THE NEW GUY!

[Powerful Jedi]

I've heard a lot about the appearance of a new bad guy in episode 3! *Many people have said that they do not believe it to be another Sith! *I disagree! *Maybe this new bad guy could be the apprentice of Count Dooku. *In the events of episode 3, both Dooku and the new bad guy could be killed (Not necessarily at the same time), in a great sabre battle involving loads of Jedi! *This calls upon the need of a new apprentice for Sidious, in which his choice is to complete the training of Anakin.

This new bad guy could be like a mixture of Dooku and Darth Maul (Maybe even the same race as Darth maul). *Instead of fighting with a double lightsabre, he could fight with two separate ones. *This could be a chance to show he is greatly skilled in combat, even better than Dooku and Darth Maul!

Also to show the new bad guy's combat skills, there could be a battle towards the end of the film, where he (or even she) could be fighting more than the usual "two jedi at once" situation. *Maybe make it a three on one situation! *Possibly involving Mace Windu, Plo Koon and Eeth Koth! *I think that would be really cool! *It could be here that Mace is killed (Obviously after the other two have been hacked up first!)

Obviously the battle could not top the "Obi-Wan vs Anakin" battle. *It would have to be toned down a bit, but I'm sure there would be some great adrenaline rushes for all the fans!

[Nathan Butler]

Well, interestingly enough, the old storyline tidbits that were mentioned regarding a Sequel Trilogy back in the early-to-mid 1980s suggested that the villain in that storyline would be a character "frozen at the end of Episode III."

Seems to me that the villains (minus Dooku) are already accounted for . . . so perhaps that'd be the new villain the old Sequel comments referred to.

[Sable]

How many villians do we really need? Palpatine will end up being the main villian when he pronounces himself Emperor, so I imagine the focus of evil will be on him in Ep. 3. The other focal point, of course, will be Anakin's complete fall to the Dark Side. To introduce yet another big villian would make the movie too choppy, as there would be too many plot lines to work into a two-hour time frame. I'm sure Palpatine will have some lackey to do his bidding, but I doubt there will be nearly as much emphasis on that person as there will be on Palpy and Anakin.

[jedijake]

If Dooku somehow survives in Episode III and Padme is also alive, it may set forth a plotline for Episodes 7, 8, and 9.

While Lucas seemed to officially say that HE will not make an episode 7, 8, or 9, it may open the door for someone else to make them.

How interesting would it be if Mark Hamil becomes a film maker and decides to make them.

[heroin5]

Interesting, but there can only be two Sith lords at any point in time, a master and an apprentice. Throughout, Sidious is the master, with various apprentices: Maul, Tyrannus/Dooku, Vader. This is why the Emperor tells Luke to strike Vader down--so Luke can take Vader's place. Thus, Dooku must die before Anakin can take his place and Dooku cannot have his own Sith lord apprentice. What I wonder is, who will kill Dooku (I'm glad Yoda didn't kill him)?

[Darth Whaler]

This is just a "what if" but what if there COULD be more than two sith at a time. Who made that rule? Palpatine isn't exactly the most "by the book" type of guy. He's the type that will do what it takes to get the job done, period. I don't think he would feel it was absolutely essential to have only one apprentice just because some unwritten rule established over a thousand years ago said so.

I just think it's possible, granted unlikely, that there will be a new villain introduced. Dooku could have an apprentice with the idea that he will soon overthrow Sidious. However, I agree with Sable's post of how many villains do we need? Lucas has LOTS of ends to tie up in Episode III. Adding another major villain character might complicate things.

[Justin]

Hey Powerful Jedi, why don't you write Episode III, since you know exactly how it should go? lol

[XanderXine]

There will be a new adversary to the Jedi in the next Episode...

http://www.jmnw02993.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/xan2.JPG


:wink:

[zpickles7]

I'd like to see Darth Bane fit in there somehow.
Perhaps a new hero could kill him.

[zpickles7]

Here is how Bane could fit.
during a big fight with obi-wan,padme,mace windu,and yoda
against vader,palpatine,and 12 sith council members.when
suddenly bane appears.he laughs at them all and tells them how foolish they are.he ignites his double edged lightsaber.YODA and the others except for palpatine gasp in horror and amazement.
then a mysterious figure in a black cloak steps into view.
he throws his black cloak to the ground revealing a black tunic
with a lightsaber attached to his utility belt.he ignites his light saber.it glows red.they begin their fighting."lets finish this,gav," bane says. eveyone
stops their fighting to watch the spectacle.their speed and grace was 10 times greater than yoda's.during the fight bane says,give in you know you're a sith."
"no,i'll never join your ranks!"yells the mysterious man named gav.
''Then you're a jedi?''
"NO,they have betrayed me."
"You of all people should understand betrayl."
they fought until finally gav killed bane.



