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Fish1941
12-18-2006, 05:42 PM
EPISODE 4 – A NEW HOPE


Notes and Observations


The following is a list of minor notes and observations that came to me, during my recent viewing of “Episode IV: A New Hope”. I hope that you enjoy them:

*According to the movie’s opening scrawl, Leia possessed the Death Star plans that could “provide freedom to the galaxy”. Is that what happened at the end of the movie?

*Wow! R2-D2 really looks worn and old aboard the Organas’ ship, the Tantive IV. It is easy to imagine that he has been around for over three decades.

*Are the troops firing upon the stormtroopers, Alderaanian troops? If so, does that mean Leia had contradicted herself when she told Tarkin and Vader that Alderaan was a peaceful planet?

*When Vader made his entrance, the first thing that popped into my mind was Anakin leading the clone troopers to the Jedi Temple in ROTS.

*Father and daughter meet. At last.

*I hate to say this, but I have always found C3-P0 and R2’s adventures on Tatooine before meeting Luke to be slightly boring. Okay. I did find it boring.

*The technology inside the Jawa’s ship looked very outdated.

*It is interesting how Owen had to ask Threepio if he spoke Bocce for the moisture vaporators. Which tells me that he did not immediately know Threepio’s identity. But then, Threepio had not introduced himself.

*”But I was going into Toshi Station to pick up some power converters!” - Ah yes! The infamous Skywalker whining at work. I really don’t understand why many fans complained of Anakin’s whining in AOTC. Luke had to have inherited his whining from someone.

*C3-P0 finally introduces himself and R2-D2 when they are alone with Luke, inside the Lars’ garage.

*So, Threepio and Artoo were not personally in Leia’s service aboard the Tantive IV, as I had first imagined. I had forgotten that they had become the property of Captain Antilles.

*I did not realize that Luke knew where Obi-Wan “Ben” Kenobi lived.

*The moment Luke had mentioned R2 and 3P0 might belong to Obi-Wan, Owen ordered their memories to be wiped. Interesting.

*For some bizarre reason, I found myself seeing Padme comfort Luke and telling him not to grow up too fast.

*Artoo seemed to have set a lot in motion. Leia hid the Death Star plans in his system. Artoo was the one who set out to find Obi-Wan, bringing about the old Jedi Master and the future Jedi Master’s first meeting. And because Luke was forced to search for R2, he managed to avoid Owen and Beru’s fate.

*I also noticed that Vader did not bother to join the search for R2 and 3P0 on Tatooine.

*It is a good thing that those Tusken Raiders did not know that Luke was the son of the Jedi who had wiped out a tribe of their kind.

*Did Obi-Wan immediately recognize the two droids?

*”He was the best star-pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior.” – It is nice to know that’s how Obi-Wan remembered Anakin. But then these next words, as he handed over Anakin s lightsaber to Luke rather spoiled the moment – “I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it.” - especially in light of how Obi-Wan really managed to acquire the lightsaber. Obi-Wan’s description of how Vader had “murdered” Anakin spoiled the moment even further.

*If the Emperor had dissolved the Imperial Senate as stated by Tarkin in the movie, then it is obvious that Lucas had abandoned the earlier idea of Palpatine being a pawn or puppet of other politicians, as indicated in the 1976 edition of The Journal of the Whills.

*”Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” – Was this an example of Vader’s past Jedi training coming to the fore? Or was this an example of his Sith background? Or his 30 odd years as a Force user?

*Some people have stated that Luke’s upbringing had prepared him to face Owen and Beru’s deaths a lot better than Anakin had dealt with Shmi’s death. But considering Luke’s reaction to Obi-Wan’s death, along with Han and Leia’s endangerment in both ESB and ROTJ, I would say that Luke did not feel as emotionally close to the Lars as he did to the other three.

*”Mos Eisley Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.” – Famous words to live by. I wonder if Obi-Wan had ever visited Mos Espa.

