I don't like the scene, it just could have been left out of theatre version.
I think its purpose was to make his "ending" have much more meaning the ring ruled his life for over 500 years, and then afterwards *spoiler* you notice how he doesn't care that he is dieing, but that the ring might be damaged. I thinkthe beginning was put in because Gollum had been so well received by the public.

[/b][/quote]
I understand why they did it. But in reality, I already knew Gollum didn't care, all he wanted was the ring and he would die trying or die with it. It would have meant just as much to me if it wasn't there. Maybe to a casual movie goer it helped them, but it was around 20 minutes that could have been cut.

Anyway, it's not an actual complaint. Because I enjoyed the scene. BUut it would ahve also mad e it a bit more paced without it.

[Leia]

Originally posted by Blizzard@Jan 5 2004, 12:43 AM
And the fact that Faramir and Eowyn get married.

With as long as the movie was, they definitely wouldn't have been able to put that in especially since it doesn't involve any of the fellowship! But at Aragorn's coronation they're standing together so I'm sure that was a nod to the fact that they get married.

[Justin]

It was already insanely long. It just would not be feasible to have everything from the book in the film.

In my opinion, it is great that there is so much more material in the books that are not in the films, because then people can go back to the books to learn more. If everything in the book was in the movie then what would be the point of reading the book?

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen@Jan 4 2004, 08:56 PM
True. I wish they would have cut the first part about Smeogal. They could have left that for the Extened version. Not that I don't like the scene, it just could have been left out of theatre version.
I agree. I love the scene, but it wasn't the best way to start the movie, and the first 20 minutes or so felt a little ackward and rushed. They could've saved it for the Extended Edition as an extension of the little flashback in the scene where Gollum says "We did it before, we can do it again."

Perhaps a better beginning would've been to either show more of The Road to Isengard, or show Isildur curse the Dead or something else along those lines.

[Darth Vegas]

Here is a nice article, with what I believe is a nice image from the Witch-King/Gandalf confrontation...

http://www.cgnetworks.com/story_custom.php...y_id=1883&page= (http://www.cgnetworks.com/story_custom.php?story_id=1883&page=)

[Seanakin]

Originally posted by Leia+Jan 5 2004, 10:15 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leia @ Jan 5 2004, 10:15 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Blizzard@Jan 5 2004, 12:43 AM
And the fact that Faramir and Eowyn get married.

With as long as the movie was, they definitely wouldn't have been able to put that in especially since it doesn't involve any of the fellowship! But at Aragorn's coronation they're standing together so I'm sure that was a nod to the fact that they get married. [/b][/quote]
That and the token (pun unintended) nod to Eomer King. I understand dumbing down the first movie by making it more Frodo-centric, but couldn't they have loosened up a bit by now and thrown in more goodies?

Anyway, I already can't wait for the DVD, if only because I HATE having to go see it in movie theaters.

[Leia]

Really? With these movies, the big screen is the way to go

[Seanakin]

Indeed it is, but I just can't stand having to deal with all the other people in the room. Call me a misanthrope, but it's how I am.

[Rojo]

Originally posted by Seanakin@Jan 10 2004, 06:47 AM
Indeed it is, but I just can't stand having to deal with all the other people in the room. Call me a misanthrope, but it's how I am.
I know how you feel Seanakin. There should be two types of theatre screening, one for people who want to see the movie and one for people who want to rustle food wrappers, slurp drinks and yabber to each other all the way through. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

[Marbleman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>There should be two types of theatre screening, one for people who want to see the movie and one for people who want to rustle food wrappers, slurp drinks and yabber to each other all the way through. [/b][/quote]

Either that or they care TOO MUCH. The god of all nerds sat in front of me and everytime a scene diverted from the book, he commented on it. The authorities ruled it a justified homicide.

[Gazelle]

Anyone know when ROTK will be a dvd?

[Darth Vegas]

Probably around August. Extended Edition in November.

[Gazelle]

So do we wait 'til November and get the bigger piece of cake?

[Darth Vegas]

No. They're both worth having. As far as I'm concerned.

[Leia]

we have both of the first two movies. They both have different documentaries on them

[Agent Sith]

talk about a waste of money

[Darth Vegas]

Some people can afford to waste money.

