"Everything That Has Transpired Has Done So According to My Design." Even the Rebels?

[Tovor]

We know that Palpatine created the Seperatist threat in order to gain his power; the chancellorship, war powers, clone army at his disposal, stripping of constituional rights for the sake of securing the Republic, etc. The threat to the Republic from the Seperatist, and later supposedly by the Jedi, secured his power.

We know that he did not start the Rebel Alliance which later became a thorn in his side, that Mon Mothma and Bail Organa and others did.

But did he foresee that creation of a new threat to his power, and did he allow it in order to further ensure said power? Palpatine was nothing if not an innovator, revising his plans during the prequels when the need arose. We know also that he had the Death Star plans, and plans to build it, years before the Alliance was formed. So had he foreseen the Rebel Alliance? Had the Death Star been built specifially to destroy them, or had using it on them simply been an afterthought?

So when the rebel alliance arose as a threat not to civilian worlds as Dooku and Grievous were, but as a threat to Imperial ships and interests, did Palpatine allow it prior to the completion of the Death Star and the disbanding of the Senate, because it suited his purposes somehow?

So that is my query, in two parts: Just as Palpatine had allowed the rebels to gain the plans and location of the second Death Star, which suit his purpose and enabled him to try to destroy them, had he also enabled them to exist prior to that because it suited his purposes? Maybe Palpatine and/or Darth Vader made claims that the rebel alliance was the remnant of the defeated Seperatists. It would be very easy to cast the rebels in an evil light, not fighting to restore the Republic but threatening its people.

Second part:
The Seperatist armies were known throughout the Republic as evil war mongers rebelling against the Republic. So when the rebel alliance arose, fighting against the fleets of the New Order, how would they have assured the people they were fighting for, that they were fighting for them and not against them?

[Cydon]

Beats me.

[Tovor]

Beats me.
Good answer! :ok:

[Sam Kenobi]

"Your overconfidence is your weakness."

He can't, and doesn't plan for everything. He can't forsee it all. But like you said, he's an innovator in that he can revise his plans. I think that his overconfidence plays into his forsight. He might have been so overconfident that he forsaw wrong. Maybe he saw that he destroyed the rebels. Not the case.

[nefertiti]

...and like a chess game or Go...when he moves his pieces in a specific order, he can force the players to do what he needs to be done....maybe?

[Raganork8]

my estimation would be that in the beginning of the empire the Rebels probably brought Sympathy to the empire.

Kind of like what happens in Iraq


Assuming that the Americans are the good guys (rebels) and the insurgents are the bad guys (empire) When , and please forgive me blunt crudeness, blow them up the people there see nothing but death and that might build a little sympathy to the "bad guys"


Assuming the rebels at first were a military action kind of group and attacking imperial forces and killing them, we must see that the galaxy was in turmoil after the clone war and the empire kept some stabability so when the rebels begin to attack the empire citizens may feel that the empire is being unjustifiably attacked therefore bringing more support to it.


That could be the plan he was talking about, tearing the galaxy apart keeping the rebels as a clear enemy and not having many ambigious enemies. They know who is coming after them and they have them in sight.

It's a good plan.

[blacksaber]

How about we take a look at Orwellian dystopianism in 1984. The reason the countries thrived so well was due to the war. The perpetuating war kept people afraid and willing to fight/ take more abuse. Hitler also employed this strategy to imbue national pride in all of Germany. Palpatine did the same with the rebels.

Blacksaber

[Mothman]

He was just blowin' smoke!

(Like when he told Lil' Ani that he could save Padme and then, when it was too late, he revealed that he really didn't know that secret but they could discovery it together.)




:bye:

[RollaFett]

Excellent question, Tov.
Palps must have known that there would be some reisitance to his Empire. However, I don't think it was much of an actual power and danger to him until maybe a few years prior to ANH. Remember the opening crawl for ANH, "The rebels have won their first major victory against the galactic Empire"?
By then, the Death Star was finally complete, and he could then wipe out this rebeliion force that was growing a little too powerful for his liking.

[Sargoth]

TAGGE: (in response to the announcement that the Imperial Senate has been disbanded) That's impossible! How will the Emperor maintain control without the Bureaucracy?

TARKIN: Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station!


