Was Obi-Wan Attracted To Padme?

[electric]

I know it sounds a bit dumb because he was a dedicated Jedi and all, but I get the impression from ROTS that Obi-Wan was at least romantically interested in Padme, especially in the way he seemed to stare at her behind his beard.

Also, Anakin's line in the end "You'll not take her from me" seems to imply that there was at least some awkwardness going on between the two. Dunno if I'm just imagining things, but an interesting thing to think about :scratchchin:

[Kam Solusar]

They were friends. Nothing more. You're looking at Anakin's line the wrong way. He might have thought maybe there was something there in his screwed up head, but I doubt that's what he meant. I think he was thinking more literally, as in "you won't say anything or do anything that will make her not be with me."

[Jedi Master Harrison]

They were friends. Nothing more. You're looking at Anakin's line the wrong way. He might have thought maybe there was something there in his screwed up head, but I doubt that's what he meant. I think he was thinking more literally, as in "you won't say anything or do anything that will make her not be with me."

Agreed, although attachment was forbidden, all Jedi had it (e.g. Yoda saving Obi-Wan and Anakin from Dooku). Obi-Wan saw Padme as an old friend. Also, he wouldn't want any harm to come to her as it would Anakin, who was his "brother".

[James]

They just saw each other as friends. I would have liked to have seen Sidious trick Anakin into thinking that Obi-Wan and Padme were cheating on Anakin together in RotS - and I'm sure GL may have toyed with that idea.

[Emalin]

There are hints of Anakin's "suspicion"...not only that line when he says, "You'll not take her from me," but when she says "[Obi-Wan] cares about us" and he replies: "Us...?"

[Kam Solusar]

There are hints of Anakin's "suspicion"...not only that line when he says, "You'll not take her from me," but when she says "[Obi-Wan] cares about us" and he replies: "Us...?"

Again, I think people are reading far too deep in to what Anakin is saying. He say's "us" because Obi-Wan isn't supposed to know that there is a "Anakin and Padme" type of "us."

Of course, like I pointed out, there very well could be an inkling of suspicion in that screwed up head of his, but in this case, and especially with Lucas, I'd suspect he'd just have Anakin come out and accuse her of it. As it is, he's just pissed off at her because he thinks she brought Obi-Wan to kill him, and pissed off at him for a myriad of reasons.

[Galileo]

Obi-Wan is the consummate Jedi so I doubt that he would have anymore feeling for Padmee other that that of a friend. Remember this is the Jedi that sacrificed his life so that Luke can make his get-away in ANH.

BTW this is my first post here. Very cool part of the internet!

[thepepgal]

Obi-Wan is the consummate Jedi so I doubt that he would have anymore feeling for Padmee other that that of a friend. Remember this is the Jedi that sacrificed his life so that Luke can make his get-away in ANH.

BTW this is my first post here. Very cool part of the internet!

:welcome:

Thanks it is cool.

My opinion of the topic is that he wasn't attracted to her and I agree they are just friends.

There is evidence in the EU he had feelings for another jedi but never acted on it.

[lovelucas]

actually, there were those earlier scenes that were cut - where Palpatine did indeed create suspicions in Anakin regarding Obi Wan and Padme - he implied that Obi Wan was seen leaving Padme's apartment early in the morning etc. I'm glad George didn't take the story in this direction although it would explain some of his behavior on Mustafar and actually earlier when it appears he's leaning more and more on Palpatine for advise and direction and not Obi Wan. There was that scene in Padme's apartment where he says "Obi Wan was here" but not at all in a friendly, inquisitive but rather an accusatory manner. Of course this is after his attempt to seek advise from Yoda who just gave him the usual spiel of "you must learn to let go of what you fear to lose". and he probably felt Obi Wan and the entire Council would echo those words.

and welcome Galileo

[Galileo]

... I'm glad George didn't take the story in this direction although it would explain some of his behavior on Mustafar ...
and welcome Galileo

Thanks for the welcome lovelucas!

I agree with you that it's a good thing that Lucas left this deleted scene out. I think it would have really cheapened the story. It would have started sounding a lot like a soap opera.

[JackBauer24]

Look, I don't care if Obi-Wan's a Jedi. Padme is one hot piece of ass, and I find it incredibly hard to believe that anyone wouldn't be attracted to her.

[DblDwn]

It's like Yoda's line in AOTC, "Seeing you alive brings warm feelings to my heart."

Maybe that wasn't his heart that was getting all warm and fuzzy. :innocent:

[JackBauer24]

Yoda and Padme? Now there's a fun fanfic!

[Jedi Master Elad Kenobi]

hhhmmm???:scratchchin:

[csr74]

Oh, Dear...:rofl:

If you want my opinion (on the topic, that is), i don´t think he was attracted to her. He did care, of course. On the other hand Anakin might have thought lots of things...and few good.

I think there was something with a female Jedi called Siri Tachi, but it seems it was easily solved, though it had some consequences afterwards.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

actually, there were those earlier scenes that were cut - where Palpatine did indeed create suspicions in Anakin regarding Obi Wan and Padme - he implied that Obi Wan was seen leaving Padme's apartment early in the morning etc. I'm glad George didn't take the story in this direction although it would explain some of his behavior on Mustafar and actually earlier when it appears he's leaning more and more on Palpatine for advise and direction and not Obi Wan. There was that scene in Padme's apartment where he says "Obi Wan was here" but not at all in a friendly, inquisitive but rather an accusatory manner. Of course this is after his attempt to seek advise from Yoda who just gave him the usual spiel of "you must learn to let go of what you fear to lose". and he probably felt Obi Wan and the entire Council would echo those words.

