Asajj Ventress

[RollaFett]

Ok, I plead ignorant on this character. All I can recall is that she showed up in the micro series, and presumedly fell to her death while fighting Anakin. Prior to that, all I remember is that I believe she was originally the model for the Sith lord for AOTC before Lucas decided to have an old dude play that role.
Anything else out there on this character? Is she in the EU, besides the micro series?

[Kapit]

I know she was in some of the comics too

[Darill Cyllem]

Ventress has a prominent role in Dark Rendezvous - a fun time as far as EU novels go. Should be interesting to see more of her.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Hmmm, let's see if I can remember correctly: I believe her first appearance was in the Mace Windu comic. After that she appears in a number of the Clone Wars novels. She was supposedly killed in the comic series Obsession but it was found out that she was actually in a trance. She disappeared for a while until, according to the New Essential Chronology, she returned to fight in the Battle of Xagobah. After that there is no more mentioning of her, if I remember correctly.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

She appeared in the novels The Cestus Deception, Yoda: Dark Rendezvous and Labyrinth of Evil, from memory. Of course, you could always check Wookieepedia - here is the SW databank entry for her.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/asajjventress/?id=eu

[RollaFett]

But what is she? A Sith lord? A dark Jedi? A dark force user?

[Darill Cyllem]

I'd say a Dark Side user. My understanding is that she wants to be Dooku's apprentice, but he strings her along on that front - rule of two and all that, i suppose.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

No, she is not a Sith Lord - she states to Dooku that she is a Sith and then he whips her in battle to show she is not a Sith. That's from the CW cartoon, I think. I think she was trained by a Jedi, but was not a Jedi.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Yes, she is simply considered a Dark Jedi. She was originally trained by Ky Narec, according to Wookieepedia, but she gave into her anger and slew him and from then on sought to follow the Sith ways.

[RollaFett]

Uh-huh, the databank entry states that Dooku never trained her as a Sith, but merely honed her fighting/Force skills.
While Dooku was never a weak character, I was always intrigued by how the PT might've been different had Lucas decided to go with her instead of Dooku. Maybe he thought she would've been to similar to Darth Maul, and that's why he rejected that idea.

[Darill Cyllem]

Her character does seem a lot more similar to Maul's from what I've so far observed. I got the impression that she had somehow been "wronged" by a/the Jedi from reading Dark Rendezvous, which contributed to her fall, but don't remember much beyond that.

[RollaFett]

Ok, so if you don't read EU, and for the most part, I do not. How is anyone supposed to know anything about her? Anyone think her origins will be brought up in the film?

[Doze]

Ok, so if you don't read EU, and for the most part, I do not. How is anyone supposed to know anything about her? ...watch the movie?... :wink:Anyone think her origins will be brought up in the film?I hope not. One of the things that is wrong with the SW or even Star Trek is that we know to much, too much has been told and the mystery has been killed. I hope that after the movie we have more questions then answers.

[RollaFett]

I'm not saying I need a lot of backstory, but to suddenly have this crazy looking chick with two lightsabers running around would be a little confusing, no?

Hmmm...on second thought, Grievous sort of just showed up for ROTS with no backstory, soooo....I suppose it can work.

[Doze]

Right, no back-story on Yoda, R2D2, Tarkin, The Emperor or Lando. Yes there is in the EU but not really in the movies. So...

[RollaFett]

I think you misunderstand me a little.
I don't need every detail of every character explained to me. This one particular character, however, seems to warrant some sort of explanation, IMO. We haven't seen a "dark Jedi" before, or even simply a "dark force user". We know Jedi and Sith. To throw Ventress into the mix suddenly with no explanation seems wrong to me. Who knows, maybe the flick will have an explanation and I'll be happy. Maybe it won't, and I'll wind up not really caring.

