Couple of questions to Expanded Universe experts

[Reco]

Hello Everyone

This is my first post on the Senate.

I am a long time Star Wars movies fan, and recently got introduced to the Expanded Universe ( I have a hard time calling it EU, since EU for me means something else). Anyway, I starting reading all the books and comics on publish order, not chronologic order on the content.

But I have a couple of questions that I would like to know if they have been anwsered on any Expanded Universe material.

1) Who paid for the Clone Army, thta should have been absurdly expensive, and how it was assembled, I mean the Kaminoans created the clones but where all those ships and equipment came from? Is there a book or comic explaning all that?

2) When Luke starts to recruit and train new Jedi, does he follows the old Jedis code or does it create a new set of rules, specialy regarding wedding?

3) Is there a list of material that are 100% in continuaty, I mean that does not have any inconsistency with other material? I am asking that because if a book has some inconsistency with that was established later on the Prequels or new books, I would like to avoid them.

Thanks,
Reco

[Darth Massacrus]

hey there! Darth Massacrus, self-styled EU database, will help you!


1) Count Dooku, for the most part. As he was the heir to the Countship of the planet Serenno, and along with that one of the largest fortunes in the galaxy, he could easily have financed the construction of the Clone Army, and the initial wave of Acclamators and other vehicles/vessels that would be the military of the Republic. In fact, the novel Labyrinth of Evil reveals as much in Dooku's private thoughts (it also shows how he could have bought the alliegance of any number of Senators, but that Dooku would never stoop to being the lord of a garbage pile). In addition, Darth Sidious/Palpatine, who had control of both the Sith and whatever assets they had and of the entire bureuocracy of the Republic; could easily have shifted funds around the galaxy for whatever needed to be financed. But getting back to the clones, it is known that Jango Fett trained the earliest clones, who in turn trained later clones.

Hope this helps. I'll get back to you on your other questions soon.

[Cydon]

EU database my ass! Just kidding. He is the expert-expert here.

:welcome:

2. The New Jedi Order and Dark Nest Crisis deal with that. Theres plenty of conflict between the old Jedi Code. He does start a new one. Though I'm sure on the marriage subject.

3. I've looked, and can't seem to find one.

[Konig15]

Hey Reco, I'll try to answer your questions:

1) Who paid for the Clone Army, thta should have been absurdly expensive, and how it was assembled, I mean the Kaminoans created the clones but where all those ships and equipment came from? Is there a book or comic explaning all that?

With all due respect to Senor Massacrus, I think Dooku funidng the clone amries would raise too many questions. It's likely the Jedi paid for the clones without knowing as Master Dyas was responsible for ordering them.



2) When Luke starts to recruit and train new Jedi, does he follows the old Jedis code or does it create a new set of rules, specialy regarding wedding?

No he does not: he allows and even enourages relationships to kep people away from the Dark Side. However, as more of the Jedi lore is discovered, the mosre the new order begins to look like the old, more's the pity.

3) Is there a list of material that are 100% in continuaty, I mean that does not have any inconsistency with other material? I am asking that because if a book has some inconsistency with that was established later on the Prequels or new books, I would like to avoid them.

Well, Glove of Darth Vader comes close to that. The Prince Ken series, which might be the same thing, is also considered non cannon as it's various components and characters are never mentioned again. However, the Star Wars EU is so action oriented that it's difficult to get a hisotry going of anykind and the structure is loose enough to allow just about anything to happen and the author can get away with it.

Hope that helps.

[Braden Dar]

Let me add my two bits, shall I...

Question number one I'll leave alone, as I haven't waded into the Prequel era stuff much. Though I'm certain that Episodes II and III dealt with some of that answer.

Question number two: Luke did not know much about the old Jedi Codes, and thus he had to do things however he could while recruiting new Jedi apprentices. For one thing, no more "one master, one pupil." Luke took on a bunch of pupil's at one time. He also found pupil's that were already adults, instead of starting them out when they were little bitty children. Later, Luke and Mara Jade would get together, thus showing Luke's complete reversal of the old Jedi Code on intimate relationships ad marriage. I beleive the consensus is that Luke felt the old method of detachment from personal feelings and relationships drove too many Jedi to cover up these very things, aiding in turning some of them to the Dark Side.
But again, in many cases Luke just didn't have any information on what the Republic-era Jedi did, or how their daily lives were lived. He had to make it all up as he went along. And for that, he worked hard and tirelessly to establish a fluid and living method of finding, training and teaching new apprentices. While he had failures, he had great successes, as well.

