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Darth Graves
11-19-2006, 10:30 AM
i found this today on yahoo, kinda ironic really... lucky friggin rodents

Red Wine Compound Could Boost Endurance
By Steven Reinberg
HealthDay Reporter Thu Nov 16, 11:48 PM ET


THURSDAY, Nov. 16 (HealthDay News) -- Athletes and non-athletes alike may want to raise a glass to resveratrol, an ingredient in red wine that researchers say doubled the physical endurance of mice in a new study, while protecting them against diabetes and obesity.

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Mice given high doses of the compound were able to run twice as far on treadmills than they normally could, French researchers reported.

Resveratrol might even help the rodents live longer, they say.

"The compound resveratrol, found in the skin of red grapes and cranberries, was known to activate SIRT1, an enzyme known to be involved in lifespan extension," explained lead researcher Dr. Johan Auwerx, from the Institute of Genetics and Molecular and Cellular Biology in Illkirch, France.

These results, published in the Nov. 16 issue of Cell, add to findings from a recent study that showed that resveratrol improved health and lengthened survival of mice placed on a high-calorie diet.

While studies have so far been limited to mice, the French team said they had also found a genetic link to energy expenditure in humans that looks like it might be similarly affected by resveratrol.

"Our study shows that activation of SIRT1 by resveratrol is a very promising and well-tolerated approach to treat common metabolic diseases, such as obesity and type 2 diabetes," Auwerx said.

The study involved obese mice with a condition that mimicked type 2 diabetes.

Auwerx's team found that resveratrol activated the SIRT1 gene, inducing the activity of mitochondria, the tiny energy factories within cells. By activating mitochondria, resveratrol causes the cells to burn more energy than they normally could.

Burning more energy protects against fat accumulation and type 2 diabetes, the research team explained. Increasing mitochondria activity also improves the performance of certain tissues, most especially skeletal muscles.

"That is why we saw a spectacular increase in endurance in the mice, which doubled the distance they run," Auwerx explained.

"We showed this not only in cultured cells and mice, but also, more importantly, the first time in humans, where we linked the SIRT1 gene with energy expenditure," Auwerx said.

Resveratrol or its analogs could prove useful in treating several diseases that are characterized by abnormal mitochondrial activity, Auwerx said. "In the first case, you can think about applications in the treatment of obesity and type 2 diabetes," he said. "Many more diseases could benefit from increased mitochondrial activity, most notably neurodegenerative disorders, such as Parkinson's disease and Huntington's," he added.

This study was paid for by Sirtris Pharmaceuticals, which developed the compound used in the experiments.

But if you think that drinking more wine or taking resveratrol supplements might turn you into a super-athlete, think again, said Sirtris CEO Dr. Christoph Westphal.

"Native resveratrol from red wine or nutraceuticals cannot reach therapeutic levels in man," he said. "You would need to drink hundreds of glasses of red wine or take hundreds of nutraceutical pills in a day to get a therapeutic dose."

According to Westphal, the company has completed two phase 1 studies with 85 human volunteers of an improved formulation of resveratrol which reaches therapeutic levels in man and is safe.

In addition, Sirtris has started giving diabetic patients its resveratrol compound in a 28-day phase 1 trial to test the safety of the drug and to see how it affects glucose levels.
"We are also initiating a phase 1 study in a rare, very severe mitochondrial disorder called MELAS," Westphal said. The condition -- "mitochondrial myopathy, encephalopathy, lactacidosis, stroke" (MELAS) -- is a progressive neurodegenerative disorder.
One expert was cautious about the findings.
"This is an important addition to the body of work that is showing that you can activate anti-aging genetic pathways," said David Sinclair, an associate professor of pathology at Harvard Medical School, and a cofounder of Sirtris.
He called the study an important sep in the development of new drugs to fight heart disease, Alzheimer's and age-relate other woes. "In five years, we should know if the results obtained in mice can be achieved in people," he said.
The compound's usefulness against diabetes remains unproven, Sinclair said. "A mouse is not a human," he said. "It would be amazing if it worked in humans. But we will have to wait and see."
Another expert expressed similar skepticism.
"It's clear that the authors of the Cell paper want to strongly argue that their data show a causal link between activation of SIRT1 and the effects of resveratrol," said Matt Kaeberlein, an assistant professor of pathology at the University of Washington. "While all of their data is consistent with this model, and the data is compelling, there really is no causal evidence that the effects of resveratrol in mice require SIRT1 activation," he said.
Kaeberlein suggested that to really test their theory, the researchers should have experimented with mice that did not have the SIRT1 gene, to see whether these mice would respond to resveratrol when fed a high-fat diet.
"Also, there is abundant evidence that resveratrol acts on proteins other than SIRT1, so it's premature to conclude that everything seen in this paper is due to effects on SIRT1," he said.
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DblDwn
11-19-2006, 10:40 AM
Increasing mitochondria activity also improves the performance of certain tissues, most especially skeletal muscles.

