Has Anakin Already Turned to the Dark Side?

[Swamprat_Jedi_Knight]

This thought just poped into my head. Has Anakin already turned to the Dark Side? Everone is waiting for "the big turning point" where he dramatically gets turned, but is it possible that he has already made that leap, in a suble way? - like most Sith actions. This theory may have already been dicussed, but I'm new here, so I don't know.

In The Return of the Jedi, the emperor states, "Strike me down... give in to your anger and your journey towards the Dark Side will be complete." (Or something to that effect) Well Luke refused, but I think that it was very apparent that when Anakin's mother died he did not. He struck down an entire village of his mothers murderers, in anger... more of a rage really. According to the Emperors statement that would be enough. Yoda said," Something terrible has happened, young Skywalker is in pain... horrible pain." (Or something like that) While this does not say that he turned, it is possible that this pain might have been Anakin giving in to the Dark Side. However the rest of the movie he seems angry, untill the end where he appears to get married to Amidala. Then he is all smiles. So the end of the movie left me feeling that he had not turn, that his act of rage was to show us how his anger is developing, not that it has boiled to a head...yet. But we all know that Sith are marvelous actors, and are very capable of decieving.
This is just a thought. I don't even agree with it myself, but I just wanted to see if anyone had any comments about it.

[Vyndim]

There is a very lengthy discussion thread about Anakin & Obi-Wan, I would add your ideas there. Try this link:*Anakin and Obi-Wan (http://www.galacticsenate.com/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=141) Of course, Maybe I should leave this to the moderators...But wheres the fun in that? :D

[Queen 'Onna]

No he has turned yet. I do not think he will turn to the dark side untill he kills all the Jedi and gets into the big fight with OB1. :cool:

[JediBendu]

the stirrings are within him - anyone who guts an entire tribe is already on the dark path

[LordTyranus]

I think Anakin has already turned, he gave in to his hate and anger.

[WayoftheGungon]

I agree with LordTyranus. Not to mention Anakin already believes that one person should make others do what he thinks is right. Isn't this the way the Emporer does things. Not to mention we saw in that one scene that he talks to palpy already about things and palpy is egging him on. Seems to me he sealed his fate in this film.

[AlanRJ]

Personally I think that Anakin has come close to crossing over to the dark side but he is not yet there. Luke came to the brink when his anger drove him to slice off his Dad's hand in ROTJ but he did not cross over to the dark side.

[Isomorph]

Lucas has said tha Anakin's turning to the darkside would happen over the course of the three prequels,so he has not gone over yet,even thought he slaughtered a entire tuskin camp its still not to late at this point of the series for him to get help and stop before he does what we know he is going to do,which is go over completely and destroy the jedi order.

[aries]

It is very obvious that Anakin has given into hate... killing the tusken families is a proof of that. I do believe that at that moment he has left the light side of the Force... but, his training is not yet complete... "only 2"... Dooku has to die... only then, Anakin wil be a Sith.

[Jedi Killer]

He'll turn when he has Dooku on the ground begging for mercy and with the emporer behind him saying to finish him off. When Anakin kills Dooku, this will be the turning point.

Then he will be evil and will kill the Jedi with ease

[JediBendu]

"Once you start down the dark side, forever will it dominate your destiny" - yoda, esb

Anakin turned the moment he layed eyes on Padme, it was the feelings for her that made him susceptible to emotional conflict, hence he butched the tuskin's in a fit of rage.

[JediBendu]

^PADME MUST DIE!!!!

[Jedi Killer]

exactly. its the easiest way for him to turn fully evil. be a great dramatic scene if she dies in the movie and then he flips out on all of the Jedi. be so great to watch

[JediBendu]

wot?
Anakin flipping out or Padme getting wasted? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[maddog62]

Originally posted by JediBendu@Jun 22 2003, 01:04 PM
"Once you start down the dark side, forever will it dominate your destiny" - yoda, esb

Anakin turned the moment he layed eyes on Padme, it was the feelings for her that made him susceptible to emotional conflict, hence he butched the tuskin's in a fit of rage.
Once he let his emotions control his bearing he began his journey down the dark path although he he is not at his final destination he did have a layover at the Tuskin camp. There is no turning back but Vader will catch the return flight in Jedi.

[Isomorph]

true he did do some bad stuff by killing those pesky raiders but he still hasn't gone over completly to the darkside there is still a chance that he can redeem himself,from a certain point of view,in ep3 we will see him do thing's early on in the movie that will show that he's like a runaway train heading for a derailment.

[maddog62]

Originally posted by Isomorph@Jun 23 2003, 06:02 PM
true he did do some bad stuff by killing those pesky raiders but he still hasn't gone over completly to the darkside there is still a chance that he can redeem himself,from a certain point of view,in ep3 we will see him do thing's early on in the movie that will show that he's like a runaway train heading for a derailment.
I say once again I believe that what Yoda says about the path to the Darkside is a fact because it hasn't been proven wrong untill Jedi.

[JediBendu]

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I don't think it's proven wrong in roj - is 'dominate your destiny' the same as 'this destiny will be with you, always'?

still, it's Anakin's first meeting with Padme that does it - listen to his language
'I'd much rather dream about Padme. Just being around her again is intoxicating' - anakin, aotc

and

'Don't look at me like that?'
'Like what?'
'Like you want to bonk my pants off!'
'Sorry m'lady'

He then further tries to justify his forbidden desires by a technicality - how could that not be the dark side coming through?