[Justin]

And if you preorder the Return of the King DVD from Blockbuster you'll get seven free rentals.

[The Prism]

Originally posted by TK-007@Jan 15 2004, 10:47 AM
Probably around August. Extended Edition in November.
Somehow I doubt it'll take that long for this DVD. The other two took that long because the filmmakers were working on the next installments at the same time as the dvd's.

[Justin]

It won't make a difference, Prism. The filmmakers are off doing other things now, their lives don't revolve around LOTR.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Justin@Jan 15 2004, 10:51 PM
It won't make a difference, Prism. The filmmakers are off doing other things now, their lives don't revolve around LOTR.
Yup.And not to mention that Howard Shore has yet to score the Extended Edition of ROTK yet, they got a ton of effects shots to turn in...lots of work to be done. And ROTK is still going very strong at the box office, and probably will still be several months from now.

Don't expect any ROTK dvds until late Summer.

[Mann]

With no more movies to make or try and hype with a DVD release, I expect an earlier release from the LOTR makers. Sure they have lots to do, but they probably have completeed alot of it already, but it had to be cut.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Jan 15 2004, 11:27 PM
With no more movies to make or try and hype with a DVD release, I expect an earlier release from the LOTR makers.
Then you should lower your expectations.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Jan 17 2004, 04:07 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Jan 17 2004, 04:07 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Jan 15 2004, 11:27 PM
With no more movies to make or try and hype with a DVD release, I expect an earlier release from the LOTR makers.
Then you should lower your expectations. [/b][/quote]
Where's the release date that you seem to have?

[Siamese Sith]

I dunno how true this is, but years ago I heard that the DVD is ready at the same time as the theatrical release for most movies in case it tanks in the theaters.

[Agent Sith]

Originally posted by TK-007@Jan 15 2004, 11:54 PM
Some people can afford to waste money.
i got tons of money and but why waste it on stupid things

[Leia]

Weeell, it depends on if you really want to be able to watch the trailers and documentaries that are on the original edition. There's actually nothing that the two editions of the DVD's share. The movie is different and the special features are different.

[Agent Sith]

one of my friends has both versions. i guess its only good if you wanna see what its like to view the theatrical version. but i think true fans should want every piece shot to be shown.

[Justin]

There are also cool things on the theatrical DVD like the trailers and such which aren't on the extended DVD.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann+Jan 17 2004, 12:20 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Jan 17 2004, 12:20 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by TK-007@Jan 17 2004, 04:07 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Jan 15 2004, 11:27 PM
With no more movies to make or try and hype with a DVD release, I expect an earlier release from the LOTR makers.
Then you should lower your expectations.
Where's the release date that you seem to have? [/b][/quote]
The word from those in the know on these sorta things, is that this is going to be released around the same time that the other LOTR dvds were.

So if you've heard rumors about an early release date for the Return of the King dvd, don't get your hopes up, cause' it ain't likely to happen.

You know they aren't going to be releasing this thing when it's still doing good in theaters, and I'm sure that just as FOTR and TTT ROTK will have a long run in theaters.

[Agent Sith]

i hate how their making it a big deal on how ROTK will surpass (well maybe) Finding Nemo for the highest Box-office rating in 2003. well duhhhhhh, ROTK barely has any competition where Finding Nemo had lots of crapping overrated movies to compete with this summer.

[Greedo Boy]

There's no such thing as competition for a Lord of the Rings movie.

[Justin]

I guess you're a big Finding Nemo fan, Agent Sith.

I hope ROTK will surpass Titanic. It's doubtfull, but that would be cool.

[brookie]

can anyone here speak elvish?

[Agent Sith]

you could leave ROTK, or Finding Nemo, or Spiderman or Star Wars in the theaters for another 2 years and it wouldnt beat out Titanic

[brookie]

yes umm can anyone speak elvish.....? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

[Leia]

I wish. I would very much like to. I know a girl who translates it... Why do you ask?

