Boba Fett is not Dead

[Saranac]

I have been debating this subject for awhile now and I just want to clear it up.

Everybody assumes in ROTJ when Boba Fett falls into the Sarlaac that he dies. We do not know this for sure.He could have easily escaped from the Sarlaac. You all know Boba Fett was well equipped.

Upon falling into the Sarlaac he had the folowing items: jetpack, wrist lasers, flame launcher, grappling device, concussion grenade launcher, knee-pad rocket dart launchers, and spiked boots.Not to mention body armor and a helmet.

These items would make it possible for someone to survive a fall into the Sarlaac. I have read several books about him and they all have some scenario on how Boba Fett escapes. I know that the books don't mean anything, but it shows support that he could have lived.

It could have taken some time after he fell to escape, so when he got out Luke Skywalker and Co. left.

Everyone says "Shut up, he's dead," but unless you have spoken with GL, then you SHUT UP. The following evidence shows that Boba Fett's chances for survival were very high so next time when your talking about Boba Fett's death list it as unknown.

These are my opinions like them or love them they are true.

[QuigonWindu]

Yea , even though we have alot of other topics like this. I've always assumed he was alive. there are like 50 books andd comics about him so I figured he must be alive.

[Saranac]

FINALLY!

There is someone else who agrees he is alive. How could you possibly think he died in a Sarlaac.

[Saranac]

Unlike "The creator of Star Wars" Darth Darthy you have faith that Boba Fett got himself out of that situation.

[Darth Badly]

He's dead. He was a crap bounty hunter who died a comedy death very easy.

Live with it.

[Nathan Butler]

Lucasfilm and Lucas' take:

In Canon (Lucas' saga) he's dead, and since we never get to see him escape later, he's still presumed dead.

In the Official Continuity (the EU minus Infinities/Apocrypha) he manages to get himself out.

It's yet another "point of view" question depending on if you prefer 1st Level Canon, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or Official. There are vast differences.

[Saranac]

LOL a crap Bounty Hunter.......

He was the best in the galaxy.

Comedy..... Jar Jar Binks...... yea...... everyone likes him...........not really

[darth covington]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@July 25 2002 - 20:37
He's dead. *He was a crap bounty hunter who died a comedy death very easy.

Live with it.
boba is not dead he wasn't a crap bounty hunter he caught han right what did jango do? boba escaped and was in the service of the new order of the empire that had survived he though the empire didn't is still alive! yeah i've spoke to GL and he confirmed it so stop telling my friend here to shut up even though darth darthy may be my "master"he is wrong on this subject.

[Darth Badly]

How can you doubt that he's dead for a second.

Both Bobba and his father had neat outfits but both die a quick comedy death in the SW films because the joke is that they were not very good at their jobs. They're both idiots.

Remember all those years of speculation after ESB, as to who/what Bobba really was? Then Uncle George kills him in a great sight gag and he's forgotten about.

They're the joke of the SW saga.

I love you all.

[Nathan Butler]

1.) Lucas himself has said on any number of occasions, in public publications, that in "his saga" (1st - 4th Level Canon), Boba Fett is dead as of ROTJ. However, LFL has always made a distinction between Canon and Official, as the entire Official Continuity is essentially an expansion on GL's Canon, which he is by no means bound by, and which is considered on a lower stratus than GL's Canon.

2.) Somehow I doubt that you've personally talked to GL about anything, let alone this, and that if you had, he would have completely recanted on every statement he's ever made on the subject and given the opposite answer *just* to you.

3.) Keep the attitude down, please, Covington. That goes for Darth Badly as well (to a lesser extent). We don't want this thread to end up with anyone flaming. It's a legitimate discussion topic, so *discuss.*

[Saranac]

Ok if he wasn't a good Bounty Hunter name one thats better.

[Nathan Butler]

Which, obviously, he won't be able to do if he holds to Canon, as he has been. It's a trick question. *You can't really argue that any of the Bounty Hunters in the films have been better than Boba, because we've seen no others actually succeed.

If he expands into the Official Continuity to answer, he's invalidated his point, because according to the Official Continuity, he's still alive as of the NJO era.

So, we can't fairly expect an answer to the question.

Also, Saranac, the attitude comment extends to you as well:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Everyone says "Shut up, he's dead," but unless you have spoken with GL, then you SHUT UP.[/b][/quote]

Watch it.

At the same time, also remember that the following isn't possible:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>These are my opinions like them or love them they are true. [/b][/quote]

An opinion cannot be true or false. It is an opinion. Only fact can be true or false.

If the topic is going to be debated, let's keep the playing field level, logical, and respectful.

[darth covington]

[U]sorry it was not me who got all angry it was my idiot friend i didn't talk to GL and i don't think boba is dead because i read it somewhere.

[Saranac]

Thats alright as long as you think he lives.

[Nathan Butler]

Covington: Fine. Just remember the "read it somewhere" part. That's what makes the distinction between Canon and Official, George's saga and LFL's.

[Saranac]

I have not just read it somewhere I have read it in dozens of books.

[Pepper]

Heh-heh, you guys actually had me going there for a while. *Heh-heh, I was about the pass out from bewilderment at the level of immaturity displayed here, but I quickly returned to my senses.

"Thats alright as long as you think he lives."

"and i don't think boba is dead because i read it somewhere."

"Ok if he wasn't a good Bounty Hunter name one thats better."

This is great stuff, especially "yeah i've spoke to GL and he confirmed it". *OK, who's the mastermind behind this one. *Tov? *Vibroblade? *Teek?

LOL and *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Nathan Butler]

Precisely. Dozens of books IN THE OFFICIAL CONTINUITY. Well, that's great, but NOTHING published under license from Lucasfilm that was not a direct adaptation of a film, is considered anything above Official. It's not "canon," but "official."

Remember, it works like this:

Canon
--1st Level
--2nd Level
--3rd Level
--4th Level
Expanded Universe
--Official
--Apocrypha
Fan Creations

Unless you saw it in 1st Level Canon (the Special Editions, AOTC, or TPM DVD), 2nd Level Canon (the original versions of TPM, ANH, ESB, and ROTJ), 3rd Level Canon (the novelizations of the films), or 4th Level Canon (the Radio Dramas of the Classic Trilogy), then the book is considered Expanded Universe.

Unless it was a book like the Trioculus Saga, then it was most likely part of the "Official" segment of the Expanded Universe.

However, while he has appeared in literally dozens of Official level stories after his apparent death in ROTJ, there are no Canonical stories in which this happens. Why? Because Canon does not extend beyond the end of ROTJ. There's simply no such thing as post-ROTJ "Canon." So, most fans, including yourself, tend to consider the "true" SW saga to be the Official Continuity (the films, plus the games, novels, comics, and so forth).

While that is correct in the Official sense, you must keep in mind that there is still that "Canon" level that supercedes Official materials. In Canon, we never see Boba escape. Does that mean he couldn't have? No. And that reasonable doubt is how the Official Continuity has been able to "save" him and create new post-ROTJ Fett stories. But in Canon, speaking just for George Lucas' vision of the saga, not that of his company, Lucasfilm, Fett remains presumed dead in Canon.

(Sigh . . . This is why we need to get the first ChronoRadio Special Edition out in October . . . )

[Darth Badly]

As Attack of the Clowns has shown none of the EU stuff is worth a fig. The only thing that counts is the films and in them he's DEAD.

[Saranac]

You think were immature whats up with your smileyface oh thats mature.

HOW DO YOU KNOW HE'S DEAD

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Saranac@July 25 2002 - 21:22
HOW DO YOU KNOW HE'S DEAD
He's dead because on screen in ROTJ he falls into a creature that eats people and everyone says "oh, he's dead" and we NEVER see him again.

How difficult can that be?

[Saranac]

Sorry NathanButlerswt I will be calm from now one.

[Nathan Butler]

Darth Badly: And we should remind you that whatever fan opinion may say at any given time, it is, in fact, still up to Lucas and Lucasfilm to determine what is and isn't "worth a fig" in terms of continuity. According to Lucas and LFL, the Official Continuity is still valid, if only as far as it climbs on their conflict resolution ladder.

Saranac: That comment counts as flaming. Keep this respectable, understand?

[Saranac]

We never see him again because the OT ended and he had no part in the destruction of the second death star.

[Saranac]

Yes sorry once again I will be respectful.

[darth covington]

i read on the back of the toy box i belive that was some time ago it;s possible for him to be alive he could have gotten away with his gadgets.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by NathanButlerSWT@July 25 2002 - 21:26
Darth Badly: *And we should remind you that whatever fan opinion may say at any given time, it is, in fact, still up to Lucas and Lucasfilm to determine what is and isn't "worth a fig" in terms of continuity. *According to Lucas and LFL, the Official Continuity is still valid, if only as far as it climbs on their conflict resolution ladder.
Conflict resolution ladder? What?!?!

He's dead. That's it.

I paid money to watch him die.

People are entitled to believe he's alive if they want, but it's like believing that the Darth Star never got blown up.

Black is a different colour than white. Gravity pulls things towards the earth's core. How hard can this be?

I love you all. Especially Nathan.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by darth covington@July 25 2002 - 21:30
i read on the back of the toy box i belive that was some time ago it;s possible for him to be alive he could have gotten away with his gadgets.
What like his famous Aston Martin ejector seat?