*I love how the special effects recently added to the film, has enhanced the details of Mos Eisley during Luke and Obi-Wan’s arrival.

*I was surprised to notice the small number of human customers and inhabitants inside the cantina in Mos Eisley.

*For one crazy moment, Sir Alec Guiness sounded like Ewan McGregor in the scene where Obi-Wan and Luke meet Han Solo for the first time.

*”That’s okay. I’m never coming back to this planet, again.” – Careful Luke. Never make promises that one cannot keep.

*Does anyone know the name of the creature that followed Luke and Obi-Wan to the Millennium Falcon’s hangar?

*I had no idea that Boba Fett had been working for Jabba the Hutt before the incidents of ESB.

*I don’t think that even the massacre at the Jedi Temple in ROTS could ever exceed the horror of Alderaan’s destruction. Tarkin made Vader look like an amateur.

*Did I detect a slight British accent coming out of Carrie Fisher’s mouth?

*While watching Obi-Wan begin Luke’s training in the Jedi skills, I realized that this is the first time I’ve seen a 19 year-old Jedi youngling.

*”That’s good. You’ve taken your first step into a larger world.” – A rather apt description of one’s introduction into the Force.

*”I sense something. A presence I have not felt since . . .” – I find it odd that Vader was able to sense Obi-Wan, yet Obi-Wan did not sense Vader until the latter nearly found him?

*”Bring em’ on! I prefer a straight fight to all of this sneaking around!” – I found Han’s comment rather odd, considering that he was a smuggler.

*”Better her than me!” – I found Han’s refusal to save Leia rather cold, considering that she would end up being his future love.

*Leia was imprisoned in cell block 1138. Hmmm . . . do you suppose that Robert Duvall is with her?

*Han gave the worst impression of an Imperial trooper I have ever seen. Classic moment.

*”Hi! I’m Luke Skywalker. I’m here to rescue you.” – Brother and sister meet for the first time since their births.

*”Will someone please get this big, walking carpet out of my way?” – Ah! Leia is still Daddy’s girl.

*Watching Luke and Leia swing to safety reminded me of Anakin and Padme’s failure to do the same in AOTC.

*Anakin (Vader) vs. Obi-Wan: Part II – in retrospect, is not as exciting or thrilling as their first duel on Mustafar.

*Vader’s dialogue seemed rather wooden during his duel with Obi-Wan.

*”Not this ship, sister.”/”It is for me, sister.” – Without a doubt, these are the two worst lines ever uttered in a STAR WARS movie. And both lines had been spoken by Harrison Ford.

*For a guy that had been traumatized by Obi-Wan’s death, Luke seemed to have recovered from his grief rather fast. Even to the point that he ended up contemplating a romance with Leia before the Falcon could reach Yavin IV.

*Despite the Battle of Yavin sequence, the movie never recaptured or continued its drive, following the Falcon’s escape from the Death Star.

*Why did Han and Chewbacca attend the pilot’s briefing on their mission to destroy the Death Star? Especially since the two never had plans to hang around any longer or join the Rebel Alliance.

*Typical of Vader/Anakin in that he had decided to join the Imperial fighters in the battle, instead of remaining with the generals.

*What do you know? Uncle Dennis . . . oop! I mean, Wedge to the rescue!

*It seemed as if Lucas had incorporated nearly every World War II aviator cliché into the Battle of Yavin sequence.

*Someone in my family had pointed out that the Rebels never really had any kind of strategy to destroy the Death Star. Instead, the Alliance military leaders merely had an objective and a method to destroy the station.

*When Obi-Wan had urged Luke to use the Force, had he foreseen that Vader would sense it?

*When I first saw ANH, I had wondered why Vader did not die in the end. From a 29 year perspective, I know understand why.

*The medal ceremony featured a good number of pilots in the audience. So, where had they been during the Battle of Yavin?

