The Cave is Collapsing!

[bodhisattva yoda]

it seems to me that the scene where han, leia and chewy actually get out of the falcon to explore the 'cave' within the asteroid in empire is pretty illogical. firstly, why is there solid gravity to hold to the ground? secondly, even though they're wearing oxygen masks, why wouldn't they just explode since they're essentially in the vaccuum of space? does anyone have any answers?

[mace]

That is an excellent point, bodhisattva. I guess the gravity can be somewhat explained by the fact that it was a large asteroid--so it would in fact have some gravitational field. But they should have been bouncing up and down like when we see the astronauts walking on Earth's moon. That kind of brings up the point that every planet we ever see in the movies must be almost exactly the same mass as Earth--they always seem to have the same gravitational field.

It's kind of a stretch, but I guess if we want to come up with an explanation for everything in the movies, we could say the asteroid was made of some incredibly dense material, so its mass was actually similar to Earth's. And then that could mean that the asteroid also had some sort of atmosphere as well. Or even if the asteroid itself didn't have much of an atmostphere, somehow the air pressure inside the stomach of the asteroid creature was enough to make them survive.

If we want to get into the physics of Star Wars, how is it that we can hear things blow up in the vaccuum of space?

[SonGokou]

Yes, a good point but there is a flaw: Star Wars is a mytholical tale. It's not Star "recalaborate the thingy and use the tachion-beam to get out of an eniscapable scenario-every episode" Trek. Science plays no part. If it did, how does it explain the Holiday Special? :sarcasm:

[bodhisattva yoda]

still, they didn't know they were in the space slug. about hearing sound in space, i always thought of it as a mic picking up sounds directly from the ship engines, blasters, what have you. perhaps the ships have some sort of sound-capture technology that's beyond current science. or something. but... empire is my favorite star wars film, it's just that that particular sequence always bothered me. oh, as for all the planets in the galaxy seemingly having the same atmosphere and gravity, i figure those are just the planets colonized by humans. perhaps it's possible to engineer a planet's environment and whatnot. dunno. this astroid problem seems the hardest to justify to me. i did have a thought that whatever techological force keeping the falcon grounded could have a sort of gravitational field that works on everything within a certain proximity. ah well.

[bodhisattva yoda]

and yes, i understand that it's pure fantasy, but with the sci-fi aspect, it's difficult not to try to justify the physics of it all.

[LukeJWalker]

about the sound thing i always though that those are the sounds herd inside the spacecraft. but they show an external view.

[SonGokou]

That's the beauty of Star Wars; you watch it for the story, characters, music and effects. I can't honestly say I've sat down, watched it and wondered "why do Jawas eyes glow?", "why is Threepio so camp", "where are leias boobs?".
Okay, except for the last one (yes, we know - they were taped down), thats why I prefer it over all the other sci-fi tripe that use technology as opposed to characters to progress the story. And if that means Chewie and co. can walk into the lungs of a space worm (?) than so be it.

[Rogue_0009]

While we're on stuff that bugs us about this sequence, HOW THE HECK DID MYNOCKS GET IN THERE?!?!?!?!

I really want to know

[Djinn_Altis]

Well. ROGUE_0009

Mynocks are a silicoln based life form that are nourished by stellar radiatio, and they also absorb silicoln and other minerals from asteroids and space debris. As for how they get inside the space slug... the space slug eats them.


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[bodhisattva yoda]

i should petition the use of EU references. EU is not star wars, i don't care what anyone says. these EU authors should come up with their own damn ideas. i must say though, the existence of the mynocks doesn't bother me so much just because they aren't terrestrial creatures, like the space slug. their anotomy isn't really in question. it's the physics that concern me.

[SonGokou]

I always thought Han and co. landed in the lungs of the slug, surely a stomach or such a creature would be a little more than acidic. So if the space slug did eat the Mynocs, why are they in his lungs? Did they take a wrong turn on the way down? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[darthfool]

"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away . . ."

George Lucas
I knew from the beginning that I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale. I really thought I needed to establish from the start that this was a completely made up world so that I could do anything I wanted.

[Djinn_Altis]

SonGokou,

That also bothered me, but space slugs also absorb minerals so they may not have a "stomach" per say.

[houtex73]

songoku......you have to look at it from another aspect ...the space slug inside the asteriod...mynoks inside the slug...kinda like a fish in the sea ...the baby fish go in there when danger is around...or you could look at it like the whatcha macallits that swim around with the sharks for a free ride...they have been known to go inside the shark to get some food....all in all i do agree with you about the gravity...even on an asteriod you would have no gravity unless it is spinning at some ungodly rate then the falcon couldnt have landed in there .....the physics is off...and if you wanna get real technical i mean down to the T..... In ESB when luke goes to degaboah if the gravity pull there was the same yoda would have been crushed with is lite frame or luke should have had no problem training there..just my two cents let me know what you think

[DblDwn]

OK everyone, three words: Science Fiction/Fantasy.

If you want realism watch Saving Private Ryan, The Deerhunter, Raging Bull, Dog Day Afternoon, or any other movie that is realistic either through fiction or non-fiction.

When you watch Star Wars, Spiderman, Tron, ET, Willow, or any other movie that is Science Fiction and/or Fantasy, you have to be able to suspend disbelief and enjoy it as entertaining, not factually accurate.

[TorynFarr]

whats always bothered me about that scene is the blinding light at the top of the 'cave' as the falcon enters the slug. where does that come from??


and yeh, i kno, its not supposed to be realistic, but its still fun to ponder. ;)

[Obidobi]

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Like others I can only say that SW is pure fantasy!!
We have to unlearn what we have learned !

And everything is possible in our fantasy and dreams, so breathing in space or hear things in space is no problem in a fantasy world. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by TorynFarr@July 09 2002 - 22:23
and yeh, i kno, its not supposed to be realistic, but its still fun to ponder. *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
And I would encourage you to ponder away since that is the entire purpose of doing this. I was just simply making a point to all the people who spent way too much time over-analyzing everything about Star Wars and forget that it is meant to be for fun.

[wook]

Please see my posts in the "Attack of the Clowns" thread for more on this topic.

But why would a creature that lives in the vacuum of space have lungs?

[Vyndim]

And uhm, why is the "slug" itself still alive? Is it made up of some kind of tissue that is resistant to the vacuum of space? Why does it even have a mouth if it absorbs minerials etc. I think its something we really are not supposed to dwell on.

On a side note: Why do Jawa's eye's glow?

[DblDwn]

Calgon take me away.............we have all reached a new low when we are reduced to over-analyzing the existence of a slug in outer space. While we're at it let's get really out of control and discuss why Mini-Me doesn't die at the end of The Spy Who Shagged Me when he is jetisoned into space by Austin. I know, because it's a movie and is not intended to be taken seriously. If we're going to talk about this slug being able to live in space (because we are comparing it to what we take to be as 'real' from our own existence), let's also talk about how fake that whole 'Force' thing is. And don't even get me started on extra-terrestrial lifefoms interacting with humans. Unless Jar Jar is chilling out over at Area 51 of course.