[brookie]

Originally posted by Leia@Jan 19 2004, 12:25 AM
I wish. I would very much like to. I know a girl who translates it... Why do you ask?
well i dont know anybody who does, i too, would very much like to learn it, but the reason why i ask is cause i would really like to know what Aragon said to legolas in elvish at the end of the ROTK.

can you help?
pwease! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Leia]

I had wondered the very same thing! I'll ask that girl... But I'm not sure if she can translate only written words or if she can do spoken as well...

[Darth Vegas]

All he said was "Thank you."

Said the exact same thing to Legolas when Legolas gave him back the pendant in The Tower Towers.

[Rojo]

Originally posted by brookie+Jan 19 2004, 05:30 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brookie @ Jan 19 2004, 05:30 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Leia@Jan 19 2004, 12:25 AM
I wish.* I would very much like to.* I know a girl who translates it...* Why do you ask?
well i dont know anybody who does, i too, would very much like to learn it, but the reason why i ask is cause i would really like to know what Aragon said to legolas in elvish at the end of the ROTK.

can you help?
pwease! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif [/b][/quote]
I agree with Bond, but that song he sung after he was crowned means:

"Out of the great sea I am come to Middle-earth, here shall I abide and my heirs uintil the breaking of the world."

Or something like that, I don't have my book with me.

[brookie]

thanks a lot guys.!

[JediJaina]

I have to see this movie in the theater again before it leaves!

[Leia]

me too!!!! Maybe I can see it tomorrow since Justin's got the day off. oooo, I hope so!

[Justin]

Return of the King won all four Golden Globes it was nominated for, Best Score, Best Song, Best Director and Best Picture. Eat it, Cold Mountain!

[Leia]

You're so funny style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[Brian]

Yeah, that's great, but Cold Mountain will get the Oscar. Watch and see. I mean, A Beautiful Mind be FOTR! How?! Chicago beat TTT? I can see why--TTT didn't really have an ending, but still...

It's good to see Peter Jackson get some props. I bet Sophia Copala wins the Oscar though. Watch and see.

But none of the cast will get nods for acting.

And Howard Shore won the Globe, but he probably can't even be nominated for the Oscar because of that deriviative work rule I guess. But the score is fantastic.

[Mann]

Brian...no

ROTK has the momentum to win. If the Press deems it the best, like they deemed A Beautiful Mind and Chicago, then this movie will win. Lost in Translation seems its most formidable candidate, but it wont win because its small, independent and not nearly as necessary to reward.

[Brian]

Yeah, good points, but I'm just not getting my hopes up. Don't get me wrong, I WANT ROTK to win, but the film I wanted to hasn't won in years. I think the last one was --- hell, I can't even remember.

[T-bone]

So who's got a good boot?
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Brian]

I have some waterproof gortex boots that I use when I'm doing field research. They're pretty old though.

[Agent Sith]

Originally posted by Mann@Jan 26 2004, 02:15 AM
Brian...no

ROTK has the momentum to win. If the Press deems it the best, like they deemed A Beautiful Mind and Chicago, then this movie will win. Lost in Translation seems its most formidable candidate, but it wont win because its small, independent and not nearly as necessary to reward.
more reason for it to win.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Agent Sith+Feb 1 2004, 06:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Agent Sith @ Feb 1 2004, 06:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Jan 26 2004, 02:15 AM
Brian...no

ROTK has the momentum to win. If the Press deems it the best, like they deemed A Beautiful Mind and Chicago, then this movie will win. Lost in Translation seems its most formidable candidate, but it wont win because its small, independent and not nearly as necessary to reward.
more reason for it to win. [/b][/quote]
what? LOTR...yes!

[Agent Sith]

Originally posted by Mann+Feb 1 2004, 02:11 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Feb 1 2004, 02:11 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Agent Sith@Feb 1 2004, 06:57 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Jan 26 2004, 02:15 AM
Brian...no

ROTK has the momentum to win. If the Press deems it the best, like they deemed A Beautiful Mind and Chicago, then this movie will win. Lost in Translation seems its most formidable candidate, but it wont win because its small, independent and not nearly as necessary to reward.
more reason for it to win.
what? LOTR...yes! [/b][/quote]
haha, you know what movie i meant style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Mann]

ok Sith, name the last small movie to win best Picture...