JUST INCASE YOU WANTED TO KNOW HERE IS A BACK STORY ON GAV.5,ooo years before the birth of luke skywalker
a young jedi padawan Gav Dauragon fought in the sith wars.
he was captured by naga shadow.shadow but a curse on him so that he could never age.he managed to escape shadow.
his master could sense something wrong so he had a medical droid check it out.sith blood was found in his body.
his mater refused to teach him because of that.the supreme chancelor ordered him to be cast into a sea.so they did.bane found him and trained him in the sith ways.gav was betrayed
by bane because gav was becoming stronger than him.
he left gav for dead.
gav got really pissed of so he swore alligence to no faction.

[NelsonCoressel]

I've heard a lot about the appearance of a new bad guy in episode 3!

Yes... I heard his name is DARTH VADER.

[DanielSkywalker]

Ha Ha. You know what? You're probably right, Nelson. The answer is just too obvious isn't it?

[XanderXine]

I just love the fan speculation! its completely nuts!! and I love it! :D

[Polunis]

LOL You know one thing I find amusing about discussions concerning the Sith? Simply this: people base their knowledge of the Sith (largely) on the testimony of a Jedi Master who never encountered a Sith until he confronted Tyranus in AOTC. I agree that there is more than meets the eye with the Sith; we will undoubtedly find out that the story is far more complex than we originally anticipated.

[WayoftheGungon]

Rick (the producer) said that Boba will be back in Episode III. I believe it is at the official site. Since the next one takes place 3 years later I bet they are casting someone new to play Boba. He would only be 16, so that would be borderline silly, but remember he could get clone growth if he goes back to Kamino. And I also bet he comes back to take out Mace and eye for an eye, or in this case a head for a head ( cue fozzi the bear laugh here).

[Darth_Cyberius]

Well, Padawans, I can say that after reading some of this speculation, it all seems a little bit too wild or off the deep end with theories only based on Extended Universe material from books, I mean a "Sith Council"? In the two newest
EPs Sidious only has one apprentice, why would he suddenly have a roomful of Sith Lords? They aren't around in ANH, so that means that Anakin has to become Vader, kill all the Jedi and the new Sith coucil? If there is a new bad guy, it will probably be a Republic Military commander like a Commander Tarkin played possibly by Gabriel Burn.

[Count Dooku]

I'd like to see a new Sith lord in Ep3. It would be cool if it looked like he had a doublebladed lightsaber then suddenly they separate. I got this Xbox Magazine and I was wandering who this one guy was he had a red lightsaber and half face the lower part of his chin was masked with a metal template could he be the villian or apart of the SW:Galaxy game? It'd be cool, cause he does look awesome with a half face, and he looks totally evil. I hope GL thinks about it!

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I agree with Cyberius.

I don't think there should be anymore Sith Lords. It would take away too much attention to the main villians; I would want the new villian to be Tarkin.

[JediBendu]

Tarkin's an obvious choice for a villian but Gabrial Burn?
he just doesn't have that cold steel presence as Peter Cushing.
Wouldn't have a clue who else though style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

When Rick McCallum said, "a new bad guy", I don't think he necessarily meant a new character. Maybe just a character reintroduced. Like Tarkin, or a new bounty hunter; maybe Aurra Sing. You never know.

[JediBendu]

nah
a new bounty hunter would suck
hey maybe Rick McCallum could play Tarkin :D

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Now Robin Gurland really has her work cut out for her; finding a young Peter Cushing is not going to be easy.

[JediBendu]

ya
she's got her work cut out
I'm trying to think of an established Australian actor who could do it. It'll probably have to be an unknown.
He might go back to England.
sorry guys - he won't be American

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Oh don't worry, Bendu. I wouldn't want an American Tarkin. And I like English actors. I really like their accents, it adds to the drama, and somehow, helps their acting just a tad.

[JediBendu]

there is Guy Pierce
he may be just a little to homely but he did play a villian in Count of Monticristo, and he's just done a Aust. gangster flick The Hard Word.
He's got piercing blue eyes and is wirey thin to the max.
too much of tan though ;)

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

Nah, I wouldn't go for Pierce. He doesn't look too much like Cushing. And he can get annoying at times.

[JediBendu]

ya
he does at that
I'm thinking it'll have to be English anyway

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I'd want the young Tarkin to be an unknown. Notice you get more of a feel of the character when you don't know too much about the celebrity behind them. Good night.

It's 10pm over here.

[JediBendu]

the irony being that Peter Cushing and Alec Guiness were the only known actors in the original SW

[Jedi Master Gandalf]

I think Gurland may be able to pull it off. She found a young Alec Guinness, didn't she? Maybe she'll do the same for Tarkin.

[Darth Barrister]

"bump"

This thread seems to be on topic for a lot of the new information coming down from Hyperspace.


It just goes to show how we do have insight, some of the time.

[DblDwn]

Nice call DB style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Vegas]

I second that.

And I find this bit that Nathan Butler posted to be very interesting...

Originally posted by NathanButlerSWT@May 11 2002, 09:39 PM
Well, interestingly enough, the old storyline tidbits that were mentioned regarding a Sequel Trilogy back in the early-to-mid 1980s suggested that the villain in that storyline would be a character "frozen at the end of Episode III."

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif Sounds like Durge.

