Boba Fett Official thread.

[Saranac]

While reading a book entitled, "Tales of the Bounty Hunters."

It says in Boba Fett's section in the story that his real name was Jaster Mereel.[B]After he was exiled on the planet of Concord Dawn he changed his name to Boba Fett.

In AOTC his fathers name is Jango Fett, so how did this happen.This is impossible his fathers name would have to be Jango Mereel.

Either the book is screwed up or Lucas just forgot about that.

Somebody write if they know anything about this.

[Kenny]

Read Jango Fett: Open Seasons, they explain it.

[Saranac]

Where do I find it I've never heard of that book.

[Darth Badly]

The only stuff that counts is what's in the actual films. All the rest is other peoples guesses. Uncle George don't care about that stuff.

[Saranac]

Your probaly right.

But people want to expand past the movies get to know some characters more specifically.

[Saranac]

Does anyone know anything about "Jango Fett: Open Seasons."

I've never seen it anywhere.

[Saranac]

Hey Tover maybe I want this thread bumped up.

Its also to good to miss.

[obi1kenobi]

George don't care about no about no EU back stories, and it's probably because he wasn't going to include Boba Fett until the last minute when he changed the storyline of Ep. II

[Luthien]

The Jaster Meerel story was just someone else's guess, and George specifically said that he was going to ignore that story and write Boba the way HE wanted him to be, not the way the EU said.

[Nathan Butler]

The Jaster background for Fett was in "The Last One Standing," a story in, as he said, TOTBH.

Originally, we had no info on Fett's background. The first real attempt at giving him a background was in the Marvel Comics series cycle including "The Search Begins" and "Death in the City of Bone," where Fenn Shysa says he's a Mandalorian Supercommando, one of only a handful to survive fighting on Mandalore during the Clone Wars.

However, when the Official Continuity project was officially (yes, bad pun) started in 1991, LFL chose NOT to include the Marvel Comics in that continuity, making them Apocryphal. As such, they could go back and rewrite Fett's backstory however they chose.

This they did, first with a mention of his background as once having been a stormtrooper in the Dark Empire cycle (particularly in the audio drama version), then in "The Last One Standing," where he was made Journeyman Protector Jaster Mareel of Concord Dawn.

The Jaster thing was Official. The stormie thing was Official for later in his life. The Mandalore thing was Apocryphal. There was no Canonical backstory yet.

Then when GL started gearing up for AOTC, he chose to give us Fett's backstory, creating a Canon (1st Level, at that!) backstory for the character as the unaltered clone of Jango Fett.

This, obviously, would have invalidated the Official backstory, which now also included the Marvel events, as that series was once again made Official.

So we had a chain of odd events, but one major hitch: Boba isn't Jaster Mereel. So, how did they fix it?

They created a comic book mini-series (currently on issue #3) entitled Jango Fett: Open Seasons and a video game called Bounty Hunter. In JF:OS, we learn that Concord Dawn was JANGO Fett's homeworld, and JANGO's father was the Journeyman Protector, who took over from Jaster Mereel.

Jaster, meanwhile, had become a Mandalorian Supercommando. What were they? Well, according to Official sources, Mandalorian Supercommandoes began as a military-like force on Mandalore, but then some broke off to act as mercenaries.

Jaster was part of this merc group, which then split in half, one half led by Jaster, one half (the Death Watch) led by Vizsla. Vizsla then went to Concord Dawn looking for Jaster, killing Jaster's replacement, Jango's father, which left Jango an orphan.

Jaster then took Jango in and treated him like a son. Finally, when betrayal by jealous rival Montross left Jaster dead, Jango took over as leader of the Mandalorian group, and Montross vanished until the events of the BH video game.

So, is Boba the same man as Jaster Mereel? No, but he has learned the lessons Jaster bestowed upon Jango.

So, the beginning of The Last One Standing is still valid, from a certain point of view. It is only the lines saying that Boba is Jaster that are thrown out now, like Hobbie's death sentence in the ESB novelization.

Canon wins, but LFL makes great strides in new Official publications and decrees to make it all still work.

Simple, ey?

[Saranac]

That clears things up.

[Saranac]

I'll check into this "Jango Fett: Open Seasons" comic.

[Nathan Butler]

"That's m'job."

[Angel_Blue]

I read i the New Essential Guide to Characters that Boba also wears Jasters armor so the story of the two diffrent people got scewed over the years,so that is why people think Boba is Jaster. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Nathan Butler]

Gah, let's just resurrect THIS thread while the Boba Fett is not Dead thread has already gotten Saranac in a bloody tizzy.

