Did Luke know about Shmi?

[MandalorianJF]

Did Luke know that his grandmother (shmi) was killed by the sand people? Because in ANH when R2 said that there are a couple of creatures approaching Luke when to take a look, it's like he did not realize how dangerous they were.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

I don't know the facts but my opinion is that he didn't know. As you say, he didn't seem to have any fear or hatred of the sand people and you would have thought he would have if he'd known what happened to Shmi.

Of course, it could well be another case that GL hadn't thought through the whole story?

In another thread I wondered similarly if Shmi had ever told Anakin anything about his 'Father'. It seems that the jedi didn't necessarily always tell the whole truth, i.e. Obi Wan telling Luke that Darth Vader had killed his Father.

[DblDwn]

The only way that Luke would have known would have been if Owen or Beru had told him and, considering they told him that his father had been a spice freighter who had died in the Clone Wars, it's a safe bet that they never told Luke anything about his extended family.

I imagine that after ROTJ Luke and Leia, at some point, had a sitdown with Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan to go over their mother, their grandmother, the origins of the droids, the history of the Jedi, the dangers of the Sith, the manipulator that was Palpatine, the Republic pre-Empire, how the two of them came to be and, perhaps most important of all, the genuine intentions that their father had for turning to the Dark Side in the first place.

[Tovor]

Now that the Prequels, specificially Episode II, have changed certain elements of the story, such as Shmi's gravestone being on the Lars' property, you have to change some thinking into realizing that Luke had to have known about Shmi. Assuming of course that her headstone would still be there in ANH, and that a later special edition of ANH will show us the headstone still there in Luke's time. With that said, Luke would have known at least about the gravesite, if not the details of who was buried there. And with that said, he has to have known about Shmi, somehow.

[MandalorianJF]

Now that the Prequels, specificially Episode II, have changed certain elements of the story, such as Shmi's gravestone being on the Lars' property, you have to change some thinking into realizing that Luke had to have known about Shmi. Assuming of course that her headstone would still be there in ANH, and that a later special edition of ANH will show us the headstone still there in Luke's time. With that said, Luke would have known at least about the gravesite, if not the details of who was buried there. And with that said, he has to have known about Shmi, somehow.

Yes, but they did not necessarily told Luke why she was there.

[MandalorianJF]

The only way that Luke would have known would have been if Owen or Beru had told him and, considering they told him that his father had been a spice freighter who had died in the Clone Wars, it's a safe bet that they never told Luke anything about his extended family.

By the way what's a spice freighter?

[MandalorianJF]

Because in ANH when R2 said that there are a couple of creatures approaching Luke when to take a look, it's like he did not realize how dangerous they were.

I think he even had a smile on, did he?

[Darth Massacrus]

Yes, Luke did know of Shmi Skwalker. Leia and Han, shortly after they married, went to Tatooine on a mission, during the course of which they found a journal that had belonged to Shmi, and a holo of Anakin at the Boonta Eve. Leia later told Luke about thier Grandmother. The whole story is chronicled in the novel Tatooine Ghost, by Troy Denning.

[MandalorianJF]

Yes, Luke did know of Shmi Skwalker. Leia and Han, shortly after they married, went to Tatooine on a mission, during the course of which they found a journal that had belonged to Shmi, and a holo of Anakin at the Boonta Eve. Leia later told Luke about thier Grandmother. The whole story is chronicled in the novel Tatooine Ghost, by Troy Denning.

Actually I was talking about ANH, but thanks for the info.

[Tovor]

Yes, Luke did know of Shmi Skwalker. Leia and Han, shortly after they married, went to Tatooine on a mission, during the course of which they found a journal that had belonged to Shmi, and a holo of Anakin at the Boonta Eve. Leia later told Luke about thier Grandmother. The whole story is chronicled in the novel Tatooine Ghost, by Troy Denning.
That is interesting. I would like to read that book now, at least for that part of it.

[techno-union]

Yeah I agree with MJF, he would have known about her but not the whole sand people story.

BTW A spice freighter would be a big ship that carries spice.

[DblDwn]

Yes, Luke did know of Shmi Skwalker. Leia and Han, shortly after they married, went to Tatooine on a mission, during the course of which they found a journal that had belonged to Shmi, and a holo of Anakin at the Boonta Eve. Leia later told Luke about thier Grandmother. The whole story is chronicled in the novel Tatooine Ghost, by Troy Denning.