[Nathan Butler]

1.) We never see him again in Canon because GL himself considered him dead. However, he never put such a statement into the films, simply leaving him for dead. We never see Jabba again either, since he had nothing to do with the DS2's destruction, so are we to assume he could've lived as well? Maybe he had a secondary airway out his tail . . .

2.) Saranac: Apologizing after the fact SEVERAL times does not make it right. Do NOT do it again.

[Saranac]

Im going to end it, if you think hes dead go ahead im not arguing about it.

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Conflict resolution ladder? What?!?![/b][/quote]

The conflict resolution structure that LFL uses whenever contradictions arise between books and films, books and other books, and so forth. It's been in effect in its present form (albeit with some shuffling due to the TPM DVD release) since 1997, although the earliest vestiges of it date as far back as 1977, when they first had to explain away things like R2-D2 having claws instead of rollers in the ANH novelization, as opposed to the film.

It's generally an internal thing, and only ends up being evidenced publicly (so as not to hurt sales) in extreme cases, like when fans get all up in arms about things like, say, the Boba situation, or Rebel Assault's ending.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by NathanButlerSWT@July 25 2002 - 21:31
We never see Jabba again either, since he had nothing to do with the DS2's destruction, so are we to assume he could've lived as well? *Maybe he had a secondary airway out his tail . . .
You're having a bubble aren't you?

(Bubble bath - laugh).

Of course Jabba is DEAD. We see him get strangled by a near naked princess (what a way to go) then he gets blown up!

Or since we don't see every single last piece of either Death Star flying through space should we assumn that they are still there too???

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by NathanButlerSWT@July 25 2002 - 21:34
It's been in effect in its present form (albeit with some shuffling due to the TPM DVD release)
What pray tell, changed with the TPM DVD then???

[Nathan Butler]

Badly:

1.) You DO realize that I was responding sarcastically to Saranac's poor logic when he said . . .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>We never see him again because the OT ended and he had no part in the destruction of the second death star.[/b][/quote]

. . . right?

2.) Before I forget, if you want to learn a bit more about how LFL set up that structure and so forth, before the CR:SE comes out in October, a brief history of the structure is covered in the second episode of ChronoRadio, while the reasonings behind their different public/private faces on the topic (at times) is covered in the first episode. You can find both here (http://www.starwarz.com/timeline/chrono.html).

[Nathan Butler]

The structure was pretty much intact as of 1997 when the Special Editions necessitated a new superior level above the original films. *In 1999, the original TPM release was slotted as the top authority on TPM events, but the DVD release bumped that down and replaced it as top dog by adding a couple of deleted scenes and a few tweaks, like who was with Orn Free Taa in the Senate scenes.

"Did you see Orn Free Taa's booth in TPM:DVD? Let's just make our lives a bit more difficult, why don't they?"
--my longtime LFL cont. dept. contact, right after the release, the change in which they were not consulted about

[Darth Badly]

To be honet, Nathan, no I didn't think you were being sarcastic.

Can you explain the DVD reference to me in a few sentences? Are you saying that the extra scenes on the DVD affected continuity somehow?

[Saranac]

WHAT

I don't have poor logic.

[Nathan Butler]

Heh, I knew it. That's why people think I'm an arse! No one gets my almost constant sarcasm! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

As to the TPM DVD . . . It did in VERY, VERY minor ways. For instance, in the Senate, Orn Free Taa was originally sporting two LFL (or was it ILM) staffers as his aides. Now they're digitally-inserted Twi'lek women. It really doesn't end up amounting to much, but it required LFL to consider the DVD the final say on TPM, putting the original theatrical release on essentially the same level as the non-SE Classic Trilogy.

In fact, so far, the only film that doesn't have an entry in both 1st and 2nd Level Canon is AOTC, as there's only been the one version of the film. There are still empty "slots" in Canon.

TPM AOTC ANH ROTJ ESB
1st Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
2nd Yes No Yes Yes Yes
3rd Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
4th No No Yes Yes Yes

I can only hope that someday we'll see Radio Dramas of the prequels, so we can have a chock-full 4-level Canon group for each film.

I'm sure my contact would get annoyed at me for saying so, though. The more they add, the more she has to keep up with. :)

[Darth Badly]

Thank you Nathan. This is all about as clear as the plot of Attack of the Clowns.

(And, no, groovy funsters, don't bother to post along the lines of "oh, well that was great, so it's all clear then." Cause it ain't.)

I'm going to bed.

I love you all. Especially Nathan - who has a very fetching picture of himself up in his profile if you care to look.

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I don't have poor logic.
[/b][/quote]

You did in that case. You can't logically assume that because we don't see Fett after Tatooine that it's because he had no DS2 battle role, instead of it being because Lucas considered him history.

Even if you assume that Fett was only temporarily injured, and assume that's what GL intended (which it isn't, but for the same of argument, we can assume), then you still have major logic flaws there. We don't see Palpatine after he is thrown into the pit. Does that mean GL didn't mean for him to die? We don't see Vader's body being burned, only the suit. Does that mean GL meant for Anakin to be able to reinhabit his dead body someday?

You made a leap of explanation that doesn't really work, in light of other established facts.

[Saranac]

I understand because i say alot of sarcastic things, such as when I was talking about immaturity.

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Thank you Nathan. This is all about as clear as the plot of Attack of the Clowns.[/b][/quote]

Take a look at the ChronoRadio segments I suggested. There's also a detailed explanation of the structure in the main file of the Star Wars Timeline Gold, and a visualization-assistance mp3 file on the same site.

[Saranac]

How do you know Lucas considered him history.

[darth covington]

his logic was fine he had no other parts because he was NOT arole in the war so he have no more point in the movie. and maybe you just didn't understand his logic oh yeah here:
"boba feyys armor is made from ancient mandalorian armor...blah blah blah...althogh belived to have died on tatooine he escaped the sarlac pitt with extensive damage to his armor which he repaired on his own.
i belive this guys sorry.

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I understand because i say alot of sarcastic things, such as when I was talking about immaturity. [/b][/quote]

That wasn't sarcasm. You were essentially calling the poster in question immature. There's a big difference there.

[Saranac]

I was sarcastingly calling him immature.

[Darth Badly]

He's still bloody dead.

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>How do you know Lucas considered him history[/b][/quote]

Because GL has said specifically in several interviews, including on the Official Site, that "in my story, he's dead."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>his logic was fine he had no other parts because he was NOT arole in the war so he have no more point in the movie. and maybe you just didn't understand his logic oh yeah here:
"boba feyys armor is made from ancient mandalorian armor...blah blah blah...althogh belived to have died on tatooine he escaped the sarlac pitt with extensive damage to his armor which he repaired on his own.
i belive this guys sorry[/b][/quote]

His logic was not fine, by any means. He was essentially saying that Fett lived, and the only reason we didn't see him again is that he had no role in the DS2 battle, whereas someone with the opposite POV could simply say "the reason we didn't see him was because he was, well, dead." There's no logical foundation for what he said, especially in light of GL's own comments on the subject.

Also, understand something: No one is arguing that Boba doesn't live in the Official Continuity. However, there is a big difference between Canon and Official, and one must recognize and respect those differences if one is to understand the different takes on the continuity that GL and LFL adhere to.

I'm not arguing for his life or death. BOTH are true, depending on which level you're talking about.

[darth covington]

he very much alive my sriend very much now I'M going to bed before the sun rises.

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I was sarcastingly calling him immature.
[/b][/quote]

And, even if we accept that explanation, sarcastic flaming is still flaming, so again, keep it respectful.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He's still bloody dead. [/b][/quote]

1st Level Canon: True.
2nd Level Canon: True.
3rd Level Canon: True.
4th Level Canon: True.
Official Continuity: False.
Apocrypha/Infinities: Depends on the story.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Saranac@July 25 2002 - 22:00
I was sarcastingly calling him immature.
But he is immature - so how can calling him immature be sarcastic.

(And no, Nathan that does not equal a flame.)

[darth covington]

boba alive!!! i tell you and i'm never backing down and darth badly sure that doesn't equal a flame and truly this time good night!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>(And no, Nathan that does not equal a flame.) [/b][/quote]

::GASP!!!::

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Y'know, it's times like this I wish we could just say:

"Go to your rooooooooooom!"
--Nani, Lilo and Stitch

[Darth Badly]

Bobba dead.

Darth Badly bed.

[Nathan Butler]

Ha! Covington and Badly in one "Go to your room" shot. I'm getting good at this. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

'Night, fellas.

[Pepper]

Nathan,
When there needs to be such a complicated and convoluted "continuity structure" to keep things straight, or rather, to control damage in publicity and sales, then that's a very very good sign that the whole system is a wreck. *How on earth can a relatively simple story that was supposedly written during one brief period of time (in the mid-Seventies) be made to be so screwed up??!! *

By way of comparison, look at Tolkien's Middle-earth stories. *Sure, there were some contradictions early on, but he corrected those himself (as Lucas should have), and that story was so much more detailed and complex. *Yet if you read all his books now it runs together very nicely. *If people insist on taking the EU, plus what Lucas says, plus what McCallum says, plus what the movies show/don't show, plus one's own opinion as fact, then there's no way to make heads or tails of anything in SW. *Nowadays I just take my own opinion and interpretation of SW as the bottom line. *That's how I get the most enjoyment out of them because there have been too many additions, modifications, or even lies over the years to try to reconcile everything.

