Ever wonder?

[bruciarsi]

What happened to the two gunners that didnt shoot the escape pod in New Hope? Did the empire ever put 2 and 2 together and think that them not shooting the escape pod cost them an entire death star down the road?
Its probally just me but i like to think about these off shoot storylines.

[Fish1941]

I noticed that during the Battle of Yavin, most of the pilots were killed. Yet, during the medal ceremony at the end of ANH, there were a lot of pilots present. So . . . what happened to them during the battle?:blink:

[melissa_ladyvader]

i have a question in return of the jedi when anakin/vader and luke are fighting...when vader found out by his senses that leia was his daughter when he said "obi-wan was wise to hide her from me, now his failure is complete"...what did he mean by that?

[Kam Solusar]

bru...I've wondered that myself sometimes. I figure Vader would have a field day with those two.

Fish...more pilots than ships available on Yavin 4? Reinforcements that arrived later?

mellisa...I'd think it'd be rather self-explanatory. For one, Vader sees things in a different perspective than we do. Evidenced by his constant assertions that "Obi-Wan taught you well." He doesn't allow for the fact that anyone else could have influenced Luke (including himself). Not to mention that Vader has a pathological need for Obi-Wan TOO fail, it validates his existence.

However, those Vader-centric psychological reasons aside, it's just another jab to make Luke lose control.

[Blizzard]

What happened to the two gunners that didnt shoot the escape pod in New Hope? Did the empire ever put 2 and 2 together and think that them not shooting the escape pod cost them an entire death star down the road?
Its probally just me but i like to think about these off shoot storylines.Some day someone will write, "Tales from the Death Star" and we will find this out. They probably went back to the Death Star... where everyone died!

i have a question in return of the jedi when anakin/vader and luke are fighting...when vader found out by his senses that leia was his daughter when he said "obi-wan was wise to hide her from me, now his failure is complete"...what did he mean by that?I took it to mean that Obi-Wan failed to kill Anakin originally, he failed to kill him on the first Death Star, and now he had failed to keep Anakin's children from him, or teach them how to destroy him.

[Kam Solusar]

Oh, I got one...

Ever wonder why Chewie lets Han "pet" him? In ANH, when they come out of the smuggling compartments. When Chewie sticks his head out and howls, Han pets him like he's a domesticated animal. I mean, it was probably just an impulse thing by Harrison Ford, but it seems weird that Chewie would tolerate that kind of treatment, even from Han.

[Blizzard]

Luke scratches him on the neck, too. Like a dog.

[Miasmo]

It's probably also kind of the equivalent of a pat on the back.

Concerning the first question, Vader's got a temper. Those two were probably dealt with. I don't know a lot about the tech side of things, but I'm thinking that the pod was recorded flying by, visually or by other means, and thus their inaction was recorded as well. Then again, maybe they also managed to keep their mistake hidden. Also, Vader may have been just too busy to check into that.

[melissa_ladyvader]

ooh i have one more question and this is something i still dont understand

in return of the jedi when luke asks leia about her "real mother"

who was she really talking about?...padme or breha???

because in episide 3 i never saw leia look at padme..and when bail organa brought her to alderaan leia stared and blinked her eyes at breha.......

but george lucas has said that he wanted leia to have a memory of her birth mother....yeah but how does she remember "padme" being her birth remember.....she leia said "she was very beautiful, sad but kind" i thought of padme right away....but other people have said she was mistaken breha as "padme".......i dont know can someone help me understand more better?

[thepepgal]

ooh i have one more question and this is something i still dont understand

in return of the jedi when luke asks leia about her "real mother"

who was she really talking about?...padme or breha???

because in episide 3 i never saw leia look at padme..and when bail organa brought her to alderaan leia stared and blinked her eyes at breha.......

but george lucas has said that he wanted leia to have a memory of her birth mother....yeah but how does she remember "padme" being her birth remember.....she leia said "she was very beautiful, sad but kind" i thought of padme right away....but other people have said she was mistaken breha as "padme".......i dont know can someone help me understand more better?

You, yourself have actually started a thread on this very question. Here is the link to it.

http://www.galacticsenate.com/showthread.php?t=13791

Didn't you find an answer you were looking for in it? :scratchchin:

[melissa_ladyvader]

ooooh lol im sorry!!!...i totally forgot about that

but i, myself still dont understand.......................