Yes, theses scenes are in the novelisation. The novel was generally very good, but I didn't like this idea of an affair. Galileo is right to say it would have cheapened the story and to be fair even Sidious didn't need to stoop this low to get what he wanted! Thankfully in the book when Anakin has suspicion Padme quickly reassures him and he lets it go.

[James]

I do kind of wish Padme and Obi-Wan had had more interaction in ROTS. The first scene they had together in the film was late into the film. hmm...

[Jedi Master 2k5]

Hold it, in the tales of the jedi it mentioned obi-wan was attracted to another jedi oh but I can't think of her name. So obi wan although not immune to the feeling of love I just don't think he was attracted to padme.In another example of showing that he was not immune to love, if you recall at the end of episode three he said"you were my brother Anakin I loved you."

[electric]

Hold it, in the tales of the jedi it mentioned obi-wan was attracted to another jedi oh but I can't think of her name. So obi wan although not immune to the feeling of love I just don't think he was attracted to padme.In another example of showing that he was not immune to love, if you recall at the end of episode three he said"you were my brother Anakin I loved you."

Good point. Also, he cried when Qui-Gon died, which shows he was attached to him as a mentor/father figure. The relationships between jedi and padawan seems very strong despite their philosophy on attachments.

[Jacen Solo]

Hi everyone! :bye: It's good to be back.

I don't think it occurred to Obi-Wan, even for a moment, that he (Obi-Wan) was romantically interested in Padme. Sure, she was a distinguished senator and very attractive, but Obi-Wan was Anakin's friend. Yes, Obi-Wan was a Jedi Knight and served the Republic, but his loyalty was to Anakin: and he knew, sure as the day from the night, that his apprentice had feelings for Amidala. His loyalty was to Anakin, and that loyalty cost him in the end.

I do agree that while Obi-Wan had control of his emotions, in Anakin's mind Obi-Wan was attracted to Padme, and Anakin saw this as a threat. And by the time of the great confrontation, Anakin was basically a deranged psychopath who believed what he wanted to believe (and more particularly, what Palpatine had cunningly put in his mind) ... at that point, he cared only about Padme. I take that back -- he was obsessed with Padme, to the point where he would do anything to keep her and stop anyone who tried to take her from him. One could see that Padme realized this, as she backed away from Anakin after his declaration that they could depose Sidious and rule the galaxy together.

And then, following this green-eyed monster theory, Padme made the fatal mistake of mentioning Anakin's rival in her heartbroken reply: "Obi-Wan was right." And this was what appeared to set Anakin off: "I don't want to hear any more about Obi-Wan." And so it goes ...

[Fallen One]

Hold it, in the tales of the jedi it mentioned obi-wan was attracted to another jedi oh but I can't think of her name. So obi wan although not immune to the feeling of love I just don't think he was attracted to padme.In another example of showing that he was not immune to love, if you recall at the end of episode three he said"you were my brother Anakin I loved you."Somebody has already said it but here she is:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Siri_Tachi

"while Siri was fatally injured, having been shot by Magus. Obi-Wan tried to save her, but she stopped him knowing she was dying, and the two expressed their love for each other yet again. Siri handed him the blue warming crystal she had from their first mission with Talesan, telling Obi-Wan that she would always be with him, and then passed on. As Obi-Wan came close to the dark side (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_side_of_the_Force), he held his lightsaber blade to Magus' throat; however, he regained control before it was too late, sparing the merciless bounty hunter. The memory of a great Jedi Knight and dear friend lived on with Obi-Wan."

[Galileo]

I think that the "You will not take her from me." line is pondered on way too much. If Lucas intended to have romantic overtones between Obi-Wan and Padmee I would be very disappointed because this would reduce the plot of ROTS a soap opera. Yes Lucas really likes to stick to the "serial movie" format but I don't think he would cheapen Obi-Wan's character by having him have a romantic attachment or attraction to Padmee. As far as I'm concerned Obi-Wan is the greatest Jedi ever. He is true to the Force above all else. When you have a character that is so self-centered that it brings down the republic you need one that remains true to himself and his beliefs. Obi-Wan is that stalwart and true. He's one of my favorite characters in any film or book I've read.

[James]

I think it would have been stupid if there had been a romantic Obi-Wan/Padme relationship. All I think there needed to be was Anakin deluded by Sidious into thinking there was. This would further the idea that the Jedi were cheating on him. Because Padme is one hot little chicky-poo.

[thepepgal]

Oh, Dear...:rofl:

If you want my opinion (on the topic, that is), i don´t think he was attracted to her. He did care, of course. On the other hand Anakin might have thought lots of things...and few good.

I think there was something with a female Jedi called Siri Tachi, but it seems it was easily solved, though it had some consequences afterwards.

It was Siri that he was attracted to. I wasn't going to mention her name due to some people being senstive to EU being brought up in the movie section.

[csr74]

Mmmmh, very cautious, thepepgal, but i think you´ve got your reasons there.

Anyways, if i recall well the situation was solved* (more or less) at first, when they were young, but unexpected circumstances brought it back for a brief moment.


