MOVIES: The Lord of the Rings & Related Films

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Darth_Rageaholic@Nov 17 2003, 10:00 AM
He has to be in the movie. you see if he isnt then who would play saurman and be the one to accuse pippin of having the ring like in the books. he has to be in there since he was in the first two.
I don't know how they're going to manage itt but from Peter Jackson's comments it seemed very clear to me that the one and only scene with Saruman had been cut from the film.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Nov 18 2003, 03:45 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Nov 18 2003, 03:45 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Darth_Rageaholic@Nov 17 2003, 10:00 AM
He has to be in the movie. you see if he isnt then who would play saurman and be the one to accuse pippin of having the ring like in the books. he has to be in there since he was in the first two.
I don't know how they're going to manage itt but from Peter Jackson's comments it seemed very clear to me that the one and only scene with Saruman had been cut from the film. [/b][/quote]
from what i've got from other interviews, PJ film another scene but with someone else other than Chrsiopther Lee.

[Darth Vegas]

I don't think so, he was referring to the same scene, obviously this other person was a stunt double, just as was used in the Wizards battle in FOTR.

Gazelle reported this of Christopher Lee's interview:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He shot "seven minutes" of footage which he called "climactic scenes" but that the Saruman in the final fight sequence is not played by him.[/b][/quote]
Lee was likely referring tothe moments leading to Saruman's fall from the tower onto a Spike.

[Darth Vegas]

So who bought the Extended Two Towers dvd? Whose watched it? Who wants to bump up Javen's thread so we can talk about it?

[Seanakin]

A la peanut butter sandwiches....BUMP. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Thank you. Well I've watched through the film once now just to see all the new scenes and everything, I've watched all the docs and I'm making my way through the second disk with Writers/Director commentary.

Very very nice... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Seanakin]

I liked it, but the more I watch these things, the more I wonder if they should've bypassed the clumsy theatrical cuts altogether and released these films straight to DVD.

[Darth Vegas]

Well that would kinda take away from the experience of seeing the film on the big screen.

But at least they're re-releasing the films in the Extended cuts for short time (and there's a good bet that they'll release the Extended Edition of ROTK in theaters sometime next year or the year after I hear).

I quite liked the theatrical cuts of both the films so far, some little plot threads don't quite make sense without seeing the Extended Editions but the moments like that are few and far between.

Plus not everyone is willing to sit through 4 hours versions of the movies.

[Seanakin]

Originally posted by TK-007@Nov 19 2003, 07:45 AM
Well that would kinda take away from the experience of seeing the film on the big screen.
You'll need to work a little harder than that to dissuade me. Yes, I wouldn't get to see the film on a big screen, but I'd also be spared the hassles of driving across town, paying outrageous ticket prices, being herded around with a bunch of other people, etc. After some nearby loudmouth completely destroyed my experience with seeing Episode II for the first time (granted, Episode II contributed a bit to that end as well), I have no patience for the so-called big screen. The only big thing I treasure is the sound, and since I have a reasonable facsimile here at my place, I see no reason why I should have to suffer the indignity of theater-going.

I wouldn't be so down on the short cuts of these films if the EE versions didn't make them seem so inferior, ya know?

[JediKeri]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif My Extended version DVD is on the way! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[Darth Vegas]

I can see where you're coming from Seanakin, but for me nothing beats seeing these films opening night with all the fans. That always a fun experience for me. It's nice that the theaters here let us bring whatever snacks we want too, so the only thing we'd have to pay for would be the tickets, and often there are free ticket deals (like with the FOTR: EE there was a free ticket for The Two Towers).

I geuss it's just the sheer excitement of it all, everyone seems excited to see the film, everyone's yelling and cheering, it can be fun.

[Vibroblade]

I still actually like going to the theater.


Nothing beats opening night of a blockbuster. The energy in the crowd is much akin to a sporting event. It brings a new level of enjoyment to the picture from my POV.

[Javen]

I didn't see Fellowship until a week after it opened. So it there wasn't alot of people. But for TTT I went opening night and it was great.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Vibroblade@Nov 20 2003, 12:49 AM
I still actually like going to the theater.


Nothing beats opening night of a blockbuster. The energy in the crowd is much akin to a sporting event. It brings a new level of enjoyment to the picture from my POV.
Me too.

[Phil Tinajero]

I watched the Extended Cut last night and I liked it better than the FOTR:EE. But when they extend scenes by adding little tiny things, it just bugs me a bit. Putting a whole new scene is okay, but there's no need to fix a scene that isn't broken in the first place.

I liked how this cut really reimagined Faramir's character. When I first saw TTT I thought Faramir was very poorly portrayed and invisioned in the film, but seeing the EE just let me see the whole story. All he was trying to do was please his father by getting the One Ring. And I liked how the "a chance for Faramir, captain of Gondor to show his quality" was made into a little reoccuring line this time around, to show that he was mocking Denethor in a way.

I also liked the moment between Aragorn and Eowyn, where he was pretending to like her awful soup. It took some weight off of her character and made her kind of cute for a little while.

All in all, I loved the DVD.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Gandalf@Nov 19 2003, 09:04 PM
Putting a whole new scene is okay, but there's no need to fix a scene that isn't broken in the first place.
That's not the reason for it. It's just to add more depth, often those scenes were originally planned to be longer.

[Aurra Sing]

Grr, I need to get it. I have no money. Is it worth buying now? Stupid question, I know. I need Christmas money though! Ahh! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Well I didn't have money when I bought it, but I had it the day after. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Yes it's worth buying, of course. Perhaps worth waiting to see in theaters along with Return of the King.

[T-bone]

Yea - and all that stuff about Denethor will come into play in the next film. The REAL reason he wants that ring so badly - is a reason even he's not really aware of... Excellent stuff.

Why on earth people can't imagine that people would actually sit through a four hour film is beyond me. They watch TV for hours on end but a movie in a nice theater on a bigass screen with food and stuff...I'd sit there all damn day.

I had to sit through that crappy Titanic for 3 1/2 hours. I can definitely sit through almost 4 hours of any LOTR film. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Javen]

Originally posted by T'bone@Nov 20 2003, 09:21 AM

Why on earth people can't imagine that people would actually sit through a four hour film is beyond me. They watch TV for hours on end but a movie in a nice theater on a bigass screen with food and stuff...I'd sit there all damn day.

I had to sit through that crappy Titanic for 3 1/2 hours. I can definitely sit through almost 4 hours of any LOTR film. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
I could to. I went with my bro and his kid. We saw Hulk and Finding Nemo back to back.

[Aurra Sing]

I'd sit in the movies for as long as they would let me with an ocasional run in between or my muscles crap out. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Yes, Titantic was a waste of money and time. LOTR is worth it.

[Mann]

Hey look at it this way: They can't make a Titanic 2! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[Aurra Sing]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif Whew

[Justin]

The biggest reason that the LOTR movies were cut shorter is because of the amount of showings they can do. I read somewhere that if they released the Fellowship of the Ring in theatres the way it appears in the Extended Version they would have lost like 40 million dollars or something like that.

I personally don't have a problem with the shorter versions. I enjoy the Extended Versions because they go into more depth, but the theatrical versions are no less enjoyable for me.

[Phil Tinajero]

I watched the movie with PJ, Fran Walsh, and Phillipa Boyens' commentary today. It was great and really insightful. And they were thinking exactly what I was. And that was to release a chronological re-edit of the entire trilogy. I don't think I'd buy any more LOTR DVD's after the ROTK:EE, but it still seems like a good idea.

Also, PJ was talking about wanting to show the battle scenes in Lothlorien and Rivendell in ROTK, but thinking of it at the last second. That sucks, when I read the appendices that's something I really wanted to see. But it's not in the books or films because it doesn't relate to the heroes at all, but then again it could relate to Elrond and Galadriel. Oh well.

[Darth Vegas]

I think it'll be in the Extended Edition maybe. Or in the 50th anniversary edition. I'd like to see the scene they shot of young Aragorn and Arwen when they first met that PJ talked about on the commentary as well, that'd be neat.

On the inside flap of the TTT soundtrack Pete suggested that there could be a dvd set edited so you can watch the whole trilogy as one film.

[Justin]

That would be neat.

[Darth Vegas]

I hope the dead (from the paths of the Dead that is) look nothing like they do in the video game. They don't look as scary and grotesque as they should be and they glow really bright.

Also, it appears there's more flashbacks with Baromir in Return of the King, his name is listed in the credits on the poster.

And I got some very nice pics, I'll post them a bit later...