TOCAB got it right, though. That's how Lucasfilm is spinning it. *The full story is covered in the NEGtC, JF:OS comics, and BH video game.

(And if you've got the NEGtC, check out the page under acknowledgements! *Woohoo! (http://www.starwarz.com/timeline/irock.jpg))

[Marko Ragnos]

Jaster Mereel was jangos mentor!

[Max Starkiller]

Originally posted by marko_ragnos@Jun 22 2005, 12:08 PM
Jaster Mereel was jangos mentor!
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Thanks for adding that level. It's like O'Toole's commentary: (an addition to Murphy's law) Murphy was an opimist.

[Justin]

Originally posted by Nathan Butler@Jul 23 2002, 03:59 PM
The Jaster background for Fett was in "The Last One Standing," a story in, as he said, TOTBH.

Originally, we had no info on Fett's background. *The first real attempt at giving him a background was in the Marvel Comics series cycle including "The Search Begins" and "Death in the City of Bone," where Fenn Shysa says he's a Mandalorian Supercommando, one of only a handful to survive fighting on Mandalore during the Clone Wars.

However, when the Official Continuity project was officially (yes, bad pun) started in 1991, LFL chose NOT to include the Marvel Comics in that continuity, making them Apocryphal. *As such, they could go back and rewrite Fett's backstory however they chose.

This they did, first with a mention of his background as once having been a stormtrooper in the Dark Empire cycle (particularly in the audio drama version), then in "The Last One Standing," where he was made Journeyman Protector Jaster Mareel of Concord Dawn.

The Jaster thing was Official. *The stormie thing was Official for later in his life. The Mandalore thing was Apocryphal. There was no Canonical backstory yet.

Then when GL started gearing up for AOTC, he chose to give us Fett's backstory, creating a Canon (1st Level, at that!) backstory for the character as the unaltered clone of Jango Fett.

This, obviously, would have invalidated the Official backstory, which now also included the Marvel events, as that series was once again made Official.

So we had a chain of odd events, but one major hitch: *Boba isn't Jaster Mereel. *So, how did they fix it?

They created a comic book mini-series (currently on issue #3) entitled Jango Fett: Open Seasons and a video game called Bounty Hunter. *In JF:OS, we learn that Concord Dawn was JANGO Fett's homeworld, and JANGO's father was the Journeyman Protector, who took over from Jaster Mereel.

Jaster, meanwhile, had become a Mandalorian Supercommando. *What were they? *Well, according to Official sources, Mandalorian Supercommandoes began as a military-like force on Mandalore, but then some broke off to act as mercenaries.

Jaster was part of this merc group, which then split in half, one half led by Jaster, one half (the Death Watch) led by Vizsla. *Vizsla then went to Concord Dawn looking for Jaster, killing Jaster's replacement, Jango's father, which left Jango an orphan. *

Jaster then took Jango in and treated him like a son. *Finally, when betrayal by jealous rival Montross left Jaster dead, Jango took over as leader of the Mandalorian group, and Montross vanished until the events of the BH video game.

So, is Boba the same man as Jaster Mereel? *No, but he has learned the lessons Jaster bestowed upon Jango. *

So, the beginning of The Last One Standing is still valid, from a certain point of view. It is only the lines saying that Boba is Jaster that are thrown out now, like Hobbie's death sentence in the ESB novelization.

Canon wins, but LFL makes great strides in new Official publications and decrees to make it all still work.

Simple, ey?
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What a mess! Perfect example of why I can't stand the EU.

[goodwije]

and just think, if the rumors are true and Boba has even small cameos in the TV series it might change it all again, and then new comics and games will have to written and old lines thrown out.

I liked it better when if something was contradictory to the canon story we could just toss the whole thing.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

That just makes it more confusing. I want to understand the whole story.

[Findsman]

Sometimes it seems that EU material really tangles everything up. It seems so much simpler just to trace the character's origin forward from AOTC. That way it is straightforward and easy to grasp. Sure, there's gaps in Boba's development/training that the EU can fill in, but hopefully it's nothing like this mess.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

^Yes it does. According to the movies, he is Boba Fett, Jango's clone. In the comics, Jango wants Boba created so that Boba will be Jaster Mareel's legacy.

[James]

The EU makes me yawn.

[numah1fan]

Originally posted by Saranac@Jul 22 2002, 07:35 PM
While reading a book entitled, "Tales of the Bounty Hunters."

It says in Boba Fett's section in the story that his real name was Jaster Mereel.[B]After he was exiled on the planet of Concord Dawn he changed his name to Boba Fett.

In AOTC his fathers name is Jango Fett, so how did this happen.This is impossible his fathers name would have to be Jango Mereel.

Either the book is screwed up or Lucas just forgot about that.

Somebody write if they know anything about this.
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dont listen to the eu

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Why not?

[James]

Because it ain't always correct. There are HUGE contradictions between EU and the films.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

So we'll have to slim it down a bit and determine fact from fantasy.

[BomarrPunk]

^ hate to break it to you man, but its all fantasy! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[James William Alexander Atreides]

No, its not. EU has to fill in the blanks.

[goodwije]

I think, and yes i am stealing this from Nathan, the best way to look at it is that there are 2 saga's. The first is the movies, the second is the movies plus everything else.

that said, lets not turn this into a EU versus canon debate, there are certainly plenty of those in the world. I think the first post pretty much defines the scope of the discussion as moviesplus.

If all you have to add is.. i don't like EU, or listen, or read or whatever.. well than just move along.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Okay.

[hey you]

Boba Fett was using a false name. He had to use Jaster Mereel so that the name Boba Fett wouldn't have a criminal record on it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/jangofett.gif

[Darth Magnus]

Originally posted by hey you@Jul 15 2005, 10:18 AM
Boba Fett was using a false name. He had to use Jaster Mereel so that the name Boba Fett wouldn't have a criminal record on it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/jangofett.gif
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I like the thinking here its the easiest explanation, Boba obviously did thing that could be considered criminal, so it makes perfect sense that he would have aliases. i think the EU is basically rubbish tho and really dont care much about it.

[master-kev]

Is it canon?

[James William Alexander Atreides]

If it's EU, probably not. But the history of Boba Fett is well established.

[Darth Platis]

i Know this is off topic but saranac said that Jango was Boba's father but he's not. Boba is a clone of Jango. Tomwee Said that Janga wanted an unaltered clone for himself. (Tomwee is a kaminoeon)

[Obidobi]

Do you mean Lama su?

[Obi-wannabe]

What is so great about Boba Fett? What is his allure? His armour is pretty cool but in reality I always wondered why most fans loved his character. He was weak in ROTJ, and in Empire he was kinda cool and mysteryous but I am sorry he had the same appeal to me as Lando or Bail Organa. He stood there like a statue. But the character is huge in merchandising, books, enough to include his character in the PT. I know there will be very few fans who agree with me but I never thought he was that cool.

P.S His father was also kind of a slouch. Never shoot a Jedi master.

[Dark Helmet]

exactly. he does nothing. ever. except get killed.

[Braden Dar]

Come now, gentlemen. Boba Fett was known as the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy. He didn't do stupid tricks to get attention. Nor did he waste his breath on ridiculous one-liners. He did his job with utter (cold) efficency. He was the master of self-discipline and looked awesome to boot.
The man was a mystery, and no one could get into his head. I love the way (most) of the EU expands upon his character.
Thank you Jeremy Bulloch for your most amazing performance. Kudos!!!!

[techno-union]

He was one hardcore clone.

[MANVERU]

I believe you guys need to read some EU material before jumping to hasty decisions

[Obi-wannabe]

Originally posted by MANVERU@Mar 7 2006, 11:21 PM
I believe you guys need to read some EU material before jumping to hasty decisions
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I am basing this only on the movies.

[Brydn Kit Ti]

Yeah but he still does'nt die in the movies...:p

[Obidobi]

Merged with official thread...

[Das]

i heard boba fett was actually a transvestite who sold his body for wookie scalps.

anyone else heard of that?

[JMAS]

:rolleyes: .Oh please. Grow up.

[Das]

haha. are you serious?

jesus christ, lighten up, you'll make more friends that way.

[SilensTemplum]

His backpack's got jets. Oh noez.

<33

[Darth Darthy]

Oooh! It's gone all TFn in this thread.

[Obidobi]

Stop spamming or warns will start to get names on it...!

[Braden Dar]

And as for all this "EU is junk" stuff. Let's remember that the books were written by authors given license to write what was written. (?) Then, some years later, Lucas decided to make his own backstory (which he hadn't conceived of until the 90's). Lucas, being the "title holder" as the champion of Star Wars, came up with his own ideas as to how Boba came about. Lucas never put anything in the films that says point-blank that there was no Jaster Mureel, or that Boba never had received any training from such a person, or that Jango didn't receive some training from him. The Prequels do not include the history of Jango Fett or the maturation of Boba Fett. Thereby, only the lines stating that Boba and Jaster are the same people are invalid in that context. The history of where Boba comes from is only valid as the film tells it. But Boba Fett could still have connections to Concord Dawn (hate the name) and the Journeymen (don't much care for that name, either). And he evidently is not a Mandalorian.
I digress. Lucas changed the EU established story that was authorized by LucasFilmsLimited, which is the body that Lucas authorized to give such authorization. (?) So the stories being all messed up is not the fault of the EU, but rather, Lucas. He, changed everything. The EU's perceived contradictions are caused by the same individual...Lucas. He has changed things in the Prequels, and to a small extent the Original Trilogy, and made everything a mess for us fans.
Again, don't blame the EU if one man, seen as being the authority, has a brain fart and alters everybodies history. What would happen if he went back and told the story where Luke found out that Vader was not his father, but had actually killed Anakin? Or that Anakin was truelly a crewman on a freighter?
Or that Luke and Leia weren't siblings...they were secretly lovers that used the sibling cover to keep their love hidden from Han, whom the Rebels needed to win the war against the Empire?
He could do such a thing...and it would be his perogitive. He is infallable, after all.
:banghead:
:shots:

[Darth Darthy]

Lucas also didn't put anything into the films that says point-blank that there are no talking Banthas with the ability to juggle Jawas while singing a traditional Welsh Hymn and gargle water at the same time. But for the moment I shall asume that it doesn't exsist.

I read a while ago a very good point. There are two types of Star Wars nerd:
Those who grew up watching the movies long before EU novels exsisted/were taken seriously (Marvel comics, Droid+Ewok spinoffs and Splinter of the Thingy were fun but ultimately silly),

And those that discovered Star Wars with EU already established. Young whipper snappers if you will.

There is also a third splinter group of Star Trek fans who came over to the light side after that franchise died a death but that's another story.

There will always be those who firmly believe EU is solid and equally, there will always be those who believe if George see's fit to step on that then it's not cannon. It can't be if it's not his vision.

[Rabid Whiphid]

Somebody above asked how Boba Fett, a character who looks great but admittedly doesn't do much in the movies, ever became so popular in the first place.

As one of those first-generation Star Wars nerds (who experienced the films as they were coming out long before the EU existed), I think I can explain... Or at least I can explain it from my point of view.

I was in kindergarten in 1977 when ANH came out. Like all my other friends, I was a rabid fan from the get-go. I collected all the toys and played with them every single day. Star Wars was my life, as a kid.

OK, so, fastforward a couple years to 1979. I'm in the second grade. Suddenly, on all the action figure boxes, there start appearing photographs of a brand new Star Wars action figure... of a character I didn't recognize. He had a silly sounding name but he looked every bit as cool as Darth Vader, and he was all different colors. And next to his picture was text explaining that this guy is going to be "A New Villain in the Star Wars Sequel Movie!" I mean, me and all my second-grade friends were seeing these little ads and reading this explanation months before the title "The Empire Strikes Back" had even been announced. And what made it even more intriguing was that LFL hadn't yet released any actual photographs of the "real" Boba Fett, you had to discern what he looked like from just these little photos of the new action figure. Another cool thing was that he was a special order figure. You mailed in "proofs of purchase" to Kenner Toys and they would mail you a free Boba Fett action figure. So you could have the toy of this guy and play with it months before the actual movie even came out. It was obviously part of their big promotion to kick off their toyline for the second film. So naturally, me and all my friends sent away for him and that also added to our fascination for the character, I think, waiting and waiting for that figure to finally arrive in the mail.

Another thing that Kenner Toys did was that, they had these little "Star Wars Toy Collection" booklets that came packaged with the bigger toys like the ships and stuff, so you could see pictures of all the toys available in the Star Wars line. Well, I just remember, that after getting a few spaceships for Christmas 1979, looking in one of those little booklets, at the section that showed the collection of 12" figures, and there was a picture of the brand new 12" Boba Fett. Me and my friends just went ga-ga for that, because there was this same character but in even better detail than the regular 3" action figure. The photo of the 12" Boba gave an even clearer idea to us kids of what this "new villain" was going to look like.

So all of this led to a huge anticipation on the part of us youngsters, to finally see this character for real in the movie. I don't even remember any of us being disappointed that he didn't do much. It was cool enough just to see him alive and moving around and talking.

For myself and the other kids I grew up with, I can say that our fascination with Boba Fett was fostered by the toys. I'd be willing to bet it probably happened that way for a lot of people.

(Note: I am aware that Boba was fist shown as a cartoon in the Holiday Special released in 1978, and I do remember watching that show on TV as a kid. But I either didn't remember Boba from it when I started seeing the action figure promotion the following year, or didn't make the connection that it was the same guy (the cartoon version DID look a lot different). Or who knows maybe I saw most of the Special but missed the cartoon segment somehow. Not sure what the missing puzzle piece is there, but my first memory of Boba Fett was the action figure as explained in the story above.)

[RollaFett]

That certainly holds water, Whiphid. I was only 5 at the time you're talking about, and can't say that I remember with any clarity any anticipation. What I do remember, however, is that once I had the Boba Fett action figure, it quickly became my favorite. As a result, he still remains in my top 5 of favorite characters.

[Braden Dar]

Yeah, I was only like two years old when Star Wars came out. I remember several years later (my parents used to "pirate" movies when we were overseas [in Germany], so they liked to see movies) when I was carrying around an AT-AT driver figure and I had Luke in his Tatooine outfit and his speeder. I got Boba Fett and his Slave I and I, too, was hooked. I have been a Star Wars fan since way back then, and I still love the EU, as well. I think any one with EU Canon/Continuity issues to check out Nathan Butler's "Timeline Gold". Go to Star Wars Fanworks (http://www.starwarsfanworks.com) and follow the links to the timeline download.

And be sure to read the Appendices. It is as vital to understanding the Star Wars timeline and what is Canon and what counts as anything. Butler did a great job to keep up on everything and get it written down. Again, kudos to you Nathan. I for one am glad you made such an effort and gave it to us for free. I am in your fan club, man.

[Fett_rulz]

my mom took me to the Phantom Menace when i was like 8 or 9. i have loved star wars ever since. that was the best day of my life(so far). :yoda:

[Dark Helmet]

Originally posted by Das@Mar 9 2006, 02:44 PM
i heard boba fett was actually a transvestite who sold his body for wookie scalps.

anyone else heard of that?
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i heard he was a male stripper in Jabba's palace. :D
i think boba fett is highly overrated, i mean he never actually does anything cool in any of the movies!

[Enfilade]

I just like men in Mandalorian armour. What can I say?

*ahem*

Anyway, considering how the Mandalorian culture views adoption, whether or not you can consider Jango Boba's biological father or not is irrelevant. You raise the kid Mandalorian, you're his father, according to Mandalorians (who I suspect, don't give a crap what anyone else thinks)

[matthius]

Originally posted by Obi-wannabe@Mar 7 2006, 07:49 PM


P.S His father was also kind of a slouch. Never shoot a Jedi master.
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um, Jango does kill many jedi masters in the eu comics(44 B.B.Y. at the battle of Galidraan[even with his bare hands])

[matthius]

OK, beleive me or not everyone has different veiws on Boba fett's past, and name[Jaster Mereel]. I've just read about this neat theory.But first I'll go over both theories of Boba's past. //////// 1.)Boba Fett is a clone of Jango Fett the bounty hunter, and inherits his awsome fighting abilities /////////2.)Boba Fett is actually Jaste Mereel, born on the planet Concord Dawn(isn't a clone of Jango Fett), and committed a crime and had to take on the alias of Boba Fett. /////////The ultimate Theory!-Boba Fett is a clone of jango Fett the Mandalorian, jaster Mereel was Jango's Mandalorian mentor, Jango makes a clone of himself to carry on the legacy of Jaster Mereel. At some point between 19 BBY and 12 BBY, Boba fell in love with Kiffar bounty hunter Sintas Vel, most likely during Fett's stint as a Journeyman Protector on his father's homeworld of Concord Dawn, where Fett was known as Jaster Mereel. They married and had one daughter, Ailyn Vel. Eventually, Boba left his family (it is speculated that he did so to keep them away from the enemies he was to make as a bounty hunter due to comments he has made regarding females in other stories). On Ailyn's sixteenth birthday, her mother died in pursuit of a bounty. Ailyn later became a bounty hunter herself, developing a strict adherence to the Bounty Hunters' Creed and nurturing an intense loathing of the father she had never known.-info qouted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boba_Fett