*I wonder if it was something "normal" that Padawans had a crush on some fellow apprentice, and wasn´t considered to be particularly serious by their masters.

[thepepgal]

Mmmmh, very cautious, thepepgal, but i think you´ve got your reasons there.

Anyways, if i recall well the situation was solved* (more or less) at first, when they were young, but unexpected circumstances brought it back for a brief moment.


*I wonder if it was something "normal" that Padawans had a crush on some fellow apprentice, and wasn´t considered to be particularly serious by their masters.

It started during their travels through puberty but they did express that they cared and was close during a mission during the clone wars. But there has never been a mention of whether they embraced their feelings. The passage describing Obi Wan feeling of loss after her death was very touching.

[csr74]

Interesting. But if even under such circumstances he didn´t decided to pursue a relationship, i think it rules out any possibility of his being attracted to Padme. Did he have more relationships (or attempts)?

Now some gossip, it seems Anakin himself had far more numerous opportunities of starting a relationship other than Padme...

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Really? Where did you get that from?

[AnaSkywalker]

I would say 'see my siggy' but you can't put pics there. so here it is, made by me at my friend's request(actually i have 9 different ones):

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p274/AnaGraphicsAlbum/obiwanpadme8.png

So I agree with her at least partially on that, yes. I haven't read the book with the female jedi obi wan likes yet, but I will. Someday.

[thepepgal]

Interesting. But if even under such circumstances he didn´t decided to pursue a relationship, i think it rules out any possibility of his being attracted to Padme. Did he have more relationships (or attempts)?

No since he followed the jedi code of no attachments / love. Remember Anakin broke this rule and hid his marriage to Padme so he wouldn't be expel from the jedi order.

[Max Starkiller]

The whole idea of Obi-Wan and Padmé having something, dates to when, back in the day, we all believed that that was part of the reason Anakin fell in the lava.

If I recall correctly, Anakin and Obi-Wan were to have had an epic battle over (at this point an unnamed Skywalker mother) over lava. When Anakin fell in, Palpatine was the first to save him, and began to to trust him, and as a result Anakin was not evil when he first got the mask. Many believe that the mask was inextricably linked to the Sith side of him, but not so. Also, bear in mind that this story dates from before the days when we knew of "Qui-Gon", "Padmé" as we know them, or similar figures.

[Jacen Solo]

In the days of TPM, Yoda and the Jedi Council expressed concern that young Anakin should not be trained because he was too old. Part of this, we know, is because of his attachment to his mother and his fear of losing her.

Though I wonder, and I hesitate to bring this up, Anakin was nine or ten at the time, I forget which. Was it simply a childhood crush he had on the young, beautiful Queen of the Naboo? Or were his hormones speaking to him?

I'm not suggesting that his love for her (however childish it may have been at the time) was anything other than sincere, but how much of it was driven by his natural tendency, as a human, to be attracted to the opposite gender? Could this have been part of the Council's concern?

[Fish1941]

I think that the Council should have been concerned with their own attachment to the Jedi Order.


I'm not suggesting that his love for her (however childish it may have been at the time) was anything other than sincere, but how much of it was driven by his natural tendency, as a human, to be attracted to the opposite gender? Could this have been part of the Council's concern?


What is the big deal about why Anakin was in love with Padme? And how would the Council know about Anakin's feelings for Padme in TPM?

[melissa_ladyvader]

i use to think that obi-wan had a "thing" for padme.....
i dont know why.....lol,

[lovelucas]

well, they've been friends on the same side for quite a while but let's remember it was Obi Wan who was willing to leave Padme where she fell back on Geonosis - it was Anakin who insisted they put the ship down...and it was only Obi Wan's admonishment of what Padme would have chosen that make Anakin see, briefly, that everyone's focus should only be in defeating Dooku and avoid the beginning of the war.

[Kam Solusar]

I think that the Council should have been concerned with their own attachment to the Jedi Order.


And the Republic.

[csr74]

Sorry for answering so late, when i was referring to other possibilities for Anakin, i was meaning , for instance Barriss Offee, who apparently, for a while felt something for him.

Now i´m thinking it didn´t seem so unusual for Jedi to have some kind of attachment, and well, the fact of having to hide them wouldn´t lead to more problems than otherwise?

[Kam Solusar]

Well of course it did. That was kind of the point, really. And I think Yoda and Obi-Wan knew that was part of the downfall of the Order, in their hearts. Attachments are human nature, and even if you give up all earthly possessions and vow celibacy, etc, you'll attach to something within your sect, or the sect itself. Though they tend to say and do things that would imply the opposite sometimes.

[catwmnjedi]

I know this is from EU, so maybe it doesn't apply, but Obi-Wan eludes to being in love once in "The Cestus Deception" by Steven Barnes. From Jedi Quest and Jedi Apprentice series, he acknowledges his love for fellow Jedi Siri Tachi, so the argument that he was a Jedi and therefore was never in love with anyone depends on your point of view (EU or Cannon only).

As for Padme, I don't think so. He was empathetic to her and accepted his duty in EPI and EPII to protect her. I think he admired her strength and sense of duty, but respected her and Anakin's relationship initially - ie, he knew they were an item and warned Anakin about it, but didn't tell on Anakin to the Council. Personally I think he stayed out of it because he had been weak for a woman at one point in his life also, so scolding Anakin too harshly about love would be somewhat hypocritical.