Not trying to play Mod or anything but that is an EU book and holds no merit in these parts. While that is a great point in the EU threads it is simply "bantha fodder" in this one.

In regards to Tov's post about the gravestones I agree, to an extent, but this is all based on one thing. Whether or not the gravestones are added in feature release. Perhaps Owen, out of the best interest of Luke's upbringing and wanting to eliminate any and all questions he may have about his family, removed the gravestones while Luke was still an infant so that he would not grow up to see them and ask questions. Just a thought but one that could reasonably explain, from a cinematic point of view, why there are no gravestones in ANH.

[Mothman]

.....Of course, it could well be another case that GL hadn't thought through the whole story?.....

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha :chortle:

[MandalorianJF]

BTW A spice freighter would be a big ship that carries spice.

Thanks, I don't mean to sound stupid but what's a "spice"? or is it like spicy food?

[DblDwn]

The best way to learn about "spice," in the sci-fi sense at least, is to watch Dune.

[MasterJedi12]

Spice is a stimulant that puts you on a high.

As to the topic, I am more inclined to think that Luke didn't know. Owen didn't hold with his father's ideals and thought he should have stayed home and not gotten involved.

[MandalorianJF]

OK...thanks DblDwn & MasterJedi12 for "Spice".

[Darth Massacrus]

how does a Luke Skywalker/Shmi thread get to discuss spice???:lol: :lol:

[nefertiti]

I flipped through the Tatooine scenes in the OT and there are no visual grave-stones...but Owen would really have no reason to remove Shim's.... she was his step-mother - that would suffice as identification of the stone and he could put just about any story to it.

[Darth Massacrus]

"yep Luke, that headstone is a memorial to my Stepmother"- ficticous, never actually said, made up Owen Lars comment.

[IhateStarWars]

I HATE STAR WARS!!!

And Dmitry sucks

not spamming!

[MandalorianJF]

how does a Luke Skywalker/Shmi thread get to discuss spice???:lol: :lol:

That's how we got to that:

The only way that Luke would have known would have been if Owen or Beru had told him and, considering they told him that his father had been a spice freighter who had died in the Clone Wars, it's a safe bet that they never told Luke anything about his extended family.

I imagine that after ROTJ Luke and Leia, at some point, had a sitdown with Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan to go over their mother, their grandmother, the origins of the droids, the history of the Jedi, the dangers of the Sith, the manipulator that was Palpatine, the Republic pre-Empire, how the two of them came to be and, perhaps most important of all, the genuine intentions that their father had for turning to the Dark Side in the first place.

By the way what's a spice freighter?

BTW A spice freighter would be a big ship that carries spice.

Thanks, I don't mean to sound stupid but what's a "spice"? or is it like spicy food?

[MandalorianJF]

I HATE STAR WARS!!!

And Dmitry sucks

not spamming!

get banned, please... :bop:

[James]

Can someone please ban that dork....?

and yes you are spamming.

[Tovor]

I HATE STAR WARS!!!

And Dmitry sucks

not spamming!
:confused:

[Tovor]

After careful consideration I have determined that my last response was less than to the point. So without further adeu,

[MandalorianJF]

OK people lets get back to the topic, forget him he is just a noob.

[Balnazzar]

Obi-Wan and Luke had this long conversations so I think Obi-Wan told Luke who Shmi was and how she died. He at least must had mentioned her, or maybe Luke asked him,..-She was after all his grandmother.

[MandalorianJF]

Obi-Wan and Luke had this long conversations so I think Obi-Wan told Luke who Shmi was and how she died. He at least must had mentioned her, or maybe Luke asked him,..-She was after all his grandmother.

Why would he mention her? His mission was to make Luke a jedi and to do that he told Luck a lot of BS but why would he say something about Shmi? that would not help.

[thepepgal]

If the gravestone was still standing in ANH then it would have said Shmi Lars since she had married Clegg. Owen and Beru would never had to mention that Shmi was actually Luke's grandmother only needing to tell him that Shmi was his uncle's stepmother.

