Jurassic Park IV

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

{Synopsis- go to last post by Grand Admiral Thrawn}I bet a lot of you are thinking
"Oh come on, they should give it a rest already!",
But so far the sequels have all been doing great in the theater.
Personally I'm looking forward to it.

There's talk of having Dr. Grant (Sam Niel) back,
or Ian Malcom (Jeff Goldblum) and Nick Van Owen (Vince Vaughn) from the
second movie, together in JP4.

[bodhisattva yoda]

the franchise is flawed as it is. another one can't hurt. i'll probably see it.

[DblDwn]

As I said in one of the other threads, they are trying to get both Jeff Goldblum (Malcolm) and Sir Richard Attenbourgh (Hammond) back and they are in talks with Kiera Knightley, from POTC, to play Hammonds grown up computer nerd grand-daughter from the original.

[Darth Whaler]

Will it be based on a novel?

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Darth Whaler@Jul 29 2003, 01:32 PM
Will it be based on a novel?
Probably not.

While the movie hungry studio executives are intent on continuing the series I doubt that Crichton has any desire in writing another novel.

[Erick Landrider]

I am not* impressed with the Lost World and I stand solid to the beleif that I could have written a better ending to Jurassic Park III.

*I say that in the present tense because I was in 4th grade when I saw Lost World and I thought it was the greatest thing. I wised up since then.

I'll give them the benifit of the doubt, and I'll probably find some time to see it. But I won't be shocked if it bombs.

[Justin]

Isn't Spielberg directing this one? I want to see Laura Dern be one of the main characters again. What was her name? I think she should have had a bigger role in III. Hopefully she and Sam Neill will have lead roles.

[Silas Maynder]

Elle Sattler or Saddler...can't remember which way to spell it.
Yeah it would be cool if she came back or Julianne Moore from Lost World...that would be cool too.
What's with Kiera Knightly maybe playing Lex? Ariana Richards is already grown up!!!!
Pluse Keira doesn't look anything like Lex at all.
I hope Jeff Goldblum is in it! That would rock!

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Silas Maynder@Jul 29 2003, 09:24 PM
What's with Kiera Knightly maybe playing Lex? Ariana Richards is already grown up!!!!

Maybe so but Kiera is hotter and that what helps sell tickets to over-played sequels that get bad reviews (I'm foreshadowing because the story is wearing a little thin. I'm having uncomfortable flashbacks to Jaws 4).

[Mann]

I saw a pic of Ariana Richards right now, and she's actually not really that bad, infact she'd do good to come back. anyone see tremors 3? she's in it.

Jurassic Park IV needs a story. the first was great, the second sucked like no other sequel, even TPM was better, and the third was just a popcorn film for the summer. this one needs juice, witty dialouge and some new plot. I like dinosaurs on the mainland.

[Handothrawn]

Yeah, wasn't she playing the grown-up pogo-stick girl from the first one? But I want to see Kevin Bacon back in a Tremors movie, but i'll never happen, atleast we can get Burt Ward back.

I think it would be cool to have dinos be of human inteligence, and get them loose in Florida or somewhere.

[Mann]

I'm telling you , they should go away from America and try and make fun of Godzilla movies by have spanish speaking people running around south america being chased by dinosaurs. It would be great.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I liked the whole idea in the second one of the
Tyrannosaurus loose in San Diego. I think that they
should go for more stuff like that... Imagine Velociraptors
in the city with a million places to hide. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif
But I have no clue how they would get there.


As for the choice in which movie was best, NOTHING
can beat the original. Although I did enjoy the second one
a lot. So I give JP1 100%, JP2 99-1/2%, And JP3 99%.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVED JP3, but I did feel like there
weren't enough scary and heart-pounding moments like
JP2 and JP1.
So for JP4 they really need to bring up the scary/heart-pounding
level... think of things that they haven't thought about... see just
how almost "Horror" scary they can make it.

They have two storylines they could use...
Well we still have the mystery of the "Shaving Cream" can
that Dennis lost in the first one... I have no clue how
that would come into it but... it's there nonetheless.
And the Pterodactyls flying off of Isla Sorna in JP3.