I enjoy some things about the Prequel Trilogy episodes, but I do agree that Lucas has really screwed some things up, and I tend to blame it all on him and his careless-ness over the years with his own story.

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Nathan,
When there needs to be such a complicated and convoluted "continuity structure" to keep things straight, or rather, to control damage in publicity and sales, then that's a very very good sign that the whole system is a wreck.[/b][/quote]

Hear hear!

Frankly, the way it's been handled, I think, is somewhat of a disservice to fans. For the fan's sake, they should either make it all equally valid, or at least make the conflict resolution thing public. But, I guess we as fans sort of forced them into keeping it close to the chest. Check out sales numbers on the things they HAVE said are less valid than others. They're markedly lower.

I'd love to someday be able to say that LFL has managed to make continuity issues as simple for SW as they are for, say, Babylon 5 or Farscape, but so far, it's not looking too good.

[WhatMeWookie]

Originally posted by NathanButlerSWT@July 25 2002 - 22:37
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Nathan,
When there needs to be such a complicated and convoluted "continuity structure" to keep things straight, or rather, to control damage in publicity and sales, then that's a very very good sign that the whole system is a wreck.

Hear hear!

Frankly, the way it's been handled, I think, is somewhat of a disservice to fans. *For the fan's sake, they should either make it all equally valid, or at least make the conflict resolution thing public. *But, I guess we as fans sort of forced them into keeping it close to the chest. *Check out sales numbers on the things they HAVE said are less valid than others. *They're markedly lower.

I'd love to someday be able to say that LFL has managed to make continuity issues as simple for SW as they are for, say, Babylon 5 or Farscape, but so far, it's not looking too good.[/b][/quote]
Yeah but what I really wanna know is where does Luke Skywalker's appearance on the Muppet Show fit into continuity. It was him. And Mark Hamill was his cousin!!!!

This reallly confuses everything.

I think the Argyle Gargling Gargoyle was sifo-dyas! Trust me. It's in that very show that all the answers lie.

[bodhisattva yoda]

if lucas considers him dead, he's dead. ignoring his death is like star wars purists pretending the prequels don't exist. didn't the sarlac even belch after eating him?

[BL-17]

Boba's not dead. He just went home.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by WhatMeWookie@July 29 2002 - 11:42

WhatMe raises a fair point.

So Nathen, come on, where does the Luke appearence on the Muppet Show fit in?? He's wearing his Empire outfit I seem to remember.

PS Also if Lucus film continuity has him being related to Mark Hamill that would at least explain why they look so much alike.

What's the official view?

[Justin]

You know, just because we see Boba Fett fall into the Sarlacc pit and it burps, it would be premature to just say "He's dead."

Remember, it takes a thousand years for the Sarlaac to digest things, so he wouldn't be killed right off.

It would take a couple weeks for him to die of starvation and lack of water (unless of course, he eats the stuff that's in there). It's POSSIBLE that he might have gotten out.

Maybe fixed his jet pack, or used his weapons to get himself puked out. It's up to your imagination.

It's never confirmed nor denied in the movie; we can't say "yes, he died" or "no, he got out." It's up to your own opinion. Unless Lucas says he died, in which case, he died.

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by Justin@July 29 2002 - 13:55
It's never confirmed nor denied in the movie; we can't say "yes, he died" or "no, he got out." It's up to your own opinion. *Unless Lucas says he died, in which case, he died.
If you read back a bit you'll see that Nathan has reported that according to Lucus "he's dead".

So he's dead.

[Darth Badly]

Where is Nathan "Pretty Boy" Butler anyway???

We want answers to our Muppet Show questions. *I wanna see where that Luke edition of the Muppet Show fits on his timeline.

Show us Nathan.

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Where is Nathan "Pretty Boy" Butler anyway???[/b][/quote]

Taking a few days off to not post, just lurk every now and then, to see whether I want to keep modding or resign the position and all the b.s. that goes with it. (Which would let me give certain comments like that one the treatment they deserve instead of playing at diplomacy.)

Justin covered what I would've responded to previous posts, then Badly handled the response to that, so the only thing to cover is the Muppet Show thing. That is, obviously, Apocrypha. It falls into the same category as Rebel Assault, the Trioculus Books (in full form), the Rogue Squadron N64 game, and so forth. I don't see what's so complicated about that.

Not everything licensed is part of the Official Continuity. The Expanded Universe (licensed materials) includes both Official (in-continuity) and Apocryphal/Infinities tales (out-of-continuity). That's what lets them do things like the Muppet appearance, Sergio Stomps Star Wars, Tag and Blink are Dead, and so forth.

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:blue">Boba Fett is dead. He died in ROTJ. I love EU but I do know that it is not true. GL said the EU is a different universe. The way I see it, if GL says he is dead, than he is dead.</span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

didn't i say that? go take your ritalin, obi.

and.
from a cinimatic point of view, the burp would suggest boba's death. there was a close-up of the sarlacc AND a burp. his death (or the beginning of it) was emphasized. now everyone shut up before i throw YOU in the sarlacc pit. let's see you survive it. :saber:

[Darth Badly]

Nathan - are you saying Luke Skywalker never really met the Muppets then? I though a brief but secret fling with Miss Piggy in her Leia outfit was what really turned Luke from boy into Jedi between Empire and ROTJ.

I am crushed.

(And no offence intended - you really are pretty.)

I love you all.

Just don't anyone tell me that the Star Wars Holiday Special never really happened.

[Pepper]

I'm a huge Darth Vader fan. *I say he's not dead, and you can't PROVE otherwise!! *Sure, it may look like he died in ROTJ, but he was the most powerful Jedi ever, and so he may have used his unparalleled Force abilities to keep himself alive long enough for Luke to get him to a hospital ship or something. *He really just passed out when you think you saw him die. *You would too if you just got zapped by the Emperor and had your cyborg hand cut off!! *And when you saw him in spirit form he was just projecting himself into the spirit plane so that he could help and guide Obi-Wan and Yoda, since they were not as powerful as him. *Sure, they were among the most powerful, just not AS powerful.

Darth Vader lives!!!

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[Darth Badly]

I am a huge fan of former President JFK and I say he's alive too. Until George Lucus says otherwise, maybe he is OK? You can't prove he's dead. Maybe they stopped the car and put his brains back in his head.

At the end of Ep III, I would like to see a 4 way light saber fight between Darth Vader, Count Duckular, former President JFK, and either Princess Leia or Elvis. I can't decide.

That would be awesome.

[obi1kenobi]

And just cause Lee Harvey Oswald got killed on National Television, he's not dead either, the CIA and Lucasfilm covered it up, so he could go into operations in Vietnam.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Pepper]

Quote: "I would like to see a 4 way light saber fight between Darth Vader, Count Duckular, former President JFK, and either Princess Leia or Elvis. *I can't decide."

WHAT??? *You didn't include Boba Fett!! *He's alive, I tell you, and he'd kick all them back to Jedi pre-school! *He's the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy, after all!!
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[Polunis]

Originally posted by Pepper@July 30 2002 - 00:02
Quote: "I would like to see a 4 way light saber fight between Darth Vader, Count Duckular, former President JFK, and either Princess Leia or Elvis. I can't decide."

WHAT??? You didn't include Boba Fett!! He's alive, I tell you, and he'd kick all them back to Jedi pre-school! He's the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy, after all!!
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When did Boba ever fight with a lightsaber?

[Nathan Butler]

Duckular? I think I missed that one. What's that one from?

And Fett fought with a saber in an Infinities tale from a recent SW Tales issue. The exact story escapes me right now. He fights Vader with a saber over who is taking Han into custody. Cruddy story, and unfortunately Apocryphal, but I'm pretty sure that one had Kia Asamiya artwork.

[Polunis]

Originally posted by NathanButlerSWT@July 30 2002 - 00:29
Duckular? I think I missed that one. What's that one from?

And Fett fought with a saber in an Infinities tale from a recent SW Tales issue. The exact story escapes me right now. He fights Vader with a saber over who is taking Han into custody. Cruddy story, and unfortunately Apocryphal, but I'm pretty sure that one had Kia Asamiya artwork.
Hmm...interesting. I have never heard of it, so it's a good thing we have you around. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

I think Duckular refers to Count Dooku; in the Attack of the Clowns thread, Darth Badly refers to him as such.

[Nathan Butler]

Ah. I was trying to think if there was a vampire in something like Duck Tales of Darkwing Duck, or if maybe he was trying to say Count Chocula.

[Polunis]

I think those characters were probably his inspiration. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Badly]

Have you guys never heard of the great COUNT DUCKULAR??? He's a British animated kids character by the creators of DANGERMOUSE.

And yep, he's a (friendly) vampire duck.

[WhatMeWookie]

Originally posted by Pepper@July 30 2002 - 00:02
WHAT??? *You didn't include Boba Fett!! *He's alive, I tell you, and he'd kick all them back to Jedi pre-school! *He's the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy, after all!!
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Come now. The greatest Bount Hunter ever. He's justa tired design concept.

He's terrible. He can't shoot straight, wears outfits that are 30 years out of fashion (and boy I think he'd be
suffering from major body odour problems), has zip personality and is the nancy boy of the sextet.