That's perfect for me because I've been trying to find ways to increase my midichlorians in order to boost my likelihood of becoming a Jedi one day. :hehe:

Darth Graves
11-19-2006, 10:43 AM
:rofl: lol, i figure its just an exuse to get drunk

DblDwn
11-19-2006, 11:01 AM
The health benefits of a daily glass of wine have been known for some time. This is the first I've heard of it increasing energy and/or mitochondria. They even say that a glass of beer a day is good for you as well. It's the excessive use, that most of us enjoy partaking in from time to time, that is not healthy because of all the alcohol in the liver.

I usually drink a beer or two when I get home at night and spend one night during my weekend drinking liquor of some kind as a means to unwind after the work week. But I've refrained the last couple of weeks and not had any alcohol of any kind, been drinking a lot of ice water, and I'm actually feeling quite good. Just a side note.

Darth Graves
11-19-2006, 11:05 AM
one such use has always been to do with arthrigtus and i think alzheimers but, :censored:, diabetes! thats something new... ooo i got another to put on here 5 minutes... max

Darth Graves
11-19-2006, 11:12 AM
Scorpion venom: A cure for cancer?

From Lucia Newman, CNN Havana Bureau Chief
Thursday, October 23, 2003 Posted: 7:59 AM EDT (1159 GMT)


HAVANA, Cuba (CNN) -- Niurys Monzon, 28, says she is a living proof that it works.
"I was eleven when I was diagnosed," she said, "and started taking Escozul when I was fifteen."
Her father, Jose Felipe Monzon told CNN that in 1992 her cancer of the pancreas had spread despite two years of chemotherapy, radiation treatment and three operations and that doctors had given up.
In desperation, he turned to a man named Misael Bordier, a biologist from Guantanamo who was experimenting with scorpion venom on cancerous tumors in rats and dogs.
According to Bordier, the test results were astonishing.
"The immune system of the benign cells increases, the malignant cells start dying and the tumors shrink or disappear," he explained.
"We saw how some 85 percent of the rats survived."
Niurys was his first human patient.
She and her father were so grateful they began breeding scorpions -- they now have 3,000 of them -- and under Bordier's direction are distributing the venom at no cost from their home.
Twice a week they dispense hundreds of bottles of the unusual liquid -- a potion made of distilled water mixed with drops of venom from the blue scorpion.
People from all over Cuba and even abroad come to their home, seeking an unorthodox treatment for cancer.
"Doctors gave my father a month to live and said they could do nothing because he had nine brain tumors," said Radel Cortez who came to pick up more of the scorpion poison he believes has prolonged his father's life for the last seven months.
The Monzons says the only problem is a shortage of the raw material for their treatment. There aren't enough little blue scorpions to meet the demand.
Bordier told CNN some 60,000 Cubans have used the Escozul to treat their cancer in just over a decade.
Niurys and Jose Monzon admit they haven't gathered any scientifically controlled data, but say from their experience 80 percent of patients show a marked improvement in quality and duration of life, and of those 25 to 30 percent go into remission.
But Cuba's Oncology Institute is skeptical and says more tests need to be run to determine whether Escozul does indeed work. Cuba's largest laboratory, Labiofam, is already conducting experiments.
In the meantime, people will continue to come here for Escozul, which provides if not a miracle cure, at least a last ray of hope.

Darth Graves
11-19-2006, 11:14 AM
kinda amazing, nature hath provided us with a CURE... now... if they can just find a little pink scorpion for AIDS it will be safe to... nvm...

DblDwn
11-19-2006, 11:17 AM
Off topic but it's my contention that there is so much money to be made in the medical field for the treatment of diseases such as cancer that, from a financial standpoint, it would be nothing short of catastrophic to develop a cure.