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:darkblue">I read that it was official that Sam Neill would be returning in JPIV. I can't wait to see it! JPIII rocked!</span>

[RollaFett]

Please, no more of that crap!
I loved the original. I had read the book after I saw the film, and liked the book even more than the movie. For the second film, I read the book first and was so disappointed with it, that I waited until the film came out on video, and was disappointed again. I'm still trying to get my 90 minutes back after renting that farce of a third movie. Lordy, was that awful. In fact, the only saving grace of the third one was the length.
Now, they want to make another one?! Ugh, why? Has Hollywood officially run out of new ideas, finally?

[bodhisattva yoda]

they have a while ago, my friend.

notice that half the movies out right now seem to be sequels.

[Trilogist]

^ style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

I hope 4 is about how all the meat-eating dinosaurs crush and destroy all the veggie-eating dinosaurs. That would be awesome!

[bodhisattva yoda]

oh you *******.

how'd you like for me to crush and destroy YOU.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Well I defenitly want to see more Dino VS. Dino scenes.
The Spinosaurus VS. Tyrannosaurus Rex battle was AWESOME.
Something like that be loooonger.


UPDATED RUMOR/NEWS:
The half unnoficial/half official news just came out
about what JP4 is going to be about.

SYNOPSIS:
According to scientists, the Dinosaurs died out because
of some kind of desease back millions of years ago.
Now, discoveries show dinosaur corpses drifting ashore on
Coasta Rico, and the possibility that the desease has returned.
A group goes to Isla Sorna (or Isla Nublar) to try and investigate
why and where this desease originated.
Adding to the deaths of countless numbers of dinosaurs,
a threat arrives... the threat that the desease could spread
threatening the very lives of human beings.

[Mann]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Jul 31 2003, 03:38 AM
Please, no more of that crap!
I loved the original. I had read the book after I saw the film, and liked the book even more than the movie. For the second film, I read the book first and was so disappointed with it, that I waited until the film came out on video, and was disappointed again. I'm still trying to get my 90 minutes back after renting that farce of a third movie. Lordy, was that awful. In fact, the only saving grace of the third one was the length.
Now, they want to make another one?! Ugh, why? Has Hollywood officially run out of new ideas, finally?
Golla answer this question on the books. Did Malcolm die in the first story? if so, how does he come back?

[Mann]

Originally posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn@Jul 31 2003, 06:17 AM
Well I defenitly want to see more Dino VS. Dino scenes.
The Spinosaurus VS. Tyrannosaurus Rex battle was AWESOME.
Something like that be loooonger.


UPDATED RUMOR/NEWS:
The half unnoficial/half official news just came out
about what JP4 is going to be about.

SYNOPSIS:
According to scientists, the Dinosaurs died out because
of some kind of desease back millions of years ago.
Now, discoveries show dinosaur corpses drifting ashore on
Coasta Rico, and the possibility that the desease has returned.
A group goes to Isla Sorna (or Isla Nublar) to try and investigate
why and where this desease originated.
Adding to the deaths of countless numbers of dinosaurs,
a threat arrives... the threat that the desease could spread
threatening the very lives of human beings.
Spinosaurus killing the T-Rex was sad, cause I think the T-Rex could have killed it first. I'd like to see Spinosaurus vs. the two T-rex, that would be awesome.

That synopsis is extremly dumb. a disease killing off characters? Dinosaurs are still the villians that rule these films. the Raptors are the scariest things imaginable.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Yeah I wasn't totally impressed with the synopsis either.

Spinosaurus VS. Mommy & Daddy Rex!!! That would be cool!

[Justin]

Am I the only one who thinks the spinosaurus looked retarded? I wanted the T-Rex to win. He's the original "bad guy" of the dinosaur world. And he looks coolest too.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

That's a hard question.
I though the Spinosaurus was awesome...
but the Tyrannosaurus Rex was awesome, too.
Hmmm... I CAN'T DECIDE!!! HELP!

I defenitly loved the evolved Velociraptors in JP3.
But I still like the original raptors a little bit more.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Justin@Jul 31 2003, 09:12 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the spinosaurus looked retarted? I wanted the T-Rex to win. He's the original "bad guy" of the dinosaur world. And he looks coolest too.
I'm in agreement. The T-Rex losing is depressing, and making the spinosaurus in the film is stupid because it discounts the fact that the spinosaur would have at least noticed the group in The Lost World. And is it just me, or was the lone T-Rex in JP3 the baby one in the Lost World?

