Empire Symbol In Ep. II?

[Senator Amory]

So far, I think I'm the only one who has spotted the Empire's symbol in Episode II. It was clearly visible on the clone's helmets and space craft while they were on Geonosis. Has anyone else spotted it? If not, pay close attention to them the next time you see the movie.

Jim(Senator Amory of the New Republic)

[DanielSkywalker]

Yeah, I definitely noticed that. The same symbol is on Kenobi's space craft. I think this makes sense, since the clone army will one day be under the control of the empire. Note that Palpatine simply takes the Republic and turns it into a totalitarian EMPIRE.

[BL-17]

Exactly. You'll notice the same transaction with the color of laser bolts. In the new trilogy, the Republic troops' blaster's have green bolts. In the classic trilogy, the Empire has green bolts. I suppose this may be considered insignificant information, but I've always thought it was interesting. It does matter to a certain degree, as far as the story goes.

[Senator Amory]

I don't think that is insignificant information. I think that laser and LightSaber colors have alot to do with the points of the storylines. If you will, notice that all of the Sith from the Old and New Trilogies have all had red lightsabers, and the Jedi have always had either blue or green. Including purple, orange, and pink. Recently added to the aray of LighSaber colors in the Prequels. But I, however, would want a lightsaber with just a pure, plain white blade. That's one color I haven't seen in any SW movie yet. Or, if I'm not felling too happy or just in a grumpy or mad mood, I would also have a second lightsaber with a blade that actually shone black. Not like a BlackLight that glows purple, but a blade that is actually black, but still, somehow, gives off light. Now that would be cool!

[Senator Theant]

Hows it goin Jim . . . . its Jeff, took you long enough, hahahaha . . .

About the whole IMperial symbol thing. . . in my Star Wars Legos collection, I have two sets (the Republican Gunship and the TIE fighter) that are decorated with the symbol with the Republic/Empire. The fact is, they are not the same. The difference is significant but the look stays the same. In short, the symbol on the Republican Gunship appeared less detailed around the edges than the one on the TIE Fighter. The Imperial symbol resembles more closely a hexagon-shaped mechanical gear, with rough edges all around the center design. The Repbulican design featured the same interior symbol, but the edges are rounded and appear as a circle. Again, this is based on my collection of Star Wars Legos so I dont know if its entirely accurate, however, there is no reason to believe why they wouldnt be. Thats what i thnk.

[dubd77]

It was a similar symbol but not the Empire. If look again the one in AOTC had eight points in the design. It is the symbol of the republic. the one in the EP. IV-VI had only six points. If notice GL uses a lot of history in the star wars movies;it is similar to how Hitler change the Hindu, symbol of peace into the Nazi swastika

[Nathan Butler]

Actually, Dubd here is right and wrong at the same time. He's right that it's not the exact Imperial symbol.

But it isn't the official Republic insignia. That's the one featured on the Chancellor's speaking platform in the Senate.

Chang has said that the symbol has a purpose, and stands for something, but we won't know what it is until Episode III.

[Senator Amory]

Nathan,
Are you talking about the symbol on the Chancellor's podium, that looks as if a speeder is flying through it, that we will find out it's meaning of it's apperance? I would really love to find out what it stands for, other than the Old Republic. I guess the symbol on the clones might have been the Old Jedi Order's Symbol. This would make since because the symbol was on Master Kenobi's craft, and the clones were ordered by a Jedi, a master on the Council at that. It kind of resembles the New Jedi Order's symbol, if you use your imagination. The older one resembles the form of a shining sun. The newer one resembles a shining sun as well, but with the New Republic's symbol added to it. I guess to show everyone that the Jedi are back and here to stay. That they won't be pushed around like chess pawns anymore as they were in the waning days of the Old Republic. Does anyone know if the Jedi were even represented in the Senate? I mean, the Trade Federation was, and it wasn't a system. So, I figured that the Jedi Order was also large enough to be represented. The Senate could have used Yoda in their last days. Dont ya' think? Well, I guess I've said enough now.

Jeff,
I was going to come back eventually. It just takes me a while to get used to change. I like it here better anyway.

[Senator Theant]

The symbolism behind the change in designs is very intriguing . . .

It appears as though the circular Old Jedi symbol is replaced by a more mechanical New Order design. While its clear that the Empire hinges on the systematic administration of control through fear, the mechanical aspect is also personified by a breathing, moving machine. Darth Vader is this machine that has replaced the Old Order of Jedis. What is strange is that, as Sen Amory has stated, the interior remains somewhat unchanged. I think this is a reference to the balance that Anakin has restored to the force, by exterminating thousands of Jedis and returning to the few most powerful Jedis in the universe. Thats what I think.

[sifo-dyas]

The "original" Empire symbol appears in AOTC, but not on the clonetroopers...
In the scene where the members of the Confedracy (COIS) meet Count Dooku, look at the pattern of the table.

The Jedi Order are not represented on the Senate. They are simply the guardians of the peace, and are available as a resource to the members of the Senate.

Keep this in mind, when thinking about how epIII will go along with Palpatines words for the "emergency powers".

