Legacy of the Force -Inferno (Dont forget spoiler tags)

[TuskenRaider1]

Well, just finished Inferno, and felt....a little on edge. A good action paced novel with some good movement forward, setting up some great stuff for Fury. Feel free to discuss, but for those who arent done yet

DONT FORGET SPOILER TAGS

Ok, just wanted to say it. I have to say though, I like Tarfang now more than before, regardless of whatever actions he has. Thats one fiesty little ewok!

[JackBauer24]

Tarfang's in it? Aw, thanks for spoiling it, TR!

[TuskenRaider1]

Yeah yeah yeah, he's in the DP on the first page. Sorry...

[JackBauer24]

:P

[DarthSolo]

It's finally sunk in. Jacen Solo, my favorite character, I finally realize, has completely changed. It didn't hit me until the events of the prologue and the first few chapters. I'm really quite saddened by it. No longer is it a dark adventure for the young man. He's scarred forever, no matter what happens. More detail in the spoiler tags...

I was so excited to see another of my favorite characters in the DP: Tahiri Veila. But when she made her first appearance in the prologue, flow walking to Anakin Solo's death under the guidance of Jacen/Caedus, that was the first smack in the face for me. Jacen is just plain manipulating her, making her a pawn. A former friend, now he cares nothing for. And he's also desecrating the memory of his fallen brother. The other thing that just hit me in the face was the fact that he'd use Mara's funeral as a political stunt, as well as risk disrupting it by making a pathetic attempt to arrest his parents. There is no reason he should still be going after them, btw. Sigh. I really do hope they redeem Jacen, but it's finally hit me that this is a really serious thing.

[TuskenRaider1]

See this is what Im thinking...

Jacen is beyond redemption. Luke or Ben will take him down. I actually think he may not be the one that is in it til the end, but that the other sith step more into the light. Its obvious Krayt is already working them. Should be fun to see how it all goes down. This book actually made me feel better about LOTF

Im actually excited now...

[Luvinna]

After a lengthy conversation with Arica today, I think I have most of the highlights of what happens in the book. I'm still not sure I'm going to pick it up though. While I am withholding judgement on Ben, if I have to read 4 more books of them almost killing Jacen, I think I'll go insane. :blink: TR1's idea of the other Sith coming more to the forefront and Jacen possibly coming to an early(ier) end is an interesting idea, I don't think it will happen. He's the main villain in the series and I don't really see them killing him off until the last book. We know he survives to Revelation because he's on the cover, and that's the second-to-last book.

And now, a moment of silence for Kam and Tionne. :crying:

[DarthSolo]

Finished it today. It was a good book, in general, I think. A good read.

And part of me does think Jacen is irredeemable after this book. I mean, how he corrupted Tahiri, how he seized the Academy, how he burnt Kashyyk. It just hurts. Yet, at the same time, I can still see the good in him. He still has feelings for his family, he still loves them, it was said blatantly a couple of times. He's just repressing them cuz he's seriously deluded himself. Which makes me cringe. It really did sink in this book: Jacen Solo is dead. But, IMO, only mostly dead. Thank you Princess Bride.

Ben...worries me. He's bent on vengeance. And I don't think Luke is thinking quite straight enough to do much about it. At this point, I don't think either of them have the ability to bring Jacen back. That is going to be Leia's job, I've decided. My heart goes out to that amazing woman.

It was sad to see Kam and Tionne go.

But, potentially another thing that was very subtly passed over, perhaps a mistake on Denning's part: as far as we know, R2-D2 is no more. He was in Luke's X-Wing when it crashed into the Anakin Solo and nothing more was said about it, beside Threepio wondering aloud to Leia and Han. Did Denning accidentally (or purposefully) kill the little droid? I'll be interested to see how this is handled.

The Sith Alema encountered...didn't impress me at all. I'm interested to see more, though, and I'm also interested in that Vectivus Holocron.

One more annoyance: I think it's obvious that the Boba Fett-Mandolorian story-line that Traviss is keen on will continue to be forgotten by the series as a whole. Which is disappointing. You would think that after the MandolMotors and the Verpine struck such a deal that you'd see some of their ships flying around at the Battle of Balmorra or Kuat or Kashyyk or SOMEWHERE! I'm trying to decide who to be annoyed at: Traviss for inserting the seemingly pointless plotline, Denning and Allston for ignoring a potentially important plot-line, or the editing team for letting such a continuity error creep in. Or a combo of all. Meh. We'll see how it's handled.

