Lava Pit and the Duel

[Darth Vegas]

I was thinking, perhaps Anakin's duel with Dooku, is his final test (just as facing Vader was Luke's final test) before becoming a Jedi. But he fails misserably.

It all happens like this towards the end of the film:

The Jedi council discovers that Dooku is hiding out on the "lava planet" Serenno. They send Anakin and Obi-Wan to bring him in.

On the planets surface, Anakin is somehow separated from Obi-Wan, and has to face Dooku alone.

At first Anakin is losing, but then Dooku starts to taunt him and play with his mind.

Dooku tell him,"You know your precious Padme, it was a pleasure killing her".

Hearing this Anakin falls into a blind rage, he begins to attck Dooku, who hardly blocks each strike.

Finally Dooku attempts to surrender, but Anakin has already made his decision, he is going to kill Dooku.

Just as Anakin motions to give thje final blow, Qui-GOn appears, "Anakin, Anakin, don't give into hate, that leads to the dark side".

Anakin replies, "He killed Padme, this is what he deserves".

Just then Obi-Wan arrives, "Anakin do not do this, you have made a commitment to the Jedi order. Our orders were to capture Dooku not kill him"!!!!!!!!

"Master he killed Padme, he must die".

"Anakin, Dooku lied to you, I know what happened to Padme, come to your senses, know the truth, feel it".

"There is no feeling Master, my love is gone, I feel her no more". *Anakin takes Dooku's head clear off his shoulders.
Just as Qui-Gon yells, "NNNNnnnnnoooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Anakin you are not yourself". Obi-Wan tries to tell Anakin.
"You know your destiny, you must bring back balance".

"I'm tired of your lies Master, Padme is dead, my destiny is over, it ends here, you and me, I challenge you".

"I will not fight you Anakin".

"Then you will meet your end".

The duel begins!!!!!!!!!! *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

What do you think?

How does it end, how does it begin?

Is this scenario poosible, and if not, why?

[Jedi Master Shaft]

I'm sure Master Kenobi's duel with Anakin Skywalker won't come right after the duel between Count Dooku and Anakin.

And I don't think Kenobi would let Anakin fight Dooku alone after their failure against the Count on Geonosis.

George Lucas said that the scene where Anakin Skywalker will turn to the Dark Side in Episode III will be in the vocabulary of the films of the 40s/50s. Strange, indeed.

I really believe that the Chancellor Palpatine will send secretly Skywalker to kill Count Dooku.


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[Darth Vegas]

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Keep in mind that GL want's the PT, and especially Episode 3 to rhyme like poetry with the OT.

Also that GL said in Episode 3 Anakin will face the same things that Luke did, only (obviously) make different choices that will lead directly to his fall. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Obi-Stu]

I really believe that the Chancellor Palpatine will send secretly Skywalker to kill Count Dooku.


This is an interesting idea, Master Shaft, what makes you think this might happen? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[maddog62]

TK 007 please refer to my Rhymes and Reasons post to understand my point on what GL means by Rhyme

[Jedi Master Shaft]

I believe this because when the Clone Wars will be over ( George said the very first battle in the beginning of Episode III would be the last battle of the Clone Wars ), Tyranus won't have any future in Sidious' plan.

Like Maul was only a killer trained to reveal the Sith to the Jedi, Tyranus is only a politician used to bring chaos in the galaxy.

The scene where Anakin Skywalker joins Chancellor Palpatine was not added in Clones without any reason. This scene shows that Palpatine is obviously close to Anakin, and wants Anakin to act of himself, in order to manipulate him easily and to turn him to the Dark Side.

Sidious has foreseen everything. He knows during Clones that the war won't last more than 4 years, and he knows that he will have to destroy his old apprentice Darth Tyranus to turn Anakin, this way, he will be certain to have a powerful ally when he will create his Empire.

So during Episode III, Sidious' plan is over; the galaxy in in chaos, many Jedi are dead, he has an army and he can do everything he wants.

Sidious calls Tyranus and tell him to go at his headquarters, waiting for new orders. Palpatine calls Anakin and tell him where Dooku is. Anakin, full of anger, knowing that he will actually become the most powerful Jedi if he kill Dooku, runs to Dooku's headquarters.

There he faces the old Master Dooku and easily kill him. There, Sidious arrives and tell some lies to Anakin to convince him he is playing on the wrong side. Facing a tired, unstable Anakin, some lies allow Sidious to turn Anakin easily.

Palpatine will send Anakin to kill Dooku. It's in his plan. It's the best way to fulfill his ambitions. He has something for Anakin in his plan but nothing for an old 82 years old Jedi-turned-Sith.

When Anakin will be turned, Palpatine will create the Empire and will launch his clonetroopers-turned-stormtroopers against everyone who's not happy.

If I was Palpatine, that's what I would do.


After reading my post ten times, I realise that it's not clear enough. Hope those who want to know will understand.

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[Darth Vegas]

Anybody else got two cents, to put in the machine? :look:

[Darth Vegas]

The real point of this thread is to discuss the possibility that Anakin's final test before he becomes a full Jedi, is to face Dooku, but he obviously fails.

Unlike Luke who fullfilled his destiny.

Someone's gotta have something to say.

[Javen]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.KA. TK-007@Aug. 21 2002 - 08:12
The real point of this thread is to discuss the possibility that Anakin's final test before he becomes a full Jedi, is to face Dooku, but he obviously fails.

Unlike Luke who fullfilled his destiny.

Someone's gotta have something to say.
Yeah..Dooku wont kill Padme and she probably wont die but hide

[JediBendu]

padme will die when a star destroyer lands on her head. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

I like the idea - but is Serenno a lava planet?

[Darth Vegas]

No one said Padme was going to die or that Dooku actually killed her, read the dialogue I wrote.

I'm saying that perhaps, in order to lure Anakin to the dark side, Dooku lies to Anakin about killing Padme. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif :eh:

[Zane Marit]

The only flaw I see in you theory is something I remember from ANH. And that is when Ben says "I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father". Now I know Obi Wan is famous for his "certain points of view" but it seems to me that Anakin will already be a Knight, not a padawan. Perhaps some heroics in the Clone Wars elevate him to knighthood???

Anyways...I just have a feeling that he should already have the title of Jedi Knight because converting a padawan to be an evil Sith puppet just sounds weak style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unhappy.gif . JMHO


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[Darth Vegas]

The term "Jedi Knight" is a generic term for all members of the Jedi Order.

Sure Obi-Wan said he was once a ".. Jedi knight the same as your father", but remember Obi-Wan is a Jedi Master in AOTC.

It's not possible for Anakin to be a full Jedi in Episode 3, because when he faces Obi-Wan, he will be "but a learner".

Beside that, Anakin is not just any old Padawan, he is the "Chosen One", it is clear already in AOTC that Palpatine wants him as his apprentice, I believe that he knows he needs him, as Anakin is the only one who can deystroy the Sith.

[JediBendu]

Jedi Knight is only bestowed upon a Jedi after he undergoes the trials.

I like the idea of Anakin going over to the dark side to destroy the Sith. Dooku offered Obi the same chance, and regrets Qui-Gon not being with him now. Perhaps Dooku thought he could destroy the Sith from within.

This is EU, but in the Dark Empire comic series, Luke did the same thing with the resurrected Emperor - he thought the only way to destroy the dark side was to understand it's workings by embracing the teachings. He was wrong of course but it would be a nice way for Anakin to succumb - we may even learn to forgive the ol bugger. ;)

[Darth Havok]

I see two possible scenarios involving Dooku's death..

1. A rematch of Anakin (and Possibly Obi-wan) to defeat him. In ESB, Luke fought Darth Vader and lost a hand in the process, only to re-match again in the ROTJ with Darth being defeated. The emporer wanted Luke to take his fathers place and seemed pretty confident he would. I think that confidence could have come from the senario being repeated, possibly, Anakin defeating his former Apprentice, then taking his place. IN ATOC Anakin fought, lost part of his arm, thus a circle seems to be forming.. Cut off an appendage, fight again and lose, winner becomes the next Apprentice of the emporer. LOL

2. Dooku feels he is too powerful to be only an Apprentice and is destroyed by the emporer (or Anakin at the request of the emporer). Dooku has stated that he is far more powerful than any Jedi, and was at one time a major member of the Jedi order. Not likely that someone who held that high a position would take a role as a Apprentice to anyone, and like it for too long. With the Sith standard of there being only two, Master/Apprentice, he possibly would challenge his Master and realize in the end he was not strong enough. Then again he may try to recruit Anakin as his apprentice in an attempt to overthrow the Emporer. Anakin seems very close to the emporer and may "rat" him out as a traitor. This may set a series of motions rolling to replace Dooku with Anakin. Of course the emporer sees all this..and has said that Anakin is the most gifted jedi he has ever seen.

Just a few thoughts rolling around in my head about the subject...

[Handothrawn]

I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but in AOTC when Anakin jumps off the speeder toward Zam, he is falling right toward rivers of lava connecting in one big pool, pause your DVD and look.

I think this is a forshadowing of the coming fall, only next time Zam won't fly by to catch him...