[Zedekk]

If the gravestone was still standing in ANH then it would have said Shmi Lars since she had married Clegg. Owen and Beru would never had to mention that Shmi was actually Luke's grandmother only needing to tell him that Shmi was his uncle's stepmother.
And since that could be the case I don't think Luke would have been all that curious about the circumstances of her death. And Owen Lars strikes me as the type of person that doesn't give out any information regarding Luke's family, period. "I told you to forget it!" But MJF does bring up a very good point in the fact that Luke does act rather fool-hearty in his "eagerness" to investigate "Sandpeople, or worse." That has always begged the question in my mind... whats worse than a sandperson? Those guys seem plenty scary enough to be the worst things on that planet, aside form a Kryat Dragon that is.

[MandalorianJF]

"Sandpeople, or worse." That has always begged the question in my mind... whats worse than a sandperson? Those guys seem plenty scary enough to be the worst things on that planet, aside form a Kryat Dragon that is.

I was about to ask that question, what is worse. Jabba's gourd don't walk around the planet, and stormtroopers are not there everyday.

[Konig15]

I imagine there are slavers and drug runners on Tatooine. Maybe even the GFFA version of meth labs running around the sticks. But I do think Owen would tell Luke about his grandmother; it's only his father Owen's worried about or Luke would have been raised Luke Lars istead of Luke Skywalker. There's really no need to hide the truth. She was a slave with a kid of unknown paternity, she married a farmer, and she was killed by Sandpeople. What's the harm in that?And I think the prequesl do estblish spice as a narcotic, but Luke makes it clear it's a consumer good readily availible, maybe like a trucker who transports high grade alcohol. In EU territory, spice comes off like a mild version of cocaine; it has legitimate medical uses but it's often abused for pleasure seeking. Still, it's not like meth or anything.

[Fish1941]

Now that the Prequels, specificially Episode II, have changed certain elements of the story, such as Shmi's gravestone being on the Lars' property, you have to change some thinking into realizing that Luke had to have known about Shmi. Assuming of course that her headstone would still be there in ANH, and that a later special edition of ANH will show us the headstone still there in Luke's time. With that said, Luke would have known at least about the gravesite, if not the details of who was buried there. And with that said, he has to have known about Shmi, somehow.


If the Lars had told Luke about Shmi's death, then they would have told him that Anakin had killed the Tusken Raiders. Which meant they would have to reveal that Anakin was a Jedi Knight. They probably lied to Luke about the circumstances surrounding Shmi's death. And it is also possible that her grave could have been moved by the time of ANH.

However, Leia did find out about Shmi in some EU novel. She could have related what she had found out to Luke.

[Mothman]

.....His mission was to make Luke a jedi and to do that he told Luck a lot of BS but why would he say something about Shmi?.....

In my experience, there's no such thing as Luck. :wink:

[Mothman]

.....Maybe even the GFFA version of meth labs running around the sticks.....

You can find them by looking for the aliens with really bad teeth. :wink:

[Darth Massacrus]

that EU novel is Tatooine Ghost. It is very good.

[MandalorianJF]

...His mission was to make Luke a jedi and to do that he told Luck a lot of BS but why would he say something about Shmi?...

In my experience, there's no such thing as Luck. :wink:

Sorry, I misspelled his name, I mean "Luke".

[MandalorianJF]

What is a Tatooine Ghost?

[Zedekk]

If the Lars had told Luke about Shmi's death, then they would have told him that Anakin had killed the Tusken Raiders. Which meant they would have to reveal that Anakin was a Jedi Knight. They probably lied to Luke about the circumstances surrounding Shmi's death. And it is also possible that her grave could have been moved by the time of ANH.

I imagine that the conversation could go like this:
LUKE: "Who's tomb stone is that?
Owen: My stepmothers, Shmi.
LUKE: OH, How did she die?
OWEN: Tuskan Raiders attacked her while she was out picking mushrooms.
LUKE: Oh.
Now in this particular example Owen didn't have to reveal that shmi was even his grandmother let alone if and how the Sand People who attacked her were killed by anyone let alone Luke's father.