I'm not sure if he knew Padme and Anakin were secretly married... maybe not since he had to pose the rhetorical statement of "He's the father, isn't he" to Padme in EP III, as if it was a partial question rather than an assumption on his part. Obi-Wan knew when Anakin was staying at her apartment, so he had to assume they were at least in an intimate relationship. I do believe Anakin (when he went Dark-side) warped Obi-Wan and Padme's relationship in his own mind and was jealous of their friendship, thinking it was more than it was. This added to his rationalization for hating and killing Obi-Wan as the Emperor desired. But there was no truth to it. Obi-Wan's heart only belonged to Siri. :like:

-- Cat

[PeaceofStar]

I posted a blog entry here (http://blogs.starwars.com/peaceofstar/21) about Obi-Wan/Padme and Anakin's paranoia after watching Eps. III and trying to do psych homework at the same time (I don't recommend it)... Here're my two-cents copy-and-pasted:

* He is much younger than she is, and therefore less mature. This may lead to "short-man's syndrome" or a feeling of inadequacy on his part because he isn't able to keep up intellectually with her. Which could lead him to believe she may be seeking intellectual stimulation elsewhere...

* Since he hasn't been made a Master, he is beginning to doubt whether Obi-Wan is still "on his side." The Chancellor has placed the seeds of doubt about the Jedi Order in his mind, and the first that comes to mind is his best friend...

* He feels the residual energy of Obi-Wan's visit with Padme and thinks, That's a little close for casual conversation. When he asks what he wanted and she answers: "Anakin, why are you acting like this," just fuels his belief that she's keeping secrets...

* On Mustafar he tells her: "I don't want to hear any more about Obi-Wan." And indeed in almost every conversation they have, his name is brought up more than once for various reasons, mostly because Padme believes they can trust him.

This tension and paranoia is shown in their entire conversation on Mustafar:
* "You're going down a path I can't follow." ~ "Because of Obi-Wan."
* "Liar! You're with him!"
* "I loved you too much to see you! To see what you are!"

This trend continues when Obi-Wan appears to confront him:
* "You will not take her from me!"
* "Let her go!" ~ "Never!"

[Kam Solusar]

She's not that much older than Anakin, though.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

She's not that much older than Anakin, though.

I think it's only about 5 years in actual age but more like 15 if you compare her maturity to his boyish behaviour throughout the PT. That might have partly been what she saw in him, he brought out her maternal instinct - the naughty boy who needed direction, until he went too far for her to be with, of course.

[Kam Solusar]

I think it's only about 5 years in actual age but more like 15 if you compare her maturity to his boyish behaviour throughout the PT. That might have partly been what she saw in him, he brought out her maternal instinct - the naughty boy who needed direction, until he went too far for her to be with, of course.

I think it's 4 years, actually.

Her maturity is partially a result of political training she received from a very young age. She shows immaturity here and there. Her decision making regarding Anakin, for instance.

[Jacen Solo]

But wasn't her decision regarding Anakin made in the heat of the moment? The moment being as they were taken into the Geonosian arena? She seriously thought they were going to die.

[Kam Solusar]

But wasn't her decision regarding Anakin made in the heat of the moment? The moment being as they were taken into the Geonosian arena? She seriously thought they were going to die.

I wasn't citing any specific moment, just her general thinking in regards to him.

[lovelucas]

yep - I agree - she began to change, as people do when they commit - and actually I think this began at dinner on Naboo, where she chose attire that would send a message to Anakin, even during the fireplace scene - which is actually the last time she will speak the words she needs to say - "we can't - we would be living a lie" but in action she's already begun to live that lie.

saying no vocally but yes with her eyes and her outfit

[thepepgal]

yep - I agree - she began to change, as people do when they commit - and actually I think this began at dinner on Naboo, where she chose attire that would send a message to Anakin, even during the fireplace scene - which is actually the last time she will speak the words she needs to say - "we can't - we would be living a lie" but in action she's already begun to live that lie.

saying no vocally but yes with her eyes and her outfit

Actually her dress she was in after the gondala ride is the start. She dresses to impress him. He can't resist touching her soft back and then she doesn't resist the kiss at first. She only breaks the kiss after realising it might be wrong.

He gave her the green light by admitting that love was permitted in the jedi order but no attachments (in the discussion on the refugee ship on the way to Naboo). So she started to flirt and tease by wearing clothes he would find attractive.

[csr74]

That means she hadn´t a clear mind on this matter, either. Or at least so it seems. It´s not a kind of "rebellious Padawan does what he shouldn´t" thing, it´s more complicated.

[Fish1941]

I think it's only about 5 years in actual age but more like 15 if you compare her maturity to his boyish behaviour throughout the PT.

Padme wasn't that mature. Even Typho managed to notice this. I don't think that Obi-Wan or the other Jedi were that mature . . . considering some of the stupid decisions they made.

[lovelucas]

ironic when you think of Yoda being over 800 years old.....
maturity not measured in years or perhaps a different adjective should apply - as in clouded judgment, literally and figuratively

[Cassus Fett]

Its clouded judgement not maturity.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Padme wasn't that mature. Even Typho managed to notice this. I don't think that Obi-Wan or the other Jedi were that mature . . . considering some of the stupid decisions they made.