[Darth Vegas]

And here's a very nice interview with Howard Shore, he talks about a huge box set dvd as well as the complete Lord of the Rings soundtrack box set, it'll even include unused music! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

http://www.soundtrack.net/features/article/?id=111

And here's something kinda neat: http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/9732

[Darth Vegas]

Pippin with the Palantiri:

[Darth Vegas]

The Hordes of Minas Morgul:

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Nov 22 2003, 04:46 AM
The Hordes of Minas Morgul:
Art Direction award is comming.......

[Darth Vegas]

Here's a nice article with Andy Serkis and Elijah Wood. Serkis denies involvement with King Kong, but Elijah Wood has this to say about The Hobbit:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Then there's The Hobbit, Tolkien's prequel to the Rings adventures. Wood says that while the crews in New Zealand are up for it, Jackson initially said no because he had already invested a large part of his life in the trilogy.

"At this point, Peter's now considering it because I think he just doesn't want anyone else to do it. If it's done, he knows and I think everybody else knows, that the only way to do it is to continue it in New Zealand with the same artists so that it has some sort of visual continuity to these films. So, you never know."[/b][/quote]

And some nice magazine scans, pics from ROTK and interviews....

http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/1142

And some "Exclusive" ROTK images at IGN (http://mediaviewer.ign.com/mediaviewer.jsp?fromint=1&page_title=Exclusive+%3Ci%3EReturn+of+the+King%3C% 2Fi%3E+Movie+Images%21&article_id=441760&channel_id=147&site=filmforce&pagetype=medialist&object1=487665&adtag=network%3Dign).

[Javen]

On the DVD I really enjoyed the Andy Serlkis interview and how they come about making Gollum. I also ejoyed the commentery with the writers and how they went about with changes from the book.

[Aurra Sing]

I liked the minatures! That is what I want to eventually do some day. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by T'bone@Nov 20 2003, 09:21 AM
Why on earth people can't imagine that people would actually sit through a four hour film is beyond me. They watch TV for hours on end but a movie in a nice theater on a bigass screen with food and stuff...I'd sit there all damn day.

I had to sit through that crappy Titanic for 3 1/2 hours. I can definitely sit through almost 4 hours of any LOTR film. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Well, for me, my back starts itching and hurting in those movie seats. Plus, at home ,it's nice to put it on pause and go get a drink or whatever.

And can anyone tell me why Titanic was so popular at the theaters and why it made so much $. All I hear people do is "rag" on it but yet it set a B.O record. I watched it once in the theater and I don't think I ever need to see it again. It was obviously depressing. The pecial effects were good but I didn't think the movie was all that great.

And I agree with T-bone. If I'm going to sit through a really long movie in the theater, It's either going to be a Star Wars(I wish) or LOTR.

[Gendi]

On the extra titled "The Battle for Helm's Deep is Over" PJ talks about how the scene where Saruman is confronted at Isengard will make a great opening for ROTK. I wonder when these interviews were filmed? Long ago or this year?
I love to see movies at the theatre. It's a great experience...normally. If you end up sitting around somebody that likes to talk on their phone or to their friends or some other annoying thing it can be disappointing. But most people are pretty courteous.

[T-bone]

I was a little taken aback by that comment in the commentary where he talks about the Saruman at Orthanc/Palantir scene. I couldn't believe I was hearing that. He was basically saying that the scene would make a much better opening to a film than an ending (which I disagree with anyhow...) but in his reasoning for his latest decision NOT to include it in the ROTK theatrical edition, he says that when it's in there he feels like the film is starting by ending the other film and not beginning a new one. Those statements totally contradict each other and the only thing I can think of is that when he did the TTT commentary he had no real edit of ROTK yet...but still, I think these extended DVDs are making him think about the films differently. It's really the theatrical ones people are going to remember so writing this off and saying, "Oh they'll still have it on this other DVD version," to me is just not good enough. I think it's quite en important scene in the film and I wonder how they're going to explain how Gandalf GOT that Palantir in the first place. Seems cheap to me...

[Agent Sith]

Originally posted by T'bone@Nov 23 2003, 05:44 PM
It's really the theatrical ones people are going to remember so writing this off and saying, "Oh they'll still have it on this other DVD version," to me is just not good enough.
cough.....George Lucas......cough

[Justin]

Indeed, Agent Sith.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Agent Sith+Nov 23 2003, 11:52 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Agent Sith @ Nov 23 2003, 11:52 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-T'bone@Nov 23 2003, 05:44 PM
It's really the theatrical ones people are going to remember so writing this off and saying, "Oh they'll still have it on this other DVD version," to me is just not good enough.
cough.....George Lucas......cough [/b][/quote]
*high Five*

Spot on. Do we really need another "Ultimate Edition" of SW?

[Darth Vegas]

Do you really need to watch movies at all? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif :sarcasm:

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Nov 24 2003, 08:12 AM
Do you really need to watch movies at all? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif :sarcasm:
yes, i do. very much so. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>cough.....George Lucas......cough [/b][/quote]

What important scenes did he put on a DVD version of the film that wasn't in a theatrical release? IMPORTANT scenes, I'm talking. Lucas altered his theatrical versions and re-released them. He didn't add 40+ minutes to the films just for the DVD versions and he certainly didn't leave out any gravely important scenes, which to me this Saruman scene is.

[Darth Vegas]

Ya know, I wasn't too hyped up about the look for the Witch King in this film, that is until this new image surfaced style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[Grim Jackal]

Sweeeeeet. Roll on Boxing Day...

In the meantime, I'm lovin' the TTT EE. It looks amazing and the content is just a dream. It's so well put together. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that the LotR films would be crafted so completely and perfectly in every aspect, but Peter Jackson and the huge number of tremendously dedicated people working for him pulled it off.

And how!

[Darth Vegas]

Yup, that's why they deserve to win everything listed here (http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/orig/9867_orig.jpg) for The Return of the King (and perhaps a special achievment award for Andy Serkis, at least a technical achievment award).

[Vibroblade]

Yea, guys I'm with T here. I love the LOTR movies too, but it is simply unfair to not be honest about this. PJ is perhaps even worse than GL when it comes to the releasing of different versions of his movies. I wasn't paying attention last time and bought FOTR and then found out the extended version was coming out in a couple of months. Really, that was kinda low and I'm a firm believer in the concept of capitalism. Seems to me like the movies are primarily being made for DVD and then converted to a theatrical release. Who knows this might be the wave of the future but it sorta bugs me right now.

[T-bone]

http://www.newstream.com/us/public_story.html?11446

[Mann]

To the People that think that LOTR is a second rate effects movie:

http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/8933.jpg

[Justin]

I don't understand why people are so upset about this, especially if you know the scene will be on the Extended Edition DVD. I don't remember Saruman doing anything important in ROTK other than the Scouring of the Shire business, and that is practically an afterthought. I will be a little disappointed if Saruman isn't in the movie at all, but I won't lose sleep over it.

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't remember Saruman doing anything important in ROTK other than the Scouring of the Shire business, and that is practically an afterthought. [/b][/quote]

But this scene is from the Two Towers and it is quite important in the sense that the palantir is thrown down to the crew and that's a very important plot device which you will see in ROTK. The problem I have is that there's no closure to his character at all. It's not so much for pepole who have read the books but I can see a lot of people who haven't saying, "Hey what happened to that white haired evil wizard with the big nose?" They probably won't remember til on the way home, but it's still sort of like leaving yourself open for some negative criticism. Not everyone's going to buy that extended DVD - certainly not the casual movie buyer who just likes to buy a movie here and there. It's almost like they're getting cheated - especially if they don't know about the extended one. Not everyone's that deep into their movie news which is why you still see ads on TV etc...however I still don't think everyone's gonna buy it.

Then again, it seems that the fans are the only ones upset about this issue and the fans are the ones who are going to see the extended dvd anyhow so... I don't know!

All I know is that as a fan, and an amateur filmmaker, I'd say that's a key scene to leave out and as I've said, I'm VERY curious now to see how they explain how Gandalf and co. get the Palantir from the tower of Orthanc. ANyone know?

[Obidobi]

In the film......No!
In the book...Yes!

[T-bone]

I meant in the film style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Justin]

Who knows...something tells me that there will be something involving him but it won't be a big scene.

[Darth Vegas]

He was only going to have one scene in the movie, and it was style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif cut.

[JediKeri]

oh seesh, we'll probably get to see it in the extended version...dunno why Mr. Lee or you guys have to make such a fuss about it.

[Darth Vegas]

That one's not all that impressive, but these are!!!