[Kam Solusar]

What exactly about it don't you understand?

[Jedi Master Harrison]

I wonder who the Jedi was who threw lightsabers to Obi-Wan and Anakin just before the battle in the arena on Geonosis? I'm sure someone here will be able to shed some light on it for me?

[Kam Solusar]

Ever wonder why scout walkers (AT-ST's) are so easy to explode? Crush it? It explodes. Trip it? It explodes.

[Blizzard]

The empire was so worried about power they created quite a few crappy vehicles.

The Death Star was easily blown up, too, if you remember. :)

[Kam Solusar]

The empire was so worried about power they created quite a few crappy vehicles.

The Death Star was easily blown up, too, if you remember. :)

Hehe. Well, not quite as easy, but I see what you mean.

Also, at the revised endings to RotJ, when they get to Coruscant's celebration, the Jedi Temple is clear in the background. Ever wonder why they didn't knock that thing down? You figure Palpatine and Vader would have gotten everything they needed from it by that point.

[melissa_ladyvader]

i think it would have been more better if luke remembered padme

because in episode 3...padme touched his face....she never touched leia.....

dont u agree??

i dont understand that leia remembers padme but luke doesnt......to me thats confusing

[Miasmo]

Ladyvader, I commented on that earlier in the thread you started. I don't think you can look at a minute detail like the fact that she touch one and not the other. Look at the overall impact and importance in the story.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Ladyvader, I commented on that earlier in the thread you started. I don't think you can look at a minute detail like the fact that she touch one and not the other. Look at the overall impact and importance in the story.

Agreed. I thought the general consensus was also that there is a special bond between mother and daughter which would explain why Leia remembered Padme and Luke did not.

[bruciarsi]

Thing that gets me about the two gunners not shooting is the reason they give. Basically that there are no life signs aboard the pod. Did they not think of droids? I guess there is an argument there for what is a life form and what isnt. You would think though that they would have the ability to scan for droids. Maybe this was just a case of 2 lazy who couldnt be bothered letting off a few rounds.

[Tovor]

What happened to the two gunners that didnt shoot the escape pod in New Hope? Did the empire ever put 2 and 2 together and think that them not shooting the escape pod cost them an entire death star down the road?
Its probally just me but i like to think about these off shoot storylines.
Those two are the main characters of the new live action series. Lucas said that the series would be about characters briefely seen in the movies but not any main characters. The series will be about them and their lives. Seriously. I swear it's true. I know this because I've heard it from reliable sources. I know this, because they know this. Honest Abe. :ok:

[Miasmo]

You know, I'd actually watch that.

[bruciarsi]

Those two are the main characters of the new live action series. Lucas said that the series would be about characters briefely seen in the movies but not any main characters. The series will be about them and their lives. Seriously. I swear it's true. I know this because I've heard it from reliable sources. I know this, because they know this. Honest Abe. :ok:
Haha no way. That would be pretty cool. Would well and truely answer my question.

Any ideas of other characters?

[Tovor]

:w00t:

[Kam Solusar]

Do you ever wonder if Obi-Wan really should have given Luke Anakin's old saber? That saber killed a lot of Jedi and was used in a lot of darkness in the short time before he lost it. You have to wonder if it wasn't tainted a bit by that usage, though I guess if you could buy in to that theory you could say being in the presence of Obi-Wan for 20 years may have diffused that out. Just something I wondered.

[Miasmo]

Well, that really wasn't meant to be explored in the movies, but I wish it was. I can see your point, and it's just as easy to say there was absolutely no 'Evil Karma' attached to it, but it would've been neat to have some scenes, lines or symbolism identifying it as tainted.

[Darill Cyllem]

The gunners are specifically told to hold their fire by an officer of some sort (i'm sure someone here knows his name?); so they were following orders. I think it's more likely Vader would have had it in for the officer than the gunners (a-la Admiral Ozzel).

[Rabid Whiphid]

Do you ever wonder if Obi-Wan really should have given Luke Anakin's old saber? That saber killed a lot of Jedi and was used in a lot of darkness in the short time before he lost it. You have to wonder if it wasn't tainted a bit by that usage, though I guess if you could buy in to that theory you could say being in the presence of Obi-Wan for 20 years may have diffused that out. Just something I wondered.



That's an interesting issue and it brings up another one for me...