In all, I think it's well written with a good pace, etc. Denning is a good author.

[RedMirax]

I finished Inferno Saturday night/early Sunday morning. Here is my take.

I agree about Tahiri. She knew she was being used, but went ahead with it any way and now it's like a drug for her. I really feel for Han and Leia. Everything for them has steadily gotten worse and they keep being strong.

I liked that Luke finally showed why he's Grand Master, but the second encounter didn't seem that way. Troy did mention that R2 was prepping a ship to get them off the Anakin Solo when he and Ben were leaving. I was glad he mentioned that.

I can't beleive they are still debating who killed Mara. I thought that was going to be a known fact, but now it looks like they are going to go round and round about it. But, I guess they have to because there are more books to come. I don't know why it would be hard to believe Jacen did it, look what he's done and keeps doing!

I was upset about the younglings and Kam and Tionne :(. But, I liked the book over all. I have hopes for young Ben.

[Luvinna]

RedMirax,
I'm glad you cleared up the thing about Artoo, because, well, that would have been above and beyond Mara. :mad:

[DarthSolo]

Yeah, thanks RM. Once you said it, I remembered. WHEW!

[TuskenRaider1]

Agree,

If they were to kill artoo with little or no mention, I think Id have to step away for a while. Especially with certain issues of continuity for the future...but mainly because of some respect issues. Lucas loves those little droids...

I think Jacen will stick around, but I can hope that the other sith become a major issue right? Like they kill him off in the second to last book, and the last one is galaxy altering?

[JackBauer24]

One thing I was a little confused on...

I know Kam died, but I thought Tionne was only really badly injured

[Arica]

Is anyone else slapping their foreheads and shaking their heads about most of the people not believing that Jacen killed Mara. Okay. As soon as he interupts her funeral and walks in her body starts glowing. HELLO!!!! Yes I know most of them thought it was her body going into the force, but I dont think so and I know Ben doesnt think so. Come on guys. I know the kid is only 14 and is still greiving and may want revenge but that doesnt mean that they shouldnt listen to him. Never ever underestimate the youth. It may come back and bite you in the butt someday.

And what about Karrde and Shada not being there!! Ugh!! He was her boss for heaven petes sake and most of all her friend. :banghead: It reminds me of ER when Mark dies and Carol and Doug his two BEST FRIENDS arent even there. I was upset about that one too.

Anyway at least Saba gave the Eulogy and a disguised threat towards Jacen. Love that. You got to love Barbels.

End rant.

Okay I ve said my peace.

Later.
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[RedMirax]

I didn't even think about Karrde and Shada not being there! *bumps forehead* I would have thought he would have been there, too. Maybe Aarron will mention it. :(

Also, did we already know that Vergere was a Sith?

[DarthSolo]

Is anyone else slapping their foreheads and shaking their heads about most of the people not believing that Jacen killed Mara. Okay. As soon as he interupts her funeral and walks in her body starts glowing. HELLO!!!! Yes I know most of them thought it was her body going into the force, but I dont think so and I know Ben doesnt think so. Come on guys. I know the kid is only 14 and is still greiving and may want revenge but that doesnt mean that they shouldnt listen to him. Never ever underestimate the youth. It may come back and bite you in the butt someday.

Arica, I think Ben just never told anyone about his premonitions. Besides Caedus of course. And that surprises me more than anything. Other than that, while everyone knows Jacen is going bad, I don't think they'd think he could have possibly killed his own aunt. But all that's changed now. It won' be a surprise anymore.


And what about Karrde and Shada not being there!! Ugh!! He was her boss for heaven petes sake and most of all her friend. :banghead: It reminds me of ER when Mark dies and Carol and Doug his two BEST FRIENDS arent even there. I was upset about that one too.

I missed that, too! Hmm. I'm sure they were there, just not mentioned. Possibly.