While Padme obviously had an immature side to her (brought out by Anakin) she must have been very mature at an early age to be made Queen, to serve as a Senator and also be such an accomplished warrior for a young lady. Her decision to go and rescue Obi-Wan was out of loyalty, not immaturity.

As for the Jedi, it was indeed down to the darkside clouding their judgement and sticking to the ideals they had maintained over a millennia that led to them making bad decisions, not immaturity. The only immature Jedi (main character) was Anakin and look what happened to him!

[jedimasterElizabeth]

The point is Obi-Wan has a little feelings for Padme but she is unaware of it.... (That's what I thought...) BTW, Obi-Wan is *10000000000000000000000 better than Anakin.

[Kommandant Felix]

The point is Obi-Wan has a little feelings for Padme but she is unaware of it.... (That's what I thought...) BTW, Obi-Wan is *10000000000000000000000 better than Anakin.

No...Obi-Wan did not have "feelings" for Padme. While it is obvious he cared, it really wasn't anything having to do with romance or even the slightest possibility of a relationship. They were friends, that's all. Nowhere is there conclusive evidence that Obi-Wan had any such feelings.

[Blizzard]

Obi-Wan Kenobi was a Jedi. He wasn't attracted to anyone. Jedi are celibate and don't lust. They are dedicated to being a Jedi. That's where Anakin went bad.

[Raganork8]

No...Obi-Wan did not have "feelings" for Padme. While it is obvious he cared, it really wasn't anything having to do with romance or even the slightest possibility of a relationship. They were friends, that's all. Nowhere is there conclusive evidence that Obi-Wan had any such feelings.

I agree with you here Felix, I feel that he cared for Padme as a friend, had their been conflicting feelings for Padme in Obi-Wan then there really would have been severe problems for the Jedi order because Obi wan would gone crazy with what was happening between Anakin and Padme when he found out, (or surmised) that her pregnancy was a direct result of their love affair.

I think somewhere in Anakin though, he felt Obi Wan might have had feelings for Padme, but thats cause he's an insecure man. I don't think there's anything serious or concrete to pin that idea to.

[JackBauer24]

Obi-Wan Kenobi was a Jedi. He wasn't attracted to anyone. Jedi are celibate and don't lust.

Okay, there I've got to disagree. Obi-Wan was a man, therefore he lusted. It's not like genitalia removal was part of the Jedi Code.

"There is no emotion; there is peace.
There are no balls, there is eunichness."

[RollaFett]

I dunno...remember, OB1 was a true Jedi. Meaning that he was taken while he was a baby. Who knows how much they cut during the circumcision, eh?

[JackBauer24]

Owwwwwwwwwwwwww.

[Kommandant Felix]

No...I don't think so. Other Jedi fell into the trap and married in secret, even those who were raised in the temple.

[lovelucas]

ooof - thread is naughty speculation -
Obi Wan of course cares for Padme. They have a history, they are working for the same goals, they have, along with Anakin, risked everything to save what they believe in. A mutal admiration and a love one would have for a long-term friendship - and they both love Anakin.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Obi-Wan constantly matured as a Jedi throughout the films and was one of the 'old school' of thought. He had learnt from his past - where he was attracted to a woman as a young man - and had learnt to let go of such feelings, where ultimately Anakin would fail. However, that is not to say that he did not have attachments to some degree, he clearly counted Padme as a friend and was concerned about her, just as he was about Anakin. But no, he was not attracted to Padme, IMO.

[csr74]

I think Jedi Maste Harrison has a point there. And i would like to add that perhaps Obi-Wan is presented like a "model Jedi", of course has flaws, but tries and for the most time manages to live by the rules of the Order.

Unless you´re thinking that the said rules allow to have some kind of relationship either with a fellow Jedi (Tr´saa and Tholme, anyone?) or a stranger.

[Blizzard]

Okay, there I've got to disagree. Obi-Wan was a man, therefore he lusted. It's not like genitalia removal was part of the Jedi Code.He wasn't a man. He was a Jedi. That's like saying priests could never be celibate because they can't stop lusting.

No...I don't think so. Other Jedi fell into the trap and married in secret, even those who were raised in the temple.Don't go all EU here, we are talking about the movies. Jedi are not supposed to fall in love and marry. Anakin was too old to become a Jedi, as was Luke, but both fell for women. Maybe that is why Yoda said they were too old.

GL's Jedi are similar to priests and nuns. They never let lust interfere with their duty.

[Kommandant Felix]

Don't go all EU here, we are talking about the movies. Jedi are not supposed to fall in love and marry. Anakin was too old to become a Jedi, as was Luke, but both fell for women. Maybe that is why Yoda said they were too old.

GL's Jedi are similar to priests and nuns. They never let lust interfere with their duty.

You are absolutely right...I was just pointing out that the circumcision thing really isn't that realistic, I guess. I was using poor logic to explain poor humor. My apologies. But I wholeheartedly agree with you in that context.

[Darill Cyllem]

GL's Jedi are similar to priests and nuns. They never let lust interfere with their duty.
Or they shouldn't, at any rate. And Obi-Wan was a good Jedi of the old school variety, so it seems likely that he would strive to put his duty above all else.

(His friendship attachment to Anakin is a bit borderline in terms of acceptable for an old school Jedi, though, it seems to me, but that's off topic for this thread.)

[jedimasterElizabeth]

But Obi-Wan's master like a woman before... Maybe he did but he didn't showed...