[DblDwn]

Very interesting indeed

[Phil Tinajero]

The new baddie could be an apprentice of Dooku, but that would somewhat violate the Two Sith rule. Maybe since Dooku might perish somewhere near the beginning, then it would open the door for a new Sith to step in. So in Episode 3, Palpatine switches between three apprentices. That's gonna look bad on his resume as Sith Lord. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[goodwije]

Someone asked earlier who wrote the rule "there can be only two, master and apprentice" well.. GL did, i dont think he would mess up the continuity of his own movies, well he would he has done it before, but that was a major scene with Yoda and Mace.

Very unlikely they are talking of another Sith Lord, unless rick is trying to be sly and refer to Vader, that will come after Dooku (sp?) dies though.

I have only read one theory i found believable, and that is an assasin killing off Jedi and Senators. I think Ari and T came up with that one.

I think Tarkin will have a fairly minor role, just enough to introduce him to the audience, just a guess though.

Boba Fett was not aged like the other clones. I think this is important because instead of being a mindless soldier he has time to grow up normally (as normal as an orphaned clone of a bounty hunter can) which gives him time to develop a personality, faults, and a desire for revenge.

[goodwije]

O.K. i know its EU. But it is TV and many, many people will see it. So GL has to be involved right? Maybe? I don't know but its a possability.

Asajj Ventress from SW:Clone Wars episode 7 see http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=961826

[Darth Vegas]

Assaj Ventress and Durge may have been introduced in the EU, but they were both designed by the Episode 2 concept art team, in fact Assaj Ventress was going to be the new Sith Apprentice in Episode 2.

[Gazelle]

I'm sure the new bad guy in Episode III will be in the mould of the "Jango Fett" role. I am sure he will be the new Separatist super villain, servant of Dooku and the Trade Federation, just as Jango was in Episode II.

There just isn't "room" for him to be another Sith IMO.

[Phil Tinajero]

There just isn't "room" for him to be another Sith IMO.
I agree. We've introduced the characters, and now it's time to let them interact with each other. Introducing another villian may be a little distracting. Episode 3 needs to direct all attention to the drama of the fall of the Republic and Anakin. Plus, we've already got Dooku and Sidious/Palpy, one more villian would be kind of excess.

[Darth Vegas]

Another Sith would be, there's no chance of that happening, not enough time, but there is a new bad guy, if that bad guy happens to use the Dark Side of the Force so be it, doesn't mean he/she is a Sith.

[Gazelle]

I'm with TF.N on this one - I reckon he will be some kind of cyborg leader among the Separatists.

[JediBendu]

Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 4 2003, 06:09 AM
Another Sith would be, there's no chance of that happening, not enough time, but there is a new bad guy, if that bad guy happens to use the Dark Side of the Force so be it, doesn't mean he/she is a Sith.
could also be the Jedi traitor *cough* Ki-Adi-Mundi *cough*

[Darth Vegas]

Nah, we know thanks to Hyperspace that the new bad guy is partially robotic or at least wears a helmet that gives him an electronic sounding vioce. And we know he has a very cool and memorable look to him.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 4 2003, 10:44 AM
Nah, we know thanks to Hyperspace that the new bad guy is partially robotic or at least wears a helmet that gives him an electronic sounding vioce. And we know he has a very cool and memorable look to him.
The new bad guy (according to tf.n) is the leader of the droid armies, he's not all droid and is a Jedi killing machine. He is also supposed to be all white.

I still personally think Aurra Singg would have been perfect for that role instead.

[Darth Vegas]

She could still have some role in the film. And Ki-Adi still could be a traitor, but we also have this other new bad guy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Darthy]

Aurra Singg is a scene filler - no more, no less as Yoda might say. She has no relevance to the SW story and only us fans even knew the ghostly chick with a red poney tail had a name. It would be silly to suggest that every mildly memorable background character should have a place in the overall story of SW.

Back on the topic though, this new bloke is meant to be one nasty mother who can survive in a vacume and have the ability to stick to metallic surfaces - even the hull of ships. While they're flying. Or in this case, crashing into a planet.

[Gazelle]

Do we have any confirmed source on this "Jedi traitor" other than Micky Suttle?

[Darth Darthy]

No, never heard of any Jedi traitor and I still find it a little silly. From a story point of view, Mace is the only other Jedi (apart from Yoda obviously) that is a "character". He is also a Master and as such, I'd have thought uncorruptable.

[Phil Tinajero]

If there is a Jedi traitor, which would be kinda cool, it shouldn't be Ki-Adi. He's just not developed enough as a character to have that big of a twist. He hasn't got enough screentime for us to even be totally shocked that he should be something which he isn't.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@Oct 4 2003, 02:11 PM
No, never heard of any Jedi traitor and I still find it a little silly.
Well there's Count Dooku for one, and someone had to have erased Kamino from the Jedi Archives at Sidious' bidding if it wasn't Sidious himself, and that someone had to have been a Jedi.

Whoever it was that erased the archives it certainly wouldn't be some badass villian fighting in the Clone wars, it'd probably be a villian with more finesse, someone behind the scenes, like Darth Sidious.

