Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers

[huttslime]

I started making a list of all the SDs in SW, and I want to complete it.

If anyone has anything to add, feel free to do so.

Here is what I got done so far:

(Actually it's all the ships of the Imperial navy I want to list, so try to find out names of Victories, Dreadnaghts and all that)


Accuser - becomes the Emancipator
Adjudicator - becomes the Liberator
Allegiance
Avarice
Avenger
Basilisk
Battle of Yavin
Black Asp - becomes the Corusca Rainbow
Black Ice
Chimaera
Conquest
Corrupter
Corusca Rainbow - formerly the Black Asp
Death's Hand
Death Star
Death Star II
Devastator
Devotion - formerly the Valorous
Dominator
Eclipse
Eclipse II
Edict
Emancipator - formerly the Accuser
Eviscerator
Executor
Expeditious
Eye of Palpatine
Firestorm
Forger
Gnisnal
Gorgon
Harridon
Hydra
Intimidator - becomes the Pride of Yevetha
Iron Fist
Judicator
Liberator - formerly the Adjudicator
Lusankya
Manticore
Monarch
Night Hammer - becomes the Knight Hammer
Pride of Yevetha - formerly the Intimidator
Ravager
Redoubtable
Relentless
Reprieve
Resolve
Silencer 7
Silencer I - mention of Hamork or something? - Silencer I-7?
Soveregin
Stalker
Subjugator
Suprosa
Termagant
Thunderflare
Thyfonian
Triumph
Tydirium
Tyrant
Valorous - becomes the Devotion
Vengeance
Virulence

Please add whatever you can.

[Cydon]

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/isdlist.html

[huttslime]

It's more fun to make your own list.

Let's make it more comprehensive than TFN's. Research time!

[Cydon]

Errant Venture and Iron Fist I think thats all of them actually...

[silverbolt]

Errant Venture and Iron Fist I think thats all of them actually...

all of what?

[Morridini]

There are only three Star Destroyers I ever manage to remember the names of, the Iron Fist and the Executor which both are Super Star Destroyers, and the Anakin Solo, Jacens personal Star Destroyer.

[silverbolt]

the black asp was an indictor cruiser, are they classed as star destroyers

[huttslime]

In my opinion they are, since anything the size of a capital ship coulde be considered a star destroyer. The Imperial II Class Star Destroyer is just the most common, and is what we usually talk about when we say Star Destroyer. The Acclamator-Class assault ships were also star desdtroyers. Dreadnaughts would not be SDs. Victories are SDs, Immobilizer 418s (Interdictor Cruiser) is also a SD. There is much more you can call a SD.

[Darth Massacrus]

Allecto (Tarkins flagship)

[Braden Dar]

Actually, Huttslime, the Immobilizers would not be considered Star Destroyers by virtually any respect. The destroyers are heavily armed warships designed to inflict massive amounts of damage on any opponent. The Interdictors have fairly light armament and are not capable of head to head combat with other capital ships. A Nebulon-B Frigate could waste an Interdictor, since it is more heavily armed.
The Star Destroyer does not have to have a specific arrowhead shape. They could be bulkier or even speherical. They just have to fit a certain role as a frontline warship. The Interdictors would stand off at the edge of a battle and try not to get shot at, on the other hand.
A Dreadnaught actually more resembles a Star Destroyer than an Interdictor does (in combat role, not appearance). The Immobilizer 418 class is actually a mid-sized to large cruiser. It sports 20 quad laser cannons which do a modest amount of damage. It is 600 meters long and boasts a crew of around 2800 persons.
Considering the role of what a destroyer is, the SD Vics, ImpStars and SSDs are the only officially recognized destroyers in the Imperial Navy.

As for the PT warships called destroyers, they are actually classified as such within the old Republic. The Acclamator-class Star Destroyer. The Venator-class Star Destroyer. Etcetra.
I had a good link for a website that kept track of all of the capital ships and what classes they are/were, as well as some history on the individual ship when available. I lost the link when I had to create a new user account on my PC after a virus locked out my desktop settings. I'll try to find it again and post it later.

