The Rakatans

[huttslime]

Anybody want to have a discussion about rakatans?

In the New Essential Chronology it says that they invented the hyperdrive, and that you had to be force sensitive to use it.

Their planet was in the unknown regions, I was wondering why they explored the star wars galaxy, and didn't go in a different direction to explore the universe.

Maybe they did, but nobody wrote a story about it...

[Darth Massacrus]

you better believe I would love to discuss the Rakatans! What would you like to know?

[huttslime]

Do you know why it doesnt mention Manaan in the New Essential Chronology?

[Darth Massacrus]

Manaan was apparently just another Rakatan world. I do not believe that the Rakatans were responsible for turning it into an ocean world, as that seems to have happened later on.

[huttslime]

but the book talks about slaves, but doesnt mention the selkath.

[Darth Massacrus]

the game, in the Dantooine ruins, the Ancient Overseer droid speaks Selkath. You can ask the droid if the Builders were Selkath, and you get a response like "the Selkath were slaves of the Builders".

[huttslime]

I'm was talking about the New Essential Chronology!

Talking about dantooine, in KotOR 2, what do you do when you finish with the lower ruins?

[Konig15]

Manaan was ALWAYS an ocean world, the Rakatans built the Star Map underwater. The Selkath were always ocean going.

But I refuse to believe that the Rakata are extinct. They just "couldn't find others to mate with" is bunk. Espeically as concerned leaders could easily have used artifical insimination techinques to repopulate the speices if push came to shove. They're still out there. Before the EU burns itself out they'll be a Rakatan Jedi, mark my words.

[huttslime]

a disease stripped the rakatans of their force sensitivity, so there cant be rakatan jedi.

[Konig15]

It was comin back; I beleive the Priest caste historian in KOTOR was Force sentisive enough to be noticed, as well as the One.

[huttslime]

ill have to play the game again and check that out...

[Darth Massacrus]

that, and the computer in the Temple of the Ancients had the genetic code for Rakatans, and Revan retireved it. As the Rkatans did rejoin the galaxy, and did reacquire Force sensitivity, I truly do hope the Rakatan species will one day reemerge...

[huttslime]

does anyone know what happened to revan after kotor?

[Konig15]

When out looking for the "True Sith Empire"

[huttslime]

the massasi stuff or the really old sith species?

by the way is there any sith (not the darth siths, the species) left after the sith era?

[Darth Massacrus]

go to the Kotor III thread for some of my theories as to what happens after K2TSL...

[Cydon]

Oh no. You got Darth started. Now ths thread is never gonna stop!!

[Darth Massacrus]

Cyde! good to see ya! Now getting back to the Rakatan species...

[Cydon]

Besides from the illustration in the Chronology, what do they like!?!?!?!?

[huttslime]

what do you mean "what do they like" ?

[Cydon]

*Ahem* sorry, what do they look like?

[huttslime]

thats what I was thinking the question was.

well, they have eyes on the side of their head, greenish/brownish skin, wear clothing that looks a little egyptian,

anything i missed?

[Cydon]

Like the Go'auld in Stargate LOL.

[huttslime]

thats right (especially the neckpiece)

[Cydon]

You like Stargate SG-I?

[huttslime]

I watched saw most of the seasons (1, 3, 4, 5, and some other episodes. My friend has almost every season on DVD)

[Cydon]

I'm been driven crazy. I can't afford to buy them and only Season 1&2 are at the Library. I've seen each episode 14 times. Anyway, about the Rakatans...

[huttslime]

I couldnt buy them all either... (that person has a million dvds at his house though, I dont know how they get so many)

[Cydon]

Mut be a doctor. lol (no offense)

[Darth Massacrus]

a Rakatan Prison Box:

[huttslime]

dont open it though...

you will get sucked in.

[Darth Massacrus]

oh. THAT box. -Motta the Hutt

[huttslime]

Did you open it?

[Darth Massacrus]

of course! I got to meet and defeat the ancient Warlord within!

[huttslime]

In kotor 2, what do you do after you finish the lower ruins in the dantooine enclave?

[Cydon]

I'm not listening!!!!!

[huttslime]

what do you mean?

[Cydon]

I've never played KOTOR. I just ordered it.

[huttslime]

Well, its a really good game.

Every star wars fan in the world should play it at least once.

(i played it 3 times!)

[Cydon]

Don't worry, I plan to.

[huttslime]

do you play battlefront one?

[Cydon]

Of course! I love it! Last stands rock! One against 150! It is possible with a health and ammo droid nearby. Theres stationery last stands, where you stay where you are. (Yavin 4 ) (Rhen Var) (Mos Eisley at the Hangar) And theres run around last stands. (Dune Sea) (Bespin Platforms)

[huttslime]

the once in a lifetime score i got was 92-24-0, in a multiplayer game, Jabbas palace. That was maybe a week or two ago.