[Darth Darthy]

Count Dooku was introduced as a villian though and we have no idea as to when the archive was actually erased. What's to say he didn't do it while still mascarading as a Jedi?

[Darth Vegas]

It's made clear in the film that only a Jedi could've erased those files. Whoever did it was a Jedi at the time, this is because only Jedi are allowed inside the temple, and I geuss cause only a Jedi would know how to do it.

I'm just saying it's more likely to be revealed one of the villians we already have did it rather than someone that is still a Jedi, unless it was Anakin, which seems unlikely since he was but a wee boy when the archives were probably erased.

[DblDwn]

Ok, I've been around here very little the last few days so I am not up on the gossip about the possibility of Ki-Adi being a traitor. What is the basis for that conclusion?

I agree with Bond that it is made clear in the film that a Jedi erased Kamino from the Archives. That leaves only two possibilities in my opinion.

The first being Dooku. Which is interesting because he would have done it after he had been recruited by Sidious and after, or shortly prior to, his hiring of Jango to be the source. That being said, Dooku would have already made the transition to the dark side while still playing the role of a Jedi in order to get into the Archives. Before his "Lost 20" status was known.

The other possibility is that Sifo-Dyas erased Kamino. Whether or not he really is Sidious doesn't matter. If he is Sidious then it is a no brainer that he is the one. If he is not Sidious then he still could have done it if he was manipulated into doing so by the real Sidious.

Another long shot possibility is that Palpatine, if he is Sidious without the Sifo-Dyas angle, somehow got into the Temple and into the Archives and he did it. That seems much more complex though and defeats the purpose of a Jedi having done it.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by DblDwn@Oct 4 2003, 03:07 PM
Ok, I've been around here very little the last few days so I am not up on the gossip about the possibility of Ki-Adi being a traitor. What is the basis for that conclusion?
He has the twelth seat on the council.

[Darth Darthy]

He's the 12th seat on the council which means he's a traitor? How does that work?

[DblDwn]

Are there only 12 seats on the Council? Meaning he is the newest member of the Council therefore he must be a traitor?

If he is the newest member of the Council then wouldn't it be safe to assume that he replaced Sifo-Dyas? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Judas, that's where the idea comes from, he was the twelth, and he wasa traitor.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by Darth Darthy@Oct 4 2003, 05:01 PM
Aurra Singg is a scene filler - no more, no less as Yoda might say. She has no relevance to the SW story and only us fans even knew the ghostly chick with a red poney tail had a name. It would be silly to suggest that every mildly memorable background character should have a place in the overall story of SW.


Aurra Singg does have relevance to the SW story. She was briefly introduced in EPI and is a known Jedi hunter. It would make sense for her to be in EPIII especially since this new bad guy is an EU character that hunts down Jedi. I don't see why at all it would be silly to suggest it. It makes perfect sense. I'm sure others would agree.

[Siamese Sith]

C'mon people! Jocasta Nu is a SITH!!!! She erased the Archives!!! She recruites young padawans when they go to the archives to do their Jedi homework!!!She's Palpidious' Beyatch!

[Haunted/Hated]

You know, Dooku could've erased those files.

[Obidobi]

Originally posted by Haunted/Hated@Oct 5 2003, 03:18 AM
You know, Dooku could've erased those files.
Hey H/H... Er du svensk?

I say Dooku erased those files....

[Haunted/Hated]

Originally posted by Obidobi+Oct 4 2003, 09:59 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Obidobi @ Oct 4 2003, 09:59 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Haunted/Hated@Oct 5 2003, 03:18 AM
You know, Dooku could've erased those files.
Hey H/H... Er du svensk?
[/b][/quote]
Yup.

[Gazelle]

Yes I think we are supposed to understand that Dooku erased the files. I don't see any other credible option.

[DblDwn]

Gazelle
Yes I think we are supposed to understand that Dooku erased the files. I don't see any other credible option.

I would say that Sifo-Dyas is just as good of an option as Dooku is.

[Siamese Sith]

Can anyone discredit the theory that Anakin erased the files?

[bluemilk]

Originally posted by Siamese Sith@Oct 5 2003, 10:03 PM
Can anyone discredit the theory that Anakin erased the files?
no I guess we can't. We aren't told when exactly the files were erased. I don't think Anakin would have. I believe that it was done prior to Sifo Dyas being killed or perhaps within the same time frame. Perhaps Sifo Dyas did work for Sidious and he was killed after completely two tasks: erasing the archives and ordering the Clone Army.

Perhaps this is why Dooku left the Jedi Order because he was working with Sifo Dyas. It's my double cross theory. Both Sifo Dyas and Dooku worked together then Sidous had Sifo Dyas killed. Perhaps even Dooku knew all this and was in on the murder.

[Gazelle]

Originally posted by DblDwn@Oct 5 2003, 07:27 PM
Gazelle
Yes I think we are supposed to understand that Dooku erased the files. I don't see any other credible option.

