"No Disintegrations"

[YodaJeff]

This is just my speculation on why Vader gives Boba Fett the "No disintegrations" line.

By the end of AOTC, Boba Fett has a grudge against Mace Windu. Perhaps Boba Fett is the one to eventually kill Mace in Episode 3 (we all know that he has to die). My speculation is that Mace learns the "disappearing dead Jedi" trick. Therefore, when Boba kills Mace, it looks as though Mace disintegrated. Anakin (Vader) sees this, and since he doesn't know the "disappearing dead Jedi" trick, he thinks that Boba Fett vaporized Mace.

What do you think of this theory? It's not the best, but I've heard worse...

[Powerful Jedi]

More than likely Boba will have a grudge against Mace Windu, altho it isn't actually show this in AOTC (I know cos I watched it last nite - U can read my small review in the Prequels (Spoilers) forum). So the fact that Boba will have a grudge is only pure speculation.

I thing alot of the fans look to far into things suck as the "no disintegrations" thing. I think basically, Vader is saying "I want them alive, not dead"!

[BL-17]

It's safe to say that Boba Fett would have a grudge against Mace Windu, but it's also probable that he hates all the Jedi. He holds them all responsible for the death of his father.

As for the "no disintegrations" part. Basically it does mean that Vader wants the merchandise alive. There was a certain Commander in the Imperial Navy who defected. A bounty was put on him, and who was there first? The one and only, Boba Fett. Somewhere along the line, things got really messed up. Boba Fett ended up blasting the former Commander into dust particles. When Fett brought the remains back to the Empire, they weren't going to pay up. The Emperor wanted the Commander alive for, eh... certain reasons(Torture, humiliation, etc.). This made Boba Fett upset. Since Vader did, as a matter of fact, take a slight liking to the bounty hunter, the Empire ended up paying the full reward.

[JediLight]

I like all the ideas put here. They all make sense, and would add a great touch to the SW Saga.

I recall hearing some idea on the old JN Council years ago that Fett might accidentally zap Vader with his disintegrating advice, and as a result Vader wouldn't let him do it later. But that idea makes no sense whatsoever. Vader obviously LIKES Fett.

I've read the AOTC novel, so the thing about Boba and his father would make perfect sense for Fett to want to go after Jedi. Perhaps he even helps in the purges, and maybe that's why Vader likes him?

I think, however, the best idea out of the bunch, is the backstory idea with Vader and the "former commander." That sounds like something that could've actually happened, and Fett probably got the business end of some lightning or a Force choke, so all he'd need is a reminder like "No disintegrations."

[Jango77]

I reckon that Boba (in between Ep 2 & 3) has returned to Kamino and undergone Clonetrooper growth acceleration to make him now 20 yrs old. He has been refining his Bounty Hunter skills and in some act of revenge will disintergrate Mace.

Personally I think this should be some weapon designed to destroy the Jedi Temple and Mace is one of the remaining Jedi on Coruscant before the Emperor takes complete control...

What do you think?

[Isomorph]

George Lucas has stated that Boba Fett's apperance in EP3 will be limited he will only be 12 or 13 years old and to small to wear his father outfit,as for him killing Mace Windu thats wishful thinking,more than likely Anakin will be the one to do the deed of killing Mace, or Sidious.

[DblDwn]

From a speculative point of view I would like it if Mace was killed by Boba somehow and disappeared upon his death. Since Anakin/Vader knows nothing of this being possible then he would believe Mace to have been disintegrated.

I wonder then if Mace would show up at the end of ROTJ with Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Anakin?

[Darth Badly]

Originally posted by DblDwn@Oct 30 2002, 06:08 PM
I wonder then if Mace would show up at the end of ROTJ with Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Anakin?


Other people have wondered if Padme will be added to this line up! Oh Lordy! At this rate it'll be a whole bloody chorus line!!!

[Tovor]

Oh yeah! And then as Luke watches they can all throw their legs up in dance with arms around each other and do the Can-Can!

[Justin]

LOL

[Justin]

Oh, one more thing. I honestly hope Boba Fett doesn't kill Mace Windu, because I'd reather see him go out in a blaze of glory in a lightsaber battle.

[QuigonWindu]

Yo dogs I don't think there's any mystery or hidden history.
He just wants Han and Leia alive so he can use them as a trap for Luke.Out

[Javen]

Thats true, because the carbonite was actually for Luke but was only tested on Han to see if it would work.

[Lara]

I agree with QuigonWindu, he just wants them alive to use as bait.

[Darth Vegas]

If that was the case, then Vader would have said: I want them alive, not dead.

He put emphasis on his voice when he said, "NO disentegrations!"

He also said it right in Boba's face.

Vader would not have said that, unless he had witnessed Boba doing so.

[Jedi D'oh]

At that point, Boba just had the reputation. That's what made him an enigmatic character. That could all change now, though.

Plus Vader did say: I want them alive. No disentegrations.

I think you were saying Bond, that dead or alive was ok. Just wanting to clarify your statement, that's all.

[Darth Vegas]

What I was saying, is that if Vader was just wanting them alive and not dead, he would have said just that, instead of saying no disentegrations.

Obviously, Boba had to have disenetegrated somebody, in Vader's sight.

[DblDwn]

I was thinking about the point made earlier about how perhaps Mace vanishes upon his death and Vader believes him to have been disintegrated because he (Vader/Anakin) would not know about the ability to become one with the Force once the living life stops.

My problem is that if at that point he had only seen Mace vanish I could believe it but at the point in ESB when he tells Boba this line he had also seen Obi-Wan vanish on the Death Star in ANH when he (Vader) killed him (Obi-Wan).

[Jedi D'oh]

That's what I mean about Fett just being a bad ass in the movie ESB. It was a reputation thing.

[DblDwn]

That becomes more and more understandable the more I think about it that that line does not need to be explained in the movie.

[Jedi D'oh]

I don't think it needs to be at all. It was just a line establishing how cool Boba was. Just because we don't see what happens in between doesn't mean time stops.
Vader and Fett could have had dealings at some point and a bounty wanted by the Empire was disentegrated by Fett, hence the line. These prequels do not need to every line from the OT expanded upon and referenced.

[Darth Vegas]

I don't think it needs to be explained either, but they may decide to have Boba deliver the final blow to Mace, and he disentegrates him.

It's not only a possibility, it would be prudent, since Mace killed Boba's father as he watched in horror.

[Darth Vegas]

But no, it does not need to happen.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by DblDwn@Nov 6 2002, 01:43 PM
My problem is that if at that point he had only seen Mace vanish I could believe it but at the point in ESB when he tells Boba this line he had also seen Obi-Wan vanish on the Death Star in ANH when he (Vader) killed him (Obi-Wan).
I think that when Obi-Wan vanished on the Death Star, that was the first time that Vader had seen anyone vanish. He seemed awfully puzzled. Otherwise, why would he have spent time poking his boot into Obi-Wan's robe as it lay on the floor.

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

I agree, Vader was more or less shocked by Obi-wans vanishing act. I would tend to think that Mace will not be aware or, or capable of this in Episode III. Yoda stumbled apon it, and I think Qui-gon will emerge in III with a bit of "enlightenment", passing it to Yoda and Obi. Perhaps Mace will have been killed by this point.

[Jedi D'oh]

Since Lucas has called the Jedi Disappearing Trick a major plot point for III, I think it is Qui-gon who will elighten Yoda and Obi about this.