Lava Duel! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif

[Martini]

why would there be lava by the base of the skyscrappers? i dont think its lava then. probably just lights....and DAMN you guys look so much into these movies. i bet some of you have watched AOTC like 10 times already

[Justin]

I don't know what those red lights were, but they most definitely weren't lava. I seriously doubt that shot was made with the intention of foreshadowing Anakin's dip in the molten pool.

[James T. Skywalker]

Pablo Hidalgo at starwars.com said that they were the street lights far below, and he's a Lucasfilm employee.

And again, why on Coruscant would there be lava flowing around skyscrapers?

~JTS

[JediBendu]

why not? who knows how deep the city really goes.
granted it would suck if you fell off your speeder style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
The Imperial throan room in the original ROJ screenplay was surronded by lava. I'd say it's where the Obi/Anakin duel is going to take place.

[Phantomised Menace]

Maybe it was industrial district and the "lava" was really molten metal or something like that ? Well anyway I don't think it foreshadowed anything (the scene I mean....wow it rhymes style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif )

[Tovor]

Do you remember in TPM when you saw the area around the Jedi Temple at night, with the yellow light shining along the sides of the seperated sections? That was what you saw looking down at the seperations between the sections under the skyscrapers.
Look here at the landscape of structures to the horizon around the Jedi temple, and see the type of lights you saw looking down between the skyscrapers:
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[Clara]

Hmmm. Now lets take a look at my Avator shall we? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Darth Vegas]

I must say, sitting in the middle row, viewing the huge IMAX screen it sure looked like lava. Most likely, it has something to do with geothermal energy, since those power cuplings were pretty close to the surface.


The more I think about it, the more I am drawn to believe that the purge, followed by the duel of the century, will take place in the lower levels of Coruscant.

[Martini]

huh........at first i thought this thread was lame and just shows how some of us look too much into these movies.......but if you think about it, yea i bet the lava fight is in Corusant cuase after anakin gets beat, sidious will be right there anyway. its not like he can travel from one planet to another just to save him. this guy doesnt really move around lot from what we've seen

but i think only 1/2 of the "important" jedis will be killed before the duel, then we'll see suited vader kill of the rest (mace, kit, al..) after the duel. cause it would kinda make vader look like a wimp if he loses in the end

[Isomorph]

that makes very good sense folks.

[Javen]

I think your right Martini...Dohh! I can't believe I said that.

[Darth Vegas]

Except for the fact that Vader isn't going to kill all of the Jedi, and we aren't goin to see them all die, and oh, Kenobi was lucky when he defeated Maul, so will it be with Vader, and he won't look like wimp.

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[Javen]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Nov 15 2002, 11:14 AM
Except for the fact that Vader isn't going to kill all of the Jedi, and we aren't goin to see them all die, and oh, Kenobi was lucky when he defeated Maul, so will it be with Vader, and he won't look like wimp.

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I know, I just thought it be fun to say that.

[Darth Vegas]

It was quiet a shock!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[Martini]

i still dont see why u dont wanna see a suited vader kill at least one person. cause if we dont, then we might not believe that this guy is actually powerful in the OT. thats why id like to see him take on Mace and easily kill him

[Javen]

Why kill Mace easily? Mace is supposedly the second to Yoda he shoudldn't be killed easily at all. He should go out either byhimself surrounded or in a saber/force fight something.

[Darth Vegas]

i still dont see why u dont wanna see a suited vader kill at least one person. cause if we dont, then we might not believe that this guy is actually powerful in the OT.

And how would that be?

Is GL scretly developing some kinda brain ray to wipe out our memory opf the classic trilogy?

We've seen enough Vader, and seeing much of Vader in the suit, other than the very end, would distract from the things that Episode 3 needs to cover.

After Vader is injured and Obi-Wan, Yoda, the twins, and maybe or not Padme escape, the film is over. By that time the Empire has already won, and everything's happened that has to happen. Anything else would be totally seperate from the core movie, and that's why we're no going to see anything like that.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen@Nov 15 2002, 09:33 AM
Why kill Mace easily? Mace is supposedly the second to Yoda he shoudldn't be killed easily at all. He should go out either by himself surrounded or in a saber/force fight something.
Exactly Javen. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Mace is not going to go down easily, as GL and Sam he stated, he'll go down in glory, I bet he fights Vader (wthout he suit) and Sidious at the same time, as Sam and GL both hinted that he might do such a thing.

[Jedi D'oh]

Where did they hint that? Last I heard, the only thing said was it had to happen, but no details yet.

If suited Vader does not establish himself being a powerful person in III, someone seeing the saga for the first time would not understand why Vader is there, maybe even who he is. That is one thing that alot of you forget, too, I think is that these movies are one long story. Younger generations will see them I-VI, the way they are meant to be seen. It must be established that Vader is the guy you first see in IV and he was that powerful evil guy from the last movie.

Most of us here saw the OT before the new movies came out, but people like my son(who is 4) will be watching them in order so look at it from a big picture point of view.

[Darth Vegas]

I heard Sam say it on a TV interview. A friend told me about GL saying it too, though I really have no clue where he might have said that.

Sam just said that it is possible that he may die fighting two Sith Lords.



This just in:

In the commentary on the AOTC DVD GL says that Mace will die at the end of the Clone Wars, which we know will end with the last battle, at the beginning of Episode 3.

If suited Vader does not establish himself being a powerful person in III, someone seeing the saga for the first time would not understand why Vader is there, maybe even who he is.

It must be established that Vader is the guy you first see in IV and he was that powerful evil guy from the last movie.

It will be established that Vader is a powerful villian, before he gets the suit.

The name will more than like be associated with him before he wears the suit, so when we see the fully suited Vader at the end of the film, we will know just who that person is.

Besides, we never saw Vader in really serious action in the OT, there is no reason to do that now, especially since the Prequels are about how Anakin became Vader, not about seeing suited Vader in super mode.

People are not stupid. Eveyone know's who Vader is, and what he looks like, no one is going to be confused if we don't see him in action.

The name Vader will be associated with the character, before he gets the suit, and after, there will be no confusion.

The only confusion will come about, if after everything in Episode 3 that has to happen happens (purge, birth of twins, duel between Obi-Wan & Anakin, everyone that goes into hiding), and then for absolutely no reason, nothing that is congenial to the plot, or the overall story, we see Vader in action, when it has no attachment to the core of the film. Those are the kind of scenes that get cut, scenes that only distract from plot rather than adding to it.

[Javen]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Nov 15 2002, 12:38 PM
After Vader is injured and Obi-Wan, Yoda, the twins, and maybe or not Padme escape, the film is over. By that time the Empire has already won, and everything's happened that has to happen. Anything else would be totally seperate from the core movie, and that's why we're no going to see anything like that.
Your right, thats how it should end right there and thats perfect enough no less and no more.

[Tovor]

Wow, talk about a thread going way off topic.
Did anybody check the link I provided, and look closely at Clara's avatar? That's not lava, it's lights that illuminate the streets between the large and wide raised sections.

[JediBendu]

you never know - Coruscant needs energy for the trillions who inhabit it. Micro-cold-fission reactors aside, geothermal energy would be in abundance.
Considering the planet's oceans are already drained so they'd already be close to the magma underneath (Naboo's hollow interior I'll ignore style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ).
All that would be needed would be a super dense transparent polymer to 'cap' the lava flow, which would enable the tapping of the thermal energy and also give off a red/yellow glow which would permeate up through the city's towers.

...or something

[Handothrawn]

See, guys, a Mod said I was right, and mods are never wrong.

[JediBendu]

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[Javen]

Originally posted by handothrawn@Nov 16 2002, 09:00 AM
See, guys, a Mod said I was right, and mods are never wrong.
oh brother...

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Tovor@Nov 15 2002, 04:28 PM
Wow, talk about a thread going way off topic.
Did anybody check the link I provided, and look closely at Clara's avatar? That's not lava, it's lights that illuminate the streets between the large and wide raised sections.
Actually Tovor, if you look really close when Zam leads the Jedi into the power cupplings, you can see that glowing stuff flowing right near by, epecially on the imax screen. Giving credibility to my Geothermal Energy theory.

[SithWitch]

Originally posted by Martini@Nov 14 2002, 09:54 AM
i bet some of you have watched AOTC like 10 times already
TEN? Yes, back in MAY!
It must be 110 by now.
The Dark Side compels us...

[DblDwn]

Last night I went to an IMAX showing of AOTC and one of the things I tried to take advantage of with the larger format was the issue of this thread. At some points it looked as if they were just lights down below, but in a couple of shots it looked to me as if the substance in question was flowing like a river or stream.

So I'm not sure if they were lights or if it was some other heated substance, but, if it is lava or something to that effect, then it does make for an interesting lead into Episode III.

Oh and Martini, let's see that was 6 times in the theater, twice on a bootleg PC download, once thus far on DVD and then the IMAX showing. So that was my tenth viewing last night. I figure if I am going to argue and debate with everyone on this site then I can never be too well informed.

[Angel_Blue]

They looked like a bunch of lights close together to me, a little boring but the truth always is a bummer isn't it.

[Darth Vegas]

No it doesn't look like lights, as I said before when the chasegoes ino the power cupplings you can clearly see magmaor molten metal flowing nearby.