Also, did we already know that Vergere was a Sith?
Lumiya said it in Betrayal when convincing Jacen. I personally didn't believe it at the time. But now knowing she was sort of a rogue Sith makes more sense.

Look at all the spoiler in black!!!

[Sam Kenobi]

Without reading this topic, as I have only read the prologue, I only have one thing to say.

JACEN IS A ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Moderator edit: Please do not use that kind of profanities. Master Magnus.

[Soontir Solo]

This is probably the first time I have posted in about a year. But I still keep up with the EU and I have read Inferno so here it goes.

While I still don't think much of Legacy of the Force (how can anyone be satisfied with it after NJO?) I did like how action packed this book was. Constant action, lots of fighting, and finally Luke Skywalker drawing the line and being a real leader to the Jedi Order.


One thing I found to be kind of ridiculous though was how Kashyyyk didn't have any planetary shields. You would like a planet which had been taken over by the Empire at one time, had fought against the Yuuzghan Vong, etc. would have planetary shields like most major worlds do (Coruscant, Bothawui, etc.). Another thing that got me was that here we are 10 years after the war with the YV and some of these planets which had been completely taken over by the Vong (Commenor, Nal Hutta) now all the sudden have strong fleets able to truely compete with the GFFA. Kind of hard to believe really, that planets who lost most of there population, all of there economic infastructure, could become so powerful so fast. It would be like Germany rivalling the United States again in 1955, except worse because at least Germany didn't lose most of there population and they at least had some infastructure left.

I would say more but the format and stuff has changed since I was last on and I can't figure out how to do spoiler tags.

[JackBauer24]

[ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ] <- Remove the spaces.

The only thing that really bothered me about the Kashyyyk stuff was the fact that the EU is still going by the old standard about the planet being all massive trees. I would have liked to have seen some of the beachfront property we saw in ROTS. What was that, Kachiro?

[Sam Kenobi]

Finished it today. It was a good book, in general, I think. A good read.

And part of me does think Jacen is irredeemable after this book. I mean, how he corrupted Tahiri, how he seized the Academy, how he burnt Kashyyk. It just hurts. Yet, at the same time, I can still see the good in him. He still has feelings for his family, he still loves them, it was said blatantly a couple of times. He's just repressing them cuz he's seriously deluded himself. Which makes me cringe. It really did sink in this book: Jacen Solo is dead. But, IMO, only mostly dead. Thank you Princess Bride.

Ben...worries me. He's bent on vengeance. And I don't think Luke is thinking quite straight enough to do much about it. At this point, I don't think either of them have the ability to bring Jacen back. That is going to be Leia's job, I've decided. My heart goes out to that amazing woman.

It was sad to see Kam and Tionne go.

But, potentially another thing that was very subtly passed over, perhaps a mistake on Denning's part: as far as we know, R2-D2 is no more. He was in Luke's X-Wing when it crashed into the Anakin Solo and nothing more was said about it, beside Threepio wondering aloud to Leia and Han. Did Denning accidentally (or purposefully) kill the little droid? I'll be interested to see how this is handled.

The Sith Alema encountered...didn't impress me at all. I'm interested to see more, though, and I'm also interested in that Vectivus Holocron.

One more annoyance: I think it's obvious that the Boba Fett-Mandolorian story-line that Traviss is keen on will continue to be forgotten by the series as a whole. Which is disappointing. You would think that after the MandolMotors and the Verpine struck such a deal that you'd see some of their ships flying around at the Battle of Balmorra or Kuat or Kashyyk or SOMEWHERE! I'm trying to decide who to be annoyed at: Traviss for inserting the seemingly pointless plotline, Denning and Allston for ignoring a potentially important plot-line, or the editing team for letting such a continuity error creep in. Or a combo of all. Meh. We'll see how it's handled.

In all, I think it's well written with a good pace, etc. Denning is a good author.

First, I stopped for about an hour to write a blog after chapter 16. That's when Luke dies. I didn't believe it. Luke can't die. Yet. I wrote a blog about it. As soon as I read on, the first thing I noticed was R2. It makes me wonder how Luke was able to fake his death so realistically, and on multiple fronts. Leia felt it, Jaina, Jacen. And, those two saw it. How did he do it?

Now, I was unsure if Kam and Tione died. They had a painfull degree of injuries, but it was not clear to me if they died.