[MandalorianJF]

I imagine that the conversation could go like this:
LUKE: "Who's tomb stone is that?
Owen: My stepmothers, Shmi.
LUKE: OH, How did she die?
OWEN: Tuskan Raiders attacked her while she was out picking mushrooms.
LUKE: Oh.
Now in this particular example Owen didn't have to reveal that shmi was even his grandmother let alone if and how the Sand People who attacked her were killed by anyone let alone Luke's father.


but the next question should be: "How did you get her body back?".

[nefertiti]

Owen was a gruff sort of character. I wouldn’t go as far as using the word simple because they (Owen and Beru) are a part of the great conspiracy, but maybe shorter on words. Zedeek – it’s a good suggestion, but to much information. Owen wouldn’t have said much to keep the safety of the subterfuge. And might have even hurt Luke’s feelings rather than give away too much. Kids ask lots of questions and when adults are gruff or angry, kids stop asking.

[Darth Massacrus]

anyone here read Tatooine Ghost?

[MandalorianJF]

anyone here read Tatooine Ghost?

Not me,
What's it about anyways?
Are Shmi or Luke there?

[Darth Massacrus]

you could say that...

[thepepgal]

anyone here read Tatooine Ghost?

Yes, I have. Why?

[Darth Massacrus]

well, the whole book essentially answers the question of this thread...:bye:

[MandalorianJF]

well, the whole book essentially answers the question of this thread...:bye:

So, what exactly does the book say?

[Darth Massacrus]

I dont want to ruin the surprises...

[thepepgal]

well, the whole book essentially answers the question of this thread...:bye:

I wouldn't agree with that. It is more a story about Leia than Luke. There isn't really a discussion of what Luke was told and more about what Shmi was thinking and doing with her life after Anakin left.

[tunneldwellers]

Did Luke know that his grandmother (shmi) was killed by the sand people? Because in ANH when R2 said that there are a couple of creatures approaching Luke when to take a look, it's like he did not realize how dangerous they were.

Of course! I don't even believe you neeeewbs.

[MandalorianJF]

You see I am not planing to read that book any time soon, so can you please tell me what happened there.

[Darth Massacrus]

Well, Han and Leia, recently married, go to Tatooine on a mission to recover an old Alderrainian painting that holds secret encrytion codes of the Alliance/New Rep.

[huttslime]

I HATE STAR WARS!!!

And Dmitry sucks

not spamming!

Nobody banned this guy yet?

[nefertiti]

I wouldn't agree with that. It is more a story about Leia than Luke. There isn't really a discussion of what Luke was told and more about what Shmi was thinking and doing with her life after Anakin left.

Who's telling the story that would know that information?

[Tovor]

well, the whole book essentially answers the question of this thread...:bye:

You see I am not planing to read that book any time soon, so can you please tell me what happened there.

Well, Han and Leia, recently married, go to Tatooine on a mission to recover an old Alderrainian painting that holds secret encrytion codes of the Alliance/New Rep.
The question of the thread was about secret encryption codes of the Alliance/New Republic? I think MandalorianJF wanted to know what the book says about Shmi, and Luke finding out about her. :scratchchin:

[jadeskywalker]

Not trying to play Mod or anything but that is an EU book and holds no merit in these parts. While that is a great point in the EU threads it is simply "bantha fodder" in this one.

In regards to Tov's post about the gravestones I agree, to an extent, but this is all based on one thing. Whether or not the gravestones are added in feature release. Perhaps Owen, out of the best interest of Luke's upbringing and wanting to eliminate any and all questions he may have about his family, removed the gravestones while Luke was still an infant so that he would not grow up to see them and ask questions. Just a thought but one that could reasonably explain, from a cinematic point of view, why there are no gravestones in ANH.

I read somewhere, ( can't remeber ) that Owen had the gravestones removed, so Luke would never find out the the real truth about anakin/darth Vader. So, keeping Shmi a secret he thought would be the best thing for him. IMO.:lol:

[jadeskywalker]

anyone here read Tatooine Ghost?
Yup, have it and a good book, IMO. Couldn't put it down. I wouldn't want to give anything away for the ones who haven't read it.

[Darth Massacrus]

good. Please do not give away spoilers...

[Tovor]

good. Please do not give away spoilers...
Heat and age...always makes milk spoil.



Oh, sorry. :cool:

[MandalorianJF]

good. Please do not give away spoilers...

