Darth Krayt's Real Identity Speculation

[Darth Massacrus]

this is a thread where we Senators can speculate who Darth Krayt may be. Be sure to back up your guess with some support....

[DarthSolo]

Someone we've never heard of.

Support: Because recycling old characters is something the other series in this era is doing. And because it's old. And because there are no really great candidates in the first place. And because there are no characters in the comic series that would have any past connection to someone we already know, so it would be a complete waste of a plot point.

Facts we do know or can assume about Krayt:

He must have been born no later than 20 ABY, though 10 ABY is much more likely.
He was almost definitley in the captivity of the Yuuzhan Vong sometime during the YV war because of the disease the YV implantations have given him.
He is human or near-human.
He "[knows] the Jedi from old" and "they could never share" his vision.
He claims to have been "patient in the Force" as he watched the Yuuzhan Vong invade and be defeated.

So, a theory I would put forth is that he was active in some sort of Force-sensitive organization (the Jedi, the Fallanassi, the Jensaarai) before the invasion, and was captured by one of the forward scouting groups of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, tested on and escaped. He either never found his way back to his Force-group (which I guess would be the Jensaarai, for they sent students to learn from Luke's Order and that could be how he got to know about the Jedi) or never tried to, feeling that he would never be accepted. But he watched the Jedi during the war and was not satisfied, so he decided to do something on his own. It took him til the end of the war to assemble knowledge of the Sith and a few to go along with his plans and never got over the fact that his Yuuzhan Vong tormentors weren't fully punished. So, that's his story, as far as I can tell!

[Darth Massacrus]

well, by 30 ABY, he had to have been Dark Lord, according to Legacy 1. This would mean that by the time of 40 ABY, ten years later, Lumiya couldnt have held the Dark Mantle, as there can only be one Dark Lord at a time. With this in mind, Krayt cannot be anyone seen in the Legacy novels as of yet (though it is damn near likely that he and his minions on Korriban were the 'other Sith out there' Lumiya mentioned). It is possible that he knew Lumiya from before 30 ABY, and was a part of her fleet or stormtrooper or Royal Guard detachement. He is male. He is Human. He had some contact with the Vong. He is about 120-130 years old as of 130 ABY. He knew much of Sith Lore, and had many Sith artifacts. He knew at least JarKai in terms of lightsaber forms. And he was strong in the Force. but that is all. With these things in mind, let us try to guess some possible identities:

Kir Kanos
Carnor Jax
a Mandalorian
a descendant of Quinlan Vos
Ken (Palpatines grandson)
someone completely new
a former Inquisitor
a member of Lumiyas forces
a shipwreck survivor who crash landed on Korriban (possibly Nalz Felgood)
a Jedi Padawan presumed killed by the Vong
other

please help me with this list

[csr74]

Oh, well, this thread appears at last as i had foreseen.:happydance:

About your list, as far as i can remember, Carnor Jax is dead, therefore we should discard him.

My own approach to this matter is different from yours, i prefer to pay some attention to the character himself, his traits and physical appearance. What can we get from this?

-He has a red and a blue eye. Curious, because Sith ussually have yellow eyes. As a side note: the same happens with Ysanne Issard. But possibly they are artificial.

-He wears a full suit of armor, at least similar to that of the YV. But he also has a helmet covering most of his head, which seems to be less common.

-He´s chosen (or has been given) the name Krayt. He also uses some expressions referring to certain animals that live in Tatooine (as the Krayt Dragons do). This might hint that he´s lived in Tatooine for a while (some years?), perhaps in his early life.

-Apparently he´s been in stasis for an undetermined period, but at the same time he seems to have been aware of the events in the outside world during that time. This might indicate that his birth can have taken place even as early as the first years of the Empire.

-According to his own words he didn´t play any role during the YV invasion and subsequent war. This may rule out some of the possibilities you listed above.

[Darth Massacrus]

as for Carnor Jax, perhaps he simply went into a Sith trance to survive, or stasis. Lumiya certainly could have taught him this, and the Sith name that Jax had never was revealed. As for the possible trance, Assajj Ventress also did this to escape death while seemingly dying. Or he could be Kanos, as it is possible that Kanos had some Force sensitivity, coupled with the fact that his whereabouts during the Vong War are unknown. Perhaps he went to Korriban like Palpatine often did, and there became a Sith. I tis possible. Quinlan Vos' descendants are also unnaccounted for, so that could be a source of Sith. Ken is also possible, as he was the very grandson of the Emperor Palpatine himself and would thus be very strong in the Force, and susceptible to the Dark Side. Perhaps he went to Korriban or a world from the Ancient Sith Empire, and was consumed by the Dark side energies that would naturally be present there.

[DarthSolo]

The people you list that don't have a specific name (ie a Mandolarian, Quinlan Vos' descendants, an Inquisitor, a Jedi Padawan, etc.) needn't be listed, as they would all be included under "a new guy". Also, there's no evidence to suggest that Krayt is or isn't any of those things. So, if we are looking for actual factual arguments about his identity, there's no reason to clutter up the thread with that type of stuff.

Now, in response to the three actual names you did give, I say this: I highly doubt, as I've said before, that the people in charge would recycle old characters twice for major roles in this new Sith Order. It would just be lame.

As for Ken: his character is already lame, and bringing him up is highly unlikely. Besides, his presence in the galaxy didn't really point him towards being a Sith. The majority of fans don't want obscure Gary Stu characters like this coming back to life. Dark Horse and Del Rey know this. Not gonna happen.

Carnor Jax, as stated before in this thead, is dead. His death is not, nor has it ever been in question. It would be an extremely bad move to resurect him.

Kir Kanos is actually, as much as I hate to admit it it, a factually sound candidate. The reason I don't think it's him is because of the reasons I stated a few paragraphs ago: bringing back old characters is overdone for this era. I wouldn't have a problem with Kanos being a Sith within the Order, but having him be Krayt is just uncreative. Give the galaxy a new story, please.