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/1159

[T-bone]

I think if you knew the story you'd agree.

[Darth Vegas]

Yes I second that. And not only for that reason, but because ROTK was to be one of the last films of Lee's career, Episode 3 probably being his very last.

Story-wise it makes no sense, and it's a real tradgedy for Mr. Lee.

I think it'd be nice if they take this chance to change Saruman's death back to the Shire.

[Mann]

Actually that pic I posted is extremly impressive. Its mostly because the lighting effects are so detailed because its CGI, but it acts like light reflecting off all the soldiers.

Those pics you posted were impresive also, although i think they said aragorn leading the Dea was a staged pic for a magazine.

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Actually that pic I posted is extremly impressive. [/b][/quote]
I don't think so. It's nothing we havn't seen before.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i think they said aragorn leading the Dead was a staged pic for a magazine. [/b][/quote]

Probably, but who is 'they', and where did you hear that? It could very well be (Aragorn is looking right at the camera), that's what the dead will look like in the movie anyway, or at least something like it.

[Mann]

Who cares if we have seen it in the trailer before, Its still an amazing shot.

EDIT: Please, no deep linking to other sites.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Nov 25 2003, 07:55 AM
Who cares if we have seen it in the trailer before, Its still an amazing shot.
That's not what I meant. There's nothing really new about that shot, we've seen shots like that in movies before.

[Obidobi]

Isn't Saruman gonna be in ROTK at all? I think I recall reading somewhere that he is, but not CL...Just some stunt double.........??

[Justin]

Ultimately he will be in the movie even if he isn't in the one that will come out in theaters, so there is really no reason to complain. It's not like it is something that will end on the cutting room floor and never be part of the story.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Justin@Nov 25 2003, 10:05 PM
Ultimately he will be in the movie even if he isn't in the one that will come out in theaters, so there is really no reason to complain. It's not like it is something that will end on the cutting room floor and never be part of the story.
It's still a bad decision, story-wise, other than on dvd we have no closure for the main villian of the last two films.

It's bad for Christopher Lee, and it's bad for those casual viewers that are going to see this film wondering what the heck happened to Saruman.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Obidobi@Nov 25 2003, 06:26 PM
Isn't Saruman gonna be in ROTK at all? I think I recall reading somewhere that he is, but not CL...Just some stunt double.........??
No, the stunt double was used for the same scene, there's a fight and Saruman falls off of the tower to his death.

[T-bone]

Not everyone's going to SEE that DVD version and therein lies the problem I have for others who don't see it. I feel they'll eventually look back and wonder what happened to him.

However - while it's a little bit of a bigger issue than Greedo Shoots First it's not as bad as we think, I guess. He's done in at Isengard and I guess people will just have to assume he went back to his chair and pouted throughout the rest of the film with a wizard dunce cap on.

To me, that hurts the theatrical version speaking as an amatuer filmmaker and fan of the series but the film will be glorious in any case so i'm not too worried...it's just one of my favorite scenes and I hate to see it go. Dourif and Lee are just phenominal and honestly, those are the two characters that look the most as I envisioned them in my head.

[Darth Darthy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>it's bad for those casual viewers that are going to see this film wondering what the heck happened to Saruman. [/b][/quote]

Then they should get off their illiterate arse and read the book.

[Marbleman]

yeah sorry i dont have much sympathy for the "casual viewer." i only regret that i wont see lee on the big screen until episode 3.

[Darth Vegas]

I'm not really worried about them either, but I feel for Lee, he was angered by this decision, he's probably one of the biggest fans of J.R.R. Tolkien and he had nothing but praise for Peter's adaptions and to cut his one and only scene from the movie (a very imporant scene at that), and one of the last scenes in Lee's career, it just seems wrong.

I'm sure the movie is going to be great regardless, but I don't think we've been given a good enough reason for this scene being cut, and I don't understand why Pete just seemed suddenly worried about cutting the film down to a little over 3 hours after New Line told him to do whatever he wanted with the film.

[Darth Vegas]

You know maybe Saruman and Grima weren't completely cut from the film -

Christopher Lee's and Brad Dourif's name appears in the credits listed on the back cover of the cd. If I'm not mistaken they're also on the final theatrical poster.

[Justin]

I doubt they would be COMPLETELY cut. There is probably just some nifty scene that they had to cut out.

[Darth Vegas]

Well actually Peter Jackson himself said that the one and only scene with Saruman had been cut. Not sure if he meant that the whole thing had been entirely removed but, that's pretty much what he said.

The only scene Saruman was to have in ROTK was his staff being broken and stuff followed by his death.

I'm thinking maybe they just cut out the "Vioce of Saruman" part of that scene.

Or perhaps during pick-ups with Christopher Lee a few months back they filmed a different death for Saruman (at the Shire) and the way we'll see some resolution for his character is by having Treebeard allow him to leave Isengard.

[Javen]

Slightly off topic, but yet still on so don't bite my head off. The Spiderman 2 trailer will possibly be attached to ROTK.

[Darth Vegas]

Could be...

I told you folks that Return of the King would have an intermission, and now we have the specs on the film. The final theatrical cut is 3 hrs. 20 min. and 49 seconds, the intermission will take place just before The Paths of the Dead.

http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/9/1069940077

[goodwije]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Please note that for any territory requiring an Intermission[/b][/quote]

Seems to imply that there will only be an intermission in places were it is required. I doubt American Theaters will allow an intermission, it will add to the running time and reduce the amount of shows possible in a day.

[Darth Vegas]

Perhaps. I think they've cut the film down enough to avoid that. Not long ago the word going around was that the film would be going on 4 hours long.

Andy Serkis get's some respect: http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrap...pbook/10127.jpg (http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/10127.jpg)

[Darth Vegas]

I know I'm probably a bit late in finding this but...

Check this out:

FOTR: Extended Edition Easter Egg

MTV Spoof

To find this one, go into the Scene Selection menu on disc one, and head to the final page where you'll find the real Council of Elrond scene. Highlight that scene and press "down" to find an image of the Ring. Press enter to view the entire clip from MTV complete with an introduction from Peter Jackson.

Hilarious!

[T-bone]

3hr 27 min wouldn't be so bad style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
i mean, once you're near 3 1/2 might as well go the full monty.

[Darth Vegas]

If you count trailers, and sitting in line and everything, people are devoting over 4 hours as it is to see the movie, an extra 7 minutes wouldn't have hurt one bit, so I geuss I'll just have to accept Pete's work that the scene just must've felt out of place happening at the beginning of the film, and coupled with the pick-ups Lee filmed for ROTK and whatever other editing is done we'll probably see that is was best for the dvd.

They were quite a bit behind schedule for The Two Towers, and they were working day and night to finish Return of the King, so I bet this is something that just couldn't be handled correctly in the ammount of time they had left to work on the film.

[The Prism]

Originally posted by TK-007@Nov 27 2003, 10:33 AM
I know I'm probably a bit late in finding this but...

Check this out:

FOTR: Extended Edition Easter Egg

MTV Spoof

To find this one, go into the Scene Selection menu on disc one, and head to the final page where you'll find the real Council of Elrond scene. Highlight that scene and press "down" to find an image of the Ring. Press enter to view the entire clip from MTV complete with an introduction from Peter Jackson.

Hilarious!
They've done the same thing on TTT EE!! At the end of the scene selection, press down and you'll see the same ring. Press enter, and you'll see Gollum's hilarious exceptance speech on the MTV movie awards for "best virtual performance" this past year!

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah saw that for the first time earlier this morning, that's on disk 1 of the TTT: Extended Edition btw folks. I wonder if there's anymore easter eggs on that dvd...should probably take that to the Two Towers dvd thread if I find any. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[JediKeri]

Oooo, thanks for the tip, I didn't even notice that

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah I just surfed around dvd easter egg sites today to find them. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

And I gotta ask: What the hell is wrong with Jeffery Wells?

http://moviepoopshoot.com/elsewhere/

Anyone else read the Return of the King article in the latest Maxim? Sean Astin said that besides Frodo being emotionally deteriorated and convinced by Gollum to turn against Sam there are also changes to his physical appearance. I'm geussing ala - Bilbo in the scene where he passes Sting and the Mithril rings down to Frodo, they actually planned on doing that for a moment in Two Towers when Faramir tried to take the ring- they showed Frodo in the make-up and everything in the docs on the 4th disk.