[Cassus Fett]

There are hundreds of them... there are quite a few vessels classed as Star Destroyers

[Braden Dar]

The website I couldn't remember is http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/stu/dwongfau/assettracking/index.php

Asset Tracking Department

And yes Cassus, there are a huge number of vessels classified as Star Destroyer or SSD (there are almost a dozen different classes within the SSD category alone).
Acclamator
Venator
Victory I
Victory II
Imperial/Imperator I
Imperial/Imperator II
Executor
Sovereign
Eclipse
Super

Some of the classes, like the Super Star Destroyers, have one or two ships in the class. The Eclipse class had only the Eclipse and the Eclipse II. The Executor had a few more than just the namesake of the class. And in those there is dispute over which ship is in which class. The site I mentioned here does a thourough job of listing all of the ships within classes and showing a lot of the classes.

[Mothman]

Since I'm a "movie only" kinda guy and don't have much time for the EU, I would like to think that Darth Vader had the only Super Star Destroyer and all of the other ships are the smaller Star Destroyers. I know that I have absolutely nothing to base this on, other than that in the movies the only Super Star Destroyer is the one we see under the command of Mr. Vader.:vader:

I know that I am probably wrong (VERY wrong from the EU point of view), but it's my opinion and I'm stickin' with it.

:bye:

[Master Magnus]

Since I'm a "movie only" kinda guy and don't have much time for the EU, I would like to think that Darth Vader had the only Super Star Destroyer and all of the other ships are the smaller Star Destroyers. I know that I have absolutely nothing to base this on, other than that in the movies the only Super Star Destroyer is the one we see under the command of Mr. Vader.:vader:

I know that I am probably wrong (VERY wrong from the EU point of view), but it's my opinion and I'm stickin' with it.

:bye:
Well, from ROTJ we also know that there are "a lot of command ships" (i.e. Executor-class Star Dreadnaughts).

[huttslime]

Actually, Huttslime, the Immobilizers would not be considered Star Destroyers by virtually any respect. The destroyers are heavily armed warships designed to inflict massive amounts of damage on any opponent. The Interdictors have fairly light armament and are not capable of head to head combat with other capital ships. A Nebulon-B Frigate could waste an Interdictor, since it is more heavily armed.
The Star Destroyer does not have to have a specific arrowhead shape. They could be bulkier or even speherical. They just have to fit a certain role as a frontline warship. The Interdictors would stand off at the edge of a battle and try not to get shot at, on the other hand.
A Dreadnaught actually more resembles a Star Destroyer than an Interdictor does (in combat role, not appearance). The Immobilizer 418 class is actually a mid-sized to large cruiser. It sports 20 quad laser cannons which do a modest amount of damage. It is 600 meters long and boasts a crew of around 2800 persons.
Considering the role of what a destroyer is, the SD Vics, ImpStars and SSDs are the only officially recognized destroyers in the Imperial Navy.

As for the PT warships called destroyers, they are actually classified as such within the old Republic. The Acclamator-class Star Destroyer. The Venator-class Star Destroyer. Etcetra.
I had a good link for a website that kept track of all of the capital ships and what classes they are/were, as well as some history on the individual ship when available. I lost the link when I had to create a new user account on my PC after a virus locked out my desktop settings. I'll try to find it again and post it later.

That was the point I was trying to make. I shouldn't have put the Interdictor on it. I never said that Star Destroyers had to have a wedge shape. For example the Leviathan in KotOR 1 could be consiedered a SD. I don't know if you could call a MC-80/-83 a Star Destroyer because they were intended as peaceful ships and then converted to heavy warships. I wouldn't consider star destroyer as a class, but as a description or whatever. Are frigates, cruisers and everything under the Captial class?