You could blow him down with a feather. Boba Fett ends his days dramatically (and that's all that really matters here) with a comedy slapstick moment which admittedly is one of the best laughs and blindingly cool moments of creative genius. He went out with a belch!!!!

Is he alive or dead. Who cares. He's dramatically played his last exit and his career is over. Those who base their assumptions on trash pulp novels or hacked franchise comic books should sharpen their analytical skills within these pages against those who know better.

I'd take him without a fancy suit.

Come on Boba, claw your way out of the digestive tracts of the Sarlacc Pit if you dare. I'm waiting for you. Bring It On.

[Polunis]

Originally posted by Darth Badly@July 30 2002 - 08:59
Have you guys never heard of the great COUNT DUCKULAR??? He's a British animated kids character by the creators of DANGERMOUSE.

And yep, he's a (friendly) vampire duck.
Apparently I haven't. A friendly vampire duck? How could that be so?

[Polunis]

That was pretty funny, WhatMeWookie. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif :lol:

[Rob]

Topic has absolutely nothing to do with the prequel trilogy whatsoever. It has been moved to the General Star Wars thread.

For the record, Boba Fett is dead. He was eaten by the Sarlacc. Everything else is fan fiction style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

count duckula. that was a cartoon on nickalodeon back when they were still playing family double dare and you can't do that on television and like, inspector gadget. count duckula had a castle with rocket boosters, i believe. or transportation device. or something. and a big fat maid that would walk thru walls.

[bodhisattva yoda]

um. i didn't realize someone already pointed that out. hey obi-wan. gimme some ritalin.

[Obi-Wan]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@July 29 2002 - 17:10

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't i say that? go take your ritalin, obi.[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:blue">Yoda, do you even know what ritalin means? It is used to treat depression or hyperactivity in children. I do not have depression. And I am not hyper. You don't even know who I am. How can you say that? I am very happy. And I have never been hyper. So next time think about what you say.</span>

[Nathan Butler]

Obi-Wan's taken care of it fairly nicely, but, on advice of fellow mods, I should point out

BY, watch it with the flames.

This . . .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>[/b][/quote]
didn't i say that? go take your ritalin, obi.

and.
from a cinimatic point of view, the burp would suggest boba's death. there was a close-up of the sarlacc AND a burp. his death (or the beginning of it) was emphasized. now everyone shut up before i throw YOU in the sarlacc pit. let's see you survive it.

Includes 1 outright flame and one comment that could be perceived as a threat, veiled or otherwise. Both are TOS violations. You've been warned for questionable behavior before. Keep it civil, and those you converse with will do the same.

(In other words, Obi-Wan, if he lets it go, let it go. He obviously has no clue what ritalin does, physiologically, and is just tossing around schoolyard insults. No reason to take great offense.)

[Pepper]

Quote: "He fights Vader with a saber over who is taking Han into custody."

Sorry guys, but this is one of the most absurd story ideas I've ever heard of, and takes the Boba-is-best fanboy idea to the most ridiculous extremes. *He actually fights Vader over who takes Han into custody?? *Who on earth actually thinks up this stuff?? *In ESB Vader pretty much tells Fett what's what, as Vader does to pretty much everyone else, and Fett has to go along with it, period. *"No disintegrations!", point blank. *Then he later slaps Fett's gun down and there's no challenge whatsoever from the Mighty Fett. **Vader* captures Solo, not Fett, then Vader tells Fett what to do with him. *

Yet now there's some published story (they actually published this thing?! ) that has Fett battling Vader with a lightsaber...and living to tell about it. *Now that just makes me wanna *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

If Lucasfilm let's the fanboys get away with stuff like this (and they did since they let it get published), it makes me concerned that we'll see Baby Fett taking on Mace Windu and defeating him with a lightsaber in Episode III, or some non-sense like that. *Man, I sure hope Lucas doesn't do something like that.

[Darth Darthy]

Using my vast amount of knowledge of literally everything, ever. In the whole Universe. I have decided that Boba Fart is dead. And so should you. You know it to be true. And I don't wan't any "NOOOOO, THATS IMPOSSIBLE!"'s from anybody. Is that understood?
*Gives stern look to everybody including mods*

[Nathan Butler]

Pepper: That's why it's an INFINITIES story, not part of the Official Continuity at all.

[Seanakin]

*Puts on Homeric voice*

Stupid fanboys...*BURP*

[Pepper]

LOL, Sean!!! *(Someone needs to create a Homer smilie.)

:roll:

Nathan, that's why they put stuff like Maul vs. Vader in "Infinities", because it obviously could never happen, yet is an intriguing and entertaining idea. *Boba vs. Vader is a whole different deal. *Sorry, but I just cannot buy into such a scenario, not even for an impossible "what if".

[bodhisattva yoda]

threatening to throw someone in the sarlacc pit can be percieved as an actual threat? i wasn't even refering to anyone in particular. you think if i threatened to throw the president of the united states into the sarlacc, i'd be apprehended by the secret service?

[bodhisattva yoda]

and yes, i know what ritalin is. ritalin is a stimulant which aids attention deficit disorder, add, or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, adhd, which are essentially the same disorder, only some people exhibit hyperactivity and others do not. although it is often perscribed to alleviate parents and teachers of the headache of disruptive hyperactive children, it's primary use is to increase the given patient's attention span and learning abilities. in the context of my malevolent flaming insult, the way i used the word made perfect sense. damnit.

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:blue">Yoda, just to tell you. I am not like that at all. Where do get I am hyper?</span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

i won't even say anything there, even though i really want to.
but. yeah.
truce. :angel:

[Nathan Butler]

BY: I'm sorry, did you just say ADD and ADHD are essentially the same disorder? That's absurd, as any of the handful of mods here who are classroom teachers will attest. They have entirely different outward results. Also, the Secret Service thing makes no difference to the argument.

In the "outside world," there are libel, slander, and threat allowances for public figures. Here, however, it doesn't matter how you threaten: any threats, however benign, violate the terms of service. Period.

Pepper: Would you believe that, after it was printed, LFL went ahead and allowed "Resurrection" (Vader vs. Maul) to be considered part of the Official Continuity? They said it made sense given that the Maul was not the real Maul, but a Dark Side-generated clone of Maul or somesuch. Their cardinal example in several examples from Cerasi turned out to not be valid at all anymore.

[bodhisattva yoda]

different outward results, yeah. i mentioned that. but isn't it physiologically the same disorder, essentially? what's the difference? isn't there even debate as to whether there should be both terms, add and adhd, rather than just one? it seems adhd is the correct term these days. it seems.

and come on, weren't some other memebers talking about bopping one another? or something? why do i get the feeling like you're out to get me? i may have been a bit out of line with the ritalin comment, but the sarlacc comment was a damn joke.

[Mookel1138]

I'm really sensing a lack of maturity and an extreme deviation from the topic here.

However;
I was under the impression that ADD is an acronym for Attention Deficit Disorder, while ADHD stands for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. ADHD would indicate an increase in physical activity, then, would it not? I really don't know, I'm just drawing some conclusions (and we all know what Ysanne Isard says about assuming...)

[Mookel1138]

Kudos to NathanButler for pointing out the differences in Canon and Official-dom and trying to keep the peace in here.

As far as the MOVIES (notice I said MOVIES, nothing else) are concerned, Boba Fett is dead and gone.

[Tovor]

Excuse me, bodhisattva yoda, but I live near a sarlaac pit, a bit too close for comfort, so any threats however comical of thowing someone into one make me nervous. *

If you did threaten to throw the President into one, the Secret Service and FBI would take you in for questioning, since having no idea what a sarlaac is, they would assume it was a metaphor for something actually real and dangerous.

I have to stand by Nathan re: the ritalin comment. Even though Obi-Wan is not on ritalin, to suggest that he missed a dosage would imply that he needed it, and that is inconsiderate toward both him as well as anyone actually on it. *Regardless of what ritalin is, what it is prescribed for, or what it does, to tell anyone who disagrees with your opinion to take their meds is no less than implying that their ability to reason intelligently is affected by a mental disorder.

But to end this message on a positive note, President Clinton was, yes, was, thrown into a Sarlaac pit in the form of Monica Lewinsky. *What does a sarlaac look like but a vagina with teeth and tentacles? *His affair with the intern was a toothy beast he slid into, one he couldn't climb out of again until it devoured him.

[tjedi1]

i shud remind u all that lucas film ok s all the bok before they go into print

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[Nathan Butler]

BY: *They’re physiologically different as well. *Basically, Attention Defecit Disorder, forces a lack of concentration abilities with a general slowdown of comprehension and retention. *ADHD, Attention Defecit Hyperactivity Disorder, works by causing such a speed-up of the concentration and retention that the person has trouble focusing and is “bouncing off the walls.” *Don’t worry about not knowing much about it beforehand, though. I didn’t really know much about either until I had a girlfriend with ADHD.

The main debate now is whether to split Hyperactivity into its own disorder, classifying both attention problems as ADD, but they’re really not the same, so it’s still considered two entities.

As for being “out to get you,” you’ve been riding the edge of what’s acceptable in a lot of cases over the last month or so. *Your tone and attitude also tend to be more abrasive than many others. That puts you in a bit of a spotlight for nipping things like that in the bud before people who may not take it as a joke take offense. *“Bopping” is one thing. *Implying a wish of severe harm or death on someone is another. *We have to remain consistent in catching those, whenever we see them.