Now question number three...the problem with this is that so much was written before Lucas invented the Prequels, and it was written by human authors who are prone to make mistakes. Take Zahn's reknowned Thrawn Trilogy as an example. Zahn used the best information he had, including bits from Lucas (in various forms, but not usually as conversations with Lucas), and when the Prequels came along bits and pieces from his novels were ruined. Zahn had the Clone Wars occuring about fifty years before we enter the story with the original Star Wars (now known as Episode IV). The Prequels changed all of that by having the Clone Wars happen about twenty years before the original Star Wars.
Kevin J. Anderson's popular Jedi Academy Trilogy has Luke seeking out and recruiting new apprentices, and training them on Yavin IV (where the Rebel base had been). KJA did not know at the time that Lucas would place a Jedi Temple on Coruscant, destroy most of it, and have specific rules on how Jedi were to be found and the methods of training. Of course, I think KJA would have stayed with what he had just to show that Luke wouldn't have been able to find the needed documents and information to follow the old ways.
Other various authors have bits and pieces that have likewise been made out-of-continuity due to the Prequels or due to a higher-Canon level product coming out.
One way to look at it is like this, a solid author writes a well received novel or series. Lucas comes out in an interview a few years later (having never even read the novel[s]) and tells the media that something completely different occurs and features different characters in the events. The author's work is now considered "trumped" by Lucas, since he is the definative source and can change anything on a whim (see the Special Editions).

So, there is almost nothing free of contradiction or controversy at some level. Certainly nothing featuring an appearance by Derek "Hobbie" Klivian (he actually died in the novelization of 'Empire Strikes Back'). :scratchchin:

[Darth Massacrus]

Konig, BD, Reco: actually, Dooku DID pay for the Clone Army, but made certain that the payments could not be traced (ie., they led into a 'maze of deception' as Yoda told Obi-Wan in Labyrinth of Evil). Sifo Dyas did indeed place the order for the Clone Army, but at Chancellor Palpatines secret request, who later sent his new apprentice Dooku to murder Sifo/Dyas and take over the Clone Army for thier own purposes. Dooku did so, and with the murder of his friend Sifo-Dyas, Sidious bestowed upon Dooku the Sith name Darth Tyrannus (the name Tyrannus became an alias Dooku would frequently use). Read Labyrinth of Evil, it is a gooood book.

Now for Reco's #2 question: Because the Jedi Order that Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader destroyed was built upon the remnants of the Jedi Order left over from the Great Sith War, Mandalorian Wars, Jedi Civil War, and Darth Traya's purge (during the courses of which much, if not most knowledge was lost), Luke's New Jedi Order was the third such order to exist, and had two previous incarnations to draw inspiration from. This is evidenced by the fact that his order allowed multiple apprentices per instructor, and multiple instructors per apprentice, something done out of necessity and to emulate the older, more ancient Jedi order, which the Order of Kenobi and Yoda rarely did. Also, the allowing of Jedi to marry and form relationships was something borrowed from the older order, but many of the teachings that Lukes New Order practiced came from the newer Jedi Order (as did some of its members, like Ikrit and Kam Solusar). Basically, Luke incorporated the better aspects of both previous Jedi Orders into his own, and drew inspiration from each.

[sithewok]

I agree with Massacrus.

[Master Magnus]

1) Who paid for the Clone Army, thta should have been absurdly expensive,
Dooku mostly paid for the Clone Army (ref: Labyrinth of Evil). Dooku was one of the wealthiest persons in the galaxy and used the family fortune to pay for the clone army (ref. Revenge of the Sith novelization).

and how it was assembled, I mean the Kaminoans created the clones but where all those ships and equipment came from? Is there a book or comic explaning all that?
The equipment for the clone army was initially manufactured by Rothana Heavy Engineering (RHE), an industrial world and a subsidiary of Kuat Drive Yards (which later manufactured the Imperial Star Destroyers) by a subcontract from the Kaminoans (ref. Attack of the Clones: Incredible Cross-Sections). It's highly probable that RHE in turn did some subcontracting themselves.

3) Is there a list of material that are 100% in continuaty, I mean that does not have any inconsistency with other material? I am asking that because if a book has some inconsistency with that was established later on the Prequels or new books, I would like to avoid them.

Thanks,
Reco
Almost everything published is C-canon (continuity canon) together with the G-canon (George Lucas canon). Exceptions are the Infinties and some really old comics.

[Reco]

Thanks for all the information, they were quite good :)

One thing that I still find strange is Dokuu paying for the whole clone arm and equipement thing, I mean that army would be extremely expensive, if he had all that fortune he could just buy an army of that size for himself and conquer the galaxy alone. Or even better, why bother with war, with that amount of money he can buy as many worlds as he wants.

Also how many rich people are there in the galaxy, than can just buy an army of that size and conquer all planets?

I was hoping that somewhere on the EU there were a better explanation, like severall planets combining their whole wealthy to finance this army, or something like that, but one single man..... for me it still sounds strange, I dont buy it. :yoda:

Regards,
Reco