OH come on
some one
please
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[thepepgal]

Who's telling the story that would know that information?

They found a holo recording which has decayed. But it appears to be a diary that Shmi was keeping. Leia sees parts of messages giving she insight into Shmi's life.

[MandalorianJF]

They found a holo recording which has decayed. But it appears to be a diary that Shmi was keeping. Leia sees parts of messages giving she insight into Shmi's life.

Well in that diary does it really say how she died because after she died she did not get a chance to write how she died in here diary.

[huttslime]

Well in that diary does it really say how she died because after she died she did not get a chance to write how she died in here diary.

pebgal said that it was a holorecording. How would she write a holorecording? It should be record. And I agree.

[thepepgal]

pebgal said that it was a holorecording. How would she write a holorecording? It should be record. And I agree.

I said a diary and they can be kept as a video recording or in this case a holorecording and don't have to be written. I know of people who keep clips explaining important times in their lives. Many people do it to give to their kids to explain what happen while the kids were young.

[Darth Massacrus]

and from there, Leia would have told Luke about thier Grandmother. Leia also finds a holo of Anakin at the Boonta Eve victory, and meets his old friend Wald, Kitster, and some of Beru's and Biggs Darklighters family.

[MandalorianJF]

and from there, Leia would have told Luke about thier Grandmother. Leia also finds a holo of Anakin at the Boonta Eve victory, and meets his old friend Wald, Kitster, and some of Beru's and Biggs Darklighters family.

thanks for the info

[huttslime]

What is the source for all this info?

[thepepgal]

What is the source for all this info?

It all comes out of the book "Tattooine Ghost"

[MandalorianJF]

It all comes out of the book "Tattooine Ghost"

How would you rate that book? 1-10

[thepepgal]

How would you rate that book? 1-10

7 out of 10. it was enjoyable but not "I can't put it down".

[MandalorianJF]

7 out of 10. it was enjoyable but not "I can't put it down".

Can you tell me the percent of your free time that you were waisting on it?

[huttslime]

waisting

Are you sure that you chose the right word? What if the book was not having time wasted on it, but spended on it.

[thepepgal]

Can you tell me the percent of your free time that you were waisting on it?

I never consider time reading as wasted. I always have a book on the go.

As I enjoyed it, I spend about 5 hours on it over two weeks. It takes me alot longer to complete books that I don't enjoy.

If you didn't like it then that is your choice.

[Mothman]

Based on this thread, I got "Tatooine Ghost" from the library this past weekend and went through what I consider the most interesting parts in about 20 minutes. Not to give any plot points away, if you just skim through the italicized portions, you can breeze through this, without "waisting" your time.

:santa:

[Zedekk]

^ Note taken and I shall do the same. I did similar browse reading with the Darth Bane book and read the last few chapters which were the whole crux of the story anyways.

[Mothman]

^ Note taken and I shall do the same. I did similar browse reading with the Darth Bane book and read the last few chapters which were the whole crux of the story anyways.

I'm not an EU person, so this skimming method satisfied my curiosity about the book's storyline that came from this thread.

:santa:

[MandalorianJF]

Are you sure that you chose the right word? What if the book was not having time wasted on it, but spended on it.

Sorry, definitely not the right word.
"Spend" is the right word.

[thepepgal]

I'm not an EU person, so this skimming method satisfied my curiosity about the book's storyline that came from this thread.

:santa:

I'm interested on how you aren't an EU person but you read it anyway. You may not read all of the book but you are reading them. Most people who don't like the EU won't even touch the books.

I enjoy the journey of books even if you may be able to predict where the story is going. I like to imagine the characters going through the scenes. I debate whether I feel their character would do these things and if not what I think they would do.

[Mothman]

I'm interested on how you aren't an EU person but you read it anyway. You may not read all of the book but you are reading them. Most people who don't like the EU won't even touch the books.....

I would like to think of myself as a "movie only" person, but since there aren't going to be any more movies, I will pick up an EU book from time to time. However, I don't necessarily like to read them from cover to cover - I simply don't have the time. I just like to pick out those things that seem to flesh out what was presented in the movies. This book made that easy, since there were certain portions that were always italicized and easy to find. So, I just found and read through those and that satisfied my curiosity about what was referenced in this thread.

