Some confusion about Leia

[melissa_ladyvader]

in episode 4 when luke asks leia about her mother
did she referr her real mother as breha?
or did she really rememeber padme?

[James]

It would have been Padme, Leia could only remember feelings and images. Her memories of Breha would have been stronger I think.

[James]

Oh, and welcome to the Senate :)

[Sluggo]

You mean Episode 6?

The so-called Official Sources (the movie and the novelization) don't mention either.

Welcome to the boards, btw.

[melissa_ladyvader]

thank you....ummm i read in one of my eu star wars novels that leia actually forgives anakin.......

[Sluggo]

I read that one too. It was cool to see Anakin still hanging around.

[Solo]

:welcome:

[Sarah-Leia]

:welcome: But shouldn't this be in the Original Trilogy thread?

[MandalorianJF]

I think it was Padme but on the other hand Leia thought that Breha was her real mother because I know for a fact that she thought that Senator Organo (don't know how to spell it) was here real father.

by Leia: "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope."
^
I know the bold part of the quote is BS but the underlined part tells you that she thought that Senator Organo (don't know how to spell it) was her real father.

[MandalorianJF]

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[Sluggo]

My father will know how to retrieve it.

That part of the quote was really weird. I remember in the ANH radio drama, during the torture scene, Vader had Leia drugged and he tried to convince her that her father needed to know the information. :stars:

Oh, it's Organa.

[thepepgal]

I think it was Padme but on the other hand Leia thought that Breha was her real mother because I know for a fact that she thought that Senator Organo (don't know how to spell it) was here real father.

by Leia: "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope."
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I know the bold part of the quote is BS but the underlined part tells you that she thought that Senator Organo (don't know how to spell it) was her real father.

She would have known she was adopted as she was part of the royal family. She could have said adopted father but to her since she raised her from birth she would have described him as just father.

[The Arbiter]

Yes, she said "father" with full knowledge she had been adopted. Remember, when Luke asks her whether she remembered her mother, he stresses "your REAL mother", which indicates that Leia had awareness that Breha was not her actual mother.

[nefertiti]

I think this is one of those areas that won’t get a good answer. Mostly because I got to go back and say how would she have known “beautify” or “sad” and so forth? Luke was the one Padmé touched after he was born and it would make better sense that he would have some “force” sense of Padmé, but it’s Leia that has the memory.

I believe that Leia would know that the Organas were not her real parents. Bail was almost to honest when we see him in the films. When the time was right, they would have told her. But for her – they were her parents.

So, back to the problem…why does Leia have these ideas about her real mother? Childhood fancy? A Force-connection while in the womb? Both can very generally work.

[Mothman]

.....So, back to the problem…why does Leia have these ideas about her real mother? Childhood fancy? A Force-connection while in the womb? Both can very generally work.

Quite simply...Mr. Lucas didn't have the whole saga totally mapped out when he wrote the ROTJ storyline.

:bye:


(I have my theory, but this is probably not the place.)


:vaderxmas:

[Leia]

Exactly, I was going to say, George Lucas just didn't bother to make the continuity match up *sigh* There's no reason Padme couldn't have lived a little longer, maybe for a couple of years hidden away.

[nefertiti]

Or even simpler...have had Padme touch Leia, not Luke....

[Leia]

Newborns don't remember anything...

[ForceFlow]

Well being jedi babies she probably remembers and

Luke says "Do you remeber your mother? your real mother?"

Leia had to know she was adopted Breha she raised leia up until the descruction of Alderaan

even if your adopted you still call your adopted dad your father

[nefertiti]

I just thought Force and all...it was possible....but ya never did share your theory...how about it?

[Leia]

I already said that I think George Lucas just willfully screwed things up :P

[huttslime]

If its faint memories, then its definitely Padmé because she was with Bail Organa and his wife for all her life. (She wouldnt have faint memories of somebody she grew up with.)

[melissa_ladyvader]

well i was reading one of eu star wars novels today

and i read a part where leia and luke actually find out how anakin "there real daddy" became darth vader and how there "real mommy" padme died....it said that r2d2 recorded it and stored it into his system and kept it for years and years........if u wanna know this

go to http:www.wikipedia.com/princess leia

or even luke skywalker and read the "EXPANDED UNIVERSE"

[Mothman]

I just thought Force and all...it was possible....but ya never did share your theory...how about it?

Look at my avatar...you'll figure it out.

(This theory was kicked around here for a long time and, of course, was debunked by how the actual plotline of ROTS turned out. However, I still believe that GL had this in mind at the time that he was writing the ROTJ storyline back in the old days.)

:bye:

[Leia]

Ok, mebbe I'm stupid, but I don't get your avatar...

And the EU doesn't count :sly:

[huttslime]

I dont seem to get the avatar either...

did you change the face or what?

[thepepgal]

Look at my avatar...you'll figure it out.

(This theory was kicked around here for a long time and, of course, was debunked by how the actual plotline of ROTS turned out. However, I still believe that GL had this in mind at the time that he was writing the ROTJ storyline back in the old days.)

So you believe that Mon Motha could have been Leia and Luke's mother and that is why Mon Motha took Leia under her wing after Bail died. Both Mon Motha and Leia had very similar lives with Mon Motha being the youngest human senator when first elect prior to Leia taking that mantle.

[Mothman]

Look at my avatar...you'll figure it out.

(This theory was kicked around here for a long time and, of course, was debunked by how the actual plotline of ROTS turned out. However, I still believe that GL had this in mind at the time that he was writing the ROTJ storyline back in the old days.)