I remember reading in the ROTJ novelization (when it first came out in 1983) a scene that described Luke building his green lightsaber, and knowing how to do it only by meditating on The Force. And (I seem to remember) it was explained that this was one of the final tests for a Jedi student, was to build their own lightsaber without anyone teaching them how to do it. This was how you knew you were no longer an apprentice but a true Jedi Knight.

Now, combining that information with the fact that Luke only used his father's lightsaber up until he himself became a full-fledged Jedi knight, I drew the conclusion that Jedi apprentices must learn to master the lightsaber by training with the saber of an established jedi knight who passed away before them. Perhaps as a way of honoring the dead, you know. Then when the apprentice is ready, he gives up the fallen knight's lightsaber, and builds his own, to prove that he is now a knight himself.

And so, when Qui-Gon got killed (but his lightsaber wasn't lost) in Ep.1, I fully expected that in Ep2, we would see Anakin weilding Qui-Gon's green saber (as his "training saber"). I also naturally assumed, that in Ep.3, we would finally see Anakin build his own blue one (the one luke uses in Ep.4 and 5).

I was actually a little disappointed when it didn't work out that way. I guess it was just one of those misconceptions I had about SW my whole life.

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[Darill Cyllem]

But i like that sentiment, Whiphid - very poetic. I got the impression from AOTC that there are a variety of training sabers for the younglings - little sabers for the little guys, you know. You wouldn't want a full suzed lightsaber until your hands and the rest of you were full sized, so it seems likely to me that a Jedi would use a number of sabers throughout her training.
Er... are we still on topic? i think this is interesting, though! Could get into lots of EU stuff, too.

[JackBauer24]

I vaguely remember this being featured in a Tag and Bink story....am I wrong about that?

[Rabid Whiphid]

...there are a variety of training sabers for the younglings - little sabers for the little guys, you know. You wouldn't want a full suzed lightsaber until your hands and the rest of you were full sized, so it seems likely to me that a Jedi would use a number of sabers throughout her training.

Well, keep in mind too, I was basing that assumption only on the original trilogy films... in which there is nothing to indicate that a Jedi should start training any younger than his late teens or early twenties.

The most info you get on that in the OT is Luke in ESB, roughly 23 years of age, being described by Yoda as "too old to begin the training"...

So I assumed you would start Jedi training with a saber maybe around 18... I guess I equated going into Jedi service with the age kids can enter the Army, or something. So it didn't seem like such an illogical conclusion at that time.

Needless to say, seeing Anakin described as too old to begin the training by Mace Windu in Ep.1 took me by surprise.

And yes this has gone off topic. Sorry, my fault.

[sharyntyre]

Ever wonder why Vader did not use the Force to catch Luke and lift him back to the catwalk/bridge thingy in the central wind tunnel of Cloud City at the end of ESB?

I just watched that recently for some visual details on CC, but that really stood out to me. Vader/Anakin can leviate stuff and we all know "size matters not" Why did he let the Emperor's prize get away like that?

[Kam Solusar]

I think he's caught by surprise.

[Rabid Whiphid]

Ever wonder why Vader did not use the Force to catch Luke and lift him back to the catwalk/bridge thingy in the central wind tunnel of Cloud City at the end of ESB?

I just watched that recently for some visual details on CC, but that really stood out to me. Vader/Anakin can leviate stuff and we all know "size matters not" Why did he let the Emperor's prize get away like that?



I think on Cloud City, Vader's mission, both personally and in terms of his orders from the Emperor, were to...

A: (best case scenario) catch this kid and bring him back, so they can turn him to the Dark Side.

Or...

B: (less preferable but not necissarily worst case scenario) if the kid proves to be more trouble than this effort is worth... just kill him. That's why he's not holding anything back during the Cloud City duel. That's why he uses the Force to blow Luke out the window and doesn't bother trying to catch him.

There was probably some small "good" part of Vader that didn't like the idea of killing his own son - thus his first effort to convince the Emperor that Luke was no threat to the Empire ("He's only a boy... Obi Wan can no longer help him"), and his second effort to convince The Emperor to try and turn Luke to the Dark Side rather than kill him ("If he could be turned, he would be a powerful ally")...

But when watching ESB you get the impression that Vader's mind was so in-the-deepest-depths-of-evil by that point in his life, that he probably could have gotten along fine with either outcome.