Happy Life Day! :santa:

[MandalorianJF]

I would like to think of myself as a "movie only" person, but since there aren't going to be any more movies,

I do/did the same
since there are no more moves, I started to read books.

[huttslime]

^ I read my first star wars book at least 3-4 years ago, I should have been in 6th grade then. That book would have been X-Wing: Isards Revenge.

[thepepgal]

I would like to think of myself as a "movie only" person, but since there aren't going to be any more movies, I will pick up an EU book from time to time. However, I don't necessarily like to read them from cover to cover - I simply don't have the time. I just like to pick out those things that seem to flesh out what was presented in the movies. This book made that easy, since there were certain portions that were always italicized and easy to find. So, I just found and read through those and that satisfied my curiosity about what was referenced in this thread.

Happy Life Day! :santa:

Thanks

So will you watch the tv shows when they come out or will you consider them EU too?

[MandalorianJF]

Thanks

So will you watch the tv shows when they come out or will you consider them EU too?

TV shows? What TV shows are you talking about? Clone Wars?

[MandalorianJF]

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[Cydon]

Here JF:

http://www.galacticsenate.com/showthread.php?t=2846

[thepepgal]

TV shows? What TV shows are you talking about? Clone Wars?

The new animated series being made and the new live action series that GL is writing which is set between 3 & 4.

[DblDwn]

If Lucas does it then it is canon. Therefore, since Lucas is doing the TV show, the TV show is going to be canon.

[MandalorianJF]

If Lucas does it then it is canon. Therefore, since Lucas is doing the TV show, the TV show is going to be canon.

I think I see your point

[thepepgal]

If Lucas does it then it is canon. Therefore, since Lucas is doing the TV show, the TV show is going to be canon.

But will he be writing all 100 episode scripts or only a few? Maybe he is only doing the story arc with other writers taking control of the scripts. I don't see him directing all of the them either but definitely the first will be done by him. If so can all of it still be considered canon?

Remember all of the authorised EU is considered canon by Lucasfilm until it is contradicted by a film.

[DblDwn]

To be fair he didn't write the actual screenplays for either ESB or ROTJ, he just provided the story arc to be used as the basis. With that in mind the TV show, with Lucas directly responsible for the story in one way or another, is as canon as the films.

And the EU is considered a lesser degree of canon by Lucasfilm whether it contradicts the movies or not. Whether Lucasfilm signs off on the EU is moot because Lucas is not directly responsible for the story arc.

[thepepgal]

To be fair he didn't write the actual screenplays for either ESB or ROTJ, he just provided the story arc to be used as the basis. With that in mind the TV show, with Lucas directly responsible for the story in one way or another, is as canon as the films.

And the EU is considered a lesser degree of canon by Lucasfilm whether it contradicts the movies or not. Whether Lucasfilm signs off on the EU is moot because Lucas is not directly responsible for the story arc.

He has actually stopped the deaths of major characters and actually approved when Chewie was finally killed. He was also the one who said that Anakin Solo had to die since it would become too confusing with his grandfather Anakin Skywalker. So the hero storyline was transferred to Jacen Solo.

So he does have some say it what happens to his authorised universe.

[Mothman]

Thanks

So will you watch the tv shows when they come out or will you consider them EU too?

I might -- if they are easily accessible. I'm an old guy who doesn't have cable or satellite or whatever, so unless I can get them on "regular" TV, I won't be going out of my way to see them. (I didn't see the "Clone Wars" cartoons until they were released on DVD - and then, since I am also a cheap guy, I got them from the library).

:bye:

[silverbolt]

He has actually stopped the deaths of major characters and actually approved when Chewie was finally killed. He was also the one who said that Anakin Solo had to die since it would become too confusing with his grandfather Anakin Skywalker. So the hero storyline was transferred to Jacen Solo.

So he does have some say it what happens to his authorised universe.

the EU go through Lucas hence why in some way they are all related and run in relation to each other.

At first Luke did not know of his grandmother, Owen and Beru did not want Luke to know of his jedi heritage. He learned of her later

[thepepgal]

I might -- if they are easily accessible. I'm an old guy who doesn't have cable or satellite or whatever, so unless I can get them on "regular" TV, I won't be going out of my way to see them. (I didn't see the "Clone Wars" cartoons until they were released on DVD - and then, since I am also a cheap guy, I got them from the library).