Mookie1138: I’m glad it’s appreciated. *Hopefully, you’ll find the ChronoRadio: Special Edition coming in October (“The Canon Question”) of great use. *I finished it up last night, and we’re getting the compression and tag ready for the anniversary release right now.

Tovor: *Don’t forget that now it has a beak. *

Tjedi1: LucasBooks, a division of Lucasfilm, okays them, but Lucas himself stays almost entirely out of the process. That’s a huge distinction that needs to be recognized. Even in the case of Chewbacca’s death in Vector Prime, all he did was okay a list of possible victims.

[Tovor]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Tovor: Don’t forget that now it has a beak.
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Nate, I could take this joke further with that, but I might have to give myself a mod-warning if I do! :dunce:

[Nathan Butler]

And so, my comment shackles him with his own . . . well, shackles style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[Dark Jedi]

Because of his armor the sarlac "Found him hard to digest". He has science been in many books and comics science his assumed death :skull: And the Books do mean somthing. They are continuations of Star Wars approved by George Lucas. Boba Fett lived on... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Meche]

Lucas has said weird things about the books so I have no idea. As far as only the movies are concerned, it's hard to say whether he died. I think that it was implied he died. However, there was such a big deal made over being digested for a thousand years, as if it is a long painful period of time and the digestion is in progress for some time before the individual actually dies.

I usually try to stop thinking about it by this point.

[Tovor]

Yeah, Nate, 'tis hard to be a mod, when an example one must set...but how can I pass this up...one with a beak is the greatest fear of a good many men, and the regrets of boys who used to be men. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Nathan Butler]

Dark Jedi: *Lucas himself has been quoted on many occasions, when asked about Fett, as saying that he's dead. *Actually, the exact quote is "In my story, he's dead." *It's become sort of his deadpan response.

Lucas does NOT approve the continuation materials. He approved Lucasfilm's desire to launch an Official Continuity, and he is consulted on VERY rare occasions, as when he approved several names on a list of possible victims for Vector Prime, but he otherwise stays out of it, as he recently reiterated for about the hundredth time in a Cinescape interview.

The exact quote there, if you're interested is, the following:

"There are two worlds here. *There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe – the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don’t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don’t get too involved in the parallel universe."

(Yes, I had that quote here on-hand. I used it within the last week for the ChronoRadio: *Special Edition on "The Canon Question." *Now, I really wish I could release it before October, but I think it really needs to stay with the whole anniversary theme.)

So, again, is Fett dead?

1st (Final Film Version) Level Canon: Yes.
2nd (Original Film Version) Level Canon: Yes.
3rd (Novelization) Level Canon: Yes.
4th (Radio Drama) Level Canon: Yes.
Official Continuity: No.
Apocrypha/Infinities: Depends on the story in question.

[Tovor]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>. *However, there was such a big deal made over being digested for a thousand years, as if it is a long painful period of time and the digestion is in progress for some time before the individual actually dies.
[/b][/quote]

Yes, and that never made sense to me, why the 1000 years bit was such a dramatic factor. *A victim would have long ago died from starvation, deyhedration or from being crushed going through the throat during the swallowing process. *And at that point, with the vitcim being dead and not digested speedily for 1000 years, digestion would no longer have been necessary considering the body would have decayed and turned to dust.

[Nathan Butler]

Ah, but then you've got that person that Fett was able to converse with while inside the creature, who had been in there for quite a long time. It almost seems that while you're slowly being digested, you retain your consciousness somehow. Kind of like the pit sustains you...while it digests you.

[Tovor]

Of course, totally logical. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/skullwink.gif So you live longer than the normal course without food or water, in an environment of stomach acid and digestive gases, and to pass the time you converse with your other partially digested house guests. *

LMAO, ya gotta love those EU writers! *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Are you wondering like I am if Boba Fett had any playing cards or pocket video games in his equipment belt to pass the time between conversations down there? :p

[Dark Jedi]

My sources must have been incorect. My mistake for believing them without checking around.

[bodhisattva yoda]

don't patronize me, nathan. i know plenty about add/adhd. i disagree with you that the physilogical causes differ. my entire family has add. people have add all their lives, but many of them outgrow the hyperactivity. again, the differences are debatable, but don't tell me i don't know what i'm talking about. add and adhd are both due to lesser brain activity than the average individual which is why speed is used to treat it. speed, or ritalin, stimulates an inhibitor in the brain. this calms hyperactivity and promotes the ability to concentrate.
do you actually realize how condescending you are? is it deliberate?

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>don't patronize me, nathan. i know plenty about add/adhd. i disagree with you that the physilogical causes differ. my entire family has add. people have add all their lives, but many of them outgrow the hyperactivity. again, the differences are debatable, but don't tell me i don't know what i'm talking about. add and adhd are both due to lesser brain activity than the average individual which is why speed is used to treat it. speed, or ritalin, stimulates an inhibitor in the brain. this calms hyperactivity and promotes the ability to concentrate.
do you actually realize how condescending you are? is it deliberate? [/b][/quote]

I'm only condescending when someone is proclaiming incorrect information to be factual. You *are* incorrect on the differences between ADD and ADHD.

ADD is what used to be referred to as Minimal Brain Dysfunction (MBD).

ADHD is what used to be referred to as Hyperkinetic Disorder of Childhood (HDC).

Later, ADD came to be the overall term used for both, until later research showed that hyperactivity was present in many, but not all cases, causing HDC to be "reinvented," under the term ADHD. Both are currently considered part of the same disorder set, but two separate situations.

Basically, the major symptoms of ADD and ADHD are all controlled by a mixture of input from three different areas: the frontal lobes, the cortex (particularly the inhibitory mechanisms therein), and the limbic system. The particular ways in which those interact determine hyperactivity, sluggish activity, attention problems, and so forth, commonly associated with ADD and ADHD.

The part that controls how each of those three work is the Reticular Activating System (often called the Attention Center). Differing levels of several brain chemicals, primarily Norepinephrine, cause the RAS to be either under-excited, over-excited, or, in most people's cases, normal. This in turn causes fluctuations in the balance of inputs from the frontal lobes, cortex, and limibc system.

The physical (i.e. neurons and tissue) sources of both ADD and ADHD are the same, but the brain chemicals in involved are not and, in extreme cases, bear almost no resemblance to one another. Attibuting them to the same cause is like saying that because a taco has some beef, some lettuce, some cheese, and some tomato bits, that it must be the same as a hamburger, since the hamburger also has cheese, lettuce, beef, and tomato.

For ADD and ADHD, doctors often prescribe Ritalin. What it does, basically, is infuse the RAS with a flood of extra norepinephrin and some extra dopamine stimulation. In ADD patients, it takes the levels of the "good stuff" that aren't high enough and bump it up, while in ADHD patients, the infusion of new "good stuff" basically overloads by sheer volume the "bad stuff," sort of like overwriting deleted information on a hard drive by putting in new data over those sectors.

As to the hyperactivity of ADHD often being outgrown, that is due to normally declining norepinephrin levels in human aging cycles. The root causes of the disorder, generally considered to be genetic predisposition, are still there, but, unlike in the case of ADD, when they fall, they fall into normal range, not even farther down than before.

So, am I trying to be condescending? No. BUT, if you're going to spout incorrect information and take offense when someone corrects you, then you'd better believe I'm going to come back with the facts at hand. There's NOTHING that hurts our society as a whole more than willful ignorance, those who have the opportunity to learn the facts of a given situation but refuse to do so out of stubborness, lack of interest, or otherwise. As long as I'm able to post, and as long as people are spouting such misinformation on already often-misunderstood topics, I'll continue to educate them on reality. If you don't like it, or can't handle that, quite frankly, I don't care. If you don't want to be corrected, have facts on-hand, not misinformation.

[bodhisattva yoda]

you said yourself that the physical sources are the same. i think our disagreement is based more on our rhetoric than misinformation.

http://www.add.org/content/abc/factsheet.htm

i'll drop this now, but i still feel that you were being unfairly condescending. i'll take responsibility for starting this whole mess, by 'flaming' obi-wan and whatnot, but come on. what i'm saying isn't absurd and it isn't misinformation. people react differently to many mental disorders such as clinical depression(depression depression, mind you, not bi-polar and whatnot) but the physiology of the disorders are the same. people may all react to a disorder in one certain way, but disorders as we know them usually have a broad range of symptoms. add, i believe, deserves the same treatment. hyperactivity is among many symptoms, but not a defining attribute. again, this is debatable. sorry if my response is convoluted beyond comprehension. all i mean to say is that i think it would be more appropriate to say that you disagree with me rather than tell me i'm wrong. we can continue to debate the point if you wish, and i'll try to be friendly about it. truce. okay?
as for my seemingly rotten attitude, i'll try to use happy-faces to express sarcasm and whatnot. plain text can be very arbitrary. :look:

[Tovor]

bodhisattva yoda, on a totally unrelated note, what is the meaning behind your user name? *I am curious. *Is it something simple, or does it come from Hinduism or some other religion or culture?

[Saranac]

Ok lets get back to the subject.

Boba Fett escaped.

Nothing else to say.

[Queen 'Onna]

Boda Fett is dead. Dead dead dead dead dead.
Is that so hard to understand?

[Nathan Butler]

Well, it's nice to know we've moved on from logical, point by point debate, to "is not, is too, is not, is too" again.

