Boycotting Clone Wars and the TV Show

[Mithrandir]

I'm boycotting this series and anything related to it. I refuse to pay money for s##t. When it was first talked about I thought it could be cool but I think I'm done with Star Wars. When I heard the stupid premise and saw the bad character designs and heard the terrible voice overs in the promos I decided to boycott this show. Who cares about Jabba the Hutts son? Why does Anakin have a Padawan? The council doesn't ever trust Anakin from the beginning when Yoda says "clouded this boy's future is", why would they trust him as teacher when they were against him becoming a full Jedi let alone a master. Who cares about any of these characters anymore? Also watching Clones and Droid destroy each other is BORING we know the whole thing is a plot to destroy the Jedi. Why make more story threads which will be loosely tied to gether and entangle a great saga into a steaming pile of bantha poodoo?


For the record, I snuck into the theater after another movie and watched the last half. It was boring. It didn't deepen my Star Wars experience it cheapened it. This is crap and you know it and Goiter Lucas knows it but won't admit it. The animation is okay, but the character designs are terrible. The voice overs were good but the writing was bland. I was once a f--kin Jediworshipping SW Addicted Fan boy who thought everything witht he SW name on it was gold. Now its really just a pale imitation.

No Clone Wars. No TV series. No The Force Unleashed. I'm done with it.

And George? You are a f--king genius. A visionary. Move on. Stop making s^^t. GET OUT OF COMMERCIAL FILM INDUSTRY. Go make THX1138.95245BGAXz:B.

[Blizzard]

Well good for you. It's a cartoon for kids, if you are not 8 you aren't supposed to like it.

[Jedi Master Elad Kenobi]

I'm boycotting this series and anything related to it. I refuse to pay money for s##t. When it was first talked about I thought it could be cool but I think I'm done with Star Wars. When I heard the stupid premise and saw the bad character designs and heard the terrible voice overs in the promos I decided to boycott this show. Who cares about Jabba the Hutts son? Why does Anakin have a Padawan? The council doesn't ever trust Anakin from the beginning when Yoda says "clouded this boy's future is", why would they trust him as teacher when they were against him becoming a full Jedi let alone a master. Who cares about any of these characters anymore? Also watching Clones and Droid destroy each other is BORING we know the whole thing is a plot to destroy the Jedi. Why make more story threads which will be loosely tied to gether and entangle a great saga into a steaming pile of bantha poodoo?


For the record, I snuck into the theater after another movie and watched the last half. It was boring. It didn't deepen my Star Wars experience it cheapened it. This is crap and you know it and Goiter Lucas knows it but won't admit it. The animation is okay, but the character designs are terrible. The voice overs were good but the writing was bland. I was once a f--kin Jediworshipping SW Addicted Fan boy who thought everything witht he SW name on it was gold. Now its really just a pale imitation.

No Clone Wars. No TV series. No The Force Unleashed. I'm done with it.

And George? You are a f--king genius. A visionary. Move on. Stop making s^^t. GET OUT OF COMMERCIAL FILM INDUSTRY. Go make THX1138.95245BGAXz:B.

*Cough, Cough* Issues.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Star Wars is for everyone, not just the old die-hard fans.

Bad character designs and poor voice overs (or was it good voice overs, you refer to both!)? I must have been watching a different film. Of course, I watched it and then formed my opinion - you seem to already have had yours before you snuck in to watch the second half of it. I cared about Jabba the Hutts son whilst watching the film - and so did the both sides in the war. If you had seen the beginning of the film you would note that giving Anakin a Padawan was Yoda's idea to try an teach Anakin - by having him teach someone rather like himself. Something that is true to real life.

Being unsure of someone's future does not equal mistrust. I believe Mace Windu is the only character who states that he doesn't trust Skywalker. Which, of course, he was right not to. Personally, I think that the Clone Wars adds to the SW universe and having something that is aimed at kids does not cheapen it.

[Lord Tesla]

I'm boycotting this series and anything related to it. I refuse to pay money for s##t. When it was first talked about I thought it could be cool but I think I'm done with Star Wars. When I heard the stupid premise and saw the bad character designs and heard the terrible voice overs in the promos I decided to boycott this show. Who cares about Jabba the Hutts son? Why does Anakin have a Padawan? The council doesn't ever trust Anakin from the beginning when Yoda says "clouded this boy's future is", why would they trust him as teacher when they were against him becoming a full Jedi let alone a master. Who cares about any of these characters anymore? Also watching Clones and Droid destroy each other is BORING we know the whole thing is a plot to destroy the Jedi. Why make more story threads which will be loosely tied to gether and entangle a great saga into a steaming pile of bantha poodoo?


