"...the world's worst cinematic travesty ever"

[Wild Karde 66]

Was just reading the CNN.com best and worst movie battles and had to laugh when reading this....

"And in the world's worst cinematic travesty ever, Qui-Gon Jinn dies; Jar Jar Binks doesn't. Life just ain't fair."

And while it was necessary for Qui-Gon to die, that statement is so true. Liam really nailed being a Jedi and it would have been awesome for him to survive for the entire prequel.

Any thoughts?

[Sarah-Leia]

I certainly want Qui-Gon in the prequels. No more thoughts tonight, my brain stopped working.

[RollaFett]

I agree, to a point. In hindsight, it might've been better if Sam Jackson played the Qui-Gon role and died, while Liam played the Mace Windu role and was in all 3 films. Why? Well, I thought that Jackson was really flat throughout the PT, and as you point out, Liam nailed his part.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

I thought both actors were spot on. Jar Jar was there for the kids, I don't like him, but each time I watch TPM he becomes less important. I wouldn't change it.

[T-bone]

Qui-Gon got the shaft. Literally.

[Kam Solusar]

Ba-dum-dum.

Would have been nice to have Qui-Gon around for longer, but then again, I think he was supposed to be what the Jedi were supposed to be...him dying was not only required, but kind of symbolic.

[Miasmo]

I think he played a similar role to what Obiwan did in ANH, and he died in his debut as well. Unfortunately, Quigon did not return as a ghost, which I thought would have been a nice parallel to the OT.

[Wild Karde 66]

Ba-dum-dum.

Would have been nice to have Qui-Gon around for longer, but then again, I think he was supposed to be what the Jedi were supposed to be...him dying was not only required, but kind of symbolic.

Excellent point - he was the only jedi that we were aware of that was willing to think outside the jedi dogma box. He knew the storm was coming - hell, he said so, albiet symbolically with the Tatooine sand storm. He probably would have been the one - living in the moment instead of looking into the cloudy future - to focus on the storm at hand.

Therefore, he had to die - required and symbolic.

[Solo]

I still wish he lived longer. I don't know, the way he spoke, the way he acted, he was more Jedilike than anybody else. Since I am a person who does not like rules and councils very much, Qui Gon was my hero. I really felt sad and surprised when he died.

[RollaFett]

Well, I wasn't surprised, unfortunately, due to seeing a copy of TPM soundtrack and the title "Qui-Gon's Funeral" on the package. GRRRR!!!! That annoyed the hell out of me.

[Mothman]

Well, I wasn't surprised, unfortunately, due to seeing a copy of TPM soundtrack and the title "Qui-Gon's Funeral" on the package. GRRRR!!!! That annoyed the hell out of me.

Yeah, that was a dead giveaway (if you pardon the pun). I, too, saw the soundtrack listing for TPM before I saw the film, so that irritated me. Although, that's not as bad as when I found a copy of an ESB comic book available the day before Episode V opened. Of course I bought it and read it and have wished I hadn't ever since, because I went into the theater already knowing the "I am your father" line. Double-GRRRR!!!!



:bye:

[thepepgal]

Since Obi Wan dies in the Ep 4 and then makes brief appearances as a ghost for the rest of OT.

Basically Qui Gon was the "Obi Wan Kenobi" of the PT. Dies in the 1st, is heard in the 2nd (albeit via using lines from the first) and mentioned in the 3rd to explain how Obi Wan would survive after death.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, that was a dead giveaway (if you pardon the pun). I, too, saw the soundtrack listing for TPM before I saw the film, so that irritated me. Although, that's not as bad as when I found a copy of an ESB comic book available the day before Episode V opened. Of course I bought it and read it and have wished I hadn't ever since, because I went into the theater already knowing the "I am your father" line. Double-GRRRR!!!!



:bye:

Wow. As bad as being spoiled to Qui-Gon's death, not being able to fully appreciate Vader's revelation in ESB easily takes the cake. That must've sucked.

[Darth Massacrus]

Really, Episode 1 is the WORST cinematic travesty ever??? Has anyone at CNN ever heard of Plan 9, or Ishtar, or Gigli?

[Mothman]

Wow. As bad as being spoiled to Qui-Gon's death, not being able to fully appreciate Vader's revelation in ESB easily takes the cake. That must've sucked.