I would say that Sifo-Dyas is just as good of an option as Dooku is.
*in Obi Wan voice* possibly

[flo fett]

Originally posted by Siamese Sith@Oct 5 2003, 02:07 AM
C'mon people! Jocasta Nu is a SITH!!!! She erased the Archives!!! She recruites young padawans when they go to the archives to do their Jedi homework!!!She's Palpidious' Beyatch!
Mind you, she did have a sharp look on her when Obi-wan was questioning her library. Sheesh, I thought she was gunna cut him down there. Who know what evil lurks in that womans mind? In fact she could be Palpletine/Sidious/Sifo-dyas/various clones in a mask!!! *slaps forehead* Why haven't we noticed before!????

[goodwije]

I think it would be difficult for the "average" SW fan to tell the difference between a Sith and someone who just uses the dark side. Have we seen anyone who uses the force who isnt a Jedi or Sith?

I still believe that whoever is the new baddy will be pretty straight forward. No hidden Jedi no new Sith.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by goodwije@Oct 6 2003, 05:56 PM
Have we seen anyone who uses the force who isnt a Jedi or Sith?
Leia in ESB, and Anakin and Luke too before they became Jedi.

Plus we were led all along to believe until the very end of AOTC where Dooku is revealed to be Darth Tyranus that Dooku was just a renegade Jedi.

I doubt the average audience even understands what a Sith is, to them they're just Jedi gone bad, and actually many of them are.

This new bad guy likely doesn't use the Force or a lightsaber, that doesn't mean some other baddie besides Vader, Sidious, or Dooku won't.

[goodwije]

I agree completely, that is what i was trying to say in my rambling way.

Yes i guess Leia did, in a way, use the force in ESB. Luke did but he was in training, so on the way to a Jedi. At the time though i thought she was just respoding to Luke's call with the force because she loved him. I was a little too young to get the sexual tension between Leia and Han and convinced Luke and Leia should be together.

Yes i agree that they never showed Dooku to be Sith until the very end but i thought there was little doubt as such. He associated with Sidious' allies from TPM and he expressed the rhetoric we have heard over and over. Not to mention Maul was dead and Sid needed a new apprentance. It wasnt a surprise to many, i dont think.

[Darth Vegas]

Yes Sidious allies who came to Count Dooku asking for help because they were betrayed by Sidious, pulled the wool over their eyes, and ours, for the time being.

It wasnt a surprise to many, i dont think.

For alot of the fans it was spoiled early on, but it was meant to be a surprise of sorts.

[Siamese Sith]

Honestly I think (GOD I hate this term) "the average movie goer" simply sees red lightsaber and their mind clicks "oh this is a bad guy" If Lucas was gonna play the grey area with Dooku "Is he a Jedi double agent or a Sith" He wouldn't have given him a red lightsaber or Sith lightening perhaps it would've been better for Dooku to be more sithy in the opposite way from Maul. Less action more lies, true lies....to keep the audience guessing until you see Tyrannus chatting with Sidious.

[Jedi D'oh]

If you go to Star Wars.com and point at the "What's New" section, a picture of a helmet pops up. When compared to the face of the Durge action figure, it is almost identical. Anyone else agree?

[Darth Vegas]

Nah that's not him, it's the "Fireship pilot"

[Jedi D'oh]

Originally posted by TK-007@Oct 7 2003, 08:29 PM
Nah that's not him, it's the "Fireship pilot"
What is the Fireship Pilot?

[Darth Vegas]

A pilot, who pilots a ship called a "Fireship", he has a couple lines in the film too.

Info courteousy of Starwars.com Hyperspace ©

I'm guessing he's one of several CIS or Republic pilots, and the Fireship is an early version of some sorta Rebel Alliance craft.

[Jedi D'oh]

Cool. Didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

[Darth Barrister]

There is an earlier thread on this site where I predicted that it was Qui Gon that erased the files.


However, I think that it is more plausible that it was Dooku.


I will, however, just to be different, stick with my Qui Gon prediction.

[Haunted/Hated]

Originally posted by Darth Barrister@Oct 8 2003, 12:52 PM
I will, however, just to be different, stick with my Qui Gon prediction.
That's actually a very intriguing plot twist. Not that common on this board style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

It would be interesting if Qui Gon in some way did things for Dooku thinking he was acting on behalf of the good for the Republic.

[Darth Barrister]

I agree. We don't know how close QG and Dooku were at the time of the TPM. Maybe they had the foresight to see the need for an army and thought it best for the Republic. I don't think QG would approve of Dooku using the dark side, but he may have seen the coming changes to the Jedi Order and the Republic. Remember, he is the one that discovered Anakin (probably by the will of the force), so he is critical to the entire story (PT and OT)

When we refer to all Six, will it be the Sixoligy? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Darth Vegas]

One problem: Qui-Gon was dead before the army was ordered.

[Darth Barrister]

Are you sure? It all seems to have happened at about the same time.

[Darth Vegas]

I think so, Count Dooku hired Fett under the name Darth Tyranus, and he wasn't Darth Tyranus until after TPM and until Qui-Gon had died, so Qui-Gon couldn't possibly have had anything to do with the army.

[Gazelle]

The impression I get from Obi Wan's comments is that the real Sifo-Dias was killed chronologically at the time of the Phantom Menace.