Especially since, you have to remember that Vader's duel with Luke on Cloud City was really Vader's first time ever, meeting and relating to his son face-to-face.

Throughout that duel, I think Vader - whose mind is totally clouded by the Dark Side - was genuinely curious about his son but only considered Luke to be just another half-trained Jedi apprentice who could be easily destroyed, or easily turned to the Dark Side.

I don't think it was really until after he'd chopped Luke's hand off and saw the kid struggling to hang on to that ledge, then fall to his death rather than surrender to the Dark Side, that Vader was actually struck, for the first time, by how strong and good his son was, and finally came to love him as a son. Because after that point, you see Vader relating to Luke in a totally new way. After Luke lets go of that ledge and willfully falls down that air shaft, Vader is no longer cold or indifferent toward his son. From that point on he starts showing compassion for him.

Even when he's trying to kill Luke in the ROTJ duel, you can tell Vader is being pushed into it by The Emperor (The Dark Side seems to make Vader incapable of resisting his master's commands) but he's struggling with it and he hates what he's doing.

[Solo]

Thing that gets me about the two gunners not shooting is the reason they give. Basically that there are no life signs aboard the pod. Did they not think of droids? I guess there is an argument there for what is a life form and what isnt. You would think though that they would have the ability to scan for droids. Maybe this was just a case of 2 lazy who couldnt be bothered letting off a few rounds.

I do not think they were lazy, because the gunner was about to shoot the pod when his commander to him. "Hold your fire! There is no life forms in it." Probably he was a low rank officer and nobody cared to inform him that Empire actually WAS looking for two droids. Therefore he prevented the gunner from shooting. Also guns have a recharge time and maybe he was saving his gun for a better shot.

[Solo]

Ever wonder why Vader did not use the Force to catch Luke and lift him back to the catwalk/bridge thingy in the central wind tunnel of Cloud City at the end of ESB?

I just watched that recently for some visual details on CC, but that really stood out to me. Vader/Anakin can leviate stuff and we all know "size matters not" Why did he let the Emperor's prize get away like that?

Well I can not give a definite answer to that, but I can tell you one thing. In none of the duels between the Jedi and Sith, I have seen them lifting each other either to attack or help. May be being lifted is something you must allow in order to be lifted. I mean if you ever played AD&D, if you want to cast ESP Levitate, other player must allow you first, otherwise your spell is ineffective.

[Solo]

Ever wonder why scout walkers (AT-ST's) are so easy to explode? Crush it? It explodes. Trip it? It explodes.

In my opinion, they were weak because they were two people attack vehicles and they were bi-pedal which required a lighter armour. They were also designed to operate in narrow places and this also required a smaller frame and lighter armour.

For example Empire had lots of Tie Fighters, but tie fighters were not equipped with deflector shields. Empire lost hundreds of tie fighters during battles. Couldn't they have installed deflector shileds, so they could save these fighters and pilots?

[bruciarsi]

In my opinion, they were weak because they were two people attack vehicles and they were bi-pedal which required a lighter armour. They were also designed to operate in narrow places and this also required a smaller frame and lighter armour.

For example Empire had lots of Tie Fighters, but tie fighters were not equipped with deflector shields. Empire lost hundreds of tie fighters during battles. Couldn't they have installed deflector shileds, so they could save these fighters and pilots?

Yup some of their equipment was awful when compare to some really beefy stuff like the AT-AT and star destroyers.
I guess when you can clone yourself up replacement your troops become a bit more expenable. Also it is a way to ensure defection is a bit harder to achieve. The more durable vehicles all have a command officer present and the fragile ones are piloted by base level troops.

[Darill Cyllem]

Bruciarsi - good assesment, i think, of the TIEs and AT-STs. Also, the Empire, or at least Palpatine, thought of many of his forces as expendable. It highlights his involvement with the Dark Side - disregard for the value of life.

[Rabid Whiphid]

In none of the duels between the Jedi and Sith, I have seen them lifting each other either to attack or help.

You must not have seen Episode 3 yet. In the first Jedi/Sith duel of that film, Dooku force-chokes Obi Wan (briefly) and while doing so, lifts Obi Wan off the ground. Then throws him across the room. I would call that "lifting for an attack".