[The Prism]

Originally posted by TK-007@Nov 27 2003, 02:12 PM
And I gotta ask: What the hell is wrong with Jeffery Wells?
He probably wasn't watching the movie close enough to realize that it's more than just a simple fight between good and evil.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah probably, he said he walked out of both the first two films, but he continues to comment on them anyway. He's harmless, but it still bugs me that someone could be that thick headed, he even called Raiders of the Lost Ark trite grabage after watching it on dvd. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Review of ROTK from someone who saw the Director's Guild screening...

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16596

[James]

Yay, only 2 days to wait until Return of the king comes out style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Vegas]

What are you going to the premiere? Or is the film released to New Zealand audiences earlier than everywhere else?

[Mann]

Yeah, I heard that it was being release in New Zealand early.

Lucky style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif s!

lol, just kidding.

[James]

yes, coming out on December 1st! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

I'm gonna see it i've got tickets style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[Mann]

old stuff and new stuff.

http://www.agalaxia.com.br/trailer/Retorno_do_Rei.mp4

[James]

Originally posted by TK-007@Nov 29 2003, 09:39 AM
What are you going to the premiere? Or is the film released to New Zealand audiences earlier than everywhere else?

premier style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif it's expensive, but i'ts gonna be cool

But the film is released NZ-wide on 15 Dec. When is it released in the USA?

[Mann]

James, take me with you! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif

[Tobi1kenobi]

I think it is too bad that Lee won't be in ROTK, but the movie will still be great. He will be back for the ROTK:EE. I just saw an awesome trailer for ROTK today, and cannot wait until December 17th.

but back on topic, The TTT:EE was just as great as FOTR:EE. I wish other film makers would make their DVD's as exciting as Peter Jackson does. These DVD's make watching the film much more entertaining. The extra Faramir part was a great addition to the movie.

[James]

Get a flight to Wellington before 1st December (I suppose that's 30 November for you) and I'll take you along. All seats are sold out though, so I'll try to see if I can sneak you in and you can sit on the floor style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Mann]

Originally posted by James@Nov 29 2003, 05:21 AM
Get a flight to Wellington before 1st December (I suppose that's 30 November for you) and I'll take you along. All seats are sold out though, so I'll try to see if I can sneak you in and you can sit on the floor style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
the floor? I'll pay anything to sit in the darkest corner!

[James]

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[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by James+Nov 28 2003, 07:51 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(James @ Nov 28 2003, 07:51 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Nov 29 2003, 09:39 AM
What are you going to the premiere? Or is the film released to New Zealand audiences earlier than everywhere else?

premier style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif it's expensive, but i'ts gonna be cool

But the film is released NZ-wide on 15 Dec. When is it released in the USA? [/b][/quote]
December 17th.

Well have fun, and come back with the scoop, we want details (and pics if possible)!

[Darth Vegas]

<span style="color:red">Spoilers</span> from Return of the King production designer Grant Major:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Sauron does take bodily form in the prologue of the first film, and similarly we'll see him in the last film, but, by and large, throughout the trilogy, he is the eye.[/b][/quote]

Specifically Grants says we'll see him when Aragorn leads the armies of the west at the Black Gate of Mordor.

You can read more of the interview here:

http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1070123145

[Mann]

Grant Major has been robbed twice of Oscars. This guy needs an oustanding acheivment in putting up with the Academy's crap. (CHICAGO?...MOULIN ROUGE? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif )

anyway.

In the new trailer fottage form the link, the black gates open and someone rushes out of them. could that be Sauron?

[Darth Vegas]

That was the Mouth of Sauron I believe, he comes out to negotiate with Aragorn before the hordes (and Sauron himself!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif) are unleashed.

As I posted on another board...purists aren't going to like this, but this really makes sense to me because of these lines of dialogue from FOTR:

Saruman to Gandalf: "Sauron has already regained much of his former strength, he cannot yet take physical form but his spirit has lost none of it's potency."

Arwen to Aragorn: "Your time will come, you will face the same evil, and you will defeat it."

[Mann]

Arwen was talking about the ring i think, when Aragorn rejected the ring from Frodo. Its the difference between his an Isildor

I think Sauron returning is a cool idea. I mean in the books he never came to be, and it provided a lackluster villian. Now Aragorn might be able to stope him, but my guess is they will make it like Isildor on the ground and sauron reaching toward aragorn but as he does it the ring is destroyed and he is vanquished.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Nov 29 2003, 10:06 AM
Arwen was talking about the ring i think, when Aragorn rejected the ring from Frodo. Its the difference between his an Isildor
Maybe, but there's a pretty big difference between overcoming temptation and defeating evil.

I'm just saying that now that we know that Sauron is physically in this film, looking back there are little lines of dialogue that kinda hint at this happening.

There's a line of dialogue in the Two Towers Extended Edition, Gandalf tells Aragorn "Sauron fears what you may become." Him bringing together as big an army as he could muster and the victory at Pellenor Fields seems like a good enough reason for Sauron to get down and dirty and try to take care of things for himself instead of leaving them only to his minions.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Now Aragorn might be able to stope him, but my guess is they will make it like Isildor on the ground and sauron reaching toward aragorn but as he does it the ring is destroyed and he is vanquished. [/b][/quote]

And I think that's pretty much what'll happen, although I imagine a real gritty battle between them, maybe Gandalf helps out (being that Gandalf's mission is to see the end of Sauron), and when all hope fails Sauron realizes his error and before he can do anything about it, it's too late.

[Mann]

Bond,

The Ring isn't temptation. It is pure evil. Its all of the evil in Sauron, everything that his power draws from. Aragorn overcame that power in the film, when he rejected it. Just like Sean Bean's character couldn't deny the power, but it was the evil that tempted them. Isildor couldn't do it, but aragorn could.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And I think that's pretty much what'll happen, although I imagine a real gritty battle between them, maybe Gandalf helps out (being that Gandalf's mission is to see the end of Sauron), and when all hope fails Sauron realizes his error and before he can do anything about it, it's too late. [/b][/quote]

Gandalf probably will let Aragorn fight him on his won. I expect that the the outcome will be much like the prolouge of the first film, the "Last Alliance" defeating most of the army, and then a fight between Sauron and Aragorn one on one (i assume that Sauron won't be extremly powerful since he has no ring, and they will be evenly matched. Gandalf will watch and wait. I think that Its Aragorn's destiny, and Gandalf know that, so he wont interfere so much.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Nov 29 2003, 10:27 AM
The Ring isn't temptation. It is pure evil. Its all of the evil in Sauron, everything that his power draws from. Aragorn overcame that power in the film, when he rejected it.
Mann my point is made, and I'm not going to argue with you. You can believe whatever you want, my mind is set.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i assume that Sauron won't be extremly powerful since he has no ring, and they will be evenly matched. Gandalf will watch and wait.[/b][/quote]
I don't think so.

[T-bone]

Originally posted by Mann@Nov 28 2003, 11:04 PM
old stuff and new stuff.

http://www.agalaxia.com.br/trailer/Retorno_do_Rei.mp4
Did you have sound with this clip?
mine didn't play any sound.

[Darth Vegas]

Me neither.

[Mann]

i diddn't have sond either. I think they took it off because it was trasnlated or something.

[Darth Vegas]

Damn-it! It appears that the Sauron becoming corporeal stuff as well as the Mouth of Sauron have been CUT!

The extended edition will be massive, I reckon.

To be completely spoiled, go here:

http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecounc...&threadid=74209 (http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?start=0&catid=13&threadid=74209)

[Mann]

Apparetnly the Mouth of Sauron is a short scene, shorter than the Sauruman scene i heard.

[Darth Vegas]

What pisses me off worse is that the Houses of Healing has also been cut, as has Gandalf's stair down with the Witch King!

It'll all be in the Extended Edition, at least. :whatsthat:

Oh well, at least the Battle of Pellenor Fields takes about an hours worth of screentime! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

Moriarity from AICN saw the flick at a DGA screening, he talked with 3 voting academy members who basically said that no other film stands a chance against it.

[Mann]

yeah, basically.

I like the idea of a long battle, but they coul have cut a little of that and put in some of the material for purists. I mean, we've seen 40 minute battles in Matrix, and such, but can't we just have a little more story. My guess is that the studio decided to forefit story for action. I hope i don't get bored.

[Darth Vegas]

It's not an hours worth of just solid action, Pellenor fields takes place as Sam and Frodo work their way through Cirith Ungol and Shelob's lair.

[Mann]

still, I think they will linger on the action for the gondor fight even more than they should. That's probably the major complaint against the movies, is that more action is focused on the men and elves, and not enough on the frodo and Sam conflict. I still think that the first film is the best because it focused on frodo the most.