So, the list of factually possible candidates:

Someone new (most likely)
Kir Kanos (factually possible)
Ken (factually possible but lame and not going to happen)

[Darth Massacrus]

as for Carnor Jax, it is known that he knew the ways of the Sith from Lumiya, and could have gone into a Sith trance that would easily have fooled Kanos and Mirith Sinn. After all, Assajj Ventress, a mere Dark Jedi, pulled the old Sith Trance trick on Boz Pity, and practically the entire Jedi Council was present there, as well as Kenobi and Skywalker, yet she fooled them. If a Dark Jedi could do it to powerful Masters, then shouldnt a Sith Lord like Jax be able to do it to a 'mere' Royal Guardsman and a common New Republic Operative? As for bringing back old characters, Legacy has already done this, with examples being Lumiya, Aurra Sing, Darth Nihilus, Darth Bane, and before Legacy, Lomi Plo and Raynar Thul of all people were brought back in Dark Nest, as was the entire Killik Race. As for whether or not Ken could be brought back, it is likely, as he is the right age, lineage, knew the Jedi, strong in the Force, ect. As for whether he would be returned, that too is highly probable, as what could be more shocking a revelation for fans than the to Galactic Emperors both having the Imperial Bloodline, one being the Grandson of Fel 1, and the other the Grandson of the first ever Emperor? Anything less dramatic and it wouldnt be the Legacy of The Force, now would it? As for how Ken was portrayed in the early SW books, it was admittedly done rather poorly, but then again, so was everyone else, for that matter. Essentially, the kid Ken could be rather closely compared to the kid Anakin Skywalker in TPM, and look what happenned to him.

[DarthSolo]

You're misusing the term "brought back." Nihilus and Bane are simply Force spirits brought to life, in the Legacy era. They aren't brought back to play a major role in the story. Lomi Plo and Raynar Thul were placed where they were for a specific reason when they disappeared. That was done on purpose. Aurra Sing, as far as we can tell, is a one time thing. Lumiya and the Killiks were both brought back. Now, why would LucasLiscensing have THREE serieses in a row recycling old characters to play villians?

[Darth Massacrus]

suffice to say the Force acts in many strange in mysterious ways...

[csr74]

In my opinion, it might more probably be an entirely new character, although i wouldn´t rule out completely that he was related in some way to other known characters. Taking into account the "stasis" period he´s undergone (perhaps even more than once) that leaves us with many possibilities open. For instance, he could be a descendant (even a son?) of a couple of Jedi that survived the Purge. So just imagine, and this is probably one of the less weird theories we could make up.

[TuskenRaider1]

Two other possibilities exist, in my humble opinion...

1) A jedi thought to be lost during the YV War, as if I recall there were some who were MIA.

2)The other would be one of Vader acotyles or dark jedi. The jedi Krayt knew would have been Yoda and ObiWan as Vader learned of them etc.

THat being said, both have weaknesses in their theory. The other option is one DS i believ suggested, a Fallanasi or the like.

Interesting theories all though.

[Cassus Fett]

Here's a wild idea.. Darth Krayt's real identiy is someone they haven't brought into any of the stories yet and you may never now who he is so stop bringing up stupid ideas about dead characters coming back to become a Sith Lord.

[DarthSolo]

Two other possibilities exist, in my humble opinion...

1) A jedi thought to be lost during the YV War, as if I recall there were some who were MIA.

2)The other would be one of Vader acotyles or dark jedi. The jedi Krayt knew would have been Yoda and ObiWan as Vader learned of them etc.

THat being said, both have weaknesses in their theory. The other option is one DS i believ suggested, a Fallanasi or the like.

Interesting theories all though.
The problem with it being a Jedi gone MIA in the YV War, is that Kraty specifically said that he didn't participate in that war.

Cassus, I agree with you about bringing back dead characters. I think speculating about who a new character could be is fun. Though ultimately won't bring us any closer to conclusion.

So, the options under "New Guy" are:

Falanasi/Jensaarai/other Force-user sect
One of Vader or Sidious' acolytes or hands
Quinlan Vos' descendants

That's all I've got. Other ideas?

[Cassus Fett]

Here's one.. someone who is force-sensitive.

[Bobo the jedi monkey]

Hi everyone, I just joined up and wanted to say thanks for having me and that I have a few cents I wanted to throw in about our mysterious Darth Krayt.


My bet is on A'Sharad Hett so far.

The facial structure(or at least what you can make out, are really similar to A'Sharad's.

Both use the Jar Kai lightsaber style.

There is that whole: A'sharad BEING the dragon(metaphorically) after he slew one on Tatooine.


Its easy to say that they have thier issues with the dark side.


Both have a tribe mentallity, Krayt's rule of one, and A'sharad's tusken heritage.

Both wear masks. Its a long shot, but worth looking at.

This is also a long shot, but hear me out:

For the longest time I always assumed that Aurra Sing was half Nagai. I figured that the pale skin and the deathly appearance pointed towards half Nagai and half human(or whatever) We all know that Aurra has some serious beef with her estranged father. Wouldnt it be ironic if pops was no other than Drath Nihil? The legacy books have already brought Aurra back, I think that she will have some sort of tie in with Krayts sith order in some way. This is relevant in associating A'sharad Hett since he was one of the few who was ever able to defeat her in battle(lets not forget Jacen and how his own daughter bailed him out of that fight :nahnah:)

As for story continuity, and Krayt's age: I think that when he speaks of being born during the YV wars, I think he means that he became Darth Krayt during the wars. Most sith will leave old names and old lives behind after they achive sithdom. A'sharad was born in 47 BBY, a few years spent in stasis and a healthy diet could certainly keep him kicking for 177 years.

And finally.
I know how we all feel about bringing back old characters. I would say that it would be way too cheezy if they made yet another Skywalker into a sith lord but I wouldnt put it past Herr. Lucas. A'sharad is obscure enough i think that it wouldnt be too bad. I also think that a sand person sith lord would make an extremely easy villain to hate due to the war in Iraq and so much racial tension spanning from that(metaphorically speaking again of course)

Cheers,

BTJM

[DarthSolo]

Welcome to the Senate!

