TV: Angel

[BobPalpatine]

Angel renewed (http://aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=15184)

Yea, so Spike is going to be a regular cast member, which is cool, but why no Cordelia???? :0

[Darth Badly]

They had some problems with Cordy last season hence her missing from the first few episodes. maybe she wants more time with her new family.

Is Spikey confirmed for sure?

[kopernikuz]

She just had a baby. Maybe she's thinking of staying home a while. It'll be different without her.

[moocat]

You mean it will be better without her.


All the best episodes this year were light on Cordelia.

[BobPalpatine]

That is because they severely messed up her character. She was too, not Cordy like. Anya is a better Cordy in Buffy than Cordy is in Angel...

Yes, this is all confirmed BTW. Angel will be on Wednesdays, it will air after Smallville. I can't beleive they are moving Smallville to Wednesdays. I wonder how many fans that will piss off, after it being on Tuesdays for the last 2 seasons.

[moocat]

<span style="color:purple">Com'on Bob. You know, that I know, that you know, that I know, what you said, I already knew, but you knew that, and now we know. </span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[BobPalpatine]

Has anyone told you that your avatar is severely distrubing? I'm gonna keep picturing you as a hermaphrodite.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[jade51999]

hey dude..no problem with me..but knowing that Spike is gonna be on Angel may prove to be a problemwith some non -spoilerific fans..

so you may want to change the byline of the topic info..

(knowing this implies stuff about the final ep of buffy style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif)
which of course is two weeks away but oh well!

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Grrrrrrrrrrrr, growls at B! Hey that avatar happens to be of my favourite anime character Inu-Yasha! Check out the Kagome one he drew me!

My sweetie is awesome! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/inlove.gif

YAY Spike! Yay no Cordy!!! I'm sorry but I'm glad she's going. I know the reasons for why they did what they did to her character. But for me she is completely ruined! I never ever want to see her with Angel, I'm just always gonna see her doing Connor!

My guess is she just gave birth and wants to spend some time at home with the family!</span></span>

[Streen]

What?! You mean Charisma isn't gonna be on the show at all?! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

Did you see this month's FMH........she BETTER be on next season. :mad:

[nerfer]

<span style="color:c1007e"><span style="font-family:comic sans ms">

Well I guess she could make guest appearances but she's not in the regular cast list, from what Moo found out.</span></span>

[James T. Skywalker]

Well, seeing as the 18th episode last season basically left her brain dead, I can see why she wouldn't be returning for Season 5.

I'm pumped that James Marsters is being added to the cast, but it does make me quite a bit more anxious to see what happens in the Buffy series finale next week.

~JTS

[Saeth]

We're in the middle of the season where Angelus returns, Cordy gets pregnant with Conner's kid (apparently) and that big...magma...rock...thing shows up. Personally, I don't think that's the real Cordy. She's not evil. Or if it is her then it's the child making her evil.

And I think it's great that Spike is joining the new season. Poor guy. He and Angel will get on very well now seeing as they both have souls now. *Is already seeing the slash possibilities.*

[Smeghead]

Originally posted by Saeth@May 17 2003, 02:29 AM
*Is already seeing the slash possibilities.*
<span style="color:green">You and a million other Spangel fans... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Not me however... I've never been much into slash.</span>

[Saeth]

I need ideas for a slashfic...

[James T. Skywalker]

I don't even think that's an appropriate subject to discuss...

So you've gotten only about halfway through Season 4... good luck, this was one tricky season to figure out. I've seen every episode, and there are still things that don't make sense. Well, no, that's wrong, I missed Episode 21, but have seen all the rest (including the finale, ep. 22). It was actually a very thought-provoking season.

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

bump

This just in from Entertainment Weekly:

"Spike is in the hizzy,' says exec producer Joss Whedon, who adds that James Marsters' undead dude will be introduced "painfullly, and with alot of special effects." Meanwhile, Angel has taken over the supernatural law conglomerate Wolfram and Hart. "Last year was one big story for 22 episodes," says Whdeon, "This year we're trying to welcome new viewers, so it's more solve-a-case-every-week." Angel may also get a visit from a certain slayer (if Sarah Michelle Gellar can find tiem between Scooby-Doo sequels). "Now that I ahve her two ex-boyfriends in one room, it's the perfect time to make things even worse." Any more spin-offs planned, Mr. Whedon? "I'm working on Buffy: Deep Space Nine. It will be dark and Badly received."

Oh, BTW, You all heard about the possible Giles-based spin-off "The Ripper"?

[Smeghead]

<span style="color:green">It gets brought up every once in a while. I think it got back-burnered last season while Joss was working on Firefly, and I hadnt really heard anything since then.</span>

[Darth Vegas]

Well now that that shows cancelled Joss is working on a spin-off, he hasn't said exactly what he has in mind though, and there's nothing really official about it, just that he is thinking about one and the WB is more than happy to fit the show in their schedule.

I like the idea of "The Ripper", that would be more interesting to see than something like "Faith the Vampire Slayer" (which they were also considering before Eliza Dushku decided to do that new show).

[Smeghead]

<span style="color:green">I dunno, the concepts I'd heard for Faith werent that bad. And while Ripper sounds cool, I'd still rather have Firefly on. It's a damned shame that it got cancelled in the first place.</span>

[Darth Vegas]

Show probably would've stayed on had it been on the WB or UPN or some other smaller network.

A Faith spin-off doesn't really seem like a bad idea, it's just that we've been to that kinda territory before with Angel, I'd rather have something more original.

[bluemilk]

well I heard a rumour Spike was coming back as a Vampire Slayer, the first male and I'm pretty sure ex-vampire to do it style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif I don't know if he'll be a vampire again since his dead but eh..decides what the powers that be have in store for him.

[Darth Vegas]

They are doing something different with Spike, but I seriously doubt they'd do that, last I heard (and that was recent) Spike is still a vamp but he gets his soul back.

[Clara]

<span style="color:7000CC">It's typical you know. I only just got into Angel and Buffy and both series' end, Buffy for good. Glad Spike is crossing over though. I'm interested to see how they bring him back after what happened in the final episode of Buffy. And think they'll bring Connor back next season? Considering what happened?</span>

[Darth Vegas]

Well now that Firefly's cancelled and Buffy is over, Joss can have a more direct hand in Angel, so maybe he can "fix" the whole Conner thing (which is why I pretty much missed the entire fourth season).

Clara, I didn't get to see the final Episode of Buffy and probably won't for some time, what exactly happened to Spike?

[bluemilk]

Originally posted by Clara@Sep 13 2003, 06:21 AM
And think they'll bring Connor back next season? Considering what happened?
I don't think so, that was the reason for them placing Connor with that family. Hopefully they lose him for good.

[Smeghead]

<span style="color:green">Visit Spoilerslayer.com (http://www.spoilerslayer.com) for all your spoiling needs.

On the last episode of Buffy, she killed the preacher guy, Angel gave her this amulet to stop The First that had to be worn by "Someone more than human, but with a soul." This ends up being Spike.

The whole gang gears up and heads to the school. They go down into the basement and prepare to enter the Seal. Meanwhile, Willow and Kennedy are up in the Principals office, and are preping a spell that will activate *all* the potential Slayers.

The Scoobies go into the Seal, and start fighting Uber-Vamps. Willow casts the spell and floats up in the air. Her hair turns all white and Kennedy calls her a "Goddess" not sure if that'll mean anything long-term or not. All the potentials get activated with full Slayer powers and start kicking ass. Somewhere around here, Anya gets killed by a bringer.

All of a sudden, the amulet Spike is wearing starts to glow, and a beam shoots through the roof, and sunlight starts coming down. It channels through the amulet, and starts toasting the Ubies. The cave starts collapsing, and the Slayers leave, but Spike isnt moving. Buffy tells him she loves him, and he says "No you don't, but thanks for saying that"

Buffy leaves, the sunlight dusts Spike, and the Hellmouth starts collapsing. The rest of the Scoobies are in a school bus moving out of town as Buffy runs along the rooftops to catch up, moving just ahead of the expanding crater as Sunnydale collapses. She gets in, and they drive off, only stopping as the crater stops.

Sunnydale is gone. All that's left is a hugeass crater and a "Welcome to Sunnydale" sign that falls into the crater as we watch. They all comment on how it's been a hell of a battle, and how there are now all these girls out there with Slayer power, and how there's another Hellmouth in Cleaveland. Fade to black.

Of course, that's really just the barebones highlights, and I prolly forgot/mixed up a few things since I only saw the episode once.</span>

[Darth Vegas]

Dang, I wonder what was meant by this then: "Spike is in the hizzy," says exec producer Joss Whedon, who adds that James Marsters' undead dude will be introduced "painfullly, and with alot of special effects."

Sounds like they have a great idea for a spin off right there, as long as it's not like a stupid team of slayers like the A team or Power rangers or something. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

[James T. Skywalker]

Huh. I'd looked for this thread a while back, and couldn't find it.

Good stuff. Maybe should turn this into a general Angel topic?

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah, we should do that.

[Smeghead]

<span style="color:green">Done. :o)</span>

[James T. Skywalker]

Good stuff, thanks Smeg!

~JTS

[James T. Skywalker]

First episode of Season 5, "Conviction" airs on Wednesday at 9pm after the season premiere of Smallville. Everybody ready for Spike? YEAH!

~JTS

[bluemilk]

of course! with Cordy and his son gone it should get good again style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif looking forward mostly to Smallville though.

[Darth Vegas]

Amen to that! Having Willow and Spike as regulars along with other cameos helps too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[James T. Skywalker]

Um, Willow's not coming to Angel. Spike's the only new regular.

Mercedes McNab, who played Harmony, will also be coming in for 18 guest appearances.

~JTS

[bluemilk]

really? I thought Harmony got dusted! Ahh well should be funny then

[Mann]

Cordellia being gone is sad...

Spike coming on is cool.

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Um, Willow's not coming to Angel. Spike's the only new regular.[/b][/quote]

It's been on new Angel commercial's on the WB. Maybe she'll just guest star on a few Episodes.

[James T. Skywalker]

You may have seen the previews for the last repeat episode of Angel that was shown, Season 4's episode 15, "Orpheus", when Willow showed up and re-ensouled Angel.

According to spoilers from the first seven episodes, NONE of the Scoobies show up.

SPOILER




















According to spoilers from the second episode of Season 5, Buffy is in Europe, supposedly seeking out other slayers from Willows end-of-Buffy spell. She's probably also helping restart the Watcher's Council.

But, other than that little bit, there are no other words on where the Scoobies are at the start of the season. Willow's not in Episode 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7. And those are the only ones that have been worked on (script and filming wise) thus far.

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

Also in a recent update on the official Angel website Joss said that we would also be seeing a few old friends besides Spike in the new season of Angel.

http://www.thewb.com/Shows/Special/0,11116...28486||,00.html (http://www.thewb.com/Shows/Special/0,11116,128486||,00.html)

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by JamesTSkywalker@Sep 27 2003, 09:06 PM
You may have seen the previews for the last repeat episode of Angel that was shown, Season 4's episode 15, "Orpheus", when Willow showed up and re-ensouled Angel.
It's possible, but the commercial I saw was just last month.

I want my cute wittle wesbian witch! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Smeghead]

<span style="color:green">My guess is that any Buffy characters visiting would happen during Sweeps anyway.</span>

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by TK-007+Sep 27 2003, 09:12 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Sep 27 2003, 09:12 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-JamesTSkywalker@Sep 27 2003, 09:06 PM
You may have seen the previews for the last repeat episode of Angel that was shown, Season 4's episode 15, "Orpheus", when Willow showed up and re-ensouled Angel.
It's possible, but the commercial I saw was just last month.

I want my cute wittle wesbian witch! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif [/b][/quote]
Makes sense, since that episode aired earlier this month in primetime repeats (September). The promos for the new season only started airing after that episode was shown back on September 17.

And note that I didn't say that these characters would never show up on Angel. Sarah Michelle Gellar's been pretty much locked to return during sweeps, as Smeg mentioned in his previous post. And if depending on the success of Tru Calling, we may be seeing Faith (Eliza Dushku) at some point this season (or next).

But thus far, there has been no news about Willow appearing in any episodes.

~JTS

[Mann]

Where;s the Faith Spinoff they promised us?

[bluemilk]

it's not getting made because Eliza Dushku is in the new series Tru Calling

[Darth Vegas]

It's not getting made yet, from what I understand a Faith-based spinoff is still very possible, as it seems inevitable that Tru Calling will be cancelled. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by JamesTSkywalker@Sep 28 2003, 03:45 PM
But thus far, there has been no news about Willow appearing in any episodes.
Well I'll be happy no matter what they do, but I suppose I was hoping that Willow's appearance on that last episode of Angel was the beginning of a recurring role on the show.

If she doesn't show up on Angel than hopefully she'll be in a spin off.

[James T. Skywalker]

"Conviction" was a great episode (it's also nice to see how well the title fit this one, too). Joss Whedon is awesome. Can't wait to see Spike in full force next week! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah it was a very interesting Episode, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more of this season... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth_Badman]

Spike is rad....I wish I were a bleach blonde English vampire... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif Okay not really but Spike is pretty cool.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah he's a great character I was just watching some Episode's from season 4 and 5 of Buffy and season 1 of Angel (when he tried to get back the gem of Omara), some of his best moments.

They have some splainin' to do next week as to how he was able to come back.

[James T. Skywalker]

Heh,

I already know how he came back, but I'll save the spoilers for when the episode airs... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

Oh please do tell, we want spoilers!

[James T. Skywalker]

Okay.

SPOILERS AHEAD!

























The medallion that Spike used in the final battle with the army of The First Evil in "Chosen", the one given to Angel by Wolfram and Hart in "Home", was basically an insurance policy for W&H. Yes, the medallion was meant to be used in that fight, but it was also a way to keep Angel from breaking his deal with them. The medallion destroys the physical body of its' wearer, but the spirit body is left intact. Thus, Spike's spirit is what is returning (there's more of a catch to this later in the season). However, he's attached to the amulet, can't leave it. And, because it's the property of Wolfram and Hart, the firm owns Spike.

It'll be more properly explained in the episode, and in subsequent episodes.

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

Ahh, I didn't see the last Episode of Buffy, probably why I dind't know anything about that.

Thanks. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[goodwije]

It was a good episode. I still miss Buffy of course, but Angel is a good show, and lots of fun. I am glad Wesley is back full time. His characters story line, from nerdy uptight watcher to whatever he became last season, has been one of my favorites. Spike and Harmony will bring some much needed smart-assynes back to the show. Gunn having to deal with whatever W&H strings there are for his new memories. Fred just not having it with all the evil peoples at the firm. It is going to be a fun season.

I can't wait to see what is being cooked up for the Bufy spin-off, i feel pretty confident Willow will be involved. Probably Dawn as well.

Smallville was a good show as well. Fun to see Clark Rageing and "bad"... and shirtless style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif ahh that nasty red kryptonite. I am not crazy about the way they portray Jarel, but that should be in another thread.

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by goodwije@Oct 2 2003, 07:12 PM
Smallville was a good show as well. Fun to see Clark Rageing and "bad"... and shirtless style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blush.gif ahh that nasty red kryptonite. I am not crazy about the way they portray Jarel, but that should be in another thread.
I'm gonna have to catch the "Easy View" of that episode, only caught the last half of it thanks to Uni classes.

And it's Jor'El and Cal'El, I believe (may drop the ' and just be a space).

I wish TheWB.com had the preview of "Just Causes" (next week's Angel episode) up on their site, kinda irks me that they don't... grrr WB... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

~JTS

[goodwije]

My understanding of this season on Angel is case by case episodes, so maybe that means no "Big Bad" like previous Angel and Buffy seasons. I hope not, part of the fun of the "Big Bad" story line was having to wait 3 weeks to see where the story went, but i guess it is bad for new viewers. One reason i never got into the X-files was many of the story lines that had ran from the beginning i missed, it was hard to catch up, and i lost interest.

Sorry about the misspell, i don't concentrate on things like that. I love the Superman story (who doesn't) but i am not a die hard fan.

[James T. Skywalker]

I downloaded a pirated copy of the next episode (whoops); it's pretty good; Spike's role is pretty well established. But, it didn't quite have the Joss Whedon flair that the first episode did.

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

Thanks for the tip JTS. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 5 2003, 11:08 AM
Thanks for the tip JTS. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Here to help, Bond. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

I'll still catch it on Wednesday, alot of the effects sequences weren't done, but it was a good episode overall.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Sep 29 2003, 03:54 AM
It's not getting made yet, from what I understand a Faith-based spinoff is still very possible, as it seems inevitable that Tru Calling will be cancelled. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
AMEN! Faith would be a better series.

[Darth Vegas]

bump

[Darth Badly]

I've seen the first two episodes of the new season so far.

Perfered the second one.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah, it was a neat Episode.

There's been 3 shown over here Badly. 3rd was a decent Episode, Angel might have a new girlfriend with a hairy problem...

Next Episode looks to be really good.

[James T. Skywalker]

I've been reading spoilers (up to episode 9) and I feel this season is going in the right direction. The upcoming 4th episode looks to be very intense, which is a nice change of pace for the series, especially this early in the season. Usually they wait to shock you during sweeps... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

~JTS

[Justin]

I saw a couple episodes a while back. I thought it kinda sucked.

[Darth Vegas]

That was probably season 4. They can't all be good Justin, but for the most part both Buffy and Angel have been excellent shows.

[Darth Badly]

Hey Bondy!

We can form a club and defend Buffy!

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah right, lol.

BADF? I think not.

[James T. Skywalker]

I'd join. I'd rather lead, but I'd join. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

~JTS

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 19 2003, 05:47 AM
Yeah right, lol.

BADF? I think not.

How about...

Buffy Angel Defense Force United Combat Knights.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[James T. Skywalker]

Or we could just call ourselves "The Initiative v. 2.0": protecting the world from monsters, creatures of the night, and people who don't like the Buffyverse!

Or not... ??? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

~JTS

P.S. Just caught the acronym, Badly... naughty naughty! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Mann]

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Oct 19 2003, 03:32 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Oct 19 2003, 03:32 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Oct 19 2003, 05:47 AM
Yeah right, lol.

BADF? I think not.

How about...

Buffy Angel Defense Force United Combat Knights.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif [/b][/quote]
lol!

[goodwije]

Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 17 2003, 11:28 PM
Yeah, it was a neat Episode.

There's been 3 shown over here Badly. 3rd was a decent Episode, Angel might have a new girlfriend with a hairy problem...

Next Episode looks to be really good.
Don't know if you guys caught it on wed. but i loved it. Classic Spike, great dialoge between Spike and Angel referring to their evil days and eventual fates. Very dark and very intense. Spike having to make his first choice (since coming to LA anways) envolving morality. Was one of the best Angel episodes ever imo.

[Darth Vegas]

I caught part of it, I'll probably download it so I can watch the whole thing.

[Smeghead]

<span style="color:green">Darn, I seriously wanted to hear more about Los Diablo Robotico... :o)

That was a pretty good episode, methinks.</span>

[James T. Skywalker]

I thought it was a fabulous episode, and from the spoilers I've read, it really sets up the next few episodes (following Episode 7, which is a Wesley-focused ep) very well.

~JTS

[goodwije]

I, so far, have been impressed with this season. The moves Joss made in writers after Buffy ended seem to have improved the show, which i already enjoyed. This was a good episode, had the best of all i like about buffy/angel, and from what i have read the entire season will be along these lines.

BTW: Welcome Back JTS, havent seen you around in awhile.

[James T. Skywalker]

Thanks for the welcome. Lack of internet connection does that to you sometimes. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif Stoopid hard drive! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Anyway, looking forward to the Wesley-centric episode on Wednesday...

~JTS

[bluemilk]

I hope they do something with Spike because so far he's been a dissappointing addition. I don't want to see him remain a ghost.

[Darth Vegas]

I don't think he's been dissapointing at all, I think he's a good addition to the cast, it's good to see his character moving in a new direction - and of course he's not going to remain a ghost from here on out, it's obvious to me that they dragging that ark out over the whole season.

[bluemilk]

well I'm not dissappointed that he's on the show, just I'm dissappointed by him being a ghost. The episode about the werewolve was good but otherwise, not so much. I hope they sort this out soon.

[Darth Vegas]

Which Episode are you on Blue? Here in the states we've seen the first 6 so far.

[goodwije]

I like what they have done with Spike so far, and it appears they are going to continue building his charactor. I am glad he didn't just show up no different. than he was before.

I watched the final Buffy today on FX, gotta say i liked it even better this time. Especially the Spike sacrifice scene.

[bluemilk]

Originally posted by TK-007@Nov 10 2003, 03:54 PM
Which Episode are you on Blue? Here in the states we've seen the first 6 so far.
well the last episode of Angel I saw was the one where he felt disconnected. The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco.

[goodwije]

That is the same episode we are on. With a new one tomorrow.

[Darth Vegas]

Ahh that one, it was a decent Episode, I liked the one before it a bit better though, it was a kinda silly, in a good way.

[Mann]

I think that Spike should stay a Ghost. It would take away from angel being the crime fighting Vampire of the show.

However, I think Spike could have his own TV show.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Nov 11 2003, 10:48 AM
I think that Spike should stay a Ghost. It would take away from angel being the crime fighting Vampire of the show.
The point of having Spike on the show is because he and Angel are rivals, they both love Buffy, and they're both Vampires with a soul. What's great about having Spike on the show is that he's versatile, he can be one of the scoobies, he can be annoying, he can be a rogue.

He's not actually a ghost, the whole thing with him is tied in with the medalion and it made him the property of Wolfram and Hart. Besides, he's not going to stay that way forever, it's already been explained that either they fix him or he's pretty much going to hell.

I wouldn't want Spike to have his own show, he doesn't really make a good leader, but I wouldn't mind him bouncing around from Angel to some other spinoff.

[James T. Skywalker]

Well, I know for a fact he won't be a "ghost" much longer, but I don't wanna spoil it for y'all. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

~JTS

[goodwije]

hey James.. it says spoilers in the title, you can share. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[maddog62]

I don't know to much about Angel except My wife watches it and Carisma Carpenter is so hot.

[goodwije]

Originally posted by maddog62@Nov 12 2003, 02:32 PM
I don't know to much about Angel except My wife watches it and Carisma Carpenter is so hot.
She is no longer on the show. She had/has a new show, which was on ABC family or something it is like Sex and the City light.. but very funny. I only watched 1 episode but i really liked it.

[Darth Vegas]

That's not entirely accurate, she's not "not on the show any longer" as you say, she took a break for the season cause' she just had a baby.

[maddog62]

Originally posted by TK-007@Nov 12 2003, 08:18 PM
That's not entirely accurate, she's not "not on the show any longer" as you say, she took a break for the season cause' she just had a baby.
What a waste of a great body.

[Darth Vegas]

Well that was a good episode, maybe I was just tired but I didn't see that coming at all.

Looking forward to the next Episode, not really looking forward to more of Dru though, maybe they'll finally kill her?

[goodwije]

Drusilla? oh my.. i watched the episode.. and loved it, this is by far the best Angel season yet IMO.. but i missed the scenes for next week. I just read some spoilers yesterday and didn't hear about Dru.. hmmmm.

[goodwije]

Originally posted by TK-007@Nov 13 2003, 01:07 AM
Not really looking forward to more of Dru though, maybe they'll finally kill her?
SPOILERS...

She isnt going to get killed off. All of Dru's scenes appear to be flash backs. That show the contentious nature of Spike and Angel's relationship. Including a sex scene with Angel that Spike walks in on.

I rather like Dru.. she is like the Wicked Witch of the West on Acid.

[Darth Vegas]

Oh alright, well in that case maybe it won't be so bad, she was just a bit annoying alot of the time, I think they overdid that aspect of her character.

[goodwije]

Ya i agree. Remember though (at least this is what i have heard) Dru and Spike where just supposed to be short lived characters. Spikes popularity kept bringing him back, and Dru was pulled back because she was so much part of his story in the beginning.

[James T. Skywalker]

Her story is pretty interesting, in any case, especially after everything that she went through at Angel's hands before he sired her.

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

Here's some good news, Charisma Carpenter will be returning for at least one appearance this season on episode #12.

http://www.charisma-carpenter.com/forum/sh...sb=5&o=&fpart=1 (http://www.charisma-carpenter.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=angel&Number=20356&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1)

Also I'm hearing that we get some news about Buffy's whereabouts in Episode #11.

[Darth Vegas]

And here's some more interesting stuff...

http://spoilerslayer.com/angel5.php

[James T. Skywalker]

You found my favorite spoiler site, Bond. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

Thanks to AICN. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

buffy.nu is pretty good too, for the newsletter

[James T. Skywalker]

I have to say, the spoilers for the end of tomorrow's episode have led me to title this season "The Greatest Yet" thus far. Also, the upcoming guest appearances are looking fabulous! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

Well that was a good episode tonight (thankfully they didn't do overkill on the psycho side of Dur), and a nice ending, we know who's behind all this now I think.

[James T. Skywalker]

Oh yeah.

~JTS

[Darth Vegas]

Well that Episode was interesting, I likedsome parts (Harmony's style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif ) other parts I did not, but the promo before it was misleading, it led me to believe Cordy was returning in that episode.

No bother, next weeks eppie is looking to be very good. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[goodwije]

Cordy returns in episode 100, but i do not know when that is. Is she going to remember Conner? Hard to say. I wonder if his part of the story is done for good. I liked the episode on wednesday, although it certainly was not one of my favorites, and i thought an odd choice to return from winter break on.

[Darth Vegas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Cordy returns in episode 100, but i do not know when that is. Is she going to remember Conner? Hard to say. I wonder if his part of the story is done for good.[/b][/quote]

Right I know what episode she returns in, but the promo was misleading.

And Conner may very well be returning, Joss Whedon has kinda hinted at it.

[goodwije]

I do not think it would surprise me. It is an intersting concept, although a lot of fans didn't like him. Never thought i would miss Cordy as much as I do, i am really glad she is coming back.

[goodwije]

Cordy will return in episode 12th, Febuary 4th, she will only be in that one episode and then gone again, according to rumors. She will remember Conner, and she is there to set Angel back on the right path.

[James T. Skywalker]

I'm still thoroughly enjoying this season. It's not only been fun to watch, and the interaction between the characters has been great, but the storylines have been engaging as well.

Looking forward to the upcoming episodes involving flashbacks... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

~JTS

[Streen]

And Josh in his infantile thinking has killed off Cordy....... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

That dumba__ Xander is still alive, and so is that little b____ Andrew, but not Cordy.

I think Josh has lost it. You had fans waitng 6 months to see Cordy again, and she comes back for one ep. that doesn't do her character justice?

What the f___?

Angel and Cordy didn't even get a chance to hook up. What a style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif ing joke ! Cordy is what made Angel supercool, even cooler than Buffy when they both were on the air.

I'll still watch the show, but I think Josh has ruined Angel (and the last 2 years of Buffy).

Just a damn shame........... :mad:

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Streen@Feb 4 2004, 08:32 PM
And Josh in his infantile thinking has killed off Cordy....... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif
Uh no he hasn't. Cordy is in a coma, and she is returning in tonight's episode as a matter of fact.

[Streen]

Sorry.....but I've already seen it. It's what happens.

Pure bull____ :mad:

[Darth Vegas]

Oh, I misread your post...I'll have to see it to believe it. That's straight out of left field. Ain't heard nothing about that in any spoiler reports...

His name is Joss by the way, not Josh.

[Darth Vegas]

Well that was a good episode. Can't say I'm glad to see Cordelia go, but then again she was gone for a long time already and I wasn't completely ecstatic about what they did with her last season.

She's gone. This sorta thing happens in your favorite shows all the time, just gotta live with it. She would've just got in the way this season anyway.

And there's always the resurrection option...

[Streen]

It's still bull___ style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif !

[goodwije]

From my understanding Charisma wanted to leave the show. I am not sure why Joss and company decided to kill her off, but it doesnt matter. In a show like Angel people come back from the dead all the time. Maybe it was to kill rumors that any possible new spin-off would center around Cordy. Anywho, i am still enjoying he Angel story line, i am very sorry to see Cordy go, she was a big part of the show, and one Fred does not come close to replacing, but i have faith.

And really dude, if it upsets you that much just dont watch it.

[Darth Vegas]

I fell asleep during the last eppie, I like most of what I saw though, can anybody fill in the blanks? I fell asleep right after the dude showed Angel how he hanged Fred and the gang up.

[Mann]

Press release says Angel will be cancelled after this season.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah right.

[Mann]

Read it and weep Bond

http://thewb.com/PressRelease/Index/0,8341...,156980,00.html (http://thewb.com/PressRelease/Index/0,8341,156980,00.html)

And I liked this show too, btw. Not as much as buffy, But I was tempted to watch since Spike came back.

[Darth Vegas]

I bet it'll just get moved to UPN, cause it doesn't sound like Joss Whedon has anything to do with this decision, sounds like the WB has just decided to pull the plug.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Feb 14 2004, 04:57 AM
I bet it'll just get moved to UPN.
I bet it doesn't. They would have mentione dit like they did with Buffy, Cancelled means down, finished, caput!

BTW

<span style="font-family:Optima"><span style="color:red"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">Post # 9000!</span></span></span>

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann+Feb 13 2004, 08:59 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Feb 13 2004, 08:59 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Feb 14 2004, 04:57 AM
I bet it'll just get moved to UPN.
I bet it doesn't. They would have mentione dit like they did with Buffy, Cancelled means down, finished, caput! [/b][/quote]
Mann, get your facts straight, when WB pulled the plug on Buffy it was just that - there was no announcement of it moving to UPN right away.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Feb 14 2004, 05:02 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Feb 14 2004, 05:02 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Mann@Feb 13 2004, 08:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-TK-007@Feb 14 2004, 04:57 AM
I bet it'll just get moved to UPN.
I bet it doesn't. They would have mentione dit like they did with Buffy, Cancelled means down, finished, caput!
Mann, get your facts straight, when WB pulled the plug on Buffy it was just that - there was no announcement of it moving to UPN right away. [/b][/quote]
actually there was. I remember it clearly. They said that Buffy would end its run at the WB and they would move to the UPN. There was a huge article on it in Entertainment Weekly.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah that might be true that Entertainment Weekly printed that story shortly after WB announced it was going to be cancelled, but it wasn't announced within the same day, I don't believe.

But I'm not going to argue this with you any further, there's no point. We'll see what happens.

Let me just say this: whoever's running the WB is an f'n retard.

And I say that not just because of this, but look at the number of shows within the last few years that have been cancelled because they plain sucked, now they decide to cancel one of their most popular shows? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[Mann]

Actally Angle has suffered in ratings. The most popular shows on the WB are Charmed, Everwood, Smallville and One Tree Hill\.

[Darth Vegas]

Mann I don't know where you're getting your info, but I don't think you got your facts straight on that one.

Last time I check Angel's ratings had gone up over 30% since last seasons and the combined duo of it and Smallville gave the network it's highest ratings of this season.

Bottom line is this announcement is very unexpected, the show has been performing well both in terms of ratings and critical acclaim.

Also Mann, you may have noticed the part where they said they're considering tv movies for next season, so Angel obviously isn't over for good.

I bet UPN replaces Enterprise for it. I hope...

[Mann]

Where were you getting your information? I was updated on a weekly basis from Goldderby and they report that Angle was waaaay down this season. That is one of the reasons it was cancelled Bond, they don't cancel a show that is up 30%, especially the WB.

I did notice that they might want to make TV movies, but that the WB has ended the shows run, no mention of whether they were offereing it to the studio, which if they were considering they would have mentioned.

The bottom Line Bond, they cancelled it for a reason: It was doing worse than expected. With Spike on the show, a sweeps run including Cordellia coming back and everything happening from Last season, they still couldn't get people to watch it so it would live. Yesterday Charmed was renewed for a seventh season, so this was the time of th eyear. if Angel really was up in ratings, they would have said so in the article.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Feb 13 2004, 10:59 PM
Where were you getting your information? I was updated on a weekly basis from Goldderby and they report that Angle was waaaay down this season.
No that's not exactly true, they went up over 30% this season since last.

The show was doing pretty good (apparantly not as good as the WB wanted though) and it was getting plenty of love from critics.

The WB sucks. They probably going to replace it with some garbage that gets cancelled after a few episodes.

Mann I know you like this show, so you can't honestly tell me you aren't ticked about it getting cancelled.

Do you honestly think it was completely fair?

[Mann]

Bond,

The numbers were up until January. After the January episodes the numbers nosedived. That is why they cancelled it. I am ticked, but it will be on syndication, so that's good.

The WB actually had a banner year last year, the same time Angel was getting hit by the ratings. I think they believe they can do well. But they've already failed big time with Tarzan, so we'll see.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Feb 13 2004, 11:18 PM
The numbers were up until January. After the January episodes the numbers nosedived.
Yes I am aware of that, but they were still having a pretty good season, and there's more to come.

The WB is run by a bunch of wusses, too afraid to take a chance (kind of ironic with all those crappy shows they took a chance on), oh well, it's shame that crap like Charmed is getting renewed while this is getting canned.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Smeghead]

<span style="color:green">Boys, calm down...</span>

[Mann]

I think that critics are around to try and get people to view the show. If Angel is under performing for a number of weeks, they go back to talks of cancellation. and they did, so its going to go away.

WB stil has Everwood and Smallville, critically acclaimed shows with good ratings. They aren't as bad as some networks.

[goodwije]

well that sucks.. but is not entirly a surprise. To be honest the show is dieing down, i like what has been happening, but it feels like it is coing to an end. It is very cool of The WB to give Whedon time to end the series how he chooses to.

[Darth Vegas]

Joss's reaction to Angel's cancellation:

http://www.buffy.nu/article.php3?id_article=3254

[Mann]

Bond,

see the last episode? Funny as hell! this is why the show should stay on TV!

[goodwije]

Yes it was a great show, and i am still pretending it will not end.. allow me my fantasies please style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[James T. Skywalker]

There have been rumors that Whedon is trying to get a deal done to bring ATS to UPN next season. Nothing definitive, but if that's the way to keep the show on the air, I'm all for it.

Also, it'd be utterly appropriate, considering that BTVS also switched over to UPN after WB planned to cancel the show. WB's president and Whedon have never gotten along, and I think Whedon's going to win out in the long run.

~JTS

[Brian]

Originally posted by JamesTSkywalker@Oct 18 2003, 02:51 AM
I've been reading spoilers (up to episode 9) and I feel this season is going in the right direction. The upcoming 4th episode looks to be very intense, which is a nice change of pace for the series, especially this early in the season. Usually they wait to shock you during sweeps... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

~JTS
I know this is OLD news, but what the heck is SWEEPS?

[Brian]

Originally posted by TK-007@Feb 14 2004, 02:21 AM
The WB is run by a bunch of wusses, too afraid to take a chance (kind of ironic with all those crappy shows they took a chance on), oh well, it's shame that crap like Charmed is getting renewed while this is getting canned.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif
Actually, I've watched a few reruns of Charmed and it's pretty good. It doesn't hurt that ALL of the chicks on the show are HOT! Alyssa Milano... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/alien.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Feb 19 2004, 10:26 PM
Bond,

see the last episode? Funny as hell! this is why the show should stay on TV!
I missed it, but I'll look for it on Kazza, I was out celebrating.

Heard nothing but good things about it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[goodwije]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I know this is OLD news, but what the heck is SWEEPS?[/b][/quote]

Sweeps is a time when they measure audience viewership and appreciation. They usually have a couple of weeks, while shows are preparing to go on hiatus where they show their best stuff in hopes of getting the best numbers. They are pretty important numbers when it comes to seeling advertising etc. It maybe a US thing i have no idea. Anyways nationaly sweeps is in November before winter hiatus, February for winter replacment and returning shows, May before summer break and July.

[Brian]

Thanks!

[Darth Vegas]

James Marsters tells you how to keep Angel on the air. (http://www.chud.com/news/feb04/feb23guardianangels.php3)

[Keymaster]

Kinda glad this show is going off the air. Theres a reason its on the WB. But for everyone that enjoys it, may you love the DVDs. my friends do

[goodwije]

If you do not watch it, or from your post, have much repsect for the WB what do you care if it stays or goes?

[Smeghead]

<span style="color:green">Well, that was depressing.</span>

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by Smeghead@Feb 25 2004, 11:49 PM
<span style="color:green">Well, that was depressing.</span>
I thought it was a very interesting episode, and the rest of the season (and at this point, series) should be interesting.

Illyria is going to be an interesting character, or so it seems. And even though I already know what happens in the next episode ("Shells"), it's going to be fun to see what Wes decides to do to Gunn and Knox.

~JTS

[goodwije]

I was shocked by Knox at first, and then i started thinking.. well we all should have known. I loved it and i love the purple-y look of the new big bad. I so hope that saving Fred involves destroying W&H.

[Darth Vegas]

http://www.chud.com/news/mar04/mar02saveangel.php3

[Brian]

That's what folks should do to get the ORIGINAL version DVDs.

[Brian]

Great episode tonight. The best one I've seen yet. Who thinks Buffy or Willow or any of the other BTVS characters will make cameos soon?

[goodwije]

Yes i agree that was one of the best Angel episodes ever. It is pretty likely that someone else from Buffy will make an apperance on Angel, but i doubt it will be Buffy herself.

[Brian]

Didn't Angel call Giles to get Buffy to come or were my ears deceiving me? She's in some "astral plane"? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

[goodwije]

Actually Angel called Giles looking for Willow, and she was on an astral plane. Buffy is in Europe last we heard enjoying not being the only slayer. See the Scooby Gang does not like the Angel gang right now, they feel like they sold out by taking over W&H and are not too keen on helping them.

[Brian]

When did that happen--Buffy and co. not liking Angel and co.? During an episode if Angel or Buffy?

I really wish I wasn't so late getting into these shows...

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Brian@Mar 4 2004, 12:32 PM
When did that happen--Buffy and co. not liking Angel and co.? During an episode if Angel or Buffy?
In a recent Episode of Angel, has to do with Angel and co. working for Wolfram and Hart, who really are the bad guys.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by goodwije@Mar 4 2004, 12:23 PM
Yes i agree that was one of the best Angel episodes ever. It is pretty likely that someone else from Buffy will make an apperance on Angel, but i doubt it will be Buffy herself.
The back of Buffy's head is supposed to be shown in an upcoming episode.....

[goodwije]

And of course there was a fake Buffy having sex with Spike in a recent episode. But that doesnt really count.

[Darth Vegas]

http://www.buffy.nu/article.php3?id_article=3481

Looks like season 6 is happenin'!

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Mar 8 2004, 11:53 AM
http://www.buffy.nu/article.php3?id_article=3481

Looks like season 6 is happenin'!
don't hold your breath

[goodwije]

IGN Filmforce is reporting that they are "talking" as well.

[James T. Skywalker]

How about all the recent Angel news, folks? The Save Angel campaigns buying full page ads in national newspapers, hiring a billboard truck to drive past the WB, Paramount, and HBO offices, holding blood drives and rallys... quite an impressive showing.

Oh yeah, and Charisma Carpenter posing in the June issue of Playboy... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wub.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

~JTS

[goodwije]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Our Accomplishments So Far
The initial $17,530.65 raised through the generosity and support of ANGEL fans worldwide, paid for the following

Ad placed in the March 9th issue of The Hollywood Reporter, International Edition. Click here to see an image of the ad.

Ad placed in the March 15th Internationl issue of Variety. Click here to see an image of the ad.

2 week Guerrilla Billboards campaign to run
Monday, March 15 - Friday, March 26 in Los Angeles.
To catch a glimpse of our AngelMobile billboard, check out the truck route. For the next best thing - pictures of the AngelMobile in action!

Donated $276.75 to the IRC.

With our next round of campaigns, so far we have:



Raised the $3,000 necessary to purchase 2,000 chocolate bars with our campaign logo and slogan on the wrapper, which will be shipped to various executives at Warner Brothers, FOX, TNT and other media targets in addition to the cast and crew of ANGEL.

Raised $3,500 to pay for third week of mobile billboard campaign.

Raised $1,000 to pay for Rally expenses.

In addition, the Saving Angel Team Players have contributed their own funds to:


Send flowers to the cast and crew each Wednesday

Send flowers to Jordan Levin for the March 10th flower campaign. [/b][/quote]

That is really cool, and they have some good idea for free (or cheap) check out savingangel.org (http://www.savingangel.org/)

[goodwije]

also from savingangel.org

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Help the Helpless! A couple of fan groups have taken that central message of ANGEL to heart, and are working to bring attention to the show and the efforts to save it by launching Food Bank Donation Drives and Blood Bank Drives to kick off on March 17. These campaigns will have a positive impact on local communities, whatever happens to the show. We encourage you to support them. For details, go here (http://www.savingangel.org/helping.html). [/b][/quote]

PS I fixed it so the link works.

[Darth Vegas]

Well that last episode was good, I like where they're going with these last 5 eppies but I'm thankful that it's not really the end...

Scroll down a bit for some somewhat good news:

http://chud.com/news/april04/apr16thud.php3

[goodwije]

That would be cool i guess if Sarah will do it that is.

[DarthAnakin]

I can't believe there's an Angel thread!!!! I LOVE ANGEL, i've watched that show for so long and it rocks, it's good to finally find other people who loke it. Out of all my friends there's just two of us who like Angel everyone makes fun of us. LOL style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Mann]

Alright, place your bets, whose gonna be in the season finale from the Buffy cast? Is Sarah gonna pop up? Allison? Seth?

[DarthAnakin]

It's already official that Sarah will not be on the season finale of Angel.

[Mann]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@Apr 17 2004, 06:58 PM
It's already official that Sarah will not be on the season finale of Angel.
they could suprise. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Apr 17 2004, 09:46 AM
Alright, place your bets, whose gonna be in the season finale from the Buffy cast? Is Sarah gonna pop up? Allison? Seth?
If anyone it'll probably be Andrew again. And maybe some of the Slayers. Sarah wasn't available, but maybe Anthony Stewart Head or Allison Hannigan, one of them might have been available, ya' never know.

SPOILER ALERT: Buffy is supposed to be in one of the upcoming episodes where Spike and Angel go to Rome looking for her and her new boyfriend 'the immortal', but Sarah isn't in the episode, they managed to pull it off by only showing the back of Buffy's head I think.

I'd like to see Seth back though, that'd be great, I think it's been long enough, and if everything works out, good script and all then it could be really cool.

Somehow I imagine the gang running into him on the streets somewhere and he's homeless now, playing his guitar in a subway terminal or something.

[DarthAnakin]

I wouldn't mind seeing one-eyed Xander again and of course Andrew, he's hilarious. If only one Buffy character shows up, it'll probably be Giles.

[Mann]

will Cordelia show up? I hope so, she's a fox! She's so much hotter than Faith or Buffy! well Fred it pretty hot too, but Cordy is just like uber sexy.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Apr 17 2004, 08:05 PM
will Cordelia show up?
Other than in dream sequences or something, not a chance. They killed her off, remember?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>She's so much hotter than Faith or Buffy![/b][/quote]
Gotta disagree with that. Buffy isn't as hot as she used to be, but when she was in the first 3 seasons, she was damn hot, much hotter than Cordy IMO (see the episode where Xander does the spell to get Cordy to love him again and you'll see what I mean).

I think Buffy gains a few points because she had a much better personality than Cordy, but Faith loses points because of her personality even though she's hotter than Cordy, at least that's my opinion.

Willow is hotter then all of them though IMO, especially in the last Episode of season 4, even though it was a dream sequence, there was a few scenes with her and Tara that were just HOT.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Apr 18 2004, 04:08 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Apr 18 2004, 04:08 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Apr 17 2004, 08:05 PM
will Cordelia show up?
Other than in dream sequences or something, not a chance. They killed her off, remember? [/b][/quote]
how many times did Buffy die on her show?

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann+Apr 17 2004, 08:11 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mann @ Apr 17 2004, 08:11 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by TK-007@Apr 18 2004, 04:08 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Apr 17 2004, 08:05 PM
will Cordelia show up?
Other than in dream sequences or something, not a chance. They killed her off, remember?
how many times did Buffy die on her show? [/b][/quote]
Twice.

If you're suggesting they'll bring Cordy back all I can say is that it's not going to happen. I'd say there's 0 chance of it. And it'd ultimately be pointless, she has no special skills or anything that makes her a valuable part of the team, and they made it clear that there really isn't any room for her.

Maybe it could happen, but I really really doubt it, and personnally I wouldn't want it to happen.

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007+Apr 18 2004, 04:15 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Apr 18 2004, 04:15 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Originally posted by Mann@Apr 17 2004, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by TK-007@Apr 18 2004, 04:08 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Apr 17 2004, 08:05 PM
will Cordelia show up?
Other than in dream sequences or something, not a chance. They killed her off, remember?
how many times did Buffy die on her show?
Twice.

If you're suggesting they'll bring Cordy back all I can say is that it's not going to happen. There's 0 chance of it.And it'd ultimately be pointless, she has no special skills or anything that makes her a valuable part of the team, and they made it clear that there really isn't any room for her.

Maybe it could happen, but I really really doubt it, and personnally I wouldn't want it to happen. [/b][/quote]
how do you know? This is the same guy who killed Angel off in a seaqson finale of Buffy only to bring him back again three episodes into the next season. Anything is possible.

There you go editing your post style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif now its possible, lol

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Apr 17 2004, 08:18 PM
how do you know? This is the same guy who killed Angel off in a seaqson finale of Buffy only to bring him back again three episodes into the next season. Anything is possible.
It's not the possibility that they have the skill and what-not to bring her back that keeps it from happening, it's the fact that they've done that way TOO much already, and that when they did it before there was a point to it, since Angel is ending, there's really no point in bring Cordy back, especially not this late in the season.

If they were going to bring her back they would've just had her awake from the coma and that'd be it. There's no logic in resurrecting her.

[Mann]

except that right now at the end of the show last wed. they did mention that Angel needed soldiers to fight, and that could definately be a reason to resurrect her.

[Darth Vegas]

Since when is Cordy a soldier?

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Apr 18 2004, 04:31 AM
Since when is Cordy a soldier?
since when are any of them real soldiers? well actually she was very helpful to Angel when she was all part-demon and stuff.

[Darth Vegas]

Come on Mann just give it up, the chance of them resurrecting Cordy is as remote as them resurrecting Tara.

If you really think this is gonna happen, then you're only setting yourself up to be dissapointed.

Oh yeah, I've just recalled something. Anyone remember the chick from BTVS season two that was in that wannabe Vampire cult? After that she showed up in the first episode of BTVS season 3 with her boyfriend stopping to get a piece of pie at the restaurant Buffy was working at. Goes by the name of Anne. Anyway, she's going to be in a few of these 5 episodes of Angel.

Talk about out of nowhere. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/giveup.gif

[Mann]

wouldn't you say that we are already disappointed by the fact that the show is ending?! I mean Angel returned for the Season finale of Buffy.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Apr 17 2004, 08:44 PM
wouldn't you say that we are already disappointed by the fact that the show is ending?!
Kind of, but the Whedonverse isn't ending, they still got plans to continue the series somehow.

I think another spinoff could still happen. There could be movies, ya' never know. There will be something though, so this isn't really the end.

[Mann]

Spike needs to be involved in some way. He's like The Jesus of the Whedonverse.

[Streen]

I think it's a shame Whedon ruined both of his series...... first Buffy, now Angel.

No Cordy, no Bai Ling's character, no reunion or closure with Buffy, or Faith. Pretty pitful.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Streen@Apr 17 2004, 10:04 PM
I think it's a shame Whedon ruined both of his series...... first Buffy, now Angel.
Oh boy...I know I've heard this kinda talk before, think it was in that ATTACK OF THE CLOWNS thread.

*sigh*

[Streen]

^ Sigh all you want, it's the god honest truth......

Having Cordy (one of the most alluring and interesting character's in the whole Buffyverse) being "evil" for most of a season, then having her come back only to die in the same ep. is totally asinine..... Total waste of talent, long adorement of fans.......and many other things. Totally asinine!

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Streen@Apr 17 2004, 10:49 PM
it's the god honest truth
It's your opinion. And you're entirely welcome to that, and no offense intended but with those sorta comments you sound alot like those Prequel/GL bashers out there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Having Cordy (one of the most alluring and interesting character's in the whole Buffyverse) being "evil" for most of a season, then having her come back only to die in the same ep. is totally asinine..... Total waste of talent, long adorement of fans.......and many other things. Totally asinine![/b][/quote]
I didn't watch much of season 4 at all so I can't comment on what happened there. But I don't think killing her off after doing the whole evil thing was a really bad move, and it certainly didn't completely ruin the show, Cordy was hot but out of all the characters in the Whedonverse I think she was one of the least interesting characters, I didn't mind seeing her leave the show at all.

And since Joss doesn't have complete ownership of the show, and isn't the final word on all things that happen in it, you really can't put all the blame on him.

Also, just out of curiosity, how exactly in your opinion was Buffy ruined?

[goodwije]

Please Bond and Mann do not turn this thread into pointless arguments Please style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Anyways as for cameos, Alyson is married to Alexis Denisof plays Wesley so there is always a good chance she would show up. I personally think it would be cool if any future spin-off would include the two of them, although i really like Michelle Trachtenberg as well.

[Streen]

^^ I sound like some one who knows what he's talking about. You on the other hand, obivously don't.

Buffy was ruined in it's last 2 seasons (one, the lame ending with little b___ Xander ending Willow's carnage, two, the utterly amorphous ending of Buffy, save Sunnydale getting buried, and Spike moving to LA).

I could point out numerous things, but it would take months to post them all.
Those who've watched both shows from the start understand.

In someways I think Buffy should have ended in season 5. That way this perversion would have never taken place. Joss should be banished from the industry. ASAP!

[Mann]

Streen,

Joss Whedon is a F***ING GENIUS! He shouldn't be banished!?! He was able to keep Buffy alive for two more seasons. did you remember that little Musical episode? ABSOLUTELY THE MOST BRILLIANT THING THAT SHOW HAS EVER DONE! Who in god's name would think that up? Also, he made Enya and Andrew two of the funniest character in history. Spike was already kick ass, but he became even more kick ass.

The ending for Buffy was great, and the ending of Sunnydale (a real place I do believe, though there is no UC Sunnydale). I think making Spike go to Angel helped the show.

[Streen]

^ Bah!

[goodwije]

<sigh>

can we please have an ignore option?

[Smeghead]

<span style="color:green">AHEM

Please try and keep it civil boys...</span>

[Streen]

Well..... just wished it would have ended better.

[DarthAnakin]

I agree with Mann, although we all loved Buffy and didn't wan't it to end, it had to end eventually and I believe it was a perfect ending. I just wish Angel had atleast 1 more season!!!

[pudooku]

Has anyone seen the Angel finale spoilers on AICN and spoilerslayer.com...

Oh boy, as Sam Beckett would say.

We're way behind in the UK, so I'll point you in that direction and leave...

Ta

Pudooku

[Darth Vegas]

Yup, I've been spoiled.

If you havn't been spoiled, but want to be, click here (http://www.spoilerslayer.com/archives/003013.php).

Also according to Fox News as many as 6 full-length Angel(Buffy?) TV movies are in the works.

[DarthAnakin]

6 Whoa!!!!!

[goodwije]

all i have to say is... wow

[DarthAnakin]

Can't wait to see 'em. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Mann]

6 movies in the works, means that they have like maybe 6 different ways to go with the movie. No way is it 6 different movies...that would be a huge gamble.

[Darth Vegas]

No what they said was that as many as 6 Angel tv movies are in the works (IE: There's discussions happening, plans being layed out), not that they had 6 different ideas for one movie.

Note also that in the original press release of Angel's cancellation from the WB they said that they were exploring the option of making Angel tv movies.

[DarthAnakin]

Did anyone watch Angel last nite?

[Clara]

<span style="color:#7000CC">Grr. They didn't show it in Australia. They had Average Joe 2 run for two-and-a-half hours, so they took it off. You could say that I am not pleased.</span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hmmm.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

[DarthAnakin]

Originally posted by Clara@Apr 22 2004, 08:24 PM
<span style="color:#7000CC">Grr. They didn't show it in Australia. They had Average Joe 2 run for two-and-a-half hours, so they took it off. You could say that I am not pleased.</span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hmmm.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif
I would be sooooo pissed off. So when are the re-runs down there?

[Mann]

Originally posted by TK-007@Apr 22 2004, 09:30 AM
No what they said was that as many as 6 Angel tv movies are in the works (IE: There's discussions happening, plans being layed out), not that they had 6 different ideas for one movie.

Note also that in the original press release of Angel's cancellation from the WB they said that they were exploring the option of making Angel tv movies.
They wont make 6 movies on angle. like many have noted, David Boreanez is getting ridculously old, and is looking it. I mean he's had his run, but 6 movies will show that he isn't exactly as young as he used to be. James Marsters has the advantage for already being older than you think, and they make him look younger anyway with his hair dye, but I see the differences in age.

I saw Angel last night, does anyone know if that was the last of Connor?

[Streen]

Yes, I think that was the end of Connor......

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mann@Apr 22 2004, 08:16 PM
They wont make 6 movies on angle.
Well we'll see, I think they probably won't make that many, but the point is there are discussions happening about doing that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>like many have noted, David Boreanez is getting ridiculously old[/b][/quote]
34 is ridiculously old?

Sure the dude is noticably older then when he first played the part, but I don't think he's too old to play it anymore. I think he could use a nice long break from it though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I saw Angel last night, does anyone know if that was the last of Connor?[/b][/quote]
Nope it wasn't. He's involved in at least one more Episode.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Yea im pretty sure Connor has one more episode.

[DarthAnakin]

I just can't see them making 6 Angel movies, I would love to see them though!

[Mann]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>34 is ridiculously old?

Sure the dude is noticably older then when he first played the part, but I don't think he's too old to play it anymore. I think he could use a nice long break from it though.
[/b][/quote]

From 26 to 34 is pretty old in terms of a guy who has to remain the same age. He takes a long break, then he might get too old to play the part. Buffy has it easier, cause she is normal and ages anyway. I think one Angel movie is all they can afford to do, especially if Boreanex is taking time off now.