[Darth Vegas]

Well you have to understand that the entire siege on Minas Tirith, the Black Gate, all of that takes place in an effort to keep the eye on them and off of Frodo and Sam, they really do emphasize this in the movie (as I've heard in some of the more detailed reviews and comments from those who have seen it), it's all an effort to give Frodo a chance.

[Mann]

yeah, but the major conflict of the story overall is Frodo and sam, and frankly everything that happens in the Two towers and ROTK should be evenly divided among those two stories (Merry and Pippin are rightfully not overdone)

[Darth Vegas]

As important as Frodo's quest is, not even the books center on him all the time. After FOTR, it's another 200 pages until you catch up with them, and then they don't really have much time in ROTK.

Frodo's quest has been given enough emphasis in the films, the audience understands how important the quest is, we don't need the majority of the films devoted to them to understand that, if that happened we'd have alot of boring, walking and talking and crawling...doesn't make for good cinema, or a good adaption of the books.

I think the films have got the right balance of all the characters and plotlines in them.

[Daft Maul]

The Merry and Pippin scenes are BLOODY BORING. They slow down the action, and Treebeards voice is too hard to understand.

[Darth Vegas]

Whatever.

[Daft Maul]

the seen should have been sped up

[Darth Vegas]

You do understand that Treebeard was purposefully boring at first don't you?

Anyway, you wanna talk The Two Towers - please take it to the Two Towers thread right here (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?showtopic=1303&st=620).

[Daft Maul]

that treebeard scene was a real pace-killer style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Marbleman]

Is there an echo in here?

[Daft Maul]

oh shut up marbleman

[Mann]

oh man, someone is being pettier than me style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>What pisses me off worse is that the Houses of Healing has also been cut, as has Gandalf's stair down with the Witch King![/b][/quote]

Bloody Hell!
I don't like this excuse of, "Oh you'll see it on the dvd..."

[James]

I'm actually in Wellington now, I've managed to find an internet cafe to log on here

The whole city seems to be in LOTR hype. There's pictures of Gandalf etc everywhere!!!!

[Mann]

James, anyone dressed like Gollum?

[James]

there probably is somewhere round style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by T'bone@Nov 29 2003, 10:34 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>What pisses me off worse is that the Houses of Healing has also been cut, as has Gandalf's stair down with the Witch King!

Bloody Hell!
I don't like this excuse of, "Oh you'll see it on the dvd..." [/b][/quote]
Yeah me neither, a few months back I was really looking forward to a 4 hour film, with all the goodies in it, and Extended Edition of this film I didn't think would be possible - it was a pipe dream I geuss.

[Mann]

Can you yell at them and give them a thumbs up? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif tell them Mann said hi!

[Darth Vegas]

How long until the premiere?

[James]

it's at midnight , and so it's about 5 hrs away

[James]

Originally posted by Mann@Nov 30 2003, 07:59 PM
Can you yell at them and give them a thumbs up? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif tell them Mann said hi!
sure, but i'll feel like a retard style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Mann]

Originally posted by James+Nov 30 2003, 07:01 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(James @ Nov 30 2003, 07:01 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Nov 30 2003, 07:59 PM
Can you yell at them and give them a thumbs up? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif tell them Mann said hi!
sure, but i'll feel like a retard style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif [/b][/quote]
These guys are in LOTR costumes. You wont look like so much of a retard aomng them. (unless you yourself are in a costme...)

[James]

The ROTK premiere was amazing!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

At the Embassy Theatre in Wellington Peter Jackson and his mob were all there, and the LOTR decorations as well as Xmas decorations made it look wonderful.

It was really crowded, but now let me tell you about the film.

<span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Times">IT WAS AMAZING, AND THE BEST LOTR FILM OF ALL</span></span></span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

[Obidobi]

Some spoilers please....Was Saruman in it at all?

[T-bone]

How does Gandalf get the palantir from the tower of Orthanc?

[Mann]

which film is the best?

[Phil Tinajero]

What was the first scene after the Smeagol Prologue? Did the climax do justice to the entire trilogy? Were you disapointed by anything? Favorite part? Thanks. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Justin]

Let's not get too heavily into the spoilers regarding the films structure (like what is the first scene, etc.) so that there are some surprises.

But yes, tell us if there is anything to do with Saruman and how Gandalf gets the Palantir.

[Mann]

He said he would tell us...but he's gone...

[Justin]

lol

[Daft Maul]

c'mon james where are you!?

[James]

Sorry the computer did something funny just as I clicked the add reply button. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

Click here for spoilers (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?showtopic=6683), as Justin said, we don't wanna get into the spoilers too much here.

The film was absoulytely WONDERFUL! It was worth goign to see.
Also, there is the extended version showing in Auckland in a couple of weeks time, I might go to see that style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[JediKeri]

I Got a better Idea for those who want to know how Gandalf got that Plantir from Saurman. Read the Book! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I Got a better Idea for those who want to know how Gandalf got that Plantir from Saurman. Read the Book![/b][/quote]

Don't make me destroy you.

[JediKeri]

*snickers*
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
*chuckles*
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif
*laughs*
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif
*guaffaws*
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

The book is good!

*runs at the boss' look*

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Justin@Nov 30 2003, 08:58 PM
Let's not get too heavily into the spoilers regarding the films structure (like what is the first scene, etc.) so that there are some surprises.
As I've said before if you don't want spoilers, than you could just read the book already or steer clear away from this thread, or a simple spoiler warning should suffice, because I've been posting plenty of spoilers in here already.

The new thread is a bit more convientent for just getting spoilers.

[T-bone]

why you... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif

[Javen]

From onering.net Peter Jackson has a cameo as a Corsair.

[Justin]

Bond, I have read the book so I know mostly what will happen, but I don't want to read a blow-by-blow account of the movie in this thread. Like "first it opens with this, and then this happens, and then after that..."

[Mann]

Originally posted by Javen@Dec 2 2003, 01:37 AM
From onering.net Peter Jackson has a cameo as a Corsair.
I think he's cameoed in all the movies. Well he was in TTT as a Rohan rider (hidden of course)

[Darth Vegas]

No he wasn't a rider, he was a soldier at Helm's Deep, and his cameo was right in plain sight, he threw and spear and yelled.

[James]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 2 2003, 04:12 PM
Bond, I have read the book so I know mostly what will happen, but I don't want to read a blow-by-blow account of the movie in this thread. Like "first it opens with this, and then this happens, and then after that..."
Click here (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?showtopic=6683)

This is the ROTK spoiler thread, ok. This is for plot details etc. Let's not argue about whether we put spoilers on this thread style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Dec 2 2003, 03:52 AM
No he wasn't a rider, he was a soldier at Helm's Deep, and his cameo was right in plain sight, he threw and spear and yelled.
from IMDB on Peter Jackson

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) (uncredited) .... Rohirrim Warrior
... aka Two Towers, The (2002) (USA: short title)
[/b][/quote]

He's also got a part in fellowship.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by James+Dec 1 2003, 07:56 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(James @ Dec 1 2003, 07:56 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Dec 2 2003, 04:12 PM
Bond, I have read the book so I know mostly what will happen, but I don't want to read a blow-by-blow account of the movie in this thread. Like "first it opens with this, and then this happens, and then after that..."
Click here (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?showtopic=6683)

This is the ROTK spoiler thread, ok. This is for plot details etc. Let's not argue about whether we put spoilers on this thread style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif [/b][/quote]
Yeah Justin, you don't want them, then don't read them. It's not really practical to talk about the film without some spoilers. And if you've read the book, there's really nothing you don't know about the movie.

The new thread James started is best for complete spoileage of the film, while this is more for discussion on the film, if James (and whoever else manages to see the flick early - or has a source for some spoilers) doesn't mind answering questions that is.

[T-bone]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Rohirrim Warrior
... aka Two Towers, The (2002)[/b][/quote]

Yea he was a warrior at Helm's Deep who threw a spear through a little thingy - listen to the commentary - he talks about it and how his spear turned the tide of the whole battle - hehe..

[Rojo]

Originally posted by Mann+Dec 2 2003, 05:14 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Dec 2 2003, 05:14 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Dec 2 2003, 03:52 AM
No he wasn't a rider, he was a soldier at Helm's Deep, and his cameo was right in plain sight, he threw and spear and yelled.
from IMDB on Peter Jackson

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) (uncredited) .... Rohirrim Warrior
... aka Two Towers, The (2002) (USA: short title)
[/b][/quote]

He's also got a part in fellowship. [/b][/quote]
Jackson's kids are in Fellowship and TTT as Hobbit children and Rohan children respectively.

