MOVIES: The Incredible Hulk [Archive]

kopernikuz

04-23-2003, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Apr 17 2003, 09:34 PM
And Signs was successful because of the director.

Who is incredible by the way. I love the way he paints unbelieveable situations scenes with reality. Anywho...

The director is who should make this movie as well: Ang (Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon) Lee. From the looks of it it won't be the effects that make it.

I think what we will get is what I want... not just some big budget action blockbuster, but a real story of a man's struggle with his animal side... Crouching Tiger had the benefit of being an action masterpeice and a dramatic masterpeice and I think that's what Ang Lee will bring to this. This is why I think I will leave the theater enamored by the storytelling. But I will probably have a sore spot because of the effects. I just think he looks rather cartoony. I thought maybe it was because he was green... but Yoda was green, and he didn't look TOO cartoony.

It'll be tough to pull of effect-wise... but we're gonna get a great story... like the X-men... that's what I think.

Mann

04-27-2003, 07:13 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>That's not true, X-men is definately alot more popular than the Hulk ever was. [/b][/quote]

No, I'm sorry, but more people know what the Hulk is than X-Men. It was the T.V. show.

Mann

04-27-2003, 07:26 PM

Also, the new trailer actually improves my thoughts on the f/x. I mean, these look very good. You don't get much better than this. It probably will get a nomination.

The Hulk
Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
the Matrix Reloaded

Justin

05-04-2003, 10:58 PM

I saw the Hulk trailer with X-Men 2, and the Hulk looks fake. I'm not looking forward to it at all.

Javen

05-04-2003, 11:04 PM

It's funny how people say the Hulk looks fake. Because Spiderman looked fake.The X-Men jet looked fake, things in Star Wars looked fake. I could go on ad on, yet people still went and seen those movies.

To me if they can get across in The Hulk about the struggles he has with himself. Then it will be succesful whether he looks fake or not. But hey, what do I know?

Vibroblade

05-04-2003, 11:17 PM

^ speaks wisely.

People complain that special effects movies worry to much about the quality of the effects. Saying that great effects don't make a movie good. Then, they turn right around and say that bad effects ruin a movie. Seems like a double standard to me.

Mann

05-05-2003, 12:05 AM

the Hulk actually looks good for a Hulk. Th one problem I think I will have is the dogs, which look too cartoony. Then again, if it is based on a comic, why not make them a little cheesy?

Justin

05-05-2003, 12:07 AM

Actually, I think Spider-Man looked pretty good (maybe because he was a guy in a costume whipping around at a zillion miles an hour) and the X-jet looked pretty realistic to me.

The Hulk doesn't look like real, and yeah, I have a problem with that. It's not that I think the effects are bad, and that I'm complaing about that, it's that the Hulk just doesn't look like he actually exists. He's supposed to look real and he doesn't. That kind of ruins it for me.

Gollum looked real. The clones in AOTC looked real. The Hulk looks like a cartoon.

Darth Vegas

05-05-2003, 03:43 AM

I don't think it's possible or important to make a character that looks like the Hulk seem like it could exsist in the real world, still I think this looks pretty damn good:

http://www.galacticsenate.com/uploads/post-19-1051936595.jpg

Just as with Gollum, he doesn't look quiet as realistic when you see him from a distance, but definately very real when he's up close.

As stated before elsewhere, they're not going for Lou Ferrigno's Frankenstien's monster-esque Hulk, they're going for larger-than-life comic book Hulk.

And this, just as X-Men, isn't an effects driven movie, it's character driven, it has a real personnal human story.

Justin

05-05-2003, 02:15 PM

I realize that, but I have trouble identifying with something that is supposed to look real but doesn't.

I'm sure they could have made a convincing Hulk with an animatronic suit or something like that.

Darth Vegas

05-05-2003, 02:21 PM

Who said he was supposed to look real? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif

An animatronic suit would only be used for close-ups and certain scenes where he's not moving so much, they'd still have to go partially cg, and seeing how real the cg model looks close-up, there's no need for a puppet, or a guy in a suit.

Justin

05-05-2003, 02:39 PM

They did the character in CG because they wanted it to look real, because people in the film industry seem to think that CGI makes creatures look real.

The only CGI creatures that I thought really looked real and I never thought about being CGI when I was watching them is the dinosaurs in the first Jurassic Park.

Gollum is the next best of course.

Personally, and I know a lot of people agree with me, I believe that the CGI Hulk looks pretty lame.

Leia

05-05-2003, 06:02 PM

yah

Justin

05-06-2003, 12:34 AM

I understand that some people think it looks all right, and that's ok. Some people think it looks fake and that's ok too. There's no right or wrong opinion about it.

Darth Vegas

05-06-2003, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by Justin@May 5 2003, 09:39 AM
They did the character in CG because they wanted it to look real, because people in the film industry seem to think that CGI makes creatures look real.
No they did the cahracter in CG becuase it was the only plausible way to create a character like that on screen, not because they wanted it to look as real as the other actors on screen.

If they wanted it to look completely real, they could have done it, this is ILM were talking about, not a bunch of novices.

moocat

05-06-2003, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by TK-007@May 6 2003, 05:45 AM
If they wanted it to look completely real, they could have done it, this is ILM were talking about, not a bunch of novices.
Oh please. ILM is good, but they're not perfect.

Darth Vegas

05-06-2003, 03:21 PM

I never said they were, but they are capable of making things look real if they want, obivously this is partially a creative decision.

And to a certain extent the Hulk does look real, especially up close, he even has pores in his skin, properly wrinkled, you people are asking for a whole lot, it takes time to perfect things, this technology is still relatively new.

Mann

05-06-2003, 09:23 PM

this is a comic book movie, it's not supposed to look real. Like Spiderman, it's CGI were not perfected because it feels better as a cartoonish character than as a real one. the Hulk is massive, too big for animatronics. his movements are cartoony, and the CGi in the trailers looks right. Look at the face ^ it's incrediblely well done.

BL-17

05-06-2003, 09:37 PM

The CGI for this movie does look very well done. I've only seen one of the trailers for the movie once and don't know much about it at this point. Does anyone know the basic plot?

Darth Vegas

05-06-2003, 09:55 PM

Not much is really known at this point, other than the story is much more in depth and tragic and human than in the comics, it's more like Jeckyl and Hyde, or Frankenstein.

http://www.thehulk.com (http://www.thehulk.com/index_flash.html)

I suppose they might know more at filmforce.ign.com

Obi-Wan

05-08-2003, 03:51 PM

<span style="color:blue">I saw a long brand new preview of The Hulk and now I'm more excited then ever to see it! This movie is gonna rock! The Hulk looks so real!!! I can't wait for the game!</span>

Mann

05-08-2003, 09:44 PM

Basically, the Hulk has had a different "Hero" story throughout his time. He's seen more as a destroyer and people hunt him down. That's enough of a movie instead of bringing in a villain I think. They probably will, but I won't like it.

Darth Vegas

05-08-2003, 10:22 PM

The only villians are the military, especially the characters played by Sam Elliot, and Josh Lucas.

It's not like the Hulk has a super-villian arch nemesis.

Obi-Wan

05-08-2003, 11:09 PM

<span style="color:darkblue">The Hulk does have a super villian he fights. I'll look at my comic and get his name. I read that the Hulk won't be saying a word in the movie. So there won't be any "Hulk Smash".</span>

Mann

05-08-2003, 11:52 PM

true Obi-Wan, the Hulk does have a super nemisis. He has that big head.

Obi-Wan

05-08-2003, 11:54 PM

<span style="color:darkblue">Okay. I was talking about another dude.</span>

Darth Vegas

05-08-2003, 11:56 PM

I'm fairly certain whoever you're talking about he's not in the movie.

Mann

05-09-2003, 12:00 AM

I hope not. It's better if it's the world vs. the Hulk

Obi-Wan

05-09-2003, 12:02 AM

<span style="color:darkblue">No TK, he's not. I doubt they would bring in one of Hulk's greatest foes into the movie. BTW his name is Emil Blonsky.</span>

Darth Vegas

05-09-2003, 12:03 AM

That's exactly what it is, Mann.

The villians in the movie are the generals played by Sam Elliot and Josh Lucas.

Obi-Wan, I see now that you completely misunderstood me before, I'm well aware that the Hulk fought his fair share of super-villians in the comics.

Mann

05-09-2003, 12:18 AM

I wouldn't say that in the trailer's the generals are villians. They are more like protectors. In the comics they are bad, but right now, it isn't good to be saying the U.S. army is bad.

Darth Vegas

05-09-2003, 12:47 PM

That's not the point at all Mann.