Raptors are still the coolest thing in the films. But my favorite was the dilophosaurus, which they haven't used since the first. Wouldn't that be cool?

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Darth Whaler@Jul 29 2003, 12:32 PM
Will it be based on a novel?
The idea of Dinosaurs corpses drifting to the shores of Costa Rica is from the Lost World novelization, apparantly we'll be seeing that in this film.

We can probably expect to see things in this film that were left-over from the two books, as we did in JP3.

I hope they can get Crichton to write (or help write) the script, but they probably won't.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann+Jul 31 2003, 04:50 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Jul 31 2003, 04:50 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Justin@Jul 31 2003, 09:12 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the spinosaurus looked retarted? I wanted the T-Rex to win. He's the original "bad guy" of the dinosaur world. And he looks coolest too.
I'm in agreement. The T-Rex losing is depressing, and making the spinosaurus in the film is stupid because it discounts the fact that the spinosaur would have at least noticed the group in The Lost World. And is it just me, or was the lone T-Rex in JP3 the baby one in the Lost World. [/b][/quote]
It'd be even more stupid if they didn't introduce new dinos.

[Justin]

Bond, Michael Chricton's book isn't a novelization.

[Trilogist]

Actually, I think the premise is kind of cool. At least it beats Lost World and JP3's premise for them ever returning to the island again.

And this would definitely cause Grant to want to go back, because of the implications involved. I mean if it was all about survival of the fittest, then the dinosaurs should never have disappeared. That is the big mystery that was hinted at during the first movie but never fully addressed.

I think the idea of something so horrible that killed off such powerful creatures and then rearing its ugly head once again in our times would make a cool suspense movie. If Spielberg does it, of course. No offense to Mr. Johnston.

[RollaFett]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Mann Posted: Jul 31 2003, 03:02 AM
Golla answer this question on the books. Did Malcolm die in the first story? if so, how does he come back? [/b][/quote]
Yes, as did John Hammond. It seemed, to me, that he was only brought back because that's the character they really wanted in the sequel. The deal for the second movie was complete long before Crighton wrote anything, so I don't believe having Malcolm in it was a direct result of Crichton including him in the novel. In fact, I believe that Crichton included Malcolm because he was told to by the movie execs. Of course, I could be wrong. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
As far as how he came back, well, I don't recall a very thorough explanation given in the book. At the beginning of the book, when he is introduced, it says this:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Malcolm was forty years old, and a famaliar figure at the Institue. He had been one of the early pioneers in chaos theory, but his promising career had been disrupted by a severe injury during a trip to Costa Rica; Malcolm had, in fact, been reported dead in several newscasts. "I was sorry to cut short the celebrations in mathematics departments around the country," he later said, "but it turned out that I was only slightly dead. The surgeons have done wonders, as they will be the first to tell you. So now I am back--in my next iteration, you might say."[/b][/quote]
Now, I don't recall if it's explained in more detail later on, I would have no idea where to check so I'm not going to, and I'm certainly not reading it again.

[Justin]

I'd like to see a new adaptation of Chricton's novel directed by James Cameron.

[RollaFett]

What? Of the first book?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

{very COOL avatar, Justin!!!}
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>QUOTE
Mann Posted: Jul 31 2003, 03:02 AM
Golla answer this question on the books. Did Malcolm die in the first story? if so, how does he come back?

Yes, as did John Hammond.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, Hammond was killed by the Compies, right?
He also hated Lex and Timmy (but who wouldn't, hee hee)

Comparing movies with novels, I think Lost world was the most
uncompareable one. Both had almost totally different storylines as
I remember it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Raptors are still the coolest thing in the films. But my favorite was the dilophosaurus, which they haven't used since the first. Wouldn't that be cool? [/b][/quote]
Yeah I loved the Dilophosaurus!!!
It's all cute and stuff in the beginning, but then it gets mean and ugly!
A very deceitful dinosaur style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>It'd be even more stupid if they didn't introduce new dinos. [/b][/quote]
Very true, Bond. I think the introduction of new dinosaurs was a great idea.
They should still keep the old ones, though. And I hope the Tyrannosaurus Rex
has a bigger role in JP4.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Jul 31 2003, 07:18 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Mann Posted: Jul 31 2003, 03:02 AM
Golla answer this question on the books. Did Malcolm die in the first story? if so, how does he come back?
Yes, as did John Hammond. [/b][/quote]
As I recall, the book didn't make it seem that Malcolm had died at all, he made it off the island and was transported to a hospital in Costa Rica where he met Sarah Harding.