[JediKeri]

Originally posted by T'bone@Dec 1 2003, 04:09 PM
why you... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif
*smiles sweetly from a distance*

Just because I already know doesn't mean I'm gonna spoil it for the rest of ya. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Vegas]

OK guys, a bit off topic, but I came upon this by accident, and it's f*ckin' hilarious! Leanord Nimoy singing a song written by him about Bilbo Baggins.

http://www.myprecious.us/ballad_of_bilbo_baggins.php

[Mann]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif

Goodbye Middle Earth!
http://www.comingsoon.net/gallery/Fantasy/...ng/farewell.jpg (http://)

[JediKeri]

Um...linky no worky Mann style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Mann]

There ya go

http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/imageFol...ll.jpg&img=&tt= (http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Fantasy/The_Lord_of_the_Rings/LOTR_The_Return_of_the_King&image=farewell.jpg&img=&tt=)

[Ali Arikan]

I get to see RotK tomorrow; I'll be here afterwards to spoil the crap out of it for you lot! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 3 2003, 12:09 AM
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif

Goodbye Middle Earth!
Wells there's at least one more movie set in Middle-Earth left to go after this, and plenty more that could be made.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Dec 3 2003, 08:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Dec 3 2003, 08:54 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Dec 3 2003, 12:09 AM
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif

Goodbye Middle Earth!
Wells there's at least one more movie set in Middle-Earth left to go after this, and plenty more that could be made. [/b][/quote]
Bond...must you argue with everything?

Look at it this way: Elijah, Sean. billy, Dominic, Viggo, Orlando, and Liv wont be in them.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 3 2003, 05:53 PM
Bond...must you argue with everything?
Must you see everything in a negative light?

I only stated a fact, there's no debate, no duarrel, no dispute, no argument here. Executive Producer Mark Ordesky of The Lord of the Rings said (only days ago) that New Line Cinema is not done making movies set in Middle-Earth, and we all know that several members of the cast/crew of LOTR have showed interest in making that other film.

[Mann]

Yeah, but not for the cast that is waiving goodbye. They're done

And Ordesky said he their could be another movie. Only in respect to The Hobbit. nothing more.

[Marbleman]

Besides A Hobbit movie, I don't see any other film being made of J.R.R. Tolkien or those edited by his son. Most of the rest of his work has been compiled into short stories.

But I would do anything to see Hugo Weaving return to a role as Elrond, and Ian Mckellen as Gandalf. . . and Andy Serkis as Gollum.

[Mann]

Nah, I've decided that being the wonderful actor that i am, I'm going to play Gollum in the Hobbit movie. Once they see me do it, it will be like "Andy...Andy who?" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Marbleman]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 3 2003, 09:35 PM
Nah, I've decided that being the wonderful actor that i am, I'm going to play Gollum in the Hobbit movie. Once they see me do it, it will be like "Andy...Andy who?" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
Aaawww, Mann as "Gollum." Now that's precious. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Better lay off the Old Toby.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by marbleman84@Dec 3 2003, 06:29 PM
Besides A Hobbit movie, I don't see any other film being made of J.R.R. Tolkien or those edited by his son. Most of the rest of his work has been compiled into short stories.
They called The Lord of the Rings a book that could not be adapted faithfully into a feature film, and they've nailed it. I'm sure if they wanted to they could adapt other tales of Middle-Earth besides The Hobbit into feature films.

Not to say they will, but they could.

[maddog62]

Originally posted by TK-007+Dec 4 2003, 02:52 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Dec 4 2003, 02:52 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-marbleman84@Dec 3 2003, 06:29 PM
Besides A Hobbit movie, I don't see any other film being made of J.R.R. Tolkien or those edited by his son. Most of the rest of his work has been compiled into short stories.
They called The Lord of the Rings a book that could not be adapted faithfully into a feature film, and they've nailed it. I'm sure if they wanted to they could adapt other tales of Middle-Earth besides The Hobbit into feature films.

Not to say they will, but they could. [/b][/quote]
In my opinion LOTR Universe is the only fictional universe comparable to the GFFA.

[Marbleman]

Originally posted by TK-007+Dec 3 2003, 09:52 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Dec 3 2003, 09:52 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-marbleman84@Dec 3 2003, 06:29 PM
Besides A Hobbit movie, I don't see any other film being made of J.R.R. Tolkien or those edited by his son. Most of the rest of his work has been compiled into short stories.
They called The Lord of the Rings a book that could not be adapted faithfully into a feature film, and they've nailed it. I'm sure if they wanted to they could adapt other tales of Middle-Earth besides The Hobbit into feature films.

Not to say they will, but they could. [/b][/quote]
I think they'd have to make alot of changes to convert something as sprawling and historic as the Silmarillon (or other works) into a movie that would appeal to a general audience.

It can be done. If it was adapted loosely I would enjoy it, but count on rabid Tolkienazis being against that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Definitely, but there's people talking about boycotting the trilogy on the account of Glorfindel, Tom Bombadil and Radagast the Brown being absent from the fuilms, and now Saruman's death being cut.

Crazy folks I tell ya'.

I don't think they would make the move to turn something like The Silmarillion (and the others tales included in that book) into a motion picture unless they had a really good script and story that they felt added to the world brought to life in The Lord of the Rings rather than milking the franchise for all they can get.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by TK-007+Dec 4 2003, 03:52 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Dec 4 2003, 03:52 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-marbleman84@Dec 3 2003, 06:29 PM
Besides A Hobbit movie, I don't see any other film being made of J.R.R. Tolkien or those edited by his son. Most of the rest of his work has been compiled into short stories.
They called The Lord of the Rings a book that could not be adapted faithfully into a feature film, and they've nailed it. I'm sure if they wanted to they could adapt other tales of Middle-Earth besides The Hobbit into feature films.

Not to say they will, but they could. [/b][/quote]
I hope they don't

Leave the three LOTR film as they are.

[Darth Vegas]

You hope they don't what? Adapt other books besides The Hobbit? Or hope they don't even adapt that?

There's a very good chance of The Hobbit being made into a film, just about everyone from LOTR who would be involved with it wants to do it.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Dec 4 2003, 03:31 AM
You hope they don't what? Adapt other books besides The Hobbit? Or hope they don't even adapt that?

There's a very good chance of The Hobbit being made into a film, just about everyone from LOTR who would be involved with it wants to do it.
Well Badly doesn't. Plain and simple.

If Ian Holm dies, I say don't do it.

BTW, he's in ROTK right? YEAH!

[Marbleman]

Originally posted by Mann+Dec 3 2003, 11:34 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Dec 3 2003, 11:34 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Dec 4 2003, 03:31 AM
You hope they don't what? Adapt other books besides The Hobbit? Or hope they don't even adapt that?

There's a very good chance of The Hobbit being made into a film, just about everyone from LOTR who would be involved with it wants to do it.
Well Badly doesn't. Plain and simple.

If Ian Holm dies, I say don't do it.

BTW, he's in ROTK right? YEAH! [/b][/quote]
I didn't realize how much I missed him until I watched FOTR a few weeks ago.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann+Dec 3 2003, 08:34 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Dec 3 2003, 08:34 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Dec 4 2003, 03:31 AM
You hope they don't what? Adapt other books besides The Hobbit? Or hope they don't even adapt that?

There's a very good chance of The Hobbit being made into a film, just about everyone from LOTR who would be involved with it wants to do it.
Well Badly doesn't. Plain and simple.

[/b][/quote]
I asked Badly not you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If Ian Holm dies, I say don't do it.[/b][/quote]

Then let us be glad that you have no say in the matter. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

I don't think there's a real threat of that happening just now, he's in his early 70's and he looks pretty good for his age.

I'm sure they could find someone that looks enough like him to play the part, and it would might look better than trying to make him look 60 years younger, which may have worked for a couple sequences in The Fellowship of the Ring, but would be harder to achieve for an entire film, although if they get it to work right with make-up and maybe some cg then more power to them.

[Mann]

yeah, early 70's. that doesn't exactly mean he's in tip top condition to make a full length movie, especialy one where he would have to be the center of attention and such. in FOTR he didn't have many scenes, and in ROTK he doesn't either, unless they add scenes in the book...

I say he is bilbo and always will be. Keep the animated movie as the Hobbit, and the small sequence in FOTR as the tribute. Ian will never be replaced.

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I asked Badly not you.[/b][/quote]

he answered, but since you didn't agree, I answered for him again.