Interesting theory. I think the age thing is a bit of a problem. Thought we can't really see him, his eyes and the skin around them don't look to be 177. It's still a possibility though.

I don't really think the situation in the Middle East really has much effect on things. If he's a Sith, he's going to be hated anyway.

[Bobo the jedi monkey]

Welcome to the Senate!

Interesting theory. I think the age thing is a bit of a problem. Thought we can't really see him, his eyes and the skin around them don't look to be 177. It's still a possibility though.

I don't really think the situation in the Middle East really has much effect on things. If he's a Sith, he's going to be hated anyway.

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NO no no....I dont mean the issue with the sith, I mean the issue with the
sand person thing. They're a great example of a misunderstood people that are generally portrayed as barbaric. I just think that the writers might get pushed from the higher ups to depict a very middle eastern like people as the grand enemy in a saga, but thats just the conspiracy theorist in me speaking. I also think that the sand people were always the "lev 1 NPCs" in most comics and games and what not, the writers might want to change that.

The age thing can be explained by the healing trances and stasis.

[csr74]

Interesting indeed. Well, i have my own ideas regarding this character. The fact that he says he knows the Jedi seems to imply he doesn´t feel as having ever belonged to them (or perhaps i´m reading too much into such a tiny bit and therefore very out of the way). Now it dawns on me it can be a similar thing as you´ve said, he being a Sith implies he´s not a Jedi...

But somehow, he doesn´t appear to me as a Jedi...

Another thing that bugs me is the reason for his health issues. Is it only old age, his armour consuming him, or some kind of degenerative disease? Or the three all rolled into one?

[DarthSolo]

At some point he mentions the Yuuzhan Vong parasites in his body. I was assuming he'd gotten something like slave coral implanted in him. Or maybe there's something more interesting about that armour.

[Darth Massacrus]

that is possible... however, Legacy 7 also reveals that he 'had the chance to destroy the Skywalker lineage' but did not. So it would mean that he likely isnt a relative of that bloodline. However, it does mean that at some point he knew either Anakin, Luke, or Ben Skywalker, and possibly even Jacen and Anakin Solo...

[Bobo the jedi monkey]

that is possible... however, Legacy 7 also reveals that he 'had the chance to destroy the Skywalker lineage' but did not. So it would mean that he likely isnt a relative of that bloodline. However, it does mean that at some point he knew either Anakin, Luke, or Ben Skywalker, and possibly even Jacen and Anakin Solo...


I personally dont think that he is a Skywalker, unless of course the writers want to make Krayt a suicidal Ben Skywalker which is unlikely. But the 'had the chance to destroy the Skywalker lineage' could point to anyone from Anakin to Kol Skywalker. And since the Skywalkers have a talent for pissing off the wrong people, our Darth Krayt could be placed anywhere from the old republic era to the YV war.:duel:

[Darth Massacrus]

yes, but it would indicate someone who knew the Skywalkers well, or at least combated one of them. and as Krat was already on Korriban in 30 ABY, it likely is someone from before then.

[Bobo the jedi monkey]

yes, but it would indicate someone who knew the Skywalkers well, or at least combated one of them. and as Krat was already on Korriban in 30 ABY, it likely is someone from before then.

Yep, I totally agree, now we just have to look at who could have ended the Skywalker lineage by killing Anakin, Luke and Leia, or the sum of the Skywalkers before or during the YV war.

[Darth Massacrus]

and also, who would have had motive....

[Bobo the jedi monkey]

and also, who would have had motive....

Well he is a sith lord....

Any number of people would have motive, if Krayt is refering to a time after he was a dark sider, than thats all we need to know, the Skywalkers are the backstreet boys of the force, of course he has motive then.

If its refering to a time before his fall to the dark side, than it narrows down the field a bit. A'sharad probably had some beef with Anakin, due to him slaughtering an entire Sand Person village and being a selfish brat in general, or any number of ex-jedi would have an issue with Anakin if they survived order 66. Theres too many to mention, like I said, the Skywalkers have a talent for pissing people off so it could be anyone really if we're banking on that idea.

[Darth Massacrus]

Actually, this makes the possibilty of Krayt being Kir Kanos even more likely, as Kanos hated anyone responsible for Palpatines death, and it has been established on the previous page that Kanos is likely.

[csr74]

But he might just be referring to the Massacre of Ossus, where Kol Skywalker died, and Cade (another whiny brat) was presumed dead...

Sorry for stepping on this line of thought.

Somehow i can´t figure Kir Kanos as Darth Krayt...i would prefer to imagine him living peacefully with a family in the countriside.

[Bobo the jedi monkey]

Actually, this makes the possibilty of Krayt being Kir Kanos even more likely, as Kanos hated anyone responsible for Palpatines death, and it has been established on the previous page that Kanos is likely.


I seriously doubt the Krayt would be anyone from the imperial guard, I dont think that someone so attached to the emperor would destroy the rule of two.

Also, I doubt that Kir Kanos, even after a century of stasis and learning, would grown enough of a spine to
be a badass sith lord like Krayt. If Kir Kanos had even the slightest chance of being a sith lord he would have to admit that the emperor was weak for allowing himself to be defeated by the Skywalker bloodline, and not dwell on revenge.

[Darth Massacrus]

good point, csr74. As for who else could be Krayt, Ken (Palpatines Grandson) also had motive and means to do it.

[DarthSolo]

Sigh. Why? WHY? WHY must we think about these Gary Stu type characters?!?!

[Bobo the jedi monkey]

Sigh. Why? WHY? WHY must we think about these Gary Stu type characters?!?!

I don't think mine is terribly Gary Stuish....:blink:

Im just being logical.

[DarthSolo]

No, youre is cool. Different. I was referring to Ken. Ugh.

[Cassus Fett]

Here's what ive read on Wookiepedia about Darth Krayt


Krayt was born into a Galaxy deeply wounded by the Galactic Civil War and the Yuuzhan Vong War, leading him to believe that the Galaxy was fractured and weak, and that a single will was needed to make it whole and strong again.