Palpatine warned Anakin of "civil war without end" if the Jedi were to survive the purge. He also was aware (through the Delegation of 2000) that there were many 'loyal' systems of the Republic that were not fully aligned with his designs. I doubt he forsaw the rise of such a "dangerous and well-equipped" rebel alliance - certainly not one capable of overthrowing him. But it's probably safe to say that he did anticipate some strong resistance to his rule, at least until the Death Star was online.

[bruciarsi]

Light side of the force is not the only one that can be blind. Emperors sight isnt 20/20. Probally got a broad overview but never knew alot of the finer points.

[Master Magnus]

No, I'm pretty sure the Emperor was referring to the specific events concerning the trap laid out for the Rebels (I'm pretty sure the Ewoks wasn't part of the Emperor's design).

[Sam Kenobi]

Well, here's looking at it from the other side. He's got Luke in the throne room, and he's trying to intimidat him. He's not going to say, "Everything has transpired almost how I want it too. I mean, Maul was a waste of time, this whole rebellion thing wasn't supposed to get so big, and you weren't supposed to blow up that first Death Star."

He's blowin' smoke, as Mothman so elequently put it. :w00t:

[Mothman]

.....

He's blowin' smoke, as Mothman so elequently put it. :w00t:

Thank you!!



:bye:

[Zedekk]

Well, here's looking at it from the other side. He's got Luke in the throne room, and he's trying to intimidat him. He's not going to say, "Everything has transpired almost how I want it too. I mean, Maul was a waste of time, this whole rebellion thing wasn't supposed to get so big, and you weren't supposed to blow up that first Death Star."

He's blowin' smoke, as Mothman so elequently put it. :w00t:
*overheard in telephone conversation between Palpetine and Darth Vader* Palpatine: "What the hell is an aluminum falcon!?!"

[Sam Kenobi]

:yes:

[Dark Helmet]

i dont think palpatine wanted the alliance to form, but i think he knew and didnt do anything about it because he didnt see them as a threat.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

i dont think palpatine wanted the alliance to form, but i think he knew and didnt do anything about it because he didnt see them as a threat.

Yep, his overconfidence was his weakness, as I'm sure someone stated above. :)

[Master_Kinnon]

I think as far sighted he could be at times, he was overcome with his own ambition to truly see the threat the Rebels could pose. And he never seemed to really understand the psyche of people, and the lengths people will go to to fight an oppressive force.

Ambition, arrogance, selfishness...all things of the darkside :rofl:

[Orandhite]

Yep, his overconfidence was his weakness, as I'm sure someone stated above. :)

I totally agree, and not just because he is my big bro!

Basically, the dark side would mean that you would always feel that you have to prove how powerful you were, so the Emperor could have let the Rebellion come into being, just so that he could prove how powerful he was by defeating them, and also continuing to instil fear into his "followers".

[Tovor]

Something occured to me. Not recently, but at some point after ROTS did this make sense to me. And my conclusion may answer one of my original questions in this thread.

First of all, by the discussion of confidence and mockery between commanders in the Death Star meeting room in ANH, the rebels were no threat to the station, as well as "...more equipped than you realize." (or more dangerous than you realize).

Later, in the rebel briefing room, General Dodonna said that the Death Star defenses were designed to defend off a large scale capital ship attack rather than fighters. An imperial commander verified that when he told Vader that the fighters were so small they were evading the DS guns.

My confusion for quite some time had been, if the rebels were so ill equipped as ANH implies (even despite the one imperial who said they were better equipped than realized by the empire), and were so desperately outmatched and overpowered, why did the DS need such large defensive weaponry (I'm not referring to the planet-destroying gun) if all the rebels really had were snub fighters (until ROTJ)? Ep. II and III answered that of course, since the DS was originally designed by the Seperatists which did have massive warships, in anticipation of the Republic having large warships as well. Or perhaps the Geonosians, before allying with Dooku, had other enemies in mind other than the Republic when they first began designing the DS. But at least it makes sense to me now, knowing that the DS hadn't been designed and built to defend against snub fighters (while bullying the galaxy by destroying planets) as it had seemed in ANH, but to defend against as large scale capital ship assault mentioned by Dodonna and envisioned by the Geonosians.

