Where the heck did Palpy come from!?

[Jedi_Zachaa]

It came to me a few minutes ago when I was sitting on the... well you don't need to know that... but I was wondering... if Palpy has such strong Force powers, how come he wasn't picked up by the Jedi as a kid? *And if he was, how did he escape? *I mean, Jedi kids don't just disappear, as far as I know. *He couldn't have been BORN evil, there must have been SOMEONE who knew him as a good person or may have even felt him when he was a Light User and then must have witnessed his transformation... how come no one knows he's a big fat Dark Dude (I mean fat in the Force)?

I'd like to remind people that this IS in the OT section, so ANY EPISODE II OR III SPOILERS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!!!

Thanks

[DanielSkywalker]

I totally respect your not wanting to know any juicy news about ep II or III. I, as you, am one of those who do not want everything spoiled for me before i even walk into the theatre. As for your question, i think the Sith had been around ever since way before the formation of the republic (i.e. Tales of the Jedi), and they had not died off as many of the jedi thought they had. The Sith managed to operate secretly with only one master and only one apprentice for thousands of years. Palpatine's master probably picked him because the jedi had not yet discovered his force sensitivity. So, the jedi were never aware of Palpatine's force sensitivity and they certainly were never aware of him or his master (unknown as far as I know) being Sith. I could be wrong.

[Tovor]

It came to me a few minutes ago when I was sitting on the... well you don't need to know that...
Zachaa, you think Star Wars even when you're on the bowl? *Wow, you too?

if Palpy has such strong Force powers, how come he wasn't picked up by the Jedi as a kid? *And if he was, how did he escape? *I mean, Jedi kids don't just disappear, as far as I know. *
I don't think Lucas has any intention of revealing Palpatine's origin any more than Darth Maul's. *He wants to leave his past a mystery I'm sure. *But my guess, one guess, is that Palpy, like Anakin, was born outside the Republic. *We know that Padme (*unrelated, just an example*) was educated and trained as a child to serve as a queen, which she was then elected to do. *Maybe Palpy's father was a Sith...maybe Palpy's father was his Sith Master and he was the apprentice. *Maybe as a child Palpy was sent to Naboo by his Sith father for the intent of living in Republic society to rise to the rank he now holds. *Perhaps the plans we saw fulfilled in TPM were the original plans of the Sith master who was Palpy's father. *The apprentice serves the master, the master makes the apprentice fear him...unless the apprentice kills the master and takes his place. *Maybe Palpatine killed his master his father, and then found Maul and made him his own apprentice. *If that is true, we see not only how evil and dispicable he is, but why making (urging) Luke kill his father (ROTJ) was part of the tradition of his own family and rise to power.

He couldn't have been BORN evil, there must have been SOMEONE who knew him as a good person
Its hard to imagine somebody being born evil. Even Adolph Hitler and Osama Bin Laden were once innocent babies. *But if what I wrote above could be true, then Palpy was born into evil and shaped and molded in its form as he was raised. *He was born and raised for the only purpose of fulfilling his father's evil scheme, only to kill his father and take the scheme and reward as his own. *But remember, what I wrote is pure speculation and creative thinking on my part, not on par with anything I've seen written or suggested in canon or non canon sources.

[nerfer]

I have to admit the Evilness of Palpy confused me in the Phantom Menance (Since Sidious is Palpy).

I remember old interviews with Lucas regarding the prequels and Palpy in particular. In regards to Palply he said we'd see that he himself started out as a sort of innocent. In that he wanted to do good for the Republic, and that along the way his good intentions become warped. In essence he started off good and ended up bad.

But like I said from the Phantom Menance it just looks like he's bad from the start. I mean its not possible to start of as a good Sith and get worse is it?

Hmmmmmm.... Nerf's brain rambles on...

[cc4rhu]

Assuming that babies are not born good or evil but are shaped that way then it would stand to reason that it wouldn't make a difference if Palpy was a son of a sith, a son of a jedi, or a son of a ... well you know what.

But, Palpy was well trained, therefore spotted at an early age. For this to happen, seeing that there would have been only one Sith at the time and it's highly unlikely they would have been keeping an eye out for force senstivie children (unless the previous Sith master/apprentice was knowing they were going to die) it stands to reason that he was spotted by a Jedi and sent to the academy. But did he make it there? There was no apparent threat of abduction as the Sith were supposedly extinct so security would have been minimal. Who would have noticed a missing trainee?

IN fact, the more I think about it it makes sense.

An old Sith master is dying in the force. He instructs the Apprentice to get a padawan to take as his own, thereby coming the master in turn. Why Palpy? How did he get planted on Naboo to become Senator? How was he taught in such diplomatic skills?? Too late for such thoughts will be back tomorrow.

Cc

[Senator Theant]

It seems to me that Palpatine has been evil from the start. Well, in actuality, from when he was born into the hands of evil. Palpatine is the epitome of evil, just like how Yoda is the archetype of wisdom.

His childhood, thus, must have been very dark and dimented. He probaly witnessed from an early age the good ol' "use & abuse" tactics. It also obvious that he has spent his life preparing to become a Sith Master. I think that we can conclude from here that he was born into the Sith family, since there existed the small risk of alarming the Jedi. What makes sense the most is a situation in which a certain Sith Lord was expecting the birth of Palpatine because of the strength of the force in his parents. Once the baby was born, *PFFZZT*. This certain Sith Lord must have disciplined Palpatine to the highest degree, while also hardening his heart at an early age by revealing the weaknesses of those around him. It makes sense that Palp's final step into the dark side was marked by the killing of his master, whom he both hated for his discipline and loved him for his guidance. During all of this, Palp had been tutored in that ways of politics and psychology. Naboo probably served as an ideal location for his education, where its serene surroundings could downplay any accusation of a corrupt upbringing.