[Cydon]

Heres a trick, on BF2, play 1 flag CTF on the Death Star play as the Rebels. Be Luke Skywalker. Final score for me: 250-783-0. Kill score resets sometime after 250, so don't press it. I did. I was so upset. Then I did it again. As Luke, stand in the Fire Control Room, by the ramp of there base (in 1 flag CTF) and Force push the stormtroopers (and sometimes the Emperor) into the firing mechanism!!!! LOL!!!! The only thing is, they don't count the kills to you.

[huttslime]

i dont have bf2, sadly.

but i heard its not as good as bf1

[Cydon]

Didn't you say Jabbas Palace?

[Darth Massacrus]

getting back to the Rakatans...

[huttslime]

Didn't you say Jabbas Palace?

yes (its in the bf1 update.)

[Darth Massacrus]

the Rakatans are the great masters of the galaxy, none can stand against their might and the power of the Star Forge- the Overseer

[Cydon]

Thanks, huttslime. I have it on XBOX without XBOX Live. About the Rakatans, they resemble taskmasters to me. Very strict. Like the Vong in some ways.

[Darth Massacrus]

Cyde: when you play through the Unknown World in Kotor, do you do the return the DNA sidequest?

[Cydon]

I don't have it yet...just ordered it!!!!!!

[Darth Massacrus]

oh. ah well, trust me, you'll love it!

As for the Rakatans, perhaps some stayed true to the species nature and later embraced the Darkside?

[Cydon]

And maybe they were the ones who displaced the Vong! We'll never know...unless someone decide to write about them.

[Darth Massacrus]

There really ought to be a novel about the end of the Infintite Empire. Perhaps one of the main characters could be the imprisoned Warlord from the Rakatan Prison Box that Darth Revan later sold to Motta the Hutt...

[Cydon]

That would be cool!

[huttslime]

Maybe another of the staff will write a book on that. (just like darth bane)

[Darth Massacrus]

while we're on the subject of things Rakatan, what happenned to the Star maps? and were any ever found on some of the OTHER planets that the Rakatans enslaved?

[Cydon]

Two words: Unknown Regions

[huttslime]

What I think: The only planets that havethe Star Maps are the ones in kotor, if there were more you wouldnt have been able to find the star forge.

[Cydon]

oh.

[Darth Massacrus]

oh.................I dont think so. The Star Maps were built upon all the conquered worlds of the Infinite Empire. And because 'over 500' planets were 'members' of The Infinite Empire, a Star Map would have been buillt on each world. This is mentioned by some of the Rakatan droids and The Historian Orsaa in Kotor. Each map showed the expanse of the whole Empire, and at the center of it the Star Forge. But when the Infinite Empire fell, the Star Maps were sabotaged by both Rakatan and slave species, but over the millennia slowly repaired and regenerated, as they were made with the same technology as the Star Forge itself was. Makes me wonder: what Star Maps are still out there and what state of repair are they in?

[huttslime]

BUT.... as I said, didnt you need all of the Star Maps to find the Star Forge's location? If there were 500, it would have taken a lot longer.

... and, if what you say is true, what planets do you think were altered by the Rakatans? Maybe Dagobah, although it is in the wrong side of the Galaxy.

[Darth Massacrus]

actually, as the Star Maps were already each partly complete by the time of Lord Revan, all one would need to do is find some that have coordinates others didnt, which is exactly what happenned...

[huttslime]

I didnt know that...

[Darth Massacrus]

yep.

[huttslime]

Yes, that's right.



Absolutely.

Couldn't be more right than that.

[Darth Massacrus]

Indeed. Makes me wonder : when Darth Revan visited the Temple of the Ancients right before the Battle of the Star Forge, how come he didnt find his own holocron, which Darth Bane did find?

[huttslime]

Because he made it after the battle.

[Darth Massacrus]

nope. He made it while he was Dark Lord of the Sith. after all, it was a Dark Lord's Holocron, not a Jedi one...

[huttslime]

I'm pretty sure he made it after the battle, when he disappeared, and found out that it is better to only have a master and an apprentice at the same time. ("Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody the power, the other to crave it.")

[Darth Massacrus]

but Revan did not fall back to the Darkside, as many official material state. Therefore, it was made while he was Dark Lord.

[huttslime]

They never said that he went to the light side either.

[Darth Massacrus]

uh, actually, the New Essential Chronology says he did.

[Cydon]

Where?

[huttslime]

Actually it says that he was on the republic side, and was on the light side and everything, but he disaaapeared, realizing that it is better to have only 2 sith at a time. Also if he already made the holocron, why would he have wanted so many darl side followers? (I know you are about to say that it was malak with all the followers, but before malak revan asked many people from the jedi to join him. The whole time revan and malak were around they didnt show any evidence that they, or revan specifically, were enlightened of the whole 2 sith at a time deal.) And doesnt it make more sense, that after being isolated from the republic, after the battle of rakata, that he had enough time to figure that out? You will not change my mind unless you have hard evidence.

[Darth Massacrus]

well, the Battle of Rakata Prime is an official battle, and later generations of Sith would regard it as the Order's greatest defeat.

[huttslime]

I like your old avatar better.

[Darth Massacrus]

perhaps another?