Anymore than it was in X2 with Stryker.

kopernikuz

05-09-2003, 01:00 PM

Emil Blonsky is "THE ABOMINATION"

See him here: http://www.incrediblehulk.com/abomination1.JPG

He would be a great villian in future sequels... but this movie isn't about the action as much as it's about the story... like Xmen. Particularly with Ang Lee in charge. Otherwise, they'd have approached a Michael Bay or James Cameron type. This movie is about a tortured individual whose rage turns him into something he can barely control. A misunderstood monster in the tradition of Frankenstein. The military will seek to destroy it because that's what they do, not because they are evil (at least that's the classic story)... meanwhile we and his girlfriend will seek to understand him and see him cured... like beauty and the beast.

It's a classic story told in only the way Marvel can tell it. And in keeping that telling, Ang Lee was a good choice. Like Crouching Tiger... the action will be there... and it will be awesome... but not at the expense of a great story. So we'll see.

In the trailers it would appear the true villian is his father... Nick Nolte.

Mann

05-09-2003, 05:12 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>That's not the point at all Mann.

Anymore than it was in X2 with Stryker. [/b][/quote]

Stryker was more of a mad scientist than a military guy. I never really saw him as a commander of a large scale operation.

But the Generals in the Hulk are in charge of the masses. And Kop is right, the dad looks like the villain.

Darth Vegas

05-09-2003, 05:46 PM

Mann, Stryker was a Army colonel and a military scientist.

General Thunderbolt Ross and the man he would prefer to wed his daughter, Major Glen Talbot, really are the bad guys. Check out this (http://www.hulkmovie.com/news/9_11.htm) and try going through the articles here (http://www.hulkmovie.com/news/archive/archiveseptember.htm).

Basically, Thunderbolt wants Talbot to marry Betty instead of Bruce, and Talbot pisses Banner off (as seen in the trailer), and the result is that he becomes the Hulk.

Banner's father plays a role on the scientific side of making Bruce the Hulk, but he's not his enemy, not any more than Bruce himself is his own enemy.

Mann

05-09-2003, 08:33 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Banner's father plays a role on the scientific side of making Bruce the Hulk, but he's not his enemy, not any more than Bruce himself is his own enemy. [/b][/quote]

Um, then why does the trailer have his dad sending the Dogs on Jennifer Connelly? It looks like he's interpreted as a villain.

Mann

05-09-2003, 08:49 PM

What's up with Danny Elfman doing all the Superhero movies music?

Mann

05-09-2003, 08:52 PM

New Pic I found

Darth Vegas

05-09-2003, 11:08 PM

I knew those purple pants were gonna show up somewhere! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Originally posted by Mann@May 9 2003, 03:33 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Banner's father plays a role on the scientific side of making Bruce the Hulk, but he's not his enemy, not any more than Bruce himself is his own enemy.

Um, then why does the trailer have his dad sending the Dogs on Jennifer Connelly? It looks like he's interpreted as a villain. [/b][/quote]
Uh, I think the trailer gives you that impression, but it's not necessarily that way in the movie.

If that is the case, then the point of doing that I suppose would be to convince Bruce to go Hulk, as he has people that are trying to kill him.

Not saying that David Banner is a model father, but he's not the guy trying to kill Bruce.

Did you even click the links I gave you? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif

This one might help too, http://filmforce.ign.com/hulk/

Obi-Wan

05-09-2003, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by kopernikuz@May 9 2003, 11:00 AM
Emil Blonsky is "THE ABOMINATION"

See him here: http://www.incrediblehulk.com/abomination1.JPG

He would be a great villian in future sequels... but this movie isn't about the action as much as it's about the story... like Xmen. Particularly with Ang Lee in charge. Otherwise, they'd have approached a Michael Bay or James Cameron type. This movie is about a tortured individual whose rage turns him into something he can barely control. A misunderstood monster in the tradition of Frankenstein. The military will seek to destroy it because that's what they do, not because they are evil (at least that's the classic story)... meanwhile we and his girlfriend will seek to understand him and see him cured... like beauty and the beast.

It's a classic story told in only the way Marvel can tell it. And in keeping that telling, Ang Lee was a good choice. Like Crouching Tiger... the action will be there... and it will be awesome... but not at the expense of a great story. So we'll see.

In the trailers it would appear the true villian is his father... Nick Nolte.
<span style="color:darkblue">That's it Kope! Thanks. Yeah you're right. The first movie needs to deal with him starting as The Hulk then for Hulk II we can see some super-villians!</span>

kopernikuz

05-09-2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Mann@May 9 2003, 06:49 PM
What's up with Danny Elfman doing all the Superhero movies music?
It's because he's the best at it... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Mann

05-09-2003, 11:57 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If that is the case, then the point of doing that I suppose would be to convince Bruce to go Hulk, as he has people that are trying to kill him. [/b][/quote]

Bond,

The guy injected his son with the stuff to make him Hulk. He sends his HulkDogs on his son's wife. He's not a good person. He's evil.

Mann

05-09-2003, 11:58 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>It's because he's the best at it... [/b][/quote]

You're right. He is. Batman, Men in Black Spiderman and now The Hulk. he's the Superhero score master!

Darth Vegas

05-10-2003, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by Mann@May 9 2003, 06:57 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If that is the case, then the point of doing that I suppose would be to convince Bruce to go Hulk, as he has people that are trying to kill him.

Bond,

The guy injected his son with the stuff to make him Hulk. He sends his HulkDogs on his son's wife. He's not a good person. He's evil. [/b][/quote]
Mann, first off it's not his wife (not as if it makes a difference), second, if his boy doesn't become the Hulk, he'll get killed ("My son is unique, and because of that the world will not tollerate his exsistance"), third, it was Bruce's own experiements with the gamma rays that unleash what his father had already done to him (as seen in the trailer, Bruce says it himself, "It was like the gamma rays unleashed something that was already there.").

Whether or not David Banner's a bad father, he's not the villian, he's the scientist, he's sorta Dr. Frankenstein, he's not the mob trying to kill the monster. It's a love/hate sorta relationship, I think.

Mann

05-10-2003, 12:44 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Whether or not David Banner's a bad father, he's not the villian, he's the scientist, he's sorta Dr. Frankenstein, he's not the mob trying to kill the monster. It's a love/hate sorta relationship, I think[/b][/quote]

Oh my god. Did you ever read Frankenstein. It basically details everything that says that Frankenstein was just as bad because he tried to play god. The Monster is the one we feel for. No matter what happens, if you inject your son with some kind of gene enhancing syrum, you are evil. The Gamma rays make him Hulk, but the stuff he injected in him does affect him in some ways. The Gamma stuff was an accident.

Also, the unique line is in reference to him going Hulk.

Darth Vegas

05-10-2003, 12:54 AM

Mann, yes I've read Frankenstein, and I didn't say David Banner, wasn't evil, I said he's not the villian, I'm fairly certain he won't turn out being the real protagonist.

My point is simple, if you've heard rumors of the Hulk having a villain in the movie, the villian is Major Talbot, that has been confirmed.

Mann

05-10-2003, 12:58 AM

Yet, the trailers say otherwise. And maybe talbot is a villain, but the "major" villain is a little extreme. The general seems more likely since he has the army at his command. It even looks like the major is gonna die with his first fight with the Hulk.

Darth Vegas

05-10-2003, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by Mann@May 9 2003, 07:58 PM
Yet, the trailers say otherwise.
Perhaps, but more or less you're assuming that based on cut and pasted footage, you and I don't really know how that's going to play out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And maybe talbot is a villain, but the "major" villain is a little extreme.[/b][/quote]

Well I'm not assuming anything here, I'm just telling you what has been confirmed, this villian that has been going around the rumor mill is Major Talbot, whom Betty Ross's father General Thunderbolt Ross wants to marry his daughter. That's even handeled in the comics.

Whether he dies or not in that confrontation, I don't know, somehow I think the scene with the dogs might be happening simultaneously, so he could get away.

Talbot is Bruce's nemesis in terms of his human side (unless he also goes through some transformation, which I hope not), I would think the General is using Talbot to have an excuse to kill Banner, as stated before the General wants his daughter to marry Talbot, and Talbot of course makes Bruce angry.

I like how they fit in the famous line from the tv show, "You're making me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry."

Mann

05-12-2003, 11:15 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Talbot is Bruce's nemesis in terms of his human side (unless he also goes through some transformation, which I hope not), I would think the General is using Talbot to have an excuse to kill Banner, as stated before the General wants his daughter to marry Talbot, and Talbot of course makes Bruce angry.[/b][/quote]

ok, then why would he send Talbot to find Bruce and make him angry, when he knows there's a good chance Bruce can kill him. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of wanting him to marry his daughter?

Mann

05-14-2003, 08:58 PM

Again, for those who think the CGI is bad, look at this pic. It's a work of art.

http://images.etonline.com/Media/hulk_030430_universal_2.jpg

Darth Vegas

05-14-2003, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Mann@May 12 2003, 06:15 AM
ok, then why would he send Talbot to find Bruce and make him angry, when he knows there's a good chance Bruce can kill him. Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of wanting him to marry his daughter?
I dunno, all I know is that Thunderbolt uses Talbot to get at Bruce somehow, read the articles for yourself.