[Mann]

hehehe style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

http://geekesq.20megsfree.com/rotkeatsnemo3.jpg

I only wish, to catch a fish, so juicy sweet!

[Brian]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Justin]

Where'd you find that?

[Mann]

Oscarwatch.com. Those people are funny.

[Justin]

Originally posted by T'bone@Feb 1 2004, 01:40 PM
So who's got a good boot?
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif
I thought the GS' stance on piracy was that it was a no-no. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Brian]

I guess Johnny Depp's boots in Pirates of the Carribbean were pretty cool. But other than that, I don't see the problem, Justin. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Seanakin]

Despite living more than 20 years in central Wyoming, I still have yet to wear any boots, and therefore have none to spare, Chancellor. Sorry. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif


style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Leia]

Originally posted by Mann@Feb 1 2004, 02:39 PM
ok Sith, name the last small movie to win best Picture...
Um, and it wasn't even a good movie...

[Agent Sith]

Originally posted by Leia+Feb 1 2004, 11:23 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leia @ Feb 1 2004, 11:23 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Feb 1 2004, 02:39 PM
ok Sith, name the last small movie to win best Picture...
Um, and it wasn't even a good movie... [/b][/quote]
i need to see it this week. I think it HAS to be somewhat good cause almost no critics gave it a bad write-up. but then I wasnt the biggest fan of ROTK and lots of critics liked it. I liked it but didnt love it

[Leia]

I thought it was going to be a great movie, and then I watched it and was like Hunh?? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[brookie]

Originally posted by Agent Sith+Feb 2 2004, 12:19 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Agent Sith @ Feb 2 2004, 12:19 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Leia@Feb 1 2004, 11:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Feb 1 2004, 02:39 PM
ok Sith, name the last small movie to win best Picture...
Um, and it wasn't even a good movie...
i need to see it this week. I think it HAS to be somewhat good cause almost no critics gave it a bad write-up. but then I wasnt the biggest fan of ROTK and lots of critics liked it. I liked it but didnt love it [/b][/quote]
ummm critics suck, and i would think that movie buffs such as your selves wouldnt follow the mindless drones of sheep who gorge themselves on the critics mindless drible that they spew from their filthy little pie holes who happen to have a large amount of crap up THEIR ass.

[Leia]

ouch. oh the cynacism! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Mann]

Originally posted by brookie+Feb 3 2004, 04:00 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brookie @ Feb 3 2004, 04:00 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Agent Sith@Feb 2 2004, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by Leia@Feb 1 2004, 11:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Feb 1 2004, 02:39 PM
ok Sith, name the last small movie to win best Picture...
Um, and it wasn't even a good movie...
i need to see it this week. I think it HAS to be somewhat good cause almost no critics gave it a bad write-up. but then I wasnt the biggest fan of ROTK and lots of critics liked it. I liked it but didnt love it
ummm critics suck, and i would think that movie buffs such as your selves wouldnt follow the mindless drones of sheep who gorge themselves on the critics mindless drible that they spew from their filthy little pie holes who happen to have a large amount of crap up THEIR ass. [/b][/quote]
you are bordering on really raunchy imagery. On another board I think that would be appropriate.

And some critics pick good movies...the New York Ciritcs gave ROTK best picture OVER Lost in translation and Mystic River... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Agent Sith]

she makes a good point. most critics are pathetic and talk about the most pathetic job in the world. but i think we sorta need them to somewhat get an idea if a movie is decent.

I see movies that fall into two catagoies to me: moives that i will DEFINATELY go see and ones that i need to hear if the majority of people like cause ill probably like it too.

for example, I'll go see Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or a James Cameron movie or a Spielburg movie or a Tarantino movie and other types no matter what critics or friends of mine say about them. just cause im a fan and dont give two $hits about their opinion. thats why critics are worthless in this world and shouldnt exist.

another example, I need to hear if a movie is decent or not to sway my vote on playing $7 to go see it in the theater. some movies that I kinda wanted to see but wasnt sure if they would be good or not were Paycheck or Last Samuria. They looked somewhat decent but i just didnt hear the best reviews on them and my friends said they were just average

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Agent Sith@Feb 5 2004, 08:39 PM
she makes a good point. most critics are pathetic and talk about the most pathetic job in the world.
Hey they probably make more money than you, and they're more well known and respected. I wouldn't exactly call that pathetic.