And my other conclusion is this: Maybe the emperor had good reason to be so overconfident at the end of ROTJ. Maybe he had at first expected that the rebel alliance would have a larger, more formidable fleet to use against him, if in fact he had seen visions of the future rebellion as early as the prequels. After all, it was obvious that the rebels had some similar ships to the Seperatists' warships, obviously later built by the same manufacturers. Perhaps Sidious had at the start fully expected that the rebel alliance would aquire much of the former-Seperatist fleet, which could explain him possibly having Dooku make sure that the Geonosian designers planned for the DS defenses to be able to ward off ships of Seperatist size and power. Then, when the rebel alliance did formulate as he had envisioned, but yet did not manage to aquire the warships he had worried they'd get a hold of, it would certainly boost his already giant confidence to the point of not taking them serious enough.

[Lord Tesla]

No, I'm pretty sure the Emperor was referring to the specific events concerning the trap laid out for the Rebels (I'm pretty sure the Ewoks wasn't part of the Emperor's design).


I'm sure the emperor was expecting Wookiees. Which would explain his overconfidence: who wouldn't be inclined to it, expecting Wookiees and getting sentient cannibal bathmats gorged on little people? The greatest challenge he faced in executing his grand design was keeping a straight face. Little did he know he had been seduced and deceived by the plaid side of the Force...

...and that the dead-eyed little monsters would win?

[Kam Solusar]

Something occured to me. Not recently, but at some point after ROTS did this make sense to me. And my conclusion may answer one of my original questions in this thread.

First of all, by the discussion of confidence and mockery between commanders in the Death Star meeting room in ANH, the rebels were no threat to the station, as well as "...more equipped than you realize." (or more dangerous than you realize).

Later, in the rebel briefing room, General Dodonna said that the Death Star defenses were designed to defend off a large scale capital ship attack rather than fighters. An imperial commander verified that when he told Vader that the fighters were so small they were evading the DS guns.

My confusion for quite some time had been, if the rebels were so ill equipped as ANH implies (even despite the one imperial who said they were better equipped than realized by the empire), and were so desperately outmatched and overpowered, why did the DS need such large defensive weaponry (I'm not referring to the planet-destroying gun) if all the rebels really had were snub fighters (until ROTJ)? Ep. II and III answered that of course, since the DS was originally designed by the Seperatists which did have massive warships, in anticipation of the Republic having large warships as well. Or perhaps the Geonosians, before allying with Dooku, had other enemies in mind other than the Republic when they first began designing the DS. But at least it makes sense to me now, knowing that the DS hadn't been designed and built to defend against snub fighters (while bullying the galaxy by destroying planets) as it had seemed in ANH, but to defend against as large scale capital ship assault mentioned by Dodonna and envisioned by the Geonosians.

And my other conclusion is this: Maybe the emperor had good reason to be so overconfident at the end of ROTJ. Maybe he had at first expected that the rebel alliance would have a larger, more formidable fleet to use against him, if in fact he had seen visions of the future rebellion as early as the prequels. After all, it was obvious that the rebels had some similar ships to the Seperatists' warships, obviously later built by the same manufacturers. Perhaps Sidious had at the start fully expected that the rebel alliance would aquire much of the former-Seperatist fleet, which could explain him possibly having Dooku make sure that the Geonosian designers planned for the DS defenses to be able to ward off ships of Seperatist size and power. Then, when the rebel alliance did formulate as he had envisioned, but yet did not manage to aquire the warships he had worried they'd get a hold of, it would certainly boost his already giant confidence to the point of not taking them serious enough.

Honestly, I think you over analyzed a tidbit. The reason why it wasn't designed to repel one man craft/snub fighters is because it shouldn't have been in any danger from something so small. That comes a bit from overconfidence, but there's a least one officer on the DS that realizes there could be a weakness there (it's possibly, however unlikely, that they could find a weakness and exploit it).

Look at this from a simply logistical point of view. Something the size of a small moon should not be vulnerable to something the size of a Buick. You'd need capital ships, and A LOT of them (as evidenced by how small they are compared to the 2nd DS in RotJ) to take down something that big. So that's what they'd anticipate to have to defend against. Or, as Dodonna himself puts it: "The Empire doesn't consider a small one man fighter to be much of a threat, or else they'd have a tighter defense."