[RollaFett]

^ Huh? Are you referring to Qui-Gon? An if so, what woman did he like? Shmi? There's nothing in the films to suggest that.

[csr74]

As i see it, there are two problems:

-Apparently, celibate among the Jedi was more of a recommendation than a rule, and it was applied more strictly in some eras than in others, in this particular case, it seems that Yoda feels it should be a rule.

-According to the movies we don´t know wether Obi-Wan had some affair going on or not, but even in that case he would quite probably try his best to avoid it affecting his duty. It´s logical to think that the other part would quite probably be a Jedi too and behave in the same way.

[jedimasterElizabeth]

^ Huh? Are you referring to Qui-Gon? An if so, what woman did he like? Shmi? There's nothing in the films to suggest that.

Oops,my bad. the woman is named Tahl.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tahl

[Blizzard]

^Again, that is EU, not the movies. Jedi sex and love is all over the novels because that is what sells.

[lovelucas]

Oops,my bad. the woman is named Tahl.

and Obi-Wan had a close encounter with a Jedi - Siri

"I think we've hit something we can't solve," Siri said. - "That's not suppose to happen."
Obi -Wan - "Yoda would say that Jedi aren't infallible. We are only well prepared."
Siri: Well, well prepared we are.....infallible, we are not." (imitating Yoda's voice)
They laughed softly
Obi -Wan - "When the moment comes, we'll be together."

and earlier: He went searching for her. She was curled up in the cargo hold, on the floor, wrapped in a blanket. Without a word she opened the blanket so Obi-Wan could slide next to her.

[jedimasterElizabeth]

^:blink:

[csr74]

But in the end he wasn´t attracted to Padme. And this thing with Siri Tachi got solved one way or the other.

If we follow the movies we don´t know if he was the most strict adherent to the Jedi Code on these matters (which it seems) or if he was just the same planning to elope with, let´s say Shaak Ti.

[Darill Cyllem]

^ Heehee! As amusing as i find the idea of Obi-Wan eloping with Shaak Ti (or anyone else), i don't think there's enough in the movies to let us even speculate about Obi-Wan's "love life." Obi-Wan was an old school Jedi and, it seems to me, would have adhered to the Jedi Code at least as far as the no romantic attachment thing. I think it is safe to assume that Obi-Wan was not romantically attached, and did not have plans to elope with anyone. :)

[csr74]

Well, that´s more or less what i was trying to mean, in the movies he looks like the personification of what it means to be a Jedi and follow the Code.

Perhaps i should delete the eloping part in order not to give ideas to someone...although when one starts wondering what would have happened if Palpatine was stopped and Order 66 not carried out...:scratchchin:

[Orandhite]

Does anyone else think that Obi might actually have been attracted to Dex? I mean, when they meet up, that hug seems a little more than just two old friends meeting up after a long time.

Anyone? No?

[JackBauer24]

Well, maybe Dex was a female in his species.

[flo fett]

^ Heehee! As amusing as i find the idea of Obi-Wan eloping with Shaak Ti (or anyone else), i don't think there's enough in the movies to let us even speculate about Obi-Wan's "love life." Obi-Wan was an old school Jedi and, it seems to me, would have adhered to the Jedi Code at least as far as the no romantic attachment thing. I think it is safe to assume that Obi-Wan was not romantically attached, and did not have plans to elope with anyone. :)
I agree, but I'd also like to add that I think even if Obi-wan ever did have any feelings for Padme (which I don't believe he did) he was the consummate jedi and would never even consider letting it show to anyone. The Jedi order meant that much to him, he would put everything including himself second to its dogma.

Does anyone else think that Obi might actually have been attracted to Dex? I mean, when they meet up, that hug seems a little more than just two old friends meeting up after a long time.

Anyone? No?
Hmmm, well Dex did have those sexy trousers on, that may have been a come on.

[lovelucas]

I find Dex very attractive......
and he lives on to fight another day -
post RotS he's a hero of the underground.....

[Orandhite]

Hmmm, well Dex did have those sexy trousers on, that may have been a come on.

Yes, the way that he pulled them up so that his butt crack was not showing anymore almost got me :drooly:.

Anyway...

I don't think Obi was attracted to Padme. I can't see anything from the movies that would suggest that he was. There is plenty to suggest that he cared for her, yes, but not that he cared for her. There is no hint of intimacy in their encounters, there is always an air of mutual respect.

From the movies, there is nothing to suggest that Obi was interested in anybody that way. From that point of view, he was a Jedi through and through and was not interested in a relationship.

[JackBauer24]

Okay, forget attraction. Do you think Obi-Wan was banging her? I mean, I have this theory that he was doin' Padme and is actually Luke and Leia's biological father.

[jedimasterElizabeth]

Okay, forget attraction. Do you think Obi-Wan was banging her? I mean, I have this theory that he was doin' Padme and is actually Luke and Leia's biological father.

:w00t::w00t::blink::blink:

[Blizzard]

Okay, forget attraction. Do you think Obi-Wan was banging her? I mean, I have this theory that he was doin' Padme and is actually Luke and Leia's biological father.People have been banned for this.

[csr74]

Yes, no need to go rude and unneccesary, i think.

I still think he was there to provide a "model" of what a true Jedi is supposed to be an how is supposed to behave. And even in the case that he actually had a romantic relationship, no doubt that we would´ve seen him behaving in a completely different way to that of Anakin.

[JSunday]

No, I think Obi-Wan had his head on straight. I think he was just being compassionate. The only time he really ever emotes is telling Anakin that he loved him, which I loved seeing...and is one of the dramatic highlights of the entire saga, if you ask me. Ewan plays it with such sincerity and believability.

But no, I don't think Kenobi ever had the "hots" for Padme.

[Fish1941]

Obi-Wan is the consummate Jedi so I doubt that he would have anymore feeling for Padmee other that that of a friend. Remember this is the Jedi that sacrificed his life so that Luke can make his get-away in ANH.


Obi-Wan wasn't the consummate Jedi. What a load of garbage! There was no such thing as the consummate Jedi. Obi-Wan had his flaws like everyone else.

[Raganork8]

^ But Obi-Wan was able to overcome those flaws and perform to the standard of the Jedi Order...

even if Obi-Wan was attracted to Padme (which is utterly absurd) it wouldn't matter; because he, as a Jedi, woul dhave not acted on those feelings; because he knew his commitment to the Jedi Order, Republic, and Galaxy was larger than some chick he met years ago.

[RollaFett]

^Right. While there may be no such thing as the "consummate Jedi", Obi-Wan probably comes the closest to being that. At least, as far as what we've ever seen in the movies.

[Darth Apotheosus]

To jump on this speederbike...

Early articles regarding EPII did bring up the issue of Padme' age being somewhere smack dab in between Obi-wan's and Anakin's. (There was a hysterical illustration of that one too, somewhere out there...) At some point, I'm sure GL toyed with the idea of having a rivalry be a stronger factor in Anakin's motivations in becoming an agent of the Dark Side.

Is Obi-wan attracted to Padme? I wouldn't see why he wouldn't be. I find the line in AotC to be a bit telling: during their elevator ride up to Padme's apartments, Obi-wan responds with "possibly" - meaning overtly that he can sense her better as a more mature jedi, but that little extra tone in his voice conveys something of a personal interest...

He didn't act on it, although the thought was obviously going through Anakin's mind that the man who was "like a father" to him would betray him with the woman he "loved." Peppering some more of those scenes throughout would have solidified that angle of the story and lent more credibility to the idea that Anakin suspected Padme and Obi-wan at the end of RotS. As depicted, the accusation seemed far too "out-of-the-blue," not really meshing cohesively with the rest of the storyline.

[Raganork8]

To jump on this speederbike...

Early articles regarding EPII did bring up the issue of Padme' age being somewhere smack dab in between Obi-wan's and Anakin's. (There was a hysterical illustration of that one too, somewhere out there...) At some point, I'm sure GL toyed with the idea of having a rivalry be a stronger factor in Anakin's motivations in becoming an agent of the Dark Side.

Is Obi-wan attracted to Padme? I wouldn't see why he wouldn't be. I find the line in AotC to be a bit telling: during their elevator ride up to Padme's apartments, Obi-wan responds with "possibly" - meaning overtly that he can sense her better as a more mature jedi, but that little extra tone in his voice conveys something of a personal interest...

He didn't act on it, although the thought was obviously going through Anakin's mind that the man who was "like a father" to him would betray him with the woman he "loved." Peppering some more of those scenes throughout would have solidified that angle of the story and lent more credibility to the idea that Anakin suspected Padme and Obi-wan at the end of RotS. As depicted, the accusation seemed far too "out-of-the-blue," not really meshing cohesively with the rest of the storyline.

If he was attracted to Padme this would be "Star Opera"

Your observations are deep in thought; but, possibly looking to close...

can is his powers be more in tune than Anakin's so he can sense Padme better?

"Possibly"

I think that was all that was meant by it; if a Love Triangle was in GLs mind he would have made it a lot more apparent;

HOWEVER

I do think Anakin felt this way at some point in ROTS; when he's looking at that picture thing and puts it down and says

"Obi Wan's been here"

There's something there.

So I think a better question would be:

"Did Anakin think Obi Wan was Attracted to Padme?"

And I would be ready to argue yes for that...

[Darth Nameless]

i would also argue that anakin was jealous of obi-wan but then he was just afraid of loosing padme...now as for obi-wan and padme no way...and i would have to say that he isnt the consummate jedi...but after order 66 he and yoda became the only jedi...so that sets new standards for what a jedi is

[Darth Apotheosus]

If he was attracted to Padme this would be "Star Opera"

Actually, Star Wars is already "Space Opera"

Your observations are deep in thought; but, possibly looking to close...

can is his powers be more in tune than Anakin's so he can sense Padme better?

"Possibly"

I'll stick to my interpretation, but add the tone of his voice also implies a jibe at Anakin, knowing his Padawan's affections for Padme. And I will reiterate that I don't believe Obi-wan ever acted or intended to act on his attraction.

I think that was all that was meant by it; if a Love Triangle was in GLs mind he would have made it a lot more apparent

I didn't say he made one, but that he toyed with the idea. Which he did, but ultimately never acted upon.


I do think Anakin felt this way at some point in ROTS; when he's looking at that picture thing and puts it down and says

"Obi Wan's been here"

There's something there.

So I think a better question would be:

"Did Anakin think Obi Wan was Attracted to Padme?"

And I would be ready to argue yes for that...

