MOVIEs: Watch These Films Or Die

[bodhisattva yoda]

i thought i'd open a thread where i can force people to watch good films because you just don't know what's good for you and i'm only trying to help.

i openned a thread for avalon and happy accidents, which i'll let die since they're now a part of this thread (and since nobody really visited them anyway).

i'd also like to recommend the zatoichi film series (27 films) which are excellent samurai films that started in the sixties about a blind swordsman (zatoichi). more on this later.

this is also where people can recommend films to me and others, preferably classic, independent, foreign, or just otherwise obscure films that you won't be bombarded with previews and commercials for.

other films you must watch:
the city of lost children (surreal french fairytail that isn't for young children)
the wings of honneamise (best anime ever)
audition (pleasantly disturbing sadistic japanese film)
the royal tenenbaums (mainstream film, yes, but you don't know what you're missing)
baraka (cinematography from around the world. some trippy time lapse imagery and stuff)
titus (big budget surreal fantasy based on 'titus andronicus' by shakespeare. failed at the box office and faded into relative obscurity.)

this is a good start i think.
now you recommend stuff!

[Leia]

You're wanting us to watch a movie called bumpies?? oh wait, nevermind :look: lol, j/k I can't think of any obscure movies to make others watch. Oh! Watch A Hard Day's Night, it's hilarious! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

people are only interested in watching hollywood blockbusters and then complaining about how hollywood blockbusters suck.

[RollaFett]

'Run Lola Run'. A German film from....hell, I'm not quite sure. Late 90's to early 2000's.
Absolutely fantastic film! The same filmmaker made another damn good film afterward, titled, 'The Warrior and the Princess'.

[bodhisattva yoda]

run lola run! yeah. i own that.

i'll have to check out the warrior and the princess though.

this movie 'the princess blade' looks kinda neat in a melodramatic comicbookish sorta way. it's japanese and has been released in select cities and stuff. anyone seen this or heard anything about it? http://www.theprincessblade.com/#

[bodhisattva yoda]

oh oh oh!
has anyone seen 'city of god'? it's like a brazilian 'goodfellas'...sorta.. it's actually more violent.

AND. amorres perros is excellent too. (roughly translated: 'love is a *****')

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">I want to see The Princess Blade, Moo and I are really looking forward to The Last Samurai, and I can't wait to see Kill Bill.

Hmmm good movies I'd reccomend. Farewell my Concubine is an amazing movie, go see it!</span></span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

does moo exist in your head?

[JediBendu]

If you're going to say City of Lost Children, you have to mention Delicatessen style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

THX-118 is compulsory viewing, and one that far too many star wars fans over look when they think about GL.



...any Lone Wolf and Cub is superb as well style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[nerfer]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif <span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">Nope Moocat is my hubby, if you check out the Meet the members thread you can see a piccy of us! </span></span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

that actually looks pretty good. (farewell my concubine, i mean)

the red violin is an excellent movie. i think it's french canadian, but it takes place in different parts of the world in different timeframes. and what's nice is that the actors actually speak in their given languages...unlike most american/canadian/english films that take place abroad where everyone speaks english anyway with english accents. samuel jackson is in it too...

delicatessen is also excellent. yes. yes. i wonder if its out on dvd yet...

i have mixed feelings about THX 1138. i'll have to see it again.

[bodhisattva yoda]

what's lone wolf and cub?

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">Oh I want to read Lone Wolf and Cub, as well as Blade of the Immortal!!!!!

I also want to check out a story called Journey to the East? I think it is. Apparantly the live action series called Monkey that I enjoyed so much as a kid is based upon it.

I was sad to find out though that the lady who played the Priest Tripitaka died of leukemia a while back though. Although the guy who played Monkey is still pretty popular back in Japan apparantly.

Apparantly the anime Saiyuki is also based on the story so I want to check out that too.</span></span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

nerfer... know of any good anime websites...or just japanese cinema websites? any that are really, like, you know, thorough?

[bodhisattva yoda]

here's the cover for the city of lost children, by the way, for those of you that are unfamiliar with it. this is one of those cases where you actually can judge a movie by its cover (sorta):

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000K3TS.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Handothrawn]

A good one is Charlton Heston's The Omega Man, and then there is always George Romero's Dawn of the Dead, go watch DOTD now, before James Gunn's remake hits theatres, go now, before its too late!

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">Well the lone wolf and cub I'm talking about is actually a manga.</span></span>

Anime news site (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com)

Anime site and forums (http://www.animenation.net/forums)

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">Well I hope those links are useful Bodhi, although I have to admit I haven't been to Animenation in a while since I've been going to an Inuyasha site mainly to post my fanfic.</span></span>

[bodhisattva yoda]

thanks nerfer. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif

i don't like charlton heston and therefor have a bias against all of his movies...

i'm not too familiar with george ramero, but i wasn't real impressed with night of the living dead... i don't have anything against B movies, just B movie acting that isn't actually supposed to be over the top... when it's supposed to be dramatic, B movie acting is usually terrible.

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Aug 12 2003, 06:20 AM
what's lone wolf and cub?
ya, it's also in manga
but I was referring to the 6 films made in the 70s - classic samuri splatter films style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

do ya like samurai films, bendu?

i think you should watch some zatoichi films. i know you'll like them. everything about them is great. the cinematography (shot in super widescreen) to the music (which is what i usually hate about kurosawa films, especially the cheesy music in seven samurai) to the acting, to the sword fights...which are brief but very satisfying and very well coreographed (another thing that i've found that's lacking in kurosawa films)... and the best part is is that (from what i've seen, which is about fifteen films) they're ALL great. i mean, as standalone films they're all great...the continuity is perfect because the same actor assumes the role of zatoichi (unlike 007 films or star wars) and just, damnit. watch them!

[one with many names]

If you like War movies i suggest Tora Tora Tora and The longest day.

The original War of The Worlds is another good one. Also The Survivers with Robin Williams and Walter Matheu(the guy from grumpier old men).

[bodhisattva yoda]

war movies are okay... i'm a pacifist so a movie like 'the patriot' doesn't really do much for me. i did like braveheart though. and full metal jacket is good. and well, saving private ryan too. what wars are tora tora tora and the longest day about?

has anyone seen tetsuo 2? or the first one? they're like japanese cyberpunk classics...and supposedly very disturbing.

[likum]

The Longest Day? I hope you're not talking about the one with John Wayne. I saw that one. I do not think I will ever be the same again. the horror of a John Wayne movie is just too much for me. I've seen a lot of horror movies in my day, and that was by far the scariest. And it wasn't even a horror film!!! I have never seen a good john wayne movie. and I have seen a lot, since my dad has a frickin' collection.

[Handothrawn]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Aug 13 2003, 12:13 AM


i'm not too familiar with george ramero, but i wasn't real impressed with night of the living dead... i don't have anything against B movies, just B movie acting that isn't actually supposed to be over the top... when it's supposed to be dramatic, B movie acting is usually terrible.
Did you see the color or B&W version? That could your opinion alot.