My own view would be that Palpatine had him killed, or took advantage of his death, at exactly the same time, if not before, he began to manipulate the Nemoidians. IMO Sifo-Dias was dead before Episode I began.

As to whether Dooku masqueraded as Sifo and ordered the army, all depends on how long he had been in league with Sidious (you notice I didn't say a "Sith"!). One of the problems in sorting all this out is that we assuming that there will be no continuity bloopers! For example, if we could trust our lives to the chronology, Dooku couldn't/shouldn't have been a Sith lord at the time of TPM, so shouldn't/couldn't be a baddie then, and therefore couldn't/shouldn't have ordered clones/erased files, etc.

The impression you get from the scene between Dooku and Palpatine is that Dooku had been in on it from the beginning. But chronologically he shouldn't/couldn't have been because of the rule of two, etc.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Oct 9 2003, 03:46 PM
The impression I get from Obi Wan's comments is that the real Sifo-Dias was killed chronologically at the time of the Phantom Menace.

My own view would be that Palpatine had him killed, or took advantage of his death, at exactly the same time, if not before, he began to manipulate the Nemoidians. IMO Sifo-Dias was dead before Episode I began.


Whoever said a week or two ago that every topic has to turn into a "Is Sidious Sifo-Dyas" discussion hit it on the head. Nice call whoever you were. I forgot and I apologize.

Can we please give it a rest for a little while? Maybe a week. I'm burned out reading Peeler and all the other naysayers say the same things over and over for 40 pages of discussion and I imagine that Bond feels the same way.

Let's take a week off of it and then someone, maybe even me, can start a thread that is intended to discuss it. If we even want to at this point.

[DblDwn]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Oct 9 2003, 03:46 PM
IMO Sifo-Dias was dead before Episode I began.


Ok, I'm being a hypocrite but, real quick, if that was the case then what is the point of introducing the characters name in the first place?

Why not say that Qui-Gon ordered the clones? He was dead. Couldn't defend himself. Was Dooku's apprentice so it would have puzzled the Jedi even more once they learned that Dooku was the leader of the Separatists. It makes more sense from a storytelling stand point. Unless Sifo-Dyas is involved more than people think.

You know what? Don't answer that Gazelle. Please don't. I am breaking my statement from my previous post but I had to ask in order to give you something to think about. Hopefully it worked and you will.

PM me your response, if you want to, so as to not ruin this thread like the CONFIRMED thread was ruined.

[Obidobi]

Hey guys.....
Wanna discuss Palpasidious...?
Then you can do it here (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?showtopic=5903) or Here (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?showtopic=6032)

Now if you please stay on topic......Please....? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[Darth Vegas]

And a number of other thread too *yawn* :doze: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sleeping.gif

Maybe it'd be a good idea to merge all of those topics together...

Anyhoo new bad = Durge or a character like him, IMO.

[Gazelle]

You make a good point re: Qui Gonn DD. I can see the logic of that.

[goodwije]

Unfortuanantly at this point everything we have to say about the new bad guy is that there will be one. There just isn't enough information about what will happen to, in anyway, know for sure.

Think those of us who would like to see someone other than a Sith have spoken up, and those of you who would like to see a Sith have said your peace as well. Guess now its sit back and wait.

[Darth Vegas]

Unfortuanantly at this point everything we have to say about the new bad guy is that there will be one.

Actually from Hyperspace we know he'll have a distinctive look, his vioce will have a somewhat electronic sound to it, and he has a cool ship. And we know both Obi-Wan and Anakin fight him.

There have been so called "spy reports" sighting that the new bad guy leads the droid armies of the Seperatists, and that he wears white armor, sorta a cross between Vader and a Stormtrooper.


If we put all of this information together you can get a good idea of what this character is, in fact such a character exsists and has just recently been introduced as a General in the Seperatists armies, he'll be appearing in the Clone Wars animated shorts and the Episode 2 concept team designed the character, and Rick McCallum has stated that new characters from the Clone Wars cartoon series will be appearing in Episode 3, this new bad guy very well could be that character.

[Gazelle]

Excellent summary TK. I am also right in thinking that he (it) wields two lightsabres?

[Darth Vegas]

Rick McCallum told us in Hyperspace that someone in the film wields two lightsabers, he did not say anything about who that character was.

But I'd like it to be this chick:

http://www.starwarz.com/clonewarseu/charac...ajjventress.htm (http://www.starwarz.com/clonewarseu/characters/darkjedi/asajjventress.htm)

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[Gazelle]

Ok, thanks.

[goodwije]

Thanks TK, i don't have Hyperspace (i know i know, i am going to subscribe next week) so i am not all that clear on ALL the specifics. I brought up Asajj Ventress a few pages back ( i think). She will be introduced in Episode 7 of TCWAS, obviously there is more info on here out there than that however.

I am not too crazy about a non-Jedi/Sith using a lightsaber, but i guess there is no rules on the matter.

A classic fight agaist one of the fella's where she doesnt remove her helmet and we find out its a woman until the end type-of-scene is what i am picturing for her now.