Circles are fun, aren't they?

[bodhisattva yoda]

bodhisattva is a buddhist term. a bodhisattva is essentially a buddha that forgoes supreme enlightenment until all beings are freed from duhkha, the suffering of life forms arising from the karmic cycle of terrestrial existence. so, rather than staying in nirvana, the state of enlightenment, a bodhisattva will try to teach others how to attain enlightenment as well. and if you believe in the religious aspects of buddhism (though i enjoy it as more of a spiritual philosophy), a bodhisattva willfully chooses to be reincarnated as to continue to teach people, whereas a buddha will simply transcend physical reality thus freeing him or herself of mortal suffering. i hope that all made sense.

[Nathan Butler]

Made sense to me.

Is it ever assumed that a bodhisattva can later break that cycle to choose to remain in nirvana, or is it not so much a choice as a state of being, where once you're in that cycle, you continue that way?

[Justin]

And then do you learn whether or not Boba Fett really died in the Sarlacc?

[bodhisattva yoda]

well, i think the school that believes in becoming a bodhisattva would probably say no. i mean, not that it wouldn't be possible for the person to choose not to, but, because the person would have, after knowing nirvana, have reached a state of almost omniscent wisdom, i think the bodhisattva, idealy, would have made the right choice from the getgo. however, the buddha, who is often considered a bodhisattva himself, when he was alive he did teach pupils how to attain enlightnment, but he would often times retreat to some private location to meditate to feel the bliss of nirvana once again. so, in conclusion, i dunno. probably.

[Saranac]

I can't understand why people could possibly think he died.

It took a thousand year for the Sarlacc to digest which is plenty of time for Boba Fett to escape with. Especially since he was fully loaded.

Plain and simple he is alive.

[Darth Drew]

Originally posted by Saranac@Aug. 04 2002 - 14:13
I can't understand why people could possibly think he died.

It took a thousand years for the Sarlacc to digest which is plenty of time for Boba Fett to escape with. Especially since he was fully loaded.

Plain and simple he is alive.
If you were being digested for a thousand years thats1,000 years! do you think you would still be alive and kickin'

[Mann]

I think that Lucas means he's dead, becasue the story ended along time ago in a galaxy far far away, so they all died!

I think he should have survived. He could have blown a chunk out of the sarlacc with the rocket launcher he's got and the jet pack.

[Tovor]

bodhisattva yoda, thanks for the explanation. *Fascinating stuff.

BTW, just an FYI, although I am sorry to mention the subject that was put aside. *I've realized, as an adult, that I have always had ADD, since after I split my head open at 14. * style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Saranac]

Originally posted by Mann@Aug. 04 2002 - 19:27
I think he should have survived. He could have blown a chunk out of the sarlacc with the rocket launcher he's got and the jet pack.
He did survive and from the best that I know thats how he escaped.

[Mann]

I read how he escaped, but i was saying that is most likely how it would really happen. You don't just die in the Sarlacc, you are made to live for a thousand years. He would have done something to bust out of the pit.

[Saranac]

Absolutely

[Darth Darthy]

It was explained in a comic book by Darkhorse in the mid nineties. Dengar helped him out of the pit on a scavage run after the mighty bloaters demise, bringing Fett back to health. Can't remember the rest but I think that Jodo Kast or whatever his name was is in it.

Besides, thats EU - Boba Fart died in the great pit of Carcoon. No arguments, we all saw AND heard him die. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif

[Saranac]

What don't you get.

He escaped your telling me if you had all of Boba Fett's equipment and you fell in, you wouldn't be able to get out.

You are so narrow-minded.

[Mann]

For one thing, we never saw him die, we saw him fall in a pit. We heard him scream because he fell. Notice everyone else who fell in screamed. They just screamed cuz they were falling into a giant mouth. I think he just got eaten, but never completly digested.

[Saranac]

When he started to get digested he escaped. I have no doubt about it.

Boba Fett escaped from the Sarlacc.

[Darth Darthy]

In order to be digested you must be in the stomach. So your telling me that he was swallowed down the trachia pushed into it's stomach (which would have squished him), burned just a little itty bit, then rocketed out of the Sarlacc?

You must accept, he is dead. Believing otherwise will not change that...

[Saranac]

First he used his Rocket Launcher then he used the jetpack to escape.

[Darth Darthy]

Would using a rocket launcher in such a confined space not only kill the Sarlacc but Boba also?

Waves hand in a Force like gesture - "You will accept Boba's death."

[Saranac]

Looks at Darth Darthy- "Pulls out blaster and shoots him dead on the spot."

Boba Fett was badly burned.

[Darth Darthy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Looks at Darth Darthy- "Pulls out blaster and shoots him dead on the spot."
[/b][/quote]

Although we all think Darth Darthy's dead in actual fact he's only mildly burned.

"Phew, thank the maker I didn't die in such an embarassing way as Boba, eh?", retorts Darth Darthy to himself.

[Saranac]

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@Aug. 04 2002 - 20:36
"Phew, thank the maker I didn't die in such an embarassing way as Boba, eh?", retorts Darth Darthy to himself.
Turns to mildy-burned Darth Darthy "puts hands on throat and chokes him to death." Laughs to himself thinking how Darthy died pitifully like Palpatine.

[Darth Darthy]

Darth Darthy emerges from a dark corner, pleased that his 'Attack of the Darth Darthy Clone' plan worked just as he'd anticipated. Although he may be killed again, an endless number of clones will fill that void once again. Darth Darthy reminisces Palpys death and thinks to himself; "At least we got to see him fall down a big hole...".

[Saranac]

Suddenly an explosion rocks the place killing all of the Darthy clones.

Laughs to self while flying away, wondering how Darthy could possibly compete with him.

Later travels to clonemaking-plant. Destroyes all of clone machines.

[Darth Darthy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Suddenly an explosion rocks the place killing all of the Darthy clones.[/b][/quote]

Luckily Darth Darthy was in a Galaxy far, far away at the time. While building a super, mega, really special clone-u-like™ machine. Which happens to be completely indestructible to any attempt to destroy it. Ever.

[Nathan Butler]

You are so narrow-minded.

Okay, ::steps out of mod mode::

That's just about enough of this crap, Saranac.

How in the happy horns of the hellish helliness of all that is hellish in hell can YOU, of ALL people, call ANYONE narrow-minded???

LISTEN TO YOURSELF, MAN!!!

You have, in the majority of your posts on this thread, spent six pages, each time you showed up, doing your absolutely damnedest not to recognize ANY points of view other than your own. You have refused, outright, to listen to diverse opinions, NOR have you deigned it worthy of your own narrow-mindedness to acknowledge facts that have come STRAIGHT FROM LUCAS' OR LUCASFILM'S COLLECTIVE MOUTH.

There are TWO separate timelines at work here, Saranac. *There's Lucas' timeline, and there's Lucasfilm's timeline. They are NOT the same thing.

Lucas himself, just recently via Cinescape, has said:

“There are two worlds here,” explained Lucas. “There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe – the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don’t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don’t get too involved in the parallel universe.”

There is Lucas' world of the films (1st Level Canon), and there is the Lucasfilm Official Continuity (merely Official). *Lucas is the one person who defines what exists in HIS "world," and in HIS world, as he is quoted as saying several times, even on the Official SW Website:

In my saga, he's dead.

On the OTHER hand, in the Official Continuity, LucasFILM, not GEORGE LUCAS, has brought Boba back to life for its stories. *He reappeared first in Dark Empire, and we finally learned the entire story behind his escape in A Barve Like That, The Last One Standing, and Twin Engines of Destruction. *According to the Official Continuity, he is alive.

However, you, my narrow-minded fellow poster, are only acknowledging the Official Continuity (Lucasfilm's "world"), not Lucas' "world," nor the words of Lucas himself.

There IS no right or wrong to whether Boba is alive or dead in general because it depends on which version of the saga you're looking at--Lucas' or Lucasfilm's--, and each gives you a different answer.

Everyone arguing either side of the case has been right to their own point of view, but unless both "truths" of the two different continuities are acknowledged, no one is free from also being wrong at the same time.

Spouting things like this do nothing but prove that it is YOU who is the narrow-minded poster child here.

Exhibit A:

Everyone says "Shut up, he's dead," but unless you have spoken with GL, then you SHUT UP. The following evidence shows that Boba Fett's chances for survival were very high so next time when your talking about Boba Fett's death list it as unknown.

These are my opinions like them or love them they are true.

Opinions are neither true nor false. That's why their called "opinions."

Exhibit B:

How could you possibly think he died in a Sarlaac.


Lucas said it? *It's true in Canon, if not in Officialdom?

Exhibit C:

Unlike "The creator of Star Wars" Darth Darthy you have faith that Boba Fett got himself out of that situation

You're placing your own opinion over the word of the character's creator, hmm? *Arrogance to the nth degree.

Exhibit D:

Thats alright as long as you think he lives.

Ah, so dissenting opinions are allowed, as long as they are the same as YOUR opinion. *Arrogance again.

Exhibit E:

I have not just read it somewhere I have read it in dozens of books.

That would've saved you, had you admitted to a difference between Lucas' saga and Lucasfilm's. *But alas, twas not to be.

Exhibit F:

You think were immature whats up with your smileyface oh thats mature.

Resorting to flames, part one.

Exhibit G:

Sorry NathanButlerswt I will be calm from now one.