This states that he was born after the YV War. The YV caputured a number of Jedi didnt they and experimented on some of them? could he be the result of this?

[Darth Massacrus]

no, that is innaccurate. Krayt is specifically stated to have been on Korriban with is Sith for over a century before 130 ABY. This means that he was there during the Vong War.

[Bobo the jedi monkey]

Here's what ive read on Wookiepedia about Darth Krayt



This states that he was born after the YV War. The YV caputured a number of Jedi didnt they and experimented on some of them? could he be the result of this?



Personally I still think this is refering to him being "born" into the sith.
:holosid:

[Cassus Fett]

Ok, then you can change my thing slightly and still have a captured Jedi being experimented on and him being the result of this.

[Cydon]

"Who the hell is Krayt?" Is a better name for this thread.

[Darth Massacrus]

Senators: please do not believe something just because it is on Wookiepedia. Wookiepedia is not an official SW source, merely a fan maintained online database.

[Cydon]

Yes, yes of course.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Imperial_Knights_Slained.JPG

[csr74]

I tend to think that phrase is more rethorical than anything else. I mean, he was born in a time of great distress for the Galaxy with all the Galactic Civil War and the YV Invasion and their consequences affecting it. It´s not mean to indicate an accurate date of birth.

[Cassus Fett]

Senators: please do not believe something just because it is on Wookiepedia. Wookiepedia is not an official SW source, merely a fan maintained online database.

Massacrus: please dont think you now everything just because you copy and paste stuff from the internet about the history of something and then make believe its your own stuff.

[Darth Massacrus]

actually, I have NEVER cut and pasted ANYTHING from the net. BTW: I happen to have an extensive SW EU material collection, and simply a good memory. And if youve seen any of my fan works or more legnthy posts, you might come to that conclusion. But as for cutting and pasting, do not ever accuse me of that. :mad:

[Cassus Fett]

is that why ive read what you have posted in answers to some questions from members else where on the internet so you have just copied and pastied it.

[DarthSolo]

Play nice, boys. And stay on topic.:whip:

And I agree with csr. Being "born" is probably just being born into the Sith. He also says at the beginning of the Legacy series that he watched as the Jedi screwed up the whole Yuuzhan Vong situation. So, he obviously couldn't have been born after the war.

[csr74]

I wonder...was Darth Krayt possibly in that weird stasis during all that time, i mean the YV war? I term it as "weird" because apparently he was fully aware of the external events at the time.

Another idea...was his armour an attempt to fend off for a while his health issues?

[Darth Massacrus]

perhaps it was similar to the suspended animation trrance that Naga Sadow went into after the Great Hyperspace War...

[csr74]

Interesting point. Though it raises the question of how and when did he started his work.

[Darth Massacrus]

It was merely waiting until the Sith were strong enough and there was the right opportunity to strike.

[Darth Massacrus]

UPDATE: issue 15 of Legacy will reveal Darth Krayts identity.

the most likely candidates are:

Kir Kanos
Quinlan Vos or descendant
Ken


but hey, dont go by me....

[Sam Kenobi]

While I don't have the brain power to remember or put things together like you guys can, I believe it to be a new character, but with familiar lineage. A descendant of important people of the last generations. Just my two cents.

[Darth Massacrus]

^actually, that is possible. We do know from his comment about how he chose not to destroy the Skywalkers that he isnt one, and we know that he is at least 127 years old, about. We do know that he has an identity, and that it will be revealed in Legacy 15. He's been on Korriban since before 30 ABY, as in 130 ABY he recalls how he was there for over a hundred years. We know he is strong in the Force, and we know he is a human male. We know he was active as a Sith simultaneous to Lumiya's and Jacen Solo's activities during the years around 40 ABY, but no more. And because the final fates of folks like Ken and Kir Kanos are not known, and their whereabouts as of the Vong War are also unknown, it could very well be one of them. But hey, dont go by me....

[Sam Kenobi]

A Lumiya/Jacen love child? :like:

Is that as lame as it sounds?

[Darth Massacrus]

well, seeing as Lumiya is the apprentice of Jacens grandfather and as old as his mother, not to mention a Cyborg, and that Jacen already has a wife and kid, coupled with the fact that Krayt was already on Korriban training new Sith at this point, kinda makes me sorta somehow almost pretty much wary of that.....:wink:

[Sam Kenobi]

:w00t:

[Bobo the jedi monkey]

When does issue 15 come out anyway?

[csr74]

I don´t know, but it will take some time.

I tend to consider that his identity will depend on how spectacular they want the revelation to be.

[Sam Kenobi]

Which was the last issue to come out? The last I've seen was . . . eleven, I believe.

[DarthSolo]

I thought it was ten. I've only bought up to nine, though.

[Sam Kenobi]

Eleven is good. But really has nothing to do with Krayt.

[Darth Massacrus]

the next story arc is named after him. I bet Krayt is either Ken or Kir Kanos. In any event the fact that Palps' grandson rules the galaxy and also destroyed the Jedi is cool, but so is the concept of a Royal Guardsman Dark Lord of the Sith....

[Sam Kenobi]

Which was the last issue to come out? The last I've seen was . . . eleven, I believe.

I thought it was ten. I've only bought up to nine, though.

Eleven is good. But really has nothing to do with Krayt.

Yes, it was ten, but eleven should be out anytime now . . .

[Darth Massacrus]

yup.

[Bobo the jedi monkey]

So did I miss something? I thought that Krayt's identity wouldnt be revealed till #15. This last one that came out( #11 I think) makes it seem pretty clear who Krayt is. At the end of the book, the big glowy head in Cade's vision that changes to Krayt in the next frame......any thoughts.....am I right?:giveup:

[darth bangkok]

#12 was the last one to come out. I don't remember that picture at the end of #11, I'll check it out tonight.

I was thinking maybe its Ben. He found out a little of Darth Plageious's way to live forever, but its wearing off. hence Krayt asking the Sith ghosts for help. And I think Ben will become stronger/smarter than Jacen. So if Jacen does convince Ben to be his apprentice, one day Ben will kill him and take over. That might also explain why Krayt is interested in keeping Cade alive.