And honestly isnt it time for a Bad-Girl? We havent had any, not counting EU, have we?

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah it's definitely time for a bad girl. And I don't think you couldn't get a better one than the one that was originally planned to have Dooku's role in Episode 2...oh plus she has those wicked curved lightsabers that connect at the ends to form a double-bladed lightsaber... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[goodwije]

See though, to me, she just sounds too EU for there to be any real chance she will make into the the movies.

Plus in TCWAS Dooku sends her after Anakin, i realize that Sid might make him change his mind, but seems to me this new big-bad will be after Jedi and Senaters that are not loyal to Palpy.

[Darth Vegas]

Oh Ventress without any doubt is not the new bad guy, doesn't mean she's not going to appear in the film at all though.

[Darth Barrister]

Han Solo, a non-force user, used Luke's lightsaber in TESB on Hoth.

[goodwije]

He used it to cut open a Tan-Tan (sp?) not as a primary weapon. It takes considerable training, and considerable force abilities, to use a lightsaber affectivly. Or so it is implied in the movies, but my problem is i think it jumbles it up too much if non-force-able character is seen adeptly using a lightsaber.

[Gazelle]

TK, who or what is Durge?

[Darth Vegas]

http://www.starwarz.com/clonewarseu/charac...nters/durge.htm (http://www.starwarz.com/clonewarseu/characters/bountyhunters/durge.htm)

[Gazelle]

Can you guess why I ask?

[Darth Vegas]

Curiosity?

[Gazelle]

I wondered if "Durge" or something like Durge will be the new baddie - a robotic Separatist leader. I heard a rumour that there is some kind of figure being made of him.

[Darth Vegas]

There already is one. Weird thing is they were already working on the action figure before the character was even introduced.

[Gazelle]

Well, as the resident "Clone Wars EU" expert, what do you think? Are there any simularities between what we know officially (and rumour) about this new bad guy and the character/concept of Durge? Does he appear in the Clone Wars cartoon?

[bluemilk]

well I wouldn't think that the new bad guy will be a bounty hunter. More someone like Xizor that has a stake in seeing the Republic fall.

[Gazelle]

Sorry, I didn't realise he was a bounty hunter

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Oct 11 2003, 01:30 PM
Well, as the resident "Clone Wars EU" expert, what do you think? Are there any simularities between what we know officially (and rumour) about this new bad guy and the character/concept of Durge? Does he appear in the Clone Wars cartoon?
Dang Gazelle you havn't been reading this thread thouroughly have you? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

I think if we put together everything we know and has been rumored about the new bad guy then Durge very possibly is this new baddie. We know that Durge was designed by the Episode 2 concept team. We also know Durge is going to play a big role in the Clone Wars animated shorts, and we know from Rick McCallum that new characters from the Clone Wars Cartoon Series will be in Episode 3.

I'd say there's a good chance the new bad guy is Durge, but he may not be.

[Gazelle]

Sorry, was all this already in the thread? I best go look....

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by bluemilk@Oct 11 2003, 01:33 PM
well I wouldn't think that the new bad guy will be a bounty hunter. More someone like Xizor that has a stake in seeing the Republic fall.
Durge isn't really a Bounty Hunter, I wouldn't call him that anyway, he's more of a General in the CIS, a henchmen for Dooku, but he's really not a killer-for-hire.

I don't think we need another baddie who's more plotting, and controlling things from behind the curtain, this new baddie seems more like someone who's right there on the battlefield.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Gazelle@Oct 11 2003, 01:41 PM
Sorry, was all this already in the thread? I best go look....
Yeah we've been talking about it for a little while now. It was brought up in that other bad guy thread too, I think it's on page 2 of this forum.

[Gazelle]

Is Durgey in the new cartoon TK?

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah.

[Gazelle]

A main character?

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah, he's one of the main villians.

Read the thread man! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Gazelle]

Sorry TK, I must be mistaken. I thought you were Mr CloneWars EU! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Darth Vegas]

I'm familiar with what's going on in the Clone Wars. Just that this has all been talked about already right in this thread, that's all.

[Gazelle]

Ok, buddy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Ewok Hater]

I saw the new Durge figure in my local toy store. The write up on the back of the package said, (and this is just a summary of what I remembered & not word for word on the package, but close), he was a 2000 year old bounty hunter who was captured, tortured and left for dead by the Mandalore Warriors. He awakened to get his revenge but found that the Mandalores were all but extinct. He is now Count Dooku's replacement for Jango Fett as his bodyguard & henchman. He is also the leader of the CIS Separist Droid Army.

That's pretty much what it says on the package. The figure does look pretty cool though.

[Javen]

Originally posted by Ewok Hater@Oct 11 2003, 08:46 PM
I saw the new Durge figure in my local toy store. The write up on the back of the package said, (and this is just a summary of what I remembered & not word for word on the package, but close), he was a 2000 year old bounty hunter who was captured, tortured and left for dead by the Mandalore Warriors. He awakened to get his revenge but found that the Mandalores were all but extinct. He is now Count Dooku's replacement for Jango Fett as his bodyguard & henchman. He is also the leader of the CIS Separist Droid Army.

