Why is Anakin the Chosen One?

[Obi-Wan]

I wanted to make this topic because I found out just a few months ago that Anakin is the Chosen One. I had a topic on T'Bone's Message Boards called Is Anakin the Chosen One? And alot of people got mad at me because no matter what anyone said I always thought Luke was the Chosen One. But a few months before T'Bones website shut down I found out Anakin is the Chosen One. But I still wish that Luke was the Chosen One. Who do you think the Chosen One should be?

[Obidobi]

He is the one that brings balance in the force by killing the Evil sith. aka The Emperor.

[dexterlennon]

i think that, no matter how much people want to deny it, anakin is the person who actually fits the prophecy of the chosen one.
immaculate conception...ridding the universe of the dark side...


luke, while he uses the force mostly for good and begs to his father to help him, was only a pawn in the grand scheme of things. by that i mean that, yes, his character was instrumental in turning anakin from the dark side, but he was not physically the person who rid the universe of the dark side.

now, my thoughts could all change if we learn in EPIII that padme is pregnant and she and anakin never consumated the marriage (riiiiight....) but that's about all that could change my mind...


like it or not, anakin is the person who physically brings an end to the dark side of the force by making the decision to assist his son and throw the emperor over the edge...(i know that you know this obi-wan, i'm just summarizing)

[Obi-Wan]

The reason I don't think Anakin should be the Chosen One is because he went to the Darkside. But after you think about it that was the only way balance could be brought to the Force. If Anakin never did go to the Darkside The Sith would have won and the Jedi would be lost forever. And there would be no hope for the Galaxy. But I will always think Luke should have been the Chosen One.

[Polunis]

Here is my way of looking at this situation: the Jedi order was due for a makeover, so to speak. He brought the Jedi back to their senses by helping the Emperor hunt down and destroy them, but he also played the role in his own kamikaze attack on the Emperor. After this, the Sith were destroyed and balance was restored. Now, the Jedi order can find a new life through Luke Skywalker. GL did say that balance was brought about when the Sith order was eliminated.

Sometimes events do not transpire as originally planned; nevertheless, a way will be found to bring balance. You must have confidence in the Force, young Padawan. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif

[Leia]

I always figured that Anakin brought the force back into balance in a bad way. Y'know he made it a two to two ratio by killing all the Jedi. Think about it, balance does not mean no sith left but lots of Jedi running around, it means each side is equal. Luke put the force into imbalance again by turning his father back to the light side.

[haYDen CHriSteNSEn LoVEr]

anakin is the chosen one, he brings balance by killing the emperor in ROTJ, and as luke is the son of the chosen one he also has great powers! but they where not quite as powerfull as the emperors, but vaders/anakins where more powerfull than the emperors! that is why he killed him

[bodhisattva yoda]

i've observed that obi-wan is quite the jesus freak. i don't think he can stomach the thought of anakin's parallel with jesus. it's like the notion of jesus becoming a sith lord. but i could be wrong.

[Obi-Wan]

Really balance can mean no Sith left. Because if the Sith were still alive there would never be any peace in the Galaxy.

[Polunis]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@July 14 2002 - 15:02
i've observed that obi-wan is quite the jesus freak. i don't think he can stomach the thought of anakin's parallel with jesus. it's like the notion of jesus becoming a sith lord. but i could be wrong.
I would never compare Jesus and Anakin, but that is just me.

[Rinc]

Anakin was definitely the chosen one but i think he went about bringing balance that wasn't expected. There was some doubt in TPM about him and i think the jedi might suspect he is the chosen one after all when he turns to the darkside. After all, who expects the saviour to choose the dark path? But he is the chosen one after all, just took the long route.

[bodhisattva yoda]

why wouldn't you compare jesus and anakin? there's an obvious correlation there. virgin mothers and special powers and all that. it was much more evident in the phantom menace than in episode two, of course. you even had the wise men, obi-wan and qui-gon find him. desert location. knowing nothing of greed... come on.

[Leia]

oookay, guess I was completely ignored... can't you see that no sith and one Jedi is an imbalance?? To have balance you have to have equality! Balance doesn't mean peace throughout the galaxy and it doesn't have to be a good thing at all!

[bodhisattva yoda]

that makes sense to a certain degree, but perhaps there's enough crap in the galaxy without the sith making it worse. the sith have a different agend than jedi. jedi are protectors. they have the power to take over the galaxy, but they keep their powers in check. sith, on the other hand, are ruthless. one sith isn't really the negative equivalent of one jedi.

[dexterlennon]

leia, think about your posting this way:

with two sith, the jedi are mostly helpless. clearly, there is an imbalance in the use of the force. the dark side is clouding everything...

[Kenny]

This is how I've always looked at the whole Chosen One prophecy.

The Son of Suns.

Now for those who don't know the son of suns was from one of the rough drafts of Star Wars. The Son of Suns was supposedly a savior that would come and save...stuff.

Now both Anakin and Luke come from Tatooine...which has two suns...Luke is the son of Anakin and Anakin is in a way the son of the Force.

Together they balance the force.

That's how I look at it.

[Kenny]

Also in the end of TPM in the celebration scene you can hear someone yell, "The sons of suns!"

In the special edition of ROTJ you can hear it while the cmaera panes over a celebrating Coruscant.

Just thought I would add that.

[Polunis]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@July 15 2002 - 19:25
why wouldn't you compare jesus and anakin? there's an obvious correlation there. virgin mothers and special powers and all that. it was much more evident in the phantom menace than in episode two, of course. you even had the wise men, obi-wan and qui-gon find him. desert location. knowing nothing of greed... come on.
Because I can. Wise men? They weren't following a star; besides, the Magi of the Bible knew who they were looking for, he who was born King of the Jews. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan had no idea that Anakin was there.

There is no way to be sure that Shmi is a "virgin mother". In other threads, I have found those skeptical with that idea. She wasn't telling Qui-Gon the whole truth, that much seemed to be clear.

"He knows nothing of greed." For a time, it is true. Later on he lusts for power and is filled with pride. Is this parallel with the Jesus of the Bible?

Jesus was tempted, but he never sinned. Can the same be said of Anakin? Jesus: "Thy will be done." Anakin: "My will be done." They are quite different.

[mace]

Oh come on, Polunis. If you can't see the obvious parallels with Anakin and Jesus, you're just not paying attention.
There is no way to be sure that Shmi is a "virgin mother". In other threads, I have found those skeptical with that idea. She wasn't telling Qui-Gon the whole truth, that much seemed to be clear.
Who says there is any way to be sure that Mary the mother of Jesus was a "virgin mother"? She may have been lying to hide the fact that she was unfaithful to her fiancee (a common thing to do at that time, hence all the "sons of Zeus", etc. in Greek mythology).

Some parallels, according to the Bible and the Star Wars films (whether you believe them to be true or just fantasy):
-Both Anakin and Jesus were rumored to have been born to virgin mothers and were apparently discovered by traveling "wise men" (the Magi/the Jedi).
-Both lived in an insignificant desert land (Nazareth/Tatooine), but later became one of the most important figures in their society after they visited/moved to the "big city" (Jerusalem/Coruscant).
-Both were thought by some people to be "The Chosen One" of ancient prophesies who would somehow save the world.
-Both served a master "above" him (God/The Emperor).
-Both died in order to save others.

Now obviously there are some differences between the two, but can you really claim that you don't see the parallels?

[Polunis]

The land of Galilee was actually a very attractive land in Biblical times; I don't think it was all a desert. Jesus grew up in Nazareth, but he was born in Bethlehem which was very close to Jerusalem.

The Shepherds (certainly not the most respected figures of the time) were actually the first ones to find him. Is there such a parallel in SW? The angels were said to announce his birth. Did this happen during Anakin's birth? No one can say.

When did Anakin ever teach the masses? When did Anakin ever walk on the water? When did he ever raise the dead? He would have liked to, but he obviously couldn't. His cheap Jedi tricks cannot be compared with the power Jesus demonstrated in the Gospel narratives.

Jesus' birth was foretold extensively in the Old Testament, but Anakin's was only mentioned very briefly...almost in passing.

I can see some parallels, but I don't view them as very significant compared with the profound differences. I see Anakin more as a tragic hero than an exalted Messianic figure. He killed the Emperor, but wasn't the Death Star going down anyway? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

i only said there were parallels, i didn't mean to say that anakin was just like jesus. but in reference to obi-wan's original gripe with anakin being the choosen one, i still believe it's due to his religious convictions. he'd prefer that luke, who ultimately rejected the dark side (sin) was actually the choosen one when in reality it was anakin, who almost becomes like the anti-christ. i think it makes him queesy. but i may be wrong.

[Polunis]

I am not sure he felt that way, but it is a possibility. Yoda seemed to have more confidence in Anakin than did Obi-Wan in the OT, IMHO. I think he was referring to Anakin when he said in ESB "no, there is another". We will find out in the upcoming film more of the Anakin-Obi-Wan relationship.

[mace]

i only said there were parallels, i didn't mean to say that anakin was just like jesus.
Ditto for me.

Just out of curiosity, Polunis, where is Jesus's birth "foretold extensively in the Old Testament"? I seem to recall a couple of vague passages that Christians have interpreted as foretelling Jesus's birth, but nothing any more extensive than what prophesies apparently existed in the Star Wars world regarding "The Chosen One."

I stand by my assertion that Jesus, like Anakin, came from an insignificant desert land (Nazareth). I would also say that Anakin's "miracles" are just as impressive as the gospel's accounts of Jesus's miracles. Fending off laser blasts with a lightsabre and making things levitate with your mind is cooler than turning water into wine. I mean, David Blaine can do better magic tricks than that! (see South Park episode w/David Blaine vs. Jesus)

Also, I think we may find out that Anakin does indeed conquer death--which is why the only Jedi we have seen appear in ghost form are Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Anakin (see numerous other threads on this sight on this topic).

[Polunis]

You might try Genesis 3:15, Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9, etc. I encourage you to look in a topical Bible; there are definitely more than just a handful of references. The Christian interpretation in these passages appear to be quite sound.

Also, I think we may find out that Anakin does indeed conquer death--which is why the only Jedi we have seen appear in ghost form are Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Anakin (see numerous other threads on this sight on this topic).

Coming back as a spirit is not conquering death; Jesus came back in bodily form. That is what true Christians have always said. It would have been more "in sync" with the times to disdain the flesh like the Gnostics did. Death gripped his body, so in order for true victory to be obtained, the whole man must rise forth.

[Obi-Wan]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@July 17 2002 - 13:40
i think it makes him queesy.
I think it makes him queesy.

No, it does not make me queesy. It is not because of my religious convictions. I just always thought that because when you go to the Darkside, how can you bring balance to the Lightside? But now it all makes sense to me. Also, Anakin always gets on my nerves. Luke is way cooler than Anakin.

[Justin]

I know how Anakin got to be the Chosen One.

"eeny-meeny miney-moe..."

[Tovor]

bump

[ReturnoftheWhill]

Who's the name of your Avatar, she's hot.

Anyways, because Vader kills the Emperor in ROTJ. Lucas made up this chosen one stuff, and everything fell into place. It also created a twist to the story. Lucas said "Well holy cow, I've got myself a saga..." And so we all shine on

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Polunis@Jul 16 2002, 07:12 AM
He killed the Emperor, but wasn't the Death Star going down anyway? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
I don't think so.

Luke, having tipped off the bad guys about Leia, freaked out on Vader, cutting off his right hand in his fury, and the Emperor, thinking Luke had finally turned, urged him to finish Vader off. Then, Luke told him to bug off and that he's a Jedi like his father... and Anakin, after hearing his son's pleas for help, turned back to the Light, and Emperor got the shaft.

Only then, do things really start going right for the Rebellion; the shield generator gets blown to heck (and if you notice, I think Han suddenly gets the idea about using the AT-ST to fool the Imperials about the same time as Luke freaks out on his dad), the Executor goes down and the final attack run is made on the core.

So, no, the Death Star wasn't going down anyway. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif

[Angel Starmaster]

Now, that's something that I'd never noticed before. So you're saying, Darth Sufferable, that the Emperor was so powerful in the force that he was literally controlling the course of events to his own benefit?

That in and of itself is enough to declare Anakin as being the chosen one. If Palpy is truely that all powerful then Yes, two Sith would indeed be enough to cloud everything in the force.

Crimminy.

That's a pretty deep concept really. Had Anakin not snapped out of it when he did, that would have been all she wrote.
Kinda makes it all come right down to the wire, doesn't it?

So waittaminute.....how would Palpy fit into the whole "Jesus" concept? Who would that make him? King Herod? Pilot? He's no Mary Magdiline, I'll say that much.
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