[huttslime]

Since I'm a "movie only" kinda guy and don't have much time for the EU, I would like to think that Darth Vader had the only Super Star Destroyer and all of the other ships are the smaller Star Destroyers. I know that I have absolutely nothing to base this on, other than that in the movies the only Super Star Destroyer is the one we see under the command of Mr. Vader.:vader:

I know that I am probably wrong (VERY wrong from the EU point of view), but it's my opinion and I'm stickin' with it.

:bye:

I don't recall if it says it in the movie, but that SSD is known as the Executor, not pronounced like execution, but more like executive.

[huttslime]

The website I couldn't remember is http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/stu/dwongfau/assettracking/index.php

Asset Tracking Department

And yes Cassus, there are a huge number of vessels classified as Star Destroyer or SSD (there are almost a dozen different classes within the SSD category alone).
Acclamator
Venator
Victory I
Victory II
Imperial/Imperator I
Imperial/Imperator II
Executor
Sovereign
Eclipse
Super

Some of the classes, like the Super Star Destroyers, have one or two ships in the class. The Eclipse class had only the Eclipse and the Eclipse II. The Executor had a few more than just the namesake of the class. And in those there is dispute over which ship is in which class. The site I mentioned here does a thourough job of listing all of the ships within classes and showing a lot of the classes.

What you said there makes me wonder if all the SSDs look the same, or they are just called a SSD because of their firepower and size. I know for sure that the Lusankya and the Executer look the same, but I don't know about the Iron Fist, the Night Hammer/Knight Hammer, or others.

[Sarah-Leia]

By the way, Star Destroyers are 1.6km long and Super Star Destroyers are 19km long.

[huttslime]

There is some speculation about the length of SSDs.'

Some say that they are 5 times the lenght of SDs (which would be 8km), some say that it's 16, some say that it is even longer. (I haven't heard of the 19km before)

[Cassus Fett]

The website I couldn't remember is http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/stu/dwongfau/assettracking/index.php

Asset Tracking Department

And yes Cassus, there are a huge number of vessels classified as Star Destroyer or SSD (there are almost a dozen different classes within the SSD category alone).
Acclamator
Venator
Victory I
Victory II
Imperial/Imperator I
Imperial/Imperator II
Executor
Sovereign
Eclipse
Super

Some of the classes, like the Super Star Destroyers, have one or two ships in the class. The Eclipse class had only the Eclipse and the Eclipse II. The Executor had a few more than just the namesake of the class. And in those there is dispute over which ship is in which class. The site I mentioned here does a thourough job of listing all of the ships within classes and showing a lot of the classes.

But those are the only one's that were inservice during the Rise of the Empire what about the other classes after that. You have several between the end of the empire up to the latest ones in the LOTF

[silverbolt]

Since I'm a "movie only" kinda guy and don't have much time for the EU, I would like to think that Darth Vader had the only Super Star Destroyer and all of the other ships are the smaller Star Destroyers. I know that I have absolutely nothing to base this on, other than that in the movies the only Super Star Destroyer is the one we see under the command of Mr. Vader.:vader:

I know that I am probably wrong (VERY wrong from the EU point of view), but it's my opinion and I'm stickin' with it.

:bye:

In which case from that "point of view" none of the SD's and SSD's have names cos none of them are called anything (at least as far as i remember).

[huttslime]

I think that the Executor had a name and the Avenger too.

[silverbolt]

I think that the Executor had a name and the Avenger too.

not in the films as far as i remember. I may be wrong though but they werent given names until the books

[huttslime]

Maybe.

[Cassus Fett]

not in the films as far as i remember. I may be wrong though but they werent given names until the books

actually in ESB, Piett is told they have a message from Avenger.

[Darth Massacrus]

what of the novelizations? I believe the name Executor is mentioned in them, but I am not certain...

[huttslime]

Yes! Some support.

[Darth Massacrus]

and what of the Devastator? That one as well may have been novelized...

[huttslime]

Yes. ANH?

[Darth Massacrus]

it would have to be in the novelization....

[huttslime]

I was checking if it was in the Vader SD squadron in ANH.

[Braden Dar]

I intentionally left out the NR SDs. And no, they don't require a wedge shape to be a destroyer. The destroyer is simply a large combat vessel featuring a great deal of firepower, and is used (primarily) as an anti-capital ship weapon. It will also have the abilities to inflict damage upon land based targets (as in an oceanic navy) or to inflict damage upon other types of vessels. In Star Wars, Lucas uses the term destroyer as more of a blanket statement about large, heavily armed warships which are capable of all of this plus used as command ships.
The Mon Calamari ships, MC80s and MC90s, are more properly labelled (in military terms) as heavy cruisers. Cruisers are fairly fast craft with sufficient firepower to engage other capital ships in direct combat. Destroyers, by military nature, are smaller, fast, and focused on shooting other ships. So in the SW galaxy, I'd say we would have to go by the definitions we have received through the movies and the books. If a major character continually refers to them as destroyers, they are likely classified as such.
But take into account in ANH that Han's comment about outrunning bulk cruisers was not a reference to the Star Destroyers in orbit. Those were late add ins to the local scene when Vader was looking for the Death Star plans. A destroyer was not likely to be seen at Tatooine. They used older vessels that were slower and less able to do what the ImpStar's do.
The Mon Cals ships were always called cruisers, from what I recall offhand. After all, they were converted star cruisers.
As for the questions about how many SSDs there are and if they are all the same...Han's comment in ROTJ is not specific to saying that there are a lot of Super Star Destroyers. The Imperial Star Destroyers were used extensively as command ships within the Imperial Navy. Vader used a few of them himself. So it may be a simple matter of addressing the fact that just because its a huge ship doesn't mean that its the only ship capable of being placed in charge of a fleet.
However, still, there was believed in the Alliance Intelligence, more than one or even two of those monstrous warships out there. The simple fact that no one was in awe of the size of the Executor is proof that there must have been information on them before the battle (not just from its appearance in ESB), and that there was likely more than just the one.
So one can infer anything from the comments and images and behavior in the films. As an EU extra, these ships are classified variously. There is a class of Star Destroyer named Super, and that they are roughly 8,000 meters long. Then there is the Executor-class at 17,000 meters long. You have the Eclipse-class, the Soveriegn-class and so on. So there are more than just one class of the so called Super Star Destroyers. And there is a lot of confusion over some of them in the books.

[huttslime]

I know for a fact though that the Lusankya was exactly like the Executor. It broke out from under Coruscants surface and destroyed over 100 square km of land.

[Darth Massacrus]

yeah, but a lot of that devastation could have been done by the engine repulsor bed of Lusankya and the SSD's turbolasers and other weaponry....

[huttslime]

But they didn't want to destroy coruscant.

[Darth Massacrus]

but they did have to clear a path, and Isard DID jettison the repulsor bed...

[huttslime]

What happened to it under alliance control?

[Darth Massacrus]

Lusankya? it was destroyed in the Vong War as part of Operation Emperors Spear, in which it rammed and destroyed Czulkang Lah's Worldship over Boreleias...

[huttslime]

I'm talking way back rebel alliance era.

[Darth Massacrus]

Read Crimson Empire for that info...

[huttslime]

The comic with the royal guard, right?

[Master Magnus]

There is some speculation about the length of SSDs.'

Some say that they are 5 times the lenght of SDs (which would be 8km), some say that it's 16, some say that it is even longer. (I haven't heard of the 19km before)
No, there's no speculation. The ILM model makers intended the SSD to be 11 times longer than an ISD and that size ratio is reflected in both ESB and ROTJ. The 8 kilometer figure originates from the 1984 A Guide to the Star Wars Universe and it was repeated by West End Games which didn't do their research very well. The 19 km figure is the one which has been established. You can read a small blurb in the Databank on the Official Site (http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/superstardestroyer/?id=bts).

[Cassus Fett]

what of the novelizations? I believe the name Executor is mentioned in them, but I am not certain...

No the Avenger was mentioned during the film