Mann

05-14-2003, 09:09 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I dunno, all I know is that Thunderbolt uses Talbot to get at Bruce somehow, read the articles for yourself. [/b][/quote]

I did Bond, and it doesn't make much sense.

Darth Vegas

05-14-2003, 09:10 PM

Ok, well wait for the movie then.

Mann

05-14-2003, 09:25 PM

well, then why go and blab about what is goign to happen, then tell me to wait?

Darth Vegas

05-14-2003, 09:35 PM

Hey dude I just told you what I read from the stars of the movie and so forth, you want more info asks the folks making the movie. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

Mann

05-14-2003, 09:46 PM

did you just call me a dud?

FLAMMING!

j/k style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Darth Vegas

05-14-2003, 10:01 PM

Oops I meant dude, but technically that could be flaming too, if you take the literal definition. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

RollaFett

05-18-2003, 02:02 AM

Because of what appears to be revealing plot-lines, I will not read any more of this thread. On occasion, however, I will post this:

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:green">I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS FRIGGIN' MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!</span></span>

Mann

05-18-2003, 01:16 PM

^lol

Same here. This movie looks really good.

RollaFett

05-31-2003, 11:12 PM

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:green">I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS FRIGGIN' MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!</span></span>

Javen

05-31-2003, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by GollaFett@May 31 2003, 09:12 PM
<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:green">I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS FRIGGIN' MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!</span></span>
I know you're are trying to say something. But just what is it?

Mann

06-01-2003, 04:21 PM

any new news?

Jango

06-02-2003, 01:31 PM

not realy

Handothrawn

06-02-2003, 08:43 PM

One of the Hulk's enemies, does make it into the film. If you rent the game and check out the special features they show production photos and animatics, of Ravage.

Mann

06-02-2003, 09:24 PM

cool. Do you have a website where we could find it?

Darth Vegas

06-02-2003, 09:31 PM

Not sure if this is going to be in the movie, but in the official comic book adaptation of the movie, Captain America makes an appearance.

Obi-Wan

06-02-2003, 09:53 PM

<span style="color:darkblue">That is sweet! Ravage is in it?!</span>

Justin

06-03-2003, 12:43 AM

I think it should have been titled "The Incredible Hulk."

Darth Vegas

06-03-2003, 01:12 AM

I think they're planning that for the sequel...

Mann

06-08-2003, 03:39 PM

advanced screening review

they love it, and they say the f/x are great. Very comicbook like,

oh, and to all those who said it was the dad that was the villian, they were right.

click here (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1123219/reviews.php?critic=all&sortby=default&page=1&rid=1160425)

Jedi Killer

06-08-2003, 04:28 PM

the movie is killing the whole comic book movie era we have here.

AND i think that the CGI effects look aweful!

Mann

06-08-2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Killer@Jun 8 2003, 07:28 PM
the movie is killing the whole comic book movie era we have here.

AND i think that the CGI effects look aweful!
they are supposed to be amazing.

P-Ray

06-08-2003, 07:57 PM

I tought the CGI looked a little cartoony at first too. The Hulk looked like Shrek throwing a tank.

However, I saw another trailer for it in front of Bruce Almighty and realized that the CGI actually looked really good. The Hulk was a little darker and had dirt and stuff on him. I thing the movie will look awesome.

Mann

06-08-2003, 08:28 PM

I guess in the article, they say that the film has alot of split screens happening, like the page of a comic book. sounds brilliant.

Handothrawn

06-08-2003, 08:32 PM

Yeah, I think the sequel will be called "The incredible Hulk," mainly because Spidey 2 has been titled "The Amazing Spider-man," an Daredevil 2 has been called "DD: The Man Without Fear."

Mann

06-08-2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Handothrawn@Jun 8 2003, 11:32 PM
Yeah, I think the sequel will be called "The incredible Hulk," mainly because Spidey 2 has been titled "The Amazing Spider-man," an Daredevil 2 has been called "DD: The Man Without Fear."
DD 2 should be called: Yeah the first one sucked, But it's Ben Affleck!

P-Ray

06-08-2003, 08:37 PM

i was just talking to someone the other day about DD. We both thought the movie was good but both of us aren't Ben Affleck fans.

I don't know how he got to be the movie star he is. His acting sucks.

Mann

06-08-2003, 08:42 PM

It's called Good Will Hunting, his only good performance.

and DD was not good. ONly Collin Farrell and Michael Clarke Duncan were good.

P-Ray

06-08-2003, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Mann@Jun 8 2003, 06:42 PM
It's called Good Will Hunting, his only good performance. ONly Collin Farrell and Michael Clarke Duncan were good.
I agree but I also liked Jennifer Garner. However I'm not sure at this point if it was for her performance. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Javen

06-08-2003, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by P-Ray@Jun 8 2003, 05:57 PM
I tought the CGI looked a little cartoony at first too. The Hulk looked like Shrek throwing a tank.

.
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Mann

06-08-2003, 09:48 PM

you can bet the next shrek movie will probably have something like that to promote the film.

P-Ray

06-08-2003, 10:00 PM

I'm a huge Hulk fan too. I just bought and watched the original TV show on DVD which I grew up with. I also collect the comic. So I'm kinda back and forth about the movie because I love the TV show and I heard today that they have actually changed the Hulk's origin for the movie.

That concerns me a little however I did like the changes in the Spiderman movie.

JediJaina

06-11-2003, 02:38 PM

Ouch a tidbit from Techtv news:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Universal Pictures execs are livid that a rough version of "The Hulk" movie has been released on the Web -- just two weeks before the June 20 premiere. Viewers are slamming some of the movie's special effects in posts on Ain't It Cool News.[/b][/quote]

RollaFett

06-11-2003, 10:22 PM

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:green">I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS FRIGGIN' MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"</span></span>

Mann

06-11-2003, 11:37 PM

always nice to see you Golla

Justin

06-12-2003, 12:19 AM

He looks fake, and I think he moves too fast. Or at least he moves like he isn't a huge...well, hulk.

Not that I think he should be lumbering around like Frankenstein's monster, but I think he has a lot of mass, and even if he's really strong, he would move like something with a lot of mass would.

I understand that his strength can make him move quickly, but from what I've seen in the trailers he looks like he's light as a feather.

Mann

06-12-2003, 01:59 PM

he's fueled by his rage, and he's pure muscle. He moves pretty fast in just about every adaptation of the comics.

Darth Vegas

06-12-2003, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Obi-Wan@Jun 2 2003, 04:53 PM
<span style="color:darkblue">That is sweet! Ravage is in it?!</span>
No Ravage isn't in the movie, neither are nay of the other super-villians from the video game.

The video game takes place after the movie, and all of the villians are just being introduced to Banner, Ravage doesn't even exsist yet in the movie.

Mann

06-12-2003, 02:30 PM

I watched HBO's special on Hulk last night, and aparantly the character that wants bruce's Girlfriend isn't a major, he's a co-worker with Bruce. And they said that Nick Nolte and him are the villians.

Darth Vegas

06-12-2003, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Jedi Killer@Jun 8 2003, 11:28 AM
the movie is killing the whole comic book movie era we have here.

AND i think that the CGI effects look aweful!
You're basing that off of early trailers that had unfinished effects shots, look again, check out the final trailer, the Hulk looks awesome.

As for the other comment...Spideyfag and DD were terrible movies, and they didn't ruin this so called "comic book era" you refer to, everyone flocked to see em'.

The simple fact that Ang Lee is directing the movie is enough to say that it will be a VERY good movie, he's just awesome.

Effects is not what makes a movie great anyway.

It will be a very good action/adventure flick, and as a very good monster movie, that's essentially what the Hulk is all about, a classic monster movie.

Mann

06-12-2003, 02:37 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The simple fact that Ang Lee is directing the movie is enough to say that it will be a VERY good movie, he's just awesome.[/b][/quote]

don't countyour chickens. I like his style, but this movie will be his deciding factor. If he pulls it off, I will believe he can do anything.

Darth Vegas

06-12-2003, 03:32 PM

He will pull it off.

P-Ray

06-12-2003, 05:28 PM

ILM is still working on the CGI so everytime I see a new trailer or whatever, the Hulk CGI gets better and better looking.

At first I was afraid it was going to be too cartoony but I think it looks a lot better now.

Mann

06-12-2003, 07:50 PM

Ain't it Cool News Review (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=15411)

says the film is quite good. Visuals are beautiful he says.

P-Ray

06-12-2003, 10:53 PM

I just saw a newer shot of the Hulk tonight on Entertainment Tonight and I thought he looked great. ILM has really made excellent progress.

RollaFett

06-12-2003, 11:40 PM

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:green">I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS FRIGGIN' MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</span></span>

Darth Vegas

06-13-2003, 06:03 PM

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:green">ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</span></span> style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

Javen

06-13-2003, 10:46 PM

I was just at the store and picked up an official Hulk magazine. I swear in the stills of The Hulk he looks like a big huge green Jack Black. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

P-Ray

06-13-2003, 11:25 PM

For those that care about critics, early screenings of the Hulk already seems to be getting good reviews.