For the record, I snuck into the theater after another movie and watched the last half. It was boring. It didn't deepen my Star Wars experience it cheapened it. This is crap and you know it and Goiter Lucas knows it but won't admit it. The animation is okay, but the character designs are terrible. The voice overs were good but the writing was bland. I was once a f--kin Jediworshipping SW Addicted Fan boy who thought everything witht he SW name on it was gold. Now its really just a pale imitation.

No Clone Wars. No TV series. No The Force Unleashed. I'm done with it.

And George? You are a f--king genius. A visionary. Move on. Stop making s^^t. GET OUT OF COMMERCIAL FILM INDUSTRY. Go make THX1138.95245BGAXz:B.


Well, I'll agree that it makes no sense for Anakin to have a Padawan. I think Aorta, or whatever her name is, is to Star Wars what Mr. Chekov was to Trek: A late addition driven by marketing rather than arising from any logic in the story or other dramatic need.

But I'm not going to boycot the program, until I've seen a couple of episodes, anyway. And I'll probably try to get a look at the film on DVD. There's going to be a DVD isn't there?

[Lord Tesla]

If you had seen the beginning of the film you would note that giving Anakin a Padawan was Yoda's idea to try an teach Anakin - by having him teach someone rather like himself. Something that is true to real life.

True to real life, perhaps, but not consistent with everything we know about Anakin and Yoda and the opinion of the Council from every other cinematic source.

Being unsure of someone's future does not equal mistrust. I believe Mace Windu is the only character who states that he doesn't trust Skywalker.

"Agree with you taking this boy as your apprentice, I do not."

"The Chosen One the boy may be, but grave danger do I fear from his training."

Yoda was extremely dubious about Anakin. In Episode I.

Which, of course, he was right not to.

On the contrary, the distrust helped to isolate Anakin from the rest of the Order, and drive him toward Palpatine. It helped create the circumstances of Anakin's fall. For instance, had Windu trusted Anakin to come along to confront the Chancellor, Sidious wouldn't have had the opportunity to stage the tableau with Windu Anakin discovered when he arrived in the Chancellor's office. Things might have gone considerably different, and considerably better for the forces of goodness and light, if that had been the case.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Well, I'll agree that it makes no sense for Anakin to have a Padawan. I think Aorta, or whatever her name is, is to Star Wars what Mr. Chekov was to Trek: A late addition driven by marketing rather than arising from any logic in the story or other dramatic need.

It made perfect sense for Anakin to have a Padawan learner. It was a time of war, more Jedi were needed. If each top ranking Jedi already had a Padawan, then it meant that whoever was next in line would have to take one. Anakin was very gifted and becoming more powerful and moreover teaching someone that had similar flaws to himself should have made him grow. He was the ideal person to take Ahsoka on.

True to real life, perhaps, but not consistent with everything we know about Anakin and Yoda and the opinion of the Council from every other cinematic source.

"Agree with you taking this boy as your apprentice, I do not."

"The Chosen One the boy may be, but grave danger do I fear from his training."

Yoda was extremely dubious about Anakin. In Episode I.

On the contrary, the distrust helped to isolate Anakin from the rest of the Order, and drive him toward Palpatine. It helped create the circumstances of Anakin's fall. For instance, had Windu trusted Anakin to come along to confront the Chancellor, Sidious wouldn't have had the opportunity to stage the tableau with Windu Anakin discovered when he arrived in the Chancellor's office. Things might have gone considerably different, and considerably better for the forces of goodness and light, if that had been the case.

Yoda was dubious about Anakin's training in TPM, but in the Clone Wars he stated that Anakin was the Republic's only hope. Yoda never states that he doesn't trust Anakin,to my knowledge. Unfortunately for the republic, Anakin simply made some bad decisions.

I'm afraid that it would have made no difference at all had Mace taken Anakin to arrest Palpatine. Anakin had already made his decision as to what path he would take when he said goodbye to Kenobi as he flew off to destroy Grevious. Anakin would have made the same decision whether he felt everyone trusted him or not.