:bye:

For many years the "Padme is Mon Mothma" theory was discussed here at the Galactic Senate. As I said above, this has since been debunked. But, for those who are interested, you can look up the old threads ... or I would be willing to discuss it.

:bye:

[huttslime]

How can Padmé be Mon "Mothman" ?

She definetileleyly dieyed on three hispotal.

[Balnazzar]

I don't think Leia remembers her true mother, being a jedi baby or not, she can't possibly remember her birthday. But it is true that Leia maybe had some special attachments to her mother, maybe she saw her in dreams or visions, after all Leia was a Jedi kid. I remember when she said;" In some way I knew it all the time"- that Luke was her brother. She sensed him as her relative, so it is possible that she also understood who her REAL mother was.

[Mothman]

How can Padmé be Mon "Mothman" ?

She definetileleyly dieyed on three hispotal.

As I said above, this theory has since been debunked.

:bye:

[huttslime]

But how did you come up with it in the first place?

I assume that you made this theory up before episode three came out.

[Mothman]

But how did you come up with it in the first place?

I assume that you made this theory up before episode three came out.

Do a search of old threads. This was discussed here back around 2003 or so.

:bye:

[huttslime]

Very well. :bye: --> (I don't know if that is a goodbye or a hello...)

[Mothman]

..... :bye: --> (I don't know if that is a goodbye or a hello...)

Correct! Kinda like "Aloha" or "Shalom".

:bye:

[jadeskywalker]

I am not really good at these, really bad with words here, so here is a try.

I remeber Leia's face expression when Luke asked Leia, " Do you remeber your mother, your real mother? " To me she was surprised about that question, like a hesitation until she answered. To me Leia had to think back to remeber a bit. but that is me. :uhhuh:

Her being in the Senate, she could have heard about somethings about Padme, like her dedication to the republic and helped with starting the Rebel Alliance before the Emperor chnaged to the Galactic Empire. IMO, Leia's dedications and such are so much like Padme.

I am going to have to look for it but I read somewhere that the emperor even made a day ( like Christopher Columbus Day ) for Padme on the planet of Naboo. And like I said, I will have to look for where I read it. :shocked: But, I do know I read it somewhere. :lol:

Mothmon I think has a point, you never know in this galaxy, which is why I love it sooo much.

[Mothman]

.....I am going to have to look for it but I read somewhere that the emperor even made a day ( like Christopher Columbus Day ) for Padme on the planet of Naboo. And like I said, I will have to look for where I read it. :shocked: But, I do know I read it somewhere. :lol:.....

Happy Life Day!

:santa:

[bluemilk]

But it is true that Leia maybe had some special attachments to her mother, maybe she saw her in dreams or visions...

that would be close to my own theory. Leia seemed to have heightened empathy through the force and it's possible that this ability allowed her to carry those feelings and images with her despite her mother dying shortly after birth.

As for the original question; Leia knew that she was adopted and like all adopted children I've ever known, they just refer to their parents as "mom and dad" like the rest of us, unless of course there is a need to differentiate. Considering Breha and Bail Organa raised her, it's natural for her to consider them her mother and father.

[Cassus Fett]

Perhaps it was a mixture of what people may have told her about her mother and the force allowing her to see her mother?

[Miasmo]

I usually just look at this question and shrug it off, assuming there wasn't much to talk about, but I decided to read this thread and think about it a little more than I normally would.

in episode 4 when luke asks leia about her mother
did she referr her real mother as breha?
or did she really rememeber padme?

Padme.

That part of the quote was really weird. I remember in the ANH radio drama, during the torture scene, Vader had Leia drugged and he tried to convince her that her father needed to know the information. :stars:
I have that drama but haven't listened to it in years! I really should go dig it up now.

I don't think Leia remembers her true mother, being a jedi baby or not, she can't possibly remember her birthday. But it is true that Leia maybe had some special attachments to her mother, maybe she saw her in dreams or visions, after all Leia was a Jedi kid. I remember when she said;" In some way I knew it all the time"- that Luke was her brother. She sensed him as her relative, so it is possible that she also understood who her REAL mother was.

that would be close to my own theory. Leia seemed to have heightened empathy through the force and it's possible that this ability allowed her to carry those feelings and images with her despite her mother dying shortly after birth.

I'm pretty much falling in line with these opinions. These aren't normal babies, they're Jedi babies. More importantly, they're Anakin Skywalker's Jedi babies. It is totally reasonable that they may be able to sense or piece together feelings and images of a mother they only knew outside of the womb for seconds.

As for why Leia experienced this and not Luke, it could simply be a mother-daughter bond. The OT is mostly about Luke and his connection with Anakin. I think it fits in rather nicely now, having Leia remember Padme's essence if you will, when Luke cannot.

[Mothman]

Perhaps it was a mixture of what people may have told her about her mother and the force allowing her to see her mother?

Perhaps its GL changing his mind (again) and having the "Mother" storyline go in a different direction than what he originally was thinking in the early 1980s.


:bye:

[thepepgal]

Perhaps its GL changing his mind (again) and having the "Mother" storyline go in a different direction than what he originally was thinking in the early 1980s.


:bye:

Well Leia didn't lie. Padme did die when she was very young.

We, the fans, just didn't expect for it to be just minutes after birth. :wink:

[Miasmo]

You could say they also might have avoided telling her that Padme died basically during childbirth. It can really be devastating thinking that your own birth was in some way responsible for your mother's death.

[thepepgal]

You could say they also might have avoided telling her that Padme died basically during childbirth. It can really be devastating thinking that your own birth was in some way responsible for your mother's death.

It wasn't the births that killed her but the broken heart from having her husband attack her.