In the interview, they mentioned that there has not been much coordination with the future. As in, other series to come. They said that they only made sure that there were not continuity issues with the Legacy comics. That makes me think that there won't be a lot of changes coming for the galaxy.

And lastly, my prediction for Fury is that Jacen is going to kidnap Allana. And I have the inclination that Tahiri will become a lover to Jacen. But that's just an idea.

[Ripley]

This is probably the first time I have posted in about a year. But I still keep up with the EU and I have read Inferno so here it goes.

While I still don't think much of Legacy of the Force (how can anyone be satisfied with it after NJO?) I did like how action packed this book was. Constant action, lots of fighting, and finally Luke Skywalker drawing the line and being a real leader to the Jedi Order.


One thing I found to be kind of ridiculous though was how Kashyyyk didn't have any planetary shields. You would like a planet which had been taken over by the Empire at one time, had fought against the Yuuzghan Vong, etc. would have planetary shields like most major worlds do (Coruscant, Bothawui, etc.). Another thing that got me was that here we are 10 years after the war with the YV and some of these planets which had been completely taken over by the Vong (Commenor, Nal Hutta) now all the sudden have strong fleets able to truely compete with the GFFA. Kind of hard to believe really, that planets who lost most of there population, all of there economic infastructure, could become so powerful so fast. It would be like Germany rivalling the United States again in 1955, except worse because at least Germany didn't lose most of there population and they at least had some infastructure left.

I would say more but the format and stuff has changed since I was last on and I can't figure out how to do spoiler tags.
I say the worlds being on their feet is the double edged sword of LOTF- just how big the galaxy is. Sources such as The Essential Chronology said the Empire at its height was an empire of a million worlds with the GA controling the vast majority of those former worlds. The pure economic power of that many worlds under a single banner would make recovery very rapid. On the otherhand it makes having few worlds- especially when Bloodlines portrayed it as almost Corellia alone- becoming a major threat to galactic stablity lack any credibility at all. What I want to know is why Nal Hutta is a Confederation member when Hutt Space has almost always been independent of the Coruscant government. Of course the entire political situation in LOTF makes no sense at all, especially Darth Idiot's coup de'droid.

[TuskenRaider1]

Coup de'droid. Thats pretty damn funny.

[Soontir Solo]

But some of these worlds would have had absolutely nothing left. Worlds that had been "vong formed" would have had to start from scratch, and with only a very limited population. The thought that Commenor could rival the GFFA in power after basically ceasing to exist once the YV took it is a huge stretch for me. And as you said considering that the GFFA has the resources of millions of worlds at hand it is hard for me to believe the so called Confederacy could really be challenging them. And of course I agree about the Hutt situation. I fail to see why the Hutts would even desire an alliance with the likes of the Bothans, Corellians, etc. Plus Hutt Space was completely run over in the Vong War, and I fail to see how smugglers, drug dealers, and pirates could rebuild to a point of taking an active military part in an offenisve against the GFFA.

And I agree that the coup was done way to easily.........we seem to agree quite a bit Ripley, one of the few times.

[Master Magnus]

I say the worlds being on their feet is the double edged sword of LOTF- just how big the galaxy is. Sources such as The Essential Chronology said the Empire at its height was an empire of a million worlds with the GA controling the vast majority of those former worlds.
Actually, the Empire consisted of 1 million worlds and an additional fifty million colonies, dependencies and protectorates.

[Ripley]

Gather around people, Ripley has an anecodte for you that might possibly reach the badass level as Mr. Peter's scar.

So our good lad Ripley was in a middle of tryst with a twenty-four year old co-worker who will go by the initial K since she'd probably murder me if she found me pontificating about us on the internet. K and Ripley had many good times together (the majority would result in banning if I posted them here). However K and Ripley's courtship did go beyond friends with benefits. Why did these two buckaroos did go the whole nine yards into relationship status? Well Miss K has a child at the ripe age of four. While this not an exact quotation it goes along the line of this.

"Ripley, I don't want you to miss out on the getting drunk/screwing everything part of your life that college is. I have a child. You do not fully understand the burden that a child brings, how that breaks down your partying you need to have in college. I have made incredibile sacrifices for this child, and would do anything to ensure it has a better life than I have.