[Isomorph]

yes the darkside is starting to show through,but you also have to realize that he has still not at this point gone completly over,he still has some more things that have to take place or happen to him i.e like the death of his mother and killing the tuskin raiders,not that these were small matters but the fact is is that what ever happens to him in ep3, that will be the straw that breaks the camels back, which in turn cause him to give his self over completly to the darkside, after all the fact that he tells luke in rotj that the name anakin no longer has any meaning to him must imply that what ever happened to him, must have been very very significant to finally push him over the edge and into the darkside.as far as what yoda said I take it with a grain of salt because the darkside didn't dominate anakin forever, in the end he did redeem himself luke showed him the door but anakin had to walk through it so you see I am right from a certain point of view,hehehehe

[JediBendu]

true
Do you think if Yoda and Obi (and Mace) were to take a more active role with Anakin right now that they may prevent his turning? Or is it enevitble irrespective of what the Jedi can do (short of locking him in the broom closet)?

[Isomorph]

Originally posted by JediBendu@Jun 23 2003, 11:09 PM
true
Do you think if Yoda and Obi (and Mace) were to take a more active role with Anakin right now that they may prevent his turning? Or is it enevitble irrespective of what the Jedi can do (short of locking him in the broom closet)?
yes I do believe if they had get to him he could be helped,before he ends up doing the things we know he ends up doing anyway but because of the clone wars the attemps on padme and all he kinda just sliped throught the cracks which in turn has very bad consequences for all involved.not that the broom closet wasn't a bad idea hehehe.

[JediBendu]

that's really my beef with the Jedi - how can you let someone who may be the Chosen One from thousand year old prophecy just 'slip through the cracks'?
complacency? self assuredness?

arrogance more like it.

[Isomorph]

Originally posted by JediBendu@Jun 23 2003, 11:23 PM
that's really my beef with the Jedi - how can you let someone who may be the Chosen One from thousand year old prophecy just 'slip through the cracks'?
complacency? self assuredness?

arrogance more like it.
a bit of both after all yoda did say that the younger and and older jedi were to self assured,so in my book that include being arrogant as well in the end the jedi killed themselfs off palpy just lent a helping hand ironic isn't it.

[Soontir Solo]

I think the Jedi Council made a huge mistake in allowing Obi-Wan to be Anakins master. The Chosen One should be trained only by the very best Jedi (Yoda or Mace), not an apprentice just turned Knight. I think Yoda would have taught him better, been more aware of Anakin's feelings, and just overall would have given Anakin more insight into the force. Obi-Wan was a great Jedi Knight, but not a very good teacher, luckily Yoda did most of Luke's training.

[aries]

"When I first knew him, your father was
already a great pilot. But I was amazed how
strongly the Force was with him. I took it
upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I
thought that I could instruct him just as
well as Yoda. I was wrong. My pride has
had terrible consequences for the galaxy."
Obi Wan in ROTJ

Clarifying... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[maddog62]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Jun 26 2003, 10:55 AM
I think the Jedi Council made a huge mistake in allowing Obi-Wan to be Anakins master. The Chosen One should be trained only by the very best Jedi (Yoda or Mace), not an apprentice just turned Knight. I think Yoda would have taught him better, been more aware of Anakin's feelings, and just overall would have given Anakin more insight into the force. Obi-Wan was a great Jedi Knight, but not a very good teacher, luckily Yoda did most of Luke's training.
It was Anakins Destiny to turn.

[JediBendu]

^ but which way - to the dark or back to the light?

[Frendon]

Originally posted by aries@Jun 26 2003, 10:33 AM
My pride has
had terrible consequences for the galaxy."
Obi Wan in ROTJ

Clarifying... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif
I don't recall that line in ROTJ? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif

[3rdgenerationfett]

i think you can have flings with the Dark side, and not go totally dark. thats what anakin did with those pesky tuskens. if you believe in the EU then you see it happen there some more. but pretty soon those flings anakin has with evil will turn it into a full blown marriage, and end in a nasty divorce at the end of ROTJ.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Frendon+Jun 26 2003, 10:09 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Frendon @ Jun 26 2003, 10:09 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-aries@Jun 26 2003, 10:33 AM
My pride has
had terrible consequences for the galaxy."
Obi Wan in ROTJ

Clarifying... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif
I don't recall that line in ROTJ? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif [/b][/quote]
Script/novel/cut scene... should have been in the movie, IMHO, but there was alot of stuff cut from that scene that had to do with Episode 3, probably why it was cut.

[Mad Hermit]

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Jun 26 2003, 05:55 AM
I think the Jedi Council made a huge mistake in allowing Obi-Wan to be Anakins master. The Chosen One should be trained only by the very best Jedi (Yoda or Mace), not an apprentice just turned Knight.
I couldn't agree with you more...however I think the lineage of these certain jedi (yoda trains dooku, dooku trains qui gon, qui gon trains obi-wan, obi-wan trains anikan) will play an important part in ep. 3. We see Yoda, the greatest jedi of all has previously trained a jedi who turned to the darkside...so how safe would anikan have been with him? Yoda trains a jedi that turns...that jedi trains the jedi who finds the chosen one...the jedi that finds the chosen one trains the jedi who trains the chosen one, etc... I don't think it matters who trained Anikan. It was the will of the force that the phrophecy be fullfilled...we just didn't know exactly the chain of events that would be carried out to fullfill the phrophecy. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

[Raganork8]

answereing topic title...
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[aries]

indeed... the quote is from the scripts...