However, Hammond was killed by compies in the first book aster breaking his ankle and falling down a hill (much like a sequence we saw in jp2).

[Darth Darthy]

JP2 and 3 sucked. They lacked the atmosphere of the original.

The JP book is wicked - the Nedrey death scene is sooooo nice. His stomach is ripped open, he drops to his knees and feels the warmth of his own intestine on the ground and promptly dies.

Nice.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@Jul 31 2003, 10:50 PM
JP2 and 3 sucked. They lacked the atmosphere of the original.
I agree with you on 2, but 3 was decent, good monster movie.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Aug 1 2003, 05:30 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Aug 1 2003, 05:30 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-GollaFett@Jul 31 2003, 07:18 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Mann Posted: Jul 31 2003, 03:02 AM
Golla answer this question on the books. Did Malcolm die in the first story? if so, how does he come back?
Yes, as did John Hammond. [/b][/quote]
As I recall, the book didn't make it seem that Malcolm had died at all, he made it off the island and was transported to a hospital in Costa Rica where he met Sarah Harding.

However, Hammond was killed by compies in the first book aster breaking his ankle and falling down a hill (much like a sequence we saw in jp2). [/b][/quote]
Read the end of the novel. They say Ian was buried in a funeral and even in the book the characters say that they lost him. I was a bit taken back when he lived, but then again, Crichton was working under studio exec's seeing as the book was a sequel to the film, not the original. The book of both films are nothing like the movies, but it's ok, cause it means bigger suprises.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Aug 1 2003, 07:41 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Aug 1 2003, 07:41 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Darth Darthy@Jul 31 2003, 10:50 PM
JP2 and 3 sucked. They lacked the atmosphere of the original.
I agree with you on 2, but 3 was decent, good monster movie. [/b][/quote]
I hope for the next film, they bring Crichton's scariest Dinosaurs, the Carnosaur, who if you play the arcade game is in the book and can change like a cameleon. It was very cool in the book.

[Darth Vegas]

I believe that's Carnotaurus, that would be interesting, I'd like to see that.

If this whole thing with the beached dinos is true, chances are they will be Carnotaurs, since that was the case in the JP2 book.

And I wouldn't mind a nice mosasaurus or plesiosaurus, or some other type of prehistoric aquatic reptile, that would be cool.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Aug 1 2003, 12:10 AM
Read the end of the novel. They say Ian was buried in a funeral and even in the book the characters say that they lost him.
Woah, musta missed that, or forgot, I havn't read it in a long time, I'll have to check that out.

[Handothrawn]

Yeah, but that gets explained in the Lost World novel.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

{Carnosaur was another nickname for Carnotaur or Carnotaurus}

I remember the rumors spreading about making a Jurassic Park
about that set of toys that came out. Remember? The series was
called Jurassic Park: Chaos Effect, and it was about how the
Dinosaurs' DNA was mixed with other reptiles, and they became
mutant-like dinosaurs. I remember the Raptor had a tongue
like a frog, and it could leap twice its normal height.

The Carnotaur has always been my favorite Dinosaur.
That was one of the main reasons why I went to see
that disney movie: "Dinosaur".
I was very disappointed when I read that it was in the
book, but never came into the movies. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Queen 'Onna]

What?!Another one.Make it stop.The last one was bad enough.We don't need a fourth one.

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The Carnotaur has always been my favorite Dinosaur.
That was one of the main reasons why I went to see
that disney movie: "Dinosaur".
I was very disappointed when I read that it was in the
book, but never came into the movies. [/b][/quote]

Did you all catch the cameo in JP3? when they are looking for the phone in "dino droppings"? The Carnotaur comes over and smells them, at least it looked like a Carnotaur. It was pretty cool.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Handothrawn@Aug 1 2003, 03:27 PM
Yeah, but that gets explained in the Lost World novel.
well, Crichton killed him off at first, but brought him back when Studios signed on Jeff Goldblum.