So Ripley sits around afterwords making odd connections between this and the fictional world much like Ripley does. This intern leads to what Leia went through inable to rescue Han from a life as a wall ornament, how Han grew from a selfish loner to a selfless member of the team, how Leia never gave up on Luke when he fell under the thrawl of El Clono in Dark Empire, etc. Then after this mental stimulation I run into Leia's and Han's actions in Inferno, possibly one of the greatest reasons fanboys should be barred from ever publishing a single word. The overwhelming irrational emotion known as love leads people to have hope in people that do not deserve it. Is Denning trying to say that two people who have a history of loving their family despite the relatives depredation can really allow assassins to attempt to kill their remaining son? Is the constant reader supposed to believe that Han would really go off and make a remark about wishing his child should have been dropped out a window when he was born? Han held Jacen in his hands as newborn, changed his crappy diapers, saw himself when he looked at Jacen grow from a child to man, and loved him no matter what.

That sums up Inferno and the entire Legacy of the Force cycle. Ill planned (the recent LOTF video at the official site shows that they do not even know the ending), lacking any thought into what is presented, inconsistent, and simply idiotic. The garing POV shifts during Mara's funeral, Luke doing nothing when the coup gave Jacen and Niathal the power to render the other elements of the Alliance government to rubber stamp status, flow-walking, and other countless stupid moments do not have the power as Han's and Leia's character disembowelment. Sane parents never stop caring such as Ripley's quasi female companion. Han and Leia went over the precipice taking any last Star Wars vestage left in the post-ROTJ novels with them. Such a sad state to see the EU in now.

[Kapit]

Is Denning trying to say that two people who have a history of loving their family despite the relatives depredation can really allow assassins to attempt to kill their remaining son? Could've been a flippant remark. I'm pretty sure Han and Leia have a good idea of what Jacen is capable of, so I bet they know that regular assassins wouldn't be able to touch him.

On the other hand, what would you do if your kid put out a warrant for your arrest? Walk up to him and tell him you love him? I'm sure that would work about as well as using an orange to light a fire.

Is the constant reader supposed to believe that Han would really go off and make a remark about wishing his child should have been dropped out a window when he was born? Han held Jacen in his hands as newborn, changed his crappy diapers, saw himself when he looked at Jacen grow from a child to man, and loved him no matter what.Han loves the old Jacen, yes. But this is no longer Jacen. How many times did they have to say "Both our sons are dead" in Inferno for it to stick?
That sums up Inferno and the entire Legacy of the Force cycle. Ill planned (the recent LOTF video at the official site shows that they do not even know the ending) Maybe this is just me talking here, but so what if they don't have an ending? They had to change the NJO halfway through to appease GL, so what does it matter if there's no ending decided yet for LOTF? Seems like a good idea to me. You set things in stone, it's hard to break out of those plans. Why not just let the natural flow of things lead you to an ending? Luke doing nothing when the coup gave Jacen and Niathal the power to render the other elements of the Alliance government to rubber stamp statusWhat could Luke have done? Seriously, the coup was a bunch of well-worded paperwork and a secret takeover. Sure, Jedi are good, but when the takeover is masterminded by someone like Jacen, it's pretty hard to figure that one out

flow-walkingI agree with you here. It's too convenient and really seems out of place. Time travel never seemed to fit in this universe.


Han and Leia went over the precipice taking any last Star Wars vestage left in the post-ROTJ novels with them. Such a sad state to see the EU in now.Sad state? You'd rather we have Callista coming back?

....Or maybe we need another Lando trilogy? :nahnah:

[Sam Kenobi]

Let's not forget the Sun Crusher, Prototype Death Star, Darksaber, and Eye(s) of Palpatine.

XD

I actually enjoy the flow-walking. Especially since they've explained it a little bit more. As long as they use it correctly; don't over use it. Denning created it, and he is ending the series. I think it will have a more important role, possibly part of Jacen's downfall.