That it did!




:bye:

[Orandhite]

I personnally wish the droid army had succeeded and the ENTIRE Gungan race had been wiped out. They were shockingly bad.

[Fish1941]

The world's worst cinematic travesty?

Han and Leia's argument about Luke in "RETURN OF THE JEDI".

[VADERGOTH]

id say creating jar jar binks

[Lord Tesla]

The world's worst cinematic travesty?

Han and Leia's argument about Luke in "RETURN OF THE JEDI".


No, no, no--if you want a contender for The World's Worst Cinematic Travesty from Return of the Jedi, you need only one word (which is shockingly thus far absent from this thread...): Ewoks.

Han and Leia's argument pales next to the perpetration of those self-propelled bathmats on the eager fans.

Gungans were a delight by comparison...

[lovelucas]

doing moguls skiing downhill in Hades - I agree with Tesla twice in the same day!

Ewoks - concept is fantastic - size matters not and conquering state of the art technology with caveman tools...but...

maudlin - and Leia's interaction with Wicket on the bog - sticky ooey gooey - and some of the worst acting in the saga -

Saturday night at the disco dancing at the fini with Rebel pilots, etc....again....maudlin, embarrassing. silly even.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, the Ewoks did pretty much suck. Too bad Lucas thought to use them instead of the originally planned Wookiees, huh?

[Raganork8]

The world's worst cinematic travesty?

Han and Leia's argument about Luke in "RETURN OF THE JEDI".

I agree :yoda:

[Orandhite]

"Jar Jar makes the Ewoks look like :censored:ing Shaft!"

[Lord Tesla]

Yeah, the Ewoks did pretty much suck. Too bad Lucas thought to use them instead of the originally planned Wookiees, huh?

To bad, indeed. I don't think ROTJ would have been half as disappointing, had he not skimped and given us those halved-Wookiees instead.

[Lord Tesla]

"Jar Jar makes the Ewoks look like :censored:ing Shaft!"

A quote, but from...where?

And it's not an apt comparison. Jar Jar is but one Gungan. The Ewoks are a race or species if you prefer, of which every last single member sucks, and which sucks collectively. The Gungans, on the other hand, are several cuts above the pathetic antics of Binks (and way above the Ewoks). They aren't prone to worship prissy protocol droids as gods, for one thing. They have an advanced and self-sustaining civilization. They have a proper army. Technically, as visuals, they are vastly superior to the Ewoks, as well. No zippers. Their eyes move, blink, etc. Their mouths sync with their words. And they do not seem to further George Lucas's seeming obsession with Little People. (If that's still the correct euphemism).

[Raganork8]

I don't see what the big thing about the Ewoks is?

Sure they weren't as cool as Wookies; but, at the same time they were effective and weren't that corny. I still look at the Endor battle as a very well done piece of the movie and if anything, I thought it didn't get enough time at some points.

They were cute, some of them look vaguely like my puppies and they were also cute Warriors.

it's like the Moogles in Final Fantasy, they're seen as cute and cuddly but they're warriors.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

As far as I am concerned nothing in SW is "the world's worst cinematic travesty ever." I think people have to remember that not every species in the galaxy can be as cool, or as intelligent, or as interesting as each other. I mean, you could apply that to the Senators here! :nahnah: It takes allsorts - and that is what we get in the GFFA. Incidentally, each time I see TPM, I hate Jar Jar less...........

[Raganork8]

As far as I am concerned nothing in SW is "the world's worst cinematic travesty ever." I think people have to remember that not every species in the galaxy can be as cool, or as intelligent, or as interesting as each other. I mean, you could apply that to the Senators here! :nahnah: It takes allsorts - and that is what we get in the GFFA. Incidentally, each time I see TPM, I hate Jar Jar less...........


I agree, I understand why people dislike Jar Jar; but, I kinda enjoy him a little now.

there's that part in TPM when Jar Jar gets his snout between the power couplings and 3P0 says

"you know I find that Jar Jar character rather...odd."


I always laugh at that

[Orandhite]

A quote, but from...where?