*Someone had described the medal ceremony near the end of the film as a pyhrric victory for the Rebel Alliance. When one contemplates on what laid ahead for Luke, Leia, Han and the others . . . that person may have been right.

*I would describe ANH as the most fun of all the STAR WARS movies. A straight out adventure flick with heroes, villains, damsels and wizards. Which would explain why many fans consider it to be the best of the saga. However . . . as much fun ANH was, it harbored very few meaningful metaphors and complexities in compare to the five other films that followed. It’s a lot of fun, but somewhat a little shallow to me.

Mothman
12-18-2006, 07:23 PM
EPISODE 4 – A NEW HOPE


*Father and daughter meet. At last.





Very nice observations, Fish1941! Good job!!


However, I'm not sure from the dialog that this is necessarily the first time that father and daughter meet. They both seem to be rather familiar with who the other person is.


Happy Life Day! :santa:

Fish1941
12-18-2006, 07:57 PM
Very nice observations, Fish1941! Good job!!


However, I'm not sure from the dialog that this is necessarily the first time that father and daughter meet. They both seem to be rather familiar with who the other person is.


Happy Life Day! :santa:


It's the first time the fans see them together on screen.:xmas:

James
12-19-2006, 12:05 AM
You're not alone in finding R2 and 3PO's adventures on Tatooine to be boring. They rival the scenes of Anakin and Padme on Naboo for the title of most boring moments of SW.

Emalin
12-19-2006, 01:26 AM
:but: Aww, James, don't be too hard on the poor droids. Well...C-3PO, at least. Butlers can't help but be boring, especially when juxtaposed to boring environs and a 15-minute plot gap that needs filling.

*Anakin (Vader) vs. Obi-Wan: Part II – in retrospect, is not as exciting or thrilling as their first duel on Mustafar.


Maybe Yoda should have taught Obi-Wan that hop-skip-&-bound trick he pulled on Dooku and Palps. That would have spiced things up a bit!

:duel:

Wow! Look at Obi go!
Is it sugar? Is it espresso?
No! It's -- FORCE CAPER!!!!!!

:chortle:
(Sorry, folks, I'm hyper. And yes, it's sugar.)

Mothman
12-19-2006, 03:45 PM
You're not alone in finding R2 and 3PO's adventures on Tatooine to be boring.....

But they are very similar to the 2 peasants in the opening portion of Kurasawa's "The Hidden Fortress," from which GL stole most of the story.

:santa:

Cat of Science
12-20-2006, 10:56 AM
конецформыначалоформыSome observations are nice, some I consider wrong, and some are odd and so are slightly boring.

*According to the movie’s opening scrawl, Leia possessed the Death Star plans that could “provide freedom to the galaxy”. Is that what happened at the end of the movie?At the end of the movie happened significant and necessary step to that.

*Are the troops firing upon the stormtroopers, Alderaanian troops? If so, does that mean Leia had contradicted herself when she told Tarkin and Vader that Alderaan was a peaceful planet?Is there really any country without troops, without army, without police? I think no. Following your logic we then understand there is no peaceful countries anywhere?

*Father and daughter meet. At last.Not at last, but just again, as Mothman noticed yet.

*I hate to say this, but I have always found C3-P0 and R2’s adventures on Tatooine before meeting Luke to be slightly boring. Okay. I did find it boring.But I do not. It is an essential piece of the realistic story.

Though at childhood I could also consider this boring. That time I thought any movie must be with a lot of actions, if there is a 5-10 minutes length piece of movie without fights, shots, laughable moments, without any bright actions, than I could say the producer is a fool and to watch such a movie is a waste of time. Perhaps Fish1941 and James also prefer such lot-of-actions movies. That's not bad. But a realistic story usually inevitably include some pieces without super-actions.

