The Man Who Would be Emperor

[JediBendu]

Does Palpatine have to proclaim himself to be Emperor in the next flick? *Given the only mention in ep4 is
'..I've just received word that the Emperor has disolved the council permanently'
but it's 18 odd years between ep3-4
If GL is focusing on Anakin becoming Vader, Palpatine (at the end of the film) could still be seen as Supreme Chancellor, but also revealed [to the audience] as Darth Sidious.

[Senator Theant]

I think that the transistion from Republic to Empire will be made most obvious with Palpatine's assuming himself Emperor. In my opinion, thats what Lucas is aiming for, the most simplistic way to get the idea across. We dont necessarily have to see Palpatine's declaration, it could come in the form of a dialogue, much like we saw Tarkin explain the dissolution of the Senate.

[JediBendu]

ya - I was more referring to the declaration/ceremony. Would it be a gradual introduction as emperor such that no one really notices until too late, or a grand announcement in the Senate, broadcast throughout the galaxy?

[QuigonWindu]

If he didn't proclaim himself to be emperor I'd be really disapointed with the movie.

[JediBendu]

but how woud the Senate allow it? Granting emergency powers is one thing, but to say "I'm now the Emperor" would be a little hard to swallow.

[QuigonWindu]

By then he would have the entire army behind him.

[Obidobi]

Originally posted by quigonwindu@July 27 2002 - 03:02
By then he would have the entire army behind him.
Yeah. It would be somthing like: Accept it or die!

[JediBendu]

Plus his dark side powers are already controlling hundreds of senators - as long as Palpy keeps their pockets lined I'm sure they wouldn't care if he declared himself Queen of the Universe :D

[Senator Theant]

ya - I was more referring to the declaration/ceremony. Would it be a gradual introduction as emperor such that no one really notices until too late, or a grand announcement in the Senate, broadcast throughout the galaxy?

Well Im not too sure what a graudual introduction as emperor could be, but if your referring to a gradual transition from Republic to Empire than the answer is most certainly "yes". Thats what the prequels are all about, isnt it? As for his "coronation", I would think that Palpatine would prefer something more subtle than an outright declaration. Perhaps in his masterful manner of twisting the truth, he would say something like:

"These years of war have shattered the Republic. I come before you now to accept the great burden of restoring the order throughout the galaxy. As the final act under my emergency powers, I grant myself the authority to create a New Order, under which the galaxy may thrive in peace for all generations to come."

And then he runs back to his office where he laughs his ass off until the wee hours of the mornin. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Polunis]

Originally posted by JediBendu@July 26 2002 - 23:01
Plus his dark side powers are already controlling hundreds of senators - as long as Palpy keeps their pockets lined I'm sure they wouldn't care if he declared himself Queen of the Universe :D
You have an interesting way of viewing things. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif Besides, I think we will probably hear something from him, and I think it will be another load of Palpatine b.s. which I happen to like. GL will hopefully make it believeable.

[Phantomised Menace]

"And then he runs back to his office where he laughs his ass off until the wee hours of the mornin."


style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif :lol: :hehe: :lol:

[JediBendu]

Just as long as he takes his mascara off before bed - those panda eyes can be ugly *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/flirt.gif :eek:

[Polunis]

Originally posted by JediBendu@July 29 2002 - 18:06
Just as long as he takes his mascara off before bed - those panda eyes can be ugly :flirt: :eek:
You said it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Palpatine]

Think about it. The entire situation is just like in ancient Rome. There was an enormous civil war (a.k.a. the Clone Wars), and then Augustus got himself declared emperor. Actually, the Senate offered him the title, because he "saved Rome." Plus he had an entire army behind him. I think the same thing could easily happen in Episode III -- because Palpatine has saved the galaxy, he will be granted the title of emperor -- and he also has a huge army behind him, plus the force.

[JediBendu]

He'd also have to work in the Jedi being responsible for starting the war, blaming them for all the death and destruction that occured.

[yoda's little clone]

Basically the Emperor is playing both sides. The Droid Armies are testing out the Clone Army and at the same time are being tested by the Emperor. The Emperor will take control of the winner. When he does, they will fear him because he will control an army of unimaginable power. The loser is just an example. Then the Senate will challenge him, but he will reveal he is the Dark lord of the Sith. They will bring the Jedi, but many will die trying to reach him. In the mean time he gets Dooku to fight Anikan and turns Anakin. So now the Emperor has another person to help him intimidate those who oppose him. I belive this is how the emperor gets control if not just reply

[Justin]

Jar Jar gave Palpatine "emergency powers" that give him total control over the Republic, so all he has to do is tell everybody he's the Emperor. He already has the power.

[Mann]

Doesn't he disolve the Imperial Senate? So the Senate doesn't get destroyed.

[JediBendu]

The Senate wouldn't challenge him - that's the whole point. He'd be seen as a 'saviour' of the Republic - revealing the true enemies who've caused the galaxy to be at war for 3 years. Once the Clone Wars are finished, his 'emergency' powers will be used to outlaw the Jedi, and convince the Senate that such a move would be beneficial to the galaxy.

[JadiaMaster]

I think Palpatine is right with the whole ancient rome thing. I've noticed alot that Lucas is basing stuff on real events. What do you want to bet he has it that the Jedi Temple is destroyed by two passenger ships crashing into it by stormtrooper high-jackers??





style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif [QUOTE] He told me you killed him!

[Luvinna.]

I like the Roman Empire theory, too. *Though if you read the prologue that is in the front of the novelization of ANH, it say that Palpatine takes the title of President of the Republic and then declares himself Emperor. *

What do you want to bet he has it that the Jedi Temple is destroyed by two passenger ships crashing into it by stormtrooper high-jackers??

Please, no! *That's not even funny, and I don't think George would do it.

[JediBendu]

Actually he might - the Jedi temple's destruction is going to be pretty full on scene - he could have a Jedi Transport taking off, only to be shot down and crash into the temple.

[Luvinna.]

A transport being shot down and crashing into the Temple is completely different from a transport being hijacked and crashing into the Temple. At least in my mind.

[Luvinna.]

Anyhoo...

Not that I'm saying this is how it will be, but this is what it says in the prologue of the novelization of ANH:

The Old Republic was the Republic of legend, greater than distance or time. No need to note where it was or whence it came, only to know that . . . it was the Republic.
Once, under the wise rule of the Senate and the protection of the Jedi Knights, the Republic throve and grew. But as often happens when wealth and power pass beyond the admirable and attain the awesome, then appear those evil ones who have greed to match.
So it was with the Republic at its height. Like the greatest of trees, able to withstand any external attack, the Republic rotted from within though the danger was not visible from the outside.
Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungery individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerse, the ambitions Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic.
Once secure in office, he delared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach is ears.
Having exterminated through treachery and deception the Jedi Knights, guardians of justice in the galaxy, the Imperial governors and bureaucrats prepared to institute a reign of terror among the disheartened worlds of the galaxy. Many used the imperial forces and the name of the increasingly isolated Emperor to further their own personal ambitions.
But a small number of systems rebelled at these new ortrages. Declaring themselves opposed to the New Order they began the great battle to restore the Old Republic.
From the beginning they were vastly outnumbered by the systems held in the thrall of the Emperor. In those first dark days it seemed certain the bright flame of resistance would be extinguished before it could cast the light of new truth across a galaxy of oppressed and beaten peoples...

From the First Saga
Journal of the Whills

IMO, it's been interesting to see how this prologue has been worked into the prequels and how much of it has come to pass so far.

[JediBendu]

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Interesting the Emperor is protrayed as a hands off kinda guy, letting his cronnies run the governing of the Empire

'The regional governors will have direct control over their territories' - tarkin, anh

I wonder if it's really Vader who gives the orders while the Emperor hides away and delves into the depths of the Sith Holocron, only to surface when the Son of Skywalker makes his appearance.