And it's not an apt comparison. Jar Jar is but one Gungan. The Ewoks are a race or species if you prefer, of which every last single member sucks, and which sucks collectively. The Gungans, on the other hand, are several cuts above the pathetic antics of Binks (and way above the Ewoks). They aren't prone to worship prissy protocol droids as gods, for one thing. They have an advanced and self-sustaining civilization. They have a proper army. Technically, as visuals, they are vastly superior to the Ewoks, as well. No zippers. Their eyes move, blink, etc. Their mouths sync with their words. And they do not seem to further George Lucas's seeming obsession with Little People. (If that's still the correct euphemism).


It's from a UK sitcom called "Spaced" which is a very funny and clever little show from the blond guy (Simon Pegg) who is in "Shaun of the Dead" and "Hot Fuzz".

The Gungan leader spits everywhere when he speaks, when he manages that.

The Ewoks at least resulted in some emotion other than relief that they had not graced the screen for the last five seconds. In ROtJ when the Ewok tries to get his friend up after an explosion and he is all limp is one of the most gut wrenching bits of the movie! Where does that happen with the Gungans? The Gungans are in that movie for only one reason - comedy - and they are not that funny.

[lovelucas]

The Gungans are in that movie for only one reason - comedy - and they are not that funny
I agree they're not funny - funny is Jar Jar. The Gundans are in TPM to illustrate that there was a class differerence between them and the land-dwellers on Naboo, but they united together to conquer a common enemy. Actually the only two elements that saved Naboo were Anakin's heroics and the Gundans fighting against the mechanical army of the Separatists - Anakin needed that extra time they provided.

but Boss Nass.......him, I don't understand. Why the choice to make him physically so repugnant? I always think of the Tom Hanks pooch (Turner and Hooch) where he slobbers everywhere.

flashing to Anakin's aversion to sand.....it gets everywhere.

[jedimasterElizabeth]

:w00t:Gungan? Being funny?

I think that Palpatine is much more funnier than Jar-Jar.

[Darill Cyllem]

but Boss Nass.......him, I don't understand. Why the choice to make him physically so repugnant? I always think of the Tom Hanks pooch (Turner and Hooch) where he slobbers everywhere.

And i never really got why the 2 Gungans with the most screen time - Jar-Jar and Boss Nass - have speech mannerisms that make them sound... to my ear... mentally substandard (I'm not saying they are, just that their Basic is... odd). Captain Trapals didn't sound weird to me - accented, Gungan, sure, but not nearly as annoying to me as Jar-Jar. :giveup:

[Orandhite]

The Gungans are in that movie for only one reason - comedy - and they are not that funny
I agree they're not funny - funny is Jar Jar. The Gundans are in TPM to illustrate that there was a class differerence between them and the land-dwellers on Naboo, but they united together to conquer a common enemy. Actually the only two elements that saved Naboo were Anakin's heroics and the Gundans fighting against the mechanical army of the Separatists - Anakin needed that extra time they provided.

but Boss Nass.......him, I don't understand. Why the choice to make him physically so repugnant? I always think of the Tom Hanks pooch (Turner and Hooch) where he slobbers everywhere.

flashing to Anakin's aversion to sand.....it gets everywhere.

Good point, what I meant was that the characters themselves were included for humour value (and failed miserably). The actual race of the Gungans was important for exactly the reasons you stated. :yes:

And i never really got why the 2 Gungans with the most screen time - Jar-Jar and Boss Nass - have speech mannerisms that make them sound... to my ear... mentally substandard (I'm not saying they are, just that their Basic is... odd). Captain Trapals didn't sound weird to me - accented, Gungan, sure, but not nearly as annoying to me as Jar-Jar. :giveup:

Agreed. Take Yoda for example - he speaks in a disjointed fashion, but he doesn't sound like a simpleton. And what is with all this "Mesir, yousir" rubbish!

[Jedi Master Harrison]

^ There were many sentinents in the galaxy and all of them had different abilities to speak basic, partly based on physical make-up. Humans would sound all wrong trying to speak Huttese or Wookiee.

Just sayin' - personally I did find it hard to understand what they were saying at times and thought that their accents could have been altered to be more easily comprehendable whilst still retaining their more primitive basis.

[Darill Cyllem]

Just sayin' - personally I did find it hard to understand what they were saying at times and thought that their accents could have been altered to be more easily comprehendable whilst still retaining their more primitive basis.
Yep, my point exactly :yes:
Captain Tarpals was well, done, i thought - Jar-Jar and Boss Nass? Not so much.

IMO.