[Justin]

Originally posted by TK-007+Dec 4 2003, 02:02 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Dec 4 2003, 02:02 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Dec 3 2003, 05:53 PM
Bond...must you argue with everything?
Must you see everything in a negative light?

I only stated a fact, there's no debate, no duarrel, no dispute, no argument here. Executive Producer Mark Ordesky of The Lord of the Rings said (only days ago) that New Line Cinema is not done making movies set in Middle-Earth, and we all know that several members of the cast/crew of LOTR have showed interest in making that other film. [/b][/quote]
The Silmarillion?

[Darth Vegas]

No The Hobbit.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 3 2003, 09:36 PM
I say he is bilbo and always will be. Keep the animated movie as the Hobbit, and the small sequence in FOTR as the tribute. Ian will never be replaced.
Sorry, I don't agree with that at all. Ian was good, very good, I loved him as Bilbo, but he is definitely not irreplaceable.

Ian Mckellan is irreplaceable, Hugo Weaving is irreplaceable, because Gandalf and Elrond are both 1000's of years old but they never age. I'm sure they could find someone else to play Bilbo if needed, being that Bilbo is a good 60 years younger in The Hobbit, they can get away with someone who looks slightly different for this role.

That being said, I would hope that a replacement is not needed.

And being that I'm a lazy son-of-a-*****, could someone find and bump up The Hobbit thread? Cause' I'd like this to stay on topic for Return of the King discussion (I know I'm just as guilty for getting it off course). style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, I don't agree with that at all. Ian was good, very good, I loved him as Bilbo, but he is definitely not irreplaceable.

Ian Mckellan is irreplaceable, Hugo Weaving is irreplaceable, because Gandalf and Elrond are both 1000's of years old but they never age. I'm sure they could find someone else to play Bilbo if needed, being that Bilbo is a good 60 years younger in The Hobbit, they can get away with someone who looks slightly different for this role.
[/b][/quote]

excuse me for a second.....

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ok, done.

Frankly If you think Holm is replaceable, you must have forgotten one crucial detail in the movies: Bilbo never ages from the Hobbit til the beginning of FOTR. they state it plainly, and its evident in the film. the ring makes him sustain himself.

That being said Holm is Bilbo, and we all know him as Bilbo. No one will take his place, even if they try to replace him.

On Topic note : I want the final shot of the film to be of Sam at home.

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If you think Holm is replaceable, you must have forgotten one crucial detail in the movies: Bilbo never ages from the Hobbit til the beginning of FOTR. they state it plainly, and its evident in the film. the ring makes him sustain himself.[/b][/quote]
Mann, Gandalf wasn't being literal when he said that Bilbo hadn't physically aged a day, clearly you can see in the film that when he finds the ring in Gollums cave that he looks quite a bit younger than he does at his 111st birthday.

In fact in the actors commentary on the FOTR Extended Edition they talked a bit about how Bilbo looked quite a bit younger in the prologue and the make-up techniques they used on Ian to do that.

I would like it if Ian reprised his role, but I do not think he is irreplaceable. And this is really going nowhere, you aren't going to change my mind about it so I suggest you just to agree to disagree.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>On Topic note : I want the final shot of the film to be of Sam at home. [/b][/quote]

I don't know if that's the very last shot, but the last line of dialogue is Sam saying "Well, I'm home" as he closes the door to Bag End.

I think the very last shot is the Elven Ships leaving the Grey Havens, and that seems fitting being that the film goes into the ending credits with the song "Into the West".

I'm sure if you check out that one thread ("Marty's ROTK Q&A" or whatever it's called) at tolkienonline.com you can get an answer on that.

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Mann, Gandalf wasn't being literal when he said that Bilbo hadn't physically aged a day, clearly you can see in the film that when he finds the ring in Gollums cave that he looks quite a bit younger than he does at his 111st birthday.

In fact in the actors commentary on the FOTR Extended Edition they talked a bit about how Bilbo looked quite a bit younger in the prologue and the make-up techniques they used on Ian to do that.
[/b][/quote]

Um, Gandalf was being Literal, that's why he looked so shocked and amazed. I actually did notice that he looked relavtively the same. I turned to my brother and was like: does he look any different after 60 years? My brother said no, then we rememberd how the ring prolongs life. Its something you have to deduce for yourself.

And the make up effects were because Ian changes over the course of the film. He looks older in Rivendell after a time (in the books its 17 years)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know if that's the very last shot, but the last line of dialogue is Sam saying "Well, I'm home" as he closes the door to Bag End.

I think the very last shot is the Elven Ships leaving the Greay Havens, and that seems fitting being that the film goes into the ending credits with the song "Into the West".

I'm sure if you check out that one thread ("Marty's ROTK Q&A" or whatever it's called) at tolkienonline.com you can get an answer on that. [/b][/quote]

I think they should end the movie where they started it. frankly I think that frodo will never see the Shire in the film, that he goes from Gondor to the Grey Havens with Frodo and Gandalf, and then Sam leaves to home alone. I bet you anything I will be crying.

Last shot is sam coming home to the girl, and goes to his home and the door shuts like a book closing. that's just how I envision it.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 3 2003, 11:53 PM
I think they should end the movie where they started it.
They didn't start the film in the Shire.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>frankly I think that frodo will never see the Shire in the film[/b][/quote]

He does. All the Hobbits go home, Same gets married, Frodo allows Sam to live in Bag End, and then we go to the Grey Havens.

Those are actual facts, BTW. From people who have seen the film.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 3 2003, 11:53 PM
Um, Gandalf was being Literal blah blah blah
Um, on the actors commentary for the Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition dvd they talk about the make-up techniques used to make Ian Holm look younger during the prologue, his face was taped down to remove the appearance of wrinkles and he was wearing a brown wig and his eyebrows were bushier - when we see him at the Shire Ian's face was no longer taped down, and he was wearing a grey wig, and his eyebrows appear to be more thin.

Please, understand this clearly Mann, I'm not saying they should replace Ian, unless they absolutely have to. And you're not going to change my mind, so quit arguing about his, agree to disagree.

And I'll leave you with this: the differences are there

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Dec 4 2003, 07:56 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Dec 4 2003, 07:56 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Dec 3 2003, 11:53 PM
I think they should end the movie where they started it.
They didn't start the film in the Shire.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>frankly I think that frodo will never see the Shire in the film[/b][/quote]

He does. All the Hobbits go home, Same gets married, Frodo allows Sam to live in Bag End, and then we go to the Grey Havens.

Those are actual facts, BTW. From people who have seen the film. [/b][/quote]
Are these the same people that said Sauruman wasn't in the film period?

I frankly have to wait til I see it for myself.

And the movie(s) started in the shire. The prolouge is different. but FOTR starts in the shire.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 4 2003, 12:08 AM
Are these the same people that said Sauruman wasn't in the film period?
Yes, because he wasn't. He's mentioned, but not seen in a single frame.

[Darth Vegas]

And may I add that that report came from a Screen Actors Guild member, who saw this film at a Screen Actors Guild screening (and also saw FOTR and TTT at Screen Actor's Guild screenings and gave a complete report of those films at tolkienonline as well).

Moriarty from AICN backs that report up 100%, he saw the film at a Director's Guild Screening.

[Mann]

Seeing as one is in the dark and one is in the light, Its pretty safe to say Bond you have the vision of superman.

Honestly, I don't see a real difference. I take the film for what it tells me. Why else would Gandalf say that line if he didn't mean it? Explain it to me.

And then again, you should know that Gollum himself started to lose hair and did as he aged. so Bilbo's eybrows could be further indication of his changing.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Dec 4 2003, 08:16 AM
And may I add that that report came from a Screen Actors Guild member, who saw this film at a Screen Actors Guild screening (and also saw FOTR and TTT at Screen Actor's Guild screenings and gave a complete report of those films at tolkienonline as well).

Moriarty from AICN backs that report up 100%, he saw the film at a Director's Guild Screening.
I heard from others that Sauruman does appear breifly. as the Palantir is thrown and his death happens.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 4 2003, 12:18 AM
Honestly, I don't see a real difference.


Whether you see it or not, the differences are there. They're not really huge differences though, so I geuss it just takes a better trained eye to see them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And then again, you should know that Gollum himself started to lose hair and did as he aged. so Bilbo's eybrows could be further indication of his changing.[/b][/quote]

Not to mention his greying more thinner hair and more wrinkly skin....