[Luvinna]

First, I stopped for about an hour to write a blog after chapter 16. That's when Luke dies. I didn't believe it. Luke can't die. Yet. I wrote a blog about it. As soon as I read on, the first thing I noticed was R2. It makes me wonder how Luke was able to fake his death so realistically, and on multiple fronts. Leia felt it, Jaina, Jacen. And, those two saw it. How did he do it?
Luke faked his death?!? Arica failed to mention that little detail. I'd like to know how that was accomplished so convincingly, too.

The things I miss when I don't read the book. :ohwell:

[DarthSolo]

Ah Ripley and Soontir. Classic. Good times. Wish I'd been online for it.

Ok, somehow I lost the entire post I was writing up, so I guess I'll just rehash.

RE: Kashyyk shields or lackthereof. Hmm, hadn't thought about that. It does, quite, annoy me now that I think about it.

RE: Commenor's strength. I think the galaxy as a whole (or at least the Core area and around it) has rebuilt after the YV much faster than I'd expected. Coruscant seems to be back to full city size and apparently Commenor can muster a full navy. I can deal with it, though, because it has been a decade and there is a lot of money and resources flowing into powerful planets. And rebuilding was likely a #1 priority for morale after the end of the war.

RE: the Hutts. Their place in the Confederation doesn't surprise me at all. One of two things could've happened: in Destiny's Way when the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances was formed, it was a coalition government, not the centralized beast it has become. It wouldn't surprise me if the reeling Hutts joined it and then just became part of the GA as time went on. OR they could've remained independent and power hungry, seeing an opportunity to take a bite out of the big fish of the GA, joining in the rebellion isn't a surprising move. Hutts are underhanded like that. I'm surprised we haven't seen more backstabbing from within the Confederation, honestly. Either way, the Hutt thing ain't a big deal. The rebuilding from YV devastation though...well, if the Core can do it, so can the Hutts I guess.

RE: Ripley's rant on Han and Leia. Leia, imo, isn't quite as extreme as Han is, which makes sense because she and Jacen always were a bit closer. Han's reaction doesn't surprise me in the least, though. First, he's not as patient, he's much more rash. Second, Jacen's actions have all been much worse for Han, as Han is a Corellian. We saw that from the beginning. Third, Jacen has been a jerk towards Han and Leia more than anyone else in the galaxy. As Kaputski stated, he's got a warrant out for their arrest. He tried to arrest them at Mara's funeral. He shot at the Falcon. He has pushed himself consciously and purposefully to harm his parents. Males are much less forgiving than females, it seems to me, as well. And, in the comparison you made with your friend K, Ripley, you can't take one case study and apply it to any topic. Everyone is going to be a different type of parent. A young single mother's experience is going to be drastically different to the experience of galactic heroes like Han and Leia Solo. I won't even start to go into how. Needless to say, that's a poor comparison to draw.

I think I've said my piece. Ripley, Soontir, it's great to see both of you around. Wish it happened more!

[TuskenRaider1]

The Easy answer on Commenor is that Fyor Rodan still controls votes in the Senate, and as an astutue politico, redirected funding to Commenor first, others second, in the years following the War....

As for Han and Leia, well, I still think Jacen's vision in the third book is prophetic to an extent. Be fun to see how it plays out. Remember, it was Leia who had visions in Tattoine Ghost about children, and Leia who was always afraid of the Vader shadow over the family. She made her peace eventually, but still, that was Denning too.

[DarthSolo]

Oh, yeah, one other thing I forgot, RE: the author's not knowing how it's gonna end. Bullocks. I watched the video of Allston and Denning on TOS. The only reason they included the two different ideas for an end was for suspense. To think that the authors don't know what's going on at the time when Denning is likely already writing or finished with the final manuscript is absurd. At the C4 panel, I didn't get any indication they didn't know how it'd end, nor did this video or anything else I've seen lead me to believe there is ambiguity.

[Coyote850]

I'm about 3/4 the way through Inferno and its gotten really interesting. Can't wait for the next one already.

[Sam Kenobi]

The Easy answer on Commenor is that Fyor Rodan still controls votes in the Senate, and as an astutue politico, redirected funding to Commenor first, others second, in the years following the War....

As for Han and Leia, well, I still think Jacen's vision in the third book is prophetic to an extent. Be fun to see how it plays out. Remember, it was Leia who had visions in Tattoine Ghost about children, and Leia who was always afraid of the Vader shadow over the family. She made her peace eventually, but still, that was Denning too.