Justin

06-14-2003, 07:15 PM

Actually it's just "Hulk" not "The Hulk." Pretty lame if you ask me.

P-Ray

06-16-2003, 10:56 PM

A co-worker of mine saw a sneak preview of Hulk and he said it sucked bad. I hope that's not true. It's getting positive feed back on Aintitcoolnews.com.

I think if I can go in openminded< I'll love it.

JediJaina

06-16-2003, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by TK-007@Jun 12 2003, 02:32 PM
He will pull it off.
I agree. I have liked every movie I have seen so far by him (and I haven't even seen Crouching yet).

Darth Vegas

06-16-2003, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by P-Ray@Jun 16 2003, 05:56 PM
A co-worker of mine saw a sneak preview of Hulk and he said it sucked bad. I hope that's not true. It's getting positive feed back on Aintitcoolnews.com.

I think if I can go in openminded, I'll love it.
To my knowledge, they havn't held any sneak previews.

Mann

06-17-2003, 01:07 AM

I never really like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon that much. It was too quiet sometimes. NOt Ang Lee's fault, just the writers. He did a fantastic director job though. Almost won the OScar.

Hulk will be his break as a HUGE director. He will probably be compared with Akirowsi (Sp?).

Darth Vegas

06-17-2003, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by Mann@Jun 16 2003, 08:07 PM
NOt Ang Lee's fault, just the writers.
Ang Lee was the writer, at least co-writer, I think.

IMO Crouching Tiger was flawless.

Mann

06-17-2003, 01:31 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Ang Lee was the writer, at least co-writer, I think.[/b][/quote]

nope he wasn't. go here (http://us.imdb.com/Credits?0190332)

Darth Vegas

06-17-2003, 01:41 AM

That surprises me, he's had a hand in writing alot of his films.

P-Ray

06-17-2003, 03:18 PM

I just spoke to my friend again and his story is that a director friend let him see a rough director's cut. He also said that he personally didn't like it but that I would. I,ve been a Hulk fan for a very long time, so I'm sure he is right.

Darth Vegas

06-17-2003, 10:09 PM

P-Ray, your friend is probably full of it. I wouldn't believe a word of that if I were you.

P-Ray

06-17-2003, 10:20 PM

He's actually pretty convincing, but I actually hope he is full of it. I think it's the attitude or expectations when you go into it.
I have faith in it.

JediJaina

06-17-2003, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by JediJaina@Jun 11 2003, 01:38 PM
Ouch a tidbit from Techtv news:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Universal Pictures execs are livid that a rough version of "The Hulk" movie has been released on the Web -- just two weeks before the June 20 premiere. Viewers are slamming some of the movie's special effects in posts on Ain't It Cool News. [/b][/quote]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>P-Ray, your friend is probably full of it. I wouldn't believe a word of that if I were you.[/b][/quote]

The news I posted above was in the paper the other day. The workprint was available on the internet so he's probably right that he's seen the rough cut. <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%">(but not the other)</span>

Mann

06-17-2003, 10:31 PM

reviews are in now, most are good.

Javen

06-17-2003, 10:44 PM

I was surprised, but Ebert and Roepert both give two thumbs up.Usually I do not agree with Ebert on movies, although I haven't seen Hulk yet so....I'll form my own opinion.I'm sure it will be good though.

Mann

06-17-2003, 10:48 PM

I heard that:

Nick Nolte is the best performance.

Jennifer Connelly is doing a rethread of A Beautiful Mind (love interest of genius scientist with serious problem, Javen knows what I mean)

Sam Elliot is very much like the character in the comics.

Eric Bana is good, but the Hulk overshadows the role.

Josh Lucas is supposedly the only lack luster performance.

Justin

06-18-2003, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by Mann@Jun 17 2003, 04:07 AM
Hulk will be his break as a HUGE director. He will probably be compared with Akirowsi (Sp?).
I think you mean Kirosawa...?

kopernikuz

06-18-2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Justin+Jun 17 2003, 10:07 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ Jun 17 2003, 10:07 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Jun 17 2003, 04:07 AM
Hulk will be his break as a HUGE director. He will probably be compared with Akirowsi (Sp?).
I think you mean Kirosawa...? [/b][/quote]
Probably actually meant

Akira Kurosawa style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Mann

06-18-2003, 02:27 PM

^bingo

bodhisattva yoda

06-18-2003, 02:49 PM

what does ang lee or the hulk have to do with kurosawa?

and wait. wasn't crouching tiger lee's breakthru directorial effort?

kopernikuz

06-18-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Jun 18 2003, 12:49 PM
what does ang lee or the hulk have to do with kurosawa?

and wait. wasn't crouching tiger lee's breakthru directorial effort?
Actually Lee has been breaking through for a while... let's see:

The Wedding Banquet... nominated Best Foreign Language Film Academy awards
Eat Drink, Man Woman... nominated Best Foreign Language Film Academy awards
Sense and Sensibility... nominated for Best Picture and several other Oscars
The Ice Storm... Golden Palm at Cannes, several other awards and critically acclaimed
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon... nominated for Best Picture AND Best Foreign Language film AND Best Director... Won best FL...

Out of nine movies he's directed... 5 have been nominated for Academy Awards in Best Picture categories... four prior to CTHD even was released. He's a phenomenal director who broke through a while ago... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Which is wild, and I was so shocked to hear he wanted to do The Hulk... it's so NOT his normal style, the whole Hollywood Blockbuster thing... but his record confirms that at least the drama element of The Hulk should be well done...

Jango

06-18-2003, 03:56 PM

kewl

Mann

06-18-2003, 05:45 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Which is wild, and I was so shocked to hear he wanted to do The Hulk... it's so NOT his normal style, the whole Hollywood Blockbuster thing... but his record confirms that at least the drama element of The Hulk should be well done... [/b][/quote]

If you notice in those movies, Ang Lee has no normal style. He says he makes it a mission to do a different movie each time. However, Sense and Sensability was a big motion picture.

I'm not saying he hasn't broke through, but alot of people don't know his name. Like Speilberg and Ridley Scott are synonimous with big movies. Ang Lee will get his name in the public eye with the Hulk. '

However, The Ice Storm did not win the Golden Palm, but won a screenplay award (deservedly).

Javen

06-18-2003, 09:42 PM

At 10:00 p.m.EST tonight , there is a special about the Hulk on the Sci-Fi channel.

Whisper

06-19-2003, 04:25 PM

I saw the Special on Sci Fi...and all I can say is I Am STOKED!

kopernikuz

06-19-2003, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Mann@Jun 18 2003, 03:45 PM
However, The Ice Storm did not win the Golden Palm, but won a screenplay award (deservedly).
Yes, I should have noted... "Nominated"... because it was... but the screenwriting award went to James Schamus... not Lee... and interesting to note, Schamus is a writer on The Hulk too... hrm... a good combo, man...

Anywho... I saw the special last night too... very interesting... Very cool too that the Hulk's virtual performance is based on Ang Lee. He really goes the extra mile for a director in this film... he was working hard to make it right... very neat to watch.

RollaFett

06-20-2003, 12:14 AM

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:green">I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS FRIGGIN' MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</span></span>

Unfortunately, I have to work from 2 to 11pm tomorrow. Dammit, it'll have to wait until Saturday, but no later!

Darth Vegas

06-20-2003, 01:40 AM

I'm going to see it in approximately 2 and 1/2 hours... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif

Obi-Wan

06-20-2003, 03:16 AM

<span style="color:darkblue">I'll be seeing it this weekend for my b-day! Since The Hulk is released on June 20th, which is my b-day! I can't wait!</span>

Darth Vegas

06-20-2003, 07:49 AM

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:green">The Hulk!</span></span> *caution spoilers ahead!*

<span style="color:white">It was like being born, coming up for air, my heart pounding, BOOM! BOOM! And you know what scares me the most? When I can't control it any longer, I like it!

This was a great movie, beyond any expectations, alot of great surprises, I must say they marketed this movie superbly, they didn't let any real details out, once again Ang Lee proves just how good of a director he is, he always does something different, he's so versatile, it's just amazing how different this movie was, and how good it was at that. ILM really pulled it off this time, they never cease to amaze.

This movie didn't have the feeling of your average comic book movie at all, it was emotionally intense, there was mystery, there was real fear and anger in Bruce, it really helped to make the movie more believable.

It starts off a little slow at first, you're learning a little about Bruce's past, it's all setting up the mystery of who he really is, he's lived his entire life with these supressed memories, something very tramatic happened when he was young, and throughout his life he suffered from nightmares about it, this fuels his rage.