[Lord Tesla]

It made perfect sense for Anakin to have a Padawan learner. It was a time of war, more Jedi were needed. If each top ranking Jedi already had a Padawan, then it meant that whoever was next in line would have to take one. Anakin was very gifted and becoming more powerful and moreover teaching someone that had similar flaws to himself should have made him grow. He was the ideal person to take Ahsoka on.

Reasoned that way, yes, it is does make sense, for anyone other than Anakin. Anakin is in a class by himself. Not merely because of his nature and origins, but also because of the irregularities of his training, first and foremost that he began the training so late.


Yoda was dubious about Anakin's training in TPM, but in the Clone Wars he stated that Anakin was the Republic's only hope. Yoda never states that he doesn't trust Anakin,to my knowledge. Unfortunately for the republic, Anakin simply made some bad decisions.

You are more or less correct, however, remember that Yoda perceived problems with Anakin, even if he couldn't entirely decipher their nature--the sense he had of Skywalker's "Terrible Pain" in AOTC, for instance--and, by the time of ROTS, he was of the opinion that the Prophecy had perhaps been misunderstood, which must reflect some doubt about Anakin.

I'm afraid that it would have made no difference at all had Mace taken Anakin to arrest Palpatine. Anakin had already made his decision as to what path he would take when he said goodbye to Kenobi as he flew off to destroy Grevious. Anakin would have made the same decision whether he felt everyone trusted him or not.

He did not yet know Palpatine was Sidious when Obi-Wan departed. And even at the time he discovered it, he held back from acting on his feelings, he reported to Windu rather than killing Palpatine, because Anakin, then, as he always had been, was conflicted, but sought to do the right thing.

Had Windu been able to see past the next five seconds and trusted Anakin, Anakin would have been there when they attempted to arrest the Chancellor. Palpatine would have either played the situation out differently, or, had he gone on the attack still, Anakin would have seen the whole thing, Anakin would not have seen Windu towering over the injured and defeated Palpatine, about to do what Anakin himself had done to Dooku and regretted--and Palpatine would not have been able to play on Anakin's emotions as he did. Anakin would not have taken that terrible step. Not at that time, not in that way, and events would necessarily have been quite different.

[borgmatrix]

Reasoned that way, yes, it is does make sense, for anyone other than Anakin. Anakin is in a class by himself. Not merely because of his nature and origins, but also because of the irregularities of his training, first and foremost that he began the training so late.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
It would seem to be odd he'd get an apprentice. Maybe after a few more years, but as of the Clone Wars, he would seem a bit young, too inexperienced for an apprentice, and perhaps not of the right temperament. <o:p></o:p>
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But, I suppose we can't pretend the masters don’t see any good or potential in him, since he is still a Jedi, has been trained (and continues to be), and is regarded as the Chosen One. Has to count for something, I suppose.<o:p></o:p>
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You are more or less correct, however, remember that Yoda perceived problems with Anakin, even if he couldn't entirely decipher their nature--the sense he had of Skywalker's "Terrible Pain" in AOTC, for instance--and, by the time of ROTS, he was of the opinion that the Prophecy had perhaps been misunderstood, which must reflect some doubt about Anakin.<o:p></o:p>
Well, it was more that it might have been understood. Yoda was raising that possibility, not necessarily saying its where he stood. <o:p></o:p>
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Had Windu been able to see past the next five seconds and trusted Anakin, Anakin would have been there when they attempted to arrest the Chancellor.<o:p></o:p>
:laughing: I’d say he saw well past the next five seconds to the disaster Anakin would cause later when present. As I’ve stated in the past, Mace was right in not wanting Skywalker there, since we all saw just how badly he acted once there. Even Anakin was aware of how wrong his action was. “What have I done?” He was too unstable of an element to be present in that pressure cooker of a situation.

[Solo]

I'm boycotting this series and anything related to it. I refuse to pay money for s##t. When it was first talked about I thought it could be cool but I think I'm done with Star Wars. When I heard the stupid premise and saw the bad character designs and heard the terrible voice overs in the promos I decided to boycott this show. Who cares about Jabba the Hutts son? Why does Anakin have a Padawan? The council doesn't ever trust Anakin from the beginning when Yoda says "clouded this boy's future is", why would they trust him as teacher when they were against him becoming a full Jedi let alone a master. Who cares about any of these characters anymore? Also watching Clones and Droid destroy each other is BORING we know the whole thing is a plot to destroy the Jedi. Why make more story threads which will be loosely tied to gether and entangle a great saga into a steaming pile of bantha poodoo?