[bodhisattva yoda]

that could what my opinion a lot?

yeah. it was the black and white version. the original version, right? is there a remake?

[bodhisattva yoda]

don't get me wrong though. i'm not a horror fanatic, but i do like gore. return of the living dead was pretty good because it didn't take itself too seriously. i have to say though, 28 days later is the best zombie movie i've seen so far.

i wish they would have made a decent film version of resident evil. those games freak me out.

i actually prefer like, actual horror over thrills. like, the ring was pretty freaky. i wish there were more scary movies like that. horror movies should never have heavy metal soundtracks.

[RollaFett]

Some other forgotten, or overlooked flicks:
'Election'
'In the Company of Men'
'You Can Count On Me'
'Amelie' (French)

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. the second two are great. amelie was directed by something jeunet who also directed the films metioned earlier (co-directed anyway, with marc caro)- the city of lost children and delicatessen.
you can count on me i like a lot too, but it's hard to say why. it actually feels realistic i guess. it feels natural. you can truly relate to the characters.
election was okay...
in the company of men seemed sorta pretentious to me.

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Aug 13 2003, 07:34 PM
war movies are okay... i'm a pacifist so a movie like 'the patriot' doesn't really do much for me. i did like braveheart though. and full metal jacket is good. and well, saving private ryan too. what wars are tora tora tora and the longest day about?

has anyone seen tetsuo 2? or the first one? they're like japanese cyberpunk classics...and supposedly very disturbing.
check out Things to Come if you want to see a really old anti-war sci-fi flick.

'Tetsuo!!'
'Kanada!!'

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. i think of akira when i hear that name too. and whenever i hear 'kurosawa'

[bodhisattva yoda]

i've decided that i love avalon. it's just unlike any other film (liveaction, anyway).

and i said that simply to give this thread a bump.

[Axis]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Aug 13 2003, 11:23 PM
Some other forgotten, or overlooked flicks:
'Election'
'In the Company of Men'
'Amelie' (French)
Election and In the Company of Men are both quality. Especially the former, which is probably (aside from Heathers) the best highschool satire ever made. Amelie has amazing cinematography, but the story is entirely drab and cliche. Your better off just getting City of Lost Children or Delicatessan. They used the same style in their earlier films, only less polished and with better stories.

Overlooked:

Crumb - an overwhelmingly personal documentary about cartoonist Robert Crumb and his...uh...eccentric family.

Man Bites Dog - fictional documentary style film about a camera crew who follows a serial killer around documenting his actions. Problems arise when he starts asking them to participate in the murders.

Dead Man - Quality western, i'm not not much of a fan of the genre. Johnny Depp stars as "William Blake" an acountant who migrates to a town called "Machine" for a job. Unbeknownst to him, the town is populated by homicidal maniacs. Neil Young wrote the excellent score by, essentially, sitting down and jamming with the film.

[bodhisattva yoda]

as much as i like amelie, i have to agree that 'city' and 'delicatessen' are superior films. more, i dunno, inventive and surreal.

crumb is very good. that guy is WEIRD. but i like him. he turns his perversions and misogyny into art. well, "art" anyway.

i haven't seen man bites dog, but i've heard good things.

dead man is very good, but i don't think i've seen it all the way thru. i remember some pretty hilarious scenes though. grizzly ones too (cannabalism. strangely realistic cannabalism.)
i must see it again. i may just buy it because i've seen it on dvd for fifteen dollars. dvds are getting so cheap, and yet, i'm spending more and more money on them.

speaking of jim jarmuch (sp?!) films (dead man), another great film is 'the way of the samurai staring forrest whitaker as a bohemian hitman that lives on a rooftop with a bunch of pigeons and reads samurai philosophy and stuff. i forgot all about this film until someone mentioned dead man..

[Axis]

Ghost Dog was entertaining. Although is still dont quite understand why they had those little exerpts from The Way of the Samurai in between scenes, when those exerpts didnt at all reflect what was going on in the scenes. It was funny though.

Dead Man is probably my favorite Jaramusch, but Down By Law and Mystery Train are also quality.

[bodhisattva yoda]

i think dead man and way of the samurai are the only films of his i've seen...

the exerpts did so reflect what was going on...
i think.. i'll have to watch it again, but the one exerpt i remember recommended that wandering samurai bring rouge with them to touch up their complexion when they wake up and look pallid in unfamiliar places. then there was the scene of ghost dog in the snazzy suit early in the morning (or a shot of him stealing the suit, or something involving the suit)

[bodhisattva yoda]

has anyone seen or heard of a film called 'jump tomorrow'?

i saw a preview for it like, three years ago and it looked excellent, but it was never actually released in a theatre nearby and i never got to see it. i've been anxiously awaiting its release on dvd, and it's FINALLY coming out in september. i have fond memories of that trailer i saw for it, and since it's only fifteen dollars, i may just buy it.

[one with many names]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Aug 13 2003, 07:34 PM
What wars are tora tora tora and the longest day about?


The longest day is about the D-day invasion of northern france in WW2. Tora! Tora! Tora! is about the attack on Pearl Harbor by the Japapness and is much Much! better then Pearl Harbor.

[Mann]

I love the Longest Day, one of the great films of all time. I do think John Wayne was miscast, but it's ok cause the other make up for it. It was also Sean Connery's film before James Bond. Robert MItchum was the best in the film.

Tora Tora Tora was a film that needed to be edited down. It's a great movie, but it would have been better if it wasn't so long. Pearl Harbor is one of the worst films ever made.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Aug 18 2003, 05:39 AM
Pearl Harbor is one of the worst films ever made.
I've seen worse, much worse.

[bodhisattva yoda]

what's worse?

from what i've seen of pearl harbor (which isn't much), it's a lot like a commercial for, i dunno, prescription drugs, say, that attempts to manipulate your emotions. it doesn't succeed, mind you.

[Brian]

Originally posted by nerfer@Aug 12 2003, 02:12 AM
<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">I want to see The Princess Blade, Moo and I are really looking forward to The Last Samurai, and I can't wait to see Kill Bill.

Hmmm good movies I'd reccomend. Farewell my Concubine is an amazing movie, go see it!</span></span>
Oooh! I've seen The Princess Bride! Great movie! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif <--- MSI

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Aug 18 2003, 05:22 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Aug 18 2003, 05:22 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Aug 18 2003, 05:39 AM
Pearl Harbor is one of the worst films ever made.
I've seen worse, much worse. [/b][/quote]
well good for you, but This about ranks as one of the worst movies of all time. Right up there with Rollerball.

[Mann]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Aug 18 2003, 05:30 PM
what's worse?

from what i've seen of pearl harbor (which isn't much), it's a lot like a commercial for, i dunno, prescription drugs, say, that attempts to manipulate your emotions. it doesn't succeed, mind you.
Bingo. This movie tries way too hard to make you feel for the characters.

[bodhisattva yoda]

i watched ET last night. now that's an emotional movie.

two more movies i'd like to recommend are punch drunk love and hard eight. these are paul thomas anderson's latest and first films (respectively), and, in my opinion, his best. he's renowned for boogie nights and magnolia, but i prefer his more low-profile 'indie' films.

