How Many TIE Ships Are There?

[Darth Bigalow]

How many TIE ships are there, I know of the TIE fighter,interceptor,and bomber.

[bodhisattva yoda]

then there's vader's custom tie. that's about it. though darth maul's ship looks an awful lot like a tie.

[Rogue_0009]

The full list is
TIE Bomber
TIE Crawler(its a tank with a TIE cockpit)
TIE Defender(has 3 wings like the interceptors but canted outward)
TIE/D(a droid controled fighter with rectangular wings)
TIE Fighter
TIE Interceptor
TIE Advanced x1 prototype "Avenger"(vader's TIE)

also there is a Tri-wing TIe in Rebel Assault 2 that I don't recognize and 2 models of the Scimitar asssault bomber based on the TIE bomber

[bodhisattva yoda]

no there isn't. no there isn't. just the four and the maul prototype. eu is all lies.

[QuigonWindu]

EU is not all lies. So GL said it's a parallel universe that doesn't mean it's not true.

[bodhisattva yoda]

eu is a parallel universe to star wars? well aren't we talking about THE star wars universe? eu is another discussion entirely. if the universes are parellel, they cannot be mingled.

[SonGokou]

Darth Bigalo: I have just watched all of the movies, played all of the games and can reliably inform you that there are aproximately 10036785 TIE fightes in the Star Wars universe. Give or take 2. Maybe 3.

[SonGokou]

Damn, I'm so funny I even amaze myself. Occasionally.

[Obidobi]

WHAAAAAAA HA HA Ha hark hark splutt pukeaaaaaa :p

[SonGokou]

You should see my live act... I shove my hand up my sleave with a rump steak at the end, and yell "NOOOOOOOO! Your not my father!!!!" :D

[Queen 'Onna]

you have to much time on your hends

[Polunis]

Maybe that's why he ought to lose one of them. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif :lol:

[Rogue_0009]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@July 17 2002 - 14:22
no there isn't. no there isn't. just the four and the maul prototype. eu is all lies.
Eu is not a lie I bet if you took the time to read any SW novel you would enjoy it greatly. One should not shun such great stories because The Great fannled One does not write it. In the Intro to Splinter of the Minds Eye GL wrote
"After SW was released, it became apparent that my story-however many films it took to tell-was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhait its galaxy.But these were not stories I was destined to tell. Instead it sprang from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse that Sw provided." Further evidence is that EPs 7-9 were cancelled cuz of EU

[catwmnjedi]

If EU is a "lie", does that make OT the "truth"? I don't get it... It's all FICTION, right? Well, maybe not for some people... :sly:

The term "lie" is used incorrectly, IMO.

I agree with Rogue 9. GL created a realm and allowed other authors to create works within it. For the most part, those authors have tried to follow his vision accurately... at least given the information available at the time the pieces were written. Yes, they've taken creative license with things GL didn't fully explain in the past, such as Jedi relationships, powers, political events, etc. But if he doesn't wish to disrupt the SW universe by intentionally contradicting the EU, then he at least acknowleges EU stories as valid works of art.

[bodhisattva yoda]

i used to read star wars fiction all the time. then it occured to me one day... if these people are such great story-tellers, why don't they come up with something original rather than leach off of the legacy of another? the answer was clear. lack of originality. lack of vision. why waste my time on star wars bi-products when i've got the real thing? there's also a great deal of fiction with original ideas and creative integrity that surpases star wars fiction. additionally, eu has already been contradicted by the star wars prequels. they've lost any validity they may have had.

[Keiran_Halcyon]

bod

If you want to blame anyone for that blame GL. He could have given the writers of the books a little more background information so that they could have avoided these pitfalls to begin with. Another thing if the EU is so fake then how come GL himself has taken things from the EU and incorporated them into the movies. i.e. Coruscant was the name Zahn gave Imperial Center not GL.

[QuigonWindu]

Yoda just because these stories are taken from GL's vision doesn't make them lies or bad stories. Why don't you tell us some books that you like and we'll tell you if they're completely original.
rogue 6 out

[James T. Skywalker]

i used to read star wars fiction all the time.

And there's Star Wars nonfiction? Heh, boy I'd like to see that. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

then it occured to me one day... if these people are such great story-tellers, why don't they come up with something original rather than leach off of the legacy of another?

Easy: because there was more of a story to tell. The story wasn't over. People needed to know what happened to Han and Leia. Did they get married, did they have children, did they really live happily ever after? And what about Luke: he's a Jedi, but will he ever find out about his mother? Will he become a Jedi Master, will he get married like his father? And Lando, and Chewie, and Threepio and Artoo? They've got stories to tell, so that's why they're told.

the answer was clear. lack of originality. lack of vision.

Many of the stories were quite original: the X-Wing series, the New Jedi Order, they're very original. And, if you've ever read anything by these authors, you'll realize the vision they really have, and how original they are. Don't knock the authors, they've done a whole lot better than most people. And you don't have a right to judge their work.

why waste my time on star wars bi-products when i've got the real thing?

Because they're not "by-products," they're the continuation of something. If GL says they're an alternate universe to his story, then that's fine. But, to those who look close enough, there's one pretty coherent story running, if you only take the time to look.

there's also a great deal of fiction with original ideas and creative integrity that surpases star wars fiction.

But if you really, really, truly love Star Wars, you'd want to know what happens, and you'd read the continuations. Simple as that. Sure, there's better fiction out there, but it's not Star Wars. Simple as that.

additionally, eu has already been contradicted by the star wars prequels. they've lost any validity they may have had.

Actually, they haven't. They've just been reworked. You just have to look, it all fits, you just have to know how to make them fit. Take one look at timelines like the Star Wars Timeline Gold (http://www.starwarz.com/timeline) or TimeTales (http://www.theforce.net/timetales) and you'll see how it fits. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

~James T. Skywalker

[Mookel1138]

My friend, I ask you, please, let us be on our EU world to ourselves. If you don't like it, that's fine, I'm a firm believer in the opinion of the individual. However, if you don't, please don't bash it and say "it's all lies". I believe that JTS touched on the fact that EU is fiction-just that. If you think about it, the only "truth" is nonfiction (things that happen in the real world). Fiction is a product of the imagination. You can't really call it a lie of it is of the imagination and simply a story to be told. Also, referring to your comment that it lacks originality-of course EU authors had to take the idea from somewhere. The EU was made to expand upon the wonderful saga that George Lucas created for us. EU authors and other creators have given us fans the things that GL doesn't have time to do because he's busy with the films that give us the very stuff to enjoy. Without the films, the EU wouldn't be here, and without the EU, Star Wars would have a lot less fans.

With that said, I ask that you please don't criticize our hobby in a negative way. The EU is a way for us to escape from the rigors of everyday life and the problems of the world at hand. With the EU, we can read about someone's problems, and see what the solution is, without being in danger. We can read of situations similar to things on Earth without being in the middle of all the trouble. A bird's eye view over things, if you will. Basically, it's a hobby (and for some authors, a way of life). Therefore, please let the EU be. We're not criticizing what you like to read, so please be kind to us in turn.

[RollaFett]

This thread has veered a bit off topic, huh? Well I'll continue that trend instead of correcting it! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

bodhisattva yoda Posted on July 18 2002 - 16:29
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i used to read star wars fiction all the time. then it occured to me one day... if these people are such great story-tellers, why don't they come up with something original rather than leach off of the legacy of another? the answer was clear. lack of originality. lack of vision. why waste my time on star wars bi-products when i've got the real thing? there's also a great deal of fiction with original ideas and creative integrity that surpases star wars fiction. additionally, eu has already been contradicted by the star wars prequels. they've lost any validity they may have had.

bodhistvva yoda- I started reading the EU with Timothy Zahn's trilogy in the early 90's and I quite enjoyed it. I later tried some other novels and was not quite as impressed, so I gave up EU tales. That said, what you say about the authors pretty much riding the coattails of GL's creation is very inaccurate. Just about all of these EU authors have successfully had original stories published previously, some are very successful writers. I don't think you can become a good writer without original ideas. Expanding on already exsisting characters and storylines is not as easy as you may believe, and it's not as if its the only thing these authors write about.
Like I said earlier, I'm not an EU reader anymore because I don't enjoy the work, but I don't knock the effort these writers make to expand the SW universe to those who wish to enjoy further adventures.

[Whuffa]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@July 18 2002 - 21:29
additionally, eu has already been contradicted by the star wars prequels. they've lost any validity they may have had.
It has been contradicted you say? Than how come Lucas used Zahn's name for the galactic capitol - Coruscant, used a jedi from the Star Wars Ongoing comic series in AOTC - Aayla Secura and used the Outrider , the sip of a EU character in ROTJ SE? If he wants to contradict it, he shouldn't use material from it as much.

[Clara]

Exactly. If he did not think it to be part of the official universe, he would of simply scraped it altogether! Just remember; EU is Expanded Universe. It is simply building on what we already know. It is offical. Lucas even has a say as to what can and can't go into it!

[Rogue_0009]

Whuffa, I'd hate to seem anal and pedantic but the outrider was in ANH SE

Mookel1138, non-fiction is not "truth" it is fact if you want the "truth" become a philosopher

[tunafishman]

back on topic...i like tie ships...ooohhh...aaaahhhh

Off topic - I've read some EU, most of it was good reading, but it just doesn't float my boat. Personal opinion, that's all. EUDF, y'all rock though!

[James T. Skywalker]

EUDF, y'all rock though!

Heh, cool. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

In any case, if you wanna go even more EU, you also cannot forget all the TIE variants, or Uglies, made from scrap TIEs. Such "Uglies" include the TIE-wing (combo of TIE ball cockpit and Y-wing nacelles, often referred to as a Die-Wing) and the X-ceptor (I believe I remember this one to be an X-wing fuselage with Interceptor wings), as well as the Twi'lek Deathseeds (there's a more Twi'leki name, I'm blanking on it; these are an X-wing's s-foils attached to a TIE cockpit, but the cockpit stays stationary while the wings rotate, much like the B-wing). Just wanted to point to those... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

~JTS

[GaViN28x]

Nice going squad mates, (EUDF), sorry i did not get here sooner.... anyway we can't forget about Zinji's TIE Raptors.

[RollaFett]

Somebody mentioned Darth Maul's Tie-prototype earlier, wasn't that called a Sith Infiltrator? I'm not saying it wasn't a prototype of a tie ship, just pointing out the name.

[The only one]

There is the TIE Vanguard.

Oh yeah

[James T. Skywalker]

GollaFett, you are correct, as are GaViN and The only one.

~JTS

[Rogue_0009]

Originally posted by JamesTSkywalker@July 19 2002 - 23:52
as well as the Twi'lek Deathseeds (there's a more Twi'leki name, I'm blanking on it; these are an X-wing's s-foils attached to a TIE cockpit, but the cockpit stays stationary while the wings rotate, much like the B-wing). Just wanted to point to those... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

~JTS
Wraith Leader dude, They're called Chir'daki

Also let's not forget Chiss Clawcraft