*The technology inside the Jawa’s ship looked very outdated.Is it a technology of it's cargo hold only :)

*It is a good thing that those Tusken Raiders did not know that Luke was the son of the Jedi who had wiped out a tribe of their kind.In AOTC Lars said that sand peoples are like animals. So I think their mind is too poor even to understand such complicated things like about events in other place in other time. They can understand only things that they see here and now, but not anywhere else. 'It is a good thing that this fly did not know that this man was the son of that man who had wiped out some of their kind via flycatcher a few years ago'. Sand peoples can't understand this fact similar like a fly can't understand such story.

*”He was the best star-pilot in the galaxy, and a cunning warrior.” – It is nice to know that’s how Obi-Wan remembered Anakin. But then these next words, as he handed over Anakin s lightsaber to Luke rather spoiled the moment – “I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it.” - especially in light of how Obi-Wan really managed to acquire the lightsaber. Obi-Wan’s description of how Vader had “murdered” Anakin spoiled the moment even further.Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough - that's true, Anakin wanted his child to become a Jedi too. There was a conflict in Anakin/Vader. The Emperor couldn't override Anakin by Vader fully. A small part of Anakin was still alive in Vader. That part of Anakin permanently had fight against Vader to get control of his body. Anakin delayed Vader to begin fight against Obi-Wan on Mustafar immediately in ROTS. And when Vader made his final jump in that fight, Anakin made a little disturbance to that jump path to allow Obi-Wan made the final strike and get Vader's lightsaber.

*”Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” – Was this an example of Vader’s past Jedi training coming to the fore? Or was this an example of his Sith background? Or his 30 odd years as a Force user?Great power of the force is a part of the nature of the universe. Either Jedi and Sith know this.

*”Mos Eisley Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.” – Famous words to live by. I wonder if Obi-Wan had ever visited Mos Espa.If Obi-Wan had never visited Mos Espa, he could use the force to foresee what Mos Espa is.

*”That’s okay. I’m never coming back to this planet, again.” – Careful Luke. Never make promises that one cannot keep.It wasn't a significant promise, but just a notice that this place ceased to be his home, so he don't need to keep his properties here.

*I don’t think that even the massacre at the Jedi Temple in ROTS could ever exceed the horror of Alderaan’s destruction. Tarkin made Vader look like an amateur.No, Tarkin also is an amateur. Perhaps that soldier who pulled the knob on the Death Star's control panel made Vader and Tarkin look like an amateurs?

*While watching Obi-Wan begin Luke’s training in the Jedi skills, I realized that this is the first time I’ve seen a 19 year-old Jedi youngling.Training in the Jedi skills must start from 0-2 or 19+ year-old.

If start from 0-2 year-old than the skill to feel and control the force becomes an essential part of youngling's life, like other common human's skills, including the skill to walk and the skill to speak. Than he will usually use it properly only.

If start from 19+ year-old than the skill to feel and control the force is something new, but such youngling is old enough to understand that this skill must be used properly only, and that inappropriate use of this skill could be very dangerous.

If start from 5-10 year-old than the skill to feel and control the force is an interesting new game for the child. A child can't understand that inappropriate use of this skill could be very dangerous, and could ignore warnings from his master. This is like allow a child to handle a real weapon or drive a real car instead of child's plays. That is what had happened with Anakin.

*”I sense something. A presence I have not felt since . . .” – I find it odd that Vader was able to sense Obi-Wan, yet Obi-Wan did not sense Vader until the latter nearly found him?This sensation is minor until the distance is big enough. That time Obi-Wan was too busy with a lot of other problems to take into account minor sensations.

*”Better her than me!” – I found Han’s refusal to save Leia rather cold, considering that she would end up being his future love.That time the only thing that Han knew about Leia was that she is a princess. There are a lot of various princesses in the galaxy,some of them are good, some are bad, not all of them are deserving of any efforts and help. Obi-Wan and Luke hired Han as a pilot, not as a mercenary warrior. So, before Luke's explanations, Han had no any reason to risk his life to save Leia.