[Tovor]

Honestly, I think you over analyzed a tidbit. The reason why it wasn't designed to repel one man craft/snub fighters is because it shouldn't have been in any danger from something so small. That comes a bit from overconfidence, but there's a least one officer on the DS that realizes there could be a weakness there (it's possibly, however unlikely, that they could find a weakness and exploit it).

Look at this from a simply logistical point of view. Something the size of a small moon should not be vulnerable to something the size of a Buick. You'd need capital ships, and A LOT of them (as evidenced by how small they are compared to the 2nd DS in RotJ) to take down something that big. So that's what they'd anticipate to have to defend against. Or, as Dodonna himself puts it: "The Empire doesn't consider a small one man fighter to be much of a threat, or else they'd have a tighter defense."
Reread what I wrote, please. After saying that I over analyzed, you answered my post by rewriting what I said, essentially. Again, since the rebels really didn't have capital ships, until ROTJ, there was no need to think that they would be a threat to the Death Star, unless the DS was designed to defend against capital ships which the enemies on both sides had abundance of when it was designed during the prequels.

[Kam Solusar]

No, I read it. But you're going too far in to depth about why they would base the defenses around large scale ships, who would have them and would the Rebels, etc. When it really comes down to "it should have been large enough to HAVE to be attacked by capital ships." I don't think any thought was ever given to even needing to defend against snub fighters at all.

Otherwise, I'm picking up what you're putting down, especially when it comes to the overconfidence.

[VADERGOTH]

ahh but saying that if the endor strike team had not befreinded the ewoks the sheild generator wouldnt have been destroyed nor the death star and if vader hadnt lived to his destiny fluke would have been a crispy critter so his plans would have worked sidiouses overconfidence in vader and his initiative were his failing genius springs to my mind (damm those blasted ewoks arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:zap:

[Raganork8]

Something occured to me. Not recently, but at some point after ROTS did this make sense to me. And my conclusion may answer one of my original questions in this thread.

First of all, by the discussion of confidence and mockery between commanders in the Death Star meeting room in ANH, the rebels were no threat to the station, as well as "...more equipped than you realize." (or more dangerous than you realize).

Later, in the rebel briefing room, General Dodonna said that the Death Star defenses were designed to defend off a large scale capital ship attack rather than fighters. An imperial commander verified that when he told Vader that the fighters were so small they were evading the DS guns.

My confusion for quite some time had been, if the rebels were so ill equipped as ANH implies (even despite the one imperial who said they were better equipped than realized by the empire), and were so desperately outmatched and overpowered, why did the DS need such large defensive weaponry (I'm not referring to the planet-destroying gun) if all the rebels really had were snub fighters (until ROTJ)? Ep. II and III answered that of course, since the DS was originally designed by the Seperatists which did have massive warships, in anticipation of the Republic having large warships as well. Or perhaps the Geonosians, before allying with Dooku, had other enemies in mind other than the Republic when they first began designing the DS. But at least it makes sense to me now, knowing that the DS hadn't been designed and built to defend against snub fighters (while bullying the galaxy by destroying planets) as it had seemed in ANH, but to defend against as large scale capital ship assault mentioned by Dodonna and envisioned by the Geonosians.

And my other conclusion is this: Maybe the emperor had good reason to be so overconfident at the end of ROTJ. Maybe he had at first expected that the rebel alliance would have a larger, more formidable fleet to use against him, if in fact he had seen visions of the future rebellion as early as the prequels. After all, it was obvious that the rebels had some similar ships to the Seperatists' warships, obviously later built by the same manufacturers. Perhaps Sidious had at the start fully expected that the rebel alliance would aquire much of the former-Seperatist fleet, which could explain him possibly having Dooku make sure that the Geonosian designers planned for the DS defenses to be able to ward off ships of Seperatist size and power. Then, when the rebel alliance did formulate as he had envisioned, but yet did not manage to aquire the warships he had worried they'd get a hold of, it would certainly boost his already giant confidence to the point of not taking them serious enough.

Which Rebels ship are separatist like? I can't honestly remember.


I like you're idea; but, I also think you're looking into a little bit too much. I don't think Palpatine forsaw the the rebels would acquire ships like the geonosians and there for they would, by, default, make defenses for the station against they're own ships which would later become enemy ships. It's a nice idea; but a little too much.

