Things You Noticed in AOTC.

[Tovor]

I don't intend this discussion to be AOTC movie reviews, hence my reasoning for starting anew rather than putting my thoughts into the Official Review thread. *On the old forum we did a thread like this where we pointed out things in TPM which caught our eye and made us wonder, as well as for noting Easter eggs. *That's what this one is for. *What did you notice in AOTC in the foreground and background, dialogue and story, visual effects and set designs, which stood out and made you wonder about?

I'll start with a few of what I think were intentional Easter eggs in AOTC.
1- In the Kamino cloning facility as Obi-Wan toured the clone-training, equipping and formation area, the camera gave us a view looking up at the underside of a half (what was visible of it)-alongated circle structure, which I think looked a lot like the underside of the Star Trek Voyager starship's saucer section.
2-Also in the cloning facility, I noticed that from the side view of the helmeted clone troopers, the center top of their helmets (seen again later in the film but noticed first here) sticks out past the curve of the back of the helmet, like the tuft of feathers at the back of a bluejay's (the bird, not the ball player) head. *That part of the helmet struck me as familiar and at first I thought it was from the old Flash Gordon or Buck Roger's seriels. *Then I remembered it as the design of the helmet worn by Timothy Dalton in "The Rocketeer".


Other cool things I noticed:
A) I love the Republic gunship design. *I read that GL wanted something similar to the Huey helicopters used primarily during the Vietnam war, with open side doors and gunners at the sides. *But I noticed something else similar about the design of that craft. *I didn't notice it in the film but instead in my LEGO AOTC catalogue showing the top view of the gunship model, that from the top view, with the wings sticking out and the two engines where the wings join the body, that the shape and design as seen from above is very reminiscant of the rebel X-Wing fighter. *We didn't see X-wings or any wing fighters in the film, so perhaps this ship is what evolves into the X-Wing design in the next film.

B) The clone troopers were clones of the bounty hunter sent to murder Padme; and they later helped in saving her and then fought with her. *One even went to help her and showed concern after she fell from the gunship into the sand. *Ironic it is.

C) Clieg Lars looked far more like the old Owen Lars of the original movie, than the young Owen in this movie did.

D) The Lars use tombstones to mark the burial sites of their dead. *When Anakin went down to his knee and picked up the sand in his hand, I knew it was to show correlation between his pain then and how earlier he had said that he hated sand. But what made me take note was that I thought he was about to follow the Jewish tradition of picking up rocks and placing them on the tombstones of the departed.

E) Once again we see people losing their right arm due to agression or battle, not just Anakin but Sam Wessel. *I noticed that as soon as Obi-Wan had disarmed (literally) the intended assassin Wessel, he gently helped her up and guided her outside in a manner I percieved as compassion. *Very interesting. *It is as if once the enemy is rendered no longer a threat, the Jedi then take compassion and treat the defeated enemy as one in need of their help.

F) Jar Jar in the Senate chamber, making the motion to give Palpatine war powers. *No doubt the once banished Gungan enjoyed having so many senators agree with him, but I suspect more than that. *It seemed to me that Jar Jar may be more than an unwitting participant in Palpatine's grand plan, but rather a knowing and willing ally. *Hey, stranger things have happened.

G) We see the Jedi temple structure for the first time outside of production drawings, in whole rather than only the top section in TPM. *It apparently has an immense interior, but the triangle shape structure as shown from afar did not seem as high or wide as the production drawings I saw implied.

H) In Yoda's vision of the pain Anakin was going through during the time after his mother died and he went on the rampage against the Tuskens, you can hear the voice of Liam Neeson, Qui-Gon Jinn, yelling, "Anakin, no!"

I have several more observations and things that made me go "Hmmmmm...", but this is enough for now. *I'll add more later when I remember more of the film, but please feel free to contribute with things that got your attention and made you go "Hmmmmmm".

[Seanakin]

My only observation (and after one of Tovor's observations I'm almost reluctant to mention it) is that the initial scene of the Senator's ship being escorted on its way through the clouds to its landing platform on Coruscant looked eerily similar to the opening of "Triumph of the Will." *I hate dredging up comparisons to that film again, but the comparisons WERE there, I swear to God.

Besides, it wouldn't be Lucas' first visual homage paid to Leni Riefenstahl. *If I'm right, that is.

And that's all I want to say about that.

[Shoma Barad]

1. The Death Star Plans. That rocked.

2. New Zealand accents galore. That was pretty funny.

3. Jango's rocket pack was way more sleek than Boba's in Empire and Jedi.

4. In the rain fight, Obi Wan's lightsaber went walk about, as did Jango's pistols. We saw Jango get his guns and stuff, but Obi "magically" got his sword. I might have missed him picking it up, but i dont think he did.

Just a few things. The main thing for me was hearing Liam Neeson's voice during the meditation scene with Yoda. That was awesome.

~~Shoma

[padmehlc]

Well this isn't quite the same kind of observation as everyone else but I did notice how much the LANGUAGE and STYLE of writing affects things - seeing a SW movie in French just didn't work out nearly half as nicely - the familiar rhythm of the opening was off and clumsy "Il y a des années en un galaxie lointaine, trés lointaine..." A) doesn't sound right nor have the right rhythm, nor B)does it mean hte same thing litterally... Not to meantion the complete break in the normal rhythm of the opening scroll and Yoda talking well like a Normal Politician...

Though this did make me notice Williams cues so much better and they were AWESOME! The way he brought in the Imperial March just gave me chills!!!!!

[wicket]

I`ve now seen the film 3 times so I noticed a couple of things.

When Amidala and Anakin are leaving Coruscant for Naboo, Artoo is behind them about to go down some steps. *A split second later they are about ten feet further forward. *I guess Artoo going downstairs would look a little daft.

Anakin grabs his lightsabre by the light end. *In the droid factory on the conveyor belt he is fighting some fly-guys when he kind of stumbles and holds the lightsabre by both ends at the same time. *Ouch!

When Amidala is in the big pot at one point she is next to be melted but there are two shown filling up before Artoo saves her.

Anthony Daniels and Ahmed Best(I think) both have cameos just as Obi Wan strikes out at Zam Wessel in the bar.

If I can think of anything else, I`ll post again.

[Seanakin]

I was kinda wondering about a similar thing, Padme. *Particularly after seeing the movie and seeing where the Clones fit into the scheme of things. *True, they'll more than likely evolve into the Stormtroopers we all know and love, but if they were on the Republic's side, it's hard to think of them attacking per se. *More like defending themselves against the Separatists' attack, in which case the English title "Attack of the Clones" would still work.

However, the Norwegian version of the title "Klonene Angriper" literally means "The Clones Attack." *From a certain point of view, at least, that translation might have to be re-thought.

Of course, since the distribution is handled by a Swedish company, they don't bother with overdubbing, rather they just slap subtitles onto the original version and call it good.

[catwmnjedi]

Just a comment on Tov's comment about Obi-Wan's compassion toward Zam Wessel. That didn't surprise me, Tov. I can see that the Jedi would see bounty hunters in general as the ones hired to do the dirty work, not the evil masterminds behind the larger plot. The Jedi sometimes kill in their jobs too. Granted assassins choose a life of illegal and immoral activity, but Obi-Wan knew that Zam was trying to hurt them in self-defense so she could escape them, they weren't her target. This is a rather Christian attitude too... hate the sin, not the sinner.

Things I noticed... Padme's Nubian ship at the begining reminded me of the B2 Bomber, Bail Organa at the end pounding his fist on the stone balcony rail while the Chancellor and entourage were viewing the Clone Army. Shoma, I noticed Qui-Gon during the meditation scene too! The graves when they buried Shmi. There were three I think. I could see one of them being Clieg's first wife, but who's grave was the other one? Also, I believe that creature (Dex?) that Obi-Wan visited in the diner is actually in one of the Jedi Apprentice series book as an old friend of Qui-Gon's that Obi-Wan meets as a boy. I have to verify the name in the book, but he was a Coruscant diner owner.

I was taken by surprise when the clones actually fought for the Jedi. That's not what I expected....cool! And I didn't realize Anakin had already been interfacing with Palpy before AOTC... that was interesting too. I'm still wondering if Palpy is Anakin's true father. One thing that bugged me a little is that they didn't delve further into Ani and Obi's relationship. Anakin kept saying he thought of Obi-Wan like a father, but he didn't seem to act like it! I thought it was a tender moment when Obi-Wan asked about Anakin's trouble sleeping while on guard outside Padme's room at the beginning. We actually saw a softer side of Obi-Wan briefly. And I loved that Obi-Wan didn't give up on Anakin on the transport on Geonosis when he wanted to stop the ship to help Padme rather than chase Dooku. He found a way to get through to him still... but it's obviously going to get harder for him to do.

[Patrick]

The little thing that snagged my attention from the outset and which in retrospect really set the tone for a very bizarre (but fantastic!) movie was the fact that for the first time the camera panned UP to the action after the opening crawl! Of all the cool little things in AOTC, this is the one that seems to stick with me the most. The world turned upside down, eh? :wink:

[RedMirax]

I noticed that the clone troop transports will be the future Star Destoyers. I also noticed Anthony Daniels the second time around, but missed Ahmad the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd time.

When Yoda stopped that falling tower thing from falling on Obi and Anakin, his theme was played. Just like when he brought Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp on Dagobah!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[chrisakachris]

the fact that for the first time the camera panned UP to the action after the opening crawl! Of all the cool little things
in AOTC, this is the one that seems to stick with me the most.
Yes! That was INSANE!

[Pepper]

OK, well first off I thought AOTC was fantastic. *Anakin was portrayed better than I thought possible. *So much for my review, since this isn't a review thread.

Anyway, something I noticed by its ommission was that we didn't really see much at all of the Jedi Council in action, besides Windu and Yoda (which I thought was great! ). *I was a bit bummed about that, because I really thought, and was hoping, that we'd see Plo Koon in action. *Ever since I played that cool video game "Jedi Power Battles" I've been ever-so-eager to see Plo Koon in Episode II, complete with his Samurai/Jedi outfit and yellow saber. *True, we did *see* Koon and his lightsaber, but I didn't see him in action at all. *And to top it off, his saber was GREEN. *Just boring ol' green (if a lightsaber can actually be called "boring"...) *OK, it's a very very minor deal, but I was really hoping to see Koon as a real character, not just another fancy cardboard prop.
Rats.

The only other Council member I recall seeing was Ki-Adi-Mundi, though I don't remember seeing him really doing anything. *Kinda wanted to see Adi Gallia in action, though I'm still not too keen on the idea of women Jedi warriors. *(Not trying to start a hot debate or anything.) *Still, I liked how the "Power Battles" game portrayed the Jedi Councilors, and hence my curiosity with seeing her in action.

Something I noticed was that I didn't dislike Jimmy Smitts as Bail Oragana. *I'm not sure why I expected to dislike his portrayal because I don't dislike him as an actor, but I just could not picture him as Bail Organa. *Yet in AOTC, though we barely heard from him, I liked what I saw and heard. *He actually seemed to have some fire and independent thought to him, though again we saw very very little of that. *There were actually two times in AOTC when someone said "I have a bad feeling about this..." *One was when Anakin was tied to the post in the gladiator arena, and the second was when Organa pounded his fist during the review of the clone troops at the end of the movie. *True, he didn't actually *say* it but it's obvious he was thinking it.

Another not-so-insignificant noticable is Palpatine's comment about a "thousand year old Republic". *Wrong, ese. *That's either a mistake, or is meant to lead to something as yet unrevealed. *Still, if it's not a mistake in dialogue, then it has to be true because the Jedi he was talking to took no issue with it. *Yet we KNOW it's not true. *Everybody knows that it's supposed to be "a thousand generations". *Isn't that even what Ol' Ben himself actually said in ANH, "for a thousand generations the Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic"? *(And really, a thousand years isn't all that "Old" in the galactic scale of things. *It should then be called "The Republic That's Been Around A While". *But then I guess "for a lot of generations the Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice in The Republic That'd Been Around A While" just doesn't quite roll of the tongue.) *This little bit of dialogue is somewhat unsettling to a true, long-time SW fan, is it not? *What's going on here?? *Makes no sense, man.

[Teek]

Hey, I don't have a chance to see ANH. Can anyone check it out to see at the beginning when Luke is walking around, if there are three square wooden things sticking out of the ground anywhere? Could GL have thought to use those in Ep. II as the grave markers for Shmi and whoever else the other two graves belong to?

[auntberu]

For those of you who see AOTC more than once or twice (and I'm sure you all will) - check out the battle with the droids at the end. *Only instead of watching the foreground, watch the background.

You'll see some great shots including a single jedi taking on multiple droids, as well as at least two different shots of a jedi brandishing two sabers at once. *I think I also saw a female jedi get shot by one of the droids.

Lastly, is it just me or were there far fewer "easter eggs" in this one as compared to TPM?

[Senator Theant]

Among my observations:

1. Obi Wan, upon entering the night club in Coruscant, comments to Anakin: "You'll be the death of me." This, of course, is fulfilled in ANH. Eerie, isnt it?

2. During Anakin;'s inspection of the clones, we are treated to a shot of the mess hall as the troops stuff their face with who knows what. The guy we see eating looks strangely similar to Padme's chief of security, Typho. What is up with that? Is he just supposed to follow the Senator's movements possibly for Palpatine?

3. Statement: After Anakin and Obi Wan are dropped off in order to chase Dooku, the Gunship that dropped them off explodes into flames. I thought that really sucked, it just serves to show that these clone pilots are more loyal than anything. Did anybody think that too?

4. It seemed as though every time we saw a Clone Trooper, it was all CG. I liked it better when Lucas employed Marines to dress up as Stormtroopers in the burning sun. Couldnt he have done this again?

5. No mention of Yaddle, good and bad. I really wanted to hear another Yoda talking, possibly holding a conversation (that would have been hilarious). But then again, Yoda is Yoda and nobody can imitate the real thing.

6. Little unclear about something: did we see Artoo and Threepio board a ship and escape from Geonosis? It doesnt really matter, I was just wonderin.

Thats all for now.

[Tovor]

Aunty B, I have been looking at foreground and background four times now. *I must be the ultimate geek cause I saw AOTC first at 12:15 am Thursday morn, got to sleep around 4am, went back at 3pm and saw it 2 more times, and Friday late after work I caught the 10:30pm show, and then the last 15 minutes of the 10:45 show. *

Earlier I mentioned the oval shaped structure seen from below in the Kamino facility that looks too much to be coincidence like the Star Trek ship Voyager. *That view came just as Lama Su told Obi-Wan that the template for the clones was the bounty hunter Jango Fett.

Okay, some more observations:
Those swollen tick/cow/pig-like animals in the field on Naboo, one of which Anakin rode, man have you ever seen such huge asses on animals before? *They were nearly all buttocks!

GL had gone so far during the ANH filming to keep everything non-sexual, that he had Carrie's nipples taped down under her white garment. *Well according to the other men in the theatre this time around (I don't know myself because I don't look at those kind of displays other than my own woman), on Padme's ship when they got the message from Obi-Wan, GL must have forgotten to bring the bandaids for the filming of Padme in her white garment. I didn't look for myself, of course, I'm only relating what I overheard from others.

I don't think spoilers of the Yoda/Dooku battle have reached the casual movie viewers yet, but in the hangar when Dooku turns to see the shadow of Yoda, the crowds in each viewing I attended went wild with excitement, as if even without spoilers they knew whatever was about to happen would be the ultimate duel.

I saw AOTC 4 times, and 4 times I went WOW! when Yoda reached for his lightsaber. *He did not take it from his belt in the grip of *his hand, no, it FLEW from his belt into his hand!

I have a gripe. *The gunships had side gunners and a rear mounted gun, and gun pods on the top as well I think. *So why was the gunship pounded by Dooku's fighters without ever firing back?

Another gripe. *Anakin told the clone pilot to destroy Dooku, and the pilot replied that they were out of rockets. *Well duh, it's a gunship...it had laser guns too, not only rockets. *The gunships did a hell of a job strafing the battledroids in the arena, why weren't they used to shoot down Dooku's speeder?

It was obvious how much Obi-Wan chastised and criticized Anakin throughout the movie, and how much that bothered him. *So when Anakin told the pilot how to destroy the enemy tower or ship or whatever it was, did anyone notice the look of hurt and dissappointment on his face when his Master called him "young apprentice" again?

Yoda seemed a natural commanding soldiers into battle, and the clones followed his orders with utmost respect. *However, when the clone trooper told him that the enemy was in retreat, did you see the sudden look of concern and regret on Yoda's face?

Sideous' tower far beyond the edge of the section of skyscrapers, was a sight to behold. *Some sections of it appeared uncompleted, with girders and levels visible. *This isn't much of a big observation, but I think its of interest that Palpatine has his Chancellor's dwelling in the midst of the spires, and his secret escape for conducting Sith-doings far seperate from the busy city area.

Anakin was angry, unfriendly, and indifferent toward the Lars family when first arriving and at the table, as well as when he returned with his dead mother (I feel that even more than his pain at losing her, he blamed them to some degree, maybe for not doing more to find her when there was still time). *Yet when he left Padme to find Shmi, he told her to stay with the Lars, and that they were good people. *I take note that he saw that in them, despite his disinterest toward them.

I wonder why Obi-Wan did not use the mind trick on Jango when he questioned him in his apartment.

Last for now...I don't know if its told in the novel, But I am curious to know how Clieg Lars lost his leg. *Was it during the search for Shmi when his group was attacked by the Tuskens, or in an unrelated incident? *I also wonder why they stole Shmi in the first place and why they tortured her for so long; and for that matter, why they let her live so long. *I had gotten the impression from the ANH novel that Sandpeople didn't take prisoners but merely killed those they came across.

[Shoma Barad]

Im going to see it for the second time tonight, so hopefully I'll pick up some more stuff to share...

But did you see Kit Fisto's smile during the arena battle?? Man, that guy's grin is FREAKY!!!

Also, when the duel stops as the Jedi are surrounded, Obi-Wan is kneeling down, checking the pulse of a fallen jedi (well, a Jedi who has been killed, anyway... fallen can have so many different meanings when talking about these films... lol) I thought that was cool- Obi-Wan, checking on his comrades...

And also, the lightsabers that get thrown to Anakin and Obi-Wan when the Jedi arrive... they are completely different to the Sabers we see them with in the rest of the film... i thought it was a good move by Lucas to do that... explained how they got Sabers to fight with, but didn't do anything stupid, like saying "Well, Mace went to their quarters and picked up their spares before he led the Jedi to Geonosis..." Finally, some good, subtle justification from the God of the Star Wars universe!

Oh, and C-3PO calling Anakin "The Maker"... he cracked me up...

And that line... "DIE, JEDI DOGS! Oh, why did I say that?!" hehehe... awesome.

Bail Organa... I expect big things from this character in EIII... Jimmy SMits did a great Job... his non-verbals were some of the best in the saga (after Darth Mauls, of course!!!)

~~Shoma

[Seanakin]

That "pulse-checking" thing that Obi-Wan did...it looked to me like he was administering some Jedi version of Last Rites to a fallen knight.

What I find interesting is it seems Anakin did that same exact thing to his mother immediately after she dies.

And if memory serves, didn't Qui-Gon do that sort of thing to Obi-Wan right before HE died?

Also, I'll concur with Tovor's observation that the moment Yoda starts to hobble into the hangar, the crowd around me in the theater went nuts. *Then, the moment he started packing heat, they turned it up a couple of notches. *Talk about giving 'em what they want. :biggrin:

[The Doctor]

Damn! I just got back from seeing it for the first time, and it was THAT good...... damn......
I think just about everything has been said, but I thought I would add a couple of obvious ones: The shot of c3p0 and R2 at the very end, exactly like the medal ceremony in ANH, I think anyway...... Very nice.
That and the obvious 'I'll never join you' thing between Dooku and Obi reminiscent of Vader/Luke.

As I said, obvious but they were cool so I had to say them somewhere......

Oh, just remembered: Did Yoda's little martial arts style stance make anyone else think of the Matrix?

[DanielSkywalker]

First off, I would just like to say that AOTC was friggin' awesome. I saw one of the midnight showings and i was not dissapointed at all. Everybody went nuts when Yoda duled with Dooku; it is definitely one of my favourite Star Wars moments of all time. Well, this is in response to Tovor's comment about the Tusken Raiders and why they kept Shmi for so long, and also why they tortured her. I'm sure this has crossed the minds of many a fan over the past few days. I might be totally off base here, but what if Sidious somehow staged that whole thing? What if he payed or bribed the sand people into taking and ultimately killing Anakin's mother? We all know that he is planning on turning Anakin to the dark side, so maybe this was just the begginning of his dark plot to bring Anakin to hate, fear, and aggression. What do you guys think?

[NelsonCoressel]

Teek... There are no grave markers on the Lars homestead in ANH. *I wonder if that's something Lucas is reported to have shot to insert into ANH later.

Someone mentioned that they didn't see Obi-Wan conjure his lightsaber just before he threw the tracking device at Jango's ship. *Actually he did, it's just really fast. *We see him catch it, we just don't see it fly across the screen like other times.

Some things I noticed: *The panning and zooming during the major clone battle was very much like some scenes from Platoon, Full Metal Jacket or Apocalypse Now. *So it's like we've gone from the Revolutionary War (Battle Droids marching in formation and firing at Gungans) to Vietnam. Then of course we go back to WW2 with the Episode 4 dog fights. *Cool stuff.

One thing that concerns me about the CGI Yoda is that he looks SO good that he practically upstages his appearance in TPM. *I watched the DVD of TPM just before going to see AOTC the first time, and Yoda looks, well, like a puppet in TPM. *In AOTC, his lips are more articulated and his skin has more movement and texture. *I wonder if ILM should have "dumbed down" the CGI Yoda even more, or if they will go back and at least partially digitize the TPM Yoda. *I have no problem with the fact that Yoda is a little more stiff and slightly less animated in ESB and ROTJ, since he's much older and about to die anyway.

And finally...

...according to the other men in the theatre this time around (I don't know myself because I don't look at those kind of displays other than my own woman), on Padme's ship when they got the message from Obi-Wan, GL must have forgotten to bring the bandaids for the filming of Padme in her white garment...
Yep. She got nips. *Just cuz you're on a diet doesn't mean you can't look at the menu! *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[stormclad]

i'm not sure why no one else has posted this [maybe because it was blatantly obvious] but when anakin and padme are on tatooine and they exit the sand igloo of the homestead, you can see anakin's shadow on the wall of the igloo and it's darth vader's shadow.

i noticed qui gon jinn's voice too. i've only seen AOTC once, at the midnight opening. and i wasn't 100% sure of myself until i read these posts. i will assume qui gon will be popping up in episode 3. i have a funny suspicion qui was still in contact with dooku in TPM, this could explain why his body didn't disappear and he hasn't shown up as a ghost. qui was known for defying the counsel. i think yoda even said something in TPM about sensing qui gon's defiance in obi wan.

when obi wan went to kamino and taun we said they had been expecting him and were wondering if he would ever show up, for a second i thought my suspicions about him were true. before episode 1 came out, i had heard that obi wan was a clone himself, which would in some way explain his odd name--obi wan--OB1, like a serial number. but that might just be some mad fanboy rumors.

seeing boba fett as a kid has made him a little less threatening, especially since his name, boba, may be a goofy child-reference name. like "baby boo" or something.

the kamino fight scene: obi wan does use the force to retrieve his light saber.

also, i'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this or if again it was blatantly obvious, there is a cameo of sebulba and one of the other podracers in the zem wessel speeder chase scene.

was it just me, or did ol' pappy lucas make sure his daughter (as a twi'lek) really stand out in the bar scene?

i like the fact that when anakin does the 2 lightsaber deal, that one is blue and one is green. luke also used a blue, then a green light saber, as well as lost an appendage.

why didn't obi wan use a jedi mind trick on jango? mind tricks only work on the weak minded.

i also liked how obi wan used the asteroid to hide from jango, like han does on the star destroyer.

i liked the whole lineage aspect: yoda trained dooku, dooku train qui gon, qui gon trained obi wan, obi wan trained anakin.

i thought the billboards during the wessel chase scene were funny too, with the aliens doing the thumbs up, selling useless goods to mindless consumers, much like our own earth.

i thought the whole 'jedi are not as powerful as we think they are' aspect was good. some of us hardcore fans think the jedi can do just about anything, and the sad truth is that they have limitations too.

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[Teta]

Just came from my first screening--I wil post a review later (after I get out of my 2nd one, haha.) I don't even have time to reply to above, I haven't scanned the thread. But here are a few questions floating around my head:

1)Why did the Sandpeople even keep Shmi alive at all? They try to kill Luke automatically on sight. (It is now clear that their hatred of humans--and the reason why the Jundland wastes are so dangerous--is b/c they want to kill Humans to avenge the massacre.) But what profit would they get by keeping her alive? I can see them trying to use her a hostage or trying to trade her back to her people if she was someone rich or important--if holding for ransom was a Sandpeople custom before; but she is only a poor farmer. And Watto would certainly have her killed if he had ordered her capture. If Watto had ordered it, how could he be sure that the Sandpeople would fork over the ransom money to him, or keep it for themselves? Did Watto think he could fight off a village of Sandpeople? Who are his troops?

2) Ani and Ami marry in secret. What is going to be the reaction of the Council to this--b/c he as a Jedi and she as a Senator will both have to return to Coruscant. How can they keep the relationship up? If they are married for 2 yrs.

3)Palpy tries to ramove Ami both as a distraction to Anakin, his future apprentice, and as a pesky pro-Republic Senator. (I was SO happy to see her fight! And it looks like skill with the chain as a weapon is passed down in the family:).

4)If Dooku is Qui-Gon's Master, how did Palpy corrupt him, and get him to foment the rebellion? How did they find out about Geonosis at all? And why would an ocean planet be so capable of cloning facilities? And even larger question: Did Qui-Gon inherit his "seperatist" tendencies regarding the "living" Force from Dooku, (his contrariness), does that make him less nobleof a character? B/c If Dooku's independence rubbed off on him, than Qui_Gon could just as easily have been corrupted--had he lived. Palpy has clearly been giving Dooku Sith training...on the other hand, it is Dooku's powers that may have caused a break between them. When did Dooku become corrupted? If it was while Qui-Gon was his Padawan, then all sorts of intruiging possibilites come up. Qui_Gon may have reabeled against his MAster...and the Council, for once, would have approved.

And BTW, Dooku WILL be in the next film. An Article I found on a LOTR site said that Lee would be filming EP 3 with GL in Australia soon.


Let me say one thing: THANK GOD FOR HAYDEN. His performance was powerful, quite moving. It was really wonderful to watch an actor who really tried to be worthy of his character--and it looks like Hayden fell in love with his. He really cared.

[Kafer]

Okay, maybe not observations, but things I picked out.

When Anakin's lightsaber gets busted and he says, "Obi-Wan is going to kill me." *Did anyone else flash back to the cut scene from TPM with Qui-Gon chastising Obi-Wan for blowing out the power cell on his saber, again.

Was it me, or is Dooku's light saber handle more ergonomically shaped?

Dex is a character from the Jedi apprentice books. *(Thanks Cat. *That one was driving me nuts.)

I was glad Qui-Gon was mentioned in the movie, even though his "loyalty" is even more questionable now.

I wish they would have actually introduced Bail Organa. *For the casual SW viewer, they'll have no idea who he was.

I'm glad we got to see Obi-Wan's sense of humor and a bit of recklesness.

Typical teenager Anakin, breaks his master's orders to go to Tattoine, but when Obi-Wan is in danger and Mace tells him to stay put, he opts to follow those orders.

The Vader-esque shadow on the Lars' homestead wall. *So, Owen is an "uncle" in a roundabout way afer all.

Anyone else think that Obi knew Anakin was getting married at the end? *On my one viewing, I got the feeling he was going to say more when he did the, "He's escorting Senator Amidala back to Naboo...." *I felt he wanted to say more, but opted not to. *Maybe he knew but didn't want to bring it up knowing it would only land Anakin in more trouble. *

Loved seeing Mace in action. *Don't piss this guy off.

And, last but not least, unlike TPM, Anakin's Padawan braid stayed on the correct side of his head.

And on a total side note. *The crowd was great. *Sat next to a lady dressed up as Leia. *We were cheering for the previews. *I contained myself until Mace took off Jango's head. *A very loud, "Yah!" escaped from me followed by almost everyone in the theater. *And all the laughter at 3PO during the battle. *Damn funny stuff. *

Okay, I'll stop now. *I'll see it again, and see what else I can remember.

[Teta]

PS reading the replies breifly--Tovor, I thought at first Anakin was going to place the rockon Shmi's grave too. But maybe GL was worried that this was too explicit a reference to the ending of Schindler's List, a scene he figured most ppl would remember. And of course the future Hitler of the Sw galaxy doing an OScar Schindler gesture--the irony would be too horrible to comtemplate. Not to mention that Liam Neeson , Qui-Gon, placed the stone on the real-life grave.

Also, speking of irony, was it me or did LOTR come up in ppl's minds during the whole droid factory scene? You know of Tolkinens hatred of machines. Nothing is so spiritually depressing, si mind and soul numbing, as that machine factory. FOr all the action, it was a VERY oppressive sequence, and spoke of Paly's future iron rule better than anything. The sheer scale of the place, the sheer deadening weight of it all. Horrible irony to see Anakin, the builder and lover of machines, getting lost and entangled like a gnat and almost mashed in a colassal machine. Then he has to be trapped in one. (the suit.) I wonder what went through his mind after that escape. What he thought about machines--how his mindset may have changed. Had to change him. Did he perversely find it easier to be the Hitler of the galaxy if he thought that wiping out rebellious systems was nmothing harder than squashing them like a plate of steel beneath a giant stamper in a droid factory?

Anakin the child building machines (droids, ships, etc) going into a REAL place where SERIOUS machines are built. He's an individual, spending years putting his own personal handcrafted touch on Threepio, etc. (the Old Republic method)Versus a factory where you instantly spitting out thousands of souless impersonal replicas.(His future rule.) You have to wonder at the genius of this scene. Both Anakin AND the machines grow up.
I wonder if this is Lucas commenting on the state of the 21st century way of doing things. SOmehow, he managed to comment on the depersonalization of technology, in a way Tolkine would have admired. I didn't think he had the genius to come up with such a powerful illustration.

[RedMirax]

Tovor, Cleigg did lose his leg looking for Shmi. I got that implication in the movie and it says so in the book.

[auntberu]

Tovor, regarding the whole Natalie-nipple thing: At the midnight showing on opening day, I heard about 20 guys start whistling (and yelling other unrepeatable things) when they noticed. *And I must admit that I noticed, too.

Stormclad, are you sure about the Vader shadow on Tatooine? *I watched the shadows pretty closely and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

Kafer, yeah, I definitely thought that Dooku's lightsaber handle was shaped differently.

Episode III will sure be interesting. *We will have the obvious Anakin/Obi-Wan duel, but I bet we'll also have to see fitting deaths for both Mace Windu and Count Dooku. *Who will do the honors? *Will Anakin do both?

[Seanakin]

<span style='color:2679ef'>Teta, I gotta disagree about Anakin turning into the galactic Hitler. *Just from watching Episode IV it's clear that it may more well be that he'll become the galactic Heinrich Himmler. *(With a touch of Bormann and Goebbels thrown in.) Which is bad enough in its own right.

I guess this makes Tarkin the galactic Göring.

And I'll shut up now. *This is what happens when your father is an enthusastic student of history. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif </span>

[Tovor]

My only observation (and after one of Tovor's observations I'm almost reluctant to mention it)

Which of my observations brought up your reluctance? I don't remember writing one that involved the scene you mentioned.

[Tovor]

Kafer and Beru, check out the AOTC movie Scrapbook, or the Dooku action figure. His saber handle is curved (like a banana but with a sharper angled curve) to accomodate his hand and wrist movements during dueling.

[Seanakin]

<span style='color:2679ef'>None related to that opening sequence, actually. *It's just that I saw you compare the burial scene to something out of Jewish tradition and I didn't want to follow that by just barging in and making a comparison to one of the most infamous pieces of Nazi propaganda.

I dunno, I guess I didn't want it to look distasteful. *Kinda in the same way Lucas wanted the scene where the Rancor gulps down the Gammorean Guard to be done tastefully. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif </span>

[Teek]

One thing I noticed, was when the Naboo fighters were first landing on Coruscant, they looked dirty. I don't know if that's just the smoggy wet clouds putting that on the craft or what, but I thought that was an interesting indicator of how the pristine shinyness of Ep. I was beginning to fall away to the dark grittier look of the OT.

Also, maybe it was just me, but I really liked the way the camera moved during the scene where Jar Jar motions for the war powers for Palpatine. How it zooms past Yoda and Mace down into the chamber, then back out later past Yoda and Mace as he says something like, "So, it is done."

I also liked the way the camera does the reveal of Mace's feet as he first strolls up behind Dooku and company on Geonosis.

I also thought it was laugh out loud funny how Nute Gunray kept wanting for Padme to be killed after his defeat by her in TPM. It was also nice to see the Nemoidians mouths in sync for once! Heheh.

In the credits it mentions Even Piell (the short pink one eyed Jedi from TPM) and Lot Dodd (The Federation Senator from TPM). Did anyone see those guys in the film at all? Perhaps they were cut out?

Also notice how Yareal Poof (The long necked freaky Jedi from Ep. I) was not on the Council anymore? Perhaps he was removed to avoid confusion with the Kaminoans, making the audience ask why he is on the Council but not know anything about the cloners.

The Kaminoans rocked, I loved the shots of the fetuses in the jars and all the clones training. It was cool to see them all practice fighting way back down in the background.

[Teek]

One more thing, I loved the Tusken's animal pets that were fighting over the bone, they looked cool.

[Teek]

Three others things I thought were cool, after Zam shoots the droid Obi-Wan is hanging from she places the gun on her ship and it gets sucked down into it. I thought that was cool.

Also during the final battle, there's a shot of a SuperBattledroid knocking a normal BD out of the way so it can continue firing a the Jedi. I thought it was neat to see its' determination go so far as hitting other lesser droids out of the way so it could get in on the action.

I also love the absence of sound right before the Slave I's detonation charges go off in the asteroid field... You hear the blasts and sounds, then silence, then BOOM!

[RedMirax]

<span style='color:283d8b'>I liked the seismic explosions, too. The complete silence, then......BOOM was AWESOME!!!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif</span>

[NelsonCoressel]

Yeah, the seismic charges were the first time I know of that we actually heard silence in space in a Star Wars movie!

Speaking of firsts... Shmi died with her eyes open... a first for a human Star Wars character.

[Meche]

Exactly, the charges were very realistic. Like lightning. First silence, then the sound. Sound travels slower than light. Man, that silence was deafening, great effect there.

The Tusken's pets were cool, like doggies.

What I found interested was the "Empire Strikes Back" music being played as Yoda lifted the heavy objects (man... forgot what they were exactly) and keeping them from falling onto Obi-Wan and Ani. Kinda reminded me that he'll lift an X-wing later.

[THX1138]

Hi All!
First off, I am but a Padawan learner, having just visited and registered for this forum tonight, so forgive me if I repeat what others have said...

I was immediately surprised when the camera tilted upwards following the opening scroll - setting us up for the surprises to follow?
I managed to avoid any real spoilers, so I didn't expect to see Anthony Daniels, although I didn't spot Ahmed Best. Vader's shadow was a nice touch. Two of my friends noticed that independently, so yes, it is there (none of us had seen any spoilers). Does anyone know if Rick MacCallum & co managed to sneek themselves in again?

There are a couple of points I haven't seen mentioned, so forgive me if I missed them: 1) I thought it was an interesting foretelling of the immediate future when Anakin found his arm encased in metal on the conveyor belt. I didn't expect him to lose his arm this early in his life though. I figured it would be during his battle with Obi-Wan.
2) Although I will have to watch the film again to be sure, I think that during Anakin's battle with Dooku there was a significance in the close-ups of their faces. The evil characters in the movies (Vader, Maul, Dooku) have had red lightsaber blades. As the lightsabers were flashing in front of their faces I believe the red glow became more prolific than the blue of Anakin's, providing a subtle sign of his continuing slide towards the dark side.

While none of us ever expect a Star Wars film to win an Oscar for its script, I was annoyed to find yet another review programme here in Britain dredging up the old Harrison Ford comment on the quality of the writing - change the record! On the same programme a reviwer tried to prove the film was a dramatisation of the Bush administration. Say what?
My only real dissatisfaction arises from the apparent lack of quality of the CGI and matte paintings. I wonder if that is a result of using digital, losing the graininess of film to "hide the joins". But hey, the experience was so good, I can forgive that.

Finally, an entry in the crazy but true files. Even after 4 films, one of my friend's friends still doesn't believe that Palpatine and the Emperor are one and the same. Go figure!

[Tovor]

Seanakin:

I saw you compare the burial scene to something out of Jewish tradition and I didn't want to follow that by just barging in and making a comparison to one of the most infamous pieces of Nazi propaganda.
I dunno, I guess I didn't want it to look distasteful. *Kinda in the same way Lucas wanted the scene where the Rancor gulps down the Gammorean Guard to be done tastefully.
Not to worry, Sean. *Palpatine's rise to power and his eventual regime has been compared to Hitler's many times already on the old boards, by myself expecially. *In fact, now that I think of it, if GL wanted us to think of the Jewish symbolism I suggested, and symbolically crafted the empire after the Nazi's, wouldn't it be even more ironic and tragic when Anakin joins Palpatine?
Concerning your second statement, if he wanted the Rancor gulping the Gammorean to be tasteful, he should have made the Gammorean appear more succulant and juicy and filled with creamy goodness, to appeal to the viewer's tastebuds as well. *As it was, they didn't look any more tasteful to me than cow tongue. *???

Count Dooku during the arena battle always appeared calm and sure of the outcome. "Don't worry, Viceroy, she will die." *So much so that even with Mace holding his saber across Jango's neck he still remained confident. *After that, the appearance of assuredness draining from his face when Mace beheaded Jango on the arena grounds made me wonder how vital Jango was to his plan and personal sense of security.

[Teek]

I noticed that too Tovor, Dooku seemed to hesitate when he saw Jango lose his head. With Jango gone it seems like they'll need a new base for the clones.

[Meche]

I was a little weirded out when Boba Fett picked up Jango's head. Who else expected the head to fall out?

[Tovor]

With Jango gone it seems like they'll need a new base for the clones.

That would explain why the stormtroopers of the second trilogy were so inept they couldn't shoot the side of a barn using a Kaminoan's neck for a slingshot. *The ability to aim a gun wasn't a skill inherant in the DNA of the host they found after Jango.

But seriously, although Dooku was overconfident as any Sith Lord could be, he was surrounded by businessmen, brainless droids, and cowardly TF members. *Jango was perhaps the only one of the crowd that he respected and trusted to carry out his orders properly. *Though he was a mercenary and not an apprentice or partner, Jango was partly to Dooku what Maul was to Sideous, IMHO. *Dooku proved he could handle himself against 2 Jedi and a Jedi Councel leader, but he preferred to use Fett to do his dirty work rather than getting his own hands dirty. *I'm going to stop my assessment of Dooku and his plans here, in favor of discussing it in more length in a thread of its own. *

But Teek, just as GL said the 1st trilogy would change the way we see the 2nd, I am now thinking a lot about the Kaminoan clone facilities and the Geonosian war planners and their role in the original trilogy's time frame. *GL was of course limited by budget and sfx abilities in the original, and much of what we saw in AOTC more than likely wasn't part of his original 1973(?) outline when he filmed ANH, but unless Episode III gives us a rational explanation I don't think we can watch the original trilogy without wondering why the Death Star meeting room didn't include Geonosians. *I am sure that after 2005 when Episode III is completed there will be EU novels to explain things more regarding the events between III and IV, but as far as the movies people will wonder if the rebel alliance ever considered targetting the stormtrooper-growing Kamino facitilies, and if not why not?

[Tovor]

Meche, I thought about that too.


Another observation on the Kaminoans. Very graceful, gentle, and peacefull in appearance. Hard to imagine that they not only harvested the clone soldiers but also trained them for battle. Makes me wonder if there is more to them them than meets the eye.

[RedMirax]

I was expecting that, too, Meche...

[Seanakin]

Who else expected the head to fall out?
I DID! I DID! I DID!

Or at least a drop or two of blood...oh, right. *Lightsabers. *Never mind.

Cool, Tov. *I know the historical comparisons have been made for seemingly ever. *I'm just surprised that anyone would pay homage to "Triumph" anymore. *Assuming that was their intent.

As for the meeting room question, I think the Emperor's gonna do some kind of housecleaning of his own before it's all over.

[Tovor]

As for the meeting room question, I think the Emperor's gonna do some kind of housecleaning of his own before it's all over.


Good point, Sean, I thought that too. We didn't see any of the beings in ROTJ who stood with Palpatine on the balcony at the end, so something will have had to happen to them too. Aside from Bail, I mean, who's fate we all know.

Okay, more observations:
When Padme's ship was bombed, how did it happen? *Zam told Jango "I hit the ship but they used a decoy." So I wonder if a bomb was pre-planted on the landing platform, or if the ship was hit by a missile or laser-fire.

Immediately after the explosion you saw a far shot of the burning and crumbling vessel, with debris still flying away from it. *Also visible if you look closely to the debris tumbling over the sides of the platform, were human crewmembers falling over as well.

I wish GL had not changed the line-up of handmaidens. Not that I wanted her to die, but I would have liked the drama more if the decoy killed in the blast had been Sabe, the decoy who appeared as the queen in TPM.

In Padme's ship on Tatooine, when Obi-Wan told Anakin to boost his message toward Coruscant, Padme pushed a button to begin the procedure. *Afterwards when she turned on the star chart to locate Geonosis, she did so by pushing the very same button. *How does the same button when not in conjunction with any other action, perform two different tasks?

When Padme and Anakin encountered 3PO, he was working on some piece of equipment. *A vaporator, perhaps? "My first job was programming binary load lifters, very similar to your vaporators in most respects."

The more I think of it, 3PO's lack of knowledge of the planet he was on and the home he was inside in ANH, seems more like a well-executed ploy to gain Luke's trust and entice his interest in the droid's mission there. *Nah, 3PO wasn't that smart.

I began this thread in part to include Easter eggs spotted in AOTC, but I saw that Vader started his own official Easter egg thread. *You can't argue with Vader, whether it be Lord Vader or the owner of the site, so I'll list the following egg here and in his thread too:
At Shmi's funeral, when R2 left the ship to join the group, 3PO told Anakin, "He says he is carrying a message from an Obi-Wan Kenobi."



And last words: Does anyone remember a month or so ago in the original Jedinet CRAP thread when I said that I was looking at production drawings and got an unexpected spoiler of the last shot in the movie, something I had wished would have been a surprise? Although not the very last shot, the scene I stumbled upon was the depiction of Palpatine on the balcony looking out over his massed troops. And I also wrote on a different day that I came across a pic showing a scene that I expected in the third film but not in the second, and that was the shot of Anakin lying on the floor after losing his arm.
And, remember in the Obsessor's thread a week ago when I wrote that Hayden was on Jay Leno and I didn't expect a major spoiler to be revealed "right on Leno's freaking desk, thanks a lot Jay"? The spoiler was this, Leno was showing the Anakin action figure and commented on how the arm simply fell off when he hit the desk with the figure, and then repeated the action about 3 times.

Okay, (I guess you could say I enjoy discussing AOTC!) here is another observation:
I don't know if it was the light from the sunset or what, but Anakin's replacement arm at the end of the film looked more like 3PO's arm than the realistic type of appendage Luke was given in TESB.

[Nathan Butler]

Kafer: "Dex is a character from the Jedi apprentice books." Other way around. It was an instance of an AOTC character being given to an author to use in a book prior to release.

Teek: (Re: Yarael's being missing.) Just for the record, once that was decided, LFL allowed the reason for his loss to be covered in the Zam Wesell comic one-shot.

A couple of other observations:

1.) Someone already mentioned the loyalty of the Clonetroopers in the ship that deposits Anakin and Obi-Wan for the final battle with Dooku. Did anyone else notice that one of the Clonetroopers actually makes it out of the craft, only to be sniped by Dooku's backup and to fall off the platform?

2.) If I recall correctly, as much as we get an eye-feast of Padme's "nips" (in more than one scene, by the way--yeah, I paid attention the second time around after someone mentioned it), we never actually get to see how she goes from a full bodysuit in the beginning of the Geonosis battle to one with a torn sleeve and lost lower-half just a few seconds later. We see her get slashed, and that's one of the first shots we see of her like that, but we never get to see the actual attack that causes it, do we?

[Tovor]

That "pulse-checking" thing that Obi-Wan did...it looked to me like he was administering some Jedi version of Last Rites to a fallen knight.
And if memory serves, didn't Qui-Gon do that sort of thing to Obi-Wan right before HE died?


I don't think so, Sean, in fact I'm about certain of this. Qui-Gon reached up to wipe a tear from Obi-Wan's cheek.

[Seanakin]

Okay, that was a bit of a reach. *It could have been that they didn't even think of such a ritual before planning Episode II.

I find it difficult to keep up with these observations without seeing it for a second time. *I wish Luthien could finally see it already so I could do that. *??? *??? *???

[Rozi-Wan Kenobi]

if there was 1 scene i hated in AOTC...it had to be the whole giggling-rolling in the hay bit..urgh! *CHEEEEEEEEESSSYY* other than the beautiful dress, the beautiful hair and gawd the beautiful beautiful setting (minus the fat-assed cow-thingys) i totally cnot stand that scene. Plus the awkward is-the-camera-off-yet silence that follows after they've finished rolling. Anyone familiar with bollywood would know a bollywood movie would never be complete without the mandatory rolling-down-the-hill and running-ard-the-coconut-trees scenes. A homage perhaps?(Here i would want to point out that the new Naboo queen was kinda Indian...a great influence on the Naboo entertainment scene maybe) :biggrin:
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sly.gif that aside, someone wrote abt how cool GL showed Mace Windu's feet only as he approached Dooku on the viewing platform...then the "This party's over" line. Almost taratino-ish...
:bored: sorry about the innappropriate use of emoticons, newbie! lol style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

oh yea i LOVED the whistling sound Zam Weasell's (that lady's legs are SO long, they start frm under her armpits!) speeder/ship makes *whoooooooooooooooeeeeee* and the seismic charges. Ecstasy. Enough to make my toes curl.

[Tovor]

We see her get slashed, and that's one of the first shots we see of her like that, but we never get to see the actual attack that causes it, do we?


?? I'm sorry, Nathan, I'm not sure I follow you. "We saw her get slashed, but we didn't see the attack that causes it." The attack was the slash, when she was on top of the column and the creature slashed across her back with its claw. That was what tore the bottom half of her shirt off and ripped her skin open. BTW, I can only remember one other female scream of pain in the saga, Leia's in ROTJ when she got shot in the arm, and I think Padme's was more realistic and touching.

[Whur My-Jin]

When Anakin proclaims his feelings for Amidala, he says he can't breathe, which of course, is Vadar's trademark sound effect. * style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/inlove.gif

[camie]

One thing I noticed was that when Padmes ship blows up when it's landing on the platform. If you notice the two fighters that land on the one side of the decoys ship when it blows up one of the fighters go over the side but when you see Padme get up from her decoy you see two fighters there.
Was there more fighters on the landing platform or did they mess up this scene?

[Padiwan]

I have gone back in the past week or so and warmed up my memory on Ep.4-6. Something kinda struck me as I watched any scene inside a star destroyer. There seemed to be only humans as imperial personel. I dont think I ever saw an alien as an imperial. I then read that the emporer despised alien lifeforms and he tried to get rid of them. Is this right? Is it implied by Palpy or Sidious anywhere in Ep. 1 or 2? Also, are the storm troopers in Ep. 4-6 the same clones in Ep. 2 or are they different people. Maybe it will say in Ep. 3, I dont know!!!

[Seanakin]

One observation about Anakin: For someone so averse to politics and politicians, he sure knows how to say "I promise" with great abundance. *How ironic, dontcha think?

[Seanakin]

<span style='color:2679ef'>Here's a strange idea: If Anakin was indeed adminstering Last Rites to his mother, perhaps this means her spirit can join Qui-Gon's in this newly-discovered viminal Valhalla and they can have the fling they should have had back in Mos Espa.

The station's currently signed off for routine maintenance, so I've had more time than usual to think of such things, so don't mind me. *Silence is usually golden, unless you work overnights in radio, where the lack of sound can freak you out. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif </span>

[auntberu]

In the dining area of the Lars home, there is a design painted above the entrance. *When you watch ANH, sure enough, there is the same design visible when Luke has dinner with Owen and Beru. *Someone sure paid attention when filming that scene.

[Brian]

Did everyone notice that Darth Vader's theme music was faintly played after Anakin told Padme about him killing the Sand People?

It was also played another time that I cannot remember.

[Tarkheki- Jedi Dug]

i noticed that obi-wan was gorgeous.. and intelligent.. and... nauuughhtttyyy.....

[Teek]

Yeah, the monster that scratches Padme's back also rips off her shirt. In one of the the trailers from earlier this year it showed that scene, if you advance frame by frame you see the shirt get caught on the monsters nail and ripped off.

[Teta]

Good observation about the music!! Here's my take on that (as I go in for my 3rd time): JW may have a reason for this, for dropping both the Emperor's theme in and the Imperial march in at that point, besides showing the first stwp to Anni's becoming Vadrer.

We don't get to see just how tyrannical and oppressive Palpy and Vader's rule over thegalaxy is in Ep 4-6; when we hear the Imperial March, we think of vader as friggin cool, as well as badass. Of course we know they're evil, but it's very easy to be swayed by the seductive spellof the dark side; directors today know better how to potray evil more strongly than good. It is easy to see evil as a "cool" thing. The only time we get a sense of just ho wevil they are is the Temptation "scenes with Luke in Empire and ROTJ. But this is only evil on an up close and personal level.

When we now see the series, we will see it in order, and the musical thmes will fit and gorw. I don't know about you, but from now on, whenever I see that shot of the back of Vader's helmet in ESB, the first time we hear that stirring music as we look out the window witrh him, I'll always think of the Imperial March as the "I slaugtered them all like animals" theme.

Which is what Palpy's rule is about anyway--what power really is. That, and draining the galaxy's natural rescources.

[shaps]

I'm pretty sure the whole last-rite thing was nothing more then Anakin closing Shmi's eyes....

[Tovor]

Whoa, wait a minute, hold the phone and stop the press. *Before TPM came out official canon stated that at that time there were about 10,000 Jedi active in the Republic. *In AOTC in the Senate chamber, Mace told Yoda he would take what Jedi there were left and go to Geonosis. *In the arena there were several who were killed, but when it started there were perhaps several dozen. *Let's say, to be generous, there were 100 Jedi on Geonosis with Mace Windu. *He literally said, "I will take what Jedi we have left and go to..." *I wondered if what Mace meant was, "I will take what Jedi there are left on Coruscant who are not on thousands of different missions across the galaxy, and go to Geonosis...", but what I stated was the impression I got from the way he said it. We know that the empire will destroy the Jedi in Episode III, but this was before the Clone Wars had begun. *So how did the Jedi Order shrink from 10,000 Jedi to a hundred or so, more or less between Episode I and II? *

[Tovor]

And why am I posting random and confused ideas near midnight when I have to be at the courthouse at 7:45am for jury duty? Crap, I'm a little worried about tomorrow. I can read, digest, and write endless theories and ideas of Palpatine's schemes and Dooku's mysteries, but I am nervous about sitting in a jury box and paying attention to lawyers feeding information and hearing testimony to determine somebody's fate.

[Seanakin]

Okay, I'm officially scrapping any remaining ideas on that Last Rites thing. *After seeing it again and knowing what to look for, I guess y'all were right. *SHRUG*

Couldn't identify the voice behind the "NOOOOOO" that Yoda hears post-slaughter. *And I agree that Neeson's "ANAKIN! ANAKIN!" was most likely just a recycling of an Episode I outtake from Skywalker Sound.

Which makes it fun if Neeson does get used again for Episdoe III. *God, that would be a COOL Deus Ex Machina. *Which I fear Lucas is gonna need to finish this trilogy.

Tov, I think your "scattered" theory is correct. *After all the talk about how far Coruscant was from Geonosis, and given the urgency of the situation, it makes sense that that's all the Jedi Mace could muster at the drop of a hat.

Realistically, I doubt ILM could have put in that many Jedi to the battle scene and still meet GL's finicky standards. *At least not in 18 months of post-prod.

[Kafer]

Okay, a few more things I noticed on my second viewing.

The red "Imperial" guards by the doors of Palpatine's chamber, the first time Padme goes into his office.

The music, when Ani and Padme are over looking the water for the first kiss. The music swells as they kiss. The music swells further as it appears they're going to continue to kiss, then drops to almost nothing when Padme breaks it off. I laugh every time. It reminds me of when Satine is professing her love to Christian in Moulin Rouge. The music trails off when Christian says, "I'm not a Duke." "Not a Duke?" "No." It's great.

The way the Jedi "fly" as they drop from vehicle to vehicle during the Zam Weller chase scene. Always reminds me of flying squirels.

[Seanakin]

I agree about the music cutoff joke, Kafer. *What really should also have been there was the old sound gag of a record needle skidding off the turntable, right before the music faded to near-silence and Padme said "No."

Tovor, it's because of people like you that I have such immense faith in the judicial system. :biggrin: *:biggrin: *:biggrin:

[Wilk182]

If I remember correctly, at the end of Return of the Jedi, the novel, the Emperor makes a comment to Luke regarding Yoda and failing. Then think about who Yoda trained and his track record. Dooku (BAD), who trained Qui Gon (Good) who trained Obi-Wan (Good, but fails), who trained Anakin(Bad) and Luke (close to going Bad). If I recall the emperor wanted Luke to strike down his father and take his place at his side, would that not constitute a complete and utter failure by the most repected and powerful of all the Jedi, Yoda.

I also noticed in the film, when Obi tells Yoda and Mace about Sifo-Dyas, Yoda makes a face at Mace like there was alot more behind the name than his death.

[RollaFett]

I have to agree with the amount of Jedi at the arena battle being "all they could muster" at the time. Tover generously estimates that there might be 100 Jedi present at the battle. I would guess considerably less than that, but that doesn't matter. That must have been as much as they could get right then, I mean hell, during the scene where Yoda is instructing the kid Jedi, there must have been 15-20 kids. And that was probably just one of many classes for many different ages, right? Based on that, overall number of Jedi must be high. Do I make any sense? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

Something I noticed that i wasn't very fond of. During the scen when Dooku is being chased by Anakin and Obi-Wan, Anakin gives some type of order to a clonetrooper that works well. Obi-Wan then says something to the effect of, "Well done, my young apprentice." Not an appropriate line at all, considering the situation. Everything was entirely too hectic right then to spout off something so proper, don't you think? And it's not the only time that Obi-Wan does this throughout the film. Now I know that GL isn't known for great dialogue, but man, that stunk. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hmmm.gif

Someone earlier mentioned something about Anakin's artificial arm at the end of the movie and how it doesn't resemble Luke's lifelike artificial hand at the end of ESB. I don't have a problem with that, in fact it really goes with the "more elegant weapon for a more civilized age" comment that Obi-Wan delivers in ANH.

[Teek]

Well, here's not the most scientific answer, but on the radio I heard a LFL commercial for Ep. II, and it stated something along the lines of "200 Jedi" fighting for the cause in the battle of Geonosis.

[GuiGonJenn]

QUESTION

In the dialogue between Obi-wan and those CLoners. THey said a "MASTER Jedi Cyphedius" ordered the clones 10 years ago. Any clues who this character is?

[Teek]

GuiGonJenn, there is a thread on that subject here:

Who was Sifo-Dyas? (http://64.90.162.236/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=108)

[Tovor]

Tovor, it's because of people like you that I have such immense faith in the judicial system.

Wow, thanks. I hope that was not sarcasm! :wink:
What happened today was, my bad, I didn't quite understand the summons because it was not worded properly. Today was jury selection for a criminal trial, not the actual trial as yet. 6 jurors were needed out of about 3 dozen in the room, and we were there from the morn till 5pm. I can be very vocal in question and answer sessions, and the defense attorneys (2 of them) asked me several questions since I had made some statements regarding how I feel about certain issues. The prosecutor spent some time talking to me, but the 2 defense lawyers spent more time with me than anybody else I think, though that estimate is most likely not accurate. The prosecutor was interested in friends of mine who had ruined their lives on drugs and then recovered, and one who was killed by a dealer 15 years ago, and how that would affect my opinions in a trial. The defense lawyers were more interested in my opinions on remorse, rehabilitation, and redemption (no, I did not mention Anakin Skywalker!). While we waited outside for the final choosing of jurors, 2 people told me they were sure the lawyers were going to pick me due to how much time they spent questioning me and observing me, while one person was sure they wouldn't. Sure enough I was not chosen, so I left the courthouse at 5pm and went and saw AOTC again, for the 5th time! In a way I was glad because it would have been a 2 week trial, but on the other hand I was slightly dissappointed because I had never served as a juror before and I would have liked to perform my civic duty. And after spending that much time contemplating and responding to how I would be fair and impartial and how I would react to witnesses testifying and so on and so forth, after all that I would have liked to follow through and do my duty and make a difference.


Based on that, overall number of Jedi must be high. Do I make any sense?

Yes you do. Thanks. The temple was filled with classes and students before apprenticeship, and with the long traditions of the Jedi there couldn't be 100 adult Jedi and 15 kiddie Jedis. I am just worried about GL cutting out so much of the original scripts for filming and then expecting us to figure out what happened to all the Jedi. He is one who does not give us very much background to certain elements, like the origin of the Sith and their inner battle which wiped them out from within 1000 years ago. He sometimes throws a story element on the screen without explanation, and I was concerned that he tried to imply that recent events had wiped out much of the Jedi already, but went and edited that explanation out of the final movie.


Anakin gives some type of order to a clonetrooper that works well. Obi-Wan then says something to the effect of, "Well done, my young apprentice." Not an appropriate line at all, considering the situation. Everything was entirely too hectic right then to spout off something so proper, don't you think? And it's not the only time that Obi-Wan does this throughout the film. Now I know that GL isn't known for great dialogue, but man, that stunk.

I disagree with that assessment, for one reason. I think it was meant to show that no matter how well Anakin performs, Obi-Wan is always critical and refrains from crediting him in a way that would let him know his Master was pleased with his successful actions. That, after all, was Anakin's own complaint to Padme as she packed her clothes to leave Coruscant. Each time Obi-Wan called Anakin "young apprentice", or "my apprentice", it seemed it was meant to remind Anakin that he was still a padawan and not as great as Obi-Wan as yet. IMO that is also why Anakin stated that Obi-Wan was jealous of him. Rather than weak scripting, it was meant to show how Obi-Wan could not admit how impressed he was in Anakin. Did you see the look of hurt and dissappointment on Anakin's face at that point, when even after giving the right info to score a major blow to the enemy, his Master still reminded him of his lowly status compared to his?

[Tovor]

I was a little weirded out when Boba Fett picked up Jango's head. Who else expected the head to fall out?


Meche, I have an answer for that because I noticed it today when I saw the movie for the 5th time. The head did fall out, right after Mace lopped it off. The helmet went in one direction and something dark seemed to come out the bottom and fall in the opposite direction offscreen. So when Boba picked up the helmet, Jango's head was not in it. Next time you see the film watch closely as the helmet flies off, for something dark flying to the right away from it.

Teek, thanks for the 200 number. I hope that was not accurate, or else it would mean about 175 Jedi died in the arena, based on an estimate of how many were in the group surrounded by the droids closing in.

[Tovor]

Someone, somewhere, in this thread or another, said that Anakin's shadow next to Padme's on the Lars' igloo was Vader's shadow. When I saw AOTC again I watched for that carefully and I will tell you without a doubt it is not the shadow of Vader. The part of shadow sticking out the back of his head like Vader's helmet, is his ponytale and padawan braid.

However, a couple of seconds later, as he strode toward the speeder bike with his dark cape flowing behind him onto the ground, he looked exactly like Vader from the shoulders down walking away from camera in the old trilogy. Same style of cape, same fit across his back (unlike the way the Jedi robes fit their backs), same angle forward of his body, same stride. His body as it walked to the speeder bike and got on, was the future Darth Vader personified.

[Pepper]

Tovor, in response to what you said concerning Mace's words:
"I will take what Jedi there are left on Coruscant who are not on thousands of different missions across the galaxy, and go to Geonosis...",

In the opening crawl it says that the Jedi were overly-taxed (paraphrase) by the thousands of star systems intending to leave the Republic, and trying to keep order and peace in the midst of all this. *This tells me that Mace was saying that there weren't many left who weren't out and about trying to hold the Republic together. *Thousands of separatist systems equals thousands (even many thousands) of Jedi spread out all over the place.

[NelsonCoressel]

Anybody notice that all of the Clonetroopers have Temura Morrison's voice?

Again about Jango's head... I've only seen AOTC twice so far, but I think I remember briefly noticing Mace's eyes follow an object other than Jango's helmet as it flew off. I'll have to see it again to see if it's his head.

[Rozi-Wan Kenobi]

:biggrin: oooh everytime i log on there are more and more reasons to watch AOTC YET again....mmm i need to take more sick days *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

things i noticed in AOTC

1) No Jabba. Not that i miss him but i tot he was part of the SW family...must hv missed the reunion.

2) No "and the universe turned into starlines" i.e view of galaxy as ship goes into hyperdrive. I think we saw it in TPM...that simple scene is what i best remember abt the original trilogy

3) The clones looked a whole lot more like Captain Typo..Trypo..Tryptophan (OH u noe who!) than Jango.

4) Must be nice being refugees in Coruscant...Mace ordered Anakin n Padme to travel as refugees to Coruscant...Anakin puts on a stained tunic to play the role while Padme wears this fantastic headpiece (check out how she has to lean alllllll the way to side to avoid hitting Dorme with it when they hug) and an elegant elaborate outfit (dull coloured, to*blend* in). Sure, refugees travel with 3 Samsonite luggages and an astromech in tow ALL the time... *:sigh:

[Kafer]

I hate to debate a point here, and perhaps a thread should be started about Anakin and Obi-Wan, but during that scene where Anakin tells the pilot to aim for just above the fuel cells, Obi-Wan is proud of his Padawan, but Anakin doesn't know his place. So even though he wants to compliment his apprentice, he still wants to remind him he is an apprentice.

It is obvious that Anakin doesn't know his place or humility. He is still the selfish little boy we met in TPM. Obi-Wan must remind him, always, that he is still learning and still young, even though he is powerful.

Any other compliment would probably go straight to Anakin's head, and make him even more arrogant. But, I could go on and on about this. Perhaps I'll start a thread to debate their relationship.

[Kafer]

One more thing. When Obi-Wan is in the Archives, waiting for the grey haired lady to assist him with his missing planet, that bust he is staring at. Is it Qui-Gon Jinn? I think it might be.

[NelsonCoressel]

I think it's Count Dooku's statue/bust/thingy he's looking at.

[Seanakin]

The bust IS of Dooku, actually.

Instead of "Good Shot," I was thinking something more along the lines of "How'd you know that?" I also think they wasted a valuable opportunity to put a good line in there.

[Tovor]

Check this out, some real neat foreshadowing, and obvious character transition. We all know that Palpatine is Sideous, the emperor of ROTJ, there is no doubt whatsoever. The emperor in ROTJ had a certain way of walking, with his body hunched forward and his hands together. In TPM, Sideous, the future ROTJ emperor, had that way of walking, slowly, body hunched forward just a bit, hands together or nearly together. In TPM Sideous did the "Sideous" walk while Palpatine walked in a regular, non-Sideous manner. In AOTC when Palpatine walked along with Anakin, making the "I can see already you are becoming the greatest of all Jedi", he was doing the Sideous walk.

[Deak_Starkiller]

Originally posted by Patrick@May 17 2002 - 14:34
The little thing that snagged my attention from the outset and which in retrospect really set the tone for a very bizarre (but fantastic!) movie was the fact that for the first time the camera panned UP to the action after the opening crawl!
It took me 4 times before I realized the pan up from the scroll, but I felt upside down too. *Very strange. *Any significant meanings behind all this? * style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

I also noticed some weird zooming in the battle sequence at the end. *(Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet). *I thought this was pretty cool. *It kind of put you in the battle more, rather than just observing from the outside.

[Nathan Butler]

Kafer: To expand on what Nelson said: The reason we know for sure that it's Dooku, even if not by likeness, is that the moments preceding that shot were cut from the film, but would have contained a discussion between Obi-Wan and Jocasta Nu regarding Dooku and "the Lost Twenty."

[Meche]

So Jango's head did fall out eh? Ew! Isn't this move rather violent? I don't remember so many beheadings in any SW movie... maybe I just forgot.

So, Threepio actually lived with the Lars family for a long time. Is that why in ANH Owen went straight to Threepio and was interested in buying him? Did he know it was him, or just thought he looked familiar? Or did he realize it was him later on and told Luke to wipe his memory?

[looceefir]

Finally got round to seeing it today, after hecticness with exams style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif But no matter, it rocked.

Most people have said the things i noticed, wanted to comment on a couple:

I too think it was a Vader shadow on Tatooine. I watched for it and while it's not a complete likeness it doesn't have to be, the allusion is there, and reinforced by the way Anakin exits.

The three graves on Tatooine: as someone else suggested, the other wife, but what about a brother/sister for Anakin? Not saying anything will be made of it, but could show a good example of character embellishment. Was the smaller grave in between the two bigger ones or on the other side of what we presume is Lars' other wife?

[Kafer]

My speculation on the three graves and Lars' Homestead are Owen's Grandma and Grandpa and possible aunt or uncle that died at an early age.

It seems the Lars' don't move much. We know Owen lives there after....is it Krieg?....dies, so maybe it's like a third or fourth generation homestead.

[Teta]

Speaking of Tatooine. The shadow on the wall is a direct reference to "Gone With The Wind". specifically, the shots of Scarlett and Melanie nursing in the hospital, and Scarlett's shadow on the wall as she goes into the room where he mother's body lies (a scene which still ranks on my Top 5 creepiest and chilling scenes ever. They got it right: the MUSIC in that shot, the shpw, the waxy white of Ellen's face vs the darkness of the room; etc.) Shadows falling across the purity of white (innocence).

I think it is haunting that the spot where Anakin took off to find his mother is the exact same spot where Luke stood for the binary sunset. He parked his speeder bike just to the left of the garage door, and if you look at that shot from the other angle in ANH, Luke walks a few steps out of the door to the left and stops. The ANH camera angle was pointing west; (towards the sunset), and it looks like in AOTC it is pointing north.

Strange that the lives of father andf son both changed at the exact same physical point. Anakin's life began to "contract", or go downhill, after he left that spot; he brought back his mother's body the next morning, and from then on began his journey to the Dark Side. For his son, Luke, life began to expand, after he stood at that spot; the next morning began his forst jureny across the stars and his triumphant destiny.

Isn't it strange to imagine now growing up with the ghosts running around that homestead (and we haven't even seen Ep 3.) I don't know about you, but I got the CHILLS seeing the newer characters walking across that old landscape. Watching Anakin carrying his mother's corpse into the building we all know as "Luke's garage" was CREEPY. Watching Padme running into the building "shrank"it somehow, like a house we grew up in and come back to after we've been out in the world. That _very_ dining table! And the whole "confession" scene gave me the creeps, not just Ani's words, but the fact that he collapses sobbing on the very bench that Luke watched Artoo's holo of Leia from. If those walls could talk...all those things that Luke will never even have a clue about, b/c Owen and Beru are dead.

What if he knew that his father took off to rescue his mother from that very spot? That he had parked his speeder bike on the very spot he used to like to stand and watch the Sunset from? (Then again, maybe Beru felt sorry for him, and told him that his father had been there once. Luke seems to have been told SOMETHING. Come to think of it, in the novel, Owen holds Anakin in absolute awe. By contrast, he seems to hate Luke, or at least, not treat him with any affection. I think I'll take you up on that Tatooine thread, Kafer...) What if Luke knew that His father confessed to his mother that he had massacred a whole village of Sandpeople on that very spot, in that very room? That he had sat on that same bench and repaired things, like he likes to do? What if he knew that his father carried his grandma;s body through that same door he goes in and out of every day?

This is what I now love about the series. You are starting to get the real sense of a history, a family drama. What makes it even creepier is, that was the ACTUAL Lars homsestead, filmed in Tunisia, not just the dining room (resturaunt), but the gov't kept the vaporaters, the garage, etc, as tourist attractions. So the 2nd generation (or the first, depending on your POV) DID return phyiscally to the same spot, just like in the film.

My eyes did pop-a wheelies at Padme's nightgown in that one porch scene! Yikes!! That whole thing is one of many that gave the film a whole different feel.

[Teta]

Continuing...Yes, Kafer, I noticed. And I would like to go on the record as saying that the librarian was a total b****. "Are you having a PROBLEM, Master Kenobi?" Well yes, ex-CUUUUUSE me. I may be jedi MAster, but I'm not all-powerful. I screw up like anyone else, and I suppose you know it all?

Yoda's comment about the Jedi becoming arrogant...esp the older and more experienced ones. Who erased the files? She seemed pretty quick to deny Kamino didn't exist. I'll bet she was in on the erasal. I'll bet she onto something. Let's say that she knew there was place called Kamino (and she at one time knew there had to be.) Wouldn't it seem odd that it would be gone? Yoda knew it was erased.

Also: more observations. The fairy tale aspect of this saga is brought out I think more in this film than any other SW film. I t is quite lovely, if you really stop to think about it. This whole "Knight and his Queen" bit. Of course, he's just an apprentice Knight and she's a former Queen, but the whole "protector" etc is there. You can say the same about Han and Leia, the commoner falling in love with the Princess, but with a rougher edge. This really is more like a traditional Fairy tale romance. Strange b/c i thought it would be more like a Han and Leia thing, but it seems more powerful for Darth Vader to have once been a sweet and conflicted boy on the cusp of manhood, trapped in a pure and innocent love. (OK< let's leave out the security camera thing for a minute... :tounge:

I sthere a thread opne on the love story? I hope so. But anyway, there's a lot of chivalry here, Anakin (the Knight)being assigned to protect a Queen, as she takes a journey. (Han sort of appoints himself the job, and thank God aversion to being a damsel in distress runs in the family.) Anakin taking Padme's hand and helping her out of the boat the rickshaw etc. She's so independent, surely she can get herself out of the damn boat! But this is all meant to be very Aurtherian roamnce, very charmingly Hollywood. If the critics rag on this for being hopelessly nostalgic, so the heck what. it's lovely, and the costumes make it even more so. We just don't see this sort of thing in a film nowadays. Nice to see Lucas still beleives in it, just by not being afraid to put it onscreen. And in a sci-fi film! (well, you know what I mean). And when they ride across the meadow on whatever that thing is (shaak?) it's hard not to imagine it being a horse. The Knight and his Queen riding across the meadow, her arms locked across his waist.

What I really love to think about is this: In the novel, does everyone remember after this scene, when they arrive back at the house, Ani starts to recite a nursery rhyme, and she finsihes it for him? He's surprised that they know the same nursery rhyme. Well, maybe they know the same fairy tales too. Jedi don't have access to "secular" fairy tales, I'm sure, but Anakin isn't a regular Jedi. He was taken from his mother at an age old enough that his mother HAD read him a lot of fairy tales. So that when he found out in the Gungan field she really was the Queen and not the handmaiden, and that he'd actually fallen in love with a real Queen (nevermind that she was elected, probably not like the Queen in his fairytale--or ours) and he was studying to become a jedi Knight (again, not the real kind of Knight but close enough), maybe he in his immature teenage innocence (and hey, wouldn't we, no matter how old we are?) pretended that they were enacting a fairytale, and started the whole chivalry/"Take my hand" bit. We allknow thiskid isn;t just in love withher, he's OBSESSED.
OK...

Anyway, that's an analogy that never fails to move me...

[Redsabre]

Some good observations so far. *I noticed the Vader-esque shadow when Anakin left to get Shmi. I wasn't sure before about hearing Qui-Gon say "Anakin, No!", but having now seen the movie 7 times, I'm convinced it was. Some other neat touches that others have mentioned:

Obi-Wan's line about Anakin being the death of him.

The whole Coruscant chase scene was like a combination of visuals from The French Connection and Blade Runner .

The part where Anakin's sabre is damaged and he says "Obi-Wan is gonna kill me." It made me think of the scene from TPM when Obi-Wan's lightsabre was malfunctioning on Naboo.

But my favorite part of the whole movie is after the first exchanges of Force powers between Dooku and Yoda. Yoda kind of shakes out his arms and hooks his claws in a Bruce Lee Enter the Dragon kind of pose, but the look on his face says it all. "whizzing me off, you are! Open up a can of whoop-ass, I will."

[Senator Theant]

HAHAHAHA . . . .

DId anybody else notice the ease at which the objects thrown at Yoda by Dooku fell to the ground. It seemed that Yoda struggled a little bit with gaining control of the object suspended in air, but once he had control, he had control.

Among other observations. . .

In the Chancellor's office at the beginning of the film, you can easily notice the shape of the chair that Palpatine occupies. Very similar to the Oval shape used aboard the Death Star in ROTJ. It even has certain buttons on the arms that Palp used to inform an officer in Ep VI: "Captain, fire when ready."

The "dogs" at the Tusken camp drown out Anakin's footsteps, esp when the two Tusken Raiders look up and see the two dogs fighting. Incredible it took me three viewings to realize it . . .

No Jabba in Ep II? I think not. I believe you may distinctly hear his voice ringing in the night club in Coruscant. You cant miss it. Its very loud. I would be surprised to find out that it wasnt his voice, though it may be argued that another Hutt was present.

[Rozi-Wan Kenobi]

Originally posted by Teta@May 22 2002 - 20:11
Yoda's comment about the Jedi becoming arrogant...esp the older and more experienced ones.
Does anyone else think he was referring to Dooku (btw here, Dooku=Duku is a fruit)...Dooku says how he's "become more powerful than any Jedi"...then does his finger-pointy-zappy thing

[Kafer]

The Yoda quote of Jedi getting more arrogant, especially the older ones. *I thought was aimed at Qui-Gon plus a little jab and Obi-wan.



Also, did anyone else notice when Padme's decoy gets blown up and Padme is comforting her, the decoy (Corday? is that her name) is bare footed.

[Meche]

Yeah, that was weird. Did her shoes get blown off but not her feet? I didn't think that possible. If they just fell off or something I don't see them anywhere.

[Kafer]

In the scene when Yoda is sensing Anakin killing all the Tuskens and we here Qui-Gon's voice saying "Anakin, Anakin!" Could it be Anakin's voice saying "No!" I went and saw it again yesterday and it certainly sounds like his voice.

[Luthien]

Originally posted by Teta@May 22 2002 - 20:11
Yoda's comment about the Jedi becoming arrogant...esp the older and more experienced ones. Who erased the files? She seemed pretty quick to deny Kamino didn't exist. I'll bet she was in on the erasal. I'll bet she onto something. Let's say that she knew there was place called Kamino (and she at one time knew there had to be.) Wouldn't it seem odd that it would be gone? Yoda knew it was erased.
Indeed, I was shocked at how arrogant that Jedi librarian was. "If it is not in here, it doesn't exist". That seemed so short-sighted, stupid and immature to me. The Jedi don't know everything.

[Luthien]

Originally posted by Kafer@May 25 2002 - 12:17
In the scene when Yoda is sensing Anakin killing all the Tuskens and we here Qui-Gon's voice saying "Anakin, Anakin!" *Could it be Anakin's voice saying "No!" *I went and saw it again yesterday and it certainly sounds like his voice.
From what I heard, it was Qui-Gon Jinn's voice...

[looceefir]

I think the Jedi librarian was meant to reflect some of the problems of the Jedi: their arrogance and stubborness.

I can't remember offhand but I've read a few people say it wasn't Qui-Gon saying "no" in that bit.

[Senator Amory]

Is it me, or am I the only one who notice one of the BIGGEST SPOILERS in Episode II? Didn't anyone elso notice the symbols on the CloneTrooper's helmets and the clone's spacecraft? It was the symbol of the Empire!!! Not the Old Republic, the New Republic, or the New Jedi Order's symbol, it was the Empire's symbol!!! As I have stated before, Palpatine is the Emperor. So obviously, after the war is over, he does not give back his power as promised, and gives rise to his New Order. So, in that sense, the CloneTroopoers do become the StormTroopers on the OriginalTrilogy. And to make my Palptine=Sidious/Emperor theory more valid, the DeathStar plans were with Count Dooku, who met with Sidious. And, if the Storm Troopers have the Empire's symbol on their suits, but they are the property of the Republic(Chancellor Palpatine), and they obviously turn into the StormTroopers of the Empire along with the DeathStar. Feww, it was a lot easier to explain it in my head until I started writing it.

[Kafer]

One thing I noticed missing in the movie. The scene from the trailers, when Obi and Ani are talking.

Obi: She's a politician and they're not to be trusted.
Ani: I've heard this lesson before
Obi: You haven't learned anything

I don't think it's anywhere in the movie. I know they talk about not trusting Politician. but that exact exchange is not in there.

[Tovor]

Obi: *She's a politician and they're not to be trusted.
Ani: *I've heard this lesson before
Obi: *You haven't learned anything.
I noticed that as well, Kafer. *In the trailer it appeared to take place in the nightclub they chased Sam Wessel into. *They had a nearly exact same discussion in Padme's apartment while she slept. *Either the nightclub "lesson" had been meant to further the discussion in the apartment, or else it was simply replaced by the lesson in the apartment. *I am still curious about it, to know if there was more to be told that ol' GL chose to trim down. I heard somewhere, maybe on these boards, that AOTC was originally 4 hours long and editted to 2 hours 14 minutes. *Well knock me down with a feather! Who do I have to bribe to be able to watch a 4 hour SW movie?

Another scene in the trailers but missing in the movie, although the subject was implied regardless, was when Bail Organa stated, "We have to stop them before they're ready", regarding the Seperatists droid army. *


The Yoda quote of Jedi getting more arrogant, especially the older ones. *I thought was aimed at Qui-Gon plus a little jab and Obi-wan.
I agree, but I also feel, although Yoda would not admit it, that he was implying older ones such as himself and Mace Windu. *After all, they were considered the 2 most revered and powerful Jedi of all, yet they were in the dark despite their abilities due to the shroud of the dark side. *They had thought they could control and handle everything, yet they were blindsided and fooled by the Dark Lord of the Sith. *Yoda may not have felt that way regarding himself when he made that comment, but he sure felt it at the end when he announced that the shroud of the dark side had fallen.

[looceefir]

I also feel, although Yoda would not admit it, that he was implying older ones such as himself and Mace Windu. After all, they were considered the 2 most revered and powerful Jedi of all, yet they were in the dark despite their abilities due to the shroud of the dark side.

I agree totally on this. I don't see how you can take a comment like that, from probably the oldest Jedi around, without considering that he is somehow accused by his words.

[DanielSkywalker]

This is just a little something. Did anyone else notice that Obi-Wan's starfighter looks alot like a really small version of Darth Vader's Executor (super star destroyer)?

[Senator Amory]

Yeah it does, doesn't it? I never noticed that. I guess that shape moves well in space. But did you also notice that the CloneTrooper's ships very closely resemble the future StarDestroyers? I guess the Empire copied the design. Too lazy to think of their own design. But, I can't lie, I wouldn't might have a SuperStarDestroyer of my own. That would be awesome!

[Vyndim]

I believe making the "transports" look like future Imperial vessels was an artistic choice that foreshadows the future. Also, if the idea worked why would Palpatine need to modify it? Remember, hes running the Republic so hes already begun shaping things how he wants them.

[Meche]

In the beginning, when Amidala is disguised as a pilot, anyone notice that after she gets out of her starfighter, she walks exactly like a girl? (stereotypically, I mean). I mean, I hadn't even known about her disguise, but when I saw that gait, I wondered.

[Vyndim]

Well, the moment I saw her get out of the starfighter, I knew it was her just by the eyes. Plus, they made a big deal about her having a decoy before, I figured she would be doing it again.

[Tovor]

I noticed the fighter pilot's female walk, but more than that I noticed the way the decoy walked down the ramp without the grace and smoothness of how Padme as queen in TPM walked. Right off the bat I could tell that the woman coming out of the ship wasn't Padme at all.

I realized something else after my most recent 6th viewing of ATOC. Actually I realized it after my 3rd viewing. While AOTC is more enjoyable for me than TPM (which I loved but found lacking), and I really do love this new film, the climactic lightsaber duels of Obi, Ani, and Yoda against Dooku do now bore me. They were good the first time I saw them, and the Yoda duel was exciting and surprising, but they no longer hold my interest by the time I get to that point in the movie. My true excitement starts with Anakin and Padme’s trip through the droid factory, the arena battle, the Clone army attack, the chase after Dooku, and ends with Obi and Ani reaching Dooku’s hangar. The original thrill of the 3 duels against Dooku have diminished in me to boredom at that point in the movie, yet the Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Darth Maul duel of TPM still thrills me everytime I watch it. What can I say? AOTC is a better story and movie, but TPM still reigns as having the best climactic lightsaber duel of all the movies.

[JocastaNu]

Either the nightclub "lesson" had been meant to further the discussion in the apartment, or else it was simply replaced by the lesson in the apartment. *

How it worked actually is that the "She's a politician part" didn't come in front of the nightclub, it always happened in the apartment. *The "I've heard this lesson before" and "But you haven't learned anything" always came in front of the nightclub, as part of Obi-Wan was giving Anakin back his lightsaber. *However that was replaced with the re-shot scene(you can tell by that godawful beard they have stuck on Obi-Wan:)) *where Obi-Wan says "...You must think. Use the Force, etc", I can only imagine it was changed to have Obi-Wan say something more teacherly.

I don't think the "arrogance" line was really directed specifically at anyone, either Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon or Mace. *I think Yoda was just speaking in general. Especially seeing as Obi-Wan really does not act that arrogantly during the film. *He's probably less arrogant than just about any of the Jedi except possibly Yoda. He's respectful to the masters, he asks for help when he needs it, he's willing to use "nontraditional" sources of information and trust them(like Dex), he doesn't react negatively to Yoda's teasing about his "lost planet", he even gets in on Yoda's teaching method with the younglings as he's following Yoda's lead and by the tone of his voice is directing his question regarding the missing planet to them as well as Yoda and gives kind of a warm smile when that little kid answers it. * Jocasta Nu was meant to give us an example of how even some of the older Jedi have become arrogant, possibly Ki Adi Mundi and maybe a little bit of Mace Windu(at the beginning when both of them are unwilling to believe Dooku could be behind her assassination attempts).

Tovor, while I haven't seen the lightsaber duel enough to bore me, style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif I do agree that the one with Maul still tops it. It's just much more exciting, especially in the way it's shot. The camera stays on Maul and Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon for a long period of time and you can see their full bodies into it, see the shots being blocked. The final part between Obi-Wan and Maul is especially exciting because they trade so many blows in a row(Ewan and Ray really outdid themselves in that scene). The editing is much too choppy and unclear to really get into it in AOTC.

[Kafer]

I've got a question. *Who is the actor that Obi talkes with in the bar?

Antenna guy: *Do you want to buy some Death Sticks
Obi: *You don't want to sell me Death Sticks
Antenna guy: *I don't want to sell you Death Sticks
Obi: *You want to go home and rethink your life
Antenna guy: *I want to go home and rethink my life

Who is he. *He seems so familiar it's driving me nuts.

Also, the whole lightsaber thing. The AotC battle hasn't bored me yet, but after my fourth viewing I realized I really do prefer the TPM lightsaber battle more. I only hope that Anakins and Obi's duel in EPIII will be closer to TPM than AotC.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Kafer@May 28 2002 - 12:27
I've got a question. *Who is the actor that Obi talkes with in the bar?
In the bar, the man who offers Obi-Wan "death sticks" is Mouse from the Matrix, and the child in the library (with the old woman) is the bald kid who bends spoons from the Matrix.

[Kafer]

Thank you!!!!!!!!!! I was going nuts. Every time I see it I think, I know that guy. It's on the tip of my brain.

[Teta]

Thanks Winston! I knew about Mouse, but that kid is also from the Matrix? You think GLO doesn't care about the competition? The man is clearly obsessed, when all the kid had to do was stand there for 2 seconds onscreen and then walk away style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/exclamation.gif I mean, you could dress up any gaffer's kid in a Jedi outfit and that would do:).

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Teta@May 28 2002 - 20:05
Thanks Winston! I knew about Mouse, but that kid is also from the Matrix?
That's what I heard.

I also heard that the actress who plays "the girl in the red dress" from the Matrix in it also (although, I don't think she's actually wearing a red dress in this one...), somewhere around the time when Zam crashes her speeder onto the street near the Outlander.

I don't know if it's necessarily true, or not; as with everything else these days, there is a lot of speculation and rumor out there concerning AotC.

Btw, have you heard this one?

"The Jedi who throws the lightsabers to Anakin and Obi-wan in the Geonosian Arena battle is Steve Sansweet, who works for Lucasfilm as an archivist, is an author of Star Wars books and collector of mercandise."

You can find more stuff like this at:

http://www.movie-mistakes.com/film.php?filmid=2254

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Kafer@May 28 2002 - 18:53
Thank you!!!!!!!!!! *I was going nuts. *Every time I see it I think, I know that guy. *It's on the tip of my brain.
Yep. I had a feeling he looked familiar.

[Tovor]

Tovor is back. *I *just worked a 16 hour (8am-12am) day, I'm tired, yet I still want to talk about AOTC because I thought about it while at work.

I don't know if this had been mentioned or so much as noticed by anyone else. *In the Naboo royal courtyard are a few Gungans standing around, wearing the type of headdress worn by the Gungan leaders with Boss Nass in TPM. *This was a nice touch, showing us that after Amidala and Boss Nass made their alliance in the last film, now the Gungans walk freely among the Naboo. *Thanks to Amidala, and Jar Jar, the segregation is no more. *If I remember right, they can be seen to the lower right of the screen just before we see Padme walking on the left and Anakin walking alongside on her right, with R2 behind them (the scene seen in the Forbidden trailer.).

[catwmnjedi]

What are you guys talking about? The kid in the library is GL's son. Duh. Don't you watch the documentaries? His daughter was the light blue Twil'lek in the bar standing with Ahmad Best.

I dunno, maybe the kid was in the Matrix also... I still haven't seen that movie... *ducks*

I plan to... promise! Hubby saw it with his friends and I never got around to it.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by catwmnjedi@May 29 2002 - 12:57
What are you guys talking about? *The kid in the library is GL's son. *Duh. *Don't you watch the documentaries
Hmmm... Are we talking about the dame kid here?

I'm talking about that the kid in the library who was waiting patiently for Jocasta to finish with Obi-Wan, as being in the Matrix. I have heard the the padawan kid in the map room who says that the files must have been erased was GL's son.

Like I said in one of my previous posts, I could be wrong.

After all, this is the Misinformation Age.

[Rozi-Wan Kenobi]

Originally posted by Tovor@May 28 2002 - 00:29
yet the Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Darth Maul duel of TPM still thrills me everytime I watch it. What can I say? AOTC is a better story and movie, but TPM still reigns as having the best climactic lightsaber duel of all the movies.
Hear hear! I thought the lightsaber duel in AOTC was kinda slow actually(Yoda notwithstanding) even when anakin had 2 lightsabers the strokes wr still slow n deliberate, but the drums drumming in the background..mmm nice

the TPM lightsaber duel send shivers down my spine everytime i watch it...its incredible, esp when obi-wan lashes out at maul after qui-gon was slain. best 3 secs ever. :smile:

[Brian]

Here are just some random observations after my 4th viewing.

1. Did anyone notice the kangaroos on Tattoine when the Naboo ship was landing?

2. Did anyone notice that Padme was dressed like a dominatrix (sp?) during the fireplace scene with Anakin?

3. Does anyone know why droids are so disliked in public places (i.e. that bar in ANH and the refugee ship in ATOC)? "No droids. We don't want your kind in here." Something to that effect.

4. Why didn't Yoda ram the column that he kept from falling on Obi-Wan and Anakin into Dooku's ship? Instead he just used the Force to "throw" it to the side. He had ample time to do it. Obviously this could have stopped him from leaving.

5. Speaking of that, what was the deal with Dooku's escape ship? Why the mylar sails (I nabbed that name from the movie "Armageddon"). Do they serve a purpose or are they just special effects meant to look cool? Same thing for Obi-Wan's ship. That space station like contraption didn't help him when he needed to communicate to Curosant. Why did he even need it or what the heck is it used for?

It seemed like there was something else, but I can't remember. Oh well.

[Brian]

Oh yeah, I remember now! *No one mentioned the lady in the thong in the night club in Curosant. *Right after Obi-Wan and Anakin enter, you see her bare a**. *GL used to be so up-tight about that sort of thing, sleezy old man.

[nunzio]

The external portion of the Jedi starfighter is an external hyperdrive. He doesn't need it when in system, so he detaches. That's not a very good design, however. Imagine a squadron of Jedi jumping into a system to do battle with opposing starfighters. They detach from their hyperdrives for dogfights. This leaves all of their hyperdrives unguarded and vulnerable for one foe to break away, destroy the devices, thereby trapping the Jedi in the system to be picked off, no escape possible. Also, sometimes you need to get to hyperspace quickly, not jockey around to the other side of the planet and attach to the rest of your ship, then finally be able to jump.

Regarding #3: since the galaxy is so diverse, they need someone to be the low rung on the ladder, so everyone chose non-organics (droids) to be it. ("We may only be [fill in name of species here], son, but at least we're not droids.")

[nunzio]

I think the Jedi starfighter looks almost identical to the A-wing, not the Super Star Destroyer. Even the reddish color is the same.

[Teek]

Those weren't kangaroos they were scurriers or something, I forget their name. They can be seen in the ANH:SE when Ben and Luke arrive in Mos Eisely. They're actually modified Jurassic Park raptors ILM had in their systems, they altered it into that creature for the SE.

[Meche]

I didn't know Amidala was dressed like a dominatrix, I thought she'd have to be dressed more explicitly. I heard that Lucas designed that dress btw. Ooh, let's make a shoulderless gown with a necktie. He must've gone to art school. ;) It wasn't a bad dress actually, just didn't seem too Star Warsy.

Many of the girls in the nightclub were dressed that way. We could barely see them though, the shots were fast.

Yeah, that boy in the library who was waiting for Jocasta. What was wrong with him? He had this weird screwed up expression on his face, was he about to cry or is his face just like that? (that was bad)

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by O-B-GATES@June 02 2002 - 00:32
3. *Does anyone know why droids are so disliked in public places (i.e. that bar in ANH and the refugee ship in ATOC)? *"No droids. We don't want your kind in here." Something to that effect.
I thought it was ironic that it was actually a DROID who said that in this movie. LOL

I guess some droids are on a higher rung than others...

[Rozi-Wan Kenobi]

Originally posted by O-B-GATES@June 02 2002 - 00:44
Oh yeah, I remember now! No one mentioned the lady in the thong in the night club in Curosant. Right after Obi-Wan and Anakin enter, you see her bare a**. GL used to be so up-tight about that sort of thing, sleezy old man.

According to the visual dictionary, the material her pants are soluble :devil: lol

[Tovor]

I recently took notice of some poetic symbolism toward the end of AOTC, regarding the Jedi's place in Palpatine's coming New Order. *In TPM we saw the "landscape" of flat city structure stretching from horizon to horizon around the Jedi Temple, broken only by a few small buildings scattered few and far between. *That part of the city planet was nearly flat atop the man-made landscape, with the magestic Jedi structure being the only large and high structure within sight. *

But, near the end of AOTC, we see the temple from afar before it cuts to Obi-Wan talking with Mace and Yoda. *What was different about the city/landscape at that point? *Well of course 10 years had passed and new buildings had been built, but it struck me that I saw the temple to the right, looking not as large as I had imagined it to be, with large structures at the left of the screen towering above and appearing to dwarf the temple. *In TPM the temple was the largest, highest building in that part of the planet, but in AOTC the more modern skyscrapers were advancing on the temple's place and threatening to obscure it's place on the surface. *The message in that scene? *Coruscant was advancing into the future and growing, but the Jedi temple, and perhaps the Jedi themselves and their traditions, were on their way to being obsolete and overshadowed by progress.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Tovor@June 04 2002 - 22:42
In TPM the temple was the largest, highest building in that part of the planet, but in AOTC the more modern skyscrapers were advancing on the temple's place and threatening to obscure it's place on the surface. *The message in that scene? *Coruscant was advancing into the future and growing, but the Jedi temple, and perhaps the Jedi themselves and their traditions, were on their way to being obsolete and overshadowed by progress.
The last time I saw AOTC (yesterday), I did notice that some of the other buildings around the Jedi Temple, especially a tower, seemed to be taller than the Jedi Temple itself (I thought, "What the hell is that tower doing there? It's a lot taller than the Jedi Temple. Is it part of the Jedi Temple itself?"), I just didn't put it together the way you did.

Good job!

[Tovor]

I just didn't put it together the way you did.
Good job!

Thanks=). I saw AOTC for the 7th time on Sunday, and someone joked with me later, asking me if I saw anything new when I went to the movies. I said, "yeah, because each time I see that film I notice something new about it." And I do see something new about the story each time I peer deeper below the upper layers of it.

[RollaFett]

Yeah, my lovely wife would has a name for that...nerd. Or geek. Take your pick, Tover. I usually alternate. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[tunafishman]

Originally posted by O-B-GATES@June 02 2002 - 00:32
5. *Speaking of that, what was the deal with Dooku's escape ship? *Why the mylar sails (I nabbed that name from the movie "Armageddon"). *Do they serve a purpose or are they just special effects meant to look cool?

The mylar sails are used to help the ship move through space without using an engine. *I don't know much about physics, but I remember reading articles a few years ago about how NASA is looking at designs for possible ships to use for a man mission to mars, and one of them involved a sail like that. Something about positive charged ions on one side of the sail and negative on the other side and that helps the ship move. I have a feeling GL included it maybe as a homage to this, but also just because it is a cool design and original in the SW universe. This is the first time we've seen a ship like that.

[Tovor]

Yeah, my lovely wife would has a name for that...nerd. Or geek. Take your pick, Tover. I usually alternate.


Heh heh. We're in good company then. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/alien.gif

[Foozbond]

When you see the shadow of Anakin and Padme kissing on Tatooine, when the get close together you can actually see Vader's helmet and cape in Anakin's shadow...just a little something my friends and I noticed.

[RollaFett]

The Vader shadow theory has been knocked around a little already. Some don't agree that it's there, others do. I do. But it's not an exact shadow of the Vader, it is Anakin through and through, however, it is cast in such a way that the audience can draw no other conclusion. It is an obvious reference, IMHO.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Tovor@May 17 2002 - 02:23

One thing I noticed the first time I saw AotC that I don't think anyone has mentioned, is when Obi-Wan and Anakin are squabbling in Padme's appartment at the begining, and we see the various incredulous facial expressions of Padme, Typho, etc., there's this one very short scene where Jar Jar's "Adam's apple" (if Gungans actually have those... LOL) goes down as he gulps nervously. I thought that was funny. Jar Jar always has stuff, like the groin shot he takes from the pit droid in Watto's junk shop, that is genuinely good, but seems to go unnoticed; probabaly because some people can't even LOOK at him for long enough to see it...

[Rogue_0009]

I noticeded this wierd thing on the speeder anakin "borrowed" above the headrests there are deer whistlers(things that when wind blows through them the produce hypersonic sounds to warn deer, you put them on your car)

[Brian]

You know, a funny thing? Deer actually don't hear hypersonic sounds so those things are rip offs. They don't work! Just FYI.

[Count Dooku]

I noticed the Death Star, and Qui-Gon's voice. I'm sure people have already said that. Plus we see Luke's future lightsaber in the hands of Anakin.

[Redsabre]

Something I noticed during my last couple of viewings . . .

In the Chancellor's quarters, when the news of the clone army is being debated and two of Palpatine's aides are arguing, in the background we can see two of the Red robed Imperial Guards. We also see the Imperial Guards at the end of the movie, when Palpatine is standing on his balcony, watching his army prepare to go out and start "restoring order."

[Meche]

Originally posted by Foozbond@June 08 2002 - 11:43
When you see the shadow of Anakin and Padme kissing on Tatooine
I thought it was just a hug. That's what it looked like when the camera showed them.

[DblDwn]

Here we have almost 6 full pages of "what everyone noticed in AOTC" and no one has mentioned the Millenium Falcon at the Naboo spaceport when Anakin and Padme's freighter is docking. At the very end of the scene you can see the Falcon on the far left of the screen.
I personally feel that the most significant scene in the entire movie is when Anakin tells Padme about his slaughtering of the Tuskens. Think about it. He clearly feels guilty about it, although he says they are animals and he hates them. He knew it was wrong to do, but did it anyway because it felt good to have that revenge for what they had done to Shmi. Not only is this Anakin's first true step towards the Dark Side, but it is also the true birth of the "conflict" within him that Luke talks of in ROTJ.

[NelsonCoressel]

It's not THE Falcon, there are two cargo ships of the Falcon's design there.

Last night I finally saw a digital screening of AOTC!
WOW! There are tons of things I noticed this time!
I was amazed at how the special effects looked even better in this format. Effects that I questioned before look much smoother and blend in better in the digital projection. If you live anywhere near a digital showing, you must go! It's really amazing. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Streen]

Considering how powerful he was with just being a Jedi Master for awhile, plus his Sith training, why did Dooku just kill Palp.? Surely he isn't that powerful.

Also if Anakin would have waited and attacked Dooku with Obi-Wan, they would have been able to stave him off until Yoda showed up. Then the Count could have easily been destroyed.

-Streen

[DblDwn]

Sorry to burst your bubble there Nelson, but McCallum has confirmed that since the Falcon would not fit into the prequels as far as the story is concerned, they included it in that scene as an homage.

[padme_rocks]

I know that I'm just saying the same things, but thats ok. I like the crawl aslo it was just different. I aslo notice Qiu Gon and his vocie "ANAKIN ANAKIN" when Yoda senced the pain in Anakin after kill the tuskens style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif. That was really cool *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif. Maybe just maybe we see a ghost of Qiu Gon in III is what this part made me think of. I noticed a lot of little things like when anakin kneels at his mothers gave and said "I will not fail again" that made me go oooo awwww...This moive had a lot of coners to turn. Who ever thought that JAR JAR would have any important role in a SW moive. Also the shadow of Anakin when he hugs Padme Anakin shadow looks like none other than Darth Vader...minus a few pounds that its. I aslo noticed that when Anakin wears his black cape thing is flows like Vaders in 4-6. But the shadow thing took my breath away...Nice touch GL! Well I most likly see it again for the 5th time tonight so I'll look for even more.

[NelsonCoressel]

DblDwn, then why are there two of them?

I'm sure they used the Falcon model, but that doesn't mean it's supposed to be the one and only Millennium Falcon we see in Episodes 4, 5 and 6. What we see in AOTC for a couple of seconds are a couple of standard cargo ships parked on Naboo.

[DblDwn]

That's right, McCallum confirmed that it was the Falcon because it really isn't. OK, cool, thanks for setting me straight there Nelson (sarcasm for anyone that can't tell the difference). Here's some advice for you Nelson, next time you go to see the movie, stay sober. You don't tend to see double when you are not inebriated.

[Teek]

DblDwn, I'd apologize to Nelson after that personally attack, especially because there ARE two Falcon model ships there. Here's a link to a pic from an old TFN story that first reported it:

http://cgi.theforce.net/theforc....egg.jpg (http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/image.cgi?Image=episode2/newspics/falcon_egg.jpg)

In this cropped screen cap you can see part of another of that model ship to the left of the one that's fully seen. If you watch it on a clear screen that allows you to see the FULL image, two of them can be seen.

[JediBendu]

In the scene where Shmi dies, a few seconds after she collapses a small tear comes out of her left eye. I'm pretty sure a corpse doesn't cry so the actress who played Shmi must have been really into the part.

[Redsabre]

Hmmmmmm . . . *I'm going to have to modify one of my earlier observations about AOTC. Somewhere in this thread, I mentioned that we see the Red robed Imperial guards from ROTJ for the first time when the clone army issue is being debated in Palpatine's quarters. I have since seen the movie yet again, and the Imperial Guards are present in Palpatine's quarters at the very beginning of the movie. I also noticed that the only time we see Palpatine in his office without the Imperial Guards is when Palpatine is talking to Anakin.

Hmmmmm . . . *a new topic about this, perhaps I will create.

Also, I noticed something about the clone troopers suits . . . when Padme falls out of the gunship, and the clone trooper comes up to her and asks if she's all right, take a close look at the black body suit the trooper has on under the outer armor. It looks a lot like the black body suit that was part of Vader's costume. Some sort of secondary armor that also helps regulate body temperature?

[DblDwn]

Upon observing the link that Teek provided, I stand corrected. I said that it was the Falcon and Nelson said that it was two ships of the Falcon's design. Granted that one ship is bigger than the other, so you have papa Falcon and the smaller Falcon that grows up to be the Falcon in the OT. (obviously a joke, for those that don't get it). Based on that I would have to admit that I was incorrect on the matter. Nelson, although I was only joking about the staying sober while watching the movie comment, and since I was wrong in my conclusions, I apologize.

[Wolfe_13]

I didn't want to check like 9 pages of things so I'm just going to ask. Did anyone see the Deer Thing on the yellow space craft that Obi and Anakin are in. When Anakin is looking for Zam behind his head is a Deer Whistle. I don't know if anyone already mentioned it so just asking.

[JediBendu]

What's a deer whistle? :p

There's also one I'm not too sure on - When Obi's starfighter enters the Kamino system, the shot of the pilot looks to be anything but Obi, no beared and thin hair.

[NelsonCoressel]

No problem, DblDwn! I laughed out loud at your "seeing double" comment. I thought it was pretty funny.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Kafer]

Okay, it's beem awile since I've been here. Just got back from viewing #6. When Ani is told to go look for Zam while Obi gets a drink, Ani actually waves to Ahmed and Lucas' daughter. Well, wave is to strong a word. His hand is up and he gives it a little movement. but he's obviously looking at Lucas' daughter.

[DblDwn]

Maybe this is me reading too much into the story, but I just had a random thought here. I am one of those people that is under the assumption that Sifo-Dyas is Sidious. For those who haven't seen my support for this claim here's a few quickies: 1) names are far too similar for it to be a coincidence, 2) Sifo-Dyas was once on the Jedi Council and therefore, upon choosing the path of the Sith, could assume the role as Darth Sidious and have increased powers. Whereas Palpatine, being just a politician from Naboo, has no proven source for any connection with the Force, 3) Quite simply it is too darn obvious that Palpatine is in fact Sidious and I don't buy it for that reason alone. Whenever you watch any kind of who-dun-it style of movie, the person who is percieved to be guilty throughout rarely ends up being so.
Based upon that I was thinking about the fact that Palpatine appears to be so concerned with the development of Anakin. We are to believe that because he is that involved in Anakin's progress, he must be Sidious. How about this though? If Palpatine is Sidious and therefore determined to make Anakin his eventual Number Two, why would Dooku be so aggressive with him? Wouldn't you think that if indeed Palpatine and Sidious are one in the same, he would have ordered Dooku to not harm 'the boy'? Instead though, Dooku doesn't hesitate to use the lightning on him, then he chops his arm off, and then he attempts to crush both Anakin and Obi-Wan in an attempt to escape from Yoda. I understand that a case can be made to thwart this assumption. True, he uses the lightning on Anakin, but he doesn't do it to do anything more than to merely stun him. True, he cuts off Anakin's arm, but at least he doesn't pull a Jango on him and de-capitate him. True, he attempts to crush the two of them, but in knowing that Yoda would have to allow for his escape to save his comrades, it was the logical move at that point. I know that I am refuting my own ideas here, but I am just simply doing what most of you would have done regardless. I only wanted to put the idea out there to support my theory that Sifo-Dyas is Sidious.

[darthtanen]

yoda definately heard qui-gon yell,"anakin, anakin", but i dont think it was qui-gon that said, "no," it sounds more like someone in pain, also lucas says that this has something to do with e3

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by DblDwn@June 19 2002 - 16:34
If Palpatine is Sidious and therefore determined to make Anakin his eventual Number Two, why would Dooku be so aggressive with him? Wouldn't you think that if indeed Palpatine and Sidious are one in the same, he would have ordered Dooku to not harm 'the boy'? Instead though, Dooku doesn't hesitate to use the lightning on him...
Well, if Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku) had heard the phrase 'do not harm the boy', he would obviously (unless Tyranus is stupid, or simply not familiar with the niceties of being the Sith Apprentice) be assuming that 'the boy' is to be his successor; i.e.his Master has found his next Apprentice, and his own time in the universe is short.

Sidious probably never mentioned 'the boy' (and why would he tell his (probably disposable) Apprentice something as imortant to his grand design as the bagging of the 'Chosen One', which he may, or may not have had; but Palpatine (Darth Sidious) did seem rather keen on 'the boy', Anakin Skywalker, didn't he?), or if he did, he may have said something innocuous, such as, 'be mindful, the boy is impressive, he will not fall easily.' And when he kicked his a** so easily, Dooku was as dissapointed as would be expected. Thus (considering Palpy's usual pattern of misdiredtion), having thrown Tyranus off the trail of his nearest rival.

Brilliant.

[DblDwn]

Well Winston, if Sidious/Palpatine told Dooku not to harm Anakin, and he did anyway out of spite, Sidious would inevitably kill Dooku for disobeying his orders. Sure, he may not have told Dooku anything of his grand scheme, but it is more likely that Dooku does know 'the plan'.
However, I am of the believe that Sidious is Sifo-Dyas, and not Palpatine, and since Sifo-Dyas is formely of the Jedi Council, he may attempt to create some sort of a Sith Council in his purge of the Jedi. Aurra Sing will be a part of this, as will Anakin of course. Whether this is before Dooku is killed who knows? After Darth Maul was killed in TPM, Sidious would possibly think that 'more is better' and do away with the whole 'only two there are' way of the Sith.
What were Dooku's intentions for attempting to coerce Obi-Wan into joining him in AOTC? Was he trying to get Obi-Wan to join him, thinking that they would destroy the Sith and rule the galaxy, or was he trying to get him to join him so that they (Sidious & Dooku) could later covert Obi-Wan to the Dark Side? Maybe Obi-Wan was meant to be placed on this possible Sith Council? Maybe after witnessing Anakin's lack of patience and obvious anger and hatred within him, Dooku informs Sidious of this and they decide to focus on converting Anakin to their side?
Notice that the only two people we have seen use the 'Force Lightning', or whatever you wanna call it, are Sidious and Dooku. Dooku we know for a fact is a former Jedi who converted to the Sith. If I am correct, and Sifo-Dyas is in fact Sidious, that would make sense that one must have previously been trained under the Light Side of the Force and then turn to the Dark Side in order to have this ability. The reason why Anakin, once he becomes Vader at least, cannot use the lightning is because he is "Mostly machine now". He would need to be of himself to use this ability and, as we see at the end of ROTJ, the lightning really has a bad effect on the machinary he is mostly made up of.

[queenamadila]

well i dont know if this is important and i dont know if someone has already found this out but anyway:
in episode six when luke chops darth vader/anakins hand off he sees wires coming out of it and he has a wierd look on his face. in episode two when anakins hand gets chopped off he gets a mecanic hand and it is his right hand, and luke chops his right hand off. see? :what: thats what i noticed, :look:

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by DblDwn@June 20 2002 - 12:35

:::Well Winston, if Sidious/Palpatine told Dooku not to harm Anakin, and he did anyway out of spite, Sidious would inevitably kill Dooku for disobeying his orders.

Exactly why Sidious probably didn't mention 'the boy' in any obvious, threatening way; to avoid rousing his apprentice's ever-vigilant, suspicious Sith nature.

But then for all we know (and for the sake of the story, PLEASE, GEORGE, NO!!! We all really care about what happens to Count Dooku, now; DON'T KILL HIM OFF BETWEEN EPISODES!!!), Sidious may have a NEW apprentice in Ep. III. Ya never know...

:::Sure, he may not have told Dooku anything of his grand scheme, but it is more likely that Dooku does know 'the plan'.

I agree. If you mean 'the plan' for his eventual removal as Sith apprentice. And even if you mean the plan for the 'clone army, which subjugates the Galaxy through 'liberating' the Separatist systems, along with the related goal of 'reclaiming power' from all the corporate intersts involved in the Secessionist movement, for the 'common good' of the Republic in mind, of course.

:::However, I am of the believe that Sidious is Sifo-Dyas, and not Palpatine, and since Sifo-Dyas is formely of the Jedi Council,

Oh. So, if Sidious is Sifo-Dyas; and Palpatine is a clone of Sifo-Dyas; and I assume that's what you think?; and they both look a lot like Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, by the way, why wouldn't the Jedi notice the 'tremor in the force' of a Supreme Chancellor of the Republic who looks EXACTLY like a former Jedi knight, who died at about the same time?

Indeed, they must be "blind".

:::he may attempt to create some sort of a Sith Council in his purge of the Jedi. Aurra Sing will be a part of this, as will Anakin of course. Whether this is before Dooku is killed who knows? After Darth Maul was killed in TPM, Sidious would possibly think that 'more is better' and do away with the whole 'only two there are' way of the Sith.

He (Palpatine/Sidious) is the very EPITOME of a Sith master. Why would he throw away (a/two) thousand years of Sith tradition (and fearful paranoia; and you KNOW that Sidious is a hard a**, elitist snob in the vein of the Star Wars equivalent of the British Royal family, right) to just have 'his own way'?

Not a convincing villain, that is. In that case, he could be capable of being corrupted (either way) by his 'feelings', rather than his powerful, raw intellect.

In the words of Master Windu (and Kenobi): "I don't think so."

:::What were Dooku's intentions for attempting to coerce Obi-Wan into joining him in AOTC? Was he trying to get Obi-Wan to join him, thinking that they would destroy the Sith and rule the galaxy, or was he trying to get him to join him so that they (Sidious & Dooku) could later covert Obi-Wan to the Dark Side?

Only two, there are. A Master, and an apprentice (i.e. one of the three would naturally have to DIE!!!)

The Sith Order seems to imitate the Jedi Order in a lot of ways (without all the hokey, irrelevant "never using the Force for attack" stuff), even Master Yoda scolded Qui-Gon Jinn, when he attempted to take young Anakin as his apprentice, by stating: "A Padawan learner, you already have."

I'll get to the rest later...

Maybe...

[DblDwn]

Alright everyone we are all wasting our time on this site because apparently almighty Winston has everything figured out and knows who everyone is and what is going to happen to them. Your problem Winston is that you assume everything is lying out on the table for you to just make sense of and that is it. There is a reason why Episode III is the last of six movies and not the third. It is so you can take what has happened throughout the previous movies and say, "well holy s***, this is obviously this, and this is obviously that, and he is obviously him, and yada yada yada." Do you really think that Lucas would make Episode III, by far the darkest and most disturbing movie yet, the last movie in his saga, if he wasn't going to have you walking out of the theater saying "holy s***, I had my head up my a** because I was sure that that was this, and he was actually that?" Go back to class, study some more and then come talk with the big boys ok son.

[darthtanen]

could it be that there are two sith masters trying to get control:

sidious/dooku

palpatine/vader

that could keep the master aprentice thing going

[NelsonCoressel]

There is a reason why Episode III is the last of six movies and not the third

Yes, it's because Lucas developed the story in that order. He had the middle worked out and is now developing and finishing up the first half. It is not just to suprise us. I doubt if he's going to come up with some weird twist just to make us say "holy crap!"

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by DblDwn@June 22 2002 - 02:0
:::Alright everyone we are all wasting our time on this site because apparently almighty Winston has everything figured out and knows who everyone is and what is going to happen to them.
No. Not really. There are still which things which mystify even myself. <!--emo&:blush:

As a matter of fact, I am very curious as to how (assuming that Palpy is Sidious) the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic can sneak off to await Dooku's clandestine arrival at the abandoned warehouse district.

I mean, how could the most (politically) powerful man in the galaxy just disappear without someone wondering where he has run off to (maybe he uses the same kind of mind trick old Ben used on the Death Star to sneak out of the Falcon and into the control room?). And, as someone pointed out, somewhere, maybe it was you, there are three scenes happening at about the same time (the red-skied twilight) on Coruscant at the end of the movie: 1) Dooku reunites with Sidious in the secret meeting place 2) Obi-Wan, Mace and Yoda discuss the continously unraveling mystery of the Sith and the begining of the Clone War and 2) Palpatine, Organa and Amedda observe the departure of the clones to do battle with the Separatists; the same actor, Ian McDiarmid was required in two out of three of these scenes - amounting to one person being in two places at once IF the Sidious = Palptatine theory is correct - very confusing.

Hmmmm... maybe it's just more of GL's infamous bad editing?


Your problem Winston is that you assume everything is lying out on the table for you to just make sense of and that is it.

No. My problem is that Episode III isn't going to be released tomorrow, despite my constant wailing that it should be.

But, calm down, I'm just spewing my ultimately worthless, yet well thought out and considered opinion here, just like everybody else.

Take it or leave it.


Do you really think that Lucas would make Episode III, by far the darkest and most disturbing movie yet, the last movie in his saga, if he wasn't going to have you walking out of the theater saying "holy s***, I had my head up my a** because I was sure that that was this, and he was actually that?"

It's going to be good. I'm sure that everyone will be surprised (even me in all my 'almightyness' *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif ) by what happens; excpet the spolier-hounds, who will have the plot and most of the dialog leaked to them a year and a half before the next film *comes to theaters.

Last time, I heard something about a 'Master Sifo-Diyas' on some spoiler thread somewhere, and then forgot about it. But as I watched the movie, I realized that I had indeed, been spoiled. I am not going to let that happen again.

And just so you know, one of the things I won't even touch, as far as serious speculation, is how Anakin falls to the Dark Side and/or (possibly) into the 'molten pit.

So, no. I don't have it all figured out, after all. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif


Go back to class, study some more and then come talk with the big boys ok son.

How wuud! (I just love saying that...) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[DblDwn]

Lucas had the whole story figured out before he made ANH. Nelson and Winston seem to think that Lucas made ANH, then decided while writing ESB that, "hey, I'll make Vader Luke's father, that'll be really neat." The biggest plot twists in the saga thus far is in ESB when we learn that Vader really is Anakin and in ROTJ when we learn that Leia is Luke's sister, therefore Anakin/Vader's daughter as well. Although I'm sure that Sherlock Holmes and Watson (more like Shaggy and Scooby) over here already had that figured out though by the end of the opening scroll in ANH. The trilogies are supposed to mirror each other because they are, as Lucas has said, like a symphony on film. Therefore plot twists in the OT equal plot twists in the prequels. Have there even been any plot twists yet in the prequels? Not really. It was obvious to anyone that had an IQ higher than their number of fingers that Padme was really the queen, if for no other reason than that it was Natalie Portman and we knew she was playing the queen. So that came as no surprise. It was also obvious that Padme would eventually turn out to be the mother of Luke and Leia. Who else was it going to be, Mon Mothma? Sure, when we learn that Boba Fett is a clone, that is a surprise, but it is hardly a plot twist that effects the outcome of anything to come. None of these are even near the revelation that Vader is Anakin or that Leia is Luke's twin. If you two really think that there is no surprise to come of Episode III at all, then maybe you guys should stick to watching Power Rangers or some other simplistic series that is more suitable for your level of deductive reasoning. Study hall starts in 10 minutes.........hurry along now.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by DblDwn@June 22 2002 - 16:51
Lucas had the whole story figured out before he made ANH. Nelson and Winston seem to think that Lucas made ANH, then decided while writing ESB that, "hey, I'll make Vader Luke's father, that'll be really neat." The biggest plot twists in the saga thus far is in ESB when we learn that Vader really is Anakin and in ROTJ when we learn that Leia is Luke's sister, therefore Anakin/Vader's daughter as well.
Maybe not. But I DID hear that Lucas decided to go with the Leia is Luke's sister thing at the last minute, the 11th hour, if you will.


Although I'm sure that Sherlock Holmes and Watson (more like Shaggy and Scooby) over here already had that figured out though by the end of the opening scroll in ANH.

I prefer you address me as Inspector Gadget... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif


If you two really think that there is no surprise to come of Episode III at all, then maybe you guys should stick to watching Power Rangers or some other simplistic series that is more suitable for your level of deductive reasoning.

I never said there will be 'no surprises' in Ep. III.

I just threw out my best guess at what I think will happen; and I actually expect that I'm going to be very wrong; I'm pretty sure it's going to be vastly different from any of my blind speculations. But I can have fun with it, and annoy people like you in the process, so what's the harm? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

There's still something called 'the unknown' which Lucas has every intention of throwing at us without any hint of mercy whatsoever.

And I have never had ANY of these movies figured out; I was as surprised (not to mention a little uncomfortable) as anyone else when it turned out that Luke & Leia where brother and sister... Oh, and when Boba Fett wasn't Luke's real father, and Vader wasn't lying about the "I am your father" bit. And when Vader actually threw the Emperor over the rail to save his son...

[RollaFett]

DblDwn- Uhmmm...have you ever considered decaf?

[NelsonCoressel]

Lucas had the whole story figured out before he made ANH.

Yes, I do agree with that for the most part. But he did not have every little detail worked out. Actually MAKING the films helped him develop it further and now he's completing it, that's all I'm saying.

What was this topic about again? *style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/alien.gif

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Tovor@May 29 2002 - 01:31
I don't know if this had been mentioned or so much as noticed by anyone else. *In the Naboo royal courtyard are a few Gungans standing around, wearing the type of headdress worn by the Gungan leaders with Boss Nass in TPM....If I remember right, they can be seen to the lower right of the screen just before we see Padme walking on the left and Anakin walking alongside on her right, with R2 behind them (the scene seen in the Forbidden trailer.).
And, there's more!

Did you notice that the Gungans in the Naboo courtyard had the exact same dialog (Though you can't really hear it in AotC if you're listening to Anakin and Padme talk...as far as I can make out, it's: Gungan #1: "Muy muy!" Gungan: #2: "Hatta, hatta." ) as the two Gungans who stand out the most in Jar Jar's return to Gunga City, and that they were in the exact same area of the screen (bottom-ish right corner) and that the camera pans from the far left to the far right in both scenes?

So, maybe they're the same Gungans?

I don't know, but it's cool, if you ask me.

[Winston_Sith]

One more thing I noticed, and I hope I'm not repeating what someone else said:

The music that starts playing when Padme and Anakin are in Queen Jamilla's throne room, after Padme starts in on her "Oh, Anakin's not a Jedi yet. He's just a Padawan Learner..." thing, sounds similar, if lower in volume, to the loud and intense music that starts playing when Anakin is in the Tusken dwelling after he has been overcome by the grief of his mother's death, and then he gets that agry look on his face...

So, I guess Padme REALLY made him angry, too.

I just noticed this today, so, did anyone notice if this same musical thread is present when Anakin and Obi-Wan are bickering in Padme's appartment?

I think it would be interesting if it was.

[Brian]

Did you all notice that Anthony Daniel's cameo character in AOTC is called Lieutenant Dannl Faytonni (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/lieutenantfaytonni/index.html)? *Faytonni? *Is Lucus poking fun at Daniel's sexual preference? *Faytonni? *Gay Tony (Tony being a usual nickname for Anthony)? *Just a thought....

[JediBendu]

perhaps freud would love to see you ;)

[DanielSkywalker]

I don't think anyone else has mentioned anything about Dex's tattoo on his upper-right forearm. If I'm not mistaken, the tattoo is the same one that Jabba the Hutt's cronies have in some of the EU stuff. I know EU isn't considered canon, but Mr. Lucas has used various other things from EU for the prequels. What do you guys think?

[Pepper]

OK, I don't know if this has already been mentioned, cause I haven't (yet) had the time to read through the rest of this thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating someone else. I just wanna post this before I forget.

I noticed, whilst reading the AOTC novel, that Darth Tyranus is a practitioner of the old, archaic fencing styles of Jedi past. *It was this style, in addition to his skill and power, that enabled him to defeat Obi-Wan and Anakin in AOTC. *His fencing style is described as much more efficient in a sword fight than the twirly, showy styles used by most of the other Jedi, including OB1 and Ani. *So then, as I was reading, I recalled how both Vader and Obi-Wan fought in ANH. *Remember...? *Both were using a fencing style, right? *Hmmm...seems to me the Ol' Count taught them a lesson or three, wouldn'tchya say?

[Bandersnatch]

I noticed lots of stuff, but one thing that struck me was the sound in the Coruscant chase. Of course the whole scene is pretty much Bladerunner meets Indiana Jones in a galaxy far, far away, but the noise the bounty hunter chick's ship makes as is zooms by has a wailing quality not unlike some of the sound effects and Vangelis music in Bladerunner.

[Tovor]

I noticed, whilst reading the AOTC novel, that Darth Tyranus is a practitioner of the old, archaic fencing styles of Jedi past. It was this style, in addition to his skill and power, that enabled him to defeat Obi-Wan and Anakin in AOTC. His fencing style is described as much more efficient in a sword fight than the twirly, showy styles used by most of the other Jedi,
I noticed that too, Pepper, the ol' one handed approach that Vader later used against Luke in TESB. *Check out the following thread for a discussion on your observation:

http://www.galacticsenate.com/ikonboa....3;t=804 (http://www.galacticsenate.com/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=13;t=804)

[NelsonCoressel]

Bandersnatch, I read your last post and then popped in my laserdisc of Bladerunner. You're right, Zam's speeder does sound like some of the electronic music by Vangelis in Bladerunner, only perhaps a bit "faster and more intense."

[Bandersnatch]

I think I also read somewhere (maybe even in this thread?) that there actually are some Bladerunner cars and buildings in the Coruscant scenes.

[Kafer]

Wow, had to go a bit to find this thread. I went and saw AotC again today. Trying to pay attention to the stuff in the back ground. During the big Jedi vs droid battle in the arena. When Mace and Fett are going at it, there is a shot on Jango and in the background there's a Jedi fighting. I would bet a large sum of money that the Jedi there is Nick the stunt guy. Sorry, I think his last name is Griard. It looks a lot like him.


And, just an observation. Padme manages to keep her shawl all the way through the production facility, and yet the Geonosians take it away before the execution but don't take her utility belt with the hand lock picker in it? Very odd.

[Justin]

I noticed that the title makes no sense.

[Brian]

Just thought I'd bump one of the coolest thread of last summer. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Brian]

Originally posted by catwmnjedi+May 17 2002, 12:49 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(catwmnjedi @ May 17 2002, 12:49 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Also, I believe that creature (Dex?) that Obi-Wan visited in the diner is actually in one of the Jedi Apprentice series book as an old friend of Qui-Gon's that Obi-Wan meets as a boy. I have to verify the name in the book, but he was a Coruscant diner owner.[/b]

<!--QuoteBegin-Kafer@May 18 2002, 03:24 PM
Dex is a character from the Jedi apprentice books. (Thanks Cat. That one was driving me nuts.)[/quote]
Anyone know which book Dex was in? I'm almost finished with the series (on book 16) and no Dex, thus far.

[Darth Vegas]

You know what I read that book, but it wasn't Dex, it was someone else as I believe. I don't recall what book it was either. But the book was out before AOTC.

[Brian]

There was a dude that owned a cafe that was Qui-Gon's friend, but his name wasn't Dexter. His name was (quickly consults Nathan Butler's Timeline Gold) Didi Oddo and he had a daughter named Astri who played a major part in that story arc.


They were in The Deadly Hunter (#11), The Evil Experiment (#12), and The Dangerous Rescue (#13).

[Darth Vegas]

They were also talked about in "Jedi Quest" that's where I heard about them.

[RollaFett]

Hey dorks, EU sucks. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Brian]

Originally posted by GollaFett@Apr 8 2003, 12:38 AM
Hey dorks, EU sucks. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
Hey, chit-for-brains, EU doen't suck. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Tovor]

Hey, chit-for-brains
"Chit" for brains? That's a funny word. Some people don't know chit from chanola. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Javen]

I noticed two things in AOTC.

1 When Padme falls out of the ship, and then they cut back to her in the sand is the words THX.

2 When Obi Wan throws his lightsaber to Anakin. The sabers get switched somehow. (Don't tell me Anakin switches them because he doesn't.)Watch that scene Dooku and Anakinagain and pay attention and you will see what I am talking about.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen@May 7 2003, 06:42 AM
1 When Padme falls out of the ship, and then they cut back to her in the sand is the words THX.


:eek: So that's where it is...


2 When Obi Wan throws his lightsaber to Anakin. The sabers get switched somehow. (Don't tell me Anakin switches them because he doesn't.) Watch that scene Dooku and Anakin again and pay attention and you will see what I am talking about.

Javen, look closely, he really does switch the lightsabers, put it in slow motion, it's very subtle, but it's there.

[Javen]

Originally posted by TK-007+May 7 2003, 09:48 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ May 7 2003, 09:48 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Javen@May 7 2003, 06:42 AM
1 When Padme falls out of the ship, and then they cut back to her in the sand is the words THX.


:eek: So that's where it is...


2 When Obi Wan throws his lightsaber to Anakin. The sabers get switched somehow. (Don't tell me Anakin switches them because he doesn't.) Watch that scene Dooku and Anakin again and pay attention and you will see what I am talking about.

Javen, look closely, he really does switch the lightsabers, put it in slow motion, it's very subtle, but it's there. [/b][/quote]
Uh are you mocking me bout the THX thing. Becauseit's there.


And I have put it in slow motion to make sureI wasn't missing him switch and it doesn't look like it to me at all.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Javen@May 7 2003, 07:02 AM
Uh are you mocking me bout the THX thing. Becauseit's there.
Uh no, I just have never noticed that's all.


And I have put it in slow motion to make sureI wasn't missing him switch and it doesn't look like it to me at all.

Well, believe you me, he switches em', his back is too the camera at the time of course, and it's really quick, but it's there.

[Javen]

I will look at it again. Not saying he doesn't, but it must be blinkin eye quick. I will put toothpicks in so my eyelids won't close. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Frendon]

Originally posted by Javen@May 7 2003, 09:42 AM
When Padme falls out of the ship, and then they cut back to her in the sand is the words THX.

Is this what you are talking about Javen?? Because I can't see it ???

[Master Patton]

I can see part of T ...no h or x....

[Jedi-master-Orion]

I remember one time i was watching it in the arena fight i noticed in the background a droid knock down a jedi and the jedi tried to get up or escape but the droid shot him then another time i saw a young jedi with two sabers and an old jedi with two sabers in the background.

[Jedi-master-Orion]

Originally posted by Frendon+May 7 2003, 01:12 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frendon @ May 7 2003, 01:12 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Javen@May 7 2003, 09:42 AM
When Padme falls out of the ship, and then they cut back to her in the sand is the words THX.

Is this what you are talking about Javen?? Because I can't see it ??? [/b][/quote]
i see 1138 but not thx but 1138 isn't in the sand coincedence :: cue twilight zone theme::

[Javen]

Originally posted by Jedi-master-Orion+May 7 2003, 04:01 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jedi-master-Orion @ May 7 2003, 04:01 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Frendon@May 7 2003, 01:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Javen@May 7 2003, 09:42 AM
When Padme falls out of the ship, and then they cut back to her in the sand is the words THX.

Is this what you are talking about Javen?? Because I can't see it ???
i see 1138 but not thx but 1138 isn't in the sand coincedence :: cue twilight zone theme:: [/b][/quote]
Funny, I hear vader, and yet he's not in TPM. hmmm...