And I definitely agree with some critics was more often than I agree with you about movies.

I think most people would agree with alot of what the critics here (http://www.chud.com) have to say.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Agent Sith@Feb 6 2004, 04:39 AM
she makes a good point. most critics are pathetic and talk about the most pathetic job in the world. but i think we sorta need them to somewhat get an idea if a movie is decent.

I see movies that fall into two catagoies to me: moives that i will DEFINATELY go see and ones that i need to hear if the majority of people like cause ill probably like it too.

for example, I'll go see Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or a James Cameron movie or a Spielburg movie or a Tarantino movie and other types no matter what critics or friends of mine say about them. just cause im a fan and dont give two $hits about their opinion. thats why critics are worthless in this world and shouldnt exist.

another example, I need to hear if a movie is decent or not to sway my vote on playing $7 to go see it in the theater. some movies that I kinda wanted to see but wasnt sure if they would be good or not were Paycheck or Last Samuria. They looked somewhat decent but i just didnt hear the best reviews on them and my friends said they were just average
This statement just sounds like acomplete turn around of its intention if that makes sense...you sound like you agree with critics but you hate them.

You realize that this "majority" that you call them is usually what critics believe. Its called word of mouth. People say they heard a movie was good...its cause a critic mentioned it, the person saw it and it was good. can you say: LOST IN TRANSLATION? WHALE RIDER? MYSTIC RIVER? All these got big reviews and got the money and love of audeinces (LiT cost 4 million, and made 40 million...success do to critics)

Also Critics LIKE Tarantino ALOT! Kill Bill got some amazing reviews. All his movies have been wel received. They also like LOTR, James Cameron, and Steven Speilbberg. So why you are yelling at them, I don't know.

[brookie]

Originally posted by TK-007+Feb 6 2004, 01:21 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Feb 6 2004, 01:21 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Agent Sith@Feb 5 2004, 08:39 PM
she makes a good point.* most critics are pathetic and talk about the most pathetic job in the world.
Hey they probably make more money than you, and they're more well known and respected. I wouldn't exactly call that pathetic.

And I definitely agree with some critics was more often than I agree with you about movies.

I think most people would agree with alot of what the critics here (http://www.chud.com) have to say. [/b][/quote]
i dont respect them, and when did how much money determine a persons worth?

[brookie]

anywhooo... i love LOTR

[frootylupes]

whens return of the king schedualed for dvd?

[Agent Sith]

Originally posted by brookie+Feb 6 2004, 01:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(brookie @ Feb 6 2004, 01:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by TK-007@Feb 6 2004, 01:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Agent Sith@Feb 5 2004, 08:39 PM
she makes a good point.* most critics are pathetic and talk about the most pathetic job in the world.
Hey they probably make more money than you, and they're more well known and respected. I wouldn't exactly call that pathetic.

And I definitely agree with some critics was more often than I agree with you about movies.

I think most people would agree with alot of what the critics here (http://www.chud.com) have to say.
i dont respect them, and when did how much money determine a persons worth? [/b][/quote]
cause this is how Mann and Bond get their kicks. they like to poke fun at people who dont know EVERYTHING about movies and crap that pretty much no one cares about.

and you dont know me Bond. you dont know how respected I am or how much I am worth. and yes Brookie, money doesnt show how great of a person you are. But to these two, I bet I earn way more than you. and if you wanna get into numbers, dont. cause you'll lose. and yes, lets get back to talking about how great LOTRs is because this thread is just a war zone between Mann and I

[Seanakin]

Originally posted by frootylupes@Feb 6 2004, 10:33 AM
whens return of the king schedualed for dvd?
Word is May 25 for the temporary, throwaway (read:Theatrical Cut) version, I can only assume the Expensive Edition will be out come November.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Agent Sith+Feb 6 2004, 08:38 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Agent Sith @ Feb 6 2004, 08:38 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by brookie@Feb 6 2004, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by TK-007@Feb 6 2004, 01:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Agent Sith@Feb 5 2004, 08:39 PM
she makes a good point.* most critics are pathetic and talk about the most pathetic job in the world.
Hey they probably make more money than you, and they're more well known and respected. I wouldn't exactly call that pathetic.

