Are the Royal Guards sort of like Dark Jedi

[Jedi Master 2k5]

Hey I was wondering if this rrumor was true that all the rouge jedi became royal guards?

[Rabid Whiphid]

That's an interesting idea but I don't think so, since the red Royal Guards were around as early as Ep2... you can see them guarding either side of the doors in Palpatine's office. Hard to see since they blend in to the red walls but they are there if you look.

If they had been rogue Jedis, Palpatine would not have wasted such a valuable resource, by keeping them as simple royal guards. He would have started training them in the Dark Side and turning them into Sith Lords.

So they are most likely just the same elite guardsmen who acted as Supreme Chancellor Vallorum's royal blue guards on Courascant in Ep1.

It was probably just a cosmetic decision on Palpatine's part to have them change the color of their uniforms from blue to red once he got elected Supreme Chancellor... Sith Lords seem to like red, after all.

It stands to reason that as the Clone Wars progressed and the Empire came into power (I'm guessing at some point either between Ep2 and Ep 3 or between Ep3 and Ep4) the human beings inside the Royal Guard uniforms were probably replaced with specially-trained clones... just to make sure they would remain completely loyal to Palpatine.

But of course, I'm just throwing my best guesses at you, based only on the info delivered in the movies. I'm not an EU fan so I have no idea what any EU material might say about this...

[Jedi Master 2k5]

But from what I hear in EU that the royal guards can feel and somewhat control the force,plus they wield force pikes.

[Rabid Whiphid]

But from what I hear in EU that the royal guards can feel and somewhat control the force,plus they wield force pikes.

That figures. The EU is always presenting us with new ideas that make little if any logistical sense.

[Konig15]

The Force Pikes are strictly cermionial from what I've read.

ANd the guards were selected for among other things, Force sensitivity, but it would be the Inquisitors and Hands and the Dark Jedi where the real Force talent would be sent too. Imperial Guards were glorified stormtroppers.

[bruciarsi]

If they were rogue jedi Palpatine wouldnt have trained them to be sith lords. The sith limit there numbers at that stage to just 2, 1 master 1 apprentice from what i understand.

I think they are probally a mix of extremly loyal troopers, force sensitives, and hard arses. It could possibly even a postion of privlage for sons of high ranking imperial officers.

[Cassus Fett]

^ What you going on about Sith for? Dark Jedi are different.

The Red Guard, nicknamed Redrobe, was a group of specially trained members of the Senate Guard. They were charged with the protection of Supreme Chancellor Palpatine prior to and during the Clone Wars. During the hunt for Darth Sidious, Mace Windu and Yoda suspected that the Dark Lord of the Sith might be among their number. Following Order 66, the Red Guard became the new Emperor's Royal Guard; however, their appearance and equipment changed little.
Unlike the Royal Guard, there is no indication that the Red Guard evolved out of the elite clone troopers and stormtroopers. Given how the Red Guard appeared independently and before the appearance of the Grand Army of the Republic, it seems that the Red Guard only gradually became the elite unit of the conventional military. However, like the Royal Guard, the Red Guard was not subject to senatorial oversight, and reported only to Chancellor Palpatine

The Senate Guard, sometimes called the Blue Guard, was an elite unit, stemming from the Republic Senate Guardsman of old, established to protect Senators, the Supreme Chancellor, and other ranking members and buildings of the Galactic Republic government. The Senate Guard was arranged into military-style units and held military-style ranks

[matthius]

But from what I hear in EU that the royal guards can feel and somewhat control the force,plus they wield force pikes.
there are examples of force sensitive red gaurds(i.e. crimson empire/carnor jax), and force pikes arent run or barely involve the force.

[Jedi Master 2k5]

But their skill with their force pikes can't be rivaled by anyone in the galaxy.

[Kam Solusar]

That could be a result of specialized training.

[Rabid Whiphid]

^ What you going on about Sith for? Dark Jedi are different.






Ugggg... The EU gives me a headache.

[Kam Solusar]

Only because you let it.

[Jedi Master 2k5]

Exactly

[Jedi Master 2k5]

They may have even been trained in the jedi arts.

[sharyntyre]

Zhan stated in Specters of the Past and Vissions of the Future that Tierce was a Royal Guardsman and that they were sent out mingling with Stormtrooper comandos and what not to keep them in fighting trim. Seems highly plausable that Stormies could be promoted to the RG.

I've not run across references of the RG being force sensitive at all,but it seems a stretch to me. Then again I've not read any of the novels about the old rep and stuff before ANH. I can not recall any references to Royal Guardsmen being force sensitive in the any of the stufff between ANH and NJO...well not counting young and jr Jedi books.

Originally Posted by Cassus Fett http://galacticsenate.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://galacticsenate.com/showthread.php?p=830960#post830960)
^ What you going on about Sith for? Dark Jedi are different.


I think many would argue that is a fine line.

[Kapit]

The Sith/Dark Jedi debate isn't too fine a line...