*Why did Han and Chewbacca attend the pilot’s briefing on their mission to destroy the Death Star? Especially since the two never had plans to hang around any longer or join the Rebel Alliance.They began to understand that Empire and Death Star are too bad things, and that Death Star can get their ship into tractor beam again sometime in the future, or can destroy another planet including those planets where they are landing. One more reason, after they leave the Death Star Han said to Luke, 'she is a spirit'. This means Han began to fall in love with Leia yet. But he considered it will be unrequited love, perhaps so he first tried to outrun from that love. But the power of the love 'tractor beam' sometimes override any other reflections and intentions :)

*When I first saw ANH, I had wondered why Vader did not die in the end. From a 29 year perspective, I know understand why.It is just real that usually not all troops die in the battle, but at least few survive. Vader appears to be among them. Star Wars is a realistic story, not a primitive thriller with absolutely happy end and with absolute destruction of all bad mens.

*The medal ceremony featured a good number of pilots in the audience. So, where had they been during the Battle of Yavin?A number of them are an infantry, not pilots. Or there was no enough number of fight ships to all they be able take part in the space battle.

Cydon
12-25-2006, 08:19 PM
Originally Posted by Fish1941 http://www.galacticsenate.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.galacticsenate.com/showthread.php?p=808438#post808438)
*The medal ceremony featured a good number of pilots in the audience. So, where had they been during the Battle of Yavin?


Never thought of that...

electric
12-26-2006, 09:49 PM
Speaking of A new hope, there are a couple of things about Leia that have sparked my curiosity.

On the Tantive IV in the beginning of the movie, 3PO says "There'll be no escape for the princess this time," meaning he not only knew who Leia was, but he was also familiar with her since he said "this time."

Yet on Tatooine, when Luke asks 3PO who the woman in the message is, 3PO answers "I'm afraid I'm not quite sure, sir. I think she was a passenger on our last voyage. A person of some importance, I believe."

A bit later, it is not really said whether or not Obi-Wan knew who she was. The only thing he says after viewing the message is, "I need your help, Luke. She needs your help."

Yet, on the Death Star, when 3PO says that R2 is saying "she's here," and Luke asks who is "she," 3PO answers "Princess Leia." Luke somehow knows exactly who "Princess Leia" is even if her name is not mentionned to him in the movie before.

My personal interpretation is that Obi-Wan probably understood who Leia was even if she didn't mention her name in the mesage, and told Luke about her sometime during the trip on the Falcon. About 3PO's amnesia, I'm not really sure... maybe someone has a good theory?

Cydon
12-27-2006, 12:16 AM
On the Tantive IV in the beginning of the movie, 3PO says "There'll be no escape for the princess this time," meaning he not only knew who Leia was, but he was also familiar with her since he said "this time."

Yet on Tatooine, when Luke asks 3PO who the woman in the message is, 3PO answers "I'm afraid I'm not quite sure, sir. I think she was a passenger on our last voyage. A person of some importance, I believe."



:lol: LOL!

Emalin
12-27-2006, 12:39 AM
On the Tantive IV in the beginning of the movie, 3PO says "There'll be no escape for the princess this time," meaning he not only knew who Leia was, but he was also familiar with her since he said "this time."

Yet on Tatooine, when Luke asks 3PO who the woman in the message is, 3PO answers "I'm afraid I'm not quite sure, sir. I think she was a passenger on our last voyage. A person of some importance, I believe."

...About 3PO's amnesia, I'm not really sure... maybe someone has a good theory?

Hmmm. Interesting catch. Is C-3PO the kind of droid who would lie to protect Leia? (He doesn't know Luke at that point, after all.)

Jedi Master Harrison
12-27-2006, 04:26 PM
Presumably, C3P0 knew that Princess Leia was on the Tantive IV, but had never found out who she was and therefore what she looked like. It was likely that there would have been more than one important woman on the ship. 3PO did not seem to be what you would call an 'accurate' droid, he was more of a talker. 3PO probably also found out who she was either on the Falcon or in Kenobi's home.