The science behind the Hulk in the movie is also made really believable, alot of this had to do with the involvement that Ang Lee's wife (a moleculer biologist) had with the film, and just as real as it was, it had a real Frankenstien quality to it, a real Jeckyll and Hyde quality to it, Bruce Banner was more a creation of his fathers than anything else, and this was played out to perfection in this movie.

I think possibly my very favorite part of this movie was the cameo that Stan Lee and Lou Ferrigno made as security guards, it was just so blantanly obvious, a very cool moment, very humerous, I loved it.

And there's something very new, and possibly revolutionary in this film: at parts it actually plays like a moving comic book, literally, very interesting technique I would love to see utilized in other comic genre films, and definately in the Hulk sequels (part 2, which I hope they call The Incredible Hulk, is supposed to come out in 2005). At first, this visual style seemed really weird, like a mistake, and as it played out more and more in the movie, you really see just how genius it really is, it's well... incredible!

Eric Bana was great, he starts out as a nerd, and then he has the accident with the gamma radiation, and from then on he goes through some real emotional and personality changes (mostly do to the people around him), as for the Hulk, well Ang Lee did a great job in that motion capture suit, and ILM did a great job making him look real, ut I'm not sure I liked them keeping him almost completely silent, there's only one scene where the Hulk talks (it's a dream sequence that happens as the Hulk is falling from 1000's of feet in the air) and it was very cool, Bruce is shaving and the mirror in front of him above the sink is foggy, so he whipes it off with his hand, and his reflection is doing the same thing, only the reflection is Hulk, and the Hulk punches through the window to grab Bruce and says "You puny human!"

I loved Jennifer Connely in this movie, mostly because of her involvement with Bruce, and her father, if not for those relationships, she has nothing to do with the movie at all really, and the relationships feel real, the emotion feels real, it doesn't feel like the cliche romances you normally see in comic book movies (such as in Superman, and in X-men), it seemed realistic, all of this emotional baggage and everything helped to make such an impossible tale seem real.

Nick Nolte was superb in this film, definately played the best part, it was very interesting how he became the villian of the story, and it was a very cool villian (it's like T-1000 meets, uh... the Hulk). There's a great scene with Nolte and the Hulk (the first time Bruce turns into the monster) and it's very emotional and very Frankenstienesque at the same time, one of my favorite scenes in the movie.

The action is top notch, turned up all the way, they did a great job bringing real world physics to life in CG, the way that the Hulk reacts to his enviroment is really realistic, great stuff.

Other than the slow pace of this film for the first half, I don't think that you'll really will not be dissapinted with it at all, it's a great film, visually fantastic, it's emotional, and I sure hope they hurry up on the sequel!</span>

<span style="color:green">Grade: A-</span>

kopernikuz

06-20-2003, 10:05 AM

Okay, I didn't read all of that... because I'm thinking of taking my son... all I need to ask is, if you're here Bond... what adds the 13 to the PG... without giving spoilers if possible?

Darth Vegas

06-20-2003, 10:19 AM

Some really violent images, though no blood, and a scene of trama, involving a fight between Bruces real mother and father, he heard and saw this going on as a young child, because of that I don't recommend that any child under 10 years of age see this movie.

Jedi Killer

06-20-2003, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by TK-007@Jun 19 2003, 11:40 PM
I'm going to see it in approximately 2 and 1/2 hours... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif
did u go at midnight or something?

Darth Vegas

06-20-2003, 10:58 AM

Uhh...yeah.

Jedi Killer

06-20-2003, 11:04 AM

no comment style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Justin

06-20-2003, 05:19 PM

LOL!

I just saw it, and I think it was pretty good. Not great, but not bad. The CGI looks much better in the film than in the trailers, they obviously worked pretty hard to clean it up. However, it looked really fake when the Hulk was running and jumping, and when he threw the tank.

In those scenes he looks light as a feather, and it would have taken a lot more momentum to throw the tank like that. The barrel would have bent when he tried to pick it up anyway. Otherwise the effects were pretty good.

Personally, I think it would have been better to end it when the Hulk meets Betty after escaping from the Hulkbuster base (ok, I'm sure that's not the actual name in the movie, but who cares) and he transforms back into his puny human self.

There would have to have been an epilogue of some kind, but I think that was a good climax to end the movie with. The whole thing with him fighting his father was kind of pointless, and it was hard to see what was happening because it was so dark.

I think people who expect it to be this huge awesome rollercoaster type of event movie will be disappointed, because the movie focuses on the drama that encircles the Hulk. I thought that was all very well done. The scenes that actually featured the Hulk were pretty cool, with a couple teeny tiny exceptions.

On the whole I'd say it was a pretty good movie.

Jedi Killer

06-20-2003, 05:22 PM

Justin--- please indicate in your post if your mentioning any spoilers. Thank you

Justin

06-20-2003, 05:30 PM

Sorry. But the movie is out now, so go see it. Now that it's out, spoilers are only spoilers if you haven't seen it yet.

Jedi Killer

06-20-2003, 05:35 PM

Yes we'll I'm going to see it tonight. I do have a job and can't see it in the afternoons on Fridays. Anyway, that doesn't give you the right to post a spoiler without warning. Spoilers without warning should only be aloud after the movie has been out in the theaters for a while, kinda like Matrix Reloaded.

Thank you for listening

Justin

06-20-2003, 05:40 PM

Actually, the only thing in my post that could be considered a spoiler is that Hulk fights his father. Everything else I mentioned is pretty much in the trailer. But the movie's out now, so it's not really a spoiler unless you haven't gone to see the movie yet.

Rob

06-21-2003, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Justin@Jun 20 2003, 03:30 PM
Sorry. But the movie is out now, so go see it. Now that it's out, spoilers are only spoilers if you haven't seen it yet.
Different people have different schedules and live in different places.

I saw it, loved it. Better than Daredevil IMHO. Great effects, the Hulk was very realistic, his movements were true to the comics (he does jump that far, really!).

Check it out folks, you won't be disappointed in it.

Mann

06-21-2003, 02:04 AM

This movie kicked @$$! I'll review it better tomorrow.

Darth Vegas

06-21-2003, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by Justin@Jun 20 2003, 12:19 PM
The barrel would have bent when he tried to pick it up anyway.
Actually the force of him spinning the tank around would keep that from happening, much like a teeter-tooter (which can break if you slow down and you have two heavy objects at each end, but will swing back and forth if you go faster), he picked it up faster than the force excerted to bend it, thus there was never any strain on the barrel.

Darth Vegas

06-21-2003, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by Rob@Jun 20 2003, 07:46 PM
I saw it, loved it. Better than Daredevil IMHO.
Well that didn't really take much did it? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

Darth Vegas

06-21-2003, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by Justin@Jun 20 2003, 12:19 PM
The whole thing with him fighting his father was kind of pointless, and it was hard to see what was happening because it was so dark.
Gotta disagree with you there Justin, they couldn't just keep you hanging with the knowledge his father was now a super villain, and you can't really have a comic book movie without such a fight, the fight with his father was VERY necessary, it lead the army into a belief that the Hulk was now dead which will go right into the sequel.

Plus as cheesy as it was, I liked the bit of him saying "Your making me angry, you wuldn't like me when I'm angry." En Espanol

Jedi Killer

06-21-2003, 12:01 PM

I really liked the movie. I saw it last night but everyone I was with didnt like it, but they arent into these type of flicks. screw them.

I agree that they shouldnt have not ended it with that fight between Bruce and his father. it made the movie way too long and would have enticed people to see a sequel with his father as the villian. but actors such as nick nolte dont wanna do Hulk 2 so they HAD to kill of him.

if there is a sequel, and I dont think there should be, who will be the villian?

Darth Vegas

06-21-2003, 12:22 PM

First off there will be a sequel, as if the ending wasn't enugh to assure that, apparantly, it's already in the works for a 2005 release, and why shouldn't there be a sequel?

As for villians, Hulk has plenty of em' in the comics, Abomination for one, and of course he still has General Thunderbolt Ross and the military to deal with too.

Jedi Killer

06-21-2003, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by TK-007@Jun 21 2003, 10:22 AM
First off there will be a sequel, as if the ending wasn't enugh to assure that, apparantly, it's already in the works for a 2005 release, and why shouldn't there be a sequel?

You never know if this movie will flop or not and they made it and already figure its gonna make tons. its stupid. not everything should have a sequel. but i guess in the movie industry today and ESPECIALLY with marvel being the sluts they are, they will always do a sequel.

its not like they planned on a sequel when they did the Matrix. deciding on sequels before the first one is released isnt good planning, look at XXX

Darth Vegas

06-21-2003, 12:57 PM

Marvel will do a sequel because people expect it, this is a franchise, it's meant as a series, not a standalone movie.

And yes, planning on the sequel ahead of time has proved to be VERY good business, look at Harry Potter, Star Wars, Superman, The Lord of the Rings, this is no different, we're talking a about a movie based on a comic book here, hundreds of issues to go back through and find the perfect sequel, these movies have a built in audience.

Take Daredevil for example made enough to not only warrant a sequel, but also spin off Elektra movie, Hulk without a doubt will make alot more money than that, both films were made by Marvel, and the comparison ends there.

Jedi Killer

06-21-2003, 01:57 PM

yea but comic book movies are slowly dying and getting old. kinda like reality tv. they were hot at one point but now they are on the decline

Justin

06-21-2003, 02:48 PM

I don't think so. If anything, Superhero movies are becoming more and more popular.

Bond, it looked silly the way he just picked up the tank spun around and threw it, even though he's incredibly (sorry, I couldn't resist) strong, it would take a little more time to build up enough momentum to throw something that weighs several tons, and the barrel would have bent when he picked it up.

One reviewer said that the Hulk looked like a giant green beach ball when he was running and jumping, and I have to agree with him. I said as much when I saw the trailer. Something that massive and heavy would move with a little more weight, even if it is extraordinarily strong.

Darth Vegas

06-21-2003, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Justin@Jun 21 2003, 09:48 AM
Something that massive and heavy would move with a little more weight, even if it is extraordinarily strong.
Can't agree with you there, he's about 2000 pounds of solid muscle, his skin deflects bullets, he almost instantly heals, and every time he gets hurt he just gets stronger and bigger, I agree that the Hulk did seem to just float a bit, but I don't think that's what they were aiming for, and I don't think the spinning tank scene was unrealistic given that the Hulk is a huge muscle.

RollaFett

06-21-2003, 09:05 PM

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:green">I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS....ERR, NEVERMIND, I SAW THIS FRIGGIN' MOVIE AND THOUGHT IT WAS FRIGGIN' AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</span></span>

WOW! If anybody has been paying attention to any of my previous posts in this thread, you damn well know how much I have been anticipating this film. Now, upon seeing it, I must say that it exceeded all of my expectations! This ranks as the best comic book movie ever, along with 'Spider-Man', IMHO. The strange thing is, I never even read the comic, and I read a lot of comics!
The story was terrific! The acting was top-notch! The CGI was out of this world!!!!!!!!! That was the one aspect I had only a little fear about, and those fears were vanquished as soon the Hulk made his first appearance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Justin Posted: Jun 20 2003, 04:19 PM
However, it looked really fake when the Hulk was running and jumping, and when he threw the tank.

In those scenes he looks light as a feather, and it would have taken a lot more momentum to throw the tank like that. The barrel would have bent when he tried to pick it up anyway. [/b][/quote]
Are you kidding me with that type of complaint?! Please remember what type of movie we're talking about here, ok? It's based on a COMIC BOOK!!!!!!! Lighten' up, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The most disturbing thing about this movie, is that I seem to agree with Bond on just about every issue regarding it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

Darth Vegas

06-21-2003, 09:30 PM

Whoa that's freaky huh? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

RollaFett

06-21-2003, 10:05 PM

You're tellin' me?!

P-Ray

06-21-2003, 11:01 PM

I saw Hulk this afternoon and I thought the CGI was awesome. I really like the movie but I'm still getting used to the new story line with Bruce's father.

I grew up watching the TV show plus I watched the cartoons and read the comics. I don't mind when they change origins etc., but I'm still trying to get used to this. I didn't mind when they changed Spidey's webbing that came from his wrist or the changes they made in X-Men,etc. Most changes made sense or were even for the better, but for some reason the story with the Hulk's father isn't sitting right yet. Hopefully that will change when I see it again.

Overall, I thought the movie and the CGI were great.

Vibroblade

06-21-2003, 11:18 PM

I'm feeling better and better about this movie. Golla seems to be of a pretty like mind to me in most things and the chances are good that, if he liked it, I'll like it.

I hope to get the chance to see it this week.

Jango

06-22-2003, 02:20 AM

I went to see it today it was great

RollaFett

06-22-2003, 01:59 PM

Yeah, see it Vibes! You won't regret it! Hell, I'm trying to figure out when I'll see it again! Man, what a great flick!

P-Ray- Forgive my ignorance, but you seem to be famaliar with the comic, and I am not. I used to collect a ton of comics in my younger years, but 'The Incredible Hulk' was not one of them. How do the origins differ from comic to movie?

P-Ray

06-22-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by GollaFett@Jun 22 2003, 11:59 AM
Yeah, see it Vibes! You won't regret it! Hell, I'm trying to figure out when I'll see it again! Man, what a great flick!

P-Ray- Forgive my ignorance, but you seem to be famaliar with the comic, and I am not. I used to collect a ton of comics in my younger years, but 'The Incredible Hulk' was not one of them. How do the origins differ from comic to movie?
In the comics, Bruce's father was abusive but he never conducted experiments on himself that were passed down to Bruce. Bruce was just bombarded with Gamma radiation that transformed him. The abuse of his father is where the hidden rage was from(It's been a long time but that's what I remember). This movie pretty much makes Bruce a mutant.
Also, Bruce's father wasn't the Absorbing Man in the comics. Stuff like this didn't bother me in the other comic movies. I think I'll slowly get over it. They probably just wanted to revamp his origin. And obviously, the comic and cartoon Hulk is completely different than the TV Hulk.

Overall I loved the movie and I thought the CGI looked great.

RollaFett

06-22-2003, 06:03 PM

Absorbing Man! Yeah, I knew that I knew who he was supposed to be. It's tough recognizing the villians when you've never read the comic. Thanks for the origin info, very helpful!
If you don't mind, could you tell about some other Hulk enemies, perhaps who you think may make apperances in future films?

P-Ray

06-22-2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by GollaFett@Jun 22 2003, 04:03 PM
Absorbing Man! Yeah, I knew that I knew who he was supposed to be. It's tough recognizing the villians when you've never read the comic. Thanks for the origin info, very helpful!
If you don't mind, could you tell about some other Hulk enemies, perhaps who you think may make apperances in future films?
The Abomination and the leader are the Hulk's main two villians. There's also a cool character in the Hulk comics called Doc Samson. He is not a villian. He has green hair incredible strength and is actually a Psycologist and tries to help the Hulk.

I actually read an article that they are already writing the script fo Hulk 2 that might feature any of those 2 villians ar well as possibly the grey Hulk. When the Hulk was first developed he was actually grey and was changed to green. Cool idea for a villian.

I just spoke to a friend and we talked about how there isn't much writer's can do as far as story line for a rampaging Hulk. So I'm starting to accept the new storyline with the Hulk's father because they are trying to give us an actual story which I now understand.
So as time goes on, I'm actually liking Hulk more and more.

I,ve always loved all the scenes with the Hulk. I thought they were great. I thought the actor that plays Bruce Banner was really good. I'm actually looking foward to seeing it again.

mtilden

06-22-2003, 11:00 PM

I liked it up until the fight with his father... what on earth happened with that? I honestly don't have the slightest clue what on earth happened in that scene, it made no sense. Amazingly, I think that the ending made even less sense than Tim Burton's version of Planet of the Apes I can't see how they can possibly make a sequel to this, they really painted themselves into a corner. Probably would have been better to end the movie when he de-Hulked in dowtown San Fran....

Justin

06-22-2003, 11:46 PM

I said that exact same thing.

Darth Vegas

06-23-2003, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by mtilden@Jun 22 2003, 06:00 PM
I liked it up until the fight with his father... what on earth happened with that? I honestly don't have the slightest clue what on earth happened in that scene, it made no sense.
The movie was set up for that confrontation, from the beginning we see the David Banner meant to turn himself into Hulk, but it passed on to his son, when David comes back we see that he tries to kill Betty, takes some of his sons dna and turns himself into a monster, and at that point there had to be a fight between father and son, listedn to the dialogue in those scenes with David and Betty, he's talking about wnating to see his son, wanting his power etc etc, when we get to the fight, David manages to steal Bruces power, and he fails, of course the army thinking a gamma bomb would kill the two of them loses out too, as the gamma bomb does nothing more than give Bruce his power back.

I won't say the scene wasn't at least a little confusing, but it had to happen, the movie set it self up for it, and the ending is set up perfectly for a sequel where Bruce is thought to be dead, he's gone into hiding, as he did in the TV series.

Darth Vegas

06-23-2003, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by P-Ray@Jun 22 2003, 01:48 PM
I actually read an article that they are already writing the script fo Hulk 2 that might feature any of those 2 villians ar well as possibly the grey Hulk. When the Hulk was first developed he was actually grey and was changed to green. Cool idea for a villian.
That's good news, I'd love to see Grey Hulk, of course the reason they changed him to green was because gray didn't show to well on the old news print. I figured they were writing the script by now, they do want a 2005 release afterall....

Darth Vegas

06-23-2003, 03:46 AM

Hulk smashes to the box office top spot with an incredible 62+ million! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

mtilden

06-23-2003, 01:20 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The movie was set up for that confrontation, from the beginning we see the David Banner meant to turn himself into Hulk, but it passed on to his son, when David comes back we see that he tries to kill Betty, takes some of his sons dna and turns himself into a monster, and at that point there had to be a fight between father and son, listedn to the dialogue in those scenes with David and Betty, he's talking about wnating to see his son, wanting his power etc etc, when we get to the fight, David manages to steal Bruces power, and he fails, of course the army thinking a gamma bomb would kill the two of them loses out too, as the gamma bomb does nothing more than give Bruce his power back.