And I definitely agree with some critics was more often than I agree with you about movies.

I think most people would agree with alot of what the critics here (http://www.chud.com) have to say.
i dont respect them, and when did how much money determine a persons worth?
cause this is how Mann and Bond get their kicks. they like to poke fun at people who dont know EVERYTHING about movies and crap that pretty much no one cares about.

and you dont know me Bond. you dont know how respected I am or how much I am worth. and yes Brookie, money doesnt show how great of a person you are. But to these two, I bet I earn way more than you. and if you wanna get into numbers, dont. cause you'll lose. and yes, lets get back to talking about how great LOTRs is because this thread is just a war zone between Mann and I [/b][/quote]
so why do you degrade a person becaus they have a job that they are hired to do. And why hate the job? The get to watch and get to write their opinions on films. We do that on this site, but these guys get paid for it.

And Sith, don't start the bashing of people. You say that money doesn't make a person, then you say me and Bond are basically pathetic and you make more than us. gee kind of contradicts your statement huh?

[Count Dookie]

Originally posted by Mann+Feb 6 2004, 08:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Feb 6 2004, 08:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Agent Sith@Feb 6 2004, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by brookie@Feb 6 2004, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by TK-007@Feb 6 2004, 01:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Agent Sith@Feb 5 2004, 08:39 PM
she makes a good point.* most critics are pathetic and talk about the most pathetic job in the world.
Hey they probably make more money than you, and they're more well known and respected. I wouldn't exactly call that pathetic.

And I definitely agree with some critics was more often than I agree with you about movies.

I think most people would agree with alot of what the critics here (http://www.chud.com) have to say.
i dont respect them, and when did how much money determine a persons worth?
cause this is how Mann and Bond get their kicks. they like to poke fun at people who dont know EVERYTHING about movies and crap that pretty much no one cares about.

and you dont know me Bond. you dont know how respected I am or how much I am worth. and yes Brookie, money doesnt show how great of a person you are. But to these two, I bet I earn way more than you. and if you wanna get into numbers, dont. cause you'll lose. and yes, lets get back to talking about how great LOTRs is because this thread is just a war zone between Mann and I
so why do you degrade a person becaus they have a job that they are hired to do. And why hate the job? The get to watch and get to write their opinions on films. We do that on this site, but these guys get paid for it.

And Sith, don't start the bashing of people. You say that money doesn't make a person, then you say me and Bond are basically pathetic and you make more than us. gee kind of contradicts your statement huh? [/b][/quote]
Ok guys enought fighting....Sith, you will never win as long as you let Mann goat you into getting upset and then posting things you should have.

(just pat Mann on the head and say, "That's a good boy" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif )

In all seriousness....the bickering is fun but the mods don't like it...

Yes, this is actually coming from me, Mann. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/innocent.gif

[Seanakin]

http://www.galacticsenate.com/uploads/post-22-1063545963.jpg

[T-bone]

Don't make me come in here.

[Leia]

The Lord of the Rings movies are the best movies ever made. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif There, that was on topic style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Blizzard]

And the King is HOT!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif

[Justin]

I have a recent VB magazine that has an article regarding the DVD relase dates, I will get back with that information tomorrow.

Also, regarding the theatrical edition DVDs...they aren't "throwaways." They have different special features than the Extended Editions, and to me that alone is worth owning both, other than the fact that the movies are still great. In fact, I will go so far as to say that the theatrical version of Two Towers is just as good if not better than the Extended Version

[brookie]

SO, i have a question, i havent read the whole trilogy yet, im still on the fellowship, but this guy that i work with, said that at the end of the movie, frodo went with the elves to the west, right? well he said that the elves went to the west to die, did they really die, go there to die? so frodo died?


ahh never mind, T the wise cleared it all up

[Darth Vegas]

No that is not true that the Elves go there to die. The Elves are going into the west to Valinor, it's kind of a Valhalla for the Elves, a country that isn't within this dimension that only the Elves can enter (this is all explained in the book The Silmarillion).

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