I am going to be watching it again soon so I will try and come up with a proper answer, if there is one!

Jedi Master Harrison
12-28-2006, 07:19 AM
Apparently what I wrote above is not correct. However, I do not know what the 'correct' answer is. Someone obviously does, as they gave me negative rep points for my answer, but unfortunately they did not bother to share their wisdom with us, as they did not make a post on the thread. Gee thanks, what is the answer then?!

Cydon
12-29-2006, 04:43 PM
Perhaps the scriptwriters were just...drunk at the time????

Cydon
12-29-2006, 04:47 PM
A opinion from posters at: http://www.nitpickers.com/movies/nitpick.cgi?np=1272

Maybe he knew the princess was on board but didn't know who she was? Then he saw the holo of a person he had seen around the ship but once again did not know that SHE was the princess?

Just because he knew the princess was on board does not mean C3PO knew who she was. The bartender's line in the cantina scene shows that droids are thought of as second class citzens. The princess is someone high up in the rebellion. If Vader were not part of the invading crew who's to say she couldnt have hid amongst the ships compliment? Hard to do if a computer has your face, name and rank listed in his gold plated database. Everything points to the idea that no one would bother informing mere droids of anything terribly important on board the ship.

I will tell you why C-3PO does not remember the princess when she appears in the hologram! You probably remember that the princess is on a secret mission, transporting the death star plans and all. C-3PO was likely instructed by the princess to not give away any information reguarding the mission to ANYONE, not even Luke who at the time, C-3PO did not exactly fully trust since they had just met. C-3PO probaly could not trust Luke until when they went to rescue the princess. For all C-3PO knew, Luke could have been an imperial in disguise! TO make a long story short, C-3PO PRETENDED not to know who the princess was in the hologram for security reasons!

if you had read lucas's not-so-well written book of the movie, you would KNOW that c3po was lying about his previous association with leia.

This comment is directed at the last two comments on this nitpick: If C3PO is capable of lying, why did he refuse to help Luke & Company in "Revenge of the Jedi" when the Ewoks had them as prisoners and were going to eat them? He flatly refuses to help and tells Luke "It's against my programming to impersonate a diety." He sure picked a funny time to suddenly find total honesty.

C-3PO knew that there was a Princess on board but obviously did not know who from the ship's complement the Pricess was. Later 3PO says "I think she was a passenger on our last voyage..." C-3PO had seen Leia as she installed the secret plans into the memory systems of R2, and when he later saw the hologram, he must have remembered having seen her aboard the Tantive IV.

Impersonating a diety is one thing. But C3PO has indeed lied often before. He lied to Jabba and the gang, hiding the true motives of the mission to rescue Solo. He lied to Imperial Stormtroopers aboard the first Death Star. He practiced deception with the Imperials on the Endor moon.

Emalin
12-29-2006, 05:18 PM
^ AHA! I knew it!! :lol:

Yes, that makes loads of sense. Thanks for looking this up, Cyde.

Cydon
12-29-2006, 05:21 PM
Your welcome. It just had to be done.

silverbolt
01-03-2007, 02:44 AM
EPISODE 4 – A NEW HOPE


*It is interesting how Owen had to ask Threepio if he spoke Bocce for the moisture vaporators. Which tells me that he did not immediately know Threepio’s identity. But then, Threepio had not introduced himself.


*”Better her than me!” – I found Han’s refusal to save Leia rather cold, considering that she would end up being his future love.



Protocol droids and R2 look very similar, the other protcol droid Squeaky (or was it Emetery i cant remember) is the same as threepio only silver.

