MOVIES: Blade Runner

[bodhisattva yoda]

i felt like starting a bladerunner thread. here's a picture.

http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/perki/films/brunner/spinner.gif

okay. i have a question. why are the detectives called bladerunners?

[Mann]

spoilers? this movie has been out for like 21 years...

[bodhisattva yoda]

you know. for those who haven't seen it.

also, it has been revealed by the ridley scott that deckard is a replicant.

[bodhisattva yoda]

is nobody interested in blade runner? you people are hopeless!

[Javen]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 6 2003, 04:25 PM
is nobody interested in blade runner? you people are hopeless!
This sure is a way to get people in here. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

Anyway I like Bladerunner. I have the DVD but, haven't watched it in awhile.

[bodhisattva yoda]

great! so let's talk about the dvd. the dvd is crap, no? the transfer is about the worst dvd transfer in existence. you can tell this was one of the very first dvd releases as the title page is nothing but a big WB logo. i hear that there's a special edition in the works with THREE versions of the film. the original theatrical release, the 1992 director's cut version, and a NEW cut which i guess will be the definitive director's cut.

[bodhisattva yoda]

http://www.bladezone.com/contents/film/image-library/Images/0701801_Tyrell_Deckard_Rachael.jpg

[brookie]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 6 2003, 03:50 PM
you know. for those who haven't seen it.

also, it has been revealed by the ridley scott that deckard is a replicant.
i knew it! muahahhaha

[brookie]

i have the directors cut i dont think its any different

[bodhisattva yoda]

what's different is mainly three things:
first, deckard's horrible (and horribly acted, purposefully by harrison ford so it wouldn't used) patronizing voice-over is gone.
secondly, the unicorn dream sequence was added which is supposed to indicate that he's a replicant (like you said)...what confirms this is when that other bladerunner guy leaves the origami unicorn at his apartment. this is supposed to mean that the bladerunner guy somehow knows that this thought has been implanted in deckard's mind.
thirdly, the happy ending has been removed.

[brookie]

there was a happy ending? tell me about it!

[bodhisattva yoda]

in the theatrical release, right before the end credits, it shows an image of a car driving down some rural road somewhere with deckard's voiceover talking about how rachel never 'expired'

[brookie]

oh thats bad im glad i never saw that

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. i take it though, that because she's alive when he finds her at home, and she's one of the nexus 6 'batch', that it means she's meant to live.

[bluemilk]

bladerunner was an interesting movie. I liked the pace of it... the storyline really didn't grab my attention but the visuals were amazing for when it was made.

[Darth Vegas]

I sorta agree with you there Bluemilk, I was bored to tears with it despite the great visuals.

You all know the films star hated the movie right?

[Javen]

I have the Director's cut too. I like the movie and wasn't bored. When I had seen the 5th Element which is a boring movie. It seemed to almost steal ideas from Bladrunner.

[T-bone]

One of my favorite films.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 7 2003, 07:33 AM
I sorta agree with you there Bluemilk, I was bored to tears with it despite the great visuals.

You all know the films star hated the movie right?
JUst like Alec Guiness hated star wars....

[Siamese Sith]

Nobody's mentioned the scene that was totally stolen (borrowed?) from Alien. When Deckard first gets picked up by oragami guy (forgot his name) and they lift off and there's a shot of some sort of monitor showing some techy lift off sequence....straight from Alien when they're detaching from the Nostromo and preping to land on LV426 for the first time!

[Mann]

Originally posted by Siamese Sith@Sep 7 2003, 08:40 PM
Nobody's mentioned the scene that was totally stolen (borrowed?) from Alien. When Deckard first gets picked up by oragami guy (forgot his name) and they lift off and there's a shot of some sort of monitor showing some techy lift off sequence....straight from Alien when they're detaching from the Nostromo and preping to land on LV426 for the first time!
Directors can use there own stuff. they did make it.

[Siamese Sith]

Originally posted by Mann+Sep 7 2003, 03:42 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Sep 7 2003, 03:42 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Siamese Sith@Sep 7 2003, 08:40 PM
Nobody's mentioned the scene that was totally stolen (borrowed?) from Alien. When Deckard first gets picked up by oragami guy (forgot his name) and they lift off and there's a shot of some sort of monitor showing some techy lift off sequence....straight from Alien when they're detaching from the Nostromo and preping to land on LV426 for the first time!
Directors can use there own stuff. they did make it. [/b][/quote]
Sorry didn't realize it was the same director....gotta start reading those credits style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

i don't find it slow or boring at all. and the visuals are not only impressive for their time, they're still impressive. some are more obvious than others, but all of them beat cgi in my opinion. corouscant (will never spell this correctly) totally stole from bladerunner. i mean, that part during the chase where they're navigating thru the flames of the industrial complex must have been an homage to bladerunner. right?

[Mann]

Yes, there were comments that AotC did steal from Bladerunner, and it's true.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 7 2003, 03:34 PM
corouscant (will never spell this correctly) totally stole from bladerunner.
Coruscant (http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/coruscant/bts.html) (back then it wasn't called Coruscant, it was called Hab Abbandon) was designed originally for Return of the Jedi by Ralph Mcquarrie and never used until the Special Editions, so it didn't steal anything from Bladerunner, as it was obviously conceived before Bladerunner even hit theaters (September 1982).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, there were comments that AotC did steal from Bladerunner, and it's true. [/b][/quote]

Actually there was an homage to Star Wars in Bladerunner (the Millenium Falcon in the skyline) so GL returned the favor in TPM by putting one of the ships from Bladerunner in Coruscant's traffic.

[Siamese Sith]

^ Tis true + I recall in the commentary Lucas said something to the effect of "outdoing the cityscape effects of Blade Runner"

[bodhisattva yoda]

he failed.

[Mann]

Coruscant was originated yes, but BladeRunner was based on a story written before, though i have not read the story, it seems that a friend told me that the book has detail about some city in it, which i think led to Coruscant. So Lucas kinda stole the idea. And yes, if a movie comes out a year before another movie you know someone stole the idea.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Siamese Sith@Sep 8 2003, 01:03 AM
^ Tis true + I recall in the commentary Lucas said something to the effect of "outdoing the cityscape effects of Blade Runner"
gee, after 20 years, you'd think someone would...

[bodhisattva yoda]

does anyone have any gripes about blade runner besides its alleged slow pace? i have one. some terrible editing. there are a few scenes that are over-dubbed worse than a godzilla movie. sometimes a character is talking, and nobody's mouth is moving. i hope these things are somehow addressed in the new dvd cut.

[Justin]

I don't like the Director's Cut. I would buy the original version if I could find it, but you can't for some stupid reason. Just because something has "Director's Cut" pasted on it doesn't mean it is the only version people would want to own. I thought that the Director's Cut of Bladerunner made very little sense. I liked the voice over in the original version because it gave insight into Harrison Ford's character.

One line from the voice-over that stands out in my mind that I really liked is the one where he says something like "replicant or not, I don't like the idea of shooting a woman in the back." I thought that line added real depth to his character that just isn't there in the director's cut.

One thing I will say in the director's cut's favor is that the whole thing with the unicorn and revealing that Deckard may be (or is definitely) a replicant himself was really cool.

[bodhisattva yoda]

well, i prefer the director's cut because it doesn't spell everything out for you. i mean, when he shoots the replicant in the back, there's obviously a pained look on deckard's face. also, i don't know how long it's been since you've seen the theatrical version, but ford's voice-over was terribly acted, and intentionally so. ford didn't want the voice-over anymore than scott did, so he attempted to sabotage it with bad acting. fortunately for you though, and really, for all fans of blade runner, the special edition will supposedly be composed of three cuts of the film, including the original theatrical cut.

i also didn't care for the 'happy ending'... the fact that rachel was still alive when deckard returned to his apartment was evidence enough to conclude that she would live. the theatrical cut is patronizing.

[Justin]

Well I prefer it to the director's cut and my film studies teacher did too. I've heard other people say the same thing, and people obviously liked it because for a long time it was the only version you could get, and it was still considered a cult classic.

That's cool about a special edition DVD with both versions. Do you have any idea why there is a third version? I think all DVDs should have an original version and a special edition (if there is a special cut). I don't get why Lucas isn't doing that with the Star Wars Trilogy DVDs.

[bodhisattva yoda]

agreed.

the third cut is supposed to be the definitive director's cut. ridley scott's most recent cut. a sort of ultimate edition, if you will.

the one thing about the theatrical release that's nice is the voice over gives you a real film noir sorta feeling. you also feel a bit less, i dunno, lonely when the protagonist is speaking to the viewer. blade runner is a very lonely-feeling film.

[bodhisattva yoda]

so i don't suppose anyone knows why exactly the replicant-hunter cops are called blade runners...?

[Tovor]

I haven't seen the movie since it came out and barely remember it, but I'm guessing that their job is considered so dangerous that it's like running on the edge of a blade where you're likely to get cut or fall off.

[bodhisattva yoda]

er. maaaybe.

when i think of the title i think more of like, a relentless samurai or something.

[flo fett]

Well, all I've got to say about it is that it is my favourite sci-fi movie. *waits while the tumbleweed rolls by after announcing this in a StarWars forum*. It's visually stunning, the characters are great. It has an ambiguous storyline, it has Harrison Ford and Rutger Hauer in it. The music is fab. I love sci-fi set in worlds of urban decay. I love used universes. I love Ridley Scott. That's all I have to say. Thank you for listening.
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[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by flo fett@Sep 13 2003, 05:46 AM
*waits while the tumbleweed rolls by after announcing this in a StarWars forum*
No worries, SW isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy set in space.

[flo fett]

*Wipes brow*
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[Javen]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 7 2003, 10:58 PM
he failed.
Yeah right...

[bodhisattva yoda]

well, i think so. not technically, but esthetically.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Sep 13 2003, 01:52 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Sep 13 2003, 01:52 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-flo fett@Sep 13 2003, 05:46 AM
*waits while the tumbleweed rolls by after announcing this in a StarWars forum*
No worries, SW isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy set in space. [/b][/quote]
Sci-Fi/Fantasy techincally.

[brookie]

i enjoyed the directors cut yep... thats right..... <cough>

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann+Sep 13 2003, 09:51 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Sep 13 2003, 09:51 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 13 2003, 01:52 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-flo fett@Sep 13 2003, 05:46 AM
*waits while the tumbleweed rolls by after announcing this in a StarWars forum*
No worries, SW isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy set in space.
Sci-Fi/Fantasy techincally. [/b][/quote]
Lucas himself refers to it as a space fantasy because that's what it is, in the same heart as Flash Gordon (which also isn't sci-fi), Science fiction deals with plots involved with the science behind the things we see in a fictional universe, like Star Trek.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Sep 14 2003, 06:51 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Sep 14 2003, 06:51 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Mann@Sep 13 2003, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 13 2003, 01:52 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-flo fett@Sep 13 2003, 05:46 AM
*waits while the tumbleweed rolls by after announcing this in a StarWars forum*
No worries, SW isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy set in space.
Sci-Fi/Fantasy techincally.
Lucas himself refers to it as a space fantasy because that's what it is, in the same heart as Flash Gordon (which also isn't sci-fi), Science fiction deals with plots involved with the science behind the things we see in a fictional universe, like Star Trek. [/b][/quote]
Fictional Universe....not a Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far Far Away?

And according to many, Star Wars IS Science Fiction. The Science Fiction Film Academy have awarded them with accolades stating they are science fiction movies. (granted, they also state that Bladerunner is a better movie than SW...)

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by TK-007+Sep 13 2003, 01:52 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Sep 13 2003, 01:52 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-flo fett@Sep 13 2003, 05:46 AM
*waits while the tumbleweed rolls by after announcing this in a StarWars forum*
No worries, SW isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy set in space. [/b][/quote]
i would tend to disagree

star wars is a genre unto itself

it's sci-fi, mythology, fantasy and theology set in a galaxy far, far away.




...and Blade Runner ROCKS!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Sep 14 2003, 12:06 AM
Fictional Universe....not a Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far Far Away?
Yeah, but Star Wars does not deal with the science behind the universe like most of what you would call sci-fi does (some good examples would be the works of H.G. Wells and Arthur C. Clarke), some people brand it sci-fi but it's really not.

Just because a story involves advanced technology or magic doesn't automatically make it sci-fi.

Lucas calls it a space fantasy, that's what I'll call it.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by JediBendu+Sep 14 2003, 01:36 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JediBendu @ Sep 14 2003, 01:36 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 13 2003, 01:52 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-flo fett@Sep 13 2003, 05:46 AM
*waits while the tumbleweed rolls by after announcing this in a StarWars forum*
No worries, SW isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy set in space.
i would tend to disagree

star wars is a genre unto itself

it's sci-fi, mythology, fantasy and theology set in a galaxy far, far away. [/b][/quote]
That's a fine way of looking at it, SW certainly does some ammount of sci-fi I suppose (like Midi-Chlorians) but it's in no way entirely sci-fi, that aspect is very minimal.

People tend to call it sci-fi simply because there's aliens and laserswords and spaceships.

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 14 2003, 11:16 AM

That's a fine way of looking at it, SW certainly does some ammount of sci-fi I suppose (like Midi-Chlorians) but it's in no way entirely sci-fi, that aspect is very minimal.

People tend to call it sci-fi simply because there's aliens and laserswords and spaceships.

Sci-Fi at it's purist is socio-political commentary of the society at the time in which it's written/made.
The original SW fits that definition totally, commenting on the rise of corporate imperialism throughout the 60s and 70s.
not so much with esb and roj, but the PT is rife with it.

I would strongly disagree that the sci-fi aspect is very minimal.

[Darth Vegas]

Well I agree with what the dictionary says about sci-fi:

science fiction
n.
A form of fiction that draws imaginatvely on scientific knowledge and speculation

[T-bone]

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[bodhisattva yoda]

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[Darth Vegas]

Loosen up!

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Sep 14 2003, 11:14 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Sep 14 2003, 11:14 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Sep 14 2003, 12:06 AM
Fictional Universe....not a Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far Far Away?
Yeah, but Star Wars does not deal with the science behind the universe like most of what you would call sci-fi does (some good examples would be the works of H.G. Wells and Arthur C. Clarke), some people brand it sci-fi but it's really not.

Just because a story involves advanced technology or magic doesn't automatically make it sci-fi.

Lucas calls it a space fantasy, that's what I'll call it. [/b][/quote]
It kinda upgraded to Sci-fi even more when they actually started talking Science (ie Midichlorians)

definition:

science fiction
n.
A literary or cinematic genre in which fantasy, typically based on speculative scientific discoveries or developments, environmental changes, space travel, or life on other planets, forms part of the plot or background.

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. it's obviously both sci-fi and fantasy. a film doesn't have to stay designated to a single genre.

[Mann]

Exactly, which is why it IS designated as Sci/Fi Fantasy.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 14 2003, 07:45 AM
yeah. it's obviously both sci-fi and fantasy. a film doesn't have to stay designated to a single genre.
Well obviously some people would disagree, and I'm not alone on that.

I prefer my dictionaries definition of Science Fiction which more accurately depicts the genre, stories that draw imaginatively on scientific knowledge and speculation.

Just because we see the use of advanced technology, aliens and whatnot, doesn't automatically make it sci-fi, as far as I'm concerned, anymore than orcs, monsters and magic make The Lord of the Rings sci-fi.

I won't deny that there's an l ammount of sci-fi in SW, but it's small, the movie doesn't center around the science of things in the universe it centers on the characters and their conflicts, you see these things work (like lightsabers) and no explanation is needed. SW is more a fantasy/adventure/swashbuckler type film than it is sci-fi.

But anyway, I think you all might want to get back on topic.

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I won't deny that there's a small ammount of sci-fi in SW, but it's small, the movie doesn't center around the science of things in the universe it centers on the characters and their conflicts, you see these things work (like lightsabers) and no explanation is needed. SW is more a fantasy/adventure/swashbuckler type film than it is sci-fi.
[/b][/quote]

First off, space ships, advnaced technology, and extra terrestrials are all what Star Wars is about. All those are under Sci-fi.

Next, so they have some mystical religion that can be fantasy. So? Science Fiction is a form of fantasy. read my longer definition above.

also, the PT basically says that the midichlorians are what makes the force work, so you can say that is sci-fi.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Sep 14 2003, 08:01 AM
First off, space ships, advnaced technology, and extra terrestrials are all what Star Wars is about. All those are under Sci-fi.
No it's not, it's about the situations our characters go through and their personnal conflicts, those things are merely filling to make the universe seem real.

In case you didn't hear me before, I don't agree with the definition of sci-fi you posted, that's not what I personnally refer to as science fiction.

And again, why don't you get back on topic instead of arguing? You aren't changing anyone's mind here.

[bodhisattva yoda]

yup. it isn't traditional science fiction, and it isn't traditional fantasy. it is a hybrid. no one genre can contain it.

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>No it's not, it's about the situations our characters go through and their personnal conflicts, those things are merely filling to make the universe seem real.
[/b][/quote]

That's the story. But do you think if they took away all the science fiction/fantasy aspect away people would see Star Wars? No. Sciene fiction and Fantasy movies are all about saying: Look we have cool effects. I mean good stories come along, but the movie is mostly about the aspect of film.

And i think as long as we discuss Science Fiction, and my dictionary definition is from dictionary.com, it pertains to the topic.

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. star wars would be nothing without its fantastic visuals and music and whatnot. the story is pretty straightfoward and quite common. it's the manifestation of the story that makes it so great.

[T-bone]

People - I wasn't kidding. Stay on topic. Talk about Blade Runner here or start a thread about Is Star Wars Sci-Fi Or not.

I'll have an entertainment Mod take care of merging the stuff afterwards.

[Darth Vegas]

Ok, Blade Runner, I still don't like it, how bout' you guys?

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 14 2003, 05:09 PM
Ok, Blade Runner, I still don't like it, how bout' you guys?
it's Ridley Scott's 2nd best film next to Alien. And After Matchstick Men this weekend, I must say he is one the most versatile Directors of all time.

[Darth Vegas]

His second best? I think that'd be Gladiator, that's an excellent film, the sequel sounds like a real mistake though.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 14 2003, 06:58 PM
His second best? I think that'd be Gladiator, that's an excellent film, the sequel sounds like a real mistake though.
Ridley's Best:

1) Alein- Scariest movie I've ever seen
2) Blade Runner- Most stylish
3) Black Hawk Down- For a guy in his 60's, he has a great pace.
4) Gladiator- I love this film, his most well rounded.
5) Thelma and Louise- Never saw this coming
6) Matchstick Men- Ridely Scott, comedy? wow good stuff.

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>the sequel sounds like a real mistake though. [/b][/quote]

You are correct. I hope to God this isn't another Series of movies like Rocky...

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Sep 14 2003, 11:03 AM
1) Alien- Scariest movie I've ever seen
Fantastic film, wish I had the dvd.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>2) Blade Runner- Most stylish[/b][/quote]

Great visuals, just too boring.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>3) Black Hawk Down- For a guy in his 60's, he has a great pace.[/b][/quote]

Boring, just boring. I didn't get anything out of this film at all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>5) Thelma and Louise- Never saw this coming[/b][/quote]

I didn't even know he made that, not a film I particularly liked, could be because I was about 5 years old when it came out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>6) Matchstick Men- Ridely Scott, comedy? wow good stuff.[/b][/quote]

I might rent it, but probably not.

[Mann]

Black Hawk Down is a great great film. read the book, cause the movie is extremly faithful. You also understand that Scott is a master of action sequences.

[bluemilk]

Thelma and Louis was really good! But yeah BladeRunner, fantasic visually, interesting characters but the movie was slow and boring.

[T-bone]

PEOPLE - make a Ridley Scott thread if you want but please keep this to Blade Runner!

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[bodhisattva yoda]

blade runner is only slow and boring if you have an MTV type attention span. blade runner is beautiful and atmospheric and fascinating. what would change about it? more action? sex? more replicants murdering genetic engineers and whatnot?

[bodhisattva yoda]

i'd still like to know what 'blade runner' is supposed to mean though!

[kopernikuz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>1) Alein- Scariest movie I've ever seen[/b][/quote]

About to be re-releaseed in a special edition this Halloween in THEATERS!!!
Prepare to return where no one can hear you scream!


Anywho... Blade Runner is a thinking person's sci-fi... this is why some say it's boring or slow. It is so deep and philisophical, and yet action oriented and fun too... fantastic film....

[T-bone]

Originally posted by kopernikuz@Sep 15 2003, 04:04 PM
Blade Runner is a thinking person's sci-fi... this is why some say it's boring or slow. It is so deep and philisophical, and yet action oriented and fun too... fantastic film....
I very much agree.

Plus the book is way more out there and very different. It's more in the sci-fi area than the film, which is almost a noir kind of thing set in the future (the film) as opposed to more Sci-fi subject matter (the book, originally called "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep").

Very good in both cases but I do feel that the film flowed better and I enjoyed it more. The book had lots of social commentary in it and went into areas of religion, etc. Deckard even had a wife in the book, plus an artificial sheep that lived on the roof (I think... it's been a while since I've read it.)

Anyhow, I suggest both.


- He say you brade runnah..
- Tell him I'm eating.

[flo fett]

Yeah, I liked his sheep. He kept it on the roof if i remember correctly. A sheep was all he could afford pet-wise. Nice. the book is slightly disjointed I felt but still well worth a read.

[Mann]

People saying Blade Runner is boring sound like the people saying The Matrix Reloaded was boring. Deep Philosphical movies don't appeal to people anymore. DAMN YOU STAR WARS! JUST KIDDING!

[flo fett]

Right, in reply to the whole "why are bladerunners called that?' question, I found this site that has an answer. Take a look here (http://http://www.brmovie.com/FAQs/BR_FAQ_Blade_Runners.htm#Term).
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Right now I'm off to bed, got work in the morning. Nite nite x

[bodhisattva yoda]

blast! it's not working!

[Das_Funked]

Bladerunner is definately one of my favourite all-time movies. I have never seen the theatrical release, but the director's cut is brilliant. I like movies that force you to think aboutit after you've seen it, which is what it achieved.

[kopernikuz]

Press kits simply say that "Blade Runner" is the nickname given to officers trained to administer the Voight-Kampff test and root out and retire rogue replicants. It doesn't explain what the significance of "Blade" or "Runner" is...

[bodhisattva yoda]

let's play a game. the game is simple. whoever can provide the best explaination of what the significance of the term 'blade runner' is wins. ready? GO.


das funked. the theatrical version is crap. especially if you already have a deep appreciation for the director's cut. it takes away much of the mystery and attempts to spell everything out for you. it's worth borrowing from the library and watching though just to note the differences. in fact, i'd like your opinion on it if you get the chance. i'd like to see what someone who hasn't been subjected to the theatrical version previous to the director's cut of the film thinks of the differences as it usually works the other way around.

[Mann]

Bladerunner is all around brilliant. Either version is different and i like them both.

[bodhisattva yoda]

who's gonna buy the three disc special edition when it is finally released (besides me) !?

[flo fett]

Sorry I buggered up that link, click here (http://www.brmovie.com/FAQs/BR_FAQ_Blade_Runners.htm#Term), it should work now.
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[bodhisattva yoda]

finally! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[T-bone]

http://www.brmovie.com/BR_Special_Edition.htm

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>In what has now become a quarterly update, I can say that last week The Home Theater Forum held a live chat with Warner Home Video (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/files/warner04.txt)and it wasn't long before "the question" was asked: "What is the status of the definitive, multi-disc Blade Runner special edition?" The answer was not a total negative, but was hardly inspiring either, "You all know BLADE RUNNER has legal issues. We are currently investigating what options we have to revisit the title." One might deduce from this that the 3-DVD set with Ridley's definitive cut may have gone on indefinite hold, but that Warners might be considering the lesser option of releasing an "interim" version. The ownership rights are so messed up that I really have no idea exactly what that could include or how much better of a transfer they might be able to achieve without further permissions. As usual, it is a case of wait and see.

If you are so inclined, you might want to sign a petition to Jerry Perenchio about letting the full BR:SE happen. I personally think it is more likely to piss him off than have any positive effect, but here (http://www.petitiononline.com/B26354/petition.html) is the petition for you to check out.
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[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">I rented the Director's Cut, and I loved the movie. It seemed a bit confusing to me at first, but re-watching made me enjoy it more. I love the whole atmosphere of the film, and LA of the future looks a lot better than Coruscant from the prequels, IMO. The only negative is the very crappy way the DVD is set up.</span>

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Sniper Wolf the Warmaster@Aug 10 2004, 02:10 AM
<span style="color:blue">I rented the Director's Cut, and I loved the movie. It seemed a bit confusing to me at first, but re-watching made me enjoy it more. I love the whole atmosphere of the film, and LA of the future looks a lot better than Coruscant from the prequels, IMO. The only negative is the very crappy way the DVD is set up.</span>
Is this the version that's out now and what's the differenve from the original?

Forgive me but I've been wanting to add this movie to my collection and I haven't read this entire thread. I heard that the DVD that's out now has been change.

[Ripley the Warmaster]

<span style="color:blue">I know there is a voiceover by Ford at the end that isn't in the director's cut. I'm not sure about all the changes since I've only seen the director's cut.</span>

[RollaFett]

I've seen both versions, but it's een so long since I've seen the original, I really don't even remember the narration that was taken out in the director's cut. Obviously it wasn't memorable enough for me to not even notice it was gone.

[cj790]

As my avatar may attest to, Blade Runner is one of my favourite films of all time (currently only behind TESB and 2001 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif ). I have both versions, several books, and wrote my BA dissertation on it. Top drawer!

[Virus]

is this movie worth buying or renting? I only saw the beginning and it seemed decent.

[T-bone]

buy it

[Horse_Head]

It's in my collection

[cj790]

Definately buy it. Director's Cut is best.

[Virus]

Originally posted by T'bone@Sep 15 2004, 12:29 AM
buy it
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Its just this movie seemed kinda boring, or did I just catch the non-action scenes?

[Ripley the Warmaster]

Originally posted by Virus+Sep 15 2004, 10:34 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Virus @ Sep 15 2004, 10:34 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-T'bone@Sep 15 2004, 12:29 AM
buy it
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Its just this movie seemed kinda boring, or did I just catch the non-action scenes?
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<span style="color:blue">There isn't much action in it, unless you count the end where Harrison is being chased by Roy. It's more philosophical than action. I love the score, visuals, story, acting, etc. While I don't like it as much as Alien, Blade Runner is still one of the best sci-fi movies period.</span>

[cj790]

Don't expect gratuitous fight scenes or the like. There are some action scenes though - fights with Zhora, Pris, and the chase with Roy Batty. It's more cerebral than the usual SF blockbuster.

[T-bone]

Pick this up too:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=006...onefendersstar/ (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0061053147/tbonefendersstar/)

[RollaFett]

Interesting, looks like a good read.

[T-bone]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=1&id=36328

YES YES YES F*** YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is huge news for BR fans.

Where's CJ?

[The Bandit]

Blocked at work. Plesae tell me it's an SE region 1 DVD release.

Please.

-- 2bq

[empire21]

This is the best news i've heard this year :yeah:

[T-bone]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=1&id=36328

Blade Runner Final Cut Due

Warner home video will issue a new remastered director's cut of the classic SF movie Blade Runner in September now that it has cleared up rights issues, followed by a theatrical release of a version promised to be truly director Ridley Scott's final cut, Variety reported. Warner's rights to Blade Runner lapsed a year ago, but the studio has since negotiated a long-term license.

The movie has a troubled history. When Scott ran overbudget, completion bond guarantors took control of it and made substantial changes before its 1982 theatrical release, adding a voice over and a happy ending. That version was replaced by the much better-received director's cut in 1992, but Scott has long been unhappy with it, complaining that he was rushed and unable to give it proper attention.

Scott started working on the final cut version in 2000, but that project was shelved by Warner soon after, apparently because the studio couldn't come to terms with Jerry Perenchio over rights issues.

The restored "Director's Cut" will debut on home video in September and will remain on sale for only four months, after which time it will be placed on moratorium. Blade Runner: Final Cut will arrive in 2007 for a limited 25th anniversary theatrical run, followed by a special-edition DVD with the three previous versions offered as alternate viewing. Besides the original theatrical version and director's cut, the expanded international theatrical cut will be included. The set will also contain additional bonus materials.

:happydance:

[T-bone]

Lucasfilm should take a F-ING lesson!

[The Bandit]

In the words of Stuart Scott, Boo-YAH!

So do I buy the SE only or wait for the super box set?

I'll definitely be getting myself to a theatre to see the film... and Lou, you're going with me. (not that I have to twist your arm that much for Blade Runner)

[T-bone]

F- yea man. I'm going MULTIPLE times.

and you buy both DVDs, of course.

[empire21]

The coolest part of all this news is that i've never seen Blade Runner in a theatre, so I will take advantage of the release and go a few times :)

[Ripley]

Originally posted by empire21@May 26 2006, 07:54 AM
This is the best news i've heard this year :yeah:
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Damn straight. I was watching BR last night, wondering when this will come out. I know I'll be doing the two hour commuite to Kansas City to see the film on the big screen.

[T-bone]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/home_...t_id=1002576544 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/home_video/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002576544)

[cj790]

Originally posted by T'bone@May 26 2006, 01:41 PM
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=1&id=36328

YES YES YES F*** YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is huge news for BR fans.

Where's CJ?
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:happydance: !!!

Fantastic stuff!!!
Can't wait for this to come - I wonder if Scott is going to make more allusions to Deckard being a replicant? Will the scene with Deckard meeting Holden in the hospital be restored? Gah!!!....

Cheers for the news T! :D

[Virus]

I need to watch this again. I thought it was just an average movie but I think a 2nd viewing will help.

[empire21]

Some more info on the release

http://www.digitalbits.com/#mytwocents

[flo fett]

Originally posted by T'bone@May 26 2006, 12:41 PM
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=1&id=36328

YES YES YES F*** YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is huge news for BR fans.

Where's CJ?
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Oh.My.God.
My life will be complete, right there.
My favourite movie of all time, complete and in the cinema.
After this year God is welcome to take me, I will have fulfilled my purpose.
:happydance:

[The White Tuxedo]

Hey, George. Are ya listening to this?

I don't mind Ridley Scott changing his films for DVD. At least he always leaves us with the original too. And in anamorphic widescreen, of course.

I'll be buying the DVD this September. Then I'll see it in the theatre, and then I'll get the big boxset. I'd bet that all the material on the September release will be in teh big boxset as well. But I'm a completist, so I'll get this one too to make sure. Plus, I'm tired of the crappy DVD that we have now with such features as "Jump To A Scene". :)

[empire21]

Blade Runner - The Final Cut Trailer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vOsSvkbRjA

Plus a little news on it's DVD release.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

[Miasmo]

Great news and all, but what exactly are we gettiing?

[T-bone]

:yoda::yoda::yoda:<object height="350" width="425">

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/4vOsSvkbRjA" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="350" width="425"></object>

[TAGLINE]

Now its one of the 100 greatest movies ever made.

[Tovor]

Let's hear it for Obidobi! :wtg:

[empire21]

Huh!? :confused:

[Tovor]

Oh, sorry, inside joke, sort of. Josh Rollanet isn't the only celebrity we have posting here. We used to joke with Obi that he and Rutger Haur look alike. And boy, does he hate that comparison! :lol:

[empire21]

Ah, I see.

[RollaFett]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=36328
It's a dated article, but from what I recall, it's still very accurate.
Oh man, when I saw that trailer the other night, my entire body had chills. I can't friggin' wait! I hope that the theatrical re-release will be near me!

[RollaFett]

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/br2007/announce.html

Now, I'm pretty damned happy. Of course, I'll be happier on December 18th, but just having everything finally confirmed is a cause for celebation.

[empire21]

I'll be getting that 4 disc set for sure! :yeah:

[RollaFett]

Yeah, I'm definately at least getting that. Considering that it's also so close to X-mas, I may have the 5 disc set on my list to Santa.

[empire21]

As cool as that 5 disc set is, I just don't want that big ass briefcase, but you never know, I may change my mind when I see it. :P

[RollaFett]

yeah, it'd be better if you could just get the 5 discs without the case, because you know that's what's driving the cost of that set way up.

[empire21]

5 disc set reviewed.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviewshd/bladerunnerfinalallver01.html

[Jjm3233]

^Good review, I am pretty sure my wife is getting me the 5 disc version in some form.

[P-Ray]

I need to finally pick up this DVD!

I haven't gotten any version as of yet:wink:

[Darth Darthy]

I must have pre-ordered this months ago, almost forgot about it. Roll on the 19th!

[empire21]

I haven't gotten any version as of yet:wink:

Same here. I still haven't decided which to get the 4 disc or 5. :scratchchin:

[P-Ray]

Same here. I still haven't decided which to get the 4 disc or 5. :scratchchin:
I didn't know there was a choice!

I thought that the special extended director's cut super duper mega edition was coming out and that was all?

[empire21]

You even have a 2 disc to choose from.

[Jjm3233]

I didn't know there was a choice!

I thought that the special extended director's cut super duper mega edition was coming out and that was all?

There's the briefcase with 5 discs (DVD, HD & Blu-ray) the 5 discs by themselves (HD & Blu-Ray), a 4 disc version (DVD) and a 2 disc (DVD) that is the "Final Cut" and a bonus disc. From what I've read the four disc edition has four versions of the movie (Final Cut, Director's Cut, Original Version, and International Version); while the five disc sets additionally have the fabled workprint version of the movie.

[RollaFett]

Yes, you are correct. I would advise you all to click in the link that Empire21 posted, because it's about as in-depth a review as you're likely to find. In fact, here it is again: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviewshd/bladerunnerfinalallver01.html

As for me, I have made it clear that I must have this for Christmas. I really want the 5 disc, but would gladly accept the 4 disc. To be honest, the briefcase packaging for the 5 disc doesn't appeal to me very mush, but alas, that's the only way to get it on standard dvd.