It actually makes more sense if Palpatine was the result of a great search for the One that would bring the Sith to their rightful throne in the universe. Prior to Palp, the single Sith Lords probably had secretly sought after the one who had the mental capacity to carry out the tasks necessary to usher in the New Order (or whatever else it was called at that time). Remeber, the Sith Lords had lots of time to make and remake their plans for the collapse of the Republic and the destruction of the Jedis.

[Nathan Butler]

Just a thought to continue the thread a bit . . .

By what we've been given in the LFL-approved, but not necessarily Lucas-approved Official Continuity, Maul was never a Jedi. Maul was found on Iridonia by Sidious when he was very young and trained much like a Jedi, i.e. from a very early age.

There's no reason to believe the same could not be true for Palpy.

[darth scourge]

Darth Sidious was the apprentice of a Sith Lord called Darth Imperius.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by darth scourge@Oct 2 2004, 07:15 AM
Darth Sidious was the apprentice of a Sith Lord called Darth Imperius.
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I thought he re-emerged after all the Sith wiped each other out when they were led by Darth Bane.

Where did the Darth Imperius info come from?

[darth scourge]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Oct 2 2004, 12:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Oct 2 2004, 12:54 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-darth scourge@Oct 2 2004, 07:15 AM
Darth Sidious was the apprentice of a Sith Lord called Darth Imperius.
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I thought he re-emerged after all the Sith wiped each other out when they were led by Darth Bane.

Where did the Darth Imperius info come from?
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im looking for the site at the mo, ill put the link on here when i find it again

[darth scourge]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Oct 2 2004, 12:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Oct 2 2004, 12:54 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-darth scourge@Oct 2 2004, 07:15 AM
Darth Sidious was the apprentice of a Sith Lord called Darth Imperius.
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I thought he re-emerged after all the Sith wiped each other out when they were led by Darth Bane.

Where did the Darth Imperius info come from?
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One bit of info came from this link
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/midi.html

There are other sites with pics,dunno if there official but might be worth a look,just bare with me.

[darth scourge]

Originally posted by P-Ray+Oct 2 2004, 12:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Oct 2 2004, 12:54 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-darth scourge@Oct 2 2004, 07:15 AM
Darth Sidious was the apprentice of a Sith Lord called Darth Imperius.
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I thought he re-emerged after all the Sith wiped each other out when they were led by Darth Bane.

Where did the Darth Imperius info come from?
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this is quite interesting

http://scripts.cgispy.com/faq.cgi?user=xio...Darth%20Sidious (http://scripts.cgispy.com/faq.cgi?user=xiojade&a=viewfaqs&cat=Palpatine/Darth%20Sidious)

[Kapit]

that site is a crock

yoda has no "full name" and his species is not "whill"

i don't believe that, nor that palpatine's first name is 'dantius"

i'd like to know where they got their "information"

[darth scourge]

Originally posted by JediKaputski@Oct 2 2004, 08:16 PM
that site is a crock

yoda has no "full name" and his species is not "whill"

i don't believe that, nor that palpatine's first name is 'dantius"

i'd like to know where they got their "information"
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i was wondering too,i thought Yoda was a minch

[Kapit]

yoda has no species

a lot of the stuff on that site is laughable because everyone knows it's not true

[darth scourge]

Originally posted by JediKaputski@Oct 2 2004, 08:22 PM
yoda has no species

a lot of the stuff on that site is laughable because everyone knows it's not true
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you think thats laughable,you should have read some of the sites that had early episode 3 drafts,Darth Bane and other sith lords were apparently returning with Christopher Walken as Darth Bane

[The_Senator_from_Terra]

LOL Supershadow is a complete idiot. Have you ever clicked the link that supposedly takes you to a pic of his girlfriend! Total BS!!!!! LOL!

Darth Bane in Episode III?! HAHAHAHA....

And Yoda has a species it's just never named lol =P

[Sargoth]

Originally posted by The_Senator_from_Terra@Oct 8 2004, 05:50 AM
And Yoda has a species it's just never named lol =P
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Never officially named, but the name "Minch" was used in pre-production as both a component of Yoda's name i.e."Minch Yoda" and as the name of his species. Interestingly, some of the database entries in imdb.com name Yoda as "Minch Yoda", as well as naming Palpatine "Cos Palpatine" - the original "Emperor" character in the early SW drafts was named "Cos Da****".

As far as the Whills: I've never heard this name being attached to Yoda's species. But according to the earliest drafts of SW, the story was taken from The Journal of the Whills. Again, this may have been part of an early ESB draft or pre-production.

[Reel 2/Dialogue 2]

Originally posted by Sargoth@Oct 8 2004, 02:09 PM
Never officially named, but the name "Minch" was used in pre-production as both a component of Yoda's name i.e."Minch Yoda" and as the name of his species. Interestingly, some of the database entries in imdb.com name Yoda as "Minch Yoda", as well as naming Palpatine "Cos Palpatine" - the original "Emperor" character in the early SW drafts was named "Cos Da****".

As far as the Whills: I've never heard this name being attached to Yoda's species. But according to the earliest drafts of SW, the story was taken from The Journal of the Whills. Again, this may have been part of an early ESB draft or pre-production.
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It would make sense to name the species as such, since their longevity of life would make them excellent historians.

For some reason, I believed that Palpatine's first name was Augustus (thus lending credence to the spiffily-pitched version of the Emperor's Theme in "Augie's Great Municipal Band" in The Phantom Menace soundtrack).