:bye:

That's weird, here in Australia while they were first shown on paytv, they did appear on free to air about 6 months later. So it was prior to the release of Ep 3 and their release on dvd.

So you wouldn't have even had to take a trip to the library here.

[bluemilk]

I'm going to say that Owen and Beru Lars probably did tell Luke about Shmi "from a certain point of view". Since I don't know the answer I'm going to guess that they told Luke that his grandmother was a slave woman that was "rescued" by Cligg Lars and they married. They probably mentioned that she had a son, obviously, since he knew that he was the nephew to Owen. However they left out all the gritty details like Padme and Anakin being a Jedi (obviously again since we all knew what Luke thought his father did for a living).

I also think what he learned was too vague and/or banal for Luke to have ever sought out more information on his family.

just remember, Luke does know his family name is Skywalker.

[Mothman]

.....just remember, Luke does know his family name is Skywalker.

Maybe they only had a dial-up connection to the HoloNet and Luke was too impatient to find out more about the Skywalker family.

:bye:

[bluemilk]

perhaps :P

[huttslime]

Adding to that, maybe all info on Skywalkers was banned on the Holonet?

[thepepgal]

Adding to that, maybe all info on Skywalkers was banned on the Holonet?

Since the only Skywalker of note was Anakin and the victors write history, it can be presume that him and jedi's involvement in the Clone Wars was played down. Or they were made out to be villans.

Anyone conducting a search on the Holonet about Skywalker would be tracked down by the Empire and interrorgated.

[MandalorianJF]

So I don't get it, what did we dissuade on?
Did Luke know or not?

[Darth Massacrus]

Yes, Luke knew.

[huttslime]

But did luke know about anakin's birth?

[thepepgal]

But did luke know about anakin's birth?

Yes to he was born but no to the conception. He was probably told that they didn't know who was Anakin's father which is true in a way.

[Darth Massacrus]

as for the Anakin's birth part, I'm going to have to reread Tatooine Ghost...

[MandalorianJF]

Yes to he was born but no to the conception. He was probably told that they didn't know who was Anakin's father which is true in a way.

By "they" you mean Owen & Beru?

[thepepgal]

By "they" you mean Owen & Beru?

Yes but remember even Shmi herself didn't know of a father. She tells Qui Gon that there was no father.

[huttslime]

I know an explanation:

In one of Jeff Roney's Tatooine TV episodes annikan asks his mom who his dad was. It's the Blasterpiece Theater one. I can look up the episode number.

website: www.jrdonline.com (http://www.jrdonline.com)

[thepepgal]

I know an explanation:

In one of Jeff Roney's Tatooine TV episodes annikan asks his mom who his dad was. It's the Blasterpiece Theater one. I can look up the episode number.

website: www.jrdonline.com (http://www.jrdonline.com)

But from the films she had no idea.

[MandalorianJF]

By the way how come Luke never wondered who his mother was?

[thepepgal]

By the way how come Luke never wondered who his mother was?

Who said he didn't? If he wanted to know about his father then he would certaintly want to know about his mother. His life growing up has not been covered by the official EU. We know he asked about his father from his comment to Obi Wan about Anakin being a navigator on a spice freighter.

Maybe Obi Wan never told Owen or Beru, who Luke's mother was? Only that Anakin was his father and to hide him from the Empire.

[melissa_ladyvader]

how come anakin never asked padme in episode 3 "are we having a boy...girl....etc?".......

and why would anakin become obsessed with leia.......thats very .uhhh......yeah......im surprised she didnt get pregnant or else han solo would have been mad...........padme 2

[Blizzard]

^Will you please stop with the sick incest obsession with Anakin and Leia!

[melissa_ladyvader]

its not an "incest obsession" i would apperciate YOU stop having the assumptions.........its part of "theory"

just like how people have theories over the OT and the PT


so will you stop getting on my case....and back off please???
and thank you.

[Kam Solusar]

Theories generally have basis, not fetishes.

[Blizzard]

Nope, sorry, I will not stop doing my job here. Thank you.