I won't say the scene wasn't at least a little confusing, but it had to happen, the movie set it self up for it, and the ending is set up perfectly for a sequel where Bruce is thought to be dead, he's gone into hiding, as he did in the TV series. [/b][/quote]

Well, I agree that the way the movie was written, there did need to be a final showdown with his father, but I think that turning his father into a supervillian was a bad idea. I would have editied that whole subplot out of the movie, and ended with his father being taken away by General Ross and imprisioned for good, and the film ending with Bruce Banner and Betty embracing on the street of San Fran after he de-Hulked. I just didn't like that whole sub-plot at all. Overall, I noticed many movie critics saying the same thing, that the last sequence seemed unnecessary, some even claiming that the ending ruined the whole movie. I am not sure that I would take it quite that far, but I am not sure that the ending really worked. However, even if it didn't really work, I give credit to Ang Lee for at least taking a chance, and trying to do something radically different from what you expect. Overall, I think I liked it more than I disliked it, but it has some serious flaws, but very interesting and intriguing nevertheless. (Maybe it might even be the flaws that make it so interesting in the first place.)

Mann

06-23-2003, 03:17 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Amazingly, I think that the ending made even less sense than Tim Burton's version of Planet of the Apes[/b][/quote]

amazing, Burton's ending matched the book's ending closer than the original's. The rest was bad, but the ending was alot more of a sequel set up film.

Hulk's ending was alright. The confrontation had to happen in this movie because trying to strech the whole conflcit over two movies would turn people off. how they set up the film, Banner's dad was the villian and villians have to die or be vanquished.

Handothrawn

06-23-2003, 07:12 PM

I'm just glad that it didn't end with Bruce doing the sad hitchiker thing like they did on the show.

mtilden

06-23-2003, 07:13 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm just glad that it didn't end with Bruce doing the sad hitchiker thing like they did on the show. [/b][/quote]

I love that ending! Especially with the sad music playing, very moving.

Frendon

06-24-2003, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by mtilden@Jun 23 2003, 11:20 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The movie was set up for that confrontation, from the beginning we see the David Banner meant to turn himself into Hulk, but it passed on to his son, when David comes back we see that he tries to kill Betty, takes some of his sons dna and turns himself into a monster, and at that point there had to be a fight between father and son, listedn to the dialogue in those scenes with David and Betty, he's talking about wnating to see his son, wanting his power etc etc, when we get to the fight, David manages to steal Bruces power, and he fails, of course the army thinking a gamma bomb would kill the two of them loses out too, as the gamma bomb does nothing more than give Bruce his power back.

I won't say the scene wasn't at least a little confusing, but it had to happen, the movie set it self up for it, and the ending is set up perfectly for a sequel where Bruce is thought to be dead, he's gone into hiding, as he did in the TV series.

Well, I agree that the way the movie was written, there did need to be a final showdown with his father, but I think that turning his father into a supervillian was a bad idea. I would have editied that whole subplot out of the movie, and ended with his father being taken away by General Ross and imprisioned for good, and the film ending with Bruce Banner and Betty embracing on the street of San Fran after he de-Hulked. I just didn't like that whole sub-plot at all. Overall, I noticed many movie critics saying the same thing, that the last sequence seemed unnecessary, some even claiming that the ending ruined the whole movie. I am not sure that I would take it quite that far, but I am not sure that the ending really worked. However, even if it didn't really work, I give credit to Ang Lee for at least taking a chance, and trying to do something radically different from what you expect. Overall, I think I liked it more than I disliked it, but it has some serious flaws, but very interesting and intriguing nevertheless. (Maybe it might even be the flaws that make it so interesting in the first place.) [/b][/quote]
I completely agree.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm just glad that it didn't end with Bruce doing the sad hitchiker thing like they did on the show.[/b][/quote]
I would have loved that!! It would've being a lot better than "Me esta enojando" anyway. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

mtilden

06-24-2003, 12:16 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I would have loved that!! It would've being a lot better than "Me esta enojando" anyway[/b][/quote]

I was actually a little disappointed that the 'you won't like me when I'm angry' line was edited out of the confrontation scene with Talbot at his home. In the advertisements and trailer, they showed Talbot on top of him saying 'your'e making me angry, you won't like me when I'm angry' but the last part wasn't in the film..... It is a great line (coming from the tv series) and I was happy it was in there, I just think that it would have been better elsewhere. I know that it is a minor complaint but....

RollaFett

06-24-2003, 11:09 PM

I still say that this movie kicked ass!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>TK-007 Posted: Apr 17 2003, 10:25 PM
And second, no there are much better films coming out, don't expect this to be a top contender at the box office, people aren't really all that hyped about it.[/b][/quote]
Hmmm.......
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>TK-007 Posted on Jun 23 2003, 02:46 AM
Hulk smashes to the box office top spot with an incredible 62+ million! [/b][/quote]
I still don't understand why you doubted the hit power of this film to begin with. Not slamming you, by the way, just confused.

Darth Vegas

06-25-2003, 06:37 AM

Oh different reasons, most of the people I was hanging around with weren't really interested in seeing it, I wasn't impressed to begin with the CG, the trailers didn't make me want to see the film, finally I read part of the script and some script reviews and some interviews with the cast and crew, and it sounded really good, and some new photos were released and so forth, but to begin with I really doubted Hulk would be this good, as I said in my review, totally unexpected, I expected it to be alot better than Spiderfag or Daredevil, but I didn't think it would be as good as it was.

Thank god I was wrong. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Handothrawn

06-25-2003, 02:09 PM

There wasn't a single 'Hulk Smash', that sucked.

Justin

06-25-2003, 07:15 PM

Yeah, lol. But at least he said "puny human."

mtilden

06-25-2003, 09:50 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>There wasn't a single 'Hulk Smash', that sucked. [/b][/quote]

I thought that I wanted to hear that, but when I saw the movie, I realized that "Hulk Smash" is rather corny, too "Saturday Morning Cartoon" and not really appropriate for the kind of film that this movie was trying to be. "Me Hulk! Me smash!"...no, probably better off without it.

Mann

06-26-2003, 02:25 AM

Originally posted by Handothrawn@Jun 25 2003, 05:09 PM
There wasn't a single 'Hulk Smash', that sucked.
i'm glad the Hulk never spoke. It makes him less of a man and more of a creature inside of Bruce.

The dream sequence was great.

Darth Vegas

06-26-2003, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by Justin@Jun 25 2003, 02:15 PM
Yeah, lol. But at least he said "puny human."
Yes, that was one of my favorite scenes.

Mann, you gonna post your review already?

Blizzard

06-27-2003, 01:07 AM

Have you seen this, yet?

Justin

06-27-2003, 01:09 AM

lol, that's awesome.

bodhisattva yoda

06-27-2003, 01:18 AM

when hulk smashes the ground and cracks the pavements and sends all the cars flying... that wasn't a hulk smash?

Marbleman

06-27-2003, 01:41 AM

i finally saw the movie! it lived up to the hype. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

i wouldve reduced the length of the beginning. i know it was setting up the excellence to come, but i think the movie had some uneceessary fluff like showing all the experimenting on the animals (frogs, rats, etc.).

all in all fast paced and a heavy hit. it was much more emotionally appealing than daredevil, xmen 2, or spiderman. btw, i think the ending battle was fantastic, and david banners quick alterations put hulks power to the test. and everyone i was with jumped at the "puny human" dream scene except me, since i knew it was coming. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif cant wait till hulk 2.

CzulkangLah

06-29-2003, 07:55 PM

I actually didn't like it all that much. Just kinda lame.
It seemed kinda like a.............
Wounded bird...
...Decapitated frog...
...Elephant But Hair...
.............. Yea, something like that.

Mann

06-30-2003, 12:01 PM

good god, Hulk dropped 70 percent this weekend! It's not going to touch 200 million.

Darth Vegas

06-30-2003, 01:03 PM

Yeah it will, in the long run, may take a little while.

Mann

06-30-2003, 01:26 PM

with a loss of 70 percent of the audience? I think not.

Vibroblade

06-30-2003, 02:04 PM

Yea, Mann's right. 200 million is very unlikely, especially with T3 here this week to steal more of the core audience. The most likely figure is around 150 domestic.

I loved the movie. As others have said, my only complaints was the beginning, ( It could have, and should have been shorted by at least 15 minutes ) and the ending which was a bit confusing. Still, I was very pleasantly surprised by the CG. This was probably the single hardest CG character ever created and it stood up well. Is it as good as Gollum? Probably not, but considering how much more difficult it is to create a 15 foot green monster that looks "real", I would consider it as an equally impressive achievement. Overall story was good and acting excellent. I just hope it makes enough to get a sequel. That has the potential to be a great movie now that all the introduction is out of the way.