GOOD POINT! It's little moments like THAT that light my EU LOVE fire.

Can anyone recall what the vision that either Luke or Jacen had in the NJO? It was before Traitor, and reguarded Jacen tossing a lightsaber to Luke, and he missed it, and it sent the balance of the galaxy out of control. Was that ever resolved or did it happen in some form? Is it still destined to happen?

Jacen's vision, while I think I'd hate to love to see it happen, won't. Somehow, I imagine both Han and Leia dying in the Falcon on some suicide run.

Lastly, regarding Leia and Han's reaction to Jacen. Remember Han's reaction to Chewie's death? He blamed Anakin. He practically disowned him. So, quite frankly, this really isn't a stretch.

[Zedekk]

Alright peeps my 2 cents: Luke had the opportunity to kill Jacen! W T F!!!!!!? Kill him let it be done with. I swear if they try bringing Darth Caedus back I'll never read another EU book again. Another thing when writing about Jacen/Caedus pick one name to refer to him and stick with it. the whole back and forth of Jacen thinking this then Caedus doing this was just plain stoopid he's a sith lord, we know it, use his G*d D*mn Sith Lord title. I can understand Darth Caedus not wanting to anounce the change in title to the galaxy, because he's a scared little b*tch but when jacen does or says something or is thinking something referr to the guy as Darth Caedus. It almost makes it seem as if they regret putting Jacen into that roll and just don't want to call him "Darth".
Oh yeah the whole disregarding of the Mando setup was good! the only one who was all star struck with the Mando crap was Karen that woman almost derailed the whole plot of LOTF. If Karen starts writing her own trilogy book about what how and who rises to power in the whole geopolitical scheme of Mandolor, fine. I might even read all of it, but damn it, when you're in conjunction with other writers writing a huge arc for the galaxy it doesn't bode too well to zoom waaay in on one particular group for the duration of a whole book and then have the other writers resume "the actual story". (bad Karen)

And as a side note someone please kill that Tarfang. I want to see Leia Jedi-Slap that Ewok back to his stoneage civilization.

[DarthSolo]

GOOD POINT! It's little moments like THAT that light my EU LOVE fire.

Can anyone recall what the vision that either Luke or Jacen had in the NJO? It was before Traitor, and reguarded Jacen tossing a lightsaber to Luke, and he missed it, and it sent the balance of the galaxy out of control. Was that ever resolved or did it happen in some form? Is it still destined to happen?

Pretty sure that was taken care of at the NJO. I don't remember exactly how, but in TUF it seemed like it was referenced during his heroics.


Alright peeps my 2 cents: Luke had the opportunity to kill Jacen! W T F!!!!!!? Kill him let it be done with. I swear if they try bringing Darth Caedus back I'll never read another EU book again. Another thing when writing about Jacen/Caedus pick one name to refer to him and stick with it. the whole back and forth of Jacen thinking this then Caedus doing this was just plain stoopid he's a sith lord, we know it, use his G*d D*mn Sith Lord title. I can understand Darth Caedus not wanting to anounce the change in title to the galaxy, because he's a scared little b*tch but when jacen does or says something or is thinking something referr to the guy as Darth Caedus. It almost makes it seem as if they regret putting Jacen into that roll and just don't want to call him "Darth".

I disagree on the whole name thing. You've gotta pay attention to point of view. Jacen refers to himself, generally, as Caedus, with the exception of a few times, when, IMO, the authors are doing it on purpose to show that he still has feelings for all the people he is being a ******* to. Read, there is still good in him. But, when it isn't Jacen's point of view, because no one else knows of his Sith name but him, they refer to him as Jacen. It makes sense.



And as a side note someone please kill that Tarfang. I want to see Leia Jedi-Slap that Ewok back to his stoneage civilization.Agreed on Tarfang. That guy annoys me thoroughly.

Heh heh, funny lookin' post.

[Sam Kenobi]

I didn't care for Tarfang much . . . accept that I'm pretty sure that he is the Ewok that escaped the Rasor's Kiss in the second half of the X-Wing series. Written by Allston. How many Ewoks could there be running around the galaxy?