For the record, I snuck into the theater after another movie and watched the last half. It was boring. It didn't deepen my Star Wars experience it cheapened it. This is crap and you know it and Goiter Lucas knows it but won't admit it. The animation is okay, but the character designs are terrible. The voice overs were good but the writing was bland. I was once a f--kin Jediworshipping SW Addicted Fan boy who thought everything witht he SW name on it was gold. Now its really just a pale imitation.

No Clone Wars. No TV series. No The Force Unleashed. I'm done with it.

And George? You are a f--king genius. A visionary. Move on. Stop making s^^t. GET OUT OF COMMERCIAL FILM INDUSTRY. Go make THX1138.95245BGAXz:B.

You seem to be really angry with Clone Wars. There is one simple option. Do not watch them. :wink:

[Lord Tesla]

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It would seem to be odd he'd get an apprentice. Maybe after a few more years, but as of the Clone Wars, he would seem a bit young, too inexperienced for an apprentice, and perhaps not of the right temperament.

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But, I suppose we can't pretend the masters don’t see any good or potential in him, since he is still a Jedi, has been trained (and continues to be), and is regarded as the Chosen One. Has to count for something, I suppose.<o:p></o:p>
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They were afraid of him. They were afraid to train him; they were afraid not to. Precisely because he was the Chosen One, and did not meet their expectations of what the Chosen One should be. But they didn't dare let so powerful a being, who fit into their Prophecy so well, out from under their control, if they wanted to be in on and influence the fulfillment of the Prophecy. What was it Palpatine said about those who have power fearing to lose it?
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Well, it was more that it might have been understood. Yoda was raising that possibility, not necessarily saying its where he stood. <o:p></o:p>
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His having raised it suggests he at least considered the possibility credible, which is tantamount to doubting.

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:laughing: I’d say he saw well past the next five seconds to the disaster Anakin would cause later when present. As I’ve stated in the past, Mace was right in not wanting Skywalker there, since we all saw just how badly he acted once there. Even Anakin was aware of how wrong his action was. “What have I done?” He was too unstable of an element to be present in that pressure cooker of a situation.

Had Windu had any foresight at all, he would have realized that a) he was dead before the troop transport lifted off, and b) that the only one who could have stood a chance against Palpatine was the man he ordered to stay behind: Anakin. He might also have foreseen the assault on the Temple, and, rather than going on a doomed mission to arrest Darth Sidious, begun evacuation of the Jedi from Coruscant.

Note that Palpatine dispatched the other Jedi with Windu rapidly, and that the duel with Windu ended quite conveniently with Palpatine appearing to be at Windu's mercy, just in time for the arrival of a very volatile young man Palpatine wanted to influence to his allegiance. It was theater: it lasted as long as Sidious wanted it to last, and ended as Sidious wanted it to end, in order to elicit from Anakin the response it did.

Had Master Windu allowed Anakin to accompany him, Palpatine's bit of theater wouldn't have come off as planned. The reaction he sought to elicit from Anakin with it would also not have come off as planned. It would have been very difficult for him to have precipitated a confrontation between Anakin and Windu. He might yet have achieved it, at some point, in some fashion, but not there, not then, not that way. And the clock was ticking: Anakin was controllable because of his fear for Padmé, and those fears were attached to the impending birth of their child; shortly, the child (or as would have been discovered, children) would have been born, and Padmé would have survived, since it was not the childbirth but the loss of Anakin that killed Padmé, and Anakin wouldn't have been lost to her.

After that point, Palpatine would have found it much more difficult to turn Anakin. Darth Vader might never have existed, and the final confrontation between Anakin and the Emperor might have taken place two decades sooner.

[Rabid Whiphid]

With all due respect to the previous posters, the conversation has wandered a bit off the original topic... "from my point of view". haha.