[Cydon]

YES. Another. Please. Want a Nilihus one? Revan? Malak?

[Darth Massacrus]

no, I'll choose my own, thank you....

[huttslime]

I really think that the old one was best.

How about a Stormtrooper (Sand Trooper to be exact.)
I just saw it in the ad up top... "Mini Busts - Urban Collector" - Collect your urban now!

[Darth Massacrus]

getting back to the Rakatans...

[huttslime]

Well, do you have anything to say about the rakatans?

How about this:

What are those weird towers on that painting of Rakata Prime in the background? They are the only buildings that you can see on the whole planet other than the temple and little hutts. They look giant. (and there is only three of them as far as I can tell.)

[Darth Massacrus]

They are most likely one of three things: crashed capitol ships from an older era, remains of a city, or remains of a mountain.

[huttslime]

I don't see how they could be remains of a mountain.

[Cydon]

Perhaps Planetary Defense Turrets???

[Darth Massacrus]

no. The Rakatan World, or whatever you want to call it, had a different surface before the Rakatan Warlords unleashed weapons of mass destruction upon the surface. Those spires in the back are likely either crashed ships, ruins, or mountainous remains.

[Cydon]

:giveup: I give up.

[Morridini]

I always thought they were the towers of a big sunken city, like Atlantis.

[Darth Massacrus]

In the discussions Revan had with the Rakatan historian Orsaa in KOTOR, it is revealed that when the Rakatans retreated back to thier homeworld, the civil war that broke out amongst the warlords devastated the surface of Rakata Prime. When the Rakata reemerged, they found a new surface, a tropical one. Thier ancient cities and fortresses had become ruins that the sea and jungles would slowly reclaim, and over the coming millennia, numerous ships would crashland onto the surface and oceans, having been struck down by the Star Forges disruptor field. I believe that the spires seen in the horizon are ruined mountains or cities, or capitol ships that fell victim to the disruptor field.

[huttslime]

It could be capital ships, but unlikely. They looked like the ones the Star Forge spat out. Mountainous remains? I don't see how. Remaining city scape: There are only 3, not enough for a whole city.

[Morridini]

It could be capital ships, but unlikely. They looked like the ones the Star Forge spat out. Mountainous remains? I don't see how. Remaining city scape: There are only 3, not enough for a whole city.

New York has a lot of buildings, but imagine that it was in a war with billions of explosion and was eventualy flooded. It wouldn't be unreasonable that only three big buildings survived whole enough to poke up above the water.

[huttslime]

There would at least have been some smaller remains. Maybe this would be a good question to send to the producers.

[Morridini]

Um, the smaller remains are under water. Thus not viewable.

[huttslime]

But there has to be at least one remain that isn't the same height as the other ones, but still sticks out of the water. Talking about heights, they all seem to be the same height.

[Darth Massacrus]

who knows?

[Morridini]

Maybe because they were so very big they are constructed in a much better way?

[Darth Massacrus]

entirely possible. But they do resemble crashed capitol ships. Perhaps very very large ones, but still crashed vessels. Or they are remnants of the planets original landscape...

[huttslime]

Can you -please- explain how it could be landscape if it looks like spaceships? I still don't get that. You've been saying that for a while now.

[Cydon]

Insane, you all are.

[huttslime]

Maybe because they were so very big they are constructed in a much better way?

Maybe they were also cunstructed much better just because they were built by the Rakatans?

Insane, you all are.

?

[Morridini]

Maybe they were also cunstructed much better just because they were built by the Rakatans?

Um what?
We are talking about a Rakatan city (meaning all buildings built by Rakatans) where only three buildings were still visible......

[huttslime]

What about the Temple, the villages, the star maps, and the star forge?

[Morridini]

What about them?

[huttslime]

I don't know.

[Darth Massacrus]

I think that those 'spires' seen in the background were the remains of either structures, monuments, crashed ships, or something mountainous.

[huttslime]

I will ask again: How can those sturctures be something mountainous?

[Darth Massacrus]

again, I will refer to the devastation of Rakata Prime's surface by the warlords and how the landscape was altered by weapons of mass destruction.

[huttslime]

But it obvioulsy looks like something man made! It just doesn't look natural.

btw - where were you so long for a month?

[Darth Massacrus]

then perhaps they were monuments built millennia ago by the Rakatans that have weathered over the millennia.... as for where I was, suffice to say I wasnt in a galaxy far far away....

[Morridini]

Just updating this old thread because I came across something. Regarding wether or not the spires in this picture (from page 5 of this thread) are crashed ships or mountains:
http://www.galacticsenate.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15011&d=1165803224

Well I came across this concept art that shows the spires in better detail and it's much easier to see that thye are in fact ships:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/thumb/f/fb/RakataPrimeConcept.jpg/800px-RakataPrimeConcept.jpg

[Wicket]

They are crashed ships. If you look all around you, you will see remains of ships all over the landscape. Ships have been crashing there for years due to the tractor beam (or whatever it was) coming from the Rakatan temple. It`s what you have to shut down to get off the planet.