[Sam Kenobi]

I haven't seen any new ones out yet. Last one I have is ten. Stupid Borders.

[darth bangkok]

you need to catch up, #13 is coming out in two weeks!

[Darth Massacrus]

lets review. Krayt is humanoid male. He is strong in the Force. He has been a Sith since at least 30 BBY. Therefore, he cannot be Jacen Solo/Darth Cadeus, nor can he be Ben Skywalker. My guess? Either Kir Kanos, Ken, A'Sharad Hett, a relative of Quinlan Vos, Maarek Steele, or Tholme.

[Master_Kinnon]

Can't to find out who Darth Krayt is, but it better be a shock! No more anti-climax please!

I don't think that Krayt is a Jedi from the Old Republic, that just doesn't sit well with me. But what about Korto Vos? We know nothing about what happened to Quin's family after the Clone Wars yet. Would be an interesting twist.

[Darth Massacrus]

Hmm. Had'nt thought of that. But thinking along those lines, it would be a real shocker if the current Emperor and Dark Lord of the Sith was none other than Emperor Palpatine's grandson, Ken; or Kir Kanos, last of the Imperial Royal Guards.

[Master_Kinnon]

Would be keeping things in the family line I suppose if he was Palpatine's grandson.

From Vader to Caedus and from Palpatine to Krayt.

[Darth Massacrus]

hmmm, following that line of thought, say Vader's descendant Cade becomes Krayt's apprentice. Things have come full circle if THAT happens....










on another thought, Palpatine looked as old as Krayt IS. Kinda makes one wonder what Krayt looks like under all that armor....

[Master_Kinnon]

Now doubt we'll find out at some point. Though you have to wonder as well, who was Krayt's Master?

[Darth Massacrus]

well, once we know who Krayt is, the identity of his master could be figured. Of course, if he was at one point a Jedi, he likely had more than one Master. Perhaps he also learned things from Palaptine, Lumiya, and Vader (as he was alive to have) as well as Luke Skywalker (remember that line about him having opted not to destroy the Skywalkers). Or perhaps he learned things from some of the Sith spirits on Korriban, as he was there for a century growing his Order (and when he spoke to Bane and Andeddu, they mentioned he had come before)....

or perhaps none of the above apply, and he got his knowledge from old tombs and Holocrons. Who knows?

[Master_Kinnon]

The sooner we find out the better I say. I just hope that this doesn't end up one massive anti-climax as has unfortunately happened in other places of the EU.

[Darth Massacrus]

well, in about a month from now we get Legacy #14, which starts the storyline that Krayt's past is revealed in. And sometime in September, we finally get our answer. who do you want Darth Krayt to be?

[Morridini]

After reading the news for the coming comics from the OS I wonder if Krayt could be an offspring of Obi-Wan Kenobi, surely Kenobi must have had some fun in the 20 years he lived alone on Tatooine? He's a young man, handsome and must get bored at times.

Krayt is supposed to be pretty old so he could either be a son of Obi or grandson.
Tatooine is where the Krayt Dragon is from and could explain why he chose that as Sith name.
As his identity will be revealed in Legacy 15 (most likely at the end) why would Legacy 16 be about Obi-Wan's legacy?

Source: Star Wars: Fall 2007 Comics and beyond (http://www.starwars.com/eu/lit/comics/news20070713.html)

Much has been told about the legacy of the Skywalker family, but until now little has been said of the legacy of Obi-Wan Kenobi! If you think you know the whole story, prepare yourself for a shock. In the wake of the Clone Wars, Obi-Wan fought a lonely battle -- the outcome of which rocks the future of the Star Wars galaxy! Another layer of the Legacy mystery is revealed in Star Wars: Legacy #16, third part of the six-part "Dragon" story arc by John Ostrander, Jan Duursema, Dan Parson and Brad Anderson, with cover art by Travis Charest. It is due out on September 12.

[Master_Kinnon]

I've been thinking about this the last few days, and been re-reading the Legacy comics that I have. Something I've noticed, and it could be just me, is that Krayt has facial tattoos (that you can see) that are similar to A'Sharad Hett. If it's him I'll be gutted 'cause I was hoping it wouldn't be an old republic Jedi, but we don't have long to wait to find out.

[Morridini]

Yeah I read about the Tattoos at wikipedia for quite some time ago. And him being a Old Republic Jedi wouldn't really fit in, as I would have guessed him having better skill and general knowledge within the Force. Also I don't think he is that old.

However the Tattoos can again help the Kenobi theory, because Kenobi was a good Jedi and might have come in contact with some Tusken who aren't as narrow-minded as most Tusken, and somehow the Tattoos might have passed along.

[csr74]

Most interesting, but if Kenobi is the father...who´s the mother? Another fugitive Jedi, perhaps?

A weird idea about Krayt´s possible master....at the end of the game Empire at War: Forces of Corruption, an Army of Sith warriors is discovered all frozen in carbonite, and in a cut scene there appears to be a Sith Lord in the same situation. Could this one be Krayt´s master? Remember he would be a pre-Ruusan Sith and therefore knows nothing of the rule of two...

[Master_Kinnon]

Most interesting, but if Kenobi is the father...who´s the mother? Another fugitive Jedi, perhaps?

A weird idea about Krayt´s possible master....at the end of the game Empire at War: Forces of Corruption, an Army of Sith warriors is discovered all frozen in carbonite, and in a cut scene there appears to be a Sith Lord in the same situation. Could this one be Krayt´s master? Remember he would be a pre-Ruusan Sith and therefore knows nothing of the rule of two...

That would be an interesting scenario! But then you would have to ask, how did Krayt find out about the Rule of Two?

If he was Obi-Wan's kid, then how would he end up dark? He would need to led down a dark path, and surely Obi-Wan wouldn't stand back and let that happen? Unless of course, he knew nothing about the kid in the first place.

[Morridini]

Well for one, Obi doesn't have to know of his son. Which actually would have to be the case to not conflict with Ben from ANH.

As for Krayts master, didn't he learn everything from Sith Holocrons on Korriban? And if that is the case he could very well have traveled to Korriban as a good person and left as evil (like Exar Kun).

And to csr74, I see no reason why his mother needed to be anything special, just a prostitute or lonely woman would be enough.

[csr74]

Well, of course, Krayt would find out about the rule of two (and this presumed master too) but they wouldn´t feel compelled at all to follow it.

What if there was some kind of disease affecting the boy and Kenobi had to put him somewhere in stasis? And if the disease killed the mother another problem solved..

[Master_Kinnon]

And to csr74, I see no reason why his mother needed to be anything special, just a prostitute or lonely woman would be enough.

It would not be keeping with Obi-Wan to have a one night stand or sleep with a prostitute, but point well taken, it could be any number of scenarios to get him with someone.

[Morridini]

Well Obi-wan surely likes to drink (or so it seems with his knowledge of bars in AotC and ANH), and after all he is a human as well as a Jedi. And he can thus make mistakes. The point is, if the writers want to add a child to Obi, there's hundreds of ways to do it. But I just don't want it to be another surviving Jedi on Tatooine for him to make babies with.

As for Obi-Wans son ending up Dark Side seeming far-fetched for some, there is still enough time for the writers to make Krayt Obis grandson, leaving a lot of room for Obi jr to screw up Krayt.

[Master_Kinnon]

That would be a bit of a cop out if it was another fugitive Jedi. To be honest, I hope it isn't the spawn of Kenobi, but we'll have to just wait and see!

[Morridini]

I have absolutly no idea of what you mean with the term "a cop out"...

Well whether or not it is a Kenobi or not doesn't really bother me much, I just want to know!!! Silly time, going so slow...

[Master_Kinnon]

Sorry, my bad for using Scottish slang. What I mean is if they made it another fugitive Jedi on Tattooine to explain the "mother" of Kenobi's child, then they'd be taking the easy way out.

[csr74]

Well, i think it wold be just using available resources, and solving some loose ends here and there. The problem is, i think, that there aren´t so many Jedi females available...i came up with the idea because it seemed more logical that under such a situation, being pursued by the Empire and so on, Kenobi would only rely on someone he knew beforehand, and therefore the bigger odds were that it was a Jedi.

About Krayt´s knowledge of the rule of two, i think that eventually he will learn about it (mainly through holocrons and such), but if his master were a Sith from before Darth Bane´s time, it would make sense that both of them decided not to follow the rule.

[Master Magnus]

Well, we'll know who he is in one month...

[Darth Massacrus]

huh, I hadnt thought about Krayt and Kenobi being related in any way, but it seems sorta likely. I just hope A'Sharad Hett doesnt turn out to be Krayt, if only because he wasnt one of my favorites. As for that frozen Sith Army from EaWFC, those Sith were wearing armor identical to that worn by Sith Troopers from the Kotor games (ie, 3955 years before ANH). Although if that Sith master is Krayt, it would explain a lot...
Legacy 14 is now in stores, and Krayt is shown in his stasis tube, which looks like a bacta tank made out of the same stuff as his armor. He's guarded by Darth Wyrrlokk III, who mentions that his grandfather was Darth Wyrrlokk I, his mother Darth Wyrrlokk II, and his daughter is training on Korriban to be Darth Wyrrlokk IV. Other than the fact that Krayt is dying slowly, nothing else is revealed (oh, and Cade is captured by Nihl and Talon).

Perhaps the Wyrrlokk's are descendants of Mas Amedda (who was in charge of Palpatines Sith antiques)?

[csr74]

That´s an idea, Darth Massacrus. All that Darth whatever I, II, III and so on gives the whole thing a strange flavour of respectability...

My idea is that the frozen Sith Lord is Krayt´s master (perhaps found him when searching for some Sith hopefuls).

[TuskenRaider1]

Im very interested by the Obi-Wan angle, as long as they pull it off right, and not just an "oh, this would be cool, um, lets say this..." type attitude.

[Sam Kenobi]

That's a very interesting theory. Where did this:

Much has been told about the legacy of the Skywalker family, but until now little has been said of the legacy of Obi-Wan Kenobi! If you think you know the whole story, prepare yourself for a shock. In the wake of the Clone Wars, Obi-Wan fought a lonely battle -- the outcome of which rocks the future of the Star Wars galaxy! Another layer of the Legacy mystery is revealed in Star Wars: Legacy #16, third part of the six-part "Dragon" story arc by John Ostrander, Jan Duursema, Dan Parson and Brad Anderson, with cover art by Travis Charest. It is due out on September 12.

come from? Because quite frankly, this is very convincing.

[Morridini]

That's a very interesting theory. Where did this come from? Because quite frankly, this is very convincing.
How did you manage to get my quote without noticing my source? I always post sources when quoting stuff.

Anyway here is my post from the previous page with source and all:


After reading the news for the coming comics from the OS I wonder if Krayt could be an offspring of Obi-Wan Kenobi, surely Kenobi must have had some fun in the 20 years he lived alone on Tatooine? He's a young man, handsome and must get bored at times.

Krayt is supposed to be pretty old so he could either be a son of Obi or grandson.
Tatooine is where the Krayt Dragon is from and could explain why he chose that as Sith name.
As his identity will be revealed in Legacy 15 (most likely at the end) why would Legacy 16 be about Obi-Wan's legacy?

Source: Star Wars: Fall 2007 Comics and beyond (http://www.starwars.com/eu/lit/comics/news20070713.html)


Much has been told about the legacy of the Skywalker family, but until now little has been said of the legacy of Obi-Wan Kenobi! If you think you know the whole story, prepare yourself for a shock. In the wake of the Clone Wars, Obi-Wan fought a lonely battle -- the outcome of which rocks the future of the Star Wars galaxy! Another layer of the Legacy mystery is revealed in Star Wars: Legacy #16, third part of the six-part "Dragon" story arc by John Ostrander, Jan Duursema, Dan Parson and Brad Anderson, with cover art by Travis Charest. It is due out on September 12.