[Darth Barrister]

Bond. I was looking back at the archives and thought this topic was better than the ones going on now. so I am going to "bump" it up and see what opinions you get.

[Darth Vegas]

Well thank you, this was the first thread I started here, a very early theory I had about the final duel.

I still kind of like the idea. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Obi-Stu]

It all happens like this towards the end of the film


So the Jedi ignore Anakins relationship with Padme, and let him stay in the Jedi order.

[Darth Vegas]

Well, like I said, this was early speculation, I don't really think it going to happen exactly like this anymore.

However, I don't think he'll be expelled, the most recent sw.com Homing Beacon newsletter seems to say he won't, concept artist Ian Mcgaid talked about the script and said that Anakin won't have a long transition to Darth Vader, there's a key scene where he makes the decision.

Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Mace already know about Anakin's attachment to Padme, Yoda and Obi-Wan know that it's gone even further, Padme and Anakin kissed right in front of them in the Geonosis hanger. So I take it they just weren't giving Mace the details at the end of the film as to what Anakin was doing.

Obi-Wan states in Return of the Jedi something that backs up the fact that he knew about the relationship, he said "The Emporer knew as I did, if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him." Obi-Wan wouldn't have thought such thing if he didn't know about the relationship, which he does, he's no fool, he's probably the closet person to Anakin.

[Ewok Hater]

Just my opinion, but I don't think the Sith, (Dooku or Palpatine), are going to lie to Anakin in order to turn him to the dark side. In fact, the Sith seem to be the most bluntly honest people in the movies. Dooku practically tells Obi Wan that Sidious is Palpatine is controlling the Republic in AOTC. In ESB, Vader tells Luke that, "I am your father". It seems the Sith know that the truth hurts more than lies.

The Jedi on the other hand like to keep their hand "hidden" and resort to "certain points of view". Yoda & Mace routinely in TPM & AOTC give each other looks & have dialogue that shows they know more than they're revealing to anyone else. In ANH, Obi Wan tells Luke that Vader betrayed & murdered his father. Only later in ROTJ, Obi Wan tell Luke what really happened.

I see a scene in Episode III where Dooku is confronting Palpatine & then Anakin, perhaps acting as Palpatine's bodyguard or protector, fights Dooku to protect him. During the fight, Palpatine prods & goads Anakin into defeating Dooku by using his aggression and playing to his fears, ("your friends will die unless Dooku is killed".) In the end, Anakin disarms Dooku just as Obi Wan & the other Jedi enter Palpy's office. With Obi Wan & Yoda looking on & telling Anakin to, "Stop. Defeated Dooku did you. Now, into custody and trial, he shall stand." Palpy will want Anakin to kill Dooku to complete his transformation & with Palpatine's "guidance", Anakin will kill a defenseless Dooku.

[jbird669]

TK, I like to think that sindce GL said Anakin will face similar tests as Luke, just make different decisions, I like to think that he will take out Dooku, and Palpatine is in the bg saying that "Dooku took your arm. He almost took your life. Take his and become the most powerful Jedi ever!" And Anakin, looks at his gloved right hand the same way Luke did in ROTJ, and instead of saying "Whoa, I'm going to turn into Vader, Anakin says "Oh hell yeah, power, here I come!" And slashes him in half. That way it Rhymes/mirrors/resembles the OT.

[Darth Vegas]

I kinda agree with that, I don't think it will be a complete mirror of the scene in Return of the Jedi, but it will be similar, no doubt about it.

Like I said before, this was really early speculation, almost a year old now.

[Jedi Killer]

lucas did say similar situations, different choices. this is the best one i can think of that resembles the OT

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Ewok Hater@Jun 6 2003, 07:28 PM
In fact, the Sith seem to be the most bluntly honest people in the movies.
The Sith honest? Since when?

"Lies, deceit, creating mistrusts are his ways now." - Yoda

It seems the Sith know that the truth hurts more than lies.

The truth ain't gonna get Anakin to join the Dark Side, the truth will get him to kick Sidious' ass.

Telling him that the Jedi are really the bad guys, that they hate him, that Padme hates him, and that he'll be better off and he'll have the power to get rid of those pesky Jedi once and for all will turn him to the Dark Side, Anakin is obviously convinced into thinking the Dark Side is a better way of life.

[Jedi Killer]

Originally posted by TK-007@Jun 9 2003, 03:51 PM
Anakin is obviously convinced into thinking the Dark Side is a better way of life.
what about Yoda or Obi-wan saying that the Dark Side is the faster and easier path to choose? I think that we need to see this in EP3.

[Darth Vegas]

That the Dark Side is going to give him more power faster than the light side will? They don't need to really stress that point, it's already been made. We simply need to see Anakin's fall in action.

[Javen]

I don't believe it will be just whether it's faster or easier path.But the fact that Anakin cannot handle change.

Change is a big part to his downfall.He will have to choose something that will change his course until ROTJ, when he again was forced to choose. To SAVE Luke or kill Luke.

[Zane Marit]

I have written a fan fic of these events...Its in the Coruscant Theater and the title is The Las Apprentice...give it a read.

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[darth kelly]

anakin will fight dooku in the movie if mr lee does not die before filming hes in his 80s style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by darth kelly@Jun 9 2003, 06:55 PM
anakin will fight dooku in the movie if mr lee does not die before filming hes in his 80s style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif
DK you are such an optimist

[Javen]

Originally posted by darth kelly@Jun 9 2003, 08:55 PM
anakin will fight dooku in the movie if mr lee does not die before filming hes in his 80s style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif
He barely even fought in EPII. Mostly a stunt guy, so I don't think Mr. Lee will be to overstrained.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen@Jun 9 2003, 01:15 PM
I don't believe it will be just whether it's faster or easier path.But the fact that Anakin cannot handle change.

Change is a big part to his downfall.He will have to choose something that will change his course until ROTJ, when he again was forced to choose. To SAVE Luke or kill Luke.
Bravo Javen, Bravo! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by darth kelly@Jun 9 2003, 05:55 PM
anakin will fight dooku in the movie if mr lee does not die before filming hes in his 80s style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif
Well filming starts this week and Mr. Lee looks like he's in pretty damn good shape for somebody his age, the guys survived all the pickups for Return of the King, I think he'll survive the little parts of the duel that are actually him and not his stunt double.

[Jedi Killer]

Obviously we'll see a Dooku lightsaber scene. This is just about definately (even though GL didnt say so for some of you a$$-kissers out there style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ) But I really hope to see him and hopefully a suited Vader trash talk their opponents like in the OT

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

Originally posted by Jedi Master Shaft@Aug 14 2002, 09:15 AM


George Lucas said that the scene where Anakin Skywalker will turn to the Dark Side in Episode III will be in the vocabulary of the films of the 40s/50s. Strange, indeed.


Ever since I heard that, I have only been able to come up with one idea......



".......IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!".....from Frankenstein......


I guess (if the time period is even correct) we could see the transformation made while Sidious revamps a battered and burnt Anakin into Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith.......


There was that, and then ".....What hump?" from Young Frankenstein...... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif

[Darth Vegas]

I don't think he was referring to when he gets injured and is put in the suit, he was referring to the scene in the movie where Anakin turns to the Dark Side.

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

I know....it could take place at the same time. Fighting with Obi-wan doesnt have to constitute turning to the Dark Side, he could actually make the choice well after the fact. I guess this would be a similar idea as "The Emperor made me do it" theory where Anakin is tricked into it.......or maybe just talked into it...... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by NIGHTTRAVELER@Jun 10 2003, 10:38 AM
Fighting with Obi-wan doesnt have to constitute turning to the Dark Side
I think it does. A good Jedi doesn't fight their Master in a duel to the death.

I agree that we'll see Anakin rebuilt and everything and it will be something like Frankenstein's monster, I just don't think that Lucas' was commenting on that scene, but the scene where Anakin turns to the Dark Side, the suit, cape and helmet are not what makes him Darth Vader.

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

I understand your point, but what I'm saying is that after Obi-wan and Anakin duke it out, and assuming (never) that the old tail of Palpy rescueing him from the lava is true, that Anakins on screen embrace of the Dark Side could come during the scene were he is rebuilt.

I guess what Im trying to say is that Anakin doesn't have to say "I have joined the Dark Side", while fighting with Obi. I think the fight between the two will be one of, if not the final step toward the Dark Side, but he may not proclaim himself a Sith until after his "rebirth". I dont think Anakin is "trying" to become a Sith, he will genuinely be pissed at Obi, and the Jedi Order.

[Darth Vegas]

I don't agree, mainly because we need to see part of the Jedi Purge in this movie, and at the same time Anakin and Obi-Wan's duel HAS to be the climax of the movie, it has to be the final duel, the last action sequence.

The idea of Anakin just getting pissed and fighting Obi-Wan just doens't work for me, it's too weak, to cheesy, to much like a young teenager fighting with his parents.

GL is obviously setting up for Anakin to side with Palpatine and his new order and for Palpatine to tempt Anakin to the Dark Side, hence the friendship between Anakin and Palpatine and Anakin's line about the Republic needing someone to make them do things right, the Empire will probably be in place prior to the duel.

Besides, he really needs to fight Dooku again, it would just be prudent, have him kill Dooku and take his place at Sidious' side, so it's logical to assume Anakin will take on the name Darth Vader before getting the suit.