Although I feel less anger about this subject than Mithrandir, I agree with his main point. Star Wars fans went through this situation before, between 1884-1986. The trilogy ended but the Lucasfilm company wasn't ready to accept that bittersweet fact. So, like an amusing drunk who should have left the party hours ago, they kept hanging around long past their welcome, getting drunker, and louder, and making an ass of themselves. In the 80's they did this with the insipid, made-for-TV "Ewok Adventure" movies.

These days Lucasfilm is doing the same thing again, with the annoying, animated "Clone Wars" movie. But the difference now, in 2008, is that the drunk is hanging around even longer, loudly refusing to leave, getting on more peoples' nerves (including his friends) and making an even bigger, louder ass of himself. And proclaiming that he will be staying even longer (with the upcoming live action TV show), no matter what any-yoo sum-bishes say cuz I'm tha life-uvtha party an' I c'n do wha-ever I.... want. Burp! Now shaddup an' gimme 'nother drrrrink..... PUKE!!!!

Theatrical release or not, I consider the animated Clone Wars movie EU material, and have never been interested in the EU anyway, so I will probably never get around to seeing it. Or caring about it enough to get mad about it. As far as I'm concerned, Star Wars, a life-long love of mine, achieved a very satisfying conclusion in 2005 with Revenge of the Sith. I really don't require anything more from it, and when I need a fix, I will pull out my DVDs of the 6 film saga and give them another whirl.

But seriously, it's time for Lucas and company to stop disrespecting their creation and embarrassing their fans. They are making it harder and harder to admit, in polite society, that you are a friend of the obnoxious drunk who refuses to just go home before he completley ruins his reputation.





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[Talcy]

Mithrandir, no one is forcing you to buy or watch (which costs no money, you know, watching TV) any of this stuff. I hated the Clone Wars film but I'll give the rest of the tv show a try. And I'm looking forward to the live action show - I've no idea what it will be like. And if they're both rubbish, then so what? Go and do something else. But, please, don't be so unnecessarily angry about someting which is such a luxury and something which we, as fans, only react to and do not work hard to create, as the crews do.

Life's too short.

My own opinion on the Clone Wars film was a lot more negative than I thought it would be, but your rhetoric is pretty extreme for the general tone of these boards. Plus, you admit you've only seen the second half of it. Played The Force Unleashed yet? I have a feeling you might not have. I haven't and will not pass judgement on it until I have.

I cannot understand why people decide that it's all crap and they're done with it when something crap is added to it. I still love the original films and nothing will ever take away from that. George Lucas does what he does. I don't care either way.

[thepepgal]

I'm boycotting this series and anything related to it. I refuse to pay money for s##t. When it was first talked about I thought it could be cool but I think I'm done with Star Wars. When I heard the stupid premise and saw the bad character designs and heard the terrible voice overs in the promos I decided to boycott this show. Who cares about Jabba the Hutts son? Why does Anakin have a Padawan? The council doesn't ever trust Anakin from the beginning when Yoda says "clouded this boy's future is", why would they trust him as teacher when they were against him becoming a full Jedi let alone a master. Who cares about any of these characters anymore? Also watching Clones and Droid destroy each other is BORING we know the whole thing is a plot to destroy the Jedi. Why make more story threads which will be loosely tied to gether and entangle a great saga into a steaming pile of bantha poodoo?


For the record, I snuck into the theater after another movie and watched the last half. It was boring. It didn't deepen my Star Wars experience it cheapened it. This is crap and you know it and Goiter Lucas knows it but won't admit it. The animation is okay, but the character designs are terrible. The voice overs were good but the writing was bland. I was once a f--kin Jediworshipping SW Addicted Fan boy who thought everything witht he SW name on it was gold. Now its really just a pale imitation.

No Clone Wars. No TV series. No The Force Unleashed. I'm done with it.

And George? You are a f--king genius. A visionary. Move on. Stop making s^^t. GET OUT OF COMMERCIAL FILM INDUSTRY. Go make THX1138.95245BGAXz:B.

No one likes everything they come across in the world. With so many different releases coming from Star Wars, it's not surprising that you don't like this.

I feel sorry for you that things have gotten this bad for you. I accept that you still have feelings for it since your comment shows how much you have enjoyed Star Wars and that you can't accept what is happening now. The fact you still hold George in high regard still shows this.

It's a shame that you didn't see the film from the start as walking in half way through can sometimes make you view things different. Since you didn't how things were set up from the start. Promos never do any film justice so I take them with a grain of salt.

Well good for you. It's a cartoon for kids, if you are not 8 you aren't supposed to like it.

I enjoyed it but I'm not 8. Mind I'm in touch with my inner child. :wink:

Star Wars is for everyone, not just the old die-hard fans.

Personally, I think that the Clone Wars adds to the SW universe and having something that is aimed at kids does not cheapen it.

This show is definitely aimed at kids. That way Star Wars will continue for the next generation. Us old die-hard aren't getting any younger. :nahnah:

Well, I'll agree that it makes no sense for Anakin to have a Padawan. I think Aorta, or whatever her name is, is to Star Wars what Mr. Chekov was to Trek: A late addition driven by marketing rather than arising from any logic in the story or other dramatic need.

But I'm not going to boycot the program, until I've seen a couple of episodes, anyway. And I'll probably try to get a look at the film on DVD. There's going to be a DVD isn't there?

Of course there is going to be a dvd and a blu-ray release. Any company that believes that releasing another copy of the 6 films of the saga just with different outer packaging will definitely release the Clone Wars movie in as many forms as possible.

You seem to be really angry with Clone Wars. There is one simple option. Do not watch them. :wink:

Good point. Ignore it and they disappear from your sight in time.

With all due respect to the previous posters, the conversation has wandered a bit off the original topic... "from my point of view". haha.

Although I feel less anger about this subject than Mithrandir, I agree with his main point. Star Wars fans went through this situation before, between 1884-1986. The trilogy ended but the Lucasfilm company wasn't ready to accept that bittersweet fact. So, like an amusing drunk who should have left the party hours ago, they kept hanging around long past their welcome, getting drunker, and louder, and making an ass of themselves. In the 80's they did this with the insipid, made-for-TV "Ewok Adventure" movies.

These days Lucasfilm is doing the same thing again, with the annoying, animated "Clone Wars" movie. But the difference now, in 2008, is that the drunk is hanging around even longer, loudly refusing to leave, getting on more peoples' nerves (including his friends) and making an even bigger, louder ass of himself. And proclaiming that he will be staying even longer (with the upcoming live action TV show), no matter what any-yoo sum-bishes say cuz I'm tha life-uvtha party an' I c'n do wha-ever I.... want. Burp! Now shaddup an' gimme 'nother drrrrink..... PUKE!!!!

Theatrical release or not, I consider the animated Clone Wars movie EU material, and have never been interested in the EU anyway, so I will probably never get around to seeing it. Or caring about it enough to get mad about it. As far as I'm concerned, Star Wars, a life-long love of mine, achieved a very satisfying conclusion in 2005 with Revenge of the Sith. I really don't require anything more from it, and when I need a fix, I will pull out my DVDs of the 6 film saga and give them another whirl.

But seriously, it's time for Lucas and company to stop disrespecting their creation and embarrassing their fans. They are making it harder and harder to admit, in polite society, that you are a friend of the obnoxious drunk who refuses to just go home before he completley ruins his reputation.

It's call marketing. George is no longer directly involved in every part of what is released with Star Wars. Yes he still has overall control and can put a stop to it whenever he wants. But the money from these ventures gives him the choice to develop other visionary items and media. Remember most of the steps forward in cinema and it technology in the past 30 years have come from some company he has been involved in (THX, ILM, shooting digitally even Pixar was originally started by him and sold). His visions to push the boundaries and move forward have been made possible by the sucess of Star Wars.

People employed by Lucasfilms wants to continue to have jobs so they develop new storylines from Star Wars. Del Rey and other companies pay for licences to sell books and other merchanise and to make money from these licences new characters must be intorduced or the fans will get bored and not buy.

Sometimes I can feel that they are stretching it too far but I've yet too reach saturation point.

Mithrandir, no one is forcing you to buy or watch (which costs no money, you know, watching TV) any of this stuff. I hated the Clone Wars film but I'll give the rest of the tv show a try. And I'm looking forward to the live action show - I've no idea what it will be like. And if they're both rubbish, then so what? Go and do something else. But, please, don't be so unnecessarily angry about someting which is such a luxury and something which we, as fans, only react to and do not work hard to create, as the crews do.

Life's too short.