That's pretty much what it says on the package. The figure does look pretty cool though.
And where did you see this again???

[Darth Vegas]

Here's something about the Clone Wars Toons you'll all find interesting form the latest Entertainment Weekly:

"We were given two new villians (Assaj Ventress and the armored bounty hunter Durge) they wanted to see featured", art director Paul Rudish recalls of Lucas' directives.

So Lucas wanted Assaj and Durge featured in the toons... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

[Ewok Hater]

Originally posted by Javen+Oct 12 2003, 06:47 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Javen @ Oct 12 2003, 06:47 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ewok Hater@Oct 11 2003, 08:46 PM
I saw the new Durge figure in my local toy store. The write up on the back of the package said, (and this is just a summary of what I remembered & not word for word on the package, but close), he was a 2000 year old bounty hunter who was captured, tortured and left for dead by the Mandalore Warriors. He awakened to get his revenge but found that the Mandalores were all but extinct. He is now Count Dooku's replacement for Jango Fett as his bodyguard & henchman. He is also the leader of the CIS Separist Droid Army.

That's pretty much what it says on the package. The figure does look pretty cool though.
And where did you see this again??? [/b][/quote]
The spotlight character profile of Durge available at The Official Site reads as follows:

A long-lived bounty hunter who has replaced Jango Fett as Count Dooku's right-hand man, Durge has long held a grudge against the Mandalorians. Emerging from hibernation after the Battle of Geonosis, the bounty hunter learned that the Mandalorians were all but extinct. Their legacy continued, however, in the form of the Republic's clone troopers, forged from Jango Fett's genetic material. Durge then joined the Confederacy of Independent Systems to enact his revenge upon Jango's clones, and fights alongside Asajj Ventress in the Clone Wars.


That's pretty much what it says on the back of the card on the action figure too.

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by TK-007+Oct 11 2003, 04:37 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Oct 11 2003, 04:37 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Gazelle@Oct 11 2003, 01:30 PM
Well, as the resident "Clone Wars EU" expert, what do you think? Are there any simularities between what we know officially (and rumour) about this new bad guy and the character/concept of Durge? Does he appear in the Clone Wars cartoon?
Dang Gazelle you havn't been reading this thread thouroughly have you? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

I think if we put together everything we know and has been rumored about the new bad guy then Durge very possibly is this new baddie. We know that Durge was designed by the Episode 2 concept team. We also know Durge is going to play a big role in the Clone Wars animated shorts, and we know from Rick McCallum that new characters from the Clone Wars Cartoon Series will be in Episode 3.

I'd say there's a good chance the new bad guy is Durge, but he may not be. [/b][/quote]
I thought this new bad guy was suppossed to be all white, part machine and carry 2 lightsabers. Durge doesn't do that, does he?

Don't get me wrong, I would like to see him and Ventress in it. I think it would be great, but I am the one that feels that Aurra Singg would be perfect in EPIII to help purge the Jedi.

Of course, the perfect scene would be of Anakin/Vader gathering Aurra Singg, Ventress, Durge and whoever else to hunt the Jedi like in ESB.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by P-Ray@Oct 13 2003, 11:45 AM
I thought this new bad guy was suppossed to be all white, part machine and carry 2 lightsabers. Durge doesn't do that, does he?
No that's not true, he doesn't carry two lightsabers, we were never told that by any official source.

Yes Assaj Ventress would be cool to see, and just because she isn't the new baddie (she's not as the new baddie is a guy style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ), doesn't mean she won't make an appearance, I strongly believe she'll have some role to play.

[Ali Arikan]

What in? The film? You don't think the flick is overabundant with villains already that we have to introduce a Dark Jedi hence crapping on the entire Star Wars canon and just populating the flick with characters that buy it in one hour of their introduction?

[P-Ray]

Originally posted by TK-007+Oct 13 2003, 05:36 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TK-007 @ Oct 13 2003, 05:36 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Oct 13 2003, 11:45 AM
I thought this new bad guy was suppossed to be all white, part machine and carry 2 lightsabers.* Durge doesn't do that, does he?
No that's not true, he doesn't carry two lightsabers, we were never told that by any official source.

Yes Assaj Ventress would be cool to see, and just because she isn't the new baddie (she's not as the new baddie is a guy style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ), doesn't mean she won't make an appearance, I strongly believe she'll have some role to play. [/b][/quote]
I really thought I read either in a spy report, hyperspace or from McCallum that the new bad guy will have 2 lightsabers.

[Ali Arikan]

That was in a spy report; I have a feeling that he does not wield a lightsabre as it would be overkill (no pun intended) . I think it is the Droid General with Jedi Hunter Droids who have some sort of a weapon that is effective against lightsabres.

[goodwije]

So will we see him, like Jango, working the back feild. Hunting down Jedi and republic minded Senators. Or will we see him leading the droid armies like Yoda led the clones, or both?

[Darth_Vortex]

He is Sifo! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[goodwije]

Oh My..

The Sifo name once again shows up.