Lie #1.

Exhibit H:

Yes sorry once again I will be respectful.

Lie #2.

Exhibit I:

Im going to end it, if you think hes dead go ahead im not arguing about it.

If our opinions are not precisely the same as yours, you're taking your ball and going home. *Narrow....minded...ness...

Exhibit J:

Ok lets get back to the subject.

Boba Fett escaped.

Nothing else to say.

"I know what I know, and even if you disprove what I know, what I know IS what I know, and my knowing it makes it right. This I know, and knowing is half the battle."

Exhibit K:

I can't understand why people could possibly think he died.

It took a thousand year for the Sarlacc to digest which is plenty of time for Boba Fett to escape with. Especially since he was fully loaded.

Plain and simple he is alive.


People have tried to spend the last 6 pages of posts explaining why some say he's alive and some say he is dead. However, you decide to take the narrow-minded route and not bother trying to understand the complexity of the situation, choosing rather to make statements like "plain and simple he is alive." *Arrogance. *Narrow-mindedness.

And then the icing on the cake:

Exhibit L:

What don't you get.

He escaped your telling me if you had all of Boba Fett's equipment and you fell in, you wouldn't be able to get out.

You are so narrow-minded.

Saranac, you've been warned about insults. You've been warned about being civil and promised to do so TWICE, both times breaking that word. *And now you have the outright insane gall to call someone ELSE narrow-minded?

Oh HEEEEEELLLL no. It's time to re-evaluate yourself there, Saranac. *It's time to act civil as you promised, and as the terms of service requite. It's time to be a big boy and open more than just your mouth, but your ears as well.

From this point onward, my eyes are on you, and you had best tread VERY carefully, because you've crossed one too many lines here. *I will be MORE than happy to recommend that your narrow-minded butt get banned, even if it's my last act as a mod, if it comes to it.

In other words:

Watch your mouth, jackass. *We're done with this crap.

The comments in this post are from NathanButlerSWT, and do not necessarily represent the fellings of all moderators.

[Saranac]

LOL

ummm......... I dont remeber writing any of this...........

uhhhhh...... that was my little brother.......yea.......

No your right NathanButlerSWT I am narrowminded I guess I just got caught up in defending Boba Fett I lost my logic.

Now reading over what I wrote I look like a idiot. Oh yea when I said the "creator of Star Wars" I was talking about Darth Darthy. He stated to me he was the original creator not GL.

I guess I probaly should be commited to a hospital.

I should have looked at different points of view but I kept on getting angry at peoples responses.

Also I will admit I am mad at GL. Deep down I know Boba Fett is dead thats why I went to great lengths to defend him so people don't uncover the truth like I have.

LOL

I would like to thank you for showing me my problems.
Now im going to stop insulting people so I dont get kicked out.

I can't believe it came down to this I have now lost respect of everyone in this forum.

That was funny how you presented that post.

LOL

I have truly seen the error of my ways. You probaly think im lying but I swear to God im am sorry.

Im not writing any more in this topic I suggest you lock it.

[Darth Darthy]

Damn. It was just getting fun. Oh well, guess I can be right all the time. Hee hee style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

P.S. NathanButlerSWT: It was just a light hearted joke, after all we all know I created SW with George as my personal assitant. But then again Salanac may have been a nuaghty poster, I've not read all his stuff...
I was slooooooooooowwwwwwwllllyyyyyy converting Saranac to the Darkside: the RIGHTSIDE. Moo hoo haaaaaaaw haaaaaaaaaawwwwww ho. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Im not writing any more in this topic I suggest you lock it.
[/b][/quote]

And miss the chance to see if you can behave yourself? Not on your life.

Let's hope the third time's the charm on the promise of shaping up, ey?

[Darth Darthy]

I think you may be to late NathanButlerSWT, he is already far down the path of Darkness, if only you knew the truth. Soon the world (and Galaxy) will be mine! Moo hooo haaw gaaafaaawww!!!

<---- Decides to take lessons in laughing without maniacal undertones overtaking himself.

[Nathan Butler]

Try helium. At least then if you sound maniacal, it'll be a maniacal chipmunk, which isn't nearly as menacing.

The Chipmunk Menace.

[Darth Darthy]

Thanks for the advice. It worked. Now I sound like a real pyscho. Moo hoo heeeeeeeeeeeeeeee hee!!!

[Pepper]

Quote: "I can't believe it came down to this I have now lost respect of everyone in this forum."

Uh, why?

[Darth Darthy]

Because we never earned his respect in the first place. We were to lowly to be associated with such a higher being. :tears:

[Nathan Butler]

I think he meant that he has lost the respect of everyone else, not FOR everyone else.

That's what happens when English is your second language, and nothing is your first. I see it everyday.

(Nathan the Cynical Teacher strikes again.)

[Obi-Stu]

Okay so after 15 days this is what we have

6 people think Boba Fett is alive
11 people think he is dead
1 is not sure
1 does not care

There are some that say Vader,JFK & Lee Harvey Oswald
aren't dead.

Any other Takers?

[Mann]

Elvis is not Dead, He just went home!

[Darth Darthy]

Elvis died while squeezing the cheese with a burger in one hand and a copy of Greasy Food Monthly in the other. I'm glad it wasn't me who discovered him. Face down with a turtle head poking out... :0

[Obidobi]

Boba Fett is´nt only dead.He also turned green and got his body filled with holes that the worms inside the sarlacc dug out. Sorry but that is a fact. Nothing else in the films says other, so thats it!
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[Mann]

Say what obidobi? The movies don't say anything about it so it's fact? We only hear that the people in the pit are digested over a thousand years.

[Nathan Butler]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Boba Fett is´nt only dead.He also turned green and got his body filled with holes that the worms inside the sarlacc dug out. Sorry but that is a fact. Nothing else in the films says other, so thats it![/b][/quote]

Wow, that's quite a "do as I say, not as I do" double-standard there.

Nothing in the films ever says he "turns green and gets his body filled with holes that the worms inside the sarlacc dug out," nor that there are "worms inside the sarlacc." In fact, nothing in 1st Level Canon or 2nd Level Canon . . . or 3rd Level Canon, or 4th Level Canon . . . and hell, even in the Official Continuity ever says anything of the kind.

But, since the films (1st Level Canon) never show his escape, he didn't, because unless it's in the films, it doesn't count.

What kind of asinine backwards logic is that? "I can use my own imagination and add to the films, but the LucasBooks-licensed writers can't."

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[blacksaber]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Upon falling into the Sarlaac he had the folowing items: jetpack, wrist lasers, flame launcher, grappling device, concussion grenade launcher, knee-pad rocket dart launchers, and spiked boots.Not to mention body armor and a helmet[/b][/quote]

Been reading Anderson? but i agree, he can also activate infared, maribinocs w/ his tounge. he escapes definately

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He's dead. He was a crap bounty hunter who died a comedy death very easy.[/b][/quote]

can't agree with this he was a very good, not the best but very good

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Ok if he wasn't a good Bounty Hunter name one thats better[/b][/quote]

Dengar all the way style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Attack of the Clowns[/b][/quote]

Finally someone else who dosen't worship this excuse for a star wars movie, mainly a lot of special effects and too long love affairs style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

[Darth Marley]

He is not dead,but is being slowly digested inside the Sarlac over the next thousand years.

If he were such a great bounty hunter,then wouldn't the stormtrooper clones have been able to shoot better?

[Lord Chaos]

Just to be slightly on topic, Nathan has a point. It depends on which storyline your looking at, beit Lucas' or Lucasfilms. In the movies, he's dead, but in the EU he's alive because of the opening left by what is an ambiguous demise which writers took advantage of. Simple.

As for the accuracy issue. First of all, they Stormtroopers are clones of Jango and not Boba. I don't mean to patronize, but I'm just making sure that point's clear. Secondly, the accuracy of a person firing a weapon is far more environmental than genetic. Surely, being a clone of Jango Fett would possibly give Boba and the Stormtroopers a natural attunement to firing weapons accurately, but, even so, they'd still have to be trained.

My final point on the Stormtrooper accuracy is that in the films, the Stormtroopers truely are accurate to the point of Old Ben calling them precise. There are examples in the canon of how deadly Stormtrooper blaster fire is. That would include the Tantive IV, the Jawas, Owen and Beru Lars, as well as C-3PO. However, in many situations, notably inside the first Death Star, and on Bespin, the Stormtroopers are trying to put on a show because they are part of a trap being set by higher members of the Emperor's New Order. That's just the answer I would give within the SW reality as portrayed by the films. As a story, you can't have the Stormtroopers killing our heros. It wouldn't be that great of a story. As much as even I may like the bad guys, I wouldn't have the films change so they win.

[bous]

There's also a debate going on about the accuracy of the stormtroopers stating that they are not first generation clones.
This could mean that their accuracy isn't as good as that of the first generation clonetroopers. (The host Jango is no longer around to provide new 'clone material' so they would have to start using clones to make new clones, so it would be a copy of a copy).

[Lord Chaos]

That's not a bad theory. My only problem with it would be the fact that it seems to disregard the facts of how key events unfolded in the films. It, however, would work fine within the Official Continuity (EU), though I haven't read anything recently and therefore have no clue whether or not there would be any contradictions.

[Handothrawn]

Even if you don't take EU into account, you still have to think he'd die of dehydration/starvation long before the 1000 years is up.