[Javen]

Originally posted by Mann+Aug 18 2003, 01:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Aug 18 2003, 01:03 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 18 2003, 05:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Aug 18 2003, 05:39 AM
Pearl Harbor is one of the worst films ever made.
I've seen worse, much worse.
well good for you, but This about ranks as one of the worst movies of all time. Right up there with Rollerball. [/b][/quote]
There is no way way you can put in the catergory of Rollerball. Although, it is very close. Rollerball pretty much stands alone as one of the worst films of all time.

[bodhisattva yoda]

are we talking about the original or the remake? i haven't seen either.

[Mann]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Aug 18 2003, 08:12 PM
are we talking about the original or the remake? i haven't seen either.
remake. It is basically the worst remake of all time.

[bodhisattva yoda]

i don't doubt it.

i'd like to encourage anyone posting movie suggestions to consider including a webpage link or a dvd box cover or movie poster or production still or something.

here's the link for avalon: http://www.avalon-movie.com/index.asp and a film still:
http://www.cineart.be/avalon/ava-pict10.jpg

here's a box cover for zatoichi vol. 11:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000A02TT.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[bodhisattva yoda]

wes anderson is a genius. these are his films. watch them, or, you know, DIE .

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000640VJ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00003Q42P.01.TZZZZZZZ.jpghttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/0767821408.01.TZZZZZZZ.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

these are probably my favorite coen brothers films. i love them all, but their new one which will be released soon, intolerable cruelty, strangely, looks like crap (and sounds like it too).

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00007ELEL.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006CXGZ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00008RH3J.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[bodhisattva yoda]

and here's some (good) anime:

first three are obligatory classics.
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6304493681.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005JG6Q.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00003CXBK.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[bodhisattva yoda]

here are some personal favorites:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6303481310.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005JLEU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000639HL.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[bodhisattva yoda]

also:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000JL3V.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005UW7F.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305951640.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

the reason i'm posting these here rather than the anime thread is that i think these films should have appeal to those outside of anime fandom. these are excellent films in their own right.

[brookie]

if you guys are in to horro flicks even just a little... watch SLEEP AWAY CAMP
IT IS THE sh*t

also i just saw house of 1000 corpses....

written and directed by rob zombie... it is so good, you know i figured it would be cause horro movies are like rob zobies life. check it out

[bodhisattva yoda]

egh.. no thanks. that movie just looks obnoxious. i like effective horror. not horror for the sake of blood and guts. i prefer a bit of subtlety.

[brookie]

truly thought, the blood and guts in sleepaway camp is kept to a minimum as well as 1000corpses. sleepaway camp isnt all about blood and guts ... its a horror classic

[bodhisattva yoda]

here's a horror classic. it's not outright frightening, but it's creepy and has fantastic, artfully surreal cinematography.
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004W3HF.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

here's a recent horror film that starts off really kinda warm and comfortable and not much like a horror film at all and then gets really weird and creepy.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000640S9.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Jors_Dedon]

I'd apprectiate it if all of you (who haven't already) would watch "Big Trouble in Little China". Kurt Russell is awesome. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Mann]

Originally posted by Jors_Dedon@Aug 23 2003, 07:00 PM
I'd apprectiate it if all of you (who haven't already) to go watch "Big Trouble in Little China". Kurt Russell is awesome. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
better Kurt Russell Movies are Backdraft, Escape from New York, and Tombstone.

[bodhisattva yoda]

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[Mann]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Aug 23 2003, 11:45 PM
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif
huh?

[Greedo Boy]

If you haven't seen Lord of the Rings, or have seen them and think they aren't good, you ought to die.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Greedo Boy@Aug 24 2003, 04:14 AM
If you haven't seen Lord of the Rings, or have seen them and think they aren't good, you ought to die.
die while watching the movies... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Greedo Boy]

better if they die after the movie

[Mann]

exactly

[bodhisattva yoda]

okay, my scowl was due to the fact that people are discussing not only mainstream films, but mainstream kurt russel films.

and lord of the rings is just great, but absolutely everyone is aware of it.

[bodhisattva yoda]

i bought this today for fifteen bucks and i'm glad i did. i need to see jim jarmusch's other films.
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004Z4WX.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

i also got this which is just timeless. the acting and humor don't seem dated at all (except for the heil hitler bit)...other than that, this film seems like it could have been made yesterday.
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000055Y0X.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Greedo Boy]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Aug 24 2003, 10:57 PM
and lord of the rings is just great, but absolutely everyone is aware of it.
Sadly, that statement is not entirely true. There are those fiends who say that it was boring (they fell asleep while watching it), the acting was bad, the casing sucked, everything was cg (no, it was not AOTC). What I'm trying to say is, that a select few blasphemers are due for execution quite soon.

[Javen]

What is the movie Dead Man about?

[bodhisattva yoda]

dead man isn't really heavy on plot. it's a western. in black and white. but not a typical western by any account. i'm not a fan of traditional westerns. johnny depp plays an accountant who travels to the west for a job offer and ends up wanted for murder and is persued by three bounty hunters and befriends a wacky indian in the process. it's sort of a tragic comedy.

[Mann]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Aug 25 2003, 03:57 AM
okay, my scowl was due to the fact that people are discussing not only mainstream films, but mainstream kurt russel films.

and lord of the rings is just great, but absolutely everyone is aware of it.
you'd be suprised that people bash it BECAUSE it is good and they are jealous.

[Greedo Boy]

I totally agree, man.

[RollaFett]

It still seems as though you're missing the point of this thread.

[Greedo Boy]

Me? Of course I am. I don't even know what thread I'm posting in anymore.

[DblDwn]

Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead, starring Andy Garcia, is a very good, underrated movie.

And if you haven't seen Swingers yet you need to get up and run, don't walk, to the video store.







NOW! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

i saw swingers. is there really a subculture like that? people with like, huge wallet chains (that aren't skaters)...more like...zoot suit type chains or something... what was WITH those chains?

i saw a trailer for things to do in denver when your dead just recently. i can't remember how i felt about it...

[DblDwn]

Yeah, the wallet chain isn't my cup o tea but the movie is the money.

American History X is another powerful movie.

[bodhisattva yoda]

yup. slightly melodramatic but good. it didn't seem at all melodramtic the first time i watched it though.

[bodhisattva yoda]

you've all chosen...DEATH. cinematic infidels!

[bodhisattva yoda]

this may seem strange to some, but this is my favorite monty python film.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000A0MFJ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Mann]

I saw Things to do in Denver... and i was blown away by it's unbelievabilty. It was so far out there, and yet i was hooked. Christopher lloyd is very good. andy Garcia has been better, this wasn't the right role for him. Treat williams was pitch perfect. The movie gets a 2.75 rating for me. Admirable, but too bizarre.

Oh the chic that was in it was really hot.

[bodhisattva yoda]

anyone aware of any good korean films? there are two recent ones that look very interesting. one is called 'natural city' which is some trippy action sci-fi film, and the other is called 'my wife is a gangster 2' which is presumably the sequel to 'my wife is a gangster'...both look very interesting, however, i don't think i've ever seen a korean film before...

natural city:
http://themoviebox.net/trailers/trailers_pics/naturalcitywall.jpg

my wife is a gangster 2:
http://www.kungfucinema.com/images/temporary/2003-09-01-01.jpg

[Axis]

Originally posted by Mann+Aug 29 2003, 10:42 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Aug 29 2003, 10:42 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-bodhisattva yoda@Aug 25 2003, 03:57 AM
okay, my scowl was due to the fact that people are discussing not only mainstream films, but mainstream kurt russel films.

and lord of the rings is just great, but absolutely everyone is aware of it.
you'd be suprised that people bash it BECAUSE it is good and they are jealous. [/b][/quote]
You're really very simple arent you. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that the story is boring and unengaging, it's entirely predictable, and there is one three dimensional character in THE ENTIRE MOVIE (Gollum). I always find movies, and novels like this to be very insulting. If there is one thing i HATE it's knowing exactly whats going to happen in the end. I fail to see why i have to sit through three, 3 hour movies just to watch Frodo inevitably flick the ring into the lava, because we all know it's going to happen, and there isnt going to be much surprise to be had when he does. I can't even explain how much i regret wasting time on those insipid meandering novels. But, dont mind me, i'm just jealous. http://www.alternight.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

For those who havent already, check out:

Tetsuo: The Iron Man (Cyberpunk story about a man who begins to dream that his body is becoming infused with metallic parts, when he awakes he discovers that it's actually happening to him. Sorta like if you got Cronenburg to direct Akira)

Straw Dogs (An old Dustin Hoffman gem about an young math professor and his wife who move to England. Our heros masculinity is called into question when the men working on his farm begin to harass his wife, this flick ends in a pretty harsh climax in which Hoffman has to protect his home from a mob. Check out the uncensored version if possible)

Picnic at Hanging Rock (A pretty mindboggling horror story, because it actually happened. A group of young Australian girls go on a fieldtrip to a volcanic rock with their school. 3 of them mysteriously disappear)

[bodhisattva yoda]

of course we know what's going to happen. we always know the good guy will win in the end in hollywood adventure films. we all know how episode three is going to end, more or less. but what about the tremendous visuals?

i'm really interested in seeing tetsuo and tetsuo two (have you seen two?). how is the cinematography? the only way i'm going to see these films is if i purchase them. is it worth it?

[Darth Vegas]

Axis, if you really think the Lord of the Rings is predictable (granted the films are since the story is 50 years old) than try telling me exactly how the films ends, you'd never guess it, it's a real twist, but have your go at it, I dare ya'.

[bodhisattva yoda]

NOOOO!

[bodhisattva yoda]

listen. this is not a spoiler thread for lord of the rings. he's read the books. i don't want to know how it ends, so please, keep it to yourself.

[Mann]

It's true, they did change the ending partially, which i can agree with since it kinda is hard to imagine on film.

[Mann]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 4 2003, 01:51 AM
listen. this is not a spoiler thread for lord of the rings. he's read the books. i don't want to know how it ends, so please, keep it to yourself.
They changed it Bodhi, so we want to know how Axis sees it ending.

[bodhisattva yoda]

oh. they changed the ending? still. say nothing more! i implore you!

[Darth Vegas]

Bodhi, I don't think he really has read the book, hence his comment that Frodo flicks the ring into the lava, not even close to what happens.

There must be some reason why The Lord of the Rings is not only the most popular fiction book of all time but it's also one of the biggest movie franchises of all time.

[bodhisattva yoda]

okay. you just spoiled it. do you do that on purpose? i've noticed that you do that a lot. you should get a time out.

[Darth Vegas]

First off Bodhi, we all know the ring gets destroyed it's inevitable and we're talking about a 50 year old book here, second , Axis posted that first and I was merely correcting him without saying how it actually does happen, third you should read the damn book before seeing the movie. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

i can just see the complaints mounting as episode 3 approaches. you're a liability.

[Darth Vegas]

Well as Pabs said in his chat tonight, we've known much of what happens in Episode 3 since the original Star Wars novel was released.

[bodhisattva yoda]

you. not we. stop assuming that everyone knows these things.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 3 2003, 06:09 PM
you. not we. stop assuming that everyone knows these things.
Dude, if you've ever seen the Original Trilogy you know, everyone knows, it's the how and why that's not known.

[Darth Vegas]

Whatever happened to setting Axis straight?

[bodhisattva yoda]

you've always got something to prove...

back to recommending movies that nobody will watch. i'm sure plenty of people have seen this, but for those that haven't, this is a sci-fi classic:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0790729628.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Darth Vegas]

Hope this makes things clear for you.

Originally posted by Axis@Sep 3 2003, 03:48 PM
I fail to see why i have to sit through three, 3 hour movies just to watch Frodo inevitably flick the ring into the lava, because we all know it's going to happen...

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. i know what he said. i got it. he still didn't spoil it as he was (apparently) wrong. and i assumed that's actually what happens from the start, so i didn't feel he was spoiling anything. you, however, spoiled the surprise.

[Darth Vegas]

I only said that he was wrong in this thread, and you can't really call anything based on a 50 year old book a spoiler. And with that I'm done with this childish nonsense.

[bodhisattva yoda]

good!

[bodhisattva yoda]

okay. from this point on, i'm officially proclaiming this a SPOILER-FREE thread, no matter what kind of point you have to prove.

[Darth Vegas]

I think you should take a time out.

[bodhisattva yoda]

maybe i should.

another sci-fi classic that you kids should watch.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/34/003_TWELVEMARP.jpg

[bodhisattva yoda]

http://www.hugereviews.net/images/Movies/12_Monkeys/12_mon5b.jpg

[bodhisattva yoda]

when you have people with shaved heads in sci-fi films, it's almost guaranteed to be good.

[Axis]

Come on, people, you've managed to master typing and internet navigation, you mean to tell me that you couldn't tell i was being facetious? Obviously Frodo doesnt literally flick the ring into the lava, but this isnt The Usual Suspects, there's nothing new or original going on in this story. I pity you if you cant figure out that the movies are going to end happily with the ring safely destroy, it's one big fairy tale.

The reason these movies are doing so well is that there are a bunch of people who find it accessible, but just because there are doesnt mean there isnt a crowd who doesnt appreciate them. What originally annoyed me about some of your comments was your assertion that anyone who doesnt like these flicks is "jealous". Phenomenally idiotic statement.

Unfortunatly, I did read the novels, but since someone expressed that they dont want the exact spolers so i wont post them. I'm not sure i can even remember what exactly happened, but i remember thinking: "Finally its over."

Not realizing there was another fifty pages of hobbits. Bad memories.

[bodhisattva yoda]

thanks for respecting my wishes.
lord of the rings isn't your cup of tea. i can accept that.
now back to the intent of the thread:

http://datacore.sciflicks.com/12_monkeys/images/12_monkeys_large_11.jpg

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>What originally annoyed me about some of your comments was your assertion that anyone who doesnt like these flicks is "jealous". Phenomenally idiotic statement.[/b][/quote]

Wow. Phenomenally? I reached that pinnacle? I didn't realize that. but hey, guess what, you can't exactly read huh? i said

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>you'd be suprised that people bash it BECAUSE it is good and they are jealous. [/b][/quote]

Did i say: All people that bash this movie are jealous? No i'm not. I just said people. That doesn't say all people in the world because most people love it. It's to say a group.

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Unfortunatly, I did read the novels, but since someone expressed that they dont want the exact spolers so i wont post them. I'm not sure i can even remember what exactly happened, but i remember thinking: "Finally its over."

Not realizing there was another fifty pages of hobbits. Bad memories.
[/b][/quote]

Well that's your problem. Since you actually think *blah* had anything to do with *blah* being destroyed, you might want to read better.

[bodhisattva yoda]

okay. what the f*ck. get out of my thread.

[brookie]

bodhi.. i freakin loove bladerunner... do you think he was a replica or no? i think that he might have been.

[bodhisattva yoda]

not in the film. no. i mean, it's not really very pertinent in the film... unless you're refering to the book. the film only has a passing reference to it, and that was the director's cut scene of the unicorn dream, which, it is my understanding, was supposed to suggest that he is in fact human.

[bodhisattva yoda]

what other films do you love, brookie? my thread is dying.

[brookie]

ok .. you know in the film.. that the women who was a replica her eyes glowed when they hit the light at a certian angle.. the same went for deckard his eyes glowed i really dont know i havent read the book and i reall y want to but school just started back up so i have no time for casual reading i will pick it up in the future! on t thing i do know is that the question on whether or not deckard is a replica remains questionable and well always be debated all in all what a great flick! right? hmmmmmmmmmm style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif whats your fav part?

[bodhisattva yoda]

hard to say. i like the film mainly for the visuals and atmosphere. in terms of story and whatnot, the book much better. i love the shots of the city though. and the shots from within tyrell's office at dusk. ...and every time i see those damn "these are my friends" walking dolls, i get really creeped out.

[bodhisattva yoda]

take a look at this, actually. only don't spoil anything for anyone! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/825641.stm (spoiler, obviously)
this is very interesting. if you have something to say, type in invisible spoiler mode, however you do that.

[brookie]

i like all kinds of movies
hold on ill just post all my DVDS
YOU?

[bodhisattva yoda]

well, just take a look at the thread for all the films i've recommended. my all time favorite movie (although i do hate to choose favorites) would have to be the royal tenenbaums though.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 3 2003, 08:30 PM
okay. what the f*ck. get out of my thread.
Just because you started it that doesn't make it your thread.

Discussing why someone should watch LOTR and why someone doesn't like it actually purtains to the topic of the thread so settle down and eat a garden burger or some tofu or something.

[bodhisattva yoda]

i did sound angry, didn't i. i apologize for that.
people just wouldn't stop with the spoilers though, after i had asked repeatedly for people not to use them. and yeah, i understand this isn't actually my thread and i have no right to just kick mann out. i was just expressing a bit of frustration is all.

[DblDwn]

No worries

[bodhisattva yoda]

that did appear to come out much harsher than i intended though. i'm really not an angry person. that should be interpreted as an imploring whine more than like, a commanding yell or something.

[brookie]

clerks
mallrats
dogma
quills
iris
holy smoke
jude (im a huge kate winslet fan can you tell?)
heavenly creatures!!! so good must rent!
simpsons 1 2 and 3
own all of stanley kubrecks movies
moulin roouge
seven
fight club
braveheart
bladerunner
lotr 1 and 2
gummo
the messenger
tpm
aotc
and not on dvd the star wars
those are just a few i have more but too lazy..

[brookie]

hey bodhi.. you dont need to apologize for sqwat! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. heavenly creatures is good.
i feel that kevin smith is terribly overrated. his last film stunk terribly.
and is holy smoke with kate winslet on drugs and whizzing herself?
and... how can you watch gummo more than once?
also, david fincher is brilliant.

[brookie]

oh no way!!! i love kevin smith he is funny as SH*T i just really enjoy his wit
yeah holy smoke is about more than just her whizzing on herself its good.. no she wasnt on drugs
yeah gummo is hard to swallow but that is the point

[bodhisattva yoda]

i dunno...i used to think kevin smith was witty myself but...egh...he seems kind of juevinile to me now. not that i've matured greatly or anything... he just seems like he's still a teenager. like. i dunno. his humor just isn't that sophisticated. he even looks like a teenager in the way he dresses, and says f*ck a lot just because he can and he even dresses like a highschooler. and he's a terrible actor. and really, i just don't like the man very much. but that's me, and i can be overly judgemental.

if kate winslet wasn't on drugs, then maybe i was. in fact, i'm pretty sure i saw that movie stoned... and it was a particularly trippy film, wasn't it? see, i don't even remember it...

gummo is disturbing. this is true. not because it has anything in particular that other movies don't... it isn't more violent or anything. but it depicts kids that actually act like that, which is the disturbing part.

[brookie]

dont you hate when you watch movies stoned and then sometimes you wont even remembered you saw it? hahahah yeah.. that used to happen alot.. yeah i understnd your point of view some think that about kevin but i just think its good fun and he has funny one liners and when i was in high school i reall y liked mallrats i can recite it even... but yes.. i have grown up and now i really enjoy cerks.. common man clerks ruled.. the other day this guy walks into the video store that i work in and says" they always say so much but they never tell you if its good or not" omg that was soo funny i think i was the only one that got that. the poor guy was serious too... poor *******

[brookie]

i mean common you dont think that my signature is funny? thats from dogma

he even says it himself he doesnt know how he made a living making dick and fark jokes and he swears soo much so smith is well aware that he s one lucky guy and i think he is high- larious style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

clerks is definitely his best film. in fact, clerks is a pretty good film. he got increasingly pretentious as he became more successful, i think.

i think some of my favorite movies are actually some of the best films to watch stoned...but i don't think i'm supposed to talk about this here.. so i suppose i better stop.

[bodhisattva yoda]

i used to think jay was hilarious. his antics got old though, i guess. and the star wars references in kevin smith films also got old.

[brookie]

i get it yeah.... i suppose we shouldnt

and yeah his films are juvenille but i guess i juvenille too.. im just a big kid


do you know what movie i really enjoyed that everyone thought sucked? i know your gonna make fun of me but i loved swept away!! it was good even though madonna cant act but she really just played herself which is.... a b*tch and i enjoyed it immensely

[bodhisattva yoda]

i can't make fun of you as i haven't seen it yet. i can't say i'm a very big madonna fan though. i do like guy richie's other films (although they're heavily flawed and the humor is quite repetitive). i'll pick it up at the library next time i see it available.

[brookie]

no way... his star war refrences and jaws references are classic and i can appreciate them.. its just come to be expected and a tradition of sorts..

[brookie]

yeah i think you will be pleasently suprised
yeah i can appreciate madonna for what she is... but she sux as an actress. can i call call her that? actress. ummm i dont think so.. hmmm

[brookie]

i see that you like kong fu movies or something? got any recomendations?

[bodhisattva yoda]

i also don't think kevin smith has any vision. i mean, say what you will about his scripts, but the way his films are shot don't evoke, well, anything. i mean, they're shot practically. i find films that are shot pratically without much thought going into the cinematography sorta boring. that's one of the (many) reasons i love wes anderson films. so much effort goes into the cinematography, and wes is responsible for much of it (as indicated in documentaries when he's figuring out camera angles and whatnot). i like films that are fastidiously crafted.

[bodhisattva yoda]

firstly, that's kUng fu, and secondly, zatoichi is japanese. kung fu is chinese. but yes, i WOULD recommend the entire zatoichi film series (26 films in all) although i haven't seen all of them yet. but what i've seen are all fantastic.

[brookie]

i mean madonna played a b*tch in dick tracey and she wasnt bad.....hmmm yeah

[bodhisattva yoda]

that's true. she isn't a terrible actress. i just have disdain for pop stardom.

[brookie]

oh well whatever i dont knopw much about it.. wait i know nothing about the genre ill check it out the other day i was in virgin mega stroe and saw those dvds (the series you just refered to) and thought hey! where have i seen that before... ahh yes the gs and the ifc channel!!!!

[bodhisattva yoda]

oh! you have IFC! so you can expose yourself to zatochi! (don't worry, he's blind)

[brookie]

oh yes and by the way I MENT to type kung fu not Kong ! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif ufh!

[brookie]

yes! hahahha next time i see it on i will have to check it out but it hasnt been on recently

Any others?

[bodhisattva yoda]

cool. i hope that you do. i own the eleven that have been released on dvd. i'm a big fan, as you may be able to tell. and i have ifc to thank. do you like animation?

[brookie]

you know i havent gotten into it i mean there is always this section in wizard magazine thats all about the manga and stuff but i always skip over it i ve seen all the ones that everyone else has.. like akira and pricess monoke, perfect blue and some others like that i never got into it .. some times i think its rather boring.. and this one time i rented one that looked cool called like campus zombie and it ened up being a porn which i thought was rather gross cause it was monsters and vampires and stuff hahaha

got any that you dont think are too masculine and actually has a good story?

[bodhisattva yoda]

princess mononoke isn't masculine!

let's see... you should definitely watch spirited away. i don't really know what else to recommend that isn't, you know, violent. give me a minute here.

[brookie]

no no no i love violence i dont know what i ment by the masculine thing just disregard that

[brookie]

whats a real good bloody one
and i dont mind sex either just not involving non humans (no offense to the non humans out there)

[bodhisattva yoda]

okay well...ghost in the shell is hard to recommend to you because it has gratuitous nudity (but tasteful, in my opinion) and gratuituos violence (just an exploding head or two) and it's somewhat political and very philosophical, and even many anime fans find it boring, but it's a beautiful film, and since you have an appreciation for blade runner, you may just like it. it has a lot of futuristic city imagery (realistic though) and explores some similar terrain.

roujin Z is also very good. some people feel that the animation is dated, but i think it's actually quite well done (though at a relatively low frame rate). it's a hilarious movie though, and totally original.

[brookie]

ive seen ghost in the shell i like it all right and i love blood and guts and stuff and sex.. that i dont mind i just think its all rather slow.. ya know?

[bodhisattva yoda]

oh. you LIKE violence!? you're just my type! okay so, ghost in the shell definitely then, despite the deliberate pacing...

you didn't like akira? it's probably one of the most violent films ever made, anime or otherwise.

[bodhisattva yoda]

hm. your attention span is problematic for good anime...

[brookie]

noo i just think its slow i mean some people like it and some dont i can appreciate the art and what not ...blah blah.. well you know just never have been into it dont you think that after i have seen perfect blue and all the others that i would like it? but i dont style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[brookie]

silly me

[bodhisattva yoda]

i wasn't big on perfect blue.
okay. make me a comprehensive list of what you've seen, and what you've liked (if any) and what you've hated.

[brookie]

ok well you see.. i though that they all were.. well.. mediocre i never understood why everyones all like .. oww akira oww i loved it. ..... nahh not for me
i guess i f i had to pick one it would be perfect blue the rest i didnt like..

i have no desire to see spirited away but i will if you see swept away!

[bodhisattva yoda]

i will. i promise i will.
is it just anime you're not interested in or animation in general?

[brookie]

anime what do you mean by animation/?

if you mean like cartoon network and friggin disney and stuff i love that!

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. animation. cartoons. anything animated. anime would be specifically japanese animation. if you like disney, you'll probably like spirited away.

[brookie]

cartoons rule!!! i love cartoons good ones at least my fav disney movie is sleeping beauty and i cant wait for it to come out on dvd.. its comming soon! whats your fav?

[bodhisattva yoda]

favorite disney film? my favorite disney film might have to be sword in the stone. i also like the emperor's new groove quite a bit and i'm anxiously awaiting the release of the lion king. if you like silly cartoons, have i recommend dragon-half, which is anime, but it's hilarious. and it's comprised of two short episodes, so it's impaired attention span-friendly.

[brookie]

no ill look into it

you know i love sword in the stone thats my second

have you ever seen a movie called the flight of dragons?
it soo great it by the same animators as the hobbit and wind in the willows i used to watch it when i was a kid its so bad ass ive looked everywhere to buy it and i couldnt find it but i just recently ordered it form my vedio store.. i think you could rent it at blockbuser if its a good blockbuster

[bodhisattva yoda]

i've never heard of it, actually. but i'm always searching for good animation.

[bodhisattva yoda]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0790742624.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
i'm assuming that i shouldn't be judging it by its cover... ???

[brookie]

awww its sooo sweet mmmmmmmm dragons....

[brookie]

ohh hell no i was just getting say to day that they must have redone the cover no they make it look pansy it soo is not it is bad ass!!!! the animation looks nothing like that promise!
i hate that cover!

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. i believe you. there are a lot of great animated films that suffer from childish video covers. especially from the eighties.
this looks like it could be interesting.
http://www.dracoslair.net/FODrags3.jpg

[brookie]

have you ever seen the dark crystal? i remember seeing it when i was young i guess but now i totally have forgotten it.. is it worth the time?

[bodhisattva yoda]

i own it. it's good if you like jim henson stuff, but it's really slow compared to labrynth. speaking of jim henson, have you seen any episodes of the storyteller miniseries? i have vague recollections of it, i think. they recently released it on dvd.

[brookie]

yes i remember! my friend was actually just talking about it.. with all the weird puppets? r u going to get the dvd?

[bodhisattva yoda]

yes. i intended to buy it the other day, but borders doesn't carry it... i also intended to buy the peanuts christmas special soundtrack today, but borders doesn't carry that either. no where does. apparently, they only sell it during christmas time with all the other promotional holiday items...
but yes! i will buy it shortly.

[brookie]

yeah same thing with cornuts! they only sell them in the store during holidays stinks! cause i love them (wait shouldnt i have posted that in food er something?)

[bodhisattva yoda]

they don't sell corn nuts year round? where the hell do you live?

[brookie]

yeah well when i go home to CT TO SEE MY PARENTS THEY DIDNT HAVE THEM at stop n shop but they did have the little bags of plain.. which i get sick of and i go to school in NJ and they dont have them anywhere!!!!

[bodhisattva yoda]

i live in CT. and goddamnit. i work at stop and shop. but you're right. i haven't seen anyone buy them, so uh, i guess i believe you.

[brookie]

you should check ! seriously no ranch or bbq flavor do you knw where i found them in ct? a freckin rite aid! and they were plain!!! too salty

[bodhisattva yoda]

where in CT are you from? i'm in weston, outside of westport. i've lived here for a year now, but i might as well have lived here for a week with all i know about the place.

[brookie]

westport is along the shore right... i live (lived )in old saybrook near old lyme along the shore umm around madison and killingworth

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. i'm about twenty minutes away from the beach. i don't know where those places you mentioned are. i'm geographically impaired, you see. i've moved so much that i don't even bother trying to learn.

[brookie]

yeah me too ive moved a lot i lived in ct for 4 years i liked it alot its pretty there

[bodhisattva yoda]

if you like...trees. anyway, where i live there's mostly just trees. at night it's really creepy because there are no street lights and fog covers parts of road like something out of a horror movie.

[brookie]

yeah i know ok well gg to bed... ttyl if you ever want to im check my profile and you will see my name
nice talkin movies! peace

[bodhisattva yoda]

goodnight brookie....which rhymes with cookie...
i don't think this is a coincidence...

[Axis]

Get a ****ing room, you two.

[Mann]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 4 2003, 04:44 AM
that's true. she isn't a terrible actress. i just have disdain for pop stardom.
oh no, she's bad. trust me.

[brookie]

she is bad ...she isnt even an actress... but what im saying is that it is easy to play yourself.. and she palys a ***** in both swept away and dick tracey

[Justin]

Wow, that was three pages made up almost entirely by a conversation between Bod and Brookie. Crazy man.

Mann, I attempted at first to go back and find who the pop star in question was, but I'm just going to assume you are talking about Britney Spears.

Well I rented Crossroads like I said I would, and you know what? She's not bad at all. She's not good in the sense of Academy Award worthy acting (the role didn't really require that kind of acting, so who knows) but she was believable and *gasp* gave a fairly good performance. I would actually like to see her make more movies instead of pop albums and music tours.

[brookie]

i can respect that becouse i love madonna but seriously i cant stand brittney.. i think u like her cause shes hot.. muhahhahaha style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Vortex]

Okay, first off, what's with this "Brittney's hot" stuff?
It always confuses the daylights out of me how someone so "plain-jane" could be considered a babe.

Second, I can't believe the amount of idiocy in this thread.

Third, Clerks was by far Kevin Smith's worst movie. It had one extremely lose, poorly developed plotline tugging it all together. Don't get me wrong, I love the movie, but all his other films were by far better. Also, Kevin Smith's humor is great, and extremely witty because it's written with a certain amount of casual feel, yet often enough a high amount of intelligence. Take Randall in clerks, for instance, or any number of the conversations in Mallrats. Dogma had it in spades, while Jay and Silent bob broke free from it to persue a more slapstick role (which they were perfectly designed for). Not to mention any writer who comes up with a fat man using a bat-man styled grappling hook to hoist him and his stoner friend out of the way from mall security is simply a genius.

Fourth, movies to watch:

Paint your Wagon (Clint Eastwood, young, and in a musical. And it's GOOD)

7 brides for 7 brothers (I might have the title reversed. It's a musical, but the dance sequences are awesome when you realize they did them each in ONE continuous shot)

Donnie Darko (relatively recent movie. Dark humor, with the most "out there" ending I've ever seen)

Oh, and if you are into the Samurai, I suggest reading the Hagakure. Quite possibly THE most authoritative document on the way of the Samurai ever written, I try to live my life by it's teachings.

Oh, and The Princess Bride is great. It's rare to get such a gem of a movie (though I think it was matched by Pirates of the Carribean)

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Vortex@Sep 4 2003, 11:20 PM
Okay, first off, what's with this "Brittney's hot" stuff?
Because she is, just like the girl next door is, just like my High School Librarian was...

[bodhisattva yoda]

are you out to get me, vortex? you're a bully.

[Vortex]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 5 2003, 01:00 PM
are you out to get me, vortex? you're a bully.
I didn't even mention you, that was totally uncalled for.

I think I deserve an apology.

[bodhisattva yoda]

no, but you burst in exclaiming 'idiocy!' and proceeded to criticize my opinion.

i dunno. maybe i have post traumatic stress disorder.

[Miasmo]

He didn't exclaim "idiocy!", he merely made a comment regarding the amount of idiocy in this thread. Furthermore, he started that comment with the word "Second" and started the next paragraph with the word "Third." They obviously were seperate points. You're seeing things that aren't there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i dunno. maybe i have post traumatic stress disorder.[/b][/quote]
Maybe. If that's the case than you should be more careful when you post.

[Vortex]

If you understood such an undeclarative statement such as the one I made to be a direct attack upon yourself, Bodhi, then I am afraid that it is not I who is the cause of your offense.

[bodhisattva yoda]

granted. i've got problems. but you're not helping matters.

when you were in disbelief over the idiocy of this thread, what or who then were you refering to? or is everyone's intelligence simply dwarfed in your distinguished presence?

[Mann]

simmer down now guys.

Bodhi, take a chill pill or something.

[bodhisattva yoda]

i'm calm. i'm calm.

[Vortex]

I was referring to the general tomfoolery and off topic conversations that developed in this thread.

*waits for that apology*

[Greedo Boy]

You're probably going to be waiting for quite some time, neighbor.

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. you're refering to my conversation with mookie. so i have every right to take offense.

[Greedo Boy]

Don't you mean Brookie??

[bodhisattva yoda]

heh. yeah. mookie? what the hell? now she should be offended. mookie?? what's that from?

[brookie]

hey now im no idiot! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

[brookie]

Originally posted by Vortex@Sep 6 2003, 09:05 PM
I was referring to the general tomfoolery and off topic conversations that developed in this thread.

*waits for that apology*
what do u care?

[bodhisattva yoda]

brookie. i apologize for calling you mookie. i don't know where that came from. is there a character in a kevin smith film called mookie? it sounds so familiar...

[Vortex]

I didn't call anyone an idiot.

It seems to me the mature thing to do would be for Bodhi to admit that he overreacted, and to apologize. I hope Bodhi doesn't prove me wrong about his maturity level.

[bodhisattva yoda]

i don't overract. well. i do overreact. i intentionally overreact because that's what feels most comfortable. it's like that quote from the samurai book you mentioned (i think, if that's the same one featured in ghost dog)... that goes something like, matters of great concern should be treated lightly. matters of little concern should be treated seriously. something like that. that's how my mind functions.

you didn't call anyone an idiot, but to essentially tell someone that their conversation is idiotic isn't much different. i don't owe you an apology.

[brookie]

no "mookie "is not a thing form kevin smith movies. i didnt care that you called me mookie.. i cared that someone thinks the thread is full of idiocy i think that he mistakes idiocy for fun conversation

[Vortex]

I think you both mistake lighthearted overexaggeration as serious accusations...

I don't blame Brookie, I haven't seen enough of her to judge whether she should know better or not.

But Bodhi, that's a different situation. You insult my honor, calling me a bully, and then you do not apologize when it is EVIDENT that you are mistaken.

Honestly, think about that.

[brookie]

ehhhhh?

[bodhisattva yoda]

is it lighthearte overexaggeration...? i'm not so sure.

[brookie]

does anyone like absolutley fabulous! its sooo funny i own all of the dvds brittish humor is that best

[bodhisattva yoda]

i've seen the show... do you watch 'are you being served' and that show with the guy that plays mr. bean and all that stuff too?

[brookie]

when and what channel is it on? i love mr. bean the movie was funny but it sometimes i feel bad for him

[Vortex]

I said I was saying a lighthearted exagerration.
There is no reason to doubt me, particularly since I said but one sentance about it in my initial thread, made no attempts to deal with it, or berated anyone for contributing to it.

It's the same thing as saying "I can't believe you just said that!" Seriously, they can, but they overexagerate to get the point across. That's not saying that they said the WRONG thing, now is it?

Honestly, it boils down to you mistunderstood, and then insulted me. That hurt my feelings, and you should feel sorry for hurting someone's feelings when it's not called for, right Bodhi?

On a seperate note, I love the show "As Time Goes By" also a british comedy.

[brookie]

as time goes by is great

[brookie]

today at work since i work at a video store i watched alice in wonderland and princess bride i love princess bride its so funny has anyone seen puch drunk love its been sitting on my tv for a week and i havent gooten around to watching it i loved magnolia and boogie nights.

[bodhisattva yoda]

you just don't have the time for pesky commas and periods and things, do you brookie.
punch drunk love and hard eight are probably my favorite paul thomas anderson films.

you hurt my feelings first, vortex. and it scars. and i'm wary of your words and your intentions. and your prequel-esque formalism doesn't do much to convince me of your lightheartedness.

[brookie]

cant you tell? i never use commas and stuff when im posting i would reall ylike to get the best of will farrel on dvd he is soooo damn funny

[bodhisattva yoda]

you don't want to like, put a damper on your stream of consciousness or anything, right?
will farrell is funny, but his movie choices are terrible.

[brookie]

right!

[bodhisattva yoda]

gotcha. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif

[brookie]

ehhh. old school was funny i used to not think it was that funny but after i watched it again i think its fun do you how many damn people rented freakin phoonebooth tonight? eww style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

i can't think of any films that are playing that i'm interested in seeing... or renting... i'd like to see the happiness of the(insert japanese family name here...?) and visitor Q, but short of buying them, i don't think i will anytime soon.

[brookie]

i just saw this really good movie called bully.. i liked it s a true story of some teenagers who are all messed up and kill thier bully friend i saw a whole thing on it.. on american justice the other day then i turn on hbo and a movie about it is on! its a loins gate film
oh do you know whats a goos lions gate film? Thursday. check it out style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/satisfied.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

if i see it... i don't like most movies though. there are a lot of movies that i love, but i dislike the vast majority of movies. not enough attention goes into cinematography and atmosphere.

[Mann]

we should change the name of this thread and call it the "I insulted you and now I wont apologize" Thread and move it to the life section.

[Mann]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 7 2003, 04:15 AM
you hurt my feelings first, vortex. and it scars. and i'm wary of your words and your intentions. and your prequel-esque formalism doesn't do much to convince me of your lightheartedness.
oh dear god, it's a soap opera now, move it to the role playing section.

[bodhisattva yoda]

okay. every time i see you and bond in the same thread, you're always in the midst of an argument. the high horse is reserved for someone much more mature than the entire lot of us.

[bodhisattva yoda]

oh. yeah. i thought i'd throw in a touch of melodrama for effect.

[Mann]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 7 2003, 04:50 AM
okay. every time i see you and bond in the same thread, you're always in the midst of an argument. the high horse is reserved for someone much more mature than the entire lot of us.
we don't name call, we ***** and moan, but never really insult.

Although he does tell me to shut up a few times....but we never get dirty and say idiot.

[Mann]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 7 2003, 04:51 AM
oh. yeah. i thought i'd throw in a touch of melodrama for effect.
What is this, a Michael Bay Film?

[bodhisattva yoda]

i don't actually know who that is.

[Mann]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 7 2003, 04:58 AM
i don't actually know who that is.
Pearl Harbor....Armageddon.....Bad Boyz I and II (though the first one was pretty funny, the second one was incredily lame).

[bodhisattva yoda]

oh.
i see.
i don't care for his work much, myself.

[Mann]

action scenes are great, dramatic scenes are terrible. Which is why Pearl Harbor is the worst movie of 2001.

[bodhisattva yoda]

bad boys 2 must really have blown. i knew it was bad, but i didn't know that guy directed it.

[Mann]

I mean, have you seen Pearl Harbor? Is it not the most terrible movie! I mean Rollerball is worse, but not by much.

[bodhisattva yoda]

only parts of pearl harbor... i couldn't tolerate it. will not see rolleball as long as i live. i don't care for that vin fellow.

[Mann]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Sep 7 2003, 05:39 AM
only parts of pearl harbor... i couldn't tolerate it. will not see rolleball as long as i live. i don't care for that vin fellow.
Vin Disel ain't in it. Chris Klien is, and so is LL cool J, but the movie is flat out terrible.

[bodhisattva yoda]

oh. really? well, it seems like the sorta movie he'd be in, anyway.

i think the only decent film with vin in it is saving private ryan.

[Vortex]

Originally posted by Mann@Sep 6 2003, 11:47 PM
we should change the name of this thread and call it the "I insulted you and now I wont apologize" Thread and move it to the life section.
Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

lol, seriously though, Bodhi, first you insult me by calling me a bully, now you attack my use of vocabulary? You don't see me griping at you about using too small of words, do you?

Honestly, who's the bully here, it's not me, that's for sure.

[bodhisattva yoda]

no. it's you. i'm pretty sure.

it's not your use of vocabulary. it's your use of rhetoric.

[Vortex]

It's my use of effective language? Or did you mean to imply that I was being insincere and pretentious, or just stupid?

I would think carefully before answering, you wouldn't want to insult me thrice in one thread would you?

[bodhisattva yoda]

well, pretentious, yes. just your way of speaking. like you're on some pompous debate team.

say, did you actually look up the word 'rhetoric'? yeah. totally like you're on a pompous debate team.