[DblDwn]

I always felt that Ian Malcolm was the best character in the first one. He had the perfect blend of humor and terror ("Yeah, but when the Pirates of the Carribean breaks down the pirates don't eat the tourists") and Goldblum, who I think is an excellent actor and is one of my favorites, nailed the role. That being said, my opinion for making a watchable fourth installment in the series would have to include some more 'chaos'.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Originally posted by Mann@Aug 1 2003, 12:48 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The Carnotaur has always been my favorite Dinosaur.
That was one of the main reasons why I went to see
that disney movie: "Dinosaur".
I was very disappointed when I read that it was in the
book, but never came into the movies.

Did you all catch the cameo in JP3? when they are looking for the phone in "dino droppings"? The Carnotaur comes over and smells them, at least it looked like a Carnotaur. It was pretty cool. [/b][/quote]
It did look like a Carnotaur, but it was a
Ceratosaurus.
The difference is that the Carnotaur has two upraised
bone levels above the eyes. And the Ceratosaurus
has a horn on the top of his nose.


I think that they should bring the Giganotosaurus
into it... a bigger version of the Tyrannosaurus Rex.

An interesting fact,
The Spinosaurus was actually 10 feet smaller then the
Tyrannosaurus.
And something I already knew, the Velociraptor was
only 3 feet long (1 meter- as long as an average lightsaber blade)
Scientists said it was impossible for a raptor to be that big...
until they found the Utahraptor (coolest raptor in the world)
which was about the size (if not bigger) then the Raptors
in JP.
But I like all the ideas in JP better then the real life stuff.

Another neat fact:
Recently, Paleontologists found a Tyrannosaurus skull.
And when they opened it and found traces of blood cells
and tissue!!!
Which means that it hadn't been dead that long.
You see, if the idea of the dinosaurs dying 65 million years
ago was true, the tissue matter and blood cells would have totally disolved.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Which means that it hadn't been dead that long.[/b][/quote]
Continuing what I said above...
It said it wasn't dead for that long, which just means
it had lived sometime in mid-bible times.

And, you guessed it... Another interesting fact:
The reason the Dinosaurs did not survive after the flood of "Noah's Ark"
Was because before the flood took place there was something in the
air, maybe it came from the plants? We still don't know where it came from,
but there was something in the air that helped the dinosaurs survive
and even grow many times larger then the sizes we've discovered today.
When the flood took place, it must have destroyed whatever thing that was
in the air. The dinosaurs found it hard to live after several years, until
the species just died out. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif A sad story, and so far been proven by
creationists and God-fearing scientists to be true.

The book of Job talks about a creature like an elephant with a long tail
and neck, and it's steps shook the trees and the earth...
So we know that dinosaurs survived long after the flood, but didn't
make it to the the after years of Jesus' birth.
I wonder what the world would be like today if Dinosaurs had survived...

[Handothrawn]

Actually, I saw something like that on the discovery channel about how if the dinosaurs had survived into modern times, and continued their current pattern of evolution they would look like the little gray aliens that most people report, only they would be about 10 feet tall, and they'd have human or better inteligence.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn@Aug 1 2003, 05:30 PM
An interesting fact,
The Spinosaurus was actually 10 feet smaller then the
Tyrannosaurus.

Exactly where did you happen to get this "fact" from?

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn@Aug 1 2003, 05:30 PM
Another neat fact:
Recently, Paleontologists found a Tyrannosaurus skull.
And when they opened it and found traces of blood cells
and tissue!!!

They found a mummified saurapod several eyars ago and a dinosaurs with feathers since then, that doesn't prove anything except that it was well preserved.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>An interesting fact,
The Spinosaurus was actually 10 feet smaller then the
Tyrannosaurus.


Exactly where did you happen to get this "fact" from? [/b][/quote]
The information was taken from an Official Dinosaur Encyclopedia.
Do your sources tell you different?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Another neat fact:
Recently, Paleontologists found a Tyrannosaurus skull.
And when they opened it and found traces of blood cells
and tissue!!!


They found a mummified saurapod several eyars ago and a dinosaurs with feathers since then, that doesn't prove anything except that it was well preserved. [/b][/quote]
Interesting, TK-007.
However the Tyrannosaurus Rex skull was found at an unusually high place
in the ground. I will have to check my guide again and find out
where it was found.