[Sam Kenobi]

Wow. Y'know, I'm not really sure. :banghead:

[Darth Massacrus]

hmm. Since it is likely that at some point during his stay on Tatooine that Kenobi had contact with A'Sharad Hett, who was a Tusken Raider Jedi Knight, perhaps the two are related in terms of how A'Sharad Hett MAY have become Darth Krayt. After all:

A'Sharad Hett was a Tusken Raider who became a Jedi
Tusken Raiders have legends about Krayt Dragons
he used two lightsabers in combat (as Darth Krayt also did)
his facial tatoos/lines seem to match ones that peek out from Darth Krayt's armor


granted, this is pure speculation, but I think that rather than someone cool like Kir Kanos or Ken, the real identity of Darth Krayt may be A'Sharad Hett.....


still, how Kenobi would fit in is anyones guess....

[Nightvision90]

I think is hard as of now to know who Krayt is.

[Darth Massacrus]

uh, no. Jacen is Darth Cadeus.

Darth Krayt was already on Korriban and growing the Sith by the time Jacen became Dark Lord.

[Morridini]

I think is hard as of now to know who Krayt is.

Well duh.

Kinda the point of having a mystery.

[Darth Massacrus]

well, since it likely will be A'Sharad Hett, do you think that it would have been better if Kir Kanos or Ken turned out to be Krayt?


NOTE: the above words assume that Darth Massacrus was and is correct and disappointed in assuming that Darth Krayt is really A'Sharad Hett.

[Morridini]

I find it really unlikely that it is A'Sharad Hett.

[Darth Massacrus]

bet you 50 US dollars that it is


though I dont want him to be....

[Morridini]

My impressions of Krayt so far through legacy is that he isn't really that impressive, he has got some brute force, but not so much real knowledge. if he had been a Jedi from the Clone Wars era he should have experienced a lot more and be much more wiser etc. I t just doesn't fit with the Krayt we have seen so far. I also cannot see him being that old.

[Darth Massacrus]

well, he uses two lightsabers (like Hett), has similar tatoos (like Hett).

more:

Hett was from Tatooine, and returned there after Order 66. Nothing more is known.

Krayt Dragons are found only on Tatooine



other than that, there might not be much, but I cant help but think that Darth Krayt used to be A'Sharad Hett.

again, though, I wish he still turns out to be Kanos or Ken.

[Morridini]

I am still thinking he has something to do with Kenobi.
Revealing his identity in Issue 15 (most likely at the end) and then issue 16 is about the Kenobi Legacy. Doesn't add quite up if they aren't connected in my opinion.

[Master_Kinnon]

Obi-Wan's legacy doesn't necessarily mean off spring. Considering that it might be A'Sharrad Hett, it's possible that while the two are on Tatooine Kenobi does something to accidently turn A'Sharrad to the dark side ie kill someone he loves. I mean part of the summary for Legacy 16 is:

If you think you know the whole story, prepare yourself for a shock. In the wake of the Clone Wars (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_Wars), Obi-Wan fought a lonely battle—the outcome of which rocks the future of the Star Wars (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars) galaxy (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Galaxy)!

That could be a literal battle against a tribe of Tuskens or any other number of people. There's nothing to say that the outcome of his "lonely battles" didn't have repercussions he wasn't aware of.

[Morridini]

Yeah they did formulate that info so that it can mean a million things. Where do A'Sharrad appear? In the Republic comics?

[csr74]

I think perhaps we should take a look at Darth Krayt...he looks very muscular and, i don´t remember any of the mentioned characters as being so bulky (i mean Ken, Kir Kanos or A´Sharad Hett). Of course, that´s just my opinion.

[Darth Massacrus]

of course, it could also just be the Vonduun Crab armor's after-effects...

[Morridini]

Hmm, anyone noticed in the arc with Cades mother a flashback as to when the Vongforming/Terraforming process started going wrong and someone in teh background of a medical scene has some kind of growth on his back that resembles a lot Krayts armor? I'll hunt down a scan tomorrow.

[Darth Chrisious]

So, in 4 days time we will know after over a year of anticipation, lets use this opportunity to place our final bet on who he really is.

Odds:
A'Sharad Hett 1/3
Son of Obi-Wan 11/10
Jacen Solo 4/1
Anakin Solo 9/2
Lucien Draay 50/1
Zayne Carrick 125/1
Palpatine 2,000/1
Mr T 10,000/1
Luke Skywalker 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999/1

Other character who we've seen before 11/2
Other character who we have not seen before 13/2

My final bet:
A son of Obi-Wan we've never seen before

[Master_Kinnon]

Hmmm my first reaction was Mr T, but on thinking about it...I dunno. I'm coming round to the idea that it could be A'Sharrad Hett, but the odds are crap on him.

The juries out I think.

[Darth Massacrus]

well, I pity the fools who said MR. T.

anyone who's been to the Darth Krayt thread here knows I'm betting on A'Sharad Hett.

Also, they know I would prefer Ken or Kir Kanos, but hey, you never know....

[csr74]

of course, it could also just be the Vonduun Crab armor's after-effects...

I guess that might be an explanation, although i don´t see how can the armor produce such effect, unless you mean it makes him look like that.:scratchchin:

About what Morridini has said, i think it may be a clue or not, as far as i can remember such growths appeared in the population of planets that suffered the vongformation, and therefore it can mean something related to the identity of Darth Krayt or not.

And about his armor, don´t you find it curious that it lacks the couple of crab legs that deform the mouth of the wearer and instead it includes a helmet?

[csr74]

I would be with Darth Chrisious on this one, i think.

[Horse_Head]

Threads merged

[Morridini]

Hmm, anyone noticed in the arc with Cades mother a flashback as to when the Vongforming/Terraforming process started going wrong and someone in teh background of a medical scene has some kind of growth on his back that resembles a lot Krayts armor? I'll hunt down a scan tomorrow.