Dark Jedi tend to be Jedi that have fallen out of the Jedi Order and choose to embrace the Dark Side of the Force. They practice their own techniques, and exist in their own "group," if you will

Sith, on the other hand, have almost always been raised completely Sith, and thus have Sith names beginning with Darth, and there are special teachings that Sith know that a Dark Jedi never will. Also, the Dark Jedi don't have a Code as the Sith and Jedi do.

to put it in simple terms: Sith and Jedi are religions, Dark Jedi are a cult

[sharyntyre]

Ok I stand corrected, I forgot the sith mythology aspect, and was thinking simple terms of dark and light.

I still find it hard to swallow that some or all of the Royal Guardsmen are force sensitive.

[Jedi Master 2k5]

Yes they are force sensitive

[Cassus Fett]

read my post... its copied from the info provided on wookieepedia

[bruciarsi]

^ What you going on about Sith for? Dark Jedi are different.

because

If they had been rogue Jedis, Palpatine would not have wasted such a valuable resource, by keeping them as simple royal guards. He would have started training them in the Dark Side and turning them into Sith Lords.

[Jedi Master 2k5]

Not to mention Dark Jedi don't limit their numbers to 2

[Kapit]

Ok I stand corrected, I forgot the sith mythology aspect, and was thinking simple terms of dark and light.

I still find it hard to swallow that some or all of the Royal Guardsmen are force sensitive.




the overwhelming majority of Royal Guards are NOT Force Sensitive. There were a few, yes, but their sensitivity was pretty limited, like an enhanced Spidey-Sense, they weren't good enough to actual manipulate objects and things like that.

It makes sense that there would be a couple Force Sensitive Guards, as the Emperor does feel the need to be protected all the time, and I think the presence of Dark Jedi with him wouldn't be quite as imposing as the Royal Guard would be.

[Jedi Master 2k5]

True

[Darth Massacrus]

The Imperial Royal Guards were composed of the very best stormtroopers, all of whom had to meet certain requirements. Amongh these requirements were that the person be 1.83 meters, have latent Force Sensitivity, and be absolutely loyal to the Emperor. Those that survived training went on to become part of the Guard, and the very best of the Royal Guards could become Soveriegn Protectors. The very best Soveriegn Protectors could, with the proper Force sensitivity, become Dark Jedi.

[Jedi Master 2k5]

Good answer^^^^^

[sharyntyre]

^^what he said, good answer DM. A few force sensitive folk among them isn't impossible to believe. There was Mara and other 'agents' seems reasonable he'd have a few such stashed in his guards.

But that brings me the Question of why did he not have the best handful of those Cloned? not to mention what happened to those force sensitive men when Palpy died? Were most of them on the second deathstar? I am trying to recall any RG besides Major Tierce in the bantam books...

[Darth Massacrus]

At the time of the Endor Disaster, there were only about a half dozen to a dozen Royal Guardsmen aboard the second Death Star, so not too many were lost there. Some of the Guard was serving out rotations in the stormtrooper legions (all did at one point in order to stay fighting fit), some were on Byss guarding the Emperors stuff there, yet more were stationed on Imperial Center, still yet more would have been on Yinchorr (were the guards trained), and others would have been protecting important Imperials across the Galaxy (after all, they did that too). Also, iy is likely that Emperor Palpatine did clone a few Guardsmen, as there really wouldnt have been many better choices for future stormtrooper templates.

[Kapit]

About cloning Guardsmen...Palpy's cloning work didn't involve the Kaminoans, he has his own system with Spaarti Cylinders, and those Force Sensitive beings he did clone ended up going insane

[Cassus Fett]

At the time of the Endor Disaster, there were only about a half dozen to a dozen Royal Guardsmen aboard the second Death Star, so not too many were lost there. Some of the Guard was serving out rotations in the stormtrooper legions (all did at one point in order to stay fighting fit), some were on Byss guarding the Emperors stuff there, yet more were stationed on Imperial Center, still yet more would have been on Yinchorr (were the guards trained), and others would have been protecting important Imperials across the Galaxy (after all, they did that too). Also, iy is likely that Emperor Palpatine did clone a few Guardsmen, as there really wouldnt have been many better choices for future stormtrooper templates.

A few were also with Imperial Warlords, just after the battle of endor.

[Darth Massacrus]

Casus: I can only think of one Royal Guardsman ever leaving Imperial service. And I cannot recall any instances in which any of the Guard fell in with warlords. Whoever held Imperial Center was to whom the Guard served, as exemplified by Sate Pestage and Ysanne Isard. Granted, a few of the guard allied with The Coalition of Grand Moffs and Trioculus, but had every reason to do so, as the Grand Moffs still represented Imperial Authority and Trioculus was widely believed to be none other than the son of the man to whom the Guard ultimately answered: Palpatine. Now before you bring up the 4 Guards behind the Shadow Academy, it should be noted that by that time The Empire was dead, replaced by a post-Byss Imperial Remnant.

[Jedi Master 2k5]

TRUE