Han is not supposed to be this nicey nicey guy, hes a smuggler who becomes a hero. Why Lucas changed his chrachter in the remastering making Greedo shoot first is i think reflective of the times

Perdogg
01-03-2007, 08:07 PM
"*Father and daughter meet. At last"

Why didn't Vader sense Leia was his daughter??

silverbolt
01-04-2007, 01:56 AM
"*Father and daughter meet. At last"

Why didn't Vader sense Leia was his daughter??


he didnt know that luke was his son at Yavin it wasnt till ESB he knew of his son

James
01-04-2007, 02:41 AM
I created a thread about why Vader didn't sense Leia was his daughter you can find it here.

http://www.galacticsenate.com/showthread.php?t=22

Perdogg
01-04-2007, 07:03 PM
He told the Emperor in ESB that he had felt a disturbance in the force, the disturbance being the Luke Skywalker. He told Grand Moff Tarkin that he had detected Obi-wan Kenobi.

Fish1941
01-10-2007, 01:42 PM
he didnt know that luke was his son at Yavin it wasnt till ESB he knew of his son

Vader didn't sense the Force within Luke, until the latter utilized it to destroy the Death Star, during the battle over Yavin. Sometime between ANH and TESB, Vader learned of Luke's identity and realized that he had a son. He kept this knowledge to himself and initiated a search for Luke. Sometime around TESB or before, Palpatine learned of Luke's identity. When he revealed this to Vader, the latter pretended that the news was new to him.

silverbolt
01-10-2007, 03:40 PM
Vader didn't sense the Force within Luke, until the latter utilized it to destroy the Death Star, during the battle over Yavin. Sometime between ANH and TESB, Vader learned of Luke's identity and realized that he had a son. He kept this knowledge to himself and initiated a search for Luke. Sometime around TESB or before, Palpatine learned of Luke's identity. When he revealed this to Vader, the latter pretended that the news was new to him.

where do you know this from? In ANH Vader had no idea that Luke was his son. In ESB he reveals to Luke that he is his father. In ROTJ the emperor knows of Vader's son being Luke.
Where did you find out that Vader kept it from his master concerning Luke. Im not disputing you, im just curious

Cydon
01-16-2007, 03:05 AM
As am I...

electric
01-18-2007, 12:31 AM
Vader didn't sense the Force within Luke, until the latter utilized it to destroy the Death Star, during the battle over Yavin. Sometime between ANH and TESB, Vader learned of Luke's identity and realized that he had a son. He kept this knowledge to himself and initiated a search for Luke. Sometime around TESB or before, Palpatine learned of Luke's identity. When he revealed this to Vader, the latter pretended that the news was new to him.

I don't know if he really "pretended" with Palpy...

When he says "how is that possible?", I think that's a common sentence in cases like this, he's really asking a question. My interpretation is that he had a "knowledge" that Luke was his son, but there was still something that sounded wrong... "how" could Luke be his son? I think he was still somewhat confused over it, thus the "how is that possible" line.

Darth Obsidion
01-24-2007, 09:37 AM
It is the best star wars movie out no doubt about it!

Mothman
01-24-2007, 02:33 PM
It is the best star wars movie out no doubt about it!

Roger that!!


:bye:

Fish1941
01-26-2007, 01:10 PM
Roger that!!


:bye:


It's a matter of opinion, don't you think?



where do you know this from? In ANH Vader had no idea that Luke was his son.

I never said that Vader knew that Luke was his son. This is what I had said:

Sometime between ANH and TESB, Vader learned of Luke's identity and realized that he had a son.


My interpretation is that he had a "knowledge" that Luke was his son, but there was still something that sounded wrong... "how" could Luke be his son? I think he was still somewhat confused over it, thus the "how is that possible" line.


Or maybe Vader had pretended that he was confused about the revelation. Sometime after the Battle of Yavin, Vader found himself on Centares, where a Rebel pilot he had tortured gave him the name of the pilot who had destroyed the Death Star – Luke Skywalker. This revelation was confirmed by another Rebel at a refueling station.

Cydon
01-29-2007, 10:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mothman http://www.galacticsenate.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.galacticsenate.com/showthread.php?p=821738#post821738)
Roger that!!


:bye:


It's a matter of opinion, don't you think?



Ahem! A certain point of view. :wink: