Death Star would go into hyperspace about 30 minutes later

[MandalorianJF]

In ANH, What would happen if the Death Star would go into hyperspace about 30 minutes later?
Would the Rebelion Ship go into hyperspace to the Alderaan system, and then the Death Star would approach Yavin 4 and sins there would be no-one to protect it, the Death Star would destroy the planet?

[Sarah-Leia]

Could you rephrase that? I couldn't understand. :confused:

[Cassus Fett]

neither did i

[bluemilk]

In ANH, What would happen if the Death Star would go into hyperspace about 30 minutes later?
Would the Rebelion Ship go into hyperspace to the Alderaan system, and then the Death Star would approach Yavin 4 and sins there would be no-one to protect it, the Death Star would destroy the planet?
this doesn't make sense :confused:

Tarkin set the Death Star on course to Yavin IV because Vader had a team of technicians place a tracking device on the Millenium Falcon, which, after escaping the Death Star, went to Yavin IV to rendevous with the Rebel Alliance.

If the Millenium Falcon hadn't gone to Yavin IV then the Death Star would not have followed. Tarkin and Vader took the Death Star to Alderaan to force Leia to give up the location of the rebel base...and that was all occuring regardless of whether Han and Co. arrived or not.

I'm confused as to what your question is...

[Mothman]

In ANH, What would happen if the Death Star would go into hyperspace about 30 minutes later?
Would the Rebelion Ship go into hyperspace to the Alderaan system, and then the Death Star would approach Yavin 4 and sins there would be no-one to protect it, the Death Star would destroy the planet?

I'm trying to picture the Death Star in hyperspace. I suppose that for the distance it needed to travel, it would have to be able to go into hyperspace. But, where are the big engines that makes it do that? All of the "traditional" spaceships have big engines on the back of them. Why doesn't the Death Star have a big engine on whatever side you would consider to be the back?

Happy Life Day! :santa:

[Cydon]

Could you rephrase the question?

[MandalorianJF]

OK, sorry, let me rephrase that

IN THE MOVE
1st) Rebellion plan to destroy the Death Star (when it was in the Alderan system)
2nd) Death Star came out of hyperspace near Yavin
3rd) Rebel Ship took off and attacked the Death Star

WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPEND IF THE DEATH STAR LEFT ALDERAN SYSTEM 30 MINUTS LATER
1st)Rebellion plan to destroy the Death Star
2nd) Rebel Ship took off to go into hyperspace (to the Alderan system where Death Star was/is)
3rd) Death Star goes into hyperspace
4th) Rebel ship come out of hyperspace and Death Star is not there
5th) Death Star comes out of hyperspace in the Yavin system
6th) there is no one to protect the planet/destroy the Death Star and the Death Star destroys the planet.

[Cydon]

Then farewell to Rebel Command!

[bluemilk]

Ahh. Well the Rebellion didn't actually plan on attacking the Death Star that soon. Leia was supposed to deliever the Death Star plans to Bail Organa on Alderaan. I'm sure that sometime in the near future, after analyzing the plans they would've mounted a strike at the Death Star.

It's only because of her capture and her "escape" aboard the Millenium Falcon, to which Tarkin and his Death Star were in pursuit did they meet up at Yavin and go into battle.

The Death Star would not have gone to Yavin as Leia did not give up the location of the rebel base. She lied and said it was on Dantooine.

[huttslime]

In ANH, What would happen if the Death Star would go into hyperspace about 30 minutes later?
Would the Rebelion Ship go into hyperspace to the Alderaan system, and then the Death Star would approach Yavin 4 and sins there would be no-one to protect it, the Death Star would destroy the planet?


"Sins" the Rebels don't know that the Darth Star will attack Alderaan, how would they know to go there? And if they did know, it would take more than thirty minutes to travel to alderaan unless you were in a nearby system.

[huttslime]

It seems that alderaan lies close to the Hydian Way just like Yavin, but they are still to far apart to travel in thirty minutes.

[MandalorianJF]

It seems that alderaan lies close to the Hydian Way just like Yavin, but they are still to far apart to travel in thirty minutes.

No, no, I mean if it would leave Alderan system 30 minutes later that it did.

[huttslime]

I don't see how the story could change, it will just happen 30 minutes later. Please explain

[huttslime]

I got the question now:

there is one flaw in your little theory: how would the rebels know that the Death Star was at Alderaan?

[Cydon]

I'm officially confused.

Wraith 3, signing of for the night.

[thepepgal]

OK, sorry, let me rephrase that

IN THE MOVE
1st) Rebellion plan to destroy the Death Star (when it was in the Alderan system)
2nd) Death Star came out of hyperspace near Yavin
3rd) Rebel Ship took off and attacked the Death Star

WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPEND IF THE DEATH STAR LEFT ALDERAN SYSTEM 30 MINUTS LATER
1st)Rebellion plan to destroy the Death Star
2nd) Rebel Ship took off to go into hyperspace (to the Alderan system where Death Star was/is)
3rd) Death Star goes into hyperspace
4th) Rebel ship come out of hyperspace and Death Star is not there
5th) Death Star comes out of hyperspace in the Yavin system
6th) there is no one to protect the planet/destroy the Death Star and the Death Star destroys the planet.


They didn't know it would be at Alderaan as they decide that after Leia came aboard to head there.

Since they had to track the Falcon to know to head to Yavin then they wouldn't have headed there.

The rebels would never have received the plans if the falcon made it to Alderaan as they probably been destroyed since they would have been on the ground. So the Empire would still rule the universe.

[Cydon]

Exactly. Thanks thepepgal.

[thepepgal]

Exactly. Thanks thepepgal.

You're welcome Cydon.:leiaxmas:

[Konig15]

Speaking of this scenario, WHY take the planes directly to the rebel base? They could have kept it a lot safer that way.

On the other hand I can see Leia trying to lure the DS to Yavin and destroy it before any more planets could be destroyed. Is that hinted at in the EU stuff? Or am I grasping at straws?

[thepepgal]

Speaking of this scenario, WHY take the planes directly to the rebel base? They could have kept it a lot safer that way.

On the other hand I can see Leia trying to lure the DS to Yavin and destroy it before any more planets could be destroyed. Is that hinted at in the EU stuff? Or am I grasping at straws?

In the film Leia mentions it appeared to be too easy to get away so they must be being tracked.

They had to get the plans as quickly as possible to someone to analyse the plans for a weakness, so the co-ordinates for the Alliance base were put into the Falcon's nav computer. This is why they headed directly there.

They then knew the DS would probably be on its way there and this did also protected others planets.

[Tovor]

They didn't know it would be at Alderaan as they decide that after Leia came aboard to head there.

Since they had to track the Falcon to know to head to Yavin then they wouldn't have headed there.

The rebels would never have received the plans if the falcon made it to Alderaan as they probably been destroyed since they would have been on the ground. So the Empire would still rule the universe.
You have given me a concept for an alternate narrative. What if they had indeed made it to Alderaan with the plans, and Obi-Wan met with Bail and had R2 download the plans to Organa's computer.
-Bail asks Obi-Wan to deliver the plans to the rebel base as well, since he dare not transmit them, and was concerned about sending a ship to Yavin after the capture of Leia's ship.
-Han is not happy about making another dangerous trip ferrying imperial fugitives but Obi-Wan persuades him, though Han is still reluctant. The promise of additional payment upon reaching the base is the only thing that convinces him.
-Right after the Falcon jumps into hyperspace en route to Yavin, the Death Star reaches Alderaan and destroys it. Cue: "I sensed a million voices crying out in terror, and were suddenly silenced."
-The Falcon turns around to investigate and comes upon the fragments of Alderaan. Then chases the TIE toward the small moon, which Obi-Wan realized was the battle station Bail told him about. They get pulled in by tractor beam, into the belly of the beast.
-Obi-Wan stresses the importance of protecting R2 and escaping the station, lest the imperials realize they have in their presence the very carrier of the stolen plans they were searching for.
-As it stands, info about the rebellion, and the DS plans in R2's memory, had been revealed only to Obi-Wan by Bail, and perhaps to Luke, while Han and Chewie were as yet still in the dark.

Thoughts? Agreements or disagreements?

[thepepgal]

You have given me a concept for an alternate narrative. What if they had indeed made it to Alderaan with the plans, and Obi-Wan met with Bail and had R2 download the plans to Organa's computer.
-Bail asks Obi-Wan to deliver the plans to the rebel base as well, since he dare not transmit them, and was concerned about sending a ship to Yavin after the capture of Leia's ship.
-Han is not happy about making another dangerous trip ferrying imperial fugitives but Obi-Wan persuades him, though Han is still reluctant. The promise of additional payment upon reaching the base is the only thing that convinces him.
-Right after the Falcon jumps into hyperspace en route to Yavin, the Death Star reaches Alderaan and destroys it. Cue: "I sensed a million voices crying out in terror, and were suddenly silenced."
-The Falcon turns around to investigate and comes upon the fragments of Alderaan. Then chases the TIE toward the small moon, which Obi-Wan realized was the battle station Bail told him about. They get pulled in by tractor beam, into the belly of the beast.
-Obi-Wan stresses the importance of protecting R2 and escaping the station, lest the imperials realize they have in their presence the very carrier of the stolen plans they were searching for.
-As it stands, info about the rebellion, and the DS plans in R2's memory, had been revealed only to Obi-Wan by Bail, and perhaps to Luke, while Han and Chewie were as yet still in the dark.

Thoughts? Agreements or disagreements?

Thanks for being your inspiraton Tovor.

I disagree: If they were delivering the plans, then they probably wouldn't have turned back as having the plans at the rebel base would be the only way to destroy the DS.

But if they had ended up on the DS then the story would be back on track with the film as Obi Wan (being a Jedi Master) would have kept the secret, Han and Luke would have rescued Leia etc.

[DblDwn]

The real question is that how does the Death Star get to Yavin so quickly but then needs 30 minutes to clear the planet?

The argument was once made that why didn't the Death Star simply blow up the red planet in order to clear a path to destroy Yavin IV and the response was that the red planet was a gas planet. That said another question becomes why didn't they simply shoot through the gas planet and destroy Yavin IV in one blast?

Just a couple of other questions that could further this discussion.

[thepepgal]

The real question is that how does the Death Star get to Yavin so quickly but then needs 30 minutes to clear the planet?

The argument was once made that why didn't the Death Star simply blow up the red planet in order to clear a path to destroy Yavin IV and the response was that the red planet was a gas planet. That said another question becomes why didn't they simply shoot through the gas planet and destroy Yavin IV in one blast?

Just a couple of other questions that could further this discussion.

1st Question: Hyperspace travel is alot faster than subspace. The gravity pull of the gas giant Yavin would be greater on the DS and slow it down which is why the small fighter ships could get to attack it. They were a smaller mass.

2nd Question: Since Yavin is a gas planet, if you try exploding the gas it would have taken out the DS with it's explosion. Destroying the DS wouldn't have been in the Empire's plan since they spent so much building it.

[DblDwn]

Good answers.

[Master Magnus]

2nd Question: Since Yavin is a gas planet, if you try exploding the gas it would have taken out the DS with it's explosion. Destroying the DS wouldn't have been in the Empire's plan since they spent so much building it.
Also consider the gravitational binding of a gas planet, almost 193,000 km in diameters and with a mass 300 times that of a planet about the same size as the Earth (I'm going with EU figures here), is more than 10,000 times that of a planet similar to Earth, so it's possible that the Death Star was incapable of destroying such a planet. Then it's the matter of recharging the superlaser...

[MandalorianJF]

Also consider the gravitational binding of a gas planet, almost 193,000 km in diameters and with a mass 300 times that of a planet about the same size as the Earth (I'm going with EU figures here), is more than 10,000 times that of a planet similar to Earth, so it's possible that the Death Star was incapable of destroying such a planet. Then it's the matter of recharging the superlaser...

I'm going to have to agree with Master Magnus on this one.

[DblDwn]

Do they need to recharge the super laser? In ROTJ there is no way of knowing how much time has passed between Death Star blasts. Of course that is the second Death Star so little things, such as the need to recharge, may have been corrected that time around.

[Master Magnus]

Do they need to recharge the super laser? In ROTJ there is no way of knowing how much time has passed between Death Star blasts. Of course that is the second Death Star so little things, such as the need to recharge, may have been corrected that time around.
The second Death Star had capabilities the first one didn't have, such as faster recharge and the ability to target capital ships (firing low powered shots).

[DblDwn]

That makes sense based on what we are shown in the films.

[thepepgal]

Good answers.

Thanks DblDwn

[bluemilk]

plus I'm pretty sure that the point was they had to put the DS into orbit--gravity and all that.