Darth Vegas

06-30-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Mann@Jun 30 2003, 08:26 AM
with a loss of 70 percent of the audience? I think not.
It's isn't dropping like that steadily, I think it'll pass that mark, no doubts there, it's not even released worldwide yet.

Mann

06-30-2003, 04:31 PM

I'm talking domestic gross. Worldwide is definatley 200 million (especially in China style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif ) but Domestically, Vibroblade does Mention T3, which will, for lack of a better word TERMINATE all others in competition.

RollaFett

06-30-2003, 11:57 PM

Yeah, even I agree that the $200 million mark will be damned hard to reach. That said, it took 'Daredevil' nearly 2 and a half months to reach $100 million, so I'm not dissapointed at all. I predict a finish around $155-$160 million, which is certainly good enough to spawn a sequel.

Javen

07-01-2003, 09:38 AM

Finally saw Hulk.I wasn't impressed at all.I even saw Finding Nemo in the same day, and it was better than Hulk, it actually entertained me.

Although, the scene where he fights the dogs was cool.When he grabs the rocket, then bites the tip off and spits it at the helicopter was funny.But overall the movie did nothing but waste my money.Should have waited for it on video.

2 more days and Hulk will be allbut forgotten anyway.

mtilden

07-01-2003, 11:22 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Yea, Mann's right. 200 million is very unlikely, especially with T3 here this week to steal more of the core audience. The most likely figure is around 150 domestic.
[/b][/quote]

Well, the biggest problem is that, Universal greatly over-estimated the potential audience for The Hulk. They apparently thought that this was going to be a huge blockbuster, they were hoping for BO as big as Spider-Man or Star Wars, but there was never any serious chance of that happening. The Hulk is indeed a very well known character, but he has never been a very popular one, even among Marvel comic readers. The Hulk has never really been a huge hit for Marvel. Neither the comic, nor the television program, nor any of the cartoons, based on this character have ever been big smash hits. The comic book in particular has had many ups and downs over the years, there have been long stretches where the comic was just plain terrible, and there have been many times when Hulk comic sales have been so low that Marvel came close to cancelling it, and it seemed like the only reason that it was still in print is because they were just kind of expected to publish a Hulk comic. The Hulk is not a huge, iconic mainstream character like Spider-Man, he doesn't have a huge mainstream following. The Hulk has more of a cult following like Blade or The Black Panther. Universal should never have tried to make this a huge mainstream blockbuster, and shouldn't have released it at such a compettitive time of year. Instead of June, they should have pushed it back to August, when there are fewer 'big' movies running. The movie will finish around the $130-140 million which is pretty good, but it seem like a failure, because Universal had the unreasonable expectation that it would make in the $250-$300 million range. They should have shot for Daredevil/Blade numbers, instead of Spider-Man numbers....

Darth Vegas

07-01-2003, 12:22 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Hulk is Marvel's third highest selling property, behind Spiderman and X-men, he's very much an iconic figure, maybe not as popular as Spiderman but he's very well known.

I suppose it is hard to imagine Hulk getting more than 150 million domestic gross, but that's not bad, that's all X-2 has, Spiderman was alot more kid-oriented, that's why it made so much money.

Mann

07-01-2003, 12:45 PM

If I'm not mistaken, I was always under the assumptionthat more people knowabout the Hulk, than know about X-Men. X-Men became more popular withthe second film.

I think all comics are basically cult followings. The reason I think Hulk was overestimated was that it became a bigger cult following because of the success of the T.V. show. that's what the studio was banking on. Seeing as how they believed the film would be the higgest grossing film of the year, it's pretty sad that it fell short. It's successful, but not to the extreme the people thought it would be.

140 million tops I say, unless next weekend it get another 18 million.

mtilden

07-01-2003, 01:33 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If I'm not mistaken, Hulk is Marvel's third highest selling property, behind Spiderman and X-men,[/b][/quote]

Maybe today, but the history of the Hulk has been spotty at best, which is why he has gone through so many different incarnations, they have changed the characters of the Hulk and Banner so dramatically over the years. They have also changed the way that Banner transforms into the Hulk, first it happened at sundown, then it happened when Banner got angry, then he had control over the process completely, I don't even know how it happens today, but the reason why they have kept changing everything around is because they have had a hard time finding a version that the readers liked....

kopernikuz

07-01-2003, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by mtilden@Jul 1 2003, 11:33 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>If I'm not mistaken, Hulk is Marvel's third highest selling property, behind Spiderman and X-men,

Maybe today, but the history of the Hulk has been spotty at best, which is why he has gone through so many different incarnations, they have changed the characters of the Hulk and Banner so dramatically over the years. They have also changed the way that Banner transforms into the Hulk, first it happened at sundown, then it happened when Banner got angry, then he had control over the process completely, I don't even know how it happens today, but the reason why they have kept changing everything around is because they have had a hard time finding a version that the readers liked.... [/b][/quote]
I kind of disagree... the Hulk has been and remains a very big character for Marvel... fueled even more by the TV show, which WAS successful to a point... That show is a classic and spawned several TV movies, whereas the old Spiderman live-action show was a dismal dissapointment. I know several people who have never picked up a comic in their life, but remember the classic line "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry..." because of the success of that show. But expecting this movie to do well was not wrong because the Hulk is not well-known...

Part of the problem IS the success of the show. An actual conversation I had with someone:

Me: I can't wait for the Hulk movie, I just watched the Scifi special last night
Friend: Was it good?
Woman: I don't think I want to see that... I mean, what's with the Hulk in it?
Me: What do you mean?
Woman: He's so big... I mean he's like three times as big as the people... what happened to the guy?
Friend: Lou Ferrigno
Woman: Yeah him...

Next part is just me explaining to her that the comic book Hulk and the TV show Hulk were very different. The movie (like the show) is based on the comic book... whereas the movie will be closer to the spirit of the comic than the show did.

In summary... this woman and several others I conversed with that day... never even read the comics... but remember the show.

The Hulk is popular... and successful... but he is so in various ways. Spiderman and X-men have really only one major incarnation to contend with... their comic selves... (which have changed and adapted over time, yes... but it's still the comics that are the centerpeice... less so the animated shows... or even less so the crappy Spiderman live action show).

The Hulk movie is not suffering because the Hulk is not a popular character... quite the opposite. He IS a popular character... but there are two popular versions of him... the movie is more faithful to the comic... (of which I myself am glad).

There are three sets of Hulk fans (basically)...

1. Love the comic
2. Love the comic and the show
3. Love the show

The movie trailers do NOT appeal to the third group. While many of the third group went, it was not the Hulk they knew.... and therefore a little hard to bear.

Another thing that hurt this movie... it had character drama. It had a plot too... but so did X-men... no this movie had character drama. It was A Beautiful Mind meets Frankenstein meets Dr.Jekyll meets Kick-ass Summer movie. It had 50% Beautiful Mind and 50% Kick-ass Summer movie, though the percentages may vary based on your own experience. Regardless... Spider-Man had LESS drama... it was mostly kick-ass summer movie. The percentages were much heavier on one side. The summer is good for those kinds of films.

To be honest... The Hulk was exactly as I expected it to be from Ang Lee... great action, great drama. I would expect it to be quite different from Sam Raimi... or Tim Burton for that matter... this was Ang Lee's Hulk... it met some expectations... but not everyone's.

mtilden

07-01-2003, 06:12 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>But expecting this movie to do well was not wrong because the Hulk is not well-known...

[/b][/quote]

I never said that he wasn't well known, I conceded that he was well known, but I said that he has never been a big, smash mainstream hit like Spider-Man. And even the people who do know who he is, don't know much about him, beyond the fact that he is big and green, and that it is getting angry that makes him come out. The live action series was a modest success, but I don't believe that it was ever a top 10 show, it was more of a cult favorite. The Spider-Man live action series may not have been successful, but he has been in several succesful cartoon series, first in 1966, then in 1981, 1994 and now again in 2003. The Hulk has been tried as a cartoon, but it has never been successful at it. No fewer than 3 Hulk cartoon series have flopped, one in 1966, another in 1982, and yet another in 1996. And the comic, has been close to cancellation several times, in fact, it has been cancelled before, and the character took a while to find an audience. The Incredible Hulk volume 1 lasted all of 6 issues before it was finally cancelled, and then he went unpublished for 7 years, showing up only as a guest in other comics from 1962-1969 when he finally got his own title. He had to be nurtured and promoted until he found an audience. The Hulk is more like Daredevil than Spider-Man in this regard. Spider-Man was a hit from day one, but Daredevil didn't become a big seller until Frank Miller took over in 1979. If The Hulk is having some success today, that is great, but if history is any guide, it is only a matter of time before his sales start to slip, probably when they hire a new head writer.