GL said that in Episode 3 Anakin is going to go through the same thing Luke did in Return of the Jedi, only the outcome will be different, I take that to mean that the very scene where Anakin turns will mirror Return of the Jedi, Anakin dueling Dooku in front of Sidious.

[Jedi Killer]

I don't agree, mainly because we need to see part of the Jedi Purge in this movie, and at the same time Anakin and Obi-Wan's duel HAS to be the climax of the movie, it has to be the final duel, the last action sequence.

Totally agree with you Bond, but dont you think we need to see and hear Vader in the scene following this one?

[Darth Vegas]

After the duel? Not the VERY next scene (obviously).

[bluemilk]

Well my theory is that Anakin believes Padme is dead. She disappears and is pregnant with the twins (most like Organa sneaking her off to Alderaan). Either he did something to her or there was an accident.

Something terrible then happens to Anakin to the point where he almost dies and that is the reason for his Darth Vader suit and mask. I believe in Shadows of the Empire that Vader is sustained by the dark side of the force within the costume but when he's out of it, he feels the good in him returning and that forces him back into suit and circular chamber he sits in.

It's been awhile since I've read the book so correct me if I'm wrong style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Well, keep in mind that book is EU not GL.

[bluemilk]

Originally posted by TK-007@Jun 10 2003, 03:51 PM
Well, keep in mind that book is EU not GL.
aye true enough but what I'm getting at is something in Ep III will have to happen to Anakin that's so terrible he's forced to live inside the suit. Also, since he doesn't know he has children then he has to believe that Padme is dead. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Darth Vegas]

If that's the case then I think he'll see one of her decoys bite the dust.

[Jedi Killer]

After the duel? Not the VERY next scene (obviously).

I dont follow. from what you've written, you said Vader will lead the stromtroopers against Obi-Wan and the rest of the Jedis in the Temple. So here we will hear and see Vader. and after the duel, we'll just see Vader being built (sorta) and being informed by the emporer

[Darth Vegas]

If you're referring to Vader, like OT Vader, we won't see him like that until the end of the movie.

I was merely suggesting that he'll wear armor and a mask during the Jedi Purge, not that he would wear the suit and THE mask for the hell of it.

[Jedi Killer]

i know i know, you think he'll have some type of Vader-samuri look to him. but it make only sense for him to look somewhat like he did in the OT but without the lifesupport (ie, the electronics on the front of him)

[Darth Vegas]

Definately similar, but not exactly the same, compare it to the different between Clonetroopers and stromtroopers, very similar, obviously the same group of people, but not the same, things change in time.

[Jedi Killer]

Right, i agree on that. sorta, doesnt make sense for Vader to make small changes to his mask. they were barely noticeable to the normal watcher of the OT.

Bond, you do think he'll sound like JEJ with this "similar mask" on before the duel?

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Jedi Killer@Jun 10 2003, 04:15 PM
Bond, you do think he'll sound like JEJ with this "similar mask" on before the duel?
No I don't think he's going to talk at all at that time.

doesnt make sense for Vader to make small changes to his mask. they were barely noticeable to the normal watcher of the OT.

It doesn't make a sense for someone to not change their clothes for 18 years.

[Jedi Killer]

"He's more machine now then man." (i dont think he changed much over the years for that reason and he sure looked mostly the same in the OT)

[Jedi Killer]

QUOTE (Jedi Killer @ Jun 10 2003, 04:15 PM)
Bond, you do think he'll sound like JEJ with this "similar mask" on before the duel?

No I don't think he's going to talk at all at that time.

Eh, never know. I personally think he will cause of what JEJ has recorded (5 mins). and it would be better if he had a different voice in that mask to hide his identity moreso

[Darth Vegas]

JEJ hasn't recording anything yet, that was a rumor, and he isn't going to be recording 5 minutes of dialogue, that's more dialogue than he had in ANH.

[Jedi Killer]

Lucas and JEJ said they did some recording before the PT. and I think they will bring back the voice. and he needs the voice to disguise himself before the duel (if this does happen)

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Jedi Killer@Jun 10 2003, 04:34 PM
Lucas and JEJ said they did some recording before the PT.
Yes they did it's called The Star Wars Trilogy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

JEJ said that he was going to do some recording for Episode 3, he hasn't recorded it yet.

[Jedi Killer]

ever think that maybe it HAS been recorded but GL just doesnt give a crap to tell the nerd boys here?

[Darth Vegas]

Why would he do that?

[Jedi Killer]

why wouldnt he?

[Darth Vegas]

Well mostly because the script isn't even finished yet, and because he's busy with other things. He wouldn't go out of his way to record JEJ's voice, he'll do it when the time comes, in post-production.

[Jedi Killer]

but GL or RM said they recorded some stuff from JEJ just in case he died before post-production. and since when did u make the rules on whats to be done with the info about these prequels info before they are released?

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Jedi Killer@Jun 10 2003, 05:20 PM
but GL or RM said they recorded some stuff from JEJ just in case he died before post-production?
No they did not that was a rumor. JEJ himself just recently said at a convention that he was going to be doing some supplying the voice of Vader again, he has yet to record anything, they havn't even filmed the movie yet, the script isn't even completed, sound comes last.

[darth kelly]

Originally posted by DblDwn+Jun 9 2003, 10:42 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DblDwn @ Jun 9 2003, 10:42 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-darth kelly@Jun 9 2003, 06:55 PM
anakin will fight dooku in the movie if mr lee does not die before filming hes in his 80s style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif
DK you are such an optimist [/b][/quote]
thanks double d i try my best style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif

[darth kelly]

there will be a lava pit he will fall anakin wins most of the fight with obi won and obi gets lucky at the end like always style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif

[maddog62]

Originally posted by darth kelly@Jun 11 2003, 02:18 AM
there will be a lava pit he will fall anakin wins most of the fight with obi won and obi gets lucky at the end like always style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif
Did he get lucky at the end of ANH?

[darth kelly]

in a way he did he knew how to come back in spirit which we will learn how he did in ep3 but he did not defeat vader with a saber style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif

[jbird669]

The EU argument is no longer relevant TK, since EU elements have been in the films and Pablo Hidalgo has stated that an EU character in Episode III, so now the EU is GL.

[Mann]

Only one real EU thing has been in the films, all other have been refuted as to coming after the films were released.

Pablo Hidalgo, hwo is this guy and how reliable is he?

[darth kelly]

i dont get what your saying 669 i was just giving info and lucas pretty much doesnt agree with eu he may borrow a charater but its all about the 6 movies which will be realized when the dvds of the ot come out after ep3 and he will alter things in the ot to make every thing fit and in 2017 he will redo the ot with all computer animation style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/joystick.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[maddog62]

Originally posted by darth kelly@Jun 12 2003, 01:29 AM
i dont get what your saying 669 i was just giving info and lucas pretty much doesnt agree with eu he may borrow a charater but its all about the 6 movies which will be realized when the dvds of the ot come out after ep3 and he will alter things in the ot to make every thing fit and in 2017 he will redo the ot with all computer animation style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/joystick.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif
My source tells me in 2020 he will remake the whole damb thing using clay.

[darth kelly]

are you a marine m62 very disiplined people ever try for seals style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[maddog62]

Originally posted by darth kelly@Jun 12 2003, 03:18 AM
are you a marine m62 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif very disiplined people ever try for seals
Marine yes 1995 to 1999
Navy Seal no but respect them much
now a Correction Officer

[darth kelly]

imsorry to bring this up on a starwars site but if you wanted to could you have gone to iraq in 2003 is that possible

[maddog62]

If they needed me

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by maddog62+Jun 11 2003, 08:12 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(maddog62 @ Jun 11 2003, 08:12 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-darth kelly@Jun 12 2003, 01:29 AM
i dont get what your saying 669 i was just giving info and lucas pretty much doesnt agree with eu he may borrow a charater but its all about the 6 movies which will be realized when the dvds of the ot come out after ep3 and he will alter things in the ot to make every thing fit and in 2017 he will redo the ot with all computer animation style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/joystick.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/duel.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif
My source tells me in 2020 he will remake the whole damb thing using clay. [/b][/quote]
ROTFLMFAO

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[jbird669]

Actually Mann there are two things, and some can argue three with Aurra Sing, is Coruscant and Aaayla Secura. Now with Pablo Hidalgo saying there will be another one, that makes 3 (or 4 with Sing). So to me, the fact that for each prequesl he puts an EU element in doesn't make it something he ignores. After all, come 2005 all we will have in the Star Wars Universe is the EU, so you might as well come to accept it.

[Jedi Killer]

After all, come 2005 all we will have in the Star Wars Universe is the EU, so you might as well come to accept it.

That is the saddest thing I've ever heard..........I think I have to throw up now.......

[jbird669]

Sorry to hear that Killer, I personally enjoy the EU.

[Zane Marit]

I enjoy most of the EU but I can understand Killers pain...I have read or I guess I should say started some of the SW books and some were so horrible I could not finish them. I swear I can do better than some of these authors...Hell I even wrote something and I think it came out better that some of those books.

I guess the good thing about the EU is that there are many periods of time stories can be written in...past present and future.


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[Senator_Cilghal]

Many have mentioned the pic of lava of Coruscant on AOTC. Could someone post this?

[James T. Skywalker]

It's the lights of the undercity; the Ask the Council at starwars.com confirmed this a while ago.

~JTS

[JediBendu]

oops
sorry to close this before I posted the pic
as far as I know this is the only shot of lava on the Imperial City (courtesy of T-bone -->here<-- (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/cut_scenes/ep6/throne_room.htm)

JTS - you're one of the most knowledgable SW gurus around - is there any other mention ANYWHERE of lava in the SW universe?

[Javen]

^And to go with that pic it says this...

"The Emperor was going to be in a cave surrounded by lava. The throne room was down in the lower levels of what turns out to be the Empire's headquarters planet. I imagined it to be dark and spooky with enormous buildings and a metal surface and, down below, huge avenues like on Wall Street in Manhattan. George stated that he wanted a planet that was a city with endless built-up areas. In my mind it was built a thousand years ago, layer after layer. The Emperor's office would be at the bottom of it, so far down that you would have lava."


Notice it says WAS going to be

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by JediBendu@Aug 1 2003, 08:42 AM
JTS - you're one of the most knowledgable SW gurus around - is there any other mention ANYWHERE of lava in the SW universe?
Well, there are volcanic planets in the SW galaxy (Sullust, for example, where the Rebel Alliance organized before Endor)...

But all the info on Coruscant says that there is no lava in the lower levels.

~JTS

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Javen@Aug 1 2003, 10:02 AM
Notice it says WAS going to be
But Lucas does like to take old ideas off the back burner and throw them into the mix from time to time.

[Javen]

Originally posted by DblDwn+Aug 1 2003, 02:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DblDwn @ Aug 1 2003, 02:03 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Javen@Aug 1 2003, 10:02 AM
Notice it says WAS going to be
But Lucas does like to take old ideas off the back burner and throw them into the mix from time to time. [/b][/quote]
I liked how you used the word BURNER. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Angel_Blue]

Yeah I'v noticed a few small things he's used that he didn't use in,say, for instence, the second draft of Star Wars. I think the Lava will have something to do with courascant. Probably the industrial area where Sids base of ops is.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by JamesTSkywalker@Aug 1 2003, 07:45 AM
It's the lights of the undercity; the Ask the Council at starwars.com confirmed this a while ago.

~JTS
I doubt that answer came from Lucas anymore than the answer as to why Chewie didn't get a metal in the old Bantha Tracks did (the answer was that wookiees don't like getting metals).

I don't buy it, lights at the bottom of the city (for apparantly no reason) in what looks like a canyon, on a planet that has been designed from the beginning to have certain locals surrounded by lava?

Yeah right.

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 2 2003, 05:04 AM
I don't buy it, lights at the bottom of the city (for apparantly no reason) in what looks like a canyon, on a planet that has been designed from the beginning to have certain locals surrounded by lava?

Yeah right.
Coruscant was never designed to have certain locations surrounded by lava.

Had Abbadon was designed that way. Had Abbadon, and the Emperor and Dark Prince, Cos Da****, were supposed to be very menacing with a lava palace and all that.

But Coruscant was never designed that way. It would make ALL of the EU materials about Coruscant incorrect, which is something that the continuity experts over at LFL would be telling George about the first day on the set. George tries to work around the EU when he can, and he will never blatently contradict every written source material on a planet he didn't have a full hand in creating.

Remember that Coruscant was planned around two different designs from the Original Trilogy: originally, Alderaan was to be the capital world, and it was going to be a city in the clouds. Then Had Abbadon came along, and it was going to be a giant lava planet, not a big city-planet.

Obviously Bendu would know more about the early-draft stuff than I would, but the development of Coruscant has changed: no more lava.

Plus, I know LFL staffers, including one on-set: no lava on Coruscant.

~JTS

[Senator_Cilghal]

I doubt we'll see Coruscant lava, but if the OB1/Ani fight is on Coruscant, perhaps something molten in "the Wastes" would serve the same purpose.

[Balzuh]

Folks,

What if the lava is actually molten metal?

When Dooku returns to Sidious on Coruscant, he flies into that industrial area and they meet up at the abandoned factory. A recent article in the Insider tells us that the factory is called Dachau where hundreds were killed in a factory accident (kind of like Dachow, were thousands of people were put to death by the Nazis). It could possibly be that it's kind of like a "Sith Hangout". Maybe Sid trained Dooku there to be a Sith or something. Maybe it's their "batcave". Could be anything. But if it is a place for the Sith to get together, and there's still some type of "factory activity" going on there, it might make a great place for Ani to fall into something molten (melted metal, burning fuel, heated furnace...) and be scarred for life.


Just a thought....

[Tegarend]

Yeah, rather than introducing another new planet (in addition to Alderaan ..), and giving all the problems of getting Obi & Ani/Vader there (and possible also Palpatine or Dooku or Mace or however Anakin turns), it would be a lot more convinient to have the Obi-Vader fight on Coruscant. There are some pointers in AotC (like the industrial sector they chase Zam through) to give this idea some credit.

[JediBendu]

I would tend to agree - there's never been any mention of molten lava, rather, it's a molten pit that Anakin falls into.

Good pick up on Dachow - hadn't considered that style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif If there were an incident where hundreds were killed, it would be a great place to focus dark side energies.

...and welcome to the Senate Balzuh style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Balzuh]

Thanks for the welcome Jedi Bendu. I was thinking how neat it would be if Obi tracked down Ani to Dachau (being the detective that he is) and their fight ensues from there. In AOTC, that factory looks HUGE, so there could be ALL KINDS of room for a fantastic battle!

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by JamesTSkywalker@Aug 2 2003, 08:51 AM
Coruscant was never designed to have certain locations surrounded by lava.

Had Abbadon was designed that way.
The city-planet, capital of the Empire, was designed to have those locals no matter what you call it, the only thing used in the film from the EU was the name, the designs are purely based off of Ralph Mcquarrie's original concepts for the planet which was to be an important location in ROTJ.

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by TK-007+Aug 5 2003, 03:27 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Aug 5 2003, 03:27 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> the designs are purely based off of Ralph Mcquarrie's original concepts for the planet which was to be an important location in ROTJ. [/b]
agreed - but the throne room was situated deep underground - do you think GL would still use that concept in ep3? Wouldn't the Emperor like to gloat for a while and set up camp in the Jedi Temple? Only after a decade or so of tyranical rule would he think the move is home into the bowells of the city.

<!--QuoteBegin-Balzuh@ Aug 3 2003, 08:52 AM
I was thinking how neat it would be if Obi tracked down Ani to Dachau (being the detective that he is) and their fight ensues from there.[/quote]

I think it would work better if Obi was tracking down Dooku and just happened to find Anakin there at the same time.
But I also think the Obi/Anakin duel will come as a result of Ankain tracking Obi down to have a chat with is [supposed] affair with Padme

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by JediBendu+Aug 4 2003, 10:02 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JediBendu @ Aug 4 2003, 10:02 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Aug 5 2003, 03:27 AM
the designs are purely based off of Ralph Mcquarrie's original concepts for the planet which was to be an important location in ROTJ.
agreed - but the throne room was situated deep underground - do you think GL would still use that concept in ep3? Wouldn't the Emperor like to gloat for a while and set up camp in the Jedi Temple? Only after a decade or so of tyranical rule would he think the move is home into the bowells of the city. [/b][/quote]
I think an interpretation of that set (minus Palpy who I believe will be seen in the fight between Anakin and Dooku) will exsist during the Obi-Wan/Vader duel as part of Palpy's hideout in the 'Had-Abbandoned' section of Coruscant, and that the Jedi Temple will either be destroyed or remoddeled, or will just sit partially in ruins by the end of the film.

[JediBendu]

I'd say completely destroyed.

"The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away" - tarkin, anh

[Darth Vegas]

Ooo, good point, that pretty much settles it then.

[Javen]

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 5 2003, 03:02 AM
Ooo, good point, that pretty much settles it then.
Settles what? That what you say is fact? Don't think so.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by JediBendu@Aug 5 2003, 01:02 AM
.....Wouldn't the Emperor like to gloat for a while and set up camp in the Jedi Temple?.....
This idea is very similar to the belief in some sectors of Christianity that when the Antichrist comes to power his desecration of the rebuilt Jewish Temple in Jerusalem will include setting up his throne there.

[JediBendu]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif
...and we know how GL loves to use a good religious story style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Erick Landrider]

I just had an idea, not really anything, but an interesting possibility.

If Palpatine is held up in a molten factory which could have lines through out Coruscant, could he use that to destroy the Jedi Temple, either by sending Storm Troopers through the pipes, and flushing up motlen through the pipes.

Regardless, I still like the idea of Palpatine having a hellish, Mordor-like throne room.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen+Aug 5 2003, 04:55 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Javen @ Aug 5 2003, 04:55 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Aug 5 2003, 03:02 AM
Ooo, good point, that pretty much settles it then.
Settles what? That what you say is fact? Don't think so. [/b][/quote]
How bout' you read a little closer and lighten up. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by Erick Landrider@Aug 5 2003, 06:57 PM
I just had an idea, not really anything, but an interesting possibility.

If Palpatine is held up in a molten factory which could have lines through out Coruscant, could he use that to destroy the Jedi Temple, either by sending Storm Troopers through the pipes, and flushing up motlen through the pipes.

Regardless, I still like the idea of Palpatine having a hellish, Mordor-like throne room.
I'd say the logistics of diverting lava up from the bowells of Corscant to destroy the Temple would outweight the simplicity of low orbit bombardment.
Plus we'd get to see great swaths of the city being destroyed.

not too sure about the underground throne room anymore - it just wouldn't fit with the overall saga, esp as early as ep3. The throne in roj was designed for him to gloat as he watched the planets destroyed (it was in fact initially designed to be outside the DS itself) - he's a man of arrogance when he's in power, not paranoia

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by JediBendu@Aug 5 2003, 09:36 PM
he's a man of arrogance when he's in power, not paranoia
Despite that, his true identity is still hidden to most everyone, save a few.

[JediBendu]

I think a millenium of secrecy will do that to a guy style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
but when all is revealed he'd revel in the power that comes with the job - hence he keeps his Sith regalia even when he's known as the emperor - there's even a statue of him on coruscant that has him in the cloak.

[Darth Vegas]

True but he is just now becoming Emperor in Episode 3.

[JediBendu]

good point, but if I were him I'd be dancing butt naked in the streets, rather than going straight away done the bowells.
although, if he's already set up something underground in the abandoned factory district, he may have grown to like it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Darth Vegas]

"The Emporer's coming here?!"

Note the suprise and tention in his voice, as if the Emperor rarely leaves the city-planet, the prologue to the ANH novel states something to the effect of Palpy' locking himself away and he would no longer here the cries of the people, or something like that. Seems like the Emperor likes his hang-out.

[Erick Landrider]

Originally posted by JediBendu+Aug 6 2003, 12:36 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JediBendu @ Aug 6 2003, 12:36 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Erick Landrider@Aug 5 2003, 06:57 PM
I just had an idea, not really anything, but an interesting possibility.

If Palpatine is held up in a molten factory which could have lines through out Coruscant, could he use that to destroy the Jedi Temple, either by sending Storm Troopers through the pipes, and flushing up motlen through the pipes.

Regardless, I still like the idea of Palpatine having a hellish, Mordor-like throne room.
I'd say the logistics of diverting lava up from the bowells of Corscant to destroy the Temple would outweight the simplicity of low orbit bombardment.
Plus we'd get to see great swaths of the city being destroyed.

not too sure about the underground throne room anymore - it just wouldn't fit with the overall saga, esp as early as ep3. The throne in roj was designed for him to gloat as he watched the planets destroyed (it was in fact initially designed to be outside the DS itself) - he's a man of arrogance when he's in power, not paranoia [/b][/quote]
I know. Like I said, just an idea.

But I still like Palpatine having a makeshift, throne room in the factory.

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by Erick Landrider@Aug 6 2003, 05:48 PM

I know. Like I said, just an idea.

But I still like Palpatine having a makeshift, throne room in the factory.
maybe a Sith ritualistic style chamber?

hyperspace's web cam has been tracking the building of a pretty large set, which I thought was going to be some sort of political forum, maybe on Alderaan - could be Palpy's lare

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 6 2003, 07:47 AM
"The Emporer's coming here?!"

Note the suprise and tention in his voice, as if the Emperor rarely leaves the city-planet, the prologue to the ANH novel states something to the effect of Palpy' locking himself away and he would no longer here the cries of the people, or something like that. Seems like the Emperor likes his hang-out.
true, but he needs to establish himself as a strong leader before he can build the Empire - that requires a presence (at least to he military commanders) not a cowering paranoid old git style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Erick Landrider]

Originally posted by JediBendu@Aug 7 2003, 12:53 AM
true, but he needs to establish himself as a strong leader before he can build the Empire - that requires a presence (at least to he military commanders) not a cowering paranoid old git style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Well keep in mind that a powerful dictator can be paranoid as well.

Stalin once killed some thirty or so of his highest ranking military officers, out of simple paranoina that they might attempt to over throw him.

I'm not expecting anything like that, but Palpatine could lock himself away in a giant tower,people decreeing people to death as a part of a days work, and not thinking about the loss of life, in the least.

[Handothrawn]

I don't subscribe to hyperspace(blasphemy!) but I do read the little columns that O-B-Gates does, and earlier I saw one that said the Anakin/Obi duel takes place inside the Temple...So my idea is this, you know the lava we get to see in the Chase from AOTC, well I think Anakin gets Force-nudged or falls or something from the roof or out a window, and falls into that lava.

[Jacen Solo]

I don't think that was lava we saw in AOTC; they were just city lights ... but I could be wrong. It is likely that the duel would take place in the Temple, but that would obviously place the duel before the destruction of the Temple.

[mace]

Or maybe it's during the destruction of the temple. In case you haven't noticed, a recurring theme for GL is to flash between more than one battle taking place at the same time. Maybe this time it will be Anakin and Obiwan dueling in/around the Jedi temple while some other battle is also taking place. The other, larger battle could be where the Jedi and Temple are destroyed - but when the Obiwan/Anakin duel heads to the Coruscant underground, Obiwan is spared the fate of the rest of the Jedi.

[Frendon]

Hmmm, I agree that it could occur while the temple is being destroyed, Pablo said that there was a flashing red light in one of the duel sets and that a horn sound may be added later, that sounds like an alarm that would sound while the building is being attacked and destroyed.

[BEARlyworking]

Originally posted by Luuke_Skywalker@Sep 9 2003, 09:41 PM
I don't think that was lava we saw in AOTC; they were just city lights ...
I think you could be right...

The photos of the "lava" in AOTC look exactly like some night photos of large US cities. Could go either way...

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by BEARlyworking@Sep 10 2003, 01:29 PM
The photos of the "lava" in AOTC look exactly like some night photos of large US cities.
I bed to differ, you don't find lights at the bottom of cities in what looks to be a canyon of some type, definately lava, but also it seems most likely that it's not the site of THE duel, you guys that don't ahve Hyperspace need to get it, or at least check out the Hyperspace diaries/celeb chats thread here.

Oh BTW, click here (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=292315).

[Siamese Sith]

How do you do it Bond? The same threads sprouting up time and again....
I too once thought it was city lights, but upon closer examination it is indeed molten magma.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah I know *cough searchfunction cough*

[Javen]

Actually, you're all wrong. It won't happen on Coruscant or near lava at all. It happens on serveral sets and bluescreens.

Anyway, I find it odd Bond that now all of a sudden when you were so dead set on this duel happening in Coruscant and now you say it doesn't.

[Darth Vegas]

I said nothing of the sort Javen, I've merely said it as a probability.

And BTW, it's VERY clear if you've actually been reading the set diaries and chats (which I'm sure you ahve Javen ol' buddy) regarding the duel that lava is involved, what with Lucas knowing exactly the sort of enviroment he wanted for the duel and all, he's known for 30 years, not to mention the numerous times Pabs has pointed out the reddish glow around the duel, a blood red glow at that, Anakin and Obi dodging obstacles the set crumbling down, our heroes swinging on cables...

[Darth Vegas]

And also, Javen, you're always wrong. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Javen]

Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 10 2003, 09:46 PM
I said nothing of the sort Javen, I've merely said it as a probability.

And BTW, it's VERY clear if you've actually been reading the set diaries and chats regarding the duel that lava is involved, what with Lucas knowing exactly the sort of enviroment he wanted for the duel and all, he's known for 30 years, not to mention the numerous times Pabs has pointed out the reddish glow around the duel, a blood red glow at that, Anakin and Obi dodging obstacles the set crumbling down, our heroes swinging on cables...
I, uh, didn't say lava wasn't involved. I obviously read it and see between the lines. But, of course I know nothing, so, you know.

[Darth Vegas]

Of course you are... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Ok I was joking, you knew that right....? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

[Siamese Sith]

Ok lava is like REALLY hot! I think if the slightest bit were to touch my body I'd scream like Ruby Rod from the Fith Element. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Anyway Mr Christiansen please scream like a beyatch when your numbers up! And make it good and believable! Don't try and be a tough guy, padme will really love to see your more femine side style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Ali Arikan]

I think it is fair to say that the final duel does not take place in a lava planet or on the hills of a giant volcano but instead in an industrial plant of sorts. It is also fairly obvious that there seems to be some sort of a disaster happening; maybe the core is exploding, maybe there is an earthquake but either way, there are lights flashing, horns sounding and whatnot.

The most recent rumours are that Anakin's leg gets chopped off by Obi Wan. I don't subscribe to this one bit. It is asif there are no limbs left to chop off and all we have is a leg in order to keep it original. Who said his leg needs to go in the duel?

My theory goes that during the duel Anakin somehow loses his balance; we know that he is not that great in a slope. Maybe the ground gives way and opens up, the great chasm underneath leading to some hot metal, the likes of which were enarly poured over Padme during the Droid Factory sequence. Anakin loses his balance but manages to grab on to the sides of the platform where Obi Wan grabs his hands.

This is the part of the duel where I am taking the biggest chance. I propose that Anakin, holding Obi Wan's hand, actually chooses to fall into the lava. There is nothing left for him anymore, he has betrayed himself, his wife, his master, his kid, his order and in one final scene of realisation, he choses death. It is through this choice, that by finally succumbing to his ultimate fear, that he becomes the slave of the dark side, that he is rescued by Sidious and turns into Darth Vader. He does not want to be, it might be too late for him but he has to.

As he says to his son in Jedi: "I must obey my master!"

Even though I say so myself, it makes much more sense than another hit, hit, chop, chop, fall, fall.

[Javen]

Ali that is sort of along the lines of how I believe. But the only thing is, is that the droid factory won't be in EPIII. I think it was Pablo that stated that Geonosis won't be in the movie at all.

[Ali Arikan]

I am not saying it's the droid factory from Geonosis; a metal foundry of some sorts.

Maybe in the abandoned Industrial District in Coruscant where Dooku meets Sidious at the end of AOTC?

That actually makes sense; Sidious would have a base of sorts there.

[Darth Vegas]

I had thought so for some time, but now it seems more likely it's on the new planet where our heroes take refuge from the Empire.

[Ali Arikan]

The thing is there is so much travelling done by so many characters in this film that I am not sure anymore either.

I have two possible theories:

-The duel takes place on Coruscant, in the abandoned industrial district. Anakin/Vader somehow lures Obi Wan into Sidious's lair, this mirrors the RotJ duel in a bit and the whole thing gets underway and moves through many a platform and environment.

-There is no Sidious' presence during the duel to taunt Obi Wan or tempt Anakin. The duel takes place in Bruce Spence's planet (which may or may not be a natural disaster environment). Anakin tracks down Obi Wan et al to the planet, Obi Wan stays to distract Anakin while the rest of the entourage gets away and the duel starts.

There are still so many holes though.

[Darth Vegas]

I think it's this simple, Episode 3 is going to be alot like ESB. Big battle at the beginning, it gets close and personnal in the middle, somewhere in there the Jedi are all branded traitors and Obi-Wan becomes a fugitive and leaves Coruscant with Padme and the droids, Padme's betrayal of Anakin is what drives him to the Dark Sides he sides with Palpatine and she sides with the Jedi whom Palpatine has convinced Anakin are his enemies. Our heroes are hunted relentlessly by the Empire, they eventually take refuge with Bruce Spence and co., the world is very dark, lots of gothic architecture, the newly Sithened Darth Vader tracks Obi-Wan down to the planet as other Imperials attempt to capture Padme, the duel begins, starting from the planets surface, and going underground, Padme, the droids and some others fight off Imperial troops, the duel eventually comes to a close as the enviroment becomes more and more unstable, Obi-Wan finally defeats Vader, and attempts to tempt him back to the light, Vader decides to take a dip in lava than have anything more to do with him and we all know what happenes next...

[Javen]

I think it will also mirror ANH. While Padme gets away, or maybe even being rescued. Like when Luke and Leia when they are going to the into the Falcon she see's Obi Wan and Anakin/Vader dueling. Somewhat similar to ANH when Luke sees them dueling. She possibly calls out to Obi Wan, but to no avail. They take off with the twins.

[Darth Vegas]

Oh so Obi-wan just gets left behind? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[Javen]

I didn't question yours. And besides he could have his own ship there to get away in.

[Darth Vegas]

Hey I'm just asking. Obi has to find a way to Tatooine, and that would seem really messed up to leave Obi-wan on a planet where there's already or soon to be a bunch of Imperials (to retrieve Vader's body).

[Ali Arikan]

Hmmm. Still too simple.

I mean what is the adventure arc of the story? What is the plot? The Macguffin?

We don't know any of this. I also doubt we'll see Padme in action in this one; wasn't it in fact stated as such in one of the chats?

[Javen]

Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 15 2003, 11:47 AM
Hey I'm just asking. Obi has to find a way to Tatooine, and that would seem really messed up to leave Obi-wan on a planet where there's already or soon to be a bunch of Imperials (to retrieve Vader's body).
If it's a planet far, far away...that is. We all have no idea where the duel takes place anyway. For all we know, which is doubtful, it could happen on Tattooine. I mean it's hot and dry it could have lava boiling on the other side of the planet.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Ali Arikan@Sep 15 2003, 08:49 AM
I also doubt we'll see Padme in action in this one; wasn't it in fact stated as such in one of the chats?
No not at all, if anyhting it was stated that she would be, just not fighting a nexu sorta action.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen+Sep 15 2003, 08:50 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Javen @ Sep 15 2003, 08:50 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Sep 15 2003, 11:47 AM
Hey I'm just asking. Obi has to find a way to Tatooine, and that would seem really messed up to leave Obi-wan on a planet where there's already or soon to be a bunch of Imperials (to retrieve Vader's body).
If it's a planet far, far away...that is. We all have no idea where the duel takes place anyway. For all we know, which is doubtful, it could happen on Tattooine. I mean it's hot and dry it could have lava boiling on the other side of the planet. [/b][/quote]
Oh come on man that's silly, I'm being serious here.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Ali Arikan@Sep 15 2003, 08:49 AM
Hmmm. Still too simple.
That's just the bare bones. I won't get too much into the overall plot here, we're just talking about the duel.

[Siamese Sith]

I like the idea Ali! Very well described and thought out. I wouldn't be disapointed if that's how it happened, but I've always wanted to see the duel take place on a very primordal planet like LV426 from Aliens. Take the landscape from LV426 add active volcanoes and rivers of flowing lava. Now insert the whole theory that Bruce Spences' alien race helps Obi Wan and Padme hide from Palpatine, but Anakin finds out (Jar Jar) and goes to this planet. Anakin confronts Obi Wan, demanding to see Padme but Obi Wan tells him she's dead but he knows she's not, (he can feel the twins). Suddenly a tremendous tremor knocks them over and alarms go off and sirens blare. Then Anakin says something like "Palpatine was right about you!, He said I couldn't trust the Jedi!" then Obi-Wan tries to explain that Palpatine is the Sith Lord the Jedi have been searching for. Anakin can't believe what Obi Wan is telling him, but then Padme comes out from hiding and stands next to Obi Wan, "It's true Anakin, everything Obi Wan told you is true" Anakin stands dumbfounded struggling with his feelings....
***keep in mind during this conversation chaos ensues around them as collumns of rock fall into rivers of lava and geizers of lava erupt around them***
Suddenly another enormous quake tears the ground apart and a large gap separates Padme from the two Jedi, "ANNAAKIN!!" Padme cries out as the ground she clings to begins to slide into the molten lava, Anakin runs past Obi Wan and reaches out to Padme but she's too far away, "Nooo, don't leave me! I-I love you!" But she disappears into the haze of smouldering ash (this helps solve that debate of do we see Padme die on screen).
Anakin gets to his feet, head hung low, back to Obi Wan "My fate has been sealed, my destiny is no longer yours to choose" with that the epic duel begins....

[Javen]

Originally posted by TK-007+Sep 15 2003, 11:52 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Sep 15 2003, 11:52 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Javen@Sep 15 2003, 08:50 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Sep 15 2003, 11:47 AM
Hey I'm just asking. Obi has to find a way to Tatooine, and that would seem really messed up to leave Obi-wan on a planet where there's already or soon to be a bunch of Imperials (to retrieve Vader's body).
If it's a planet far, far away...that is. We all have no idea where the duel takes place anyway. For all we know, which is doubtful, it could happen on Tattooine. I mean it's hot and dry it could have lava boiling on the other side of the planet.
Oh come on man that's silly, I'm being serious here. [/b][/quote]
What is so silly? I'm being serious here, too.

[T-bone]

Unless someone has the script, please everyone, entertain all theories, no matter how absurd you might think they are.

[Ali Arikan]

Originally posted by Siamese Sith@Sep 15 2003, 04:53 PM

Anakin gets to his feet, head hung low, back to Obi Wan "My destiny has been sealed, my fate is no longer yours to choose" with that the epic duel begins....

I like this line but I would alter it slightly. Remember, the Jedi have always said that it is Anakin's destiny, he chooses his path.

So with that:

Anakin: My destiny has been sealed, my fate is no longer mine to choose.

I would actually have him say this while he is dangling on the edge; he says this and jumps into the smouldering lava.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen+Sep 15 2003, 08:55 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Javen @ Sep 15 2003, 08:55 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 15 2003, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by Javen@Sep 15 2003, 08:50 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Sep 15 2003, 11:47 AM
Hey I'm just asking. Obi has to find a way to Tatooine, and that would seem really messed up to leave Obi-wan on a planet where there's already or soon to be a bunch of Imperials (to retrieve Vader's body).
If it's a planet far, far away...that is. We all have no idea where the duel takes place anyway. For all we know, which is doubtful, it could happen on Tattooine. I mean it's hot and dry it could have lava boiling on the other side of the planet.
Oh come on man that's silly, I'm being serious here.
What is so silly? I'm being serious here, too. [/b][/quote]
If the duel takes place on any planet with any number of Imperials, it'd still be wrong to leave Obi-Wan (a fugitive running from the Empire) behind.

[Javen]

Where have I said that Obi Wan gets left? I sure didn't say that, you're saying I am. All I said is that it could mirror ANH, where Anakin and Obi Wan meet.