I think you're more right in saying that at the time there were capital ships being used in battle more frequently so therefore they made the defenses according to what they were facing at that time.

Plus we have to remember hat rebellion must have had a 'red scare' period where people were looking over their shoulders and second guessing their friends to see who was a rebel. Anyone could be a rebel, including, a imperial (for an E.U. example look at Crix Nadiene) so at any point the Empire could be going against a slew of capital ships, depending on how easily the rebellion made friends or how quickly the empire created enemies.

IMO

[Tovor]

Which Rebels ship are separatist like? I can't honestly remember.

There were these:

[RollaFett]

Really? I only see a resemblance on the 2nd and 3rd pics.

[Tovor]

I think there was a consciously designed similarity at ILM in the design of these two ships. I am, of course, referring to the long armlike section that connects the main body to the engine section. And also look at the front, pointed/curved shape of the Seperatist ships in the 2nd and 3rd pic, and then look back to the rebel transport. If I can find close ups of those hull sections from ROTS, I'll post those too. And look aslo at the thing that sticks up in the back of the rebel transport, like a submarine conning tower. The Sep ships had that too, though mych larger and higher. And look at the raised/rounded shapes of the Mon Calimari hull in the 2nd to last pic, and the production drawing of the Sep ship in the last at the top row.

[Zedekk]

I can see the similarities in the rebel transport and the medical frigate, but not the Mon Cal Ship. I don't think that the Sepratist really had any members that were keen on designing their ships with an artistic and "flow of form" idea in mind.

[Tovor]

Maybe the Mon Cal was a big stretch, I concede.

[DarthLazious]

I think its safe to say Palpatine used everyone and everything to get where he is today as The Emperor of the Galaxy.

[Raganork8]

I think its safe to say Palpatine used everyone and everything to get where he is today as The Emperor of the Galaxy.

:no:

He's dead now...


As Luke stated; his overconfidence was his weakness; he either didn't predict a rebellion of that strength or did and ignored them to his discredit and ended losing to them.

So as great as he was, he WAS a fool to let the rebellion get so out of hand.

Let us remember that the rebellion started a few people; I think I'd be safe to say the majority of the Republic was happy with the transformation to the Empire because it DID give them security from any outside attackers; to lose that in disapproval and rebellion must take a lot of incorrect steps.

[DarthLazious]

So very true but its a shame he died cause he was the best Sith to ever exist since Darth Bane.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Did we ever see any evidence in the films that anyone was happy with the Empire? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

[Raganork8]

Did we ever see any evidence in the films that anyone was happy with the Empire? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

I just assume so; simply from the reaction of the Senate when the change was implemented.


then if we look at what "normal people" knew they MUST have been happy; it's an assumption yes but let's look at the facts:

Republic was at war and the capital was just attacked

their Chancellor was kidnapped

The Jedi's have betrayed them and attempted to murder the Chancellor

If I was not in the know I'd be happy too for the change; it meant that the army would be dispersed and protection would be more well rounded and we'd be safe with Palpatine protecting us as he did during the war and we won that!

So I think my assumption is...sound but, I could see someone arguing against it.

[DarthLazious]

But you have to admit he is the perfect mastermind behind everything in the whole Star Wars Saga.

[Raganork8]

perhaps; I chalk it up more to the force; his greatest achievement was Darth Vader; which in the end was his biggest mistake.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Yeah, I agree with that - but that was only the birth of the Empire - and that is where the film ends. Once we get to the OT films - was the Empire really well thought of? No character seems to like the Empire and presumably the officers under Vader are just living in fear. Just because more people didn't join the rebellion doesn't mean they supported the Empire, they were probably just scared. Not unlike resistance to the Nazi movement in WW2, I guess.

[Raganork8]

Yeah, I agree with that - but that was only the birth of the Empire - and that is where the film ends. Once we get to the OT films - was the Empire really well thought of? No character seems to like the Empire and presumably the officers under Vader are just living in fear. Just because more people didn't join the rebellion doesn't mean they supported the Empire, they were probably just scared. Not unlike resistance to the Nazi movement in WW2, I guess.


That's some time later...I'm just saying I doubt that by the next moment at the end of ROTS the Empire was hated.