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann+Dec 4 2003, 12:19 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Dec 4 2003, 12:19 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Dec 4 2003, 08:16 AM
And may I add that that report came from a Screen Actors Guild member, who saw this film at a Screen Actors Guild screening (and also saw FOTR and TTT at Screen Actor's Guild screenings and gave a complete report of those films at tolkienonline as well).

Moriarty from AICN backs that report up 100%, he saw the film at a Director's Guild Screening.
I heard from others that Sauruman does appear breifly. as the Palantir is thrown and his death happens. [/b][/quote]
Whether or not these "others" did see that, the version you will see in the theaters does not include such things. Obviously they wouldn't be showing the DAG and the SAG any version other than that which will be in the theaters, since the screenings are for the purpose of award consideration.

[Gazelle]

Peace brothers...

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Dec 4 2003, 08:26 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Dec 4 2003, 08:26 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Mann@Dec 4 2003, 12:19 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Dec 4 2003, 08:16 AM
And may I add that that report came from a Screen Actors Guild member, who saw this film at a Screen Actors Guild screening (and also saw FOTR and TTT at Screen Actor's Guild screenings and gave a complete report of those films at tolkienonline as well).

Moriarty from AICN backs that report up 100%, he saw the film at a Director's Guild Screening.
I heard from others that Sauruman does appear breifly. as the Palantir is thrown and his death happens.
Whether or not these "others" did see that, the version you will see in the theaters does not include such things. Obviously they wouldn't be showing the DAG and the SAG any version other than that which will be in the theaters, since the screenings are for the purpose of award consideration. [/b][/quote]
That's not what screenings are always for. The SAG and DGA review the film to see if they are being represented as such. So do many other guilds. If the movie doesn't meet the standards set, they ask them to fix it, or they will boycott it.

The reason they do it for awards is because they need to fit it in before the end of the year, and since the Oscars are earlier this year, they need to do it much earlier. The Academy has yet to screen ROTK anyway.

[Darth Vegas]

Mann, the theatrical cut is finished, ready for audiences around the world to see, and has already been given to New Line who is making copies of the film to distribute around the world. These DAG and SAG screenings were only last week with another this week - it was the final version of the film that you will see in theaters, and Saruman and Wormtongue have no scenes at all in the film (though they are mentioned), which should come as no surprise since Peter Jackson himself said that their scenes were cut, and since Christopher Lee and Brad Dourif are nowhere to be seen around the premieres because they are not in the film.


If there's anything else you want to know about the film, go here (http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?start=0&catid=13&threadid=74209).

[Mann]

Movies tend to be worked on and released for distribution earlier I agre. However, some major films are worked on until the very last week. Reloaded was that kind of film. I'm just saying that the DGA and SAG screenings aren't always the last version of the film.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah that's true.

They should've kept working on Reloaded if you ask me... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

If you don't have it on already, be sure to turn on ABC for the ROTK special.

[Mann]

Well, Reloaded was worked on til the last minute. They couldn't do much more.

LOTR! MISSED IT! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif

[Darth Vegas]

You didn't miss too much. Just some not-nearly-as-good-as-the-dvd behind the scenes stuff, and a split second of a scene between Hugo Weaving and Liv Tyler. It was better than most anything else that was on at the time though.

[Mann]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif WTF was I watching ER for...

oh wait this is why:

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/2060/ParminderK_Vespa_827112_400.jpg

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif she's so pretty!

[Justin]

Isn't that the chick from Bend It Like Beckham?

By the way, the version of ROTK that was screened for reviewers and such was not the final version of the film, as is often the case.

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, the version of ROTK that was screened for reviewers and such was not the final version of the film, as is often the case.[/b][/quote]

Where did you hear that?

[Mann]

Originally posted by Justin@Dec 6 2003, 04:11 AM
Isn't that the chick from Bend It Like Beckham?

By the way, the version of ROTK that was screened for reviewers and such was not the final version of the film, as is often the case.
I knew it. I don't remember where. I think I heard it on Goldderby.com.

and yes that chic is in Bend it Like Beckham. Keira Knightly is too!

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[Darth Vegas]

Orlando Bloom is on Leno in about 10 minutes, thought y'all might wanna know.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Dec 6 2003, 07:52 AM
Orlando Bloom is on Leno in about 10 minutes, thought y'all might wanna know.
with nicole kidman, how fun. Cold Mountain v. LOTR!

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Cold Mountain v. LOTR![/b][/quote]

That's like Barney vs. T-rex! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Mann]

Actually, Cold Mountain is getting pretty good reviews, and seems like the one LOTR has to beat this year for Oscar Gold.

Note to all people: EMAIL the AMPAAS and tell them they need to vote ROTK for Best Picture! Do they really want the MTV award to have more class?

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 6 2003, 12:55 AM
Actually, Cold Mountain is getting pretty good reviews, and seems like the one LOTR has to beat this year for Oscar Gold.
Yeah I know but ROTK is getting much better reviews, and once people like Leanord Maltin and Ebert and Roeper, all of the professional critics have their say, I'm sure everyone will be praising it, shoot they were saying it was the front runner in the Oscar race before anyone even saw it, the buzz around the oscar camp is that no other film has a change against it (some voting academy members actually said that), and even rival studios are saying it's going to be a hard film to beat - some rivals have even talked as if they want it to win.

[Darth Vegas]

Another excellent review of Return of the King:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/revie...tent_id=2047029 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/reviews/review_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2047029)

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Dec 6 2003, 09:04 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Dec 6 2003, 09:04 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Dec 6 2003, 12:55 AM
Actually, Cold Mountain is getting pretty good reviews, and seems like the one LOTR has to beat this year for Oscar Gold.
Yeah I know but ROTK is getting much better reviews, and once people like Leanord Maltin and Ebert and Roeper, all of the professional critics have their say, I'm sure everyone will be praising it, shoot they were saying it was the front runner in the Oscar race before anyone even saw it, the buzz around the oscar camp is that no other film has a change against it (some voting academy members actually said that), and even rival studios are saying it's going to be a hard film to beat - some rivals have even talked as if they want it to win. [/b][/quote]
Cold Mountain is apparently getting more positive reviews as of right now. I mean they did screen it earlier, but Cold Mountain comes later I think. I'm sure ROTK will have better reviews, but I wouldn't count on Leonard Maltin or Richard roeper...Roeper thought FOTR was a bad movie.

[Phil Tinajero]

I know this may be a little off-topic to what you guys are talking about, but has everyone listened to the soundtrack? It's really amazing. Although, I'm slightly more partial to the Two Towers, I think ROTK is much more of an epic score and it harkens back to the FOTR score a little more than TTT did. It's excellent, but I can't seem to match the music to the movie in my head. Even though I purchased the Two Towers soundtrack a while before the movie was released, I seemed to know what was happening through the music, give or take a few tracks. With the ROTK score it's a little tougher.

Oh and I've seen a few commercials for Cold Mountain. It looks good, I suppose. Better than ROTK? No way. Not a chance. But does Cold Mountain have a slightly better chance at winning Best Picture than ROTK does? Maybe. Only because it's got Nicole Kidman and just reeks Oscar. I don't know why the Academy can't bring themselves to give it to a fantasy, but then I again I'd be glad to see the last LOTR film go home with a lot of gold. It'd be very much a proper farewell to one of the best epic trilogies of our time.

But even if ROTK doesn't win, who cares? Cold Mountain or whatever may win Best Picture may last a few years in people's minds but LOTR will live forever in ours! And if Oscar doesn't think so, then he can shove it.

[Marbleman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And if Oscar doesn't think so, then he can shove it. [/b][/quote]

Yeah he's a grouch anyway.

Thanks for reminding me about the soundtrack. By the way, anyone who has listened to it can you explain why these two were mentioned on the tracks?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>5. The Steward of Gondor - Billy Boyd
17. The Return of the King - Viggo Mortensen
[/b][/quote]

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[Darth Vegas]

Because they both sing on those tracks.

[Marbleman]

Originally posted by TK-007@Dec 7 2003, 02:25 AM
Because they both sing on those tracks.
I hope they are good.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Dec 6 2003, 08:30 AM
Cold Mountain is apparently getting more positive reviews as of right now.
Like from who? The National Board of Reviews? They were wrong about last years winner, as I remember.

Every review I've heard of ROTK so far has been extremely possitive, I don't think it's very often when a film is shown to the Director's Guild/Screen actors guild etc. etc., and close to everyone in the audience is sobbing - that's the report from several screenings of the film.

Cold Mountain has no chance against ROTK.

Just say it Mann, you know it to be true!

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by marbleman84+Dec 6 2003, 11:27 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(marbleman84 @ Dec 6 2003, 1