[Fluke Skywalker]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/jangofett.gif Anybody read the Bounty Hunters Wars trilogy? 'cos Fetts alive and well in those and they explain how he escaped from the sarlacc and rescued by Dengar. Personally I count this as being alive and we even get a brief cameo from the illustrious bounty hunter at the end of the New Jedi Order series where he and a group of commandos (all wearing Mandalorian armour) save Han and Leia's ass.

[cj790]

This just boils down to a 'do you believe EU or not' question; I'd probably say No. It's entertaining to sometimes read, but doesn't necessarily become canon.

[Fluke Skywalker]

I think it's more a question of do you want to believe it? My answer would be yes I do. To me EU is as much Star Wars as the films and it certainly creates more depth to them. Ok I know that continuity is a bit off some times which is why I wouldn't include any of the old Marvel stuff but Lucasfilm are very strict about what can or cannot be written.

[Handothrawn]

If you believe what the EU has put forth, then Boba is alive. If you are a SW purist then the EU doesn't matter.

Its all in how you look at things.

[Fluke Skywalker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>you believe what the EU has put forth, then Boba is alive. If you are a SW purist then the EU doesn't matter.

Its all in how you look at things. [/b][/quote]

You mean from a certain point of view? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[STar war spUNK]

well also the eu isn't always right... i mean look at the jedi apprentice books (if you're as geeky as me, yes you read those). in one book, it said that obi-wan's brother was owen. that is definitely not right!

[STar war spUNK]

and as far as boba being dead or not... i think he escaped the sarlaac (in my opinion, because that would just be a crappy death) but he ended up dying somewhere else. i mean he had to die.

[Fluke Skywalker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>he ended up dying somewhere else. i mean he had to die. [/b][/quote]

Do you mean that you think he died somewhere else that's not been recorded and that the post ROTJ novel and comic books don't count? Does that make sense, 'cos it confuses me? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[STar war spUNK]

i am saying everyone dies. that is all. haha.

[DarthAnakin]

According to EU he is alive.

[Saranac]

ooo such an old thread...revived

When ROTJ is released on DVD we shall be treated with the exclusive deleted scene showing his triumphant escape.

~Saranac a.k. SuperShadow style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[Valsair]

In the book The Mandolorian Armor Boba Fett is found and taken into the hospitality of Dengar, the bounty hunter, and in the comic Dark Empire Han has a meeting with Boba Fett on Nar Shaddaa.

In Canon, he is dead.

In the Expanded Universe, Boba Fett is very much alive.

That settles it, there is no need to get up-tight about this, those are the facts.

[Fluke Skywalker]

Didn't I see Fett lurking around in the Ewok village? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Wouldn't it be sooo cool if on the deleted scenes of the ROTJ DVD, there would one scene of Boba blasting his way out of the sarlac?

[Valsair]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@Apr 16 2004, 09:04 PM
Wouldn't it be sooo cool if on the deleted scenes of the ROTJ DVD, there would one scene of Boba blasting his way out of the sarlac?
That would not be possible.

They would require construction of a new set, digital effects, actor, etc.

Couldn't happen.

Although I do hope they add all the deleted scenes onto the dvds, like the wampa room on EsB and the storm on RoJ.

[DarthAnakin]

^ I didn't say it was likely, I was just contemplating how cool it would be.

[Valsair]

Ah, well then yes, indeed it would be cool.

[Saranac]

Originally posted by Valsair@Apr 16 2004, 11:09 PM
That would not be possible.

They would require construction of a new set, digital effects, actor, etc.

Couldn't happen.

Although I do hope they add all the deleted scenes onto the dvds, like the wampa room on EsB and the storm on RoJ.
Heyy ya never know maybe GL secretly made a deleted scene and swore the cast and crew to secrecy style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Mann]

Originally posted by Valsair+Apr 17 2004, 04:09 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Valsair @ Apr 17 2004, 04:09 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-DarthAnakin@Apr 16 2004, 09:04 PM
Wouldn't it be sooo cool if on the deleted scenes of the ROTJ DVD, there would one scene of Boba blasting his way out of the sarlac?
That would not be possible.

They would require construction of a new set, digital effects, actor, etc.

Couldn't happen.

Although I do hope they add all the deleted scenes onto the dvds, like the wampa room on EsB and the storm on RoJ. [/b][/quote]
a new Actor? seems to me that Boba was hidden in the OT...

[spaceman2386]

all your crazy EU ppl trying to change the real SW story line so you can go out and sell more books about a charater the is already dead.

[DarthAnakin]

^ What do you mean us sell the books?

[Valsair]

Originally posted by spaceman2386@Apr 17 2004, 08:47 PM
all your crazy EU ppl trying to change the real SW story line so you can go out and sell more books about a charater the is already dead.
I am not trying to do anything, I just enjoy reading the EU books and studing their lore. And I do not sell books, you can address the wonderful Kevin J. Anderson and other literary writers such as him for such doings, and you can address the author of Dark Empire and The Mandolorian Armor for addressing Boba Fett's true living.

I completely understand that in the true Star Wars trilogy, Boba Fett is dead, and I completely understand that beyond the movie boundaries he is not.

By the way, your lack of grammar and spelling is disturbing.

[Streen]

^ Bah.... the clumsy Mandlorian clone is dead. Period.

[Tenira]

He isn't dead though! But anyway why are we arguing about this? There isn't going to be a Ep VII-IX anyway, so its a moot point.

[Valsair]

I am afraid, if going by Canon, he is dead.

But of course, in the extended universe of Star Wars that I adore and study, he is well alive.

[sidious618]

Originally posted by Valsair@Apr 18 2004, 12:47 PM
I am afraid, if going by Canon, he is dead.

But of course, in the extended universe of Star Wars that I adore and study, he is well alive.
The EU is canon.

Everything in the EU happened unless the movies say it doesn't.

[general grievous]

there is nothing in the movie that says he couldnt of got out

[Darth Palpy]

"for a thousand years..."

[general grievous]

uses his jetpack to break free

[Valsair]

No - his jetpack was damaged by Han Solo. (Watched Jedi today)

He crawled out, using his various bounty hunter gadgets, especially a flame-thrower...

Where I read this I do not recall.

[Tenira]

No he didn't, in the Mandalorian armour series it says he uses his broken jetpack to burn or irritate the sarlac, making it belch or something style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif And then he was ejected out. I think that's what happened, and I'd also like to support the notion that anything in the EU happened unless the movie says it doesn't.

[Sluggo]

^
The EU is canon.

Everything in the EU happened unless the movies say it doesn't.
... notion that anything in the EU happened unless the movie says it doesn't.


Huh? The EU is NOT canon. That's why it is the EU. It is apocryphal. I'd like to see any written statement from anybody at Lucasfilm or Lucasbooks saying otherwise. The EU is fine and all, but there are too many contradictions in it for that to hold any credibility. Besides, the burden of proof is on those who claim this. I don't need to prove that Boba Fett is dead. The movie did that for me. He and a bunch of other thugs fell in, a burning sail barge fell on top of the pit of carkoon. Dead, dead, dead. Dam you Cam Kennedy!! This is your fault!!



Man am I gonna get it now. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif

[DarthSolo]

again, it comes down to this. after ROTJ its safe to think Boba Fett is dead. its not proven, but it is a logical assumption. but, if you chose to go past ROTJ for whatever reason, and encounter the story of Boba Fett post-endor, we know he is alive. because we didnt actually see dead corpse in ROTJ, the possibility is still there. and the EU exploited that possiblity. take it or leave it, but why argue about it. thats what it is!

[Obi-Stu]

This debate has been going on forever.

There will be those who don't follow EU and say he is dead, and those who read the books and will claim that he lived.


either way, there will never be a clear answer.

[Sluggo]

How about TOS (http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/steve/askjc20010817.html) for an official answer. Ok, it's not clear, but it's a start.

My pal T-bone let me and my pal Aaron discuss this very topic on his site. Also here (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/guest_editorials/johnsonsnyder_canon.htm)

[sidious618]

Originally posted by Sluggo@Apr 19 2004, 09:27 PM
^
The EU is canon.

Everything in the EU happened unless the movies say it doesn't.
... notion that anything in the EU happened unless the movie says it doesn't.


Huh? The EU is NOT canon. That's why it is the EU. It is apocryphal. I'd like to see any written statement from anybody at Lucasfilm or Lucasbooks saying otherwise. The EU is fine and all, but there are too many contradictions in it for that to hold any credibility. Besides, the burden of proof is on those who claim this. I don't need to prove that Boba Fett is dead. The movie did that for me. He and a bunch of other thugs fell in, a burning sail barge fell on top of the pit of carkoon. Dead, dead, dead. Dam you Cam Kennedy!! This is your fault!!



Man am I gonna get it now. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif
The EU is NOT acropyhl or whatever you called it. The EU is canon. Apocraphy is the infinities series not the EU. Please, get your facts straight.

[Sluggo]

Prove me wrong.

[Tenira]

Argh! Okay, lets say his status is currently UNKNOWN!

[Sluggo]

I could live with that, unless I fell in a sarlaac. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[DarthSolo]

if you stop at the movies it is unknown, though you can assume he's dead. but if you look at EU (which is considered part of the official continuity, i read this at TOS) its not unknown. at TUF he's leading an army of sorts.