[Rabid Whiphid]

Here's a SW question I always wondered about. What was the point of sending C-3PO to Jabba's Palace? I can understand the logic of sending R2, because Luke had to smuggle his lightsaber past Jabba's security and into the palace, and R2 had a way of concealing it. But 3PO? What purpose did he serve there?

Obviously, the "Real world" answer to the question is that Lucas wanted to include 3PO in this sequence, as a way of keeping him in the film, based on the fact that 3PO is a loveable character.

But within the context of the story itself, if Luke and the others valued 3PO at all, there's not much logistical sense in sending him along. It's a really bad move, if you think about it, because it creates more problems for Luke and company, than it solves. It places one more of their friends in danger, and adds another person to the list of individuals they now have to remove form that dangerous environment.

The whole thing about getting on Jabba's good side by offering the droids "as a gift" isn't a good enough reason to include 3PO because that could have been accomplished with R2 alone.

R2 delivered Luke's hologram message in English, a language Jabba clearly understood, so there's no need for 3PO there.

I suppose you could say... it was so that Jabba would have a translator to make sure the deal between Jabba and Boushh could go down... but that seems like a real stretch. It seems inconceivable that an intergalactic gangster like Jabba would not have had another translator of his own for handling deals just like that one.

So really, what purpose did 3PO serve there? How was he more of a help than a hinderance in that situation? What tactical advantage did it offer to Luke in sending him?

[Jedi Master Harrison]

^ Maybe Luke thought he might need a translator when he was going to be in the Palace? Perhaps by offering both R2 and C3PO to Jabba, rather than just R2, that he was more likely to get the audience and the end result he required. Just some ideas, I have no evidence to prove these as fact! :)

[Rabid Whiphid]

Wait - I thought of an answer. Luke forsaw through the Force that Salacious Crumb had the potential to single-handedly ruin the entire Han Solo rescue mission, if he wasn't distracted on the Sail Barge. So Luke sent 3PO as a big diversion, knowing that monkey aliens can't resist eating a droid's eyes. This is the best guess I can come up with. :yoda:

[bruciarsi]

C3PO was there to warn him about any trap like i dont know the Rancor pit :nahnah:

Seriously it would have been weird having arto go by himself. The 2 just go together and arent apart all that often.
Makes the gift all the more impressive rather than just a older model astrometic droid he gets a translator droid that cant be fooled by mind tricks. Plus someone has to trip over stuff.

[Solo]

You must not have seen Episode 3 yet. In the first Jedi/Sith duel of that film, Dooku force-chokes Obi Wan (briefly) and while doing so, lifts Obi Wan off the ground. Then throws him across the room. I would call that "lifting for an attack".

Yes, you are right. I forgot about that one.:(

[Darill Cyllem]

Barring being able to understand Ewok, Threepio is rarely more of a help than a hindrance and nearly always a tactical liability. His camo on Endor is about as good as the stormtroopers'. It just cracks me up every time i see the Rebels sneaking around in their camo dusters and ponchos, tailing this huge, bright, GOLDEN DROID - who can't even bend over and hide in the foliage. :rofl: Seriously - couldn't threepio have worn a poncho like Luke and Leia and the commandos?

But i think Threepio's hilarious - it's usually amusing to have him around (maybe that was Luke's plan?). Maybe Artoo refused to go to Jabba's palace without Threepio - he's a headstrong little droid and seems interested in getting Threepio into trouble.

[Rabid Whiphid]

on Endor... just cracks me up every time i see the Rebels sneaking around in their camo dusters and ponchos, tailing this huge, bright, GOLDEN DROID - who can't even bend over and hide in the foliage. :rofl: Seriously - couldn't threepio have worn a poncho like Luke and Leia and the commandos?

Hey... That's a darn good point. I never thought of that before. You are absolutely right. Now that's going to bug me every time I watch ROTJ from here on for the rest of my life!! Thanks a lot, pal!!!

It would have actually made a lot of sense... and perhaps even been kinda cool-looking... if on Endor, 3PO had been painted up camo style like one of those Episode 3 Clonetroopers who fought on Kasshyyyk. You could have even gotten some genuinely funny 3PO comedy out of it... like a short little bit where somebody's spray-painting him (and reminding him it's so he won't get his metal a$$ shot off...) and he's fussing about how undignified it is. Man, the more I think about it the more it seems like they really dropped the ball on that one!

[AnaSkywalker]

ever wonder why..

the jedi didn't buy anakin's mom out of slavery so that he didn't go off killing everyone and giving in to his anger? i mean, they had the money, probably. or why they didn't attempt to abolish slavery on tattooine.

[Kam Solusar]

For your first question, because hindsight is 20/20 in that case. Prior to that, it was probably unprecedented to do something like that, not to mention it was probably seen as not their problem.

For your second, from what Qui-Gon says about Tatooine, it would seem to be outside the scope of the Republic, and therefore not something they would have actively gotten involved with. It would have been insulting to the Hutts.

[Darill Cyllem]

<<Now that's going to bug me every time I watch ROTJ from here on for the rest of my life!! Thanks a lot, pal!!! >>

Sorry, Whiphid!
Maybe Threepio wouldn't have been as impressive to the Ewosk if he were camo colored and our heroes would have ended up as kebobs. Good thing he was there to save the day, even if he never knew he had it in him!

[thepepgal]

ever wonder why..

the jedi didn't buy anakin's mom out of slavery so that he didn't go off killing everyone and giving in to his anger? i mean, they had the money, probably. or why they didn't attempt to abolish slavery on tattooine.

Watto gives you the answer in that people weren't interested in Republic credits on Tattooine. Also once Anakin joined the jedi, they deter attachment which he would have had to his mother.

The jedi also were financed by the Republic so they would have to gain permission to spend money from the Senate.

[Cassus Fett]

The gunners are specifically told to hold their fire by an officer of some sort (i'm sure someone here knows his name?); so they were following orders. I think it's more likely Vader would have had it in for the officer than the gunners (a-la Admiral Ozzel).

Actually the officer that orders them not to fire, is ordered by Vader to go down to the planet and search for the droids so maybe the two gunner go along with him?

[Darill Cyllem]

I'm not sure about that, Cassus. I just remember stormtroopers going down planetside (do we see the uniformed officer on planet? i know Vader told him to see to it personally, as you pointed out).

[Cassus Fett]

They wouldnt have gone down in uniform, but dressed in Stormie armour perhaps?

[Darill Cyllem]

Hmm... that's possible, i guess - but i don't think just anyone gets to wear stormtrooper armor. I think you specifically train for your job (i.e. infantry vs. gunner, vs. officer corps).
So... unless that gunnery officer was also an ST officer (and then, it seems to me, he'd have been in armor while on ship), I doubt he goes planet-side. Same goes for the gunners themselves, IMO.

[bruciarsi]

Yeah i wouldnt imagine gunners would be sent down to the surface. I imagine there would be a assualt group on standby for that kinda thing.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

I am still wondering who the Jedi was who threw Obi-Wan and Anakin lightsabers as the battle commenced in the arena on Geonosis. Any ideas? :bye:

[Darill Cyllem]

JMH - have you posted this question to the "ask T-bone your sw questions" thread? i think it's in the general sw discussion section. Would be interesting to know.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

^ Good point. I know I've got the wrong thread, I was just being too eager and posting it anywhere - sorry gang! :bye:

[Darill Cyllem]

i don't know if it was the wrong thread, necessarily - was just suggesting another option :)

[melissa_ladyvader]

i just thought of something
ever wonder how luke and leia would act like when anakin became "darth vader" but stayed with padme..and raised their kids.....??


do u ever wonder if leia would screw anakin because he becomes obsessed with his own daughter?.......ewwwwwwwwwwwww

EVER WONDER??!!

[Kam Solusar]

Ugh, really? Seriously? That's a bit...yeah.

[Darill Cyllem]

Well... no. I can't say i've ever thought of that. Ever.

Why would Vader have been obssessed with his daughter in, um, that way?

[Jedi Master Harrison]

I am speechless...................

[Blizzard]

That was uncalled for. Warnings were given.

[melissa_ladyvader]

ooh man....come on dude..i was joking around!!!!!!!!!
u guys need to know something..i know the rules around here okay
im 18 years old...im not dumb or dis-obidient........
i just like joking around.....especially when it comes to star wars because i find it funny....you may not find it funny but i do......why?..........
because i just do...and im sorry if ur offended by that....i apologize....


next-time i'll watch what i'll say

but come on im not sick or twisted in the flippin head
i just like joking around.........but in the end......ur right and im wrong

and..........princess leia says shes very sorry.......lol thats "me"

[Kam Solusar]

I might have already asked this, I can't remember, but ever wonder why the Jedi Temple is still standing at the end of RotJ? You'd have to think in that amount of time they could have gotten anything they wanted out of it and destroyed it completely.

[Rabid Whiphid]

I might have already asked this, I can't remember, but ever wonder why the Jedi Temple is still standing at the end of RotJ? You'd have to think in that amount of time they could have gotten anything they wanted out of it and destroyed it completely.


Maybe Palpatine kept it around for the fun of gloating at it. Silly as that might sound, it does not seem entirely out-of-character for him. At the end of ROTS, where he's really lost his marbles, he seems to delight in being evil for the sake of being evil. He seemed so happy just to be using his Dark Side powers, and while fighting Yoda, he was positively squealing with laughter. It's easy to imagine that, even years and years later, by the time of episodes 4,5, and 6, if he happened to look out his office window and see the unoccupied Jedi Temple, it would still probably bring a smile to his face.

[Kam Solusar]

Seems feasible, but you'd think he'd be a bit more politically savvy, all things considered. Though being extremely cocky was in character. Once the general public realized they got duped big time, the Temple would be a reminder of that in a way.

[RollaFett]

True. Even if the public got it in to their heads that Palpatine was a scumbag and they needed to stand up to him, you're right, the empty temple is a very good reminder that even the powerful Jedi couldn't beat that guy.
Then again, I suppose that didn't stop the Rebellion.

[melissa_ladyvader]

someone answer me this

in all of the ot we know vader knew who luke was......through his senses right?

so how come he never sensed leia was his daughter, up until return of the jedi?....thats kinda weird

[Rabid Whiphid]

Once the general public realized they got duped big time, the Temple would be a reminder of that in a way.


Not if he kept it around for his own secret pleasure of gloating at it, but under the public facade of "preserving it as a monument to those who fell during the Clone Wars" or some such nonsense. Heck, if he did that, he could even start making money off of it, by displaying it as a historical site / tourist attraction. Then he would appear to be honoring the past, while actually gloating AND financially profitting off of the slaughter of the Jedis. A sleazy scheme like that would be perfectly in keeping with Palpatine's character!

[Rabid Whiphid]

someone answer me this

in all of the ot we know vader knew who luke was......through his senses right?

so how come he never sensed leia was his daughter, up until return of the jedi?....thats kinda weird



Consider Vader's point of view. At the end of Ep3 - he knows he force choked Padme, and Palpatine tells him "in your anger... you killed her!" Vader says, "She was alive, I felt it!" But when he breaks down and screams "Noooo!!!" he seems to have accepted, to his horror and agony, that, whatever he thinks he felt, Palpatine is probably right. She must be dead.

Vader must have spent the next several years, believing that he had accidentally killed Padme, and that the unborn baby was lost with her. He had no reason to suspect otherwise. And he also never had any reason to think that there might have been a second child. Nobody suspected that, until Padme actually gave birth to twins. Vader certainly knew nothing of this.

So my theory is, if he had no reason to believe his offspring survived, he would not have been inclined to sense any connection to them, even if he was unwittingly standing in their presence.

During the Battle of Yavin, in Ep.4, he sensed that one of the young Rebel pilots (Luke) was strong with the Force, but he did not appear to sense any personal connection to that pilot. He probably assumed it was just some kid who happened to be born with Jedi skills. That's also why he zeroed in on that pilot and tried to eliminate him. It wasn't until after the Death Star was destroyed, that he learned that the kid who blew it up was named "Luke Skywalker".

At that point he seems to have begun putting it all together. But I don't think Vader truly believed his offspring survived Padme's death, until ESB.

And even then, he still didn't know there was more than one of them until he read Luke's mind in ROTJ and sensed that Luke had a twin sister.

Bottom line: I don't think Vader sensed that Leia or Luke were his kids because, until ESB, I don't think he even believed he had any kids. He certainly never had a chance to meet either of them before the OT, so how could he "recognize" their presence even if he sensed it?

Just my theory, but I think it makes as much sense as any other.

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[melissa_ladyvader]

bottom line is
george wanted leia to remember padme from child birth...which is weird

since he made luke and vader discover each other.........which is very touching and sad at the say time...this is one of the greatest things about star wars, that george use a reality fact.....stuff like that happens in life..where a mother dies...a father cant raise the kids...because something happened...or etc...and the kids get separated.......