This a personal opinion, but JarJar is going to be forced into another "gaff" during an emergency sitting of the Senate to eliminate the Jedi due to their incompetence to resolve the "dispute" at Geonasis.
At the end of AOTC we see the COIS flee the planet, followed by the "Army", so the chaos and division is no doubt spreading in the two years, between epII and epIII.
Dooku has done his bit, as the catalyst. Palpatine can now proceed with his subtle changes in the Senate, as the Jedi chase the COIS... the beginning of epIII, the end of the COIS?

[Senator Amory]

Since it is too late for the Old Republic, I think the New Republic should have a spot in the Senate to be for the New Jedi Order. The whole thing that crumbled the Old Republic was the fact that the Senate was going to corruption and greed. And the fact that it was lead by a Sith. Since, more than likely, the New Order will be stronger than the Old, they should be represented in the New Senate so they can state there wise opinions on situations, and so they will be able to "sniff out" any Sith who might spring up out of the blue to try and give rise to a New Empire.

PS: Guys, please post here because I would really like to hear your opinions(and facts) on this matter.

[BEARlyworking]

You may wish to refer to the Visual Encyclopedia for AOTC. If I recall correctly, the symbol is shown on the Jedi Starfighter.

The symbol of the Empire was derived from this much older symbol.

The symbol on the Jedi's craft has eight "spokes," whereas the Empire symbol has only six.

[Darth_Cyberius]

The official site says that The Empire symbol has one less spoke on it than The Republic symbol because Sidious defaces it for his uses. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[Rebel Astromech Droid]

I saw it. :biggrin: I'm so happy! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif

[Senator Amory]

No Rebel Astromech Droid, your supposed to talk in beeps, toots and whistles. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Anyhoo, I know how you feel. I only saw it not too long ago. But I knew what was going to happen, I read the book, so I could turn my attention away from the story line a few times to pay more attention to the hidden details that Lucas usually throws in, very well hidden. *:sigh:

[LordTyranus]

Originally posted by Senator Amory@May 26 2002 - 00:57
I don't think that is insignificant information. I think that laser and LightSaber colors have alot to do with the points of the storylines. If you will, notice that all of the Sith from the Old and New Trilogies have all had red lightsabers, and the Jedi have always had either blue or green. Including purple, orange, and pink. Recently added to the aray of LighSaber colors in the Prequels. But I, however, would want a lightsaber with just a pure, plain white blade. That's one color I haven't seen in any SW movie yet. Or, if I'm not felling too happy or just in a grumpy or mad mood, I would also have a second lightsaber with a blade that actually shone black. Not like a BlackLight that glows purple, but a blade that is actually black, but still, somehow, gives off light. Now that would be cool!
I've always thought a black saber would be awesome, I always thought I was the only one who thought this, perhaps a black beam with a white or dark purple aura.

[Senator Amory]

I see that you're fairly new, so welcome to the Galactic Senate Lord Tyranus! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif

Plus, it's finally good to actually have someone here who has my same kind of taste. A dark purple aura would make it seem more like a blacklight, so I would have to go for the white aura. Or, maybe the aura is white when it is coming from the Lightsaber, but then it starts to turn black as it starts to get further from the Lightsaber. Or one with a red aura. I don't know. A lightsaber like that would be kinda hard to build though. Since every Jedi/Sith has to build their own. :sarcasm:

[James]

The Empire's symbol has 6 spikes, the Republic had 9. The emperor took away 6 for some reason or another.

[BartonX]

Note: This post is a slightly modified version of another post that I just made in the "Something about the Jedi Starfighter..." forum. No, you are not experiencing deja vu.

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On TOS back in March, Doug Chiang answered a question about the symbol on the Jedi Starfighter.

http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/do...jc20020314.html (http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/doug/askjc20020314.html)

At the time, Doug's response puzzled me, but then I figured that it would be explained in AOTC and I forgot about it. Unfortunately, it was never explained in AOTC.

So...this is what I think.

In TPM, the role of the Jedi was that of the defender and the impartial peacekeeper. Qui-Gon even said that they were not there (Naboo) to fight a war. Then in AOTC, the Jedi are no longer impartial. They have unwittingly picked a side in a galactic conflict and their role has changed to that of warrior. Now the Clone Wars are under way, forcing the Jedi to continue in the warrior role. I think this is what brings about there downfall in Episode III. After many Jedi die during the Clone Wars, I believe Palpatine turns on the remaining Jedi and accuses them of war crimes.

Generally, people don't hate peacekeepers. Palpatine knows this. Rather than getting the populace to change their mind, he chooses to take the Jedi out of the role of peacekeeper and put them into the role of warrior (a role that is much easier to hate). And warriors are even easier to hate when they've been accused of atrocities.

I think the symbol on the Jedi Starfighter (and on the clones) is GL's way of showing that the Jedi are no longer impartial. They have picked a side. And that side will eventually transform into the Empire, leaving the Jedi behind as scapegoats.

[DblDwn]

This is obviously reading WAY TOO MUCH into it but, unless I am mistaken, isn't the alarm sound at the beginning of AOTC, when the ship explodes, the same alarm sound heard on the Death Star in ROTJ when everyone is scrambling and Luke drags Vader to the base of the ship's ramp?