[melissa_ladyvader]

whatever.i have a right of freedom of speech.....but that doesnt mean im gonna go around and disrespect other board members on the gs

[Kam Solusar]

Freedom of speech doesn't exactly apply to a privately owned message board. Kind of like how it doesn't apply when you're in somebody else's house.

[melissa_ladyvader]

well this isnt a house now is it?

no.........so shhhhhhhhhh

[Kam Solusar]

Fine, don't listen to me. When you're on the outside looking in because you insist on having First Amendment rights in an environment that the Bill of Rights has no jurisdiction over, I'll try and refrain from an "I told you so." But I'm telling you, you don't get freedom of speech privileges on a private message board. You're subject to the rules and regulations of the owner, enforced by his staff. You agree to that when you sign up.

[melissa_ladyvader]

i already know that

im just a pretty girl who is difficult to deal with:leiaxmas:

[lovelucas]

how ya doin' Melissa?

and yes, I do think Luke knew about Shmi - Beru and most definitely Owen had spent years with her. She was family and there really would be no reason not to tell Luke about his grandmother who was clearly loved.

[nefertiti]

Me too...there wasn't any real reason not for him to know who she was. We know that Owen told Luke little to nothing about his parents, but Shmi was available for open topic.

[Rebel Astromech Droid]

Lots of people (especially males) his age feel unstoppable. He could've known and just not have given much thought to the risk, something like that could never happen to him.

[Solo]

I also believe that Luke knew about Shmi, because Shmi was the mother of his uncle, too. Shmi was loved by everyone and during the search to rescue her, people helped her husband. It wouldn't have been possible to hide this from Luke much long, while everyone living nearby knew the truth.

I guess Luke wanted to have a close look at the sand people, because he was young and looking for some excitement. He tried hide and look at them from a distance which shows us that he knew how dangerous sand people could be.

[Mothman]

I also believe that Luke knew about Shmi, because Shmi was the mother of his uncle, too. Shmi was loved by everyone and during the search to rescue her, people helped her husband. It wouldn't have been possible to hide this from Luke much long, while everyone living nearby knew the truth.

I guess Luke wanted to have a close look at the sand people, because he was young and looking for some excitement. He tried hide and look at them from a distance which shows us that he knew how dangerous sand people could be.


I don't think too many people lived nearby.

IMO, I'm sure that this is not Luke's first encounter with the Tuskens. On his travels to Toschi Station or Anchorhead or elsewhere, I'm sure they have been somewhere along his path. As a native of Tattooine (give or take a few days), I'm sure he was raised to look out for and stay away from them.

It's been a long time since I've looked at this thread and I'm not going to take the time to re-read it, so I apologize if the following has already been said. As far as Shmi is concerned, I'm guessing that Luke knew something about her ... unless Owen or Beru took away her grave marker.



:bye:

[Solo]

I don't think too many people lived nearby.

IMO, I'm sure that this is not Luke's first encounter with the Tuskens. On his travels to Toschi Station or Anchorhead or elsewhere, I'm sure they have been somewhere along his path. As a native of Tattooine (give or take a few days), I'm sure he was raised to look out for and stay away from them.

It's been a long time since I've looked at this thread and I'm not going to take the time to re-read it, so I apologize if the following has already been said. As far as Shmi is concerned, I'm guessing that Luke knew something about her ... unless Owen or Beru took away her grave marker.



:bye:


I remember Lars telling Anakin they searched for Shmi after she was taken away by sand people and he continued to search for her even after many people lost their hope. Even there weren't many people living near them, these people were going to the city center and Luke had many friends who were joining the Rebellion, which IMO means they had neighbors or friends.

[Darth Zan Maka]

I also believe that Luke knew about Shmi, because Shmi was the mother of his uncle, too. Shmi was loved by everyone and during the search to rescue her, people helped her husband. It wouldn't have been possible to hide this from Luke much long, while everyone living nearby knew the truth.

I guess Luke wanted to have a close look at the sand people, because he was young and looking for some excitement. He tried hide and look at them from a distance which shows us that he knew how dangerous sand people could be.

Very persuadive - a agree completely, and the post about neighbours too - if dozens locals died during the search the echo would remain in the minds - such things must live long in memory of local society ppl, and truly it would b hard it from Luke.