[cj790]

If I don't get the 5-disc set then I'm having words with jolly old St. Nick... :wink:

It's taking all my willpower to ignore the 2-disc set I see in the supermarket every week!

[Zedekk]

:thud:

[Darth Darthy]

Got the 'brief case' today and just watched it. It's been a long time since I've seen it so I can't compare it to the crappy VHS and DivX version. Wow. What a movie. Perfect. I forgot what happened at the end and just hoped she wasn't dead by the time he got there. And yeah, he's definitely a Replicant. Never really noticed it before, but he has absolutely no empathy towards her plight until they share a moment at the piano. In fact, he's a bit of a git really.

The box set itself is pretty cool but the Spinner is a wee bit delicate. I opened one of the doors and thought it fell off. Turns out they just don't make plastic like they used to.

[Orandhite]

Going to be picking this up in the January sales me thinks! :thumbs-up:

[empire21]

I'm gonna be watching it Friday after work.

[Justin]

Got the suitcase for Christmas...now I just have to figure out where to keep it.

[Jjm3233]

I put mine right beside my X-Files complete series Box. Now I just need to find a better place for both. . .

[empire21]

That's the reason I didn't get the suitcase, I would have absolutely nowhere to put it. :giveup:

[RollaFett]

I got the 4 disc set for Xmas. I'm happy because I don't have to worry about storage and the workprint version doesn't really interest me too much anyway. I would like to watch the 30 minute featurette that comes with it, though, dammit.

[Lord Tesla]

That's the reason I didn't get the suitcase, I would have absolutely nowhere to put it. :giveup:

I didn't let that stop me. Of course, it'll probably take me longer to devise a storage solution for it than to watch the entire contents of all five discs, but...that's the breaks.

[empire21]

I didn't let that stop me. Of course, it'll probably take me longer to devise a storage solution for it than to watch the entire contents of all five discs, but...that's the breaks.

Well, to me it just wasn't worth making my TV room look sloppy. :ohwell:

[Justin]

Well the 5-disc DVD slipcase comes out of the briefcase and can be put on the shelf with the rest of your DVD library, if that's what you are concerned about.

[Lord Tesla]

Well, to me it just wasn't worth making my TV room look sloppy. :ohwell:

You can't defeat the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Sloppiness is going to win. So why not have the Suitcase Edition as a consolation while the universe runs down?

[kopernikuz]

Well the 5-disc DVD slipcase comes out of the briefcase and can be put on the shelf with the rest of your DVD library, if that's what you are concerned about.
Exactly... that's what I'm doing... The briefcase and collectibles inside will go elsewhere. I currently have all my movie "extras" (bobble heads, models, trinkets or whatever that were included with DVD purchases) upstairs in my office, soon to be displayed there better on some shelves. I used to have them across the tops of my DVD shelves, but my wife would prefer them not to be the centerpeice of the living room, lol. The movies are, but not the chotchkies.

[cj790]

I have the 5-disc version, but have been so far unable to watch any edition because I'm having to entertain my family and g/f!

"So which Blade Runner do you want to watch tonight?" is not as alluring to others as I thought it would be... :wink:

[Jjm3233]

^ Oh come on, its better then "So which Trek should we watch: Original, Next Gen, Deep Space 9, Voyager, Enterprise, or one of the movies?"

[cj790]

^ Lol, true enough.

Don't forget 'animated' in the list too :wink:

[empire21]

"So which Blade Runner do you want to watch tonight?" is not as alluring to others as I thought it would be... :wink:

Freaking LOL!

[RollaFett]

I'm in the same boat. I got it for Xmas, and haven't opened it yet, let alone watched any of it.
Mrs. Rollafett has a herniated disc and it's been acting up on her the last couple of days, so she's been home all the time. She is not a Blade Runner fan, dammit. Fortunately, she got some drugs from the doctor today, and will hopefully make it in to work tomorrow, which would give all night to dive into some Blade Runner goodness!



Oh, yeah....I hope she feels better too.

[empire21]

Oh, yeah....I hope she feels better too.

You rotten bastid. :lol:

Anyway, I've watched the final cut already and I'm about to throw in the Directors cut.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, I'm a bastid. A basitd that's gonna enjoy some Blade Runner tomorrow night, along with a few choice cocktails as well.

[empire21]

Yeah, I'm a bastid. A basitd that's gonna enjoy some Blade Runner tomorrow night, along with a few choice cocktails as well.


I'll be doing that tonight. :nahnah:

[RollaFett]

You rotten bastid. ;)

[cj790]

Still haven't seen the final cut, but Dangerous Days was amazing. Brilliant interviews and excellent footage.

[Talcy]

Yep, just got through watching the doc yesterday. Superior stuff.

The Final Cut is brilliant. Saw a digital print of it in November and it reminded me how much I love the film. in fact, it was the best experience I'd had watching Blade Runner.

[Ripley]

Thanks to the new DVDs I finally got to watch the original cut. Wow, Ford's narration and the original ending is all kinds of suck.