It must have taken years; but, what I'm saying is that the approval rating must have been through the roof at birth; to lose that seems a bit impossible; he would have to do a lot of wrong (which we know he did) to lose the approval of the galaxy; for him to lose that seems slightly foolish and his overconfidence did him a big disservice.

If it were I I would have tried to make some people happy to avoid rebellion.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Yes, but he didn't want the approval of the galaxy - he was overconfident in his own power, he thought inwardly, only about himself. That was his main mistake. However, you would have thought that since he was aware that all those that have power fear to lose it, yeah, you would think he would have done more to keep people in the Empire happy. But presumably, powerful though he was, his insight wasn't strong enough to see his eventual downfall and he thought he was strong enough to rule by force. He just hadn't banked on whiny farm boys becoming heroes. :wink:

[Raganork8]

Yes, but he didn't want the approval of the galaxy - he was overconfident in his own power, he thought inwardly, only about himself. That was his main mistake. However, you would have thought that since he was aware that all those that have power fear to lose it, yeah, you would think he would have done more to keep people in the Empire happy. But presumably, powerful though he was, his insight wasn't strong enough to see his eventual downfall and he thought he was strong enough to rule by force. He just hadn't banked on whiny farm boys becoming heroes. :wink:

very true; which I was arguing why against him being the "greatest" sith Lord.

[DarthLazious]

I surpose you have a point there.

[Sargoth]

It must have taken years; but, what I'm saying is that the approval rating must have been through the roof at birth;



The birth of the Empire was met with "thunderous applause", so there is no argument to this point. If you look at history, every Republic that fell into dictatorship did so willingly. Democracy is slow, and at times of peril or stress, can appear to be corrupt and woefully inefficient, unable to respond to domestic concerns, or troubles abroad. In essence, it is fear that allows free people to give their trust to a "benevolent" dictator.

The Germans of the Weimar republic initially feared the economic ruin of post-Versailles Germany at home, and the fear of infiltration of Communists abroad. Once Hitler assumed power, those who would oppose his rule lived in fear of his SS.

Likewise, the Galactic Republic was in fear of the CIS abroad, and the Jedi at home. (The murder of the Separatists, his willing co-conspirators, can be directly compared with the Night of Long Knives.) Once Palpatine declared his empire, he used Vader and his vast military might to secure his control. The ultimate expression of this "rule through fear" philosophy was his Death Star.

[DarthLazious]

I agree.

[Raganork8]

The birth of the Empire was met with "thunderous applause", so there is no argument to this point. If you look at history, every Republic that fell into dictatorship did so willingly. Democracy is slow, and at times of peril or stress, can appear to be corrupt and woefully inefficient, unable to respond to domestic concerns, or troubles abroad. In essence, it is fear that allows free people to give their trust to a "benevolent" dictator.

The Germans of the Weimar republic initially feared the economic ruin of post-Versailles Germany at home, and the fear of infiltration of Communists abroad. Once Hitler assumed power, those who would oppose his rule lived in fear of his SS.

Likewise, the Galactic Republic was in fear of the CIS abroad, and the Jedi at home. (The murder of the Separatists, his willing co-conspirators, can be directly compared with the Night of Long Knives.) Once Palpatine declared his empire, he used Vader and his vast military might to secure his control. The ultimate expression of this "rule through fear" philosophy was his Death Star.

I just said that...no?

[DarthLazious]

I think you did.

[Erick Landrider]

As Luke stated; his overconfidence was his weakness; he either didn't predict a rebellion of that strength or did and ignored them to his discredit and ended losing to them.

So as great as he was, he WAS a fool to let the rebellion get so out of hand.



I think that's a fair assessment. I would hold that Palpatine foresaw (even allowed) the Rebel Alliance. Palpatine's skill has always seemed very chess-like; thinking a dozen moves ahead of where he is at. He's certainly manipulated his enemies to do his dirty work before (CIS). He also used the Force to predict or foresee of future events.

In terms of using the Rebellion, there were ultimately variables he failed to consider (or simply underestimated). Ben and Yoda were still in hiding, planning against him. He was ignorant that Luke and Leia were ever born.

...and correct me if I'm wrong but in "Force Unleashed"...SPOILER...isn't it implied that Vader pushed to create the Rebellion in an effort to over throw Palpatine?

Again, as Luke said, "overconfidence" was Palpatine's weakness and his ultimate fatal flaw.