[Erick Landrider]

I'm in agreement. The T-Rex losing is depressing, and making the spinosaurus in the film is stupid because it discounts the fact that the spinosaur would have at least noticed the group in The Lost World. [/QUOTE]
It'd be even more stupid if they didn't introduce new dinos. [/quote]
Here is my question, when they add new dinosaur, where were they in the first three films. Mann is right. With all the havoc that happend in the Lost World you'd think that the Spinosaur would have been interested at some point.

Maybe a little timid thing, like the Compys were in Lost World, that wouldn't have stood out the first few times, and a few things in the background.

And basically what I think is If the story is good enough you won't need extra dinosaur, to act as visual substitutes for a script.

[P-Ray]

I enjoyed JPIII even though it was short. I have all 3 on DVD.

At one point I heard they were going to make a prequal to the series like problems that occurred just before the events of the first JP.
I guess the premise for JP IV is still a secret?

[Trilogist]

Originally posted by Erick Landrider@Aug 3 2003, 10:15 AM
Here is my question, when they add new dinosaur, where were they in the first three films. Mann is right. With all the havoc that happend in the Lost World you'd think that the Spinosaur would have been interested at some point.

Maybe a little timid thing, like the Compys were in Lost World, that wouldn't have stood out the first few times, and a few things in the background.
Now I'm confused, I need to re-watch those movies ... but for some reason I'm remembering Lost World was about "Site B", and JP3 was back in the original island from the first movie but in an unfinished part of the park. I may be wrong. I think I remember some of the park's buildings from JP1 but overrun with weeds and wildlife?

I'll see it again, to confirm.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Isla Sorna is Site B and Isla Nublar is site A,
as said by Billy in JPIII.
"That was Isla Nublar, Site A... this is Isla Sorna, site B" (or something
like that)

A funny thing:
Many may know this already but,
when the group in JPIII goes to the compound,
Grant looks around and spots a car with the passenger
side window broken. As approved by the official site,
that is the same car Ian Malcom was in when the Velociraptor
broke through the window in JP2.

Don't lecture me if you think this is wrong, I am just repeating
what I heard from the official site.

[Mann]

I'm in agreement. The T-Rex losing is depressing, and making the spinosaurus in the film is stupid because it discounts the fact that the spinosaur would have at least noticed the group in The Lost World.
It'd be even more stupid if they didn't introduce new dinos. [/QUOTE]
Here is my question, when they add new dinosaur, where were they in the first three films. Mann is right. With all the havoc that happend in the Lost World you'd think that the Spinosaur would have been interested at some point.

Maybe a little timid thing, like the Compys were in Lost World, that wouldn't have stood out the first few times, and a few things in the background.

And basically what I think is If the story is good enough you won't need extra dinosaur, to act as visual substitutes for a script. [/quote]
Everything you said, I agree with.

[bodhisattva yoda]

they could always introduce a genetically manipulated super dinasaur hybrid.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn@Aug 4 2003, 10:44 AM
when the group in JPIII goes to the compound,
Grant looks around and spots a car with the passenger
side window broken. As approved by the official site,
that is the same car Ian Malcom was in when the Velociraptor
broke through the window in JP2.


I always wondered if those were supposed to be the same two cars.

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm in agreement. The T-Rex losing is depressing, and making the spinosaurus in the film is stupid because it discounts the fact that the spinosaur would have at least noticed the group in The Lost World.
Originally posted by TK-007@Jul 31 2003, 07:59 PM
It'd be even more stupid if they didn't introduce new dinos.
Here is my question, when they add new dinosaur, where were they in the first three films. Mann is right. With all the havoc that happend in the Lost World you'd think that the Spinosaur would have been interested at some point.[/b][/quote]
Where was Palpatine during ANH and ESB? Busy plotting eh? Busy sitting his ass down on his thrown? Yeah thought so.

I went over at the wild animal park in San Diego once, the animals roam free there, you go around in a jeep, I didn't see one single Lion, answer that?

Perhaps Spino was to busy chomping down on a brontosaurus to worry about a few mesely humans, or maybe being that the group was chased by both velociraptors and 2 full grown T-rexes the Spino didn't dare go over there.

Or better yet, maybe Spino was stuck in his pin and hadn't grown large enough to break out, much like the Pteranodons.

[bodhisattva yoda]

evidently he feels very strongly about this.

[Darth Vegas]

Oh hardly, I'm simply saying it isn't illogical that the Spinosaurus didn't bear his teeth for JP2.

[bodhisattva yoda]

that picture of arnold cracks me up. it looked like they used special effects to somehow make him smile like he did. i can't believe that scene was cut from the original.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn@Aug 2 2003, 07:48 AM
The information was taken from an Official Dinosaur Encyclopedia.

Do your sources tell you different?
Everything I've read on the Spino says it was actually larger than the T-Rex, perhaps it was a little lower to the ground but I do not believe it was shorter.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Aug 4 2003, 09:27 PM
it looked like they used special effects to somehow make him smile like he did.
That's Genuine 100% Arnold, no effects, great scene.

[bodhisattva yoda]

i honestly laugh every time i even think about it.

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I went over at the wild animal park in San Diego once, the animals roam free there, you go around in a jeep, I didn't see one single Lion, answer that?
[/b][/quote]

Yeah, they don't keep lions and their prey inthe same zone Bond. That part of the wild animals park is to preserve animals in their habitats, not have lions running aorund eating everything. The lions have their own separate pen. And again, that is a regulated park, where as Isla Sorna is an unregulated, unfenced park, where the spinosaurus seems to dominate, but in JP2, they made it sound pretty clear that the T-Rex couple dominated the Island.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps Spino was to busy chomping down on a brontosaurus to worry about a few mesely humans, or maybe being that the group was chased by both velociraptors and 2 full grown T-rexes the Spino didn't dare go over there.[/b][/quote]

for one, the Raptors didn't care to take the humans until the last few moments of them at the park. Also, the Spinosaurus seems attrached to the T-rex anyway, since they say in JP3 that he came when he smelled them.

[Miasmo]

I won't disagree that JP has been going downhill, but I'd still watch another one. Why? For one reason. IT'S A DINOSAUR MOVIE! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif It might suck, doesn't really matter to me though.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Originally posted by TK-007+Aug 5 2003, 12:28 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Aug 5 2003, 12:28 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Grand Admiral Thrawn@Aug 2 2003, 07:48 AM
The information was taken from an Official Dinosaur Encyclopedia.

Do your sources tell you different?
Everything I've read on the Spino says it was actually larger than the T-Rex, perhaps it was a little lower to the ground but I do not believe it was shorter. [/b][/quote]
My bad.
Yours is probably right (I hope, I liked how the
Spinosaurus was a little bigger in the movie)...
let me just read what mine says
uhhh... here we go:

"Spinosaurus Aegypticus, found in 1912
by German Paleontologist Ernst Freiherr Strommer
von Reichenbach (I wish I had that name style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif ...)
Name Meaning: Spiny Lizard
Size: 33 feet (10 m)..."
and then for
"Tyrannosaurus Rex...
Name Meaning: Tyrant Lizard
Size: 40 ft (12 m)..."
The DUMB thing about this is that it
doesn't say "Length" or "Height" so
you don't really know which it is.
But like I said, I hope your book is right.

We actually don't even know if Ernst was telling the
truth. There have been no more discoveries of the Spinosaurus
and there is really no proof to its existence.
But I think that it was real and Ernst was telling the truth...
at least I hope so style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Aug 5 2003, 07:16 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I went over at the wild animal park in San Diego once, the animals roam free there, you go around in a jeep, I didn't see one single Lion, answer that?


Yeah, they don't keep lions and their prey in the same zone Bond. [/b][/quote]
I went through the ENTIRE park genius, no Lions, no big cats at all to be seen, not because they weren't out there, because they were either resting, or eating, or what not, who knows.

There are Mohave Green Rattlesnakes, Big Horn Sheep, Bobcats and coyotes, and even wild Horses in the desert here in Nevada, and you don't see them everytime you take a nice ride out to Lake Mead or Red Rock, or the Valley of Fire.

Are you getting the point yet Mann? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>for one, the Raptors didn't care to take the humans until the last few moments of them at the park. [/b][/quote]

WTF? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Also, the Spinosaurus seems attrached to the T-rex anyway, since they say in JP3 that he came when he smelled them.[/b][/quote]

Uh...the Spinosaurus was already there, the T-Rex followed the humans and that's how all that happened.

And that has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about, btw.

I was giving a perfectly legitimate reason(s) why the Spinosaurus didn't show in JP2.

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I went through the ENTIRE park genius, no Lions, no big cats at all to be seen, not because they weren't out there, because they were either resting, or eating, or what not, who knows.
[/b][/quote]

NO, the Lions and Tigers and such are separated from the others. How can you not know this? If you went through the park, As I have about 10 times in my whole life, you would listen to the fact that they don't put the lions and zebras next to each other cuase they would DIE! The Tigers and Lions are right next to the large pens with the herbavor animals. Go on the ride again. the big cats usually sleep, but you can see them. They are cagged off.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>There are Mohave Green Rattlesnakes, Big Horn Sheep, Bobcats and coyotes, and even wild Horses in the desert here in Nevada, and you don't see them everytime you take a nice ride out to Lake Mead or Red Rock, or the Valley of Fire.
[/b][/quote]

This is true, but the fact is that these animals have no real boundaries and are free to stay in their own spot. The animals on Jurassic Park are considerably larger from those animals and on a much smaller piece of land and it seems like in JP3, the spinosaurus was able to find anyone in a matter of minutes. It seems like they were saying he was the dominant species on the Island, and since the crew in JP2 basically went around the entire Island, i find it funny that they didn't attrach it's attention.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Uh...the Spinosaurus was already there, the T-Rex followed the humans and that's how all that happened.
[/b][/quote]

Well use the fact that the Spinosaurus is attrached to the T-Rex in JP2, the Spinosaurous would have probably have been following them and run across the group.

[Handothrawn]

This is easy to explain, since the islands in 2 and 3 were two different islands.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

^If that's true, then they screwed up big time.
In JP3, Billy says that they are on Isla Sorna.
And it's already been told officially that JP2
also takes place on Isla Sorna.

I think we're missing something.
The fact that we're supposed to just have
fun with the movies and not make big issues
out of nothing.
You ask "where was the Spinosaurus in JP2?"
Well... Where were the Mother and Father and all
the other Tyrannosaurus Rex in JP3,
surely they didn't only make 2 or 3 Tyrannosaurus'.
The Tyrannosaurus in JP3 was the baby from JP2.
Which means that the Spinosaurus was most likely
also a baby in JP2, meaning that he didn't go anywhere.
But then that also raises another question:
Where are the Mother and Father Spinosaurus,
or was the Spinosaurus the first one ever made.
I'd more believe question #2 "or was the Spinosaurus the first one ever made"
It had only been a few months to a year since the incident
on Isla Nublar (JP1), which means at site B, they most likely
had time to create at least one Spinosaurus.

I'm still giving this some serious thought,
so this all may change in the future.

[Mann]

Originally posted by Handothrawn@Aug 7 2003, 12:25 AM
This is easy to explain, since the islands in 2 and 3 were two different islands.
you musta missed the point they made at the beginning of the film, where it says: SITE B RESTRICTED!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm still giving this some serious thought,
so this all may change in the future.
[/b][/quote]

I just say: Hey, the way they describe dinosaurs is physically impossible anyway, so whatever. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Mann: I just say: Hey, the way they describe dinosaurs is physically impossible anyway, so whatever. [/b][/quote]
Good point, Mann style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
One impossible thing:
Recent research on the raptors showed that
there was no possible way for the raptors
to be smart or develop in knowledge. (They
were actually almost as dumb-minded as the Stegosaurus).
Meaning they wouldn't know how to
open doors and such.
Now this information I do know to be true.

[Jesse]

When does Jurrassic Park IV premier? ???

[Darth Vegas]

Sometime after it's been made. They're aiming for summer 2005, probably won't happen though.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 14 2003, 06:38 PM
Sometime after it's been made. They're aiming for summer 2005, probably won't happen though.
I think 2005 is the time, since all the movies are spaced 4 years apart.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah but they havn't even began production yet, they don't even have a director yet I don't think.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 16 2003, 01:49 PM
Yeah but they havn't even began production yet, they don't even have a director yet I don't think.
I thought Speilberg was thinking about directing this one. Has he decided to let someone else direct again and maybe just produce it?

[Darth Vegas]

He ain't directing it, he's busy with Terminal and then Indy 4.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 16 2003, 02:25 PM
He ain't directing it, he's busy with Terminal and then Indy 4.
Oh! That's true. He's way too busy.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Aug 16 2003, 07:25 PM
He ain't directing it, he's busy with Terminal and then Indy 4.
Terminal is next, then Indy 4, which will probably be out in 2006.

[P-Ray]

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