My own opinion on the Clone Wars film was a lot more negative than I thought it would be, but your rhetoric is pretty extreme for the general tone of these boards. Plus, you admit you've only seen the second half of it. Played The Force Unleashed yet? I have a feeling you might not have. I haven't and will not pass judgement on it until I have.

I cannot understand why people decide that it's all crap and they're done with it when something crap is added to it. I still love the original films and nothing will ever take away from that. George Lucas does what he does. I don't care either way.


You are right, life is too short. It should be enjoyed. I can understand people fall out of love with things. It is said that there is a fine line between love and hate. Mithrandir shows this. Some of his words still show the love he has but the distaste for the current series overshadows this at the moment. For many years we were starved of any new Star Wars and now we have a guttony with a new book monthly or less, a new movie, a new computer game yearly, 2 new tv series in development. It is just too much for Mithrandir to take in.

[Mithrandir]

Sorry if I sound angry but it's how I feel about the whole thing. I understand that the whole Prequel trilogy and the Clone Wars series is targeted to the younglings. So was the original trilogy but the thing about Star Wars(at least the original trilogy) is that it appealed to children and adults alike. Dramatic themes, homages to westerns, saturday matinees, mythical structure, and just the fact that each movie can stand on its own because of the way it was written. The Prequels don't have that same quality. Revenge of the Sith came clsoe and tied it all nicely together. And yet looking back they are still rather unsatisfying.

Wall-E, Finding Nemo, these are animated films that have mastered the art of appealing to adults and children with layers of good storytelling. The recent installments from Lucasfilm have not had that quality. If you think they do, maybe you should go back and watch some old timeless classics, read up on the craft of filmmaking and storytelling.

"As attractive as the Star Wars world is, eventually you have to leave home and move on to somewhere else." - George Lucas (at the end of From Star Wars to Jedi)

[borgmatrix]

With all due respect to the previous posters, the conversation has wandered a bit off the original topic... "from my point of view". haha.
Yeah, it has. Hey LT, I decided to take our discussion over to the Anakin thread in the Prequel board. There seemed to be a few possibilities as to where it would be best placed, including that Mace thread that had similar debate in the past, but I exercised my "point of view" and decided to drop it in the recent Anakin thread, which seemed to need some direction anyway :)

Regarding this topic, it seems pointless to boycott the show. If you don't want to see it, don't. Simple as that. No need to ruin it for others who do.

I won't be watching it. Couldn't muster any interest in seeing the "movie", so I didn't. I did read (well, more like kinda skimmed) the novel. It had some interesting stuff, namely the parts that got into the minds of the characters. Nothing I'd call horrible, just not terribly engaging either.

For me, its hard to get excited about a Clone Wars series after the movie saga has been completed. A full-blown CW series would have had better timing if its arrival had come between ep II and III. And I still feel the PT should have been structured differently so that epII was the Clone Wars.

When the series begins, I'll probably check out an episode to see what its like.

[Rabid Whiphid]

It's call marketing. George is no longer directly involved in every part of what is released with Star Wars. Yes he still has overall control and can put a stop to it whenever he wants. But the money from these ventures gives him the choice to develop other visionary items and media. Remember most of the steps forward in cinema and it technology in the past 30 years have come from some company he has been involved in (THX, ILM, shooting digitally even Pixar was originally started by him and sold). His visions to push the boundaries and move forward have been made possible by the sucess of Star Wars.

People employed by Lucasfilms wants to continue to have jobs so they develop new storylines from Star Wars. Del Rey and other companies pay for licences to sell books and other merchanise and to make money from these licences new characters must be intorduced or the fans will get bored and not buy.

Sometimes I can feel that they are stretching it too far but I've yet too reach saturation point.


Maybe this will take you directly to your saturation point. Lucas has the final say on everything Star Wars, right? They have to get his approval before they can do any of this stuff, right? If that's true, then watch this Youtube clip of the new amusement park attraction, "Dancing With the Stars of Star Wars"... and try telling me, with a straight face, that Lucas isn't currently making creative choices which degrade his own creation:

YouTube - Dance Off with the Star Wars Stars 2008

YouTube - Dancing with the Star Wars Stars 2007










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[Talcy]

Completely appalling.

But here's my point. I don't care. Star Wars exists in my mind, as my memories. If I see something stupid then I choose not to take it seriously. Or pay it no mind. Those clips...appalling. But relatively harmless. Other things just as stupid were around in the 1970's when SW came out.