Ops I almost forgot this.
Here's the thing I was thinking of:
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1926/blz04jk1.jpg

This is from legacy 12, page 4.
I was thinking that Darth Krayts armor could be something like the growths on the poor guy in the first two squares. His Force powers would be the reason why it hasn't totally consumed him.

[Sam Kenobi]

That's an interesting theory. :scratchchin:

[Darth Massacrus]

I think it's more likely that Darth Krayt acquired is armor during the Yuuzhan Vong War, way before the Sith-Imperial War.

[Darth Chrisious]

I know who he is :censored:

[Morridini]

Hmm, when people want to start talking about this remember the spoiler tags.

Simply write the info[/spoiler*] (remove the *s) to not ruin it for those of us who haven't read the issue yet.

Spoilers also containing one scan from Legacy 15 (darned the spoiler tag doesn't hide images, image as link then):
[spoiler]
So he turned out to be...

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2726/blz23ry5.jpg

A'Sharad Hett...

Kinda disappointing because that's a character I have no history with, he was in the Republic series right?
However it must mean that Krayt is more then he has seemed to be so far, I always felt that he was weaker then what I would have expected a Republic Jedi to be.

i was kinda hoping that my point about the growths would have something to do with Krayt as they showed up earlier in this issue, but if you look at the rim between his neck and the armor it looks like they are not grown together.

Lucky for me I don't care about copyright laws so am gonna read through the comics he has appeared in before, got them all on computer anyway.

So what do the rest of you think?

[TuskenRaider1]

Ooohh. Depth, I like...so many options now for the series.

[Morridini]

I can never start in the middle of a series so even though Hett first appears in Republic 10 or so I have to read 1-9 first, so haven't yet gotten to the part where he is. However, is he the one in your Avatar?

[TuskenRaider1]

Yup. Its more cuz of the Tusken thing, but he has been an interesting character to follow. Makes me excited for issue #16 with the Obi-wan stuff, since I always wondered how he could be on Tatooine and not know about Obi-wan's return (no reason he should know about Luke)

[csr74]

Hmmmm, isn´t it a bit "weak" of a revelation to be a real shock?

[Morridini]

Not really.

[Sam Kenobi]

LOL, I suppose I'll just stop coming to this thread until I can find 15 in stores. I just found 14. :/

[Master_Kinnon]

Kinda gutted 'cause I hoped that after all the speculation it would be someone that would surprise us. Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to find out how he became Darth Krayt, but still, A'Sharad is one of my favourite characters, and I think it's a poor reflection on him that he's become Krayt.

Moderator edit: Added spoiler tags.//Master Magnus

[csr74]

That´s more or less what i wanted to mean, after all this fuss about the matter the final result is a bit dissapointing. Perhaps it´s our fault, because apparently it wasn´t meant to be such a secret, and it´s been us who have built up the expectation. But it kind of gives me the impression that it´s been solved the "easy" way.

[Master Magnus]

Well, there the last interest I had in the series disappeared. The EU authors are trying too hard to connect the PT era with the post-Endor era and it doesn't make very much sense to me.

[Morridini]

Anyone else wonder why two of the three biggest Sith the last 1000 years (Vader, Krayt amd Palps) are from Tatooine?

[Master_Kinnon]

Anyone else wonder why two of the three biggest Sith the last 1000 years (Vader, Krayt amd Palps) are from Tatooine?

The last one you mention is from Naboo, not Tatooine.

[Morridini]

Yes I know, re-read my post, I said that two of the three biggest Sith the last 1000 years were from Tatooine, then I mentioned who I meant by "three biggest Sith the last 1000 years".

[csr74]

I can make a guess (don´t rely much on it seeing how things have developed lately :wink:), but perhaps there´s some dark energy in the planet or a certain "dark location" that affects people there.

[Darth Massacrus]

See? I TOLD you it would likely be A'Sharad Hett beneath the armor. The only thing that really surprised me was that Krayt could take off his helmet.

After this, I will try not to say that Darth Krayt should have been Ken or Kir Kanos.


So who thinks that when Obi-Wan was on Tatooine, Tusken raiders led by Hett attacked Kenobi or the Lars residence, forcing Kenobi to destroy them and battle Hett, thus leading Hett to the darkside?

Moderator edit: Spoiler tags added.//Master Magnus

[Master Magnus]

The rules concerning spoilers still apply. Use the spoiler tags please.

[csr74]

I think it´s a possibility, Darth Massacrus. But again my guesses might just as well be wrong and perhaps it will be a bit more complicated.

[Morridini]

More info about Krayt coming soon (November)

Source: November 2007 Comics (http://www.starwars.com/eu/lit/comics/news20070816.html)
Hoping to free their friend Cade Skywalker from the clutches of the Sith, Deliah Blue and Jeriah Syn receive help from a surprising source. And Cade, who was captured by the Sith while trying to free Jedi Hosk Tre'Lyis, discovers that Hosk has found his own path to freedom, via the Force. The good, evil, and those in-between are coming together, and the result is going shake the foundations of the Empire! Plus, the full story of Darth Krayt's origin is revealed!

Star Wars: Legacy #18, the fifth part of the six-part "Dragon" story-arc, is by John Ostrander, Jan Duursema, Dan Parsons, Brad Anderson and Travis Charest. It is due out on November 14.

[Sam Kenobi]

Well I was certainly excited to find out the truth. I'm starting to really like this series.

[Brian]

Krayt is a Skywalker. I don't know how or why, but that is my gut feeling.

[Morridini]

Well, it was kinda revealed two months ago...

[Brian]

Whoops! I haven't read all of the thread (or all of the Legacy comics). In which issue was it revealed?

[Morridini]

Legacy 15.
In Legacy 16 we got to know what drove him to the Dark Side.

Btw: I could upload the comic and send it to you, if so PM me

[csr74]

Yes, the topic´s title is now a common knowledge and therefore it should be ended...unless you want to use this thread to discuss the whole Legacy comics, for instance:


If it would be interesting to see Darth Wyrlokk (the third) in a Press Conference, or something like that.