[Darth Vegas]

Javen, need I quote you? you said this:

think it will also mirror ANH. While Padme gets away, or maybe even being rescued. Like when Luke and Leia when they are going to the into the Falcon she see's Obi Wan and Anakin/Vader dueling. Somewhat similar to ANH when Luke sees them dueling. She possibly calls out to Obi Wan, but to no avail. They take off with the twins.

You pretty much said there they take off without Obi-Wan, at least that's what I took it to mean . Would you care to clarify that?

[Siamese Sith]

Originally posted by Ali Arikan+Sep 15 2003, 11:57 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ali Arikan @ Sep 15 2003, 11:57 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Siamese Sith@Sep 15 2003, 04:53 PM

Anakin gets to his feet, head hung low, back to Obi Wan "My destiny has been sealed, my fate is no longer yours to choose" with that the epic duel begins....

I like this line but I would alter it slightly. Remember, the Jedi have always said that it is Anakin's destiny, he chooses his path.

So with that:

Anakin: My destiny has been sealed, my fate is no longer mine to choose.

I would actually have him say this while he is dangling on the edge; he says this and jumps into the smouldering lava. [/b][/quote]
After I wrote that I thought the same thing! I'll change it now.

[Javen]

Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 15 2003, 12:05 PM
Javen, need I quote you? you said this:

think it will also mirror ANH. While Padme gets away, or maybe even being rescued. Like when Luke and Leia when they are going to the into the Falcon she see's Obi Wan and Anakin/Vader dueling. Somewhat similar to ANH when Luke sees them dueling. She possibly calls out to Obi Wan, but to no avail. They take off with the twins.

You pretty much said there they take off without Obi-Wan, at least that's what I took it to mean . Would you care to clarify that?
No. It wouldn't make a difference anyway...

[trootling]

It's not lava that we see around the temple, or city lights-- it's traffic in a vast downtown flyway seen from 2 miles above. That's my contribution to your educations.... or did you miss that whole chase-through-coruscant scene in Ep II?

[Darth Vegas]

Uh, see for yourself, that's lava, might just be lights but I seriously doubt it, it's definately not traffic, it also probably has nothing to do with the duel but is a throwback to Ralph Mcquarrie's original concepts for the city-planet.

http://www.galacticsenate.com/uploads/post-13-1062056236.jpg

[bluemilk]

that's not lava, it's lights

[Darth Vegas]

Oh, yes a sea of lights in what looks like a natural formation of canyons, I doubt that. Disagree as you wish though.

[bluemilk]

it's a planet of over 1 trillion people and that explains the brightness from all the lights and power consumption. dude..it's lights, not lava. I'm sure there is lava in Coruscant under the crust but that's not lava winding through the city.

[Darth Vegas]

As I said, disagree as you wish, you won't sway my opinion here. Whether or not it's lava probably has no future significance anyway, IMO, it's just a throwback to old concepts for Corucant, like the Emperor's throne room surrounded by lava at the bottom of the city-planet, and Vader's home over-looking a sea of lava.

I bet the lava is perfectly controlled and stable, probably used as some type of geothermal energy source.

[trootling]

It sucks when you paint yourself into a corner, doesn't it? That's clearly the light of a dense gridlock of vehicles far, far in the distance below... Not that this has anything to do with the topic of this thread now, of course.

[Darth Vegas]

You didn't see the film on IMAX did you? It quite clearly isn't traffic, You can plainly tell on the regular film where the traffic begins and ends.

[trootling]

??? B]It's Traffic. Yes, you can see much closer layers of traffic, but you see in a world where the ordinary passenger vehicle flies and the buildings are thousands of meters tall, some vehicles can actually hover over others! AMAZING AINT IT?!? Turns out that some vehicles may be much nearer the camera, while others are FAR FAR FAR AWAY, such that all we can see are their lights blurring together in a glowing, flowing, pulsing yellowish sea. Believe it bro, it makes way more aesthetic sense than an unnecessary sea of lava in a giant city-planet[/B]

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah, uh whatever, I suggest you wipe the smugges off your glasses so you can at least see clearly. I don't know what you need to do to start thinking clearly. (J/K) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

You go on believing whatever you want.

[trootling]

smudges dude. You mean smudges. With a "d" and one "g" ...
oh yeah, and it's traffic and streetlights and not lava times infinity plus one forever!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

[Javen]

Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 16 2003, 10:08 PM
You didn't see the film on IMAX did you? It quite clearly isn't traffic, You can plainly tell on the regular film where the traffic begins and ends.
Don't need to see it on IMAX. iI have a 57 inch T.V. and see pretty clear it's lights.

[maddog62]

I once pissed somebody off about saying no Gungans died in TPM battle and they downloaded 10 pictures of Gungans falling from battle Droid fire to proove me wrong. I must say after seeing it on this site I was quite embaressed to see dead gungans all over the screen. To bad the droids missed Jar Jar. Anyway somebody post thouse pictures so we can judge for ourselfs.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen+Sep 17 2003, 04:42 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Javen @ Sep 17 2003, 04:42 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Sep 16 2003, 10:08 PM
You didn't see the film on IMAX did you? It quite clearly isn't traffic, You can plainly tell on the regular film where the traffic begins and ends.
Don't need to see it on IMAX. iI have a 57 inch T.V. and see pretty clear it's lights. [/b][/quote]
Javen, that's debatable, it's not debatable that it isn't traffic.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by maddog62@Sep 17 2003, 04:59 PM
Anyway somebody post thouse pictures so we can judge for ourselfs.
http://www.galacticsenate.com/uploads/post-13-1062056236.jpg

[Javen]

I am not saying your right or I am right. But to me it looks like lights. I don't believe it's traffic neither.

[Javen]

Also I don't know if this means anything, but next time you watch TPM watch the part where Anakin is before th council and look out beyond them. Doesn't it remind you of the trench's on the Death Star? It did to me anyway.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah it did, they talked about Coruscant resembling the Death Star on the commentary I believe.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen@Sep 17 2003, 05:06 PM
I am not saying your right or I am right. But to me it looks like lights. I don't believe it's traffic neither.
Yeah same here, you could be right, I just don't think so. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Javen]

Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 17 2003, 08:23 PM
Yeah it did, they talked about Coruscant resembling the Death Star on the commentary I believe.
I didn't remember that. But I will check that out again.

[maddog62]

Originally posted by TK-007+Sep 18 2003, 01:05 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Sep 18 2003, 01:05 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-maddog62@Sep 17 2003, 04:59 PM
Anyway somebody post thouse pictures so we can judge for ourselfs.
http://www.galacticsenate.com/uploads/post-13-1062056236.jpg [/b][/quote]
Cool, well it looks more like lava to me.

[Siamese Sith]

Look at the haze around the spotlights at the base of the buildings....That's not lights, and it's most definately not grid lock style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif .
Although having lava anywhere near a populated area seems bizarre but it's not our movie to decide. I have to go with lava.
Javen do you play SOCOM on that 57 inch momma?! That's gotta be awesome if you do!

[trootling]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif I just rewatched Ep 2 (what a piece of **** it gets every time I see it) and confirmed... It's definitely traffic, underneath smokestacks belching flame and industrial waste. When ObiWan crashlands the stolen hotrod? You see what the orange glow is. It's streetlevel Coruscant, lit by parkinglot lighting and flaming smokestacks. :withstupid:

[bluemilk]

wow your ability to use profanity sure makes your point sound so very insightful style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[darthbeavis]

I don't know if this will help settle the debate over Courscant and the lava., but I went the bookstore today and found the AOTC book of incredible locations of the AOTC movie. In it , the book said that the older part of the city is located hundreds of km down and the bright lights illuminate the lower levels. The boow was just like the amazing cross-sections books and is published by lucas books. So it appears that indeed the light is not magma but the older sections of the city. Also the photo was the same one that everyone is argueing about in this thread. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[bluemilk]

thank you darthbeavis style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by darthbeavis@Sep 23 2003, 05:27 PM
I don't know if this will help settle the debate over Courscant and the lava.
No it doesn't really, since that's EU, but whatever, either way it has no bearing on what happens in Episode 3.

[bluemilk]

EU is relevant when it comes to Coruscant. Just admit you're wrong, because you are.

[Darth Vegas]

Blue, EU isn't relevent at all when it comes to the movies, just because George decided to name the city-planet off of what they call it in the EU doesn't mean a thing.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but that book isn't the final word on these things, the movies are, and what we see in the films does not look like lights at all to me.

[bluemilk]

they're are lights and the EU is relevant. Most of the books especially the XWing Rogue Squandron series took place on Coruscant with speeder bike chases and such as did ShadowHunter which 98% of the book was focused around the lower levels of the city.

You are wrong! Now say it!

[Darth Vegas]

Blue if that little bit of EU is true than we might as well say it all is, and that's just silly.

Bottom line is GL has said the EU is a seperate universe from his own.

If I'm wrong, which I very well could be, it wasn't because of anything that was said in an EU book.

[bluemilk]

you are wrong. now say it! say I'm right.

[Darth Vegas]

You're right...sometimes.

[bluemilk]

bah! you'll find I'm right about a great many things style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Darth Vegas]

You might even be right about this, but not because some EU book says so.