According to what GL would have us believe; I agree with you, no contradiction to your argument, Anakin suspected them, although GL would have solidified the feelings by peppering more interaction between Obi-wan and Padme throughout the movies (at least AotC and RotS) - not romantic ones, mind you, just ones that could be construed by a jealous Anakin as romantic ones.

I reiterate the jealousy angle, without reading into Obi-wan's tone in the elevator scene, just seems to erupt out of the blue in the last film.

Funny image that just popped into my head - how would Anakin react if, say, Obi-wan had lifted and kissed Padme's hand the way Lando kisses Leia's hand in front of Han Solo? (Not that I would have used that type of scene in the prequels, as it would be too heavy-handed, but just another way of examining Anakin's character...)

[RollaFett]

Heh, heh...I suspect we would've had yet another de-handing scene with a lightsaber.

[Raganork8]

Funny image that just popped into my head - how would Anakin react if, say, Obi-wan had lifted and kissed Padme's hand the way Lando kisses Leia's hand in front of Han Solo? (Not that I would have used that type of scene in the prequels, as it would be too heavy-handed, but just another way of examining Anakin's character...)


I actually think nothing would happen; Anakin never seemed to be a man of actions to me; unless it came down to protecting something he really cared for or needed for selfish reasons.

Something 'minor' like that would prompt a strange facial expression and perhaps a loud clearing of the throat.


Another point; and this might sound funny (as it's meant to be) but it's also serious


If Obi Wan wasn't clearly attracted to Shaak Ti or Aayla Secura I highly doubt Padme would do the trick.

[Darth Apotheosus]

I actually think nothing would happen; Anakin never seemed to be a man of actions to me; unless it came down to protecting something he really cared for or needed for selfish reasons.

Wouldn't, say, getting his friend to back off of his woman be a selfish reason? :)

Another point; and this might sound funny (as it's meant to be) but it's also serious


If Obi Wan wasn't clearly attracted to Shaak Ti or Aayla Secura I highly doubt Padme would do the trick.

I think we should be disturbed by your apparent fantasies :nahnah:... What's so attractive about the wormheads? Maybe you're thinking because they are strong women, but so was Padme. She was no diplomat, but she did take action when it was necessary, and she did display a certain strength of character that someone like Obi-wan would find attractive (like Siri Tachi in the EU, if I can refer to that here.)

[RollaFett]

(like Siri Tachi in the EU, if I can refer to that here.)

Hmmm...my mother referred to the EU once while in a movie section....ONCE. ;)

[Raganork8]

Wouldn't, say, getting his friend to back off of his woman be a selfish reason? :)



I think we should be disturbed by your apparent fantasies :nahnah:... What's so attractive about the wormheads? Maybe you're thinking because they are strong women, but so was Padme. She was no diplomat, but she did take action when it was necessary, and she did display a certain strength of character that someone like Obi-wan would find attractive (like Siri Tachi in the EU, if I can refer to that here.)

lol

I say that because in all estimations; they are better looking women; to think that Obi Wan would be only jarred by this one, nice looking Geisha/Senator seems a bit off

The only way I could attribute Anakin's Attraction is because they were bluntly stated to the point of nausea in AOTC.

I would say that getting his friend of Padme is a selfish reason; but, Anakin doesn't seem like the one to start a fight and threanten his whole life to prevent a kiss on the hand...This may cause some suspicion; quite like one we'd see in something like Othello, but, would it prompt immediate action?

I'm not convinced it would.

And a Fantasy of mine would be more like Anakin and Obi Wan; but that's a whole new thread within itself...

[csr74]

And what would be the problem with Obi-Wan feeling a certain attraction to a female Jedi like Shaak Ti?

I mean, yes, she is more attractive than Padme and doesn´t have less determination and weaker will than her. All in all, she´s got those qualities that might seem interesting to him. :scratchchin:




Of course, Padme is useful for other purposes, she is in the political world:
:dictator:

[Darth Apotheosus]

And what would be the problem with Obi-Wan feeling a certain attraction to a female Jedi like Shaak Ti?

I mean, yes, she is more attractive than Padme and doesn´t have less determination and weaker will than her. All in all, she´s got those qualities that might seem interesting to him. :scratchchin:




Of course, Padme is useful for other purposes, she is in the political world:
:dictator:

More attractive? Now I'm even more disturbed! :nahnah: That borders on the weirdness/beastiality from the Anime/Manga community!

[Darth Apotheosus]

The only way I could attribute Anakin's Attraction is because they were bluntly stated to the point of nausea in AOTC.

I find it interesting to note that GL found it necessary to pound it into our heads that Anakin and Padme were in love, something easily stated and gotten over as a "plot point" and yet (to address a point in another thread) GL does nothing in the movie to show that Anakin is a more powerful jedi than any other. Effectively, he turned a potential serious arse-kicking action flick into a degenerate and unconvincing love story.

Frankly, I would have preferred to see Anakin doing miraculous things as a jedi and would have rather accepted the stated plot point of "they were in love" and gotten it over with.

[csr74]

More attractive? Now I'm even more disturbed! :nahnah: That borders on the weirdness/beastiality from the Anime/Manga community!


Aha, here we have an Humanocentric Imperial...:nahnah:

[Darth Apotheosus]

Indeed, your assessment is true. I have, nor ever shall deny it! :nahnah:

[csr74]

In that case, you won´t feel comfortable with Daala and so on...:wink:


...not to mention Thrawn!