[DarthAnakin]

^ Actually it's Boreanaz.

[James T. Skywalker]

Haven't posted here in a while.

So... everyone dies this week! Heh heh heh...

For the unspoiled... you'll see! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

~JTS

[pudooku]

Originally posted by Mann@Apr 23 2004, 06:08 PM

From 26 to 34 is pretty old in terms of a guy who has to remain the same age. He takes a long break, then he might get too old to play the part.
There must be exposition that could explain it, this is the Buffyverse after all

"Oh, didn't you know, Vampires with souls age like the rest of us"

Something rubbish like that.

I'd like a scene with Spike goading Angel about his wrinkles, before realising that he'll have 'em to soon.

Or maybe not eh?

Pudooku

[DarthAnakin]

I don't want Angel to end, I'll be heartbroken!

[Mann]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@Apr 24 2004, 06:49 AM
^ Actually it's Boreanaz.
that was a typo.

And this isn't the "Say something aobut the person above you thread" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[DarthAnakin]

^ LOL style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Streen]

For all you Xander fans.......turns out he's having a little trouble with the bottle.

Nicholas Brendon, who played Xander for seven years on TV's Buffy the Vampire Slayer, announced that he has voluntarily entered an alcohol treatment center, his official Web site reported. "After realizing that I had a disease that was taking control of my life, I decided that the best way for me to regain my health was to enter a treatment facility," Brendon said in a statement. "I'm grateful for the love and support I've gotten from my wife, Tressa; my entire family; my business associates; and my friends."

Brendon added, "Over the past eight years I've discovered that Buffy fans are the most caring and supportive fans in the world. Knowing that they will be behind me, rooting for me as I go through this process, makes everything that much easier. I'm looking forward to leading a happy, sober life."

In addition to his seven seasons on Buffy, Brendon has appeared in the feature film Psycho Beach Party and most recently starred in the ABC Family Channel movie Celeste in the City.

[Mann]

I read somewhere that Brendan had to work over a stuttering problem he had to get jobs in acting. I;m sure he'll make it through.

Hey, after leaving one of the greatest shows of all time, I would start drinking too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif kidding

[goodwije]

yeah he has a stuttering problem, i think he will make it through as well. Ironic that in the show Xander came from an alcohol abusing family and feared the same for himself.

[DarthAnakin]

Lets just hope he can get past his drinking problem and move on with his life. He was one of the funniest characters on Buffy, he rules!!!

[pudooku]

Amen...

Pudooku

[Derek R.]

I saw the episode when the Mafia Wizard was going to sacrifice his daughter and Wesley pretended to be Angel. Whhhew, funny stuff.

Angel: "Hey wait, I'm not a Eunuch!"

[DarthAnakin]

^ Yeah I saw that episode like a month ago on fOX, Wesleys awesome in that one and I especially like Cordy's line near the end " He's Angel for one day and already hes gettin some. " style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Click on the following link for some kinda old but also kinda good and a bit spoilerish news about next week's episode:

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17158

Has any of this changed? I've looked around and can't find any reports that really contradict anything that was said there.

Oh also, more news here (http://www.creature-corner.com/news4/apr26angelmovies.php3).

[James T. Skywalker]

Nothing's really changed... except that SMG will definitely NOT be in the episode, and Tom Lenk is slated to appear again as Andrew, and Michelle Trachtenberg will not be in the episode either.

But Dru and Darla are (flash)back! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

~JTS

[DarthAnakin]

Did anyone watch On Air: With Ryan Seacrest lately. I usually don't but James Marsters was on and he shaved his head, he looks so old now! He actually looks like he's 42 for the first time ever.

[Clara]

<span style="color:#7000CC">Saw it this week. Is it just me, or are Angel and Spike starting to get chummy?</span>

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by JamesTSkywalker@Apr 30 2004, 10:07 PM
Nothing's really changed... except that SMG will definitely NOT be in the episode



But Dru and Darla are (flash)back! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

~JTS
Well yeah, but the article didn't really say she would be in it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Michelle Trachtenberg will not be in the episode either.[/b][/quote]
This is what I was mostly wondering about because I hadn't heard it confirmed anywhere whether she was or wasn't going to be in the episode.

[DarthAnakin]

^ How does Darla come back?

[James T. Skywalker]

Originally posted by DarthAnakin@May 2 2004, 09:07 AM
^ How does Darla come back?
Read my full quote on that... and take away the parenthesis.

~JTS

[DarthAnakin]

I just finidhed watching angel on FOX. It was the episode where Angel lets Darla and Drusilla kill all the lawyers and at the end fires Cordy, Gunn, and Wesley, damn I love this episode.

[JKRich]

Lastnights episode was alright.I just think that since they couldnt get SMG to portray Buffy they shouldnt have done the storyline.It made it weak and almost pointless.To wrap up her character and there be no dialogue between them whatsoever just seemed pointless(overusage of a word..hehe)I know Josh wanted to give the series closure but this episode ripped fans off of that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[DarthAnakin]

^ We can only pray that there will be Buffy and Angle movies.

[Streen]

Originally posted by JKRich@May 6 2004, 07:06 PM
Lastnights episode was alright.I just think that since they couldnt get SMG to portray Buffy they shouldnt have done the storyline.It made it weak and almost pointless.To wrap up her character and there be no dialogue between them whatsoever just seemed pointless(overusage of a word..hehe)I know Josh wanted to give the series closure but this episode ripped fans off of that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
Exactly. And Joss has been doing it with other storylines/characters for a while now. It's a damn shame.......

[Mann]

Originally posted by JKRich@May 6 2004, 07:06 PM
Lastnights episode was alright.I just think that since they couldnt get SMG to portray Buffy they shouldnt have done the storyline.It made it weak and almost pointless.To wrap up her character and there be no dialogue between them whatsoever just seemed pointless(overusage of a word..hehe)I know Josh wanted to give the series closure but this episode ripped fans off of that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
Buffy was wrapped in her show, this is Angel's show, let Joss wrap him first.

personally, I think Joss likes Angel more than Buffy.

ANDREW!!!! Oh you wonderful, wonderful character!

[Darth Vegas]

The Episode wasn't about giving Buffy closure at all, it was about Angel and Spike dealing with their feelings for her and moving on.

The rivalry between Angel and Spike has been a big theme of this season, so it was kind of important for them to wrap that all up since the show is ending, now they have one less thing to fight over.

Oh and here's some good news:
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/...7777|1|,00.html (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|87777|1|,00.html)

[goodwije]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Oh and here's some good news:
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/...7777|1|,00.html [/b][/quote]

That is good news Bond, but hardly surprising. Many of the writers had hinted that there probably will be another series at one time or the other. Although i dont think they expected ANgel to be gone so quickly.

I liked this episode it kinda ticks me that SMG has continually refuses or managed to get out of any guest shots. I mean come on, 1 day on the set would not have hurt her but would have us fans realyl excited. I dont like the way she seems to be turning her back on what really made her. There is kind of that "I am not Spock" mentallity.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>ANDREW!!!! Oh you wonderful, wonderful character[/b][/quote]

I love the Andrew character too, Tom Lenk is amazing. I personally think they are giving time for Trachtenburg and Lenk to grow a little (in age not acting skills) for the new series. If Andrew and Dawn are going to be watchers they need a few more years for it to be believable.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by goodwije@May 7 2004, 05:10 AM
I liked this episode it kinda ticks me that SMG has continually refuses or managed to get out of any guest shots.
That's not what really happened. That's mostly just a really gross exaggeration (very commonly found on internet message boards that discuss certain genre tv shows and movies and the people that make them), and they were debunked by Gellar herself. She was busy making movies and there was a loss in her family, and by the time she was free they had already filmed the Episode that they wanted her to be in (The Girl in Question) and didn't think it'd be appropriate for her to appear in last two Episodes.