Darth Graves
11-19-2006, 11:22 AM
your kidding right. to develop a cure would undoubtably save thousands of lives.
although technicaly if you step back and look at the nature of diseases... well the pattern theyve displayed you might be right.
its kinda like influenza... every time we find a cure it changes and a new cure has to be made(although i never seem to get the flu, and i live in a third world country where i havent taken a flu shot in over 4 years, and make frequent trips to thailand where both me and my dad make a little money off of rooster fights...)

DblDwn
11-19-2006, 11:33 AM
your kidding right. to develop a cure would undoubtably save thousands of lives.

Ironically enough, I'm as serious as cancer.

although technicaly if you step back and look at the nature of diseases... well the pattern theyve displayed you might be right.Fair enough

and make frequent trips to thailand where both me and my dad make a little money off of rooster fightsNever been to a rooster fight although the Little Jerry episode of Seinfeld is a classic. I've been to a C0ck Pull, that's what it's called, on an Indian reservation in New Mexico. That's something you don't see everyday.

kopernikuz
11-19-2006, 08:39 PM
I've been to a C0ck Pull, that's what it's called, on an Indian reservation in New Mexico. That's something you don't see everyday.Not knowing what this is... my first impression is that I wouldn't want to see it every day? Or would I? Help me DblDwn... I'm feeling very uncomfortable here... lol.

As for your comments about the cure... I gotta agree. You might think I'm a staunch conservative following party lines... but I definitely have very ecclectic views and follow my heart... I am a capitalist and agree that people should be allowed to be millionaires if they see fit to earn it... however, I have a real problem with Pharmaceutical companies... it's quite possible, believe it or not, that I will rush out to see Michael Moore's next movie when it comes out as it is about this subject. Unless he spends 2 hours trying to tie all the problems to Bush, lol.

But I truly believe there are possibly cures out there, maybe something as bizarre as this, yes... but they will never see real light until they can "synthesize" whatever it is that is in the scorpion that works. Two reasons:

1) Environmentalists in the U.S. would never stand for the scorpions being exploited in this way, most likely leaving them dead... and since there aren't a lot in Cuba, it's safe to say they're probably worthy of being endangered. Unless it's synthetic, they would greive at this, even though it would save countless human life.

2) Worse than that even, is that you can't "patent" a natural thing. Even if the environmentalists would back down on the issue because of the significant human benefit... pharmaceutical companies (and their lobbyists) would do everything in their power to stop it, either through FDA disqualifications or whatever. Because they can't make big bucks off of it. Yes, I think they would be that callous. I think they've already been.

When I was attending Ohio State, an exhibition came to the Wexner Center there called "The Aids Photographs". Basically this photographer went around the world taking gritty black and white pictures of the impact of Aids. And this was back in the early nineties. One picture showed an aged black man who appeared to be in some Carribean setting holding up a little bottle of something. During question and answer, the photographer was asked the significance of the photo... did the man have AIDS? The photographer explained that the man was a "doctor" in the tiny village... not an AMA doctor of course... but the local healer. The man claimed that the fluid in the bottle he held was a cure for AIDS and he'd been using it on people on the island for some time with success.

Was it true? Well, the photographer explained. People there swore by it, but who knows. In the end, however, it didn't matter, because the fluid was made with all natural ingredients... nothing patentable. Therefore the pharmaceutical companies would not entertain the notion. Criminal.

JediKeri
11-20-2006, 01:57 AM
If something like this had come to my attention when I was younger....who knows...my grandmother might still be alive...

Life sucks...

Sarah-Leia
11-20-2006, 11:33 AM
Aw, that's sad, JediKeri. :(.

Alcohol is not too bad if you don't drink too much too often.

Darth Graves
11-20-2006, 11:57 AM
sorry to hear that JK

Solo
12-27-2007, 11:28 AM
Alcohol is bad. One must control how much she/he drinks very carefully. I never drink and drive. There are people waiting for me at home.

DblDwn
12-27-2007, 01:28 PM
Now that I'm 30 and settled down and have a baby girl and everything I will not drink and drive. Do I condone that action? Absolutely not. Have I ever done it? You betcha. Let's just say that I was extremely lucky through my hard partying years.

Get me home for the night though and I'll have some drinks after the baby goes to bed. Sure. Gotta unwind somehow.

Solo
01-03-2008, 09:28 AM
In my opinion, too much of anything is unhealthy. I mean if you eat too much, that's unhealthy and if you drink too much it is unhealthy. If you are able to control yourself and you can say "That's enough for now.", I do not think you are in danger.

I personally like to have a few drinks with my friends on weekends or on special occasions like birthdays or parties, but like I said above, I never drink and drive.