And I do not seriously think that George Lucas actually sat down in a meeting and said, "Hey, you know what would be fun...?" with regards to those clips. Lucasfilm is a big company and if George Lucas was to run it the way some cynical people think, then he'd either have multiple limbs and a mega brian or the biggest coke habit this side of Tom Sizemore.

[Tovor]

I don't know, guys. I sorta dug disco dancin' Wookiee. But like it or not, those were comedy routines that are in no way meant to be taken seriously along side of the movies. And that's the way I take it, just like chuckling over a Star Wars parody on The Family Guy or any similiar non-canon form of media.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

^^^ That's some fun stuff for kids - an amusement park. It in no way degrades SW, it's just a bit of fun. When I watch SW with other GS people, we don't sit there for the 2 hours taking it so seriously we discuss as we do here, we laugh at it, mimic things, enjoy ourselves. Some people need to lighten up and remember what it is to enjoy themselves. Something doesn't need to be written like a Shakespearian classic or a movie like The Godfather Part II to be enjoyable.

My final word with regard to Anakin taking a Padawan would be to compare it to a a real world situation, say the 2nd world war. The allies were losing hundreds of very young men and when they were gone, we had to bring in younger men to replace them. This meant that an 18 year old could be in charge of a squad, even if he only had 6 months experience himself. In times of war, such decisions need to be made. So there is absolutely no issue with Anakin taking a Padawan, in times of war, you do what you must. So they did. :)

[Tovor]

^^^ That's some fun stuff for kids - an amusement park. It in no way degrades SW, it's just a bit of fun. When I watch SW with other GS people, we don't sit there for the 2 hours taking it so seriously we discuss as we do here, we laugh at it, mimic things, enjoy ourselves. Some people need to lighten up and remember what it is to enjoy themselves. Something doesn't need to be written like a Shakespearian classic or a movie like The Godfather Part II to be enjoyable.

My final word with regard to Anakin taking a Padawan would be to compare it to a a real world situation, say the 2nd world war. The allies were losing hundreds of very young men and when they were gone, we had to bring in younger men to replace them. This meant that an 18 year old could be in charge of a squad, even if he only had 6 months experience himself. In times of war, such decisions need to be made. So there is absolutely no issue with Anakin taking a Padawan, in times of war, you do what you must. So they did. :)
What you say makes perfect sense, but my stand as stated in other threads is that Anakin had too much of an anger issue, with too many brushes with the dark side, and Yoda and Mace's concerns about his fear and anger...including Anakin's near-fatal disregard to Obi-Wan's directives regarding handling Dooku, and the earlier incident in the Tusken camp, which Yoda certainly sensed quite strongly through the Force. My opinion is that although it was indeed a time of war and more trainers and learners were needed, with 2 Sith lords running around, the ever present danger of the tempations of the Dark Side, and Anakin's uncontrolled dark side-like actions, he was not a good model for a padawan to follow. Not so soon after the failure against Dooku and the failure against himself and the Jedi way, with the Tuskens.

I still enjoyed the CW movie though, outside of that.

[Lord Tesla]

Yeah, it has. Hey LT, I decided to take our discussion over to the Anakin thread in the Prequel board. There seemed to be a few possibilities as to where it would be best placed, including that Mace thread that had similar debate in the past, but I exercised my "point of view" and decided to drop it in the recent Anakin thread, which seemed to need some direction anyway :)

Roger, roger. :)

[thepepgal]

"As attractive as the Star Wars world is, eventually you have to leave home and move on to somewhere else." - George Lucas (at the end of From Star Wars to Jedi)

No, I don't want to leave the Star Wars universe and George doesn't know how to leave either.

Proof is this film and the future projects. :wink:<!-- / message -->

Maybe this will take you directly to your saturation point. Lucas has the final say on everything Star Wars, right? They have to get his approval before they can do any of this stuff, right? If that's true, then watch this Youtube clip of the new amusement park attraction, "Dancing With the Stars of Star Wars"... and try telling me, with a straight face, that Lucas isn't currently making creative choices which degrade his own creation:

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I've seen them before and it didn't reach my saturation point. I don't believe ever George saw the creation and it wasn't past before him. I believe that LFL actually approve the concept only. I actually like the clips.