[Doze]

I think you misunderstand me a little.
I don't need every detail of every character explained to me. This one particular character, however, seems to warrant some sort of explanation, IMO. We haven't seen a "dark Jedi" before, or even simply a "dark force user". We know Jedi and Sith. To throw Ventress into the mix suddenly with no explanation seems wrong to me. Who knows, maybe the flick will have an explanation and I'll be happy. Maybe it won't, and I'll wind up not really caring.So you did not see the first cartoon then? :confused: There was a little intro to her in that. We see her try out for the job then before the Emperor before she gets on to the killing. I thought it was a little over done but it was in the first cartoon.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, that's true. Kind of forgot how that went.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Right, no back-story on Yoda, R2D2, Tarkin, The Emperor or Lando. Yes there is in the EU but not really in the movies. So...

No back story on Anakin Skywalker for 20 years! :wink:

[Darill Cyllem]

The cartoon definitely explained a lot more about her back story than the book, for me, anyway.
But I'm with you, Rolla, about Gen. Grievous seemingly coming out of nowhere. I felt the same about Dooku - sort of... "ok, who is this now?" The beginning scroll just didn't quite cut it for me some how for those characters. I'm not sure why.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, the PT kept introducing new character after new character, with no actual introductions accompanying them. In the OT, you meet most of your main cast in the first film, and most of the additions didn't simply pop up out of nowhere. OB1 told Luke about going to Yoda and that he was a Jedi master. Han spoke about hiding out at Lando's place, and that he was a shady character. Jabba was alluded to in each of the first two films, and we knew he was a bad dude.
The PT didn't do much of that. Maybe a quick mention in a crawl or something, but that was usually it. Now don't get me wrong, it didn't ruin anything for me, but it would've been nice to have known a little something about the new characters, or at least got the impression that they were alway around somewhere previosuly, but just unseen.
Now, with this film, we get Ventress, but unless you watched the microseries or read EU, it might seem pretty weird to see someone running around with red lightsabers. Now all of this may be moot, as her prescence may indeed have some sort of backstory or introduction. And, as I've already said, even if that doesn't happen, maybe it won't bug me anyway.

[Raganork8]

I Always got the impression that Assaj Was a disillusioned Dark Side user, who worked with/for Komari Vosa and after Seeing Jango Kill her; decided to hunt down Count Dooku claiming she was a sith; after he whooped her he decided to hone her skills with the purpose of having a team to betray Palpatine and enforce his order on the galaxy.


I could be wrong.


I don't remember

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Interesting that you say that, Rag. I actually started a fanfic way back that had Komari and Asajj working together, planning to overtake Sidious and Tyranus (actually I've, little by little, been adapting it into an audioplay, but whether it will actually happen or not...)

I think it's neat, though, that they do tie together in that the twin lightsabers Dooku presents to Asajj were Vosa's.

[Raganork8]

I knew they were Vosa's; I thought she took it from Vosa's Dead body after Jango killed her.


funny thing is I'm using that for the RPG

[RollaFett]

Alright, I have no idea what the hell either of you are talking about at this point. :P

I just re-watched the first dvd of the micro-series. Dooku arranges a massive battle royal and Ventress shows up and kicks everybody's ass. She want to be Sith, but Dooku literally laugh's that thought off, and then quickly kicks her ass to make sure she knows that she has a ways to go get there. Then Sidious gives her the assignment of killing Anakin, which she fails when she falls off the edge of a cliff after Anakin's attack on her winds up weakening it. Of course, Sidious's true plan was to simply provide Anakin an opportunity to tap into his dark side.

[Raganork8]

just a quick backstory


Komari Vosa was the apprentice of Dooku before she left the order and started a drug ring that created a hallucinogen hidden in Death Sticks that allowed her to control her victims. She called this gang the "Bando Gora"


Dooku, under the instructions of Sidious, used the hunt for Komari (who was putting Dents in Sidious Scheme) to not only kill Komari ; but, find a suitable donor for the Clone Army. Jango Fett eventually finds Komari and gets captured; with the help of Zam he escapes and Kills Komari; he's then approached by Dooku (using Tyrannus) and convinced